Thanks, but is that true? I've tried forcing the window off screen with 
setFrame: and it still shows up (generally pinned to the top of the 
visible frame) even though the [NSWindow frame] returns the 
"off-screen" location that I programmed in. The only way I have 
found to make the window "invisible" is to give it a non-positive size, 
and then pulling it off the window menu still won't show it.

> Have you logged the window coordinates? It might be placed fully
> offscreen, and that would produce the behavior you are seeing.
> 
> Keary Suska
> Esoteritech, Inc.
> "Demystifying technology for your home or business"
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> 
> > On Nov 13, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev
> > <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I'm having a problem with an application where a small percentage of
> > users have one particular NSWindow type which doesn't show even
> > though it goes through a makeKeyAndOrderFront. It's on the window
> > list and will open if they do a tile, cascade or window switch
> > operation, but doesn't come up initially. I can't reproduce this on
> > any of my computers running three different flavors of MacOS
> > (including Big Sur and Monterey). What should I be looking for that
> > might cause this behavior.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > Tom Doan
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