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Stephen McConnell wrote: > > I find this discussion and the usage of terms such as "severe lack of > respect" to be out of place and largely disproportionate with the real > topic, substance and events. all right. i disagree, however, at least with the 'out of place' aspect. > I received an email from the Chairman (with a specific note that that > the message was issue by the Chairman in that capacity). indeed, on rechecking i see that i was working from a false premise. a couple of the addressees were hidden behind my mailer's twisty; yours was one of them. i was mistaken about you having been omitted from the original message, and i withdraw those remarks and humbly apologise for the statements and insinuations i made. > Following receipt of the "official" notification from the Board > concerning the Metro Project submission - I contacted Niclas as part of > our normal process of coordination. I expressed some opinions and > concerns to Niclas on the subject of the notification - including the > subject of the reservations and the strongly implied implications or > those reservations. A particular concern that I raised was the absence > of any supporting justification or explanation for the "reservation" > that was for all intensive purposes an explicit and directed exclusion > of my participation in the oversight of a project to which I am > committed, engaged and actively contributing. i don't intend to get into the 'bring me a rock' scenario concerning who said what when to justify whichever. all the information is available in the archives. i imagine either sam or brian will post relevant pointers. if they don't, perhaps i will. notwithstanding, there *are* documented incidents leading to the reservation. > What is in question is the openness of the Apache Software Foundation > and that question is of interest to every committer at Apache. > > It is my opinion the Niclas posted his initial comments to the list > simply as a "heads-up" to each and every committer here that something > happened recently that simply was not right. that opinion may or may not reflect actual fact. let us assume for the moment that it does. 'was not right' is also a matter of opinion. what is not a matter of opinion, but is rather a matter of fact, is that niclas quoted a private message in a public forum without consulting the author. attempting to raise awareness by defining a hypothetical case, or even an actual case with the specifics removed, would have been much more acceptable, although there is a slippery slope. quoting a private message without permission isn't acceptable at all. > Will the actions taken by Niclas in defending the principals of openness > and community within the ASF simply lead to another statement of > "serious reservation" concerning his role and potential contribution? possibly, in terms of roles involving representation or social responsibility. this sequence *should* have no effect on opinions concerning his technical ability and contributions. people are people, however. i am dismayed that the private message was exposed the way it was. i am much more concerned that the individual involved apparently doesn't see the action as incorrect. if i felt comfortable that it *did* understand why it was inappropriate, i personally would be glad to regard the incident as a one-time mistake arising from misunderstanding or cultural differences, and most of my concern would evaporate. >> i do not intend to 'fuel the flames,' but neither do i intend to let >> anyone get away unchallenged with assertions or implications about our >> organization that are patently untrue. > > Please consider this message as my direct and immediate challenge. to what, specifically? to my admitted-above patently-untrue assertion that you weren't on the initial distribution? done. something else? - -- #ken P-|} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQVgWB5rNPMCpn3XdAQG63gP/SCHtepJtn6LtUt7P1Nm82sHe6hO3VnLp HffQNqE4vO9/j71YY4euIMzz3jGGS4F/hubzP/2iv4nsSt8h4ky0yKCO4kN2IKAo p478HYhRAnYq3x1MpHGJrBsl6CvptDKpSNIAp59TwWQM3CXq8Eqz22zFnvErQILB T9pWbDnQSt4= =V5tI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
