Re: [CODE4LIB] Next-generation policy for WorldCat records—open for community review
Does anyone know: Is there a what is a WorldCat record section? I can't find it. Does the original cataloger concept still apply, or has that gone away? Tim
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ed Summers wrote: Details about the mailing list are there. Planning's going on and anyone who's interested in giving a talk should drop a note and add themselves on the wiki page. Kind of bummed that you had to create a new mailing list, but whatever I guess ... Okay. I guess I'm guilty of this as well since I too created a group to discuss the possibilities of a Code4Lib Midwest meeting. Personally, and as of the present time, I do not mind if there are discussions about regional events on the global list, but I sort of felt as if it might heard as noise by others in Europe, Asia, or even the South in the United States. Despite all of its use, email is a weird medium for many types of communication. Through email it is really difficult to get the sense of what a group of people may be thinking. I think that is why we vote. -- Eric Morgan
Re: [CODE4LIB] Sub-mailing lists
For whatever little it may be worth, I'm finding that the (to me) noise on this list is greatly outweighing the signal at the moment, because of all the regional stuff. I'd welcome a splitting of the list. On 8 April 2010 13:28, Ranti Junus ranti.ju...@gmail.com wrote: I have no preference whether the planning discussions for regional meetings would be conducted on code4lib or code4lib-[regional]. If the regional group decides to have their own list, I do appreciate the occasional shout-outs about it on the code4lib. Moreover, discussions for regionals that are located in a country where official language is not English, it would probably easier for those groups to have their own list. thanks, ranti. -- Bulk mail. Postage paid.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
FWIW, I totally agree with the two Eds. It's interesting to see what a regional code4lib group up to even if I can't be part of it. And it inspires similar activities from other regional groups. / Daniel -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Edward M. Corrado Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:21 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues I guess I'm with Ed with this. These fractured lists don't help get input from a wider range of people and even if I wouldn't go to c4lPluto I'd still like to know about it. Is hitting a delete button that big of deal anymore? If so, I don't see the point of signing up for email discussion lists - or at least if you do and volume is an issue, modern email clients have filters or free email accounts that can br used specifically for email lists can be created. Butaybe that's just me and edsu. Edward Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2010, at 10:53 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: So far there are just three people with ideas for talks (me, Walter Lewis, Art Rhyno). Have the other local chapters found it works well to have more time for informal stuff, or lightning talks, or Ask Anything like I see NYC is doing? Sometimes with a smaller group people don't talk so much, but sometimes they do. The thing that bums me out is that this discussion list was largely created because there were all these discussions going on in niches like xml4lib, web4lib, perl4lib, php4lib, oss4lib, etc ... and not enough conversation about computing and libraries and cross-fertilization between projects/environments. Now we're seeing the code4lib discussion list itself fragment into code4libmdc, code4lib-north, code4libnyc, code4lib-northwest, etc. I guess an argument could be made that the conversations going on in this sublists would overwhelm code4lib proper with all sorts of local noise. But I think ideally we should have crossed that bridge when we came to it. I think if folks on code4lib saw what was going on in different locales it would inspire people to do stuff where they are too. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. It keeps the conversations in a central place initiallty created to faciliate face to face meetings. /dev -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Ed Summers Sent: Wed 4/7/2010 10:53 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: So far there are just three people with ideas for talks (me, Walter Lewis, Art Rhyno). Have the other local chapters found it works well to have more time for informal stuff, or lightning talks, or Ask Anything like I see NYC is doing? Sometimes with a smaller group people don't talk so much, but sometimes they do. The thing that bums me out is that this discussion list was largely created because there were all these discussions going on in niches like xml4lib, web4lib, perl4lib, php4lib, oss4lib, etc ... and not enough conversation about computing and libraries and cross-fertilization between projects/environments. Now we're seeing the code4lib discussion list itself fragment into code4libmdc, code4lib-north, code4libnyc, code4lib-northwest, etc. I guess an argument could be made that the conversations going on in this sublists would overwhelm code4lib proper with all sorts of local noise. But I think ideally we should have crossed that bridge when we came to it. I think if folks on code4lib saw what was going on in different locales it would inspire people to do stuff where they are too. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu wrote: I sort of felt as if it might heard as noise by others in Europe, Asia, or even the South in the United States. As one from the South in the United States, I don't mind the extra noise of (non-regional to me) Code4Lib local groups planning, chatting, etc. Kevin
Re: [CODE4LIB] Next-generation policy for WorldCat records?open for community review
Quoting Tim Spalding t...@librarything.com: Does anyone know: Is there a what is a WorldCat record section? I can't find it. Does the original cataloger concept still apply, or has that gone away? Tim Tim, I asked this of one of the authors, and he said he'd take it back to the group. I think there does need to be a definition. (Also note that if you looked at the document yesterday morning, it had changed by the afternoon -- there had been a couple of missing paragraphs... so take another look.) My question about WorldCat records has to do with whole v. parts -- I can understand that a full MARC record, with holdings, downloaded from WC could be considered a WC record. After that, there is a lot of distance between the full MARC and, say, a citation with an author, title, publisher and date. Where is the line drawn? When does it cease to be a WC record and become just another chunk of bibliographic data floating around cyberspace? kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 1-510-435-8234 end_of_the_skype_highlighting skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Sub-mailing lists
*Red Letter Day!* :-) I agree with Mike. Ralph -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Taylor Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:33 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Sub-mailing lists For whatever little it may be worth, I'm finding that the (to me) noise on this list is greatly outweighing the signal at the moment, because of all the regional stuff. I'd welcome a splitting of the list. On 8 April 2010 13:28, Ranti Junus ranti.ju...@gmail.com wrote: I have no preference whether the planning discussions for regional meetings would be conducted on code4lib or code4lib-[regional]. If the regional group decides to have their own list, I do appreciate the occasional shout-outs about it on the code4lib. Moreover, discussions for regionals that are located in a country where official language is not English, it would probably easier for those groups to have their own list. thanks, ranti. -- Bulk mail. Postage paid.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Next-generation policy for WorldCat records?open for community review
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: My question about WorldCat records has to do with whole v. parts -- I can understand that a full MARC record, with holdings, downloaded from WC could be considered a WC record. After that, there is a lot of distance between the full MARC and, say, a citation with an author, title, publisher and date. Where is the line drawn? When does it cease to be a WC record and become just another chunk of bibliographic data floating around cyberspace? This reminds of when dewey.info released RDF data under a Creative Commons No Derivative Works license, which doesn't really make sense to me. Data (as opposed to literary texts or music, for example) is always going to be manipulated for processing or display. It seemed to me that in order to ingest and use the data in any way (for example, in a web interface) you have to use a derivative, unless you are simply re-displaying the original data verbatim. But I don't think many users would want to look at raw RDF/XML. Keith
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. this! --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Smith,Devon [smit...@oclc.org] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:35 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. It keeps the conversations in a central place initiallty created to faciliate face to face meetings. /dev -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Ed Summers Sent: Wed 4/7/2010 10:53 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: So far there are just three people with ideas for talks (me, Walter Lewis, Art Rhyno). Have the other local chapters found it works well to have more time for informal stuff, or lightning talks, or Ask Anything like I see NYC is doing? Sometimes with a smaller group people don't talk so much, but sometimes they do. The thing that bums me out is that this discussion list was largely created because there were all these discussions going on in niches like xml4lib, web4lib, perl4lib, php4lib, oss4lib, etc ... and not enough conversation about computing and libraries and cross-fertilization between projects/environments. Now we're seeing the code4lib discussion list itself fragment into code4libmdc, code4lib-north, code4libnyc, code4lib-northwest, etc. I guess an argument could be made that the conversations going on in this sublists would overwhelm code4lib proper with all sorts of local noise. But I think ideally we should have crossed that bridge when we came to it. I think if folks on code4lib saw what was going on in different locales it would inspire people to do stuff where they are too. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
On 8 April 2010, Walker, David quoted: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. That list is for organizing the main conference, with details about getting rooms, food, shuttle buses, hotel booking agents, who can MC Thursday afternoon, etc. Mixing that with organizational details *and* general discussion about all local chapter meetings would confuse everything, I think. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
[CODE4LIB] Running a repository on Debian Stable
Folks, I want to run a simple repository on a Debian Stable box -- something that lets me and other authorized people upload PDFs and create and edit metadata describing them, and that lets anyone search the archive and download the PDFs. In short, I want something like DSpace or EPrints, although I don't need anything like the full power of those packages. Most of all, I want something that I can install from the standard operating system packages, using apt-get. (I am not looking to invest time in becoming an expert in the archive system, and don't want to mess about installing from source.) I was surprised to find that there seems to be no package for DSpace, EPrints, Fedora, or any of the other half-dozen names that I tried. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks!
Re: [CODE4LIB] Running a repository on Debian Stable
On 4/8/2010 11:14, Mike Taylor wrote: I want to run a simple repository on a Debian Stable box -- something that lets me and other authorized people upload PDFs and create and edit metadata describing them, and that lets anyone search the archive and download the PDFs. In short, I want something like DSpace or EPrints, although I don't need anything like the full power of those packages. Most of all, I want something that I can install from the standard operating system packages, using apt-get. (I am not looking to invest time in becoming an expert in the archive system, and don't want to mess about installing from source.) I was surprised to find that there seems to be no package for DSpace, EPrints, Fedora, or any of the other half-dozen names that I tried. Hi Mike, http://wiki.eprints.org/w/Installing_EPrints_3_via_apt_(Debian/Ubuntu) http://www.fedora-commons.org/confluence/display/FCKB/Prepackaging+Fedora+Commons+2.2.1+for+Debian+Etch http://www.fedora-commons.org/confluence/display/FCKB/Fedora+Commons+3+on+Debian+Etch # not sure if this is like from source http://www.fedora-commons.org/confluence/dosearchsite.action?queryString=debian -- Yitzchak Schaffer Systems Manager Touro College Libraries 33 West 23rd Street New York, NY 10010 Tel (212) 463-0400 x5230 Fax (212) 627-3197 Email yitzchak.schaf...@tourolib.org Access Problems? Contact systems.libr...@touro.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Running a repository on Debian Stable
Mike Taylor writes I was surprised to find that there seems to be no package for DSpace, EPrints, http://wiki.eprints.org/w/Installing_EPrints_3_via_apt_%28Debian/Ubuntu%29 Fedora, The problem there, as I understand it is that Fedora expects everything to be in one directory. This setup in inimical to the Debian setup. Most of all, I want something that I can install from the standard operating system packages, using apt-get. I suggest you use aptitude instead. It has superior dependency resolution. Cheers, Thomas Krichelhttp://openlib.org/home/krichel http://authorclaim.org/profile/pkr1 skype: thomaskrichel
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
I'm not on that conference list, so don't really know how much traffic it gets. But it seems to me that, since these regional conferences are mostly being held at different times of the year from the main conference, the overlap would be minimal. Or not. I don't know. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of William Denton [...@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On 8 April 2010, Walker, David quoted: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. That list is for organizing the main conference, with details about getting rooms, food, shuttle buses, hotel booking agents, who can MC Thursday afternoon, etc. Mixing that with organizational details *and* general discussion about all local chapter meetings would confuse everything, I think. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Running a repository on Debian Stable
On 4/8/10 11:14 AM, Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com wrote: I want to run a simple repository on a Debian Stable box -- something that lets me and other authorized people upload PDFs and create and edit metadata describing them, and that lets anyone search the archive and download the PDFs. In short, I want something like DSpace or EPrints, although I don't need anything like the full power of those packages. Most of all, I want something that I can install from the standard operating system packages, using apt-get. (I am not looking to invest time in becoming an expert in the archive system, and don't want to mess about installing from source.) I was surprised to find that there seems to be no package for DSpace, EPrints, Fedora, or any of the other half-dozen names that I tried. Does anyone have any recommendations? Mike, What about TKL. I believe those guys at Index Data had a package and the searching should be pretty easy for you to set up. ;-) --Brian
Re: [CODE4LIB] ILS short list
Hi Anna, SirsiDynix Symphony (formerly Unicorn) provides API access to bibliographic and item-level data. Cheers, Tim Tim McGeary Team Leader, Library Technology Lehigh University 610-758-4998 tim.mcge...@lehigh.edu timmcge...@gmail.com GTalk/Yahoo/Skype: timmcgeary Anna Headley wrote: I am looking to find or create a shortlist of ILSes, open or proprietary, that provide API access to bibliographic and item-level data. I am really only looking for ILSes that are used by academic libraries. Do you know of any resources that might be helpful? I started with Marshall Breeding's 2009 Perceptions report, but it doesn't include much information about a given ILS. Or, do you use such an ILS in your library? So far my list is: Evergreen Thank you!! Anna
Re: [CODE4LIB] ILS short list
It would probably be worth putting your findings on the code4lib wiki if you end up getting very far. I had started a list awhile ago but never got around to getting more info/completing it. Here's what I have so far based on talking with people. The information may be out of date: Evergreen and Koha both have database access and various API's. Not sure on the hosted liblime koha. Voyager *Export Built in. Can export Marc with bib, holdings and authorities records, though marc is often mangled (from person i talked to). *Database Access Built in. Uses Oracle and also provides entity-relationship diagrams and some pre-build views to help in development. Believe the oracle license is also included in the base price. Access is read-only. *API's and Web Services Built in. z39 access, however with SQL access you could likely build the API you need. Unicorn * Export Built in. MARC21 or flat file formats. Unicode support is available as an extra. * Database Access Mixed. No access to the embedded Informix database by default; API training is necessary for read-only access. Oracle is an extra option, but that only gives you a read-only license. For write access, you need a full Oracle license. SQL schema is supplied if you purchase API training. * API's and Web Services Mixed. Z39.50 is offered (not sure if it's an extra). API access is an extra - basically you pay for docs of Unix-like commands and the ability to pay for API support if you screw up. API training also gives you some access to the client/server wire protocol so you can roll your own. No Web services. Utterly unusable XML API (it basically wraps the wire protocol with no abstraction). Innovative * Export Built In. Can dump Marc or CSV files of specific field data * Database Access Extra. There is a Oracle option with an additional cost with the default being a proprietary database without access. From what I've heard the Oracle tables are not documented overly well. There also appears to be mysql used for some data as well. *API's and Web Services Extra. Z39 is offered as a product. There used to be an XML server but this appears to have been discontinued. There appears to be more web services in the works though they also appear to be additional products. XRecord is built in but doesn't easily allow access to attached items given a bib eby Anna Headley wrote: I am looking to find or create a shortlist of ILSes, open or proprietary, that provide API access to bibliographic and item-level data. I am really only looking for ILSes that are used by academic libraries. Do you know of any resources that might be helpful? I started with Marshall Breeding's 2009 Perceptions report, but it doesn't include much information about a given ILS. Or, do you use such an ILS in your library? So far my list is: Evergreen Thank you!! Anna
Re: [CODE4LIB] ILS short list
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Ryan Eby ryan...@gmail.com wrote: Unicorn * Export Built in. MARC21 or flat file formats. Unicode support is available as an extra. ...as an extra??? This is the saddest thing I've ready all day. -- Bill Dueber Library Systems Programmer University of Michigan Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] ILS short list
Voyager, as of 7.0, does now have Bib and item level data through api access. http://voyager.tcs.tulane.edu:7014/vxws/GetHoldingsService?bibId=1840071 On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Ryan Eby ryan...@gmail.com wrote: It would probably be worth putting your findings on the code4lib wiki if you end up getting very far. I had started a list awhile ago but never got around to getting more info/completing it. Here's what I have so far based on talking with people. The information may be out of date: Evergreen and Koha both have database access and various API's. Not sure on the hosted liblime koha. Voyager *Export Built in. Can export Marc with bib, holdings and authorities records, though marc is often mangled (from person i talked to). *Database Access Built in. Uses Oracle and also provides entity-relationship diagrams and some pre-build views to help in development. Believe the oracle license is also included in the base price. Access is read-only. *API's and Web Services Built in. z39 access, however with SQL access you could likely build the API you need. Unicorn * Export Built in. MARC21 or flat file formats. Unicode support is available as an extra. * Database Access Mixed. No access to the embedded Informix database by default; API training is necessary for read-only access. Oracle is an extra option, but that only gives you a read-only license. For write access, you need a full Oracle license. SQL schema is supplied if you purchase API training. * API's and Web Services Mixed. Z39.50 is offered (not sure if it's an extra). API access is an extra - basically you pay for docs of Unix-like commands and the ability to pay for API support if you screw up. API training also gives you some access to the client/server wire protocol so you can roll your own. No Web services. Utterly unusable XML API (it basically wraps the wire protocol with no abstraction). Innovative * Export Built In. Can dump Marc or CSV files of specific field data * Database Access Extra. There is a Oracle option with an additional cost with the default being a proprietary database without access. From what I've heard the Oracle tables are not documented overly well. There also appears to be mysql used for some data as well. *API's and Web Services Extra. Z39 is offered as a product. There used to be an XML server but this appears to have been discontinued. There appears to be more web services in the works though they also appear to be additional products. XRecord is built in but doesn't easily allow access to attached items given a bib eby Anna Headley wrote: I am looking to find or create a shortlist of ILSes, open or proprietary, that provide API access to bibliographic and item-level data. I am really only looking for ILSes that are used by academic libraries. Do you know of any resources that might be helpful? I started with Marshall Breeding's 2009 Perceptions report, but it doesn't include much information about a given ILS. Or, do you use such an ILS in your library? So far my list is: Evergreen Thank you!! Anna
Re: [CODE4LIB] ILS short list
Ed, Eric, Bill, please confirm) to my knowledge ALEPH had API to BIB, AUTH, HOLD, ITEM since version 16+ Ya’aqov On 4/8/10 2:47 PM, Bill Dueber b...@dueber.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Ryan Eby ryan...@gmail.com wrote: Unicorn * Export Built in. MARC21 or flat file formats. Unicode support is available as an extra. ...as an extra??? This is the saddest thing I've ready all day.
Re: [CODE4LIB] ILS short list
I should add that as of 2009 release III now has a My Millennium api product that gives access to the user info. Fines and other api available as product for previous version. http://www.iii.com/products/patron_web_services.shtml The rest of the info I got in 2007 from asking in #code4lib. I guess I should be happy that things have improved in just a few years. eby On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Ziso, Ya'aqov z...@rowan.edu wrote: Ed, Eric, Bill, please confirm) to my knowledge ALEPH had API to BIB, AUTH, HOLD, ITEM since version 16+ Ya’aqov On 4/8/10 2:47 PM, Bill Dueber b...@dueber.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Ryan Eby ryan...@gmail.com wrote: Unicorn * Export Built in. MARC21 or flat file formats. Unicode support is available as an extra. ...as an extra??? This is the saddest thing I've ready all day.
Re: [CODE4LIB] marc OSS coding efforts
Hi, On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Naomi Dushay ndus...@stanford.edu wrote: Bess Sadler put together a wiki page on the marc OSS efforts: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Working_with_MaRC Please add other relevant projects! As an experiment of either cross-pollination or random glomping, I've created a feed of commit messages and release announcements from the MARC processing projects listed on the wiki page, or rather, the ones for which I could readily find a change feed that could be consumed by Yahoo Pipes. The page for the aggregator is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/gmcharlt/marctoolchanges The link for the RSS feed itself is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=f13c2ebc06904437450eb6d5ed5f9931_render=rss Please drop me a line if you want your project's commit and/or release announcement feeds added and can supply an Atom or RSS feed. Regards, Galen -- Galen Charlton gmcha...@gmail.com
