Re: Intermittent invisible NSWindow
FWIW, I think I've noticed that similar issues with Aquamacs. Sometimes I can see it in Expose but when I try to select it, it disappears. It may be an issue with multiple desktops or an external display. If you think it will help, I'll see if I can reproduce what the exact situation is. Dave > On Nov 18, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Unfortunately, it appears that it's 100% predictable---it fails on a M1 > chipped computer and works on an Intel chipped computer (or an > M1 running the software through Rosetta). > >> I can say it has been true in the past, even if it is no longer the >> case. It is not something I test with each OS release. I certainly can >> move a window almost entirely offscreen-enough to not notice it at >> least. Also, your suggestion that the window may have an invalid size >> could also be the case, additionally revealed by logging the window >> frame. I have seen some auto layout wonkiness that forces too-small >> frame, though not enough to make it disappear. >> >> Keary Suska >> Esoteritech, Inc. >> "Demystifying technology for your home or business" >> >> >> >>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, but is that true? I've tried forcing the window off screen >>> with setFrame: and it still shows up (generally pinned to the top of >>> the visible frame) even though the [NSWindow frame] returns the >>> "off-screen" location that I programmed in. The only way I have >>> found to make the window "invisible" is to give it a non-positive >>> size, and then pulling it off the window menu still won't show it. >>> Have you logged the window coordinates? It might be placed fully offscreen, and that would produce the behavior you are seeing. Keary Suska Esoteritech, Inc. "Demystifying technology for your home or business" > On Nov 13, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > I'm having a problem with an application where a small percentage > of users have one particular NSWindow type which doesn't show even > though it goes through a makeKeyAndOrderFront. It's on the window > list and will open if they do a tile, cascade or window switch > operation, but doesn't come up initially. I can't reproduce this > on any of my computers running three different flavors of MacOS > (including Big Sur and Monterey). What should I be looking for > that might cause this behavior. > > Best regards, > > Tom Doan > --- > 2717 Harrison St > Evanston, IL 60201 > USA > > > ___ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the > list. Contact the moderators at > cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cocoa-dev%40esot > er itech.com > > This email sent to cocoa-...@esoteritech.com >>> >>> >>> --- >>> 2717 Harrison St >>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>> USA >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> >>> Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. >>> Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com >>> >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cocoa-dev%40esoter >>> itech.com >>> >>> This email sent to cocoa-...@esoteritech.com >> > > > --- > 2717 Harrison St > Evanston, IL 60201 > USA > > > ___ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/davelist%40mac.com > > This email sent to davel...@mac.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Intermittent invisible NSWindow
Unfortunately, it appears that it's 100% predictable---it fails on a M1 chipped computer and works on an Intel chipped computer (or an M1 running the software through Rosetta). > I can say it has been true in the past, even if it is no longer the > case. It is not something I test with each OS release. I certainly can > move a window almost entirely offscreen-enough to not notice it at > least. Also, your suggestion that the window may have an invalid size > could also be the case, additionally revealed by logging the window > frame. I have seen some auto layout wonkiness that forces too-small > frame, though not enough to make it disappear. > > Keary Suska > Esoteritech, Inc. > "Demystifying technology for your home or business" > > > > > On Nov 15, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev > > wrote: > > > > Thanks, but is that true? I've tried forcing the window off screen > > with setFrame: and it still shows up (generally pinned to the top of > > the visible frame) even though the [NSWindow frame] returns the > > "off-screen" location that I programmed in. The only way I have > > found to make the window "invisible" is to give it a non-positive > > size, and then pulling it off the window menu still won't show it. > > > >> Have you logged the window coordinates? It might be placed fully > >> offscreen, and that would produce the behavior you are seeing. > >> > >> Keary Suska > >> Esoteritech, Inc. > >> "Demystifying technology for your home or business" > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 13, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm having a problem with an application where a small percentage > >>> of users have one particular NSWindow type which doesn't show even > >>> though it goes through a makeKeyAndOrderFront. It's on the window > >>> list and will open if they do a tile, cascade or window switch > >>> operation, but doesn't come up initially. I can't reproduce this > >>> on any of my computers running three different flavors of MacOS > >>> (including Big Sur and Monterey). What should I be looking for > >>> that might cause this behavior. > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Tom Doan > >>> --- > >>> 2717 Harrison St > >>> Evanston, IL 60201 > >>> USA > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> > >>> Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > >>> > >>> Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the > >>> list. Contact the moderators at > >>> cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > >>> > >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cocoa-dev%40esot > >>> er itech.com > >>> > >>> This email sent to cocoa-...@esoteritech.com > >> > > > > > > --- > > 2717 Harrison St > > Evanston, IL 60201 > > USA > > > > > > ___ > > > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cocoa-dev%40esoter > > itech.com > > > > This email sent to cocoa-...@esoteritech.com > --- 2717 Harrison St Evanston, IL 60201 USA ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Intermittent invisible NSWindow
I can say it has been true in the past, even if it is no longer the case. It is not something I test with each OS release. I certainly can move a window almost entirely offscreen—enough to not notice it at least. Also, your suggestion that the window may have an invalid size could also be the case, additionally revealed by logging the window frame. I have seen some auto layout wonkiness that forces too-small frame, though not enough to make it disappear. Keary Suska Esoteritech, Inc. "Demystifying technology for your home or business” > On Nov 15, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Thanks, but is that true? I've tried forcing the window off screen with > setFrame: and it still shows up (generally pinned to the top of the > visible frame) even though the [NSWindow frame] returns the > "off-screen" location that I programmed in. The only way I have > found to make the window "invisible" is to give it a non-positive size, > and then pulling it off the window menu still won't show it. > >> Have you logged the window coordinates? It might be placed fully >> offscreen, and that would produce the behavior you are seeing. >> >> Keary Suska >> Esoteritech, Inc. >> "Demystifying technology for your home or business" >> >> >> >>> On Nov 13, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev >>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm having a problem with an application where a small percentage of >>> users have one particular NSWindow type which doesn't show even >>> though it goes through a makeKeyAndOrderFront. It's on the window >>> list and will open if they do a tile, cascade or window switch >>> operation, but doesn't come up initially. I can't reproduce this on >>> any of my computers running three different flavors of MacOS >>> (including Big Sur and Monterey). What should I be looking for that >>> might cause this behavior. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Tom Doan >>> --- >>> 2717 Harrison St >>> Evanston, IL 60201 >>> USA >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> >>> Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. >>> Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com >>> >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cocoa-dev%40esoter >>> itech.com >>> >>> This email sent to cocoa-...@esoteritech.com >> > > > --- > 2717 Harrison St > Evanston, IL 60201 > USA > > > ___ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cocoa-dev%40esoteritech.com > > This email sent to cocoa-...@esoteritech.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Intermittent invisible NSWindow
Thanks, but is that true? I've tried forcing the window off screen with setFrame: and it still shows up (generally pinned to the top of the visible frame) even though the [NSWindow frame] returns the "off-screen" location that I programmed in. The only way I have found to make the window "invisible" is to give it a non-positive size, and then pulling it off the window menu still won't show it. > Have you logged the window coordinates? It might be placed fully > offscreen, and that would produce the behavior you are seeing. > > Keary Suska > Esoteritech, Inc. > "Demystifying technology for your home or business" > > > > > On Nov 13, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev > > wrote: > > > > I'm having a problem with an application where a small percentage of > > users have one particular NSWindow type which doesn't show even > > though it goes through a makeKeyAndOrderFront. It's on the window > > list and will open if they do a tile, cascade or window switch > > operation, but doesn't come up initially. I can't reproduce this on > > any of my computers running three different flavors of MacOS > > (including Big Sur and Monterey). What should I be looking for that > > might cause this behavior. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Tom Doan > > --- > > 2717 Harrison St > > Evanston, IL 60201 > > USA > > > > > > ___ > > > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cocoa-dev%40esoter > > itech.com > > > > This email sent to cocoa-...@esoteritech.com > --- 2717 Harrison St Evanston, IL 60201 USA ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Intermittent invisible NSWindow
Have you logged the window coordinates? It might be placed fully offscreen, and that would produce the behavior you are seeing. Keary Suska Esoteritech, Inc. "Demystifying technology for your home or business” > On Nov 13, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > I'm having a problem with an application where a small percentage > of users have one particular NSWindow type which doesn't show > even though it goes through a makeKeyAndOrderFront. It's on the > window list and will open if they do a tile, cascade or window switch > operation, but doesn't come up initially. I can't reproduce this on any > of my computers running three different flavors of MacOS (including > Big Sur and Monterey). What should I be looking for that might > cause this behavior. > > Best regards, > > Tom Doan > --- > 2717 Harrison St > Evanston, IL 60201 > USA > > > ___ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cocoa-dev%40esoteritech.com > > This email sent to cocoa-...@esoteritech.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Intermittent invisible NSWindow
I'm having a problem with an application where a small percentage of users have one particular NSWindow type which doesn't show even though it goes through a makeKeyAndOrderFront. It's on the window list and will open if they do a tile, cascade or window switch operation, but doesn't come up initially. I can't reproduce this on any of my computers running three different flavors of MacOS (including Big Sur and Monterey). What should I be looking for that might cause this behavior. Best regards, Tom Doan --- 2717 Harrison St Evanston, IL 60201 USA ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
