GTA01 Modified Handset
Ok everone, I got the Handset today and GSM 850 WORKS! Audio sounds good and Test call was a success. I will be sending the phone off to its next stop soon. Thanks to Michael Shiloh for arranging the test and i hope this leads to good things for the 850Mhz band ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
quantum step on Neo
I just saw the following link. http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=OpenMoko-Editionreferer=About According to this it seems that it is possible to at least boot quantum step on the Neo. Anyone know if the PIM applications on quantum step are usable on the the Neo. I currently use Ubuntu to connect with my Neo but I do have a mac book and if the quantum step PIM can sync with the mac it would be great. Rakshat P S - sorry if this is old news/ has been covered on the list. I just noticed it today. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Emacspeak on the Neo!
Hello, Emacspeak is the audio desktop, the talking emacs developed by TV Raman: http://emacspeak.sf.net It is beginning to work on OpenMoko / Neo1973 :-) The aim is to be able to edit or read long texts eyes free with just an external keyboard, an earphone and the Neo. Please note that the current integration has room for improvements, requires emacs-x11 ( 50MB) and eSpeak (mokotts): http://oralux.net/mokospeak/ Best regards, Gilles ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm back with my neo.. where to begin?
I like the unstable OM images from 1/27/08 if your not in a GSM 800 area this should work for you andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/08 4:19 PM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Guys, I don't want to start a whole I've just bought a neo - what do I do thread.. so I'm going to keep this short. Can someone give me a brief overview about the best way to get my neo up and running. I've had a look at the qTopia release and a fairly recent openmoko image. Can someone provide me with a pairing of either openmoko/qtopia kernel and rootfs images which go well together and will give me a good base for further development. Interesting note on the qtopia image I tried.. they'd receive texts, but not *appear* to register on the network/allow calls. All academic as this is the openmoko list though. Regards, andylockran -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHnkb3auMjEM4rxIQRAqo0AKC/nKBN1qUPk1GxXAzmHMsHeEwqVQCeLyIi UHQz8IcmdYZDlRjBnkeM2pA= =+6/s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy
Also spracht Jeffrey Thomas (Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:59:50 -0600): But qtopia is probably really the better choice for a phone. And yet OpenMoko is using GTK shudder But qtopia is probably *better* than maemo. Nobody said it's the best. best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. - http://lalomartins.info/ GNU: never give up freedom http://www.gnu.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wanted: beta testers for QuantumSTEP on the Neo GTA01
Hi all, we are now looking for beta (well, it is more alpha) testers for the new Cocoa/GNUstep/X11 based GUI stack and SDK for the Neo. Requirements: a) you own a GTA01b4 (we need to install a special kernel version), b) have a Mac with at least MacOS X 10.4, c) have (some) experience in Xcode, Interface Builder and Cocoa, d) are interested in trying this alternate system (meaning alternate to OpenMoko, Qtopia, Android, iPhone SDK) and giving feedback. Our aim: The software is not yet ready for real beta testing, since many mostly implemented features are not yet working (e.g. nil phone functionality) or still have (very) rough edges. It is more about the general concept and we are interested in your experiences, comments, hints and directions for further improvements to make it what the iPhone SDK probably will not be. What is working: * launching of applications (you can write or port your own code using C, Obj-C, Xcode and Interface Builder!) * Bluetooth scanning * some demo apps (Polygons, Sudoku, ...) * Stop Watch * RPN Calulator (like an HP15C) * Chess (only the GUI - the interface to the GNUchess engine is missing) * Morse decoder (by tapping on the screen...) * Color and Font manager panels * some more... Next Steps: If you are interested, please send me a mail and I will provide you instructions where to download and how to install. More Info: http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=About http://www.quantum-step.com/swi/showdetail.php?app=4423 You are also invited to subscribe to the public announcements and discussion mailing lists: http://groups.google.de/group/com-quantumstep-announce http://groups.google.de/group/quantumstep-discuss Thank you very much, Nikolaus Schaller Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG http://www.goldelico.com Digital Tools for Independent People ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm back with my neo.. where to begin?
Interesting note on the qtopia image I tried.. they'd receive texts, but not *appear* to register on the network/allow calls. All academic as this is the openmoko list though. Do you mean the the signal strength meter did not show but a message saying no network did? I've come across a way that overcomes that but its very unscientific. 1. Open the back 2. Remove battery 3. Push the sim card holder in the direction it locks into (i.e. towards the bottom of the neo) 4. When you replace the battery press it down above the sim card Now, I know your probably thinking do you also stand on one leg but this method has never failed me, I heard another guy on the mailing list put a peice of paper between the battery and the simcard holder to solve this problem ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power Management on Neo1973
Hi Tony, That's an excellent question. Fortunately it has a simple answer. The answer to your question is that we, OpenMoko, do understand the power management issues, and it has been addressed in GTA02. The unknown parts are that I, personally, don't know exactly what caused this problem, how it was addressed, and how this issue should be fixed in GTA01. Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious how you can be certain this issue has been resolved in GTA02 if you cannot answer this question? If you dont know how GTA01 can be fixed, how do you know GTA02 is fixed? Or maybe GTA02 has this same issue? please advise Fredrik Markström wrote: Michael, any progress on this issue ? Hi Fredrik, Sorry, not yet. I'm afraid this is not at the top of the priorities right now. We recognize that it is highly important but our main focus is always on getting GTA02 out. Hopefully shortly we will be able to address this. Michael Will the GTA-01 ever be usable as an everyday-phone, or is the hardware to broken ? /Fredrik On Jan 14, 2008 8:24 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Niemeyer wrote: On another Thread was this: --- And please do get my message right - it is my *hope* that the new firmware will also improve PM since PM issues of the GSM are know to be caused by the firmware. There is no confirmation of this potential fix. Can anybody from Openmoko please answer this firmware-pm question? Tim Niemeyer I will add this to my todo list. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo GTA01 sold out?
Hi, Just checking if all Neo 1973 basic kits been sold out. Will more devices be made avaliable? Rakshat On Jan 29, 2008 2:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send community mailing list submissions to community@lists.openmoko.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of community digest... Today's Topics: 1. Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy (Patrick Davila) 2. Openmoko - opportunity to have collective community server side assistance (JW) 3. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy ( Thomas Gst?dtner ) 4. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy (Tilman Baumann) 5. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy (Jeffrey Thomas) 6. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 (Michael Shiloh) 7. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 8. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Forwarded message -- From: Patrick Davila [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:20:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800 series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe buying Trolltech is cheaper than continually licensing Symbian? Plus they have a hell of lot more control in the direction of Qtopia Qt. Pat -- http://tllts.org/ - The Linux Link Tech Show http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/ - My blog -- Forwarded message -- From: JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:32:58 + (UTC) Subject: Openmoko - opportunity to have collective community server side assistance Hi community right now OM is just getting established but its fun to think ahead :-) articles like this one highlight the role of server side apps to help mobile devices with high load tasks. http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/28/ skyfire-browser-for-windows-mobile-is-game-changing-does-flash/ I am not sure but perhaps their business model is to offer a subscription service to users. we can already see examples of other lower load apps for example thumbtribes (early stage beta see youtube) there are many, many more coming i am sure perhaps whenever you move down a road that is not in OpenStreetMap in the future data will automatically be collected one way the community could help to develop these services is to collectively provide a place for developers to host these services so that they are provided * cheaply * fast * always available * secure/easy login for nominated developers * funded by donation? the advantages of having this all on OpenMokoServer will really draw the community together I think JW -- Forwarded message -- From: Thomas Gstädtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy About 50% of Symbian are owned by Nokia. On 1/28/08, Patrick Davila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800 series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe buying Trolltech is cheaper than continually licensing Symbian? Plus they have a hell of lot more control in the direction of Qtopia Qt. Pat -- http://tllts.org/ - The Linux Link Tech Show http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/ - My blog ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Forwarded message -- From: Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:22:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy Patrick Davila wrote: I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800 series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe buying Trolltech is cheaper than continually licensing Symbian? Maybe not. But it's way more modern and flexible. *g* There are versions of symbian out
Re: quantum step on Neo
Am 29.01.2008 um 15:30 schrieb rakshat hooja: I just saw the following link. http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=OpenMoko- Editionreferer=About According to this it seems that it is possible to at least boot quantum step on the Neo. Anyone know if the PIM applications on quantum step are usable on the the Neo. I currently use Yes, it can boot. And you can start some preliminary PIM functions that are already sketched: http://www.quantum-step.com/swi/showdetail.php?app=4409 http://www.quantum-step.com/swi/showdetail.php?app=4408 (screen shot comes from very old AppKit) http://www.quantum-step.com/swi/showdetail.php?app=4422 ( --- --- ) But you can't really use them so far. One key issue is that we have no config to use a bluetooth keyboard. And inter-process communication fails so the on-screen keyboard doesn't interwork. Ubuntu to connect with my Neo but I do have a mac book and if the quantum step PIM can sync with the mac it would be great. Syncing is planned but not ready. But you can expect perfect and complete sync between a Mac and QuantumSTEP since both will use the same data structures for contacts, events, tasks etc. So there will be no data loss by syncing. I have sent out a request for alpha/beta testers today. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo GTA01 sold out?
I am not sure but... Does it means that you want to finish the stock because the new version GTA02 is comming soon? If the answer is YES, this would be a good advance for the project. I am fairly sure that a lot of people, like me, are waiting to have wifi and a more functional device to get one. Cheers -- JuanLu 2008/1/29, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Just checking if all Neo 1973 basic kits been sold out. Will more devices be made avaliable? Rakshat On Jan 29, 2008 2:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send community mailing list submissions to community@lists.openmoko.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of community digest... Today's Topics: 1. Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy (Patrick Davila) 2. Openmoko - opportunity to have collective community server side assistance (JW) 3. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy ( Thomas Gst?dtner ) 4. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy (Tilman Baumann) 5. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy (Jeffrey Thomas) 6. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 (Michael Shiloh) 7. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 8. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Forwarded message -- From: Patrick Davila [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:20:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800 series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe buying Trolltech is cheaper than continually licensing Symbian? Plus they have a hell of lot more control in the direction of Qtopia Qt. Pat -- http://tllts.org/ - The Linux Link Tech Show http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/ - My blog -- Forwarded message -- From: JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:32:58 + (UTC) Subject: Openmoko - opportunity to have collective community server side assistance Hi community right now OM is just getting established but its fun to think ahead :-) articles like this one highlight the role of server side apps to help mobile devices with high load tasks. http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/28/ skyfire-browser-for-windows-mobile-is-game-changing-does-flash/http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/28/skyfire-browser-for-windows-mobile-is-game-changing-does-flash/ I am not sure but perhaps their business model is to offer a subscription service to users. we can already see examples of other lower load apps for example thumbtribes (early stage beta see youtube) there are many, many more coming i am sure perhaps whenever you move down a road that is not in OpenStreetMap in the future data will automatically be collected one way the community could help to develop these services is to collectively provide a place for developers to host these services so that they are provided * cheaply * fast * always available * secure/easy login for nominated developers * funded by donation? the advantages of having this all on OpenMokoServer will really draw the community together I think JW -- Forwarded message -- From: Thomas Gstädtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy About 50% of Symbian are owned by Nokia. On 1/28/08, Patrick Davila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800 series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe buying Trolltech is cheaper than continually licensing Symbian? Plus they have a hell of lot more control in the direction of Qtopia Qt. Pat -- http://tllts.org/ - The Linux Link Tech Show http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/ - My blog ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Forwarded message
Re: Neo GTA01 sold out?
On Jan 29, 2008 3:39 PM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just checking if all Neo 1973 basic kits been sold out. Will more devices be made avaliable? Rakshat, it seems you replied to the 'daily digest' of the messages, and your message contained lots of messages that you didn't reply to. Please make sure that when you reply, that you strip off everything that isn't necessary for your e-mail to be understandable. Regards, Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wanted: beta testers for QuantumSTEP on the Neo GTA01
Am 30.01.2008 um 12:33 schrieb Thomas Gstädtner: Maybe you should have mentioned, that your project and the SDK is not OpenSource and not available in source. Yes and no - there is no blackwhite answer. The total QuantumSTEP system is not 100% open source but approx. 80%. These 80% are the core parts (libraries, frameworks) to develop your own applications. This part is called mySTEP and is derived from GNUstep which is all licensed by FSF using the LGPL. This is the SDK. So the SDK *is* completely open source. Please look here for the open source of the SDK: http://www.quantum-step.com/download/sources/mySTEP/ http://www.quantum-step.com/download/sources/mySTEP-src-2.4B659.tgz If you are missing some sources, please let me know. Finally, you are free to replace our own non-open parts (applications) to get a 100% functional system. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
Hello, I'm very interested by the Neo1973 and I was thinking about doing some hardware/software hacking on it. I have several questions. 1) I want to develop an application linked to a FM tuner (with data, like RDS). Any idea on how I could add a FM tuner on a neo 1973 ? Maybe with USB ? Or a chip that I could buy separately ? 2) Other harware question : is there a DSP in the Neo1973 ? I imagine some sound signal processing that would requires a DSP. I don't see how I could add a DSP afterward but any solution is welcome :-) 3) Last but not least : If I order my neo1973 today, when will I receive a) the 1973v1, b)the FreeRunner. I want to develop as quickly as possible and, if there is compatibility and that the v2 is too late, I don't mind buying a v1 now and a v2 later. Thanks in advance for your answers, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
Lionel Dricot wrote: Hello, I'm very interested by the Neo1973 and I was thinking about doing some hardware/software hacking on it. I have several questions. 1) I want to develop an application linked to a FM tuner (with data, like RDS). Any idea on how I could add a FM tuner on a neo 1973 ? Maybe with USB ? Or a chip that I could buy separately ? This is a usual question. Although you could configure the USB port in host mode. It would be unpowered. So there is no real good way to add external hardware. How about a dedicated radio box with separate batteries and remote control and sound via Bluetooth. Bluetooth has a audio profile, and adding a simple control port sounds not too impressive to me. Regards Tilman ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
How about a dedicated radio box with separate batteries and remote control and sound via Bluetooth. Bluetooth has a audio profile, and adding a simple control port sounds not too impressive to me. It doesn't fit in my needs for RDS and TMC, unfortunatly :-( (or at least, I don't see how to do that. Any suggestion is of course welcome) Thanks for the suggestion, Lionel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 Modified Handset
That's great. I really hope those handsets are available at the same time as the 900 band phones. On Jan 28, 2008 8:03 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok everone, I got the Handset today and GSM 850 WORKS! Audio sounds good and Test call was a success. I will be sending the phone off to its next stop soon. Thanks to Michael Shiloh for arranging the test and i hope this leads to good things for the 850Mhz band ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wanted: beta testers for QuantumSTEP on the Neo GTA01
Dear Dr. Nikolaus Schaller, I'd like to test QuantumSTEP, but I don't have a mac. It's a big problem for me: for example, I'd like to write a review on my neo1973-dedicated blog [1], but I can't... I'm really interested in this project, and I was planning to translate something, even a user guide, into Italian. I have been reading everything written about it so far. Are you planning to release a jff2 rootfs image in the future? Kindest regards, Ugo Raffaele Piemontese --- [1] http://www.rudiaelinux.com/openmoko/ DEXGATEMICRO il centralino VoIP multifunzione per l'azienda. Prova gratuita per 4 utenti! Scopri tutte le funzionalita' sul sito Dexgate.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ***[Possible UCE]*** Re: Wanted: beta testers for QuantumSTEP on the Neo GTA01
Dear Ugo Raffaele Piemontese, Am 30.01.2008 um 15:07 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Dr. Nikolaus Schaller, I'd like to test QuantumSTEP, but I don't have a mac. It's a big problem for me: for example, I'd like to write a review on my neo1973-dedicated blog [1], but I can't... I'm really interested in this project, and I was planning to translate something, even a user guide, into Italian. I have been reading everything written about it so far. Are you planning to release a jff2 rootfs image in the future? Yes, it is planned. We even have mkfs.jffs2 running on the Mac. But compiling a working jffs2 image is quite complex to retain the correct file owners and permissions. Kindest regards, Ugo Raffaele Piemontese Same to you, Nikolaus Schaller -- - [1] http://www.rudiaelinux.com/openmoko/ -- -- DEXGATEMICRO il centralino VoIP multifunzione per l'azienda. Prova gratuita per 4 utenti! Scopri tutte le funzionalita' sul sito Dexgate.com -- -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
you can do calls with asterisk, its just all console for now the command is 'console dial [EMAIL PROTECTED]' and it is also a server Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 11:47 AM On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
may as well just wait for the asterisk GUI cause OM uses GTK not QT so it would require some serious editing, however the serverless idea is good Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:00 PM the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
yes, but it is not about serverless or any instant messenger, it is the only way, to have **secure** VOIPs. as well users do not need a telephone call, they can to the calls with VOIP over a data internet flat rate from the mobile phone. Voip is not in yet, and then it would be in with QT gui, no one wants to make a GTK gui as this is a lot of work, though for the small display a gui change is anyway needed, so maybe a Gtk would not be much work. Anyway, it is work and the project has no resources for OM. So other IMs and solutions will come, but they are not as safe as an asym, encrypted PGP line. So you need to ask for the goals, you want just IM or Just VOIP? then choose anything.. if you want secure VOIP, then go the way for an adjusted gui for the PGP-Messenger with soon Voip... and as it is not in, but the launch of OM is soon, ... if someone gets the flu, then use Qt still, as this might be quicker done... and Voip can be added later as an update... On Jan 30, 2008 6:06 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may as well just wait for the asterisk GUI cause OM uses GTK not QT so it would require some serious editing, however the serverless idea is good Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:00 PM the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
My only concern is i am not aware of qt lib port to OM yet, If you know of one please let me know i would be interested for sure. Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:21 PM yes, but it is not about serverless or any instant messenger, it is the only way, to have **secure** VOIPs. as well users do not need a telephone call, they can to the calls with VOIP over a data internet flat rate from the mobile phone. Voip is not in yet, and then it would be in with QT gui, no one wants to make a GTK gui as this is a lot of work, though for the small display a gui change is anyway needed, so maybe a Gtk would not be much work. Anyway, it is work and the project has no resources for OM. So other IMs and solutions will come, but they are not as safe as an asym, encrypted PGP line. So you need to ask for the goals, you want just IM or Just VOIP? then choose anything.. if you want secure VOIP, then go the way for an adjusted gui for the PGP-Messenger with soon Voip... and as it is not in, but the launch of OM is soon, ... if someone gets the flu, then use Qt still, as this might be quicker done... and Voip can be added later as an update... On Jan 30, 2008 6:06 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may as well just wait for the asterisk GUI cause OM uses GTK not QT so it would require some serious editing, however the serverless idea is good Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:00 PM the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
On ke, 2008-01-30 at 18:00 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. Seems like it does its own thing, which is bad for interop. I would suggest to people implementing a softphone for OpenMoko to use standard SIP, applying preferrably the GNU ccRTP library for voice streams. This implements the quite nice ZRTP protocol designed by Zimmerman of PGP fame. (I haven't noticed other free implementations of ZRTP; if such are however available, this killer advantage to ccRTP may of course diminish.) Relevantly, there may be a lot of potential synergy with the GNU Telephony Open Embedded subproject: In GNU Telephony Open Embedded, one goal is to provide softphone clients, such as linphone, sflphoned, and twinkle, modified specifically for GPE and OPIE (Free Qtopia). - http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony_Open_Embedded I'm sure many relevant people know all this already, but thought I'd toss it out again. -- Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Helsinki ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wanted: beta testers for QuantumSTEP on the Neo GTA01
Is it possible to create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for stuff on the alternate software distro's? It seems kind of wierd that we're using openmoko's lists to discuss its competitors -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
On Jan 30, 2008 6:07 AM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This is a usual question. Although you could configure the USB port in host mode. It would be unpowered. snip Regards Tilman I haven't heard anything about it for a while, but IIRC freerunner is supposed to have a powered USB port -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. Ekiga is just a client package and doesn't contain a server component, like asterisk. There is also linPhone (http://www.linphone.org/), which is built with GTK and has core/gui seperation. That might be nice for direct integration into the OpenMoko GUI and for people who don't want to run an entire asterisk server on their phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wanted: beta testers for QuantumSTEP on the Neo GTA01
Not required IMHO... 1. Alternate distros or projects usually have their own discussion lists (e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. QuantumSTEP uses many parts of OpenMoko and just replaces some parts. See it as an alternate Application Suite. Am 30.01.2008 um 18:01 schrieb Jeff Andros: Is it possible to create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for stuff on the alternate software distro's? It seems kind of wierd that we're using openmoko's lists to discuss its competitors ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 hacked Handset for testing 850MHz circuit for GTA02
Great news Christopher, Remember everyone, this is a specially modified GTA01 that we are using to test the suitability of the circuit for GTA02. We have no plans to modify or to sell GTA01 for 850MHz, nor can we modify yours. As Christopher alludes to below, the handset Christopher is using does not belong to him, but rather to OpenMoko. Christopher is one of a team of volunteers who are helping us test this circuit. Thank you Christopher for helping us in this test, and thanks in advance to the rest of the volunteers. We look forward to hearing the results from future testers. Thanks also to one of our testers (which one it was I can't remember right now), we have a wiki page for tracking progress of this experiment: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_850_test Regards, Michael Christopher Earl wrote: Ok everone, I got the Handset today and GSM 850 WORKS! Audio sounds good and Test call was a success. I will be sending the phone off to its next stop soon. Thanks to Michael Shiloh for arranging the test and i hope this leads to good things for the 850Mhz band ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
Jeff Andros wrote: On Jan 30, 2008 6:07 AM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This is a usual question. Although you could configure the USB port in host mode. It would be unpowered. snip Regards Tilman I haven't heard anything about it for a while, but IIRC freerunner is supposed to have a powered USB port You could be right. But i did not find any proof on the wiki. But to be honest, i thought i heard that too some time... Tilman ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
the GTA02 will provide 5v at 100mA on the USB Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 1:27 PM Jeff Andros wrote: On Jan 30, 2008 6:07 AM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This is a usual question. Although you could configure the USB port in host mode. It would be unpowered. snip Regards Tilman I haven't heard anything about it for a while, but IIRC freerunner is supposed to have a powered USB port You could be right. But i did not find any proof on the wiki. But to be honest, i thought i heard that too some time... Tilman ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Colan Schwartz: Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. www.twinklephone.com. Qt based, so maybe (more) easily portable to QTopia. Plus a lean CLI mode. Works with ekiga buddies/presence and IM (SIP SIMPLE). j ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Mikko J Rauhala: On ke, 2008-01-30 at 18:00 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. Seems like it does its own thing, which is bad for interop. I would suggest to people implementing a softphone for OpenMoko to use standard SIP, applying preferrably the GNU ccRTP library for voice streams. This implements the quite nice ZRTP protocol designed by Zimmerman of PGP fame. (I haven't noticed other free implementations of ZRTP; if such are however available, this killer advantage to ccRTP may of course diminish.) That's all in twinkle! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Jeremiah Flerchinger: Ekiga is just a client package and doesn't contain a server component, What for do you want to have a server on GTA? BTW linphone is no way different in this aspect AFAIK. like asterisk. There is also linPhone (http://www.linphone.org/), That might be nice for ... people who don't want to run an entire asterisk server on their phone. That's true for every SIP-Usaer-Agent, i think. Just no need for a server. Register with any SIP-provider, or simply do direct IP2IP without any registrar at all. I don't know _any_ SIP-softphone that needs asterisk on the local machine. j ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
I am working in an iax2 gtk client now, check out http://bkruse.com. (mokoiax) I then plan to port a sip client (nothing like gizmo) Gizmo hates freedom. Its closed. Please do not turn this mostly open platform into a commercial playground. Brandon Kruse (bkruse) On Jan 29, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ekiga would be absolutely amazing. A major port job (gtk wise) but everything else should be simple to integrate for an application developer. Great suggestion. -brandon kruse ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
I have ported asterisk and the Ipkg is available at http://bkruse.com along with a beta cli iax client. Having problems with binding to the mic...but we will see. Brandon Kruse (bkruse) On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can do calls with asterisk, its just all console for now the command is 'console dial [EMAIL PROTECTED]' and it is also a server Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 11:47 AM On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
Just go to the asterisk GUI web interface I can package it up now and works in the OM browser. Brandon Kruse (bkruse) On Jan 30, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may as well just wait for the asterisk GUI cause OM uses GTK not QT so it would require some serious editing, however the serverless idea is good Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 12:00 PM the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. On Jan 30, 2008 5:47 PM, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 06:13:17PM -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Has anyone who actually has hardware right now tried/had luck running a full featured VOIP application in OpenMoko? I'd much rather see Gizmo than Skype, especially since it looks like it's integrated into GrandCentral (http://www.grandcentral.com/) and is based on open standards (and closed source). It also looks like Gizmo directly supports the Maemo on the Nokia N800 (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What soft phone to port?
I am going to fully port a sip client (besides the iax client I am already working on) This is a flame-free thread :) I want your input on what sip client you like, why, and in your opinion, how easy would it be to adapt to the OM platform? Take into account portability and libraries. Btw asterisk on the moko was my idea, it was for proof of concept and fun, really not a soft client. Not what it is meant to do. (even though chan_alsa does work :) ) Brandon Kruse (bkruse) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
On Jan 30, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the serverless instant messenger http://retroshare.sf.net (Qt gui) will have soon as well VOIP and VIDEO Chat, and this is quite good for openmoko, as this is an encrypted one, so you are safe, that no third party is hearing your Voips. (http://gizmoproject.com/learnmore-nokia800.html). Other options are http://ekiga.org/ and http://www.openwengo.org/. They both do SIP. I know about Ekiga because it ships with Ubuntu, and it's completely open source. I don't know that much about OpenWengo. -c. Ekiga is just a client package and doesn't contain a server component, like asterisk. There is also linPhone (http://www.linphone.org/ ), which is built with GTK and has core/gui seperation. That might be nice for direct integration into the OpenMoko GUI and for people who don't want to run an entire asterisk server on their phone. Yes, agreed. I ported asterisk as a proof of concept and to help me understand the build process. Besides, you cannot run asterisk with sip and/or iax and an sip/iax client (udp bind port) -brandon kruse.___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wanted: beta testers for QuantumSTEP on the Neo GTA01
On Wednesday 30 January 2008 18:53:58 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Not required IMHO... 1. Alternate distros or projects usually have their own discussion lists (e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. QuantumSTEP uses many parts of OpenMoko and just replaces some parts. See it as an alternate Application Suite. I agree. Discussing the usability and usage of alternative distributions for the Neo and FreeRunner is pretty much on topic of this list. Discussing how to _develop_ for said distributions is pushing it and would be more suitable on the respective framework/application suite lists, e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... :M: ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 Modified Handset
Upgrading the Memory is not a problem, just pop in a bigger microSD upgrading the NAND would be totaly different and not serve much of a purpose, you can use the ipkg that lets you install apps directly on the SD and link the libs and stuff, there is a wiki that will help you do this. about the provider, i guess it depends on what features you want, however, there are not many GSM providers in the states, in my area I only have T-mobile and ATT Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 10:12 PM Any recommendations on sim vendors in the states for use with these phones? I'd like something that'd auto-bill me like a regular phone plan, without getting ripped off on rates/data/etc. Well, more ripped off than I am right now. A man's gotta have standards. On a completely different random topic, any ideas how hard it'd be to upgrade the memory on these things? Say a gig? On Jan 30, 2008 9:11 AM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's great. I really hope those handsets are available at the same time as the 900 band phones. On Jan 28, 2008 8:03 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok everone, I got the Handset today and GSM 850 WORKS! Audio sounds good and Test call was a success. I will be sending the phone off to its next stop soon. Thanks to Michael Shiloh for arranging the test and i hope this leads to good things for the 850Mhz band ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gizmo for Skype-like functionality in Neo?
joerg wrote: Am Mi 30. Januar 2008 schrieb Jeremiah Flerchinger: Ekiga is just a client package and doesn't contain a server component, What for do you want to have a server on GTA? BTW linphone is no way different in this aspect AFAIK. I personally wouldn't want a server on the phone. I would rather log into a separate SIP/IAX server that could give access to land lines as well as SIP VOIP lines. I was trying to extend the post I replied to gather more suggestions for SIP client software because I didn't understand why an entire server was needed. like asterisk. There is also linPhone (http://www.linphone.org/), That might be nice for ... people who don't want to run an entire asterisk server on their phone. That's true for every SIP-Usaer-Agent, i think. Just no need for a server. Register with any SIP-provider, or simply do direct IP2IP without any registrar at all. I don't know _any_ SIP-softphone that needs asterisk on the local machine. j Agreed, as I said above. Still, I do prefer the idea of using a SIP-provider instead of IP2IP purely for the purpose of calling land lines. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 Modified Handset
Whoops, I meant RAM (128 mb on the current unit). Yeah, I was afraid it was just the two. At least t-mob's been good to me in the past. On Jan 30, 2008 10:48 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upgrading the Memory is not a problem, just pop in a bigger microSD upgrading the NAND would be totaly different and not serve much of a purpose, you can use the ipkg that lets you install apps directly on the SD and link the libs and stuff, there is a wiki that will help you do this. about the provider, i guess it depends on what features you want, however, there are not many GSM providers in the states, in my area I only have T-mobile and ATT Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 10:12 PM Any recommendations on sim vendors in the states for use with these phones? I'd like something that'd auto-bill me like a regular phone plan, without getting ripped off on rates/data/etc. Well, more ripped off than I am right now. A man's gotta have standards. On a completely different random topic, any ideas how hard it'd be to upgrade the memory on these things? Say a gig? On Jan 30, 2008 9:11 AM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's great. I really hope those handsets are available at the same time as the 900 band phones. On Jan 28, 2008 8:03 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok everone, I got the Handset today and GSM 850 WORKS! Audio sounds good and Test call was a success. I will be sending the phone off to its next stop soon. Thanks to Michael Shiloh for arranging the test and i hope this leads to good things for the 850Mhz band ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 Modified Handset
Oh, the 128 is onboard storage. What *is* the onboard CPU RAM on this thing? Is it just what's built onboard the CPU? On Jan 30, 2008 11:27 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops, I meant RAM (128 mb on the current unit). Yeah, I was afraid it was just the two. At least t-mob's been good to me in the past. On Jan 30, 2008 10:48 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upgrading the Memory is not a problem, just pop in a bigger microSD upgrading the NAND would be totaly different and not serve much of a purpose, you can use the ipkg that lets you install apps directly on the SD and link the libs and stuff, there is a wiki that will help you do this. about the provider, i guess it depends on what features you want, however, there are not many GSM providers in the states, in my area I only have T-mobile and ATT Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 10:12 PM Any recommendations on sim vendors in the states for use with these phones? I'd like something that'd auto-bill me like a regular phone plan, without getting ripped off on rates/data/etc. Well, more ripped off than I am right now. A man's gotta have standards. On a completely different random topic, any ideas how hard it'd be to upgrade the memory on these things? Say a gig? On Jan 30, 2008 9:11 AM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's great. I really hope those handsets are available at the same time as the 900 band phones. On Jan 28, 2008 8:03 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok everone, I got the Handset today and GSM 850 WORKS! Audio sounds good and Test call was a success. I will be sending the phone off to its next stop soon. Thanks to Michael Shiloh for arranging the test and i hope this leads to good things for the 850Mhz band ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 Modified Handset
The 64MB of NAND flash aka 'on board Flash 'is just for the Kernel and Root File system, although the Root FS could be loaded onto the MicroSD card; which is located under the SIM slot, i believe that up to 4GIG is available on MicroSD. The GTA01 ships with a 512MB card. so all in all you get 64MB + 512MB , at this time i assure you that 512MB is plenty for OpenMoko and Applications, if you wanted to utilize the device as a MP3 player I would suggest purchasing the biggest MicroSD card you can find. The 128MB of SDRAM is system memory, like your PC has.It is not used for 'Storage'. OM has done a great deal of work to keep their applications small, and they have done a good job at it. Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 11:36 PM Oh, the 128 is onboard storage. What *is* the onboard CPU RAM on this thing? Is it just what's built onboard the CPU? On Jan 30, 2008 11:27 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops, I meant RAM (128 mb on the current unit). Yeah, I was afraid it was just the two. At least t-mob's been good to me in the past. On Jan 30, 2008 10:48 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upgrading the Memory is not a problem, just pop in a bigger microSD upgrading the NAND would be totaly different and not serve much of a purpose, you can use the ipkg that lets you install apps directly on the SD and link the libs and stuff, there is a wiki that will help you do this. about the provider, i guess it depends on what features you want, however, there are not many GSM providers in the states, in my area I only have T-mobile and ATT Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/08 10:12 PM Any recommendations on sim vendors in the states for use with these phones? I'd like something that'd auto-bill me like a regular phone plan, without getting ripped off on rates/data/etc. Well, more ripped off than I am right now. A man's gotta have standards. On a completely different random topic, any ideas how hard it'd be to upgrade the memory on these things? Say a gig? On Jan 30, 2008 9:11 AM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's great. I really hope those handsets are available at the same time as the 900 band phones. On Jan 28, 2008 8:03 PM, Christopher Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok everone, I got the Handset today and GSM 850 WORKS! Audio sounds good and Test call was a success. I will be sending the phone off to its next stop soon. Thanks to Michael Shiloh for arranging the test and i hope this leads to good things for the 850Mhz band ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Worries are gone? (was FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?)
Wow! That's really great news as that and battery time were my two main worries. It would be lovely if Michael could: 1) Confirm/Deny wether GTA02 will have a powered USB port 2) Go into more detail of how GTA02 power management has improved over GTA01. /Oliver I haven't heard anything about it for a while, but IIRC freerunner is supposed to have a powered USB port -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What soft phone to port?
I personally don't care much which sip client would be ported. I would like to a sip client that could be eventually integrated with the address book, dialer, webkit (for clicking on sip links) or other apps, to some extent, in the future. I don't know how well all of the different apps would lend themselves to this. I think a GTK based client that looked similar to the current dialer would be great. Also the current build environment doesn't support C++ to my knowledge. This would exclude Ekiga because it's written in C++. LinPhone is C based I'm not sure about minisip. I think most of the other apps mentioned were Qt based. Brandon Kruse wrote: I am going to fully port a sip client (besides the iax client I am already working on) This is a flame-free thread :) I want your input on what sip client you like, why, and in your opinion, how easy would it be to adapt to the OM platform? Take into account portability and libraries. Btw asterisk on the moko was my idea, it was for proof of concept and fun, really not a soft client. Not what it is meant to do. (even though chan_alsa does work :) ) Brandon Kruse (bkruse) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA02 powered USB host port and power management (Was: Re: Worries are gone? (was FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?))
Hi Oliver, Oliver wrote: Wow! That's really great news as that and battery time were my two main worries. It would be lovely if Michael could: 1) Confirm/Deny wether GTA02 will have a powered USB port GTA02 will have a powered USB port. 2) Go into more detail of how GTA02 power management has improved over GTA01. I'll need to research this to get the full story, first what caused the problem(s) in GTA01, and then how they were fixed in GTA02. Michael /Oliver I haven't heard anything about it for a while, but IIRC freerunner is supposed to have a powered USB port -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
