Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon
On Monday 27 September 2004 06:02, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > you really don't seem to understand. *stephen* wasn't on the distribution > list, and yet you checked with him. I have refrained from "attacking people" in this list, but there is a limit on how much lies I will tolerate. Mr Coar, please check your facts before implying yet more untrue statements in this and other matters. It doesn't suit you to be caught in FUD spreading and carrying untruth to your fellow developers here at the ASF. IMHO, you have broken not only "unspoken principals of the ASF" (which you are accusing me of), but what is normally called "human decency" and one of the foundations of most societies; "Thou Shall NOT LIE". I don't know your motives behind this action, and hope it is only a matter of "over-excited to prove me wrong" and/or "ignorance to check up your statements". This is so sad. IMHO, an apology is in order, not to me, but to those who have placed their trust and confidence in you to a person of integrity and respectability to represent them in this organization. Cheers Niclas -- +--//---+ / http://www.bali.ac/ / http://niclas.hedhman.org / +--//---+ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > *stephen* wasn't on the distribution list, and yet you > > checked with him. Actually, if we're talking about Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stephen was on the distribution list. > I have refrained from "attacking people" in this list, but > there is a limit on how much lies I will tolerate. Just correct him if he made a mistake. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon
On Monday 27 September 2004 12:00, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Just correct him if he made a mistake. So when he carries untruth that would have been very easy for him to check, that validates "just correct him", and when I make the disclosure of what I believe to be ASF-wide public information, the flamefest and attacks are appropriate ?? Cheers Niclas -- +--//---+ / http://www.bali.ac/ / http://niclas.hedhman.org / +--//---+ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Hi Community! http://www.apache.org/~sgala/nightmap.html I remember this fantastic effort of the "Apache Community" --- Apache Community Worldwide --- However, unfortunately it appears that this map has not been updated since the end of July, 2003. When I became a committer in apache (last year), I was very attracted by and interested in such community efforts created by so many people in apache.org. --- Apache Community Worldwide --- is sure to be one of the greatest derivatives of this Apache Community. You can see the "day and night" activities from various countries in the world. I wish this (ACW) to come to life again. Need help? Cheers, -- Tetsuya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > --- Apache Community Worldwide --- However, unfortunately > it appears that this map has not been updated since > the end of July, 2003. Actually - not quite true. The MAP updates; (or at least it should) the HTML does not. Note that it is only regenerated 2 times an hour for the shadows and clouds - once every 3 hours for committer locations and once a day for the list of committer URLs. Note that recently we also added: http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotions&VERSION=1.1.0&layers=rawworld,rawday,comloc&width=600&height=300&request=getMap&format=png&bbox=-180,-90,180,90 which gives you a near real time cloudmask. And yes - you can see the huricanes quite clearly - with a few of the commiter loc's awfully close ! Dw. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
I'm afraid the commiter locations are not updated, at least I don't see mine :( Regards Carlos Sanchez A Coruña, Spain http://www.jroller.com/page/carlossg/Weblog Oness Project http://oness.sourceforge.net > -Original Message- > From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:57 AM > To: community@apache.org > Subject: Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again > > > > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > > --- Apache Community Worldwide --- However, unfortunately > it appears > > that this map has not been updated since the end of July, 2003. > > Actually - not quite true. The MAP updates; (or at least it > should) the HTML does not. Note that it is only regenerated 2 > times an hour for the shadows and clouds - once every 3 hours > for committer locations and once a day for the list of committer URLs. > > Note that recently we also added: > > > http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotions&VERSION=1.1.0&l ayers=rawworld,rawday,comloc&width=600&height=300> &request=getMap&format=png&bbox=-180,-90,180,90 > > which gives you a near real time cloudmask. And yes - you can > see the huricanes quite clearly - with a few of the commiter > loc's awfully close ! > > Dw. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For > additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Carlos Sanchez wrote: > I'm afraid the commiter locations are not updated, at least I don't see mine This is not you ? http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotions&VERSION=1.1.0&y&layers=rawworld,comloc&width=600&height=300&request=getMap&format=png&bbox=0,40,-15,45 Dw. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Hi, Yes I am, I didn't see it in the full map. I suppose http://www.apache.org/~sgala/nightmap.html won't be updated anymore. Any way to get the map at http://wms.asemantics.com with links? > -Original Message- > From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:15 AM > To: community@apache.org > Subject: RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again > > > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Carlos Sanchez wrote: > > > I'm afraid the commiter locations are not updated, at least I don't > > see mine > > This is not you ? > > > http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotions&VERSION=1.1.0&y &layers=rawworld,comloc&width=600&height=300&request=getMap&format=png&bbox= 0,40,-15,45 > > Dw. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For > additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Carlos Sanchez wrote:
> Any way to get the map at http://wms.asemantics.com with links?
> > http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotions&VERSION=1.1.0&y
> &layers=rawworld,comloc&width=600&height=300&request=getMap&format=png&bbox=
> 0,40,-15,45
I guess we should make a page;' the options for layers are
rawall2520 rawbluemask rawclouds rawday rawdeepblue rawetopo5 rawgg
rawmap
rawnight rawnl rawpol rawsw rawveg rawworld rawxerox
Options for styles are emotions, icbm, bluedot, dot, scope, labels, no
lables, etc..
So you can just put it into any HTML. Below is a small bit of perl you can
run to zoom in or out.
Dw
#!/usr/bin/perl
my ($x,$y,$dx,$dy)=();
my ($x0,$y0,$x1,$y1)=(-180,-90,180,90);
my $W=460,$H=230;
my $f=0.5; #Zoom factor
my $F=0.25; #Zoom factor
my @bg=("rawbluemask","rawetopo5","rawworld");
my @_bg=("mask","dem","map");
my @s=('bluedot','','emotions','dot');
my @_s=('disk','marker','lightbulb','dot');
my $online = 1;
my $dset = 'asemantics';
my $layer = 'offices';
my $host = 'http://demo.asemantics.com/wms/'.$dset.'/';
my $root = '';
if ($ENV{HTTP_HOST} =~ m/\.local/) {
$dset = 'polyers';
$layer = 'polyrdf';
$host='/demo/wms-real/'.$dset.'/' ;
$root='/demo/';
@bg=("rawbluemask","rawveg","rawpol");
@_bg=("mask","vegetation","political");
# $online = 0;
};
($x0,$y0,$x1,$y1)=($1,$2,$3,$4)
if $ENV{PATH_INFO} =~
m/([\d\+\-.]+),([\d\+\-.]+),([\d\+\-.]+),([\d\+\-.]+)/;
my $bg = 0;
$bg = $1
if $ENV{PATH_INFO} =~ m/bg=(\d+)/;
my $s = 0;
$s = $1
if $ENV{PATH_INFO} =~ m/s=(\d+)/;
if ($ENV{QUERY_STRING} =~ m/(-?\d+),(-?\d+)/) {
($x,$y)=($1,$2);
# Work out where the click roughly was
my $rx = $x / $W;
my $ry = $y / $H;
# On negatives - zoom out.
if ($x<0 && $y<0) {
$dy = ($y1-$y0)/$f;
$x = $W/2;
$y = $H/2;
}
# Pan if near an edge
elsif (($rx<0.15 || $rx > 0.85 || $ry<0.15 || $ry > 0.85)) {
$dy = ($y1-$y0);
$w='pan';
# Zoom in very quickly if near the center
} elsif ($rx> 0.45 && $rx < 0.55 && $ry>0.45 && $ry < 0.55) {
$dy = ($y1-$y0)*$F;
$w='Zoom';
# Otherwise Zoom in slower.
} else {
$dy = ($y1-$y0)*$f;
$w='zoom';
};
$dx = $dy * 2; # ($x1-$x0)*$f;
$y=$H-$y;
$x=$x0+ $x*($x1-$x0)/$W;
$y=$y0+ $y*($y1-$y0)/$H;
$x0 = $x - $dx/2;
$x0 = -180 if $x0 < -180;
$x1 = $x0 + $dx;
if ($x1>180) {
$x1 = 180;
$x0 = $x1 - $dx;
};
$y0 = $y - $dy/2;
$y0 = -90 if $y0 < -90;
$y1 = $y0 + $dy;
if ($y1>90) {
$y1 = 90;
$y0 = $y1 - $dy;
};
} else {
$w = '';
}
if (($y1-$y0 < 10) and ($online)) {
push @bg,'mapblast';
push @_bg,'mapblast';
}
my $cc="%0.2f";
$cc="%0.3f" if ($y1-$y0)<0.1;
$cc="%0.4f" if ($y1-$y0)<0.01;
$cc="%0.8f" if ($y1-$y0)<0.001;
foreach($x,$y,$x0,$y0,$x1,$y1) { $_=sprintf("$cc",$_); };
my $sn=$s[ $s ];
my $bgn=$bg[ $bg ];
my $bbox="$x0,$y0,$x1,$y1";
my $c='';
$c=" - - Last click at [$x,$y]" if $x != 0 || $y != 0;
print <<"EOM";
Content-type: text/html
- this is the web :: just click -
Shown: [$bbox] $c
Controls::
EOM
if ($bbox ne '-180.00,-90.00,180.00,90.00') {
print <<"EOM";
reset
|
zoomout
|
EOM
} else {
print "reset | zoomout |";
};
foreach(0 .. $#bg) {
if ($_ == $bg) {
print "$_bg[$_]";
} else {
print "$_bg[$_] ";
};
print " ";
};
print "|";
foreach(0 .. $#s) {
if ($_ == $s) {
print "$_s[$_]";
} else {
print "$_s[$_]";
};
print " ";
};
print <<"EOM";
|
http://www.asemantics.com/showcase/show.html";>done
You propably want to download a real client
like http://www.mancke-software.de/wmsClient/";>this java
wmsClient
so that you can experiment with
different layers, styles and overlays.
© 2003 - Asemantics S.R.L. - contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EOM
# map { print "$_$ENV{$_}"; } keys %ENV;
# printf("R1=%f R2=%f\n",$W/$H, ($x1-$x0)/($y1-$y0));
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Board Minutes
Not related to any current discussion, just a simple nudge. Unless there is a good reason to hold our cards close, could someone with access to Board minutes take some time to update: http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- i think the point that's missing is "how do new committers (or old ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?" - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQVfm7JrNPMCpn3XdAQF14gQAr4JQ27g9detIRVy5KKeIIrTi6x6SP2Hq oueMZ+Hmy8g2PFmNwqtLr31lvOxeenhiSLeiyY4QAokaywPmG6T/ApvlYzi9jqcG zDJnD+cmfAM+25mrxsRTlDJnv6HuAv2e877yFVgl0u/rAc+PF9ILUzwi8YZl/QSY fJhisgXrx3I= =DjZT -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Hi, On 27 Sep 2004, at 11:09, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: i think the point that's missing is "how do new committers (or old ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?" See the FAQ in committers/krell/ CVS dir. HTH, Andrew. -- Andrew Savory, Managing Director, Luminas Limited Tel: +44 (0)870 741 6658 Fax: +44 (0)700 598 1135 Web: http://www.luminas.co.uk/ Orixo alliance: http://www.orixo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Hi, These are the step by step instructions: - Checkout the committers CVS module. - Read /committers/krell/README and /committers/krell/FAQ - Add your url to /committers/urls.txt An excerpt from the FAQ: Q1: I want to get on the map! A1: Do this: 1. Get a web page you can edit (public/private your choice). 2. Put your lat/long on that page (probably in the header) like so: 3. Add the url of that page to ../urls.txt 4. Wait till somebody in the know regenerates the map, or figure out how to get into the know. Regards Carlos Sanchez A Coruña, Spain http://www.jroller.com/page/carlossg/Weblog Oness Project http://oness.sourceforge.net > -Original Message- > From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 12:10 PM > To: community@apache.org > Subject: Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > i think the point that's missing is "how do new committers > (or old ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?" > - -- > #ken P-)} > > Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ > Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ > > "Millennium hand and shrimp!" > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iQCVAwUBQVfm7JrNPMCpn3XdAQF14gQAr4JQ27g9detIRVy5KKeIIrTi6x6SP2Hq > oueMZ+Hmy8g2PFmNwqtLr31lvOxeenhiSLeiyY4QAokaywPmG6T/ApvlYzi9jqcG > zDJnD+cmfAM+25mrxsRTlDJnv6HuAv2e877yFVgl0u/rAc+PF9ILUzwi8YZl/QSY > fJhisgXrx3I= > =DjZT > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For > additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
> From: Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Apache Community Worldwide -- again > i think the point that's missing is "how do new committers (or old > ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?" Smart point. Well, what would you say to using [EMAIL PROTECTED] address (list)? I am afraid that some new committers (and old ones who have not been guided properly) would not know the existence of "committers" module ... etc. etc. The matter is worse, there are many who do not know this list! This is a chance to evangelize them. :) I will do the volunteer of notification if needed (and if there's no one else to volunteer) P.S. "ICBM howto" is in committers/krell/FAQ .. IIRC. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International (Independent) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > I have refrained from "attacking people" in this list, but there is a limit > on > how much lies I will tolerate. entirely appropriate. > Mr Coar, please check your facts before implying yet more untrue statements > in > this and other matters. It doesn't suit you to be caught in FUD spreading and > carrying untruth to your fellow developers here at the ASF. the only untrue statement that i am aware of having made is that stephen was omitted from the distribution list. and i became aware of my mistake this morning. yes, indeed, stephen *was* on the distribution, and i gladly withdraw the statements i made which were predicated on my mistaken assumption, and apologise to you and anyone else who unfairly suffered therefrom. (fwiw, i didn't see stephen's name (and others) on the distribution because they were hidden behind a twisty in my mailer. that does not excuse my failure to check my 'facts' more carefully, and i freely admit to being indisputably wrong in my falsely-premised remarks and guilty of negligence by not checking more carefully.) if you are referring to some other thing you feel i am lying about, please let me know. > I don't know your motives behind this action, and hope it is only a matter of > "over-excited to prove me wrong" and/or "ignorance to check up your > statements". most definitely the latter. > This is so sad. IMHO, an apology is in order, not to me, but to those who > have > placed their trust and confidence in you to a person of integrity and > respectability to represent them in this organization. freely and gladly made. thank you for calling me to account, and giving me this opportunity to make it. - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQVgNY5rNPMCpn3XdAQF9tQQAp4ocgXuU11l6QTfIoMGyrQoFDxQnvwbp R/Ipk7bTewGIBVzyo/iSwD9D70fOjbyZvcTyEl96li+N3ZeZEH7W7vcO/VBdwWlI ZZr6/9GsGw7rSJp3ZW0UdRsvKm4vjlcc9zJcVVvRHrj+k2myysflXM8LlEVFEBOS iKUK5aw5vc0= =apXT -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [resending, with modifications, due to screwed up cc list the first time] Stephen McConnell wrote: > > I find this discussion and the usage of terms such as "severe lack of > respect" to be out of place and largely disproportionate with the real > topic, substance and events. all right. i disagree, however, at least with the 'out of place' aspect. > I received an email from the Chairman (with a specific note that that > the message was issue by the Chairman in that capacity). indeed, on rechecking i see that i was working from a false premise. a couple of the addressees were hidden behind my mailer's twisty; yours was one of them. i was mistaken about you having been omitted from the original message, and i withdraw those remarks and humbly apologise for the statements and insinuations i made. > Following receipt of the "official" notification from the Board > concerning the Metro Project submission - I contacted Niclas as part of > our normal process of coordination. I expressed some opinions and > concerns to Niclas on the subject of the notification - including the > subject of the reservations and the strongly implied implications or > those reservations. A particular concern that I raised was the absence > of any supporting justification or explanation for the "reservation" > that was for all intensive purposes an explicit and directed exclusion > of my participation in the oversight of a project to which I am > committed, engaged and actively contributing. i don't intend to get into the 'bring me a rock' scenario concerning who said what when to justify whichever. all the information is available in the archives. i imagine either sam or brian will post relevant pointers. if they don't, perhaps i will. notwithstanding, there *are* documented incidents leading to the reservation. > What is in question is the openness of the Apache Software Foundation > and that question is of interest to every committer at Apache. > > It is my opinion the Niclas posted his initial comments to the list > simply as a "heads-up" to each and every committer here that something > happened recently that simply was not right. that opinion may or may not reflect actual fact. let us assume for the moment that it does. 'was not right' is also a matter of opinion. what is not a matter of opinion, but is rather a matter of fact, is that niclas quoted a private message in a public forum without consulting the author. attempting to raise awareness by defining a hypothetical case, or even an actual case with the specifics removed, would have been much more acceptable, although there is a slippery slope. quoting a private message without permission isn't acceptable at all. > Will the actions taken by Niclas in defending the principals of openness > and community within the ASF simply lead to another statement of > "serious reservation" concerning his role and potential contribution? possibly, in terms of roles involving representation or social responsibility. this sequence *should* have no effect on opinions concerning his technical ability and contributions. people are people, however. i am dismayed that the private message was exposed the way it was. i am much more concerned that the individual involved apparently doesn't see the action as incorrect. if i felt comfortable that it *did* understand why it was inappropriate, i personally would be glad to regard the incident as a one-time mistake arising from misunderstanding or cultural differences, and most of my concern would evaporate. >> i do not intend to 'fuel the flames,' but neither do i intend to let >> anyone get away unchallenged with assertions or implications about our >> organization that are patently untrue. > > Please consider this message as my direct and immediate challenge. to what, specifically? to my admitted-above patently-untrue assertion that you weren't on the initial distribution? done. something else? - -- #kenP-|} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQVgWB5rNPMCpn3XdAQG63gP/SCHtepJtn6LtUt7P1Nm82sHe6hO3VnLp HffQNqE4vO9/j71YY4euIMzz3jGGS4F/hubzP/2iv4nsSt8h4ky0yKCO4kN2IKAo p478HYhRAnYq3x1MpHGJrBsl6CvptDKpSNIAp59TwWQM3CXq8Eqz22zFnvErQILB T9pWbDnQSt4= =V5tI -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
On Sep 27, 2004, at 3:58 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: i think the point that's missing is "how do new committers (or old ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?" Smart point. Well, what would you say to using [EMAIL PROTECTED] address (list)? You can't just do that without the committer's consent. They'd have to supply their coordinates somewhere and not everyone may want to divulge where they are located. For instance, I consciously avoid putting the coordinates of my house in the ICBM. I used to have my office in there, but now that I work out of my home office I moved the ICBM coordinates to the back deck of Sam's Anchor Cafe. I love the map though. It is a very cool thing. S. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.temme.net/sander/ PGP FP: 51B4 8727 466A 0BC3 69F4 B7B8 B2BE BC40 1529 24AF smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon
> -Original Message- > From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 27 September 2004 15:31 > To: community@apache.org > Cc: 'Apache Board' > Subject: Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > [resending, with modifications, due to screwed up cc list the first time] > > Stephen McConnell wrote: > > > > I find this discussion and the usage of terms such as "severe lack of > > respect" to be out of place and largely disproportionate with the real > > topic, substance and events. > > all right. i disagree, however, at least with the 'out of place' aspect. > > > I received an email from the Chairman (with a specific note that that > > the message was issue by the Chairman in that capacity). > > indeed, on rechecking i see that i was working from a false premise. a > couple of the addressees were hidden behind my mailer's twisty; yours > was one of them. i was mistaken about you having been omitted from > the original message, and i withdraw those remarks and humbly apologise > for the statements and insinuations i made. > > > Following receipt of the "official" notification from the Board > > concerning the Metro Project submission - I contacted Niclas as part of > > our normal process of coordination. I expressed some opinions and > > concerns to Niclas on the subject of the notification - including the > > subject of the reservations and the strongly implied implications or > > those reservations. A particular concern that I raised was the absence > > of any supporting justification or explanation for the "reservation" > > that was for all intensive purposes an explicit and directed exclusion > > of my participation in the oversight of a project to which I am > > committed, engaged and actively contributing. > > i don't intend to get into the 'bring me a rock' scenario concerning > who said what when to justify whichever. all the information is > available in the archives. i imagine either sam or brian will post > relevant pointers. if they don't, perhaps i will. notwithstanding, > there *are* documented incidents leading to the reservation. Thanks - this addresses the center of my concern and I would like you know that I appreciate any actions from yourself, sam, or brian on this subject. > > What is in question is the openness of the Apache Software Foundation > > and that question is of interest to every committer at Apache. > > > > It is my opinion the Niclas posted his initial comments to the list > > simply as a "heads-up" to each and every committer here that something > > happened recently that simply was not right. > > that opinion may or may not reflect actual fact. let us assume for the > moment that it does. 'was not right' is also a matter of opinion. what > is not a matter of opinion, but is rather a matter of fact, is that niclas > quoted a private message in a public forum without consulting the author. > attempting to raise awareness by defining a hypothetical case, or even an > actual case with the specifics removed, would have been much more > acceptable, > although there is a slippery slope. quoting a private message without > permission isn't acceptable at all. > > > Will the actions taken by Niclas in defending the principals of openness > > and community within the ASF simply lead to another statement of > > "serious reservation" concerning his role and potential contribution? > > possibly, in terms of roles involving representation or social > responsibility. > this sequence *should* have no effect on opinions concerning his technical > ability and contributions. people are people, however. > > i am dismayed that the private message was exposed the way it was. i am > much more concerned that the individual involved apparently doesn't see > the action as incorrect. if i felt comfortable that it *did* understand > why it was inappropriate, i personally would be glad to regard the > incident as a one-time mistake arising from misunderstanding or cultural > differences, and most of my concern would evaporate. > > >> i do not intend to 'fuel the flames,' but neither do i intend to let > >> anyone get away unchallenged with assertions or implications about our > >> organization that are patently untrue. > > > > Please consider this message as my direct and immediate challenge. > > to what, specifically? to my admitted-above patently-untrue assertion > that > you weren't on the initial distribution? Yes. > done. Great. > something else? Yep - just wanted to say thank you and that you reply was very much appreciated in terms of both substance and style. Stephen. > - -- > #ken P-|} - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Sander Temme wrote: > On Sep 27, 2004, at 3:58 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > >>> i think the point that's missing is "how do new committers (or old >>> ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?" >> >> Smart point. Well, what would you say to using [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> address (list)? > > You can't just do that without the committer's consent. They'd have to > supply their coordinates somewhere and not everyone may want to divulge > where they are located. i *think* tetsuya meant, 'how about sending mail to the committers@ list letting them know about the map and how to get on it?' rather than 'let's use information we have about committers to just plop them on the map.' :-) - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQVg5LJrNPMCpn3XdAQEhuwQAuflxYsixeOg9MlSOcXyxCDZpXhg/0we4 0rO2jWIK/BvX8X1tjgSo+NNhY7OZ7HDG+nb+7pvb6YGfSC386EAVOsOXStuwOvTY QBSs8pUz0VIBeh0J7H7rCWspygdXLqGYoBqlb91c7wDFWaZE72A073a6GwgG9jCj I1FKpGRrHMU= =Bilz -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
On Sep 27, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: You can't just do that without the committer's consent. They'd have to supply their coordinates somewhere and not everyone may want to divulge where they are located. i *think* tetsuya meant, 'how about sending mail to the committers@ list letting them know about the map and how to get on it?' rather than 'let's use information we have about committers to just plop them on the map.' That might get some additional people on the map. Would it be a good idea to have the world map feature prominently on the apache.org site? That would illustrate the fact that we're a global community and be good PR. S. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.temme.net/sander/ PGP FP: 51B4 8727 466A 0BC3 69F4 B7B8 B2BE BC40 1529 24AF smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
I think the most interesting fact is link the map dots with each person web page, so you can have an idea of what people are closer to you and improve community relationship. > -Original Message- > From: Sander Temme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:36 PM > To: community@apache.org > Subject: Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again > > > On Sep 27, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > > >> You can't just do that without the committer's consent. > They'd have > >> to supply their coordinates somewhere and not everyone may want to > >> divulge where they are located. > > > > i *think* tetsuya meant, 'how about sending mail to the committers@ > > list letting them know about the map and how to get on it?' rather > > than 'let's use information we have about committers to > just plop them > > on the map.' > > That might get some additional people on the map. Would it be > a good idea to have the world map feature prominently on the > apache.org site? > That would illustrate the fact that we're a global community > and be good PR. > > S. > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.temme.net/sander/ > PGP FP: 51B4 8727 466A 0BC3 69F4 B7B8 B2BE BC40 1529 24AF > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Carlos Sanchez wrote: > I think the most interesting fact is link the map dots with each person web > page, so you can have an idea of what people are closer to you and improve > community relationship. If you take those URL's and change the image format to RDF or to CSV of CVSPLAIN (comma separated value) you can get the data out to get yourself an image map which can be put directly into the HTML (i.e. with an shtml or something or a crontab) rather than getting a GIF image. DW - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Sander Temme wrote: > > That might get some additional people on the map. Would it be a good > idea to have the world map feature prominently on the apache.org site? > That would illustrate the fact that we're a global community and be > good PR. +1 - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQVhE7JrNPMCpn3XdAQHK8QQAs+XVo/mTnB/F/ZElQWhVY8hR42tP4WU5 WL6eJMoZ8U003J0RJrLg1FYhfe29wvvpyF591lyFVRbH1AShX73zEu5VKoHVyHGn TjrzqlyQpU+ZIlb5S8W/rU7pbWdqovZLB4mi+6Km0Iu42kjgAdcG7KMC5OTXAZw7 qh0vA2fjjQc= =vagY -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon
On Monday 27 September 2004 21:30, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > i am dismayed that the private message was exposed the way it was. i am > much more concerned that the individual involved apparently doesn't see > the action as incorrect. if i felt comfortable that it *did* understand > why it was inappropriate, i personally would be glad to regard the incident > as a one-time mistake arising from misunderstanding or cultural > differences, and most of my concern would evaporate. You and the rest of the community have my sincere apology for revealing content that I was unaware of had a confidential nature, as I knew the readership was already fairly large and that there existed no indication in the message about the confidentiality in the matter. I still maintain my _opinion_ that more transparency would be appreciated. I am equally dismayed as Ken is, that a flamefest took place, where other issues were brought in to the picture. Whether I fuelled those flames or not, I am not sure. I really tried not to, and refrained from answering many accusations based on that it would not lead anywhere, and only make the situation worse. Those are IMHO still just accusations. Cheers Niclas P.S. I prefer not to be called "it" :o) -- +--//---+ / http://www.bali.ac/ / http://niclas.hedhman.org / +--//---+ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Sander Temme wrote: > You can't just do that without the committer's consent. > I consciously avoid putting the coordinates of my house > in the ICBM. Same here. IIRC, I put in the approximate geographic center of the municipality. --- Noel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Carlos Sanchez dijo: > I'm afraid the commiter locations are not updated, at least I don't see > mine > :( You already created your ICBM page? Best Regards, Antonio Gallardo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Antonio Gallardo dijo: > Carlos Sanchez dijo: >> I'm afraid the commiter locations are not updated, at least I don't see >> mine >> :( > > You already created your ICBM page? Sorry, I needed to read the others mails, before answering. :-( Sorry again for the noise ;-) Best Regards, Antonio Galardo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: From: Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Apache Community Worldwide -- again i think the point that's missing is "how do new committers (or old ones who haven't yet) get their coordinates onto the map?" Smart point. Well, what would you say to using [EMAIL PROTECTED] address (list)? I am afraid that some new committers (and old ones who have not been guided properly) would not know the existence of "committers" module ... etc. etc. The matter is worse, there are many who do not know this list! This is a chance to evangelize them. :) I will do the volunteer of notification if needed (and if there's no one else to volunteer) P.S. "ICBM howto" is in committers/krell/FAQ .. IIRC. I know from experience that it took a while for me to become aware of the existence of so many "semi-private" lists/resources. E.g., [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], committers module, planetapache.org, etc. I think it would be good to announce these again. Perhaps an automatic "welcome new committer" email would be best to bring awareness of these things to future new committers without bothering old committers. -- Dave Brondsema : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.splike.com : programming http://csx.calvin.edu : student org http://www.brondsema.net : personal signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Brondsema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:50 PM > To: community@apache.org > Subject: Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again > > I know from experience that it took a while for me to become > aware of the existence of so many "semi-private" > lists/resources. E.g., [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], committers module, planetapache.org, etc. You can also add [EMAIL PROTECTED] About [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't read anything. I didn't know about planetapache.org, but now I've found the info :) > > I think it would be good to announce these again. Perhaps an > automatic "welcome new committer" email would be best to > bring awareness of these things to future new committers > without bothering old committers. > > -- > Dave Brondsema : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.splike.com : programming > http://csx.calvin.edu : student org > http://www.brondsema.net : personal > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carlos Sanchez wrote: |Hi, | |Yes I am, I didn't see it in the full map. I suppose |http://www.apache.org/~sgala/nightmap.html won't be updated anymore. I plan to update it as soon as I find a way to make xplanet generate coordinates for an imagemap, so that it can be indexed by robot, scraped, etc. I was trying to have it running just before or during the hack-a-thon. In fact, it was one of my projects for this time. Anybody who wants to figure how to make modern versions of xplanet "spit" a set of coordinates for markers are welcome to help. It became much more difficult in a version upgrade. xplanet has the "virtue" of changing the command lines parameters and configuration even in minor version upgrades :-) Additional features planned was that the bulb would be brighter if the owner had posted in the feed(s) in the page where the coordinates are. |Any way to get the map at http://wms.asemantics.com with links? | I'll try. I'm currently mostly without contracts, looking actively for (paid) work, and have little time for interesting things :-) Regards ~Santiago -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBWJwYZAeG2a2/nhoRAveBAKDJhgA98g3ll4DP0T68wu0z07kX9wCcCI7f V77ilKQ6bnewRFTq/1bbsto= =XZbM -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: | |On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Carlos Sanchez wrote: | |>I think the most interesting fact is link the map dots with each person web |>page, so you can have an idea of what people are closer to you and improve |>community relationship. | | |If you take those URL's and change the image format to RDF or to CSV of |CVSPLAIN (comma separated value) you can get the data out to get yourself |an image map which can be put directly into the HTML (i.e. with an shtml |or something or a crontab) rather than getting a GIF image. | Great! all the pieces are there :-) http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotions&VERSION=1.1.0&layers=rawworld,rawday,comloc&width=600&height=300&request=getMap&format=png&bbox=-180,-90,180,90 plus http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotions&VERSION=1.1.0&layers=rawworld,rawday,comloc&width=600&height=300&request=getMap&format=csv&bbox=-180,-90,180,90 and we can make zoomed areas like http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotions&VERSION=1.1.0&y&layers=rawworld,rawday,comloc&width=600&height=400&request=getMap&format=png&bbox=5,35,-15,45 with http://wms.asemantics.com/asf/?styles=emotions&VERSION=1.1.0&y&layers=rawworld,rawday,comloc&width=600&height=400&request=getMap&format=csv&bbox=5,35,-15,45 which shows my neighborhood (except for Daniel, which has not put himself in the page) Happy hacking to whoever beats me to script it :-) Santiago -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBWJ9lZAeG2a2/nhoRAmbMAJ0U31do+2Zo0bzxZ3vCLcg5qd5H1ACfR8gg S7hccDjPrl5O6UcWAHeoGUM= =vSjj -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Community Worldwide -- again
Dave Brondsema wrote: > > I know from experience that it took a while for me to become aware of > the existence of so many "semi-private" lists/resources. E.g., > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], committers module, > planetapache.org, etc. > > I think it would be good to announce these again. Perhaps an automatic > "welcome new committer" email would be best to bring awareness of these > things to future new committers without bothering old committers. If people read the dev pages often, they will see that some of us are gradually updating that area to assist each other. http://www.apache.org/dev/ http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html It is up to each PMC to make sure that their people know about resources at ASF. -- David Crossley - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
