date:20080828

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:27:45 +0200
Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (MT() wrote:

Hello I often edit illume configuration/files that are loaded by
illume only on startup. To apply my changes I've to restart X (and so
and qpe and other X related processes).
Is there a way to reload (or kill and restart it) illume without 
restarting X?

I figure that there is something since the few times that e/illume 
hanged, I got a message to reload it.

oh, how do you edit btw?

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Re: OPIE on FreeRunner

the more interesting part (to me) would be, how it runs on debian.
i remember having installed opie on top of debian a few years ago to check  
with a rather old notebook (486sx), and it required a few tweaks in  
configuration.

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Re: Partitioning 4GB with the Debian Installer

 but when I run './install all' I still get:

 Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information:
 Warning, had trouble writing out superblocks.done

doesn't sound good.

 if I try './install mount' I get:
 [errors]

well, w/o superblocks mounting doesn't work

 Also, if I just end up partitioning this from my desktop machine, should
 I make a 8mb ext2 and the rest ext3?

for the installer that's the default, i guess. if you change the layout  
you will have to mount manually before proceeding, since the installer  
(imo) would not know about separate partitions for usr, var, ...
re the filesystems: the u-boot has an entry for fat+ext2 -- either you  
change taht/ add an entry for ext2+ext3 or you use fat+ext2.
secondly, the installer assumes ext2 imo, since etx3 is not recommended  
for sd card.

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Re: QtGps for Trolltechs Qtopia

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:29 AM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Now with github goodness ;)

 I have created a github repository for this, in the hopes we can grow it into 
 a useful tool.

 http://github.com/wolfmanjm/qtopiagps

 I have also written a blog entry on ho wto setup the toolchain for Qtopia..

 http://blog.wolfman.com/articles/2008/08/27/porting-xgps-to-qtopia-for-the-freerunner

 Oh and the name is now qtopiagps, as there was already a qtgps.


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might be usefull if you add this blogentry to http://planet.openmoko.org/

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Re: Sold out ahh

 Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's  
 in
 the pictures :(
 could you post a link to that pics?
 i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in
 lanyard hole)

 Don't tell me we forgot to ship you the lanyard hole! That would be a
 severe oversight on our part.

well, that would be comparably easy to fix, wouldn't it?

 Forgot to add that if we did, let me know - I think I have a spare one
 in my pocket :-)

you got a lanyard hole in your pocket? who's your tailor?

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Re: USB cable hacking

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:45:36 +0200
Harald Koenig
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(HK) wrote:

I've modified battery.py a bit to display the (de)charging current too,
my script version attached...

Cool :) I had to erase the first ^M after python and then all is great,
thank you :)

Btw, is there a way to see on my host computer how much current is
being supplied to the usb port? Or perhaps better question, at what
stage of the boot up process does FR start charging it's battery? Or
does it charge even when not booted up?

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Re: ASU : can't import vcf contacts

2008-08-28 Thread julien cubizolles

Le mercredi 27 août 2008 à 23:33 +0200, Damien Thébault a écrit :

 I found the first problem because I splitted my vcf file into many
 small ones, and I was able to load only some of them. Then I compared
 them and find this problem.

That's what I'm, reluctantly, about to do...

 I don't know if the mail client is doing something wrong, or if it's
 the addressbook app. (or maybe the addressbook app is not VCF 3
 compliant).

It's evolution in my case, and I was indeed searching for its compliance to 
some strict standard. 




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Re: ASU keyboards

2008-08-28 Thread Tom Yates

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

 ok. i suck. i have screwed this defsault_profile monkey. 1 last time for 
 the dummies (i.e. - me).

 1. opkg install illume-config-illume (get illume's config panel and 
 illume keyboard by default - this should be available)

which repository or repositories should i have enabled to get 
illume-config-illume?  i'm running 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs with not too 
much in the way of modification (yet; i only got the phone on 26/8).  i'm 
sorry if i've jumped in in the middle of the discussion and have missed an 
important pre-requisite.

 2. opkg install illume-config (get qwery button)

that works, yup, thanks.  didn't see a wrench, though, which i was vaguely 
expecting; have i misunderstood other postings?

 2. echo 'E_PROFILE=-profile illume'  
 /etc/enlightenment/default_profile (switch to the illume profile from 
 asu)

sadly, that's what my /etc/enlightenment/default_profile already has in 
it.

 3. reboot (easiest way to get your x session going again as the 
 default_profile is a command-line hack). :)

 that should do it!

ummm, it didn't - i just lost the qwerty button, and still the same old 
keyboard popped up when i entered (eg) terminal.

getting rid of the qtopia keyboard in favour of a full, non-predictive 
qwerty keyboard is one of my fondest aims at the moment, so i'd appreciate 
any help you can give, and am happy to test stuff!


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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

Hi Lars,

I installed your theme and I like it! It looked a little bit too
kiddy on scap.linuxtogo.org, but it looks great on the FR.
In my personal opinion it a bit weird how the sun rises (like on
http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/screenshots/exquisite_sun_2.png)
maybe it would look better when the sun doesn't get cut of on the right side?
Maybe the sun can start out of the screen and proceed from left to
right (sun rises east to west), that way the cutoff seems more normal
because the sun is entering the screen.
Or it could emerge from the cloud in the lower left corner.

anyway, it looks great: good job!
I hope that in the future there will become more themes available
because this kind of customisation is great!

one last hint: It would be even greater when you made an ipk file and
added it to the community repository. That way people could install
your theme with one command or even through the graphical installer.


y


On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Lars Formella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hi,

 because i personally dislike the build in asu/illume theme - in german we
 call it augenkrebs ;) - i created a new fresh one myself with some tango
 icons. it is still in the early grade (i have no freerunner to test and
 played around just with qemu), but maybe some one like it. stay tuned for
 updates and more tango replacements comming...

 you can find it here:
 http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/
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Re: ASU keyboards

2008-08-28 Thread Minh Ha Duong

Hi Raster, and hi all,

  It's great news to learn that there should be an illume-config-illume 
package that provides yours keyboard again. This is what we have all been 
waiting for. But I second Tom's question: we would love to know more 
precisely when and where it should be available.

Minh

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Re: ASU keyboards

2008-08-28 Thread Minh Ha Duong

While we wait for The Rasterman to tell us Where and When we will find the 
package for the One Keyboard To Rule Them All ;-) , why not use the matchbox 
one like we did in 2007.2 just a few weeks ago ?

Here is a recipe, please let me know if it works for you:

1. Get the qwerty button with   opkg install illume-config

2. Hide the qtopia keyboard by manually adding the line
export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1
in the file   /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia

3. Install the matchbox keyboard with
opkg install matchbox-keyboard-applet
opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod

4. Restart X with  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart

5. Launch the matchbox keyboard daemon by clicking on the Keyboard icon 

I did not install the package   matchbox-keyboard-im   , I don't know what it 
is for ?

Minh
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Re: 2008.8 update

Just for clarity's sake:
When using Om2008.8-upgrade, which feeds do we need to use?
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/
or zecke's feeds?

or do we have to wait a little bit?
thanks
y

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bill,

 sms mode.  The bug was closed  with what to an English speaker means
 its working, so go away.  This certainly teed me right off.  In
 ...
 Yes, I am still peeved by the way the bug was closed - why bother
 raising bugs when it results in actions like this?  Its all very well
 saying its open, give them a chance etc, but eventually, something
 will
 have to change here.

 Sorry to hear that.
 Thank you very much for posting the bug!
 Can you post some URLs? Which bug are you referring to? Who closed it
 in a way that offended you?

 Please remember that Openmoko is a very global team. Sometimes it's
 just a language issue that the friendliness gets lost in translation...
 Thanks again for helping us with our project. The more (high quality)
 bugs you report the better for all of us since we are developing Free
 Software!
 Best Regards,
 Wolfgang

 On Aug 26, 2008, at 9:38 PM, William Kenworthy wrote:

 The problem is OM are not responding in a way that reassures us that
 2008.8 is being shaped to our concerns.  I raised a bug that the
 default
 2008.8 keyboard was almost impossible to use in anything but an
 english
 sms mode.  The bug was closed  with what to an English speaker means
 its working, so go away.  This certainly teed me right off.  In
 postings since, its been explained that this was actually because of
 the
 way the bug reporting system works with engineering, and it doesnt
 work
 like we are used to in most opensource projects where you can raise a
 bug about ANY concern and it will be attended to/allocated as
 required,
 not closed because it doesnt neatly fit some engineers idea of a bug.

 So basicly yes, Yorick is speaking for very many of us.  There is a
 severe usability issue with 2008.8 and its being ignored.  Saying
 its up
 to the community to fix is laughable - we have fixed it, so why is OM
 not listening?

 Yes, I am still peeved by the way the bug was closed - why bother
 raising bugs when it results in actions like this?  Its all very well
 saying its open, give them a chance etc, but eventually, something
 will
 have to change here.

 BillK

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 Nishit, I realy hope that Yorick don't speak for a lot of US.

 There are way and way to make a comment of something is not right: a
 person can:

 A. make in a proposive way, opening tickets, and specificating the
 points that can be done in a different way, or, a person can just
 say:
 B. It doesn't run, It doesn't run, It doesn't run - It is a f**king
 phone - It is a f**king firm.

 You have the fredom of arbitry, we can do all that we want with our
 phone: this is not necessarily a nice thing: the software is far to
 be
 mature, and a lot of things must to be done. It the price of the
 freedom.

 But if you choose the freedom, please don't use B. There are a lot of
 better thing to do.


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Re: softfloat or hardfloat ?

2008-08-28 Thread Michele Renda

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someone know which are the setting used to cross compile Debian in armv4?

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Re: Fennec on Openmoko

2008-08-28 Thread Alasal


Nice,
When I get my FreeRunner (tomorrow), I will try your steps. Maybe you can
put the steps on the wiki?
btw. Someone has already post a bug report for openmoko builds
(https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450929). Hope someone of the
Fennec team responds.

Greetz


quot;Marco Trevisan (Treviño)quot; wrote:
 
 Aapo Rantalainen wrote:
 Is it possible to test Fennec yet?
 
 Is this starting place?
 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec
 
 Well, it runs [1]. Slowly [2] but it runs! :P
 
 I found the quoted page yesterday and I started compiling it with this 
 .mozconfig [3] (and with a fixed Openmoko Toolchain). Building working 
 binaries isn't so easy due to some compilation errors that I was able to 
 fix only workarounding them (I had no time to fix the compilation
 scripts).
 
 However you can find my binaries here [4], they need some external 
 packages like libidl-2-0 that you can grab from the angstrom repo.
 Then, simply put the fennec dir in your freerunner and run ./fennec (use 
 DISPLAY=:0 dbus-launch if you start it from ssh).
 
 [1] http://www.3v1n0.net/openmoko/ - also on scap.linuxtogo.org
 [2] http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/openmoko/fennec-openmoko-mozconfig
 [3] I had to use Xfbdev in my phone [4], maybe Xglamo works a little
  better, however the main problem is the CPU/RAM usage (of X too).
  I've to check if there are some better compilation flags!
  BTW it runs quite well in  maemo, so I hope it will also in Om.
 [4] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-July/000660.html
 [5] http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/
 
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predictive keyboard dictionary

2008-08-28 Thread umaxx

hi,

i use 2008.8-stable and have a question:
where is the dictionary for the standard (qtopia) predictive keyboard
stored and how can i change it to a different language?

i found only an emtpy entry in the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_change_the_dictionary_used_by_the_predictive_keyboards_.3F

regards,

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Re: Partitioning 4GB with the Debian Installer

arne anka wrote:
 secondly, the installer assumes ext2 imo, since etx3 is not recommended  
 for sd card.

That sounds interesting.
I partitioned my 8gb sd-card to use ext3 for the rootfs and added an
extra bootmenu entry for ext3.

But why is ext3 not recommended for sd-card when compared to ext2?

I played with debian on my sd card for over a week without any problems
so far concerning the sd-card. I hope i must not backup my rootfs and
reformat it to ext2. :)

Ciao,
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Re: Partitioning 4GB with the Debian Installer

 But why is ext3 not recommended for sd-card when compared to ext2?

i understood ist because of the additional wear caused by journalling.

 I played with debian on my sd card for over a week without any problems
 so far concerning the sd-card. I hope i must not backup my rootfs and
 reformat it to ext2. :)

well, ext3 is ext2+journal. should be sufficient to mount as ext2, i think.
not sure about u-boot, though.

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Re: ASU keyboards

I will try matchbox keyboard and the illume version this evening.
On 2007.2 i use the matchbox keyboard with a selfmade german layout with
all needed keys including the f-keys. I really loved this keyboard and
would be happy to use my keyboard.xml file in 2008.9. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

Minh Ha Duong wrote:
 While we wait for The Rasterman to tell us Where and When we will find the 
 package for the One Keyboard To Rule Them All ;-) , why not use the matchbox 
 one like we did in 2007.2 just a few weeks ago ?
 
 Here is a recipe, please let me know if it works for you:
 
 1. Get the qwerty button with   opkg install illume-config
 
 2. Hide the qtopia keyboard by manually adding the line
 export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1
 in the file   /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia
 
 3. Install the matchbox keyboard with
 opkg install matchbox-keyboard-applet
 opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod
 
 4. Restart X with  /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
 
 5. Launch the matchbox keyboard daemon by clicking on the Keyboard icon 
 
 I did not install the package   matchbox-keyboard-im   , I don't know what it 
 is for ?
 
 Minh
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Re: 2008.8 update

2008-08-28 Thread Nishit Dave

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just for clarity's sake:
 When using Om2008.8-upgrade, which feeds do we need to use?
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/
 or zecke's feeds?

 or do we have to wait a little bit?
 thanks
 y

 Before the 2008.8_26 release, I was using the Zecke-testing feed to get the
phone in a usable state.  After disabling that feed, some packages just
didn't upgrade, so I had to enable it to update them.

After disabling the Zecke-testing feed again (after last night's upgrade),
opkg can upgrade against the normal OM2008.8-update, although the only
package I could find with an upgrade was Angstrom-version (1 hour ago).

So, anyway, if you have used Zecke's feeds before, do one final upgrade and
then you can be on the mainstream feed.  When will we see significant
updates to it, by the way?
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qtopia 4.3.2 release

2008-08-28 Thread Lorn Potter

Hi all,

Trolltech released Qtopia 4.3.2 this week, and the GPL sources hit the 
ftp server recently.
ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.2.tar.gz

I have updated the flash images for both the 1973 and Freerunner.

The flash images also include the recent fix by tick regarding garbled 
sms messages such as the kind that voicemail messages generates. (thanks 
for that!). You will have to get the source snapshots for this.


Release notes are here:
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/release-4-3-2.html

http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/

Bug reports can be made here:
http://trolltech.com/trolltech/bugreport-form
Or you can email me.

Enjoy!


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Re: Partitioning 4GB with the Debian Installer

arne anka wrote:
 But why is ext3 not recommended for sd-card when compared to ext2?
 
 i understood ist because of the additional wear caused by journalling.
 
 I played with debian on my sd card for over a week without any problems
 so far concerning the sd-card. I hope i must not backup my rootfs and
 reformat it to ext2. :)
 
 well, ext3 is ext2+journal. should be sufficient to mount as ext2, i think.
 not sure about u-boot, though.


I know that ext2 issufficient but ext3 is the successor, so why stick
with the older ext2?
When ext3 makes much more accesses to the filesystem than ext2 you are
right that it is not the best choice for the limited lifecycle that a
flash medium has.
Maybe i should google a bit about this to find a comparision table for
ext2 against ext3 to make a better decision. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

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Re: qtopia 4.3.2 release

 Trolltech released Qtopia 4.3.2 this week, and the GPL sources hit the

slightly ot: is there a chance there will be an eclipse plugin anytime  
soon?

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Re: qtopia 4.3.2 release

2008-08-28 Thread Lorn Potter

arne anka wrote:
 Trolltech released Qtopia 4.3.2 this week, and the GPL sources hit the
 
 slightly ot: is there a chance there will be an eclipse plugin anytime  
 soon?


I do not know offhand, but I can certainly ask about it. I know there is 
one for Qt.

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Fwd: Re: Building for FSO

2008-08-28 Thread Sander van Grieken

.. forgot the list :) ..

--- Original Message 
---
Subject: Re: Building for FSO
From:Graeme Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:Thu, August 28, 2008 12:00
To:  Sander van Grieken [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:48:01 +0200 (CEST)
Sander van Grieken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:42:19 +0530
  sparky mat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  How do I build applications for FSO? Is it the same as mentioned in
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain ? What about the GTK+
  libraries? Are they available?

  Specifically, I am wanted to compile Claws Mail, Ice Weasel and
  Pidgin for FSO Milestone 2? Isn't it feasible to do so?

  If you use OE to build then these applications are already in OE and
  simple to build.

  http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started

 If I understood correctly MokoMakeFile also has support for FSO?

 There are 3 variables that can be uncommented to switch to OE.dev
 (the openmoko ones should then be commented of course).

 Does this work? Is this supported?

Yes that should work perfectly, my lack of sleep made me forget all
about MokoMakefile.

Graeme

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Re: Partitioning 4GB with the Debian Installer

2008-08-28 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano

arne anka ha scritto:
 But why is ext3 not recommended for sd-card when compared to ext2?
 
 i understood ist because of the additional wear caused by journalling.


Yes, in most cases ext3 is used improperly:
ext3 is basically ext2+journal.
This means that you are going to add some overhead to the data that you 
are writing (journal) producing more i/o gaining no new feature.
You are using no such feature because improperly unmounting an ext2 or 
ex3 partition will sort the same effect, you will lose your data.
Someone may say hey but you got the journal, yes you've got it but 
where is it written? in the same place of the fs? usually yes, this 
means that if you unplug the sd the data and the journal are unplugged 
at the same time so your data are still lost. Well you can do something 
better mounting the journal in a different support but unplugging the sd 
will still result in a data lost, the inode and filesystem structure 
could survive because of the journal but the real data will be lost.
So after this explanation the advantages in using a journaled fs vs 
another one are so low that is not convenient.
This is what i've understood reading around, may be something is wrong 
but the idea should be something like that.

Pietro

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Re: ASU keyboards, again

2008-08-28 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:37:23 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 yup yup. don't worry - i understand why :) i speak several langauges myself
 (not italian - but i did study latin, and speak french, german, english,
 japanese, some usable level of portuguese). i definitely get the language
 issues - for both european and asian languages :) yes. the above would
 reduce dictionary size. it would make parsing it much harder.
 I suspected this :/. I did hoped to be wrong...
 
 i am thinking about this... i have some ideas that may improve this... this is
 my thought train:
 
 right now format is either:
 word\n
 word2\n
 etc.
 
 or:
 word 123\n
 word 23\n
 etc.
 (sorted case-insensitive).
 
 the numbers are frequency of use so those used more will have more primary
 position in the match list
 
 1. add a line skip byte at the start of the line - means skipping to the next
 line will be much faster (just jump N bytes as per the byte - if line  255
 bytes then byte-jump == 0 and skip the slow way until newline (shouldn't be 
 very
 common).
 2. extend the line to be:
 
 word NNN match1 match2 match3 ~suffix1 ~suffix2\n

Ok, but from the other side this kind of format wouldn't consider the 
frequency of use of subwords (words composed by the given suffix and a 
prefix); this, actually, is one of the good point of the current scheme.

 so now we have the ability to match and append a suffix. suffix is ~XXX and
 full replacement words are just listed. this should remain fast as i only
 lookup on the first word on the line that is the initial match - so it
 builds a list of candidates. the problem is that once you exceed the base it
 needs to dynamically build matches for all combinations of base + extension.
 also for full replacements (as in the last 2 lines) it needs to be able to
 match these as well, so they end up being full entries too. the real problem 
 is
 generating such a dictionary - i tried to keep the dict format so simple that
 it was trivial to generate. but it'd solve your problem.

Well, before of testing my heavy dictionary with illume, I hoped that it 
would have worked well, but I knew that all this redundancy could have 
caused a problem in parsing (both from the performance point of view and 
from the memory usage one).
I figure that this kind of implementation could help in these situations 
(that I don't think they're so uncommon, I guess that - at least for 
other Latin-derived languages - the dictionary file would be really much 
more greater than the ones in /usr/share/dict).

 anyway. if i am going to go expand the dictionary format, i really need to be
 careful. i kept it simple because i didn't want to solve the worlds dictionary
 problems - i did want to keep it basic but working. as best i can tell the OM
 userbase is still mainly western-speaking (yes - i know we have people here
 from asia! :) not forgetting! just looking at dealing with the majority 
 first!)
 
 anyway... i am mulling this over. the byte-skip may solve some performance
 issues, but this means i now need a special dict generator tool. i was trying
 to avoid that :(

Yes I figured this. Maybe you could support multiple formats (the 
current scheme and the improved one). Majority wuldn't need a tool to 
generate the dict except sort -f.

 as per above - your idea of having a list of suffixes lef me on
 the above path. i have a feeling it still isn't perfect, but it's an
 improvement. it means the dict now knows about prefix and suffix and so when u
 type the root of a word that is conjugated, the dict can even offer the
 conjugated forms as matches. that's good for western langauges

Yes, it is and then would be easier to predict (!= typo fix) too.


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Re: Debian Install failure: Hash Sum Mismatch

2008-08-28 Thread Joseph Reeves

I've set the clock speed down and, after a couple of attempts, I
managed to get all stages of the install script to complete. When
trying to boot, however, I am told that I've got an incorrect magic
number and am kicked backed to the u-boot screen. I assumed I had an
old u-boot (it's never been updated since it left the
pre-mass-production production line) but the latest version gives the
same result. It's reported as:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# grep Bootloader /dev/mtdblock1
Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# grep  Bootloader /dev/mtdblock0
Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12

Although, is this the latest? Yes, I know there's a lot on the lists
about u-boot already, but please somebody take pity on me ;)

The latest u-boot version according to
http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/ReleaseCycle is 1.3.4; 1.3.2 was
released on 09 Mar 2008 and the Debian wiki lists success with the
latest version released on 2008-08-05.

Off topic, but there does seem to be a problem on the wiki about
finding out release dates and version numbers - it takes a lot to stay
on top of it all.

Any ideas about my current problem would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph



2008/8/27 Nathan Kinkade [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 2008/8/27 Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Thanks Nathan, that sounds encouraging.

 I've not found anything too useful yet:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# find /sys | grep clock
 /sys/devices/system/clocksource
 /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0
 /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
 /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
 /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
 jiffies
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

 But I'll keep looking around.

 Cheers,

 Joseph

 This is probably it: /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk

 Nathan

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building ASU @ home

2008-08-28 Thread Arcor

Hi,

is anyone able to build ASU images from the asu.stable branch with 
mokomakefile? Is this know not to work right now? It breaks for me with an 
unresolved symbol in pixman.


Michael

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Re: ASU keyboards

2008-08-28 Thread The Rasterman

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:03:47 +0100 (BST) Tom Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 
  ok. i suck. i have screwed this defsault_profile monkey. 1 last time for 
  the dummies (i.e. - me).
 
  1. opkg install illume-config-illume (get illume's config panel and 
  illume keyboard by default - this should be available)
 
 which repository or repositories should i have enabled to get 
 illume-config-illume?  i'm running 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs with not too 
 much in the way of modification (yet; i only got the phone on 26/8).  i'm 
 sorry if i've jumped in in the middle of the discussion and have missed an 
 important pre-requisite.
 
  2. opkg install illume-config (get qwery button)
 
 that works, yup, thanks.  didn't see a wrench, though, which i was vaguely 
 expecting; have i misunderstood other postings?
 
  2. echo 'E_PROFILE=-profile illume'  
  /etc/enlightenment/default_profile (switch to the illume profile from 
  asu)
 
 sadly, that's what my /etc/enlightenment/default_profile already has in 
 it.
 
  3. reboot (easiest way to get your x session going again as the 
  default_profile is a command-line hack). :)
 
  that should do it!
 
 ummm, it didn't - i just lost the qwerty button, and still the same old 
 keyboard popped up when i entered (eg) terminal.
 
 getting rid of the qtopia keyboard in favour of a full, non-predictive 
 qwerty keyboard is one of my fondest aims at the moment, so i'd appreciate 
 any help you can give, and am happy to test stuff!

then testing does not have the changes i've made in asu.dev - you'll have to
wait until they filter through.


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Re: ASU keyboards

2008-08-28 Thread The Rasterman

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:02:11 +0200 Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 Hi Raster, and hi all,
 
   It's great news to learn that there should be an illume-config-illume 
 package that provides yours keyboard again. This is what we have all been 
 waiting for. But I second Tom's question: we would love to know more 
 precisely when and where it should be available.

i don't know - i am not in charge of making it public. what i will do is work
on FSO in future and put all this stuff over that corner of the woods.

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Re: Debian Install failure: Hash Sum Mismatch

Interesting is, that i updated my  NAND uboot to the latest version in
http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
which was from 27.8 at the time i downloaded it and it displays
1.3.2-moko12 at bootscreen. The last version before i used to update
was from a few weeks before from another location and this version has a
date in the version which shows from when it was.
The NOR bootloader also says 1.3.2-moko12 at the bootprompt, why i
don't really know if i upgraded or downgraded my NAND bootloader. ;)
It is a bit confusing that the newest bootloader image now uses the
nearly same identification string as the quite old one in the NOR flash.

Ciao,
 Rainer

Joseph Reeves wrote:
 I've set the clock speed down and, after a couple of attempts, I
 managed to get all stages of the install script to complete. When
 trying to boot, however, I am told that I've got an incorrect magic
 number and am kicked backed to the u-boot screen. I assumed I had an
 old u-boot (it's never been updated since it left the
 pre-mass-production production line) but the latest version gives the
 same result. It's reported as:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# grep Bootloader /dev/mtdblock1
 Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# grep  Bootloader /dev/mtdblock0
 Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12
 
 Although, is this the latest? Yes, I know there's a lot on the lists
 about u-boot already, but please somebody take pity on me ;)
 
 The latest u-boot version according to
 http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/ReleaseCycle is 1.3.4; 1.3.2 was
 released on 09 Mar 2008 and the Debian wiki lists success with the
 latest version released on 2008-08-05.
 
 Off topic, but there does seem to be a problem on the wiki about
 finding out release dates and version numbers - it takes a lot to stay
 on top of it all.
 
 Any ideas about my current problem would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Joseph
 
 
 
 2008/8/27 Nathan Kinkade [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 2008/8/27 Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Thanks Nathan, that sounds encouraging.

 I've not found anything too useful yet:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# find /sys | grep clock
 /sys/devices/system/clocksource
 /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0
 /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
 /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
 /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
 jiffies
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

 But I'll keep looking around.

 Cheers,

 Joseph
 This is probably it: /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk

 Nathan

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Re: 2008.8 update

2008-08-28 Thread Al Johnson

On Tuesday 26 August 2008, Michele Renda wrote:
 May be you are right. Can you please give me the bug you opened and that
 was closed?

 May be there is a logical explanation of this!
 Thank you
 Michele Renda

While we're on the subject of bugs closed for obscure reasons, can you shed 
any light on why #1442 was closed? Is there really no intention to get the 
headset to work on ASU/2008.x?

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Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-28 Thread Joachim Breitner

HI,

Am Donnerstag, den 28.08.2008, 12:19 +0530 schrieb Ganesha Krishna:
 on an off note; I was testing suspend time day before yesterday,
 battery 100%, Zhone,xterm,keyboard running(minimum apps I need).
 Suspended FR at 3AM. tried to wake it up at 9AM (6hrs). FR battery is
 dead. battery reads 3.16V on multimeter. FR refuses to boot/charge the
 battery. Had to find a different battery to boot then hot swap the
 battery while charging to get back my FR. Lesson learned: Neo likes to
 be plugged in when (user is) asleep.

Quite strange, my Freerunner stays reliably in sleep (unless someone
calls and I don’t notice, of course), and consumes only a reasonable
amount of power – about what Timo reported in the “29 hours in suspend
= 70% battery left” thread.

I use the kernel from 2008-08-05 (too lazy to upgrade). What’s yours?

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: ASU keyboards

2008-08-28 Thread Tom Yates

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

 On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:03:47 +0100 (BST) Tom Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:

 getting rid of the qtopia keyboard in favour of a full, non-predictive 
 qwerty keyboard is one of my fondest aims at the moment, so i'd 
 appreciate any help you can give, and am happy to test stuff!

 then testing does not have the changes i've made in asu.dev - you'll 
 have to wait until they filter through.

thanks for the clarification, rasterman.  i'll keep an eye out for 
illume-config-illume turning up in the output of opkg list.

until then, thanks for the suggestion, minh, i now have the matchbox 
keyboard working fine.


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2008.08 + opkg upgrade VS 2008.08-updates

2008-08-28 Thread François TOURDE

Hi folks,

First, I want to thanks OpenMoko inc. and all the community for the
great job done.

Using my FreeRunner since monday (it has the capacitor already
soldered ^^), I've tested 2008.08 and 2008.08-updates, with the
following images:

2008.08: Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.rootfs.jffs2
updates: 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2

(with uImage and u-boot from the associated source)

On the updates, even if it looks like 2008.08, I'm not able to install
the keyboard from http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner and I can't find
the top-left config icon.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know how ;)

PS: Is there a special sequence to re-flash from NOR or can I upload
rootfs, then u-boot, then uImage, then boot on NAND ?

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Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer

Am Donnerstag 28 August 2008 02:31:13 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
  If it doesn't need to be 2008.8, then you might want to give the
  frameworkd a try, which has been written for exactly these things. There,
  it would be as simple as (python example, but works with all kinds of
  languages of course):

 Is there a way to use this in om2008.8?

Only if you shut down qpe. In general, qtopiacomm, gpsd, and ogsmd (part of 
frameworkd) all fight over exclusively using one modem.


 I've tried to use also mickeyterm from FSO (I'd like to try to dialog
 with my GSM modem for some tests) but it doesn't run.

See above - no muxing.

 Any help to get these libs working in non fso distros?

Well, theoretically, you could use gsm0710muxd and have frameworkd running and 
Qtopia running in parallel (on the 4th MUXed channel).

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Re: ASU keyboards

2008-08-28 Thread John Lee

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:59:53AM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 
 ok. i suck. i have screwed this defsault_profile monkey. 1 last time for the
 dummies (i.e. - me).
 
 1. opkg install illume-config-illume (get illume's config panel and illume
 keyboard by default - this should be available)
 2. opkg install illume-config (get qwery button)
 2. echo 'E_PROFILE=-profile illume'  /etc/enlightenment/default_profile
 (switch to the illume profile from asu)
 3. reboot (easiest way to get your x session going again as the 
 default_profile
 is a command-line hack). :)
 
 that should do it! 
 

hey raster, i ported these stuffs to om.dev, so they should show up in
the testing repo soon.  however, a few problems:

* the qpe keyboard will appear again and replace the illume default
  after any reload operation, e.g. added a new desktop file.  (showing
  a small wheel on the bottom right of screen)

* same thing will happen if i do killall -hup enlightenment

* a reboot will put illume kbd back

efl rev: 35661
illume rev: 35693

any idea ?


Regards,
John

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Re: 2008.08 + opkg upgrade VS 2008.08-updates

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM, François TOURDE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi folks,

 First, I want to thanks OpenMoko inc. and all the community for the
 great job done.

 Using my FreeRunner since monday (it has the capacitor already
 soldered ^^), I've tested 2008.08 and 2008.08-updates, with the
 following images:

 2008.08: Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.rootfs.jffs2
 updates: 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2

 (with uImage and u-boot from the associated source)

 On the updates, even if it looks like 2008.08, I'm not able to install
 the keyboard from http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner and I can't find
 the top-left config icon.

 Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know how ;)

 PS: Is there a special sequence to re-flash from NOR or can I upload
 rootfs, then u-boot, then uImage, then boot on NAND ?

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for your information:
I also installed the theme today and I also lost the keyboard
I do have the keyboard button in the left top (you have to install
illume-config for that one)
Since the keyboard didn't work for me anymore I installed the matchbox
keyboard (the default one was unusable for me anyway).
When the testing-branch produces illume-config-illume i'll install
rasters keyboard

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Re: WLAN troubles

2008-08-28 Thread -stacy

When I was playing with the WLAN on the FreeRunner (about a month ago) I 
ran into an issue where my AP thought the FR was in power saving mode 
even though the FR didn't think so (or at least iwconfig said it was 
off). If I issued a
# iwconfig eth0 power off

that would fix it.

That was with 2007.02 and I haven't tried WLAN with anything more recent.

-stacy

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Re: 2008.8 update

2008-08-28 Thread William Kenworthy

Its been posted previously - Ticket #1778 (closed defect: worksforme)

It wasnt language per se - but an engineers narrow view.  i.e., he was
tasked to supply a keyboard, and he did and it works so bug closed.
Nothing to do with fit for purpose at all.

OM does not see to have a formal way like most OS projects of posting
bugs and then wrangling them to the best person to deal with
enhancements or to deal with poor choices in design.  I really get the
impression thats its commercial trying to be open, but still sufferering
from take what we give you and shut-up, not interested of tightly
structured commercial projects.  In this case a design decision was made
to supply that particular keyboard and it will not be revisited -
tough :(  They will fix bugs in it, but wont do anything about the fact
that the whole concept is defective in the context of the freerunner and
its current demographic.

By the way, the history, gripes and dissatisfaction with this choice can
be seen weeks before I raised the bug - but it still happened.  I dont
expect the furore to die down until OM make it easy to manually replace
the stupid thing.

BillK




On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 12:24 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
 Bill,
 
  sms mode.  The bug was closed  with what to an English speaker means
  its working, so go away.  This certainly teed me right off.  In
 ...
  Yes, I am still peeved by the way the bug was closed - why bother
  raising bugs when it results in actions like this?  Its all very well
  saying its open, give them a chance etc, but eventually, something  
  will
  have to change here.
 
 Sorry to hear that.
 Thank you very much for posting the bug!
 Can you post some URLs? Which bug are you referring to? Who closed it  
 in a way that offended you?
 
 Please remember that Openmoko is a very global team. Sometimes it's  
 just a language issue that the friendliness gets lost in translation...
 Thanks again for helping us with our project. The more (high quality)  
 bugs you report the better for all of us since we are developing Free  
 Software!
 Best Regards,
 Wolfgang
 
 On Aug 26, 2008, at 9:38 PM, William Kenworthy wrote:
 
  The problem is OM are not responding in a way that reassures us that
  2008.8 is being shaped to our concerns.  I raised a bug that the  
  default
  2008.8 keyboard was almost impossible to use in anything but an  
  english
  sms mode.  The bug was closed  with what to an English speaker means
  its working, so go away.  This certainly teed me right off.  In
  postings since, its been explained that this was actually because of  
  the
  way the bug reporting system works with engineering, and it doesnt  
  work
  like we are used to in most opensource projects where you can raise a
  bug about ANY concern and it will be attended to/allocated as  
  required,
  not closed because it doesnt neatly fit some engineers idea of a bug.
 
  So basicly yes, Yorick is speaking for very many of us.  There is a
  severe usability issue with 2008.8 and its being ignored.  Saying  
  its up
  to the community to fix is laughable - we have fixed it, so why is OM
  not listening?
 
  Yes, I am still peeved by the way the bug was closed - why bother
  raising bugs when it results in actions like this?  Its all very well
  saying its open, give them a chance etc, but eventually, something  
  will
  have to change here.
 
  BillK
 
  On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 14:06 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
 
  Nishit, I realy hope that Yorick don't speak for a lot of US.
 
  There are way and way to make a comment of something is not right: a
  person can:
 
  A. make in a proposive way, opening tickets, and specificating the
  points that can be done in a different way, or, a person can just  
  say:
  B. It doesn't run, It doesn't run, It doesn't run - It is a f**king
  phone - It is a f**king firm.
 
  You have the fredom of arbitry, we can do all that we want with our
  phone: this is not necessarily a nice thing: the software is far to  
  be
  mature, and a lot of things must to be done. It the price of the  
  freedom.
 
  But if you choose the freedom, please don't use B. There are a lot of
  better thing to do.
 
 
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Re: ASU keyboards

2008-08-28 Thread The Rasterman

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:56:34 +0800 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:59:53AM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  
  ok. i suck. i have screwed this defsault_profile monkey. 1 last time for the
  dummies (i.e. - me).
  
  1. opkg install illume-config-illume (get illume's config panel and illume
  keyboard by default - this should be available)
  2. opkg install illume-config (get qwery button)
  2. echo 'E_PROFILE=-profile illume'  /etc/enlightenment/default_profile
  (switch to the illume profile from asu)
  3. reboot (easiest way to get your x session going again as the
  default_profile is a command-line hack). :)
  
  that should do it! 
  
 
 hey raster, i ported these stuffs to om.dev, so they should show up in
 the testing repo soon.  however, a few problems:
 
 * the qpe keyboard will appear again and replace the illume default
   after any reload operation, e.g. added a new desktop file.  (showing
   a small wheel on the bottom right of screen)

yes. you ALSO need to go add the export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 to the
qtopia launch script (as per other threads) i was assuming people had done that
already :)

 * same thing will happen if i do killall -hup enlightenment
 
 * a reboot will put illume kbd back

i know - qpe is still creating its own. it needs to be told to turn it off with
the environment variable. there isn't any other way to do it right now.

 efl rev: 35661
 illume rev: 35693
 
 any idea ?
 
 
 Regards,
 John


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Problems on setting up ad-hoc networks using openmoke phones and X60 laptop (intel IPW3945)

2008-08-28 Thread Jun Yi

 Hi everybody,

  I am planning to set up an ad-hoc network between a lenovo x60 laptop 
(Fedora 9, update to the newest, IPW3945 802.11ABG, the interface is wlan0 ) 
and the phone (kernel 2.6.24, freerunner, the wireless interface is eth0). I 
hacked this problem for two days, and I observed the following anormalities.
  1,  X61 can see the ad hoc cell.  I use iwlist wlan0 scan. The output 
displays the ad-hoc network cell id (xx:xx:xx---), ssid name (), and the 
same frequency, and the encryption is off.  But on the other side,  the phone 
can not see the ad hoc cell. I use iwlist eth0 scan, the output only shows the 
cell established by some access points (master mode). I am sure that the 
setting at the phone is correct (ifconfig eth0 down, iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc, 
essid , channel xxx, enc off, ifconfig eth0 up). 

 2,  Then I ping X61 from the phone, I use wireshare (a packet sniffer 
tool, like tcpdump) to sniffer the received packets at X61, I can see X61 
received ARP requests from the phone and sent ARP replies back to the phone, 
but the phone did not get any ARP replies. Therefore the phone continue sending 
ARP request messages. What's the reason does the phone not receive packets 
correctly? too noisy?, can not unencrypt packets?

 3, I ping the phone from X61. I observe from tshark that ARP requests are 
already sent out, but no ARP requests are received at the phone, observing by 
using tcpdump -i eth0 host 192.168.100.200, which is the ip address of X61.

 4, at the phone, sometimes the changes of channel (using iwconfig eth0 
channel N) can not take effect, no matter how long I wait, even if I use 
ifconfig eth0 up frequently. The wireless adaptor (AR6000) at the phone always 
tries to stick to the original one

 5, I can access an access point, and whereby access the internet.

 6, I use iwconfig eth0 to list the status of the phone wireless adaptor. 
The sensitivity is read 0/3, and the link quality is read sometimes 0/94, and 
sometimes 100/94. What does that mean? Does that mean the sensitivity threshold 
is too high, so the wireless adaptor treats signals as noise?  But I tried to 
set sensitivity (iwconfig eth0 sens NdBm). The output says that the wireless 
card does not support this operation. 

    7, I check the ouput of all related commands (e.g., /etc/hosts, 
/etc/resolv.conf, netstat -nr, route).  pretty sure that routing is not a 
problem.

    Does anybody have the successful experience to setup an ad-hoc network 
using openmoko phones? I am very frustrated.

    Thanks very much

Jun



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Re: USB cable hacking

gmane.org not forwarding emails correctly? sorry for double posting in
case it gets fixed. see my post bellow:


On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:45:36 +0200
Harald Koenig
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(HK) wrote:

I've modified battery.py a bit to display the (de)charging current too,
my script version attached...

Cool :) I had to erase the first ^M after python and then all is great,
thank you :)

Btw, is there a way to see on my host computer how much current is
being supplied to the usb port? Or perhaps better question, at what
stage of the boot up process does FR start charging it's battery? Or
does it charge even when not booted up?

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Re: Reloading Illume

gmane.org not forwarding emails correctly? sorry for double posting in
case it gets fixed. see my post bellow:


On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:27:45 +0200
Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
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Hello I often edit illume configuration/files that are loaded by
illume only on startup. To apply my changes I've to restart X (and so
and qpe and other X related processes).
Is there a way to reload (or kill and restart it) illume without 
restarting X?

I figure that there is something since the few times that e/illume 
hanged, I got a message to reload it.

oh, how do you edit btw?

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GPS hardlocks OM2008.08

When I run any program which uses GPS (Tango, locations, orrery,
agps-ui) after some time OM hangs and nothing works. The only remedy is
to remove the battery. On the other hand all these programs work fine
while GPS is turned off. Just turning on GPS does not seem to produce
the same effect unless some program is using it. I think it started
after that update which fixed GSM problem. Any ideas?

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Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 01:10:25AM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 If it doesn't need to be 2008.8, then you might want to give the frameworkd a 
 try, which has been written for exactly these things. There, it would be as 
 simple as (python example, but works with all kinds of languages of course):
 
 [ code example ... ]

Hey Mickey,

thanks a lot for the example. Looks like it's eventually gonna be FSO
for me. Good to know someone is supporting the ol' script-it-yourself
style. :)

Ole


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Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 04:20:38PM -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:
 
 
 Ole Kliemann wrote:
  Hi everyone!
  
  I'd like to have a file where I put in
  
  phonenumber /path/to/shellscript
  
  Everytime an incoming call matches one of the numbers in this file,
  the device just hangs up and executes the corresponding script.
  
 
 Cool application. This plus Arduino could be the bases of some nice 
 remote control.

What I was planning to do:

I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
mail.


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Re: qtopia 4.3.2 release

2008-08-28 Thread Cédric Berger

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:06, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have updated the flash images for both the 1973 and Freerunner.

 The flash images also include the recent fix by tick regarding garbled
 sms messages such as the kind that voicemail messages generates. (thanks
 for that!). You will have to get the source snapshots for this.

Thanks.
But I do not understand : the fix is included in the flash image ? So
why will have to get the source snapshots for this ?

Was the rootfs updated in the flash image since 2008/08/08 version (I
mean except /opt/Qtopia) ? Or is it the same to start from 2008/08/08
and use the Qtopia update only ?
I did not opkg upgrade anymore since 0808 because it did not work for
me... what about now ? is it safe ? (and from which repository ?)

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Linus Gasser

Ole Kliemann a écrit :
 What I was planning to do:
 I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
 script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
 FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
 internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
 connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
 mail.
   
Some operators block such numbers that are just called and never 
answered. I had my number banned from the network for a similar application!

Ineiti

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Re: 2008.8 update

2008-08-28 Thread Al Johnson

On Thursday 28 August 2008, Michele Renda wrote:
 Al Johnson wrote:
  While we're on the subject of bugs closed for obscure reasons, can you
  shed any light on why #1442 was closed? Is there really no intention to
  get the headset to work on ASU/2008.x?

 Where you inserted this bug?

Not me. I just found it yesterday when someone asked about the headset not 
working. Looks like it was filed, and finally closed, by Openmoko QA. 

 I watched the bug 1442:

 It seem to be that was setted as Qtopia bug, so they will not fix it.
 So I think they are working on the last framework, so they will not fix
 it in Qtopia, but in AsU (2008.8 and newer).

 Then it is only a my opinion, but I don't think that Openmoko doesn't
 want to let us to use our headset.

I hope so, but the problem still exists in 2008.8 (Raster image plus zecke 
updates) and the ticket is closed so I fear it won't get any attention.

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Re: GPS hardlocks OM2008.08

I do store maps on sim, but it hardly the cause, since all these
programs hang the system while only tango uses these maps.

On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 22:14 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
 I seem to have better luck starting with openmoko-agps and waiting until
 a solid lock before starting tango - wholly subjective though.
 
 I suspect the problem is the SD card where I have the maps stored as the
 display seems to corrupt in such a way as to suggest it couldnt load a
 map when needed.
 
 BillK
 
 On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 08:41 -0500, Alexey Kurochkin wrote:
  When I run any program which uses GPS (Tango, locations, orrery,
  agps-ui) after some time OM hangs and nothing works. The only remedy is
  to remove the battery. On the other hand all these programs work fine
  while GPS is turned off. Just turning on GPS does not seem to produce
  the same effect unless some program is using it. I think it started
  after that update which fixed GSM problem. Any ideas?
  
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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Joseph Reeves

We have a Asterisk/FreePBX combination at work. My account is setup to
email me any voicemails I receive as wav files. I can't help but think
that an IMAP client on the phone would be an easier solution to the
one you've proposed.

Joseph



2008/8/28 Ole Kliemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 04:20:38PM -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:


 Ole Kliemann wrote:
  Hi everyone!
 
  I'd like to have a file where I put in
 
  phonenumber /path/to/shellscript
 
  Everytime an incoming call matches one of the numbers in this file,
  the device just hangs up and executes the corresponding script.
 

 Cool application. This plus Arduino could be the bases of some nice
 remote control.

 What I was planning to do:

 I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
 script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
 FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
 internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 16:17 +0200, Linus Gasser wrote:
 Ole Kliemann a écrit :
  What I was planning to do:
  I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
  script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
  FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
  internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
  connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
  mail.

 Some operators block such numbers that are just called and never 
 answered. I had my number banned from the network for a similar application!

Sue the bastards. It's not my fault nobody wants to talk to me!


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Re: 2008.8 update

2008-08-28 Thread Michele Renda

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Al Johnson wrote:
 On Thursday 28 August 2008, Michele Renda wrote:
 Al Johnson wrote:
 While we're on the subject of bugs closed for obscure reasons, can you
 shed any light on why #1442 was closed? Is there really no intention to
 get the headset to work on ASU/2008.x?
 Where you inserted this bug?
 
 Not me. I just found it yesterday when someone asked about the headset not 
 working. Looks like it was filed, and finally closed, by Openmoko QA. 

I think they can not to solve it, if it is a Qtopia bug. I think it will
be better, when they close a bug, to write 2 lines why they close the
bug, so people will not thing they was ignored.

What do you think about, Wolfgang?
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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 04:17:56PM +0200, Linus Gasser wrote:
 Ole Kliemann a écrit :
  What I was planning to do:
  I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
  script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
  FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
  internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
  connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
  mail.

 Some operators block such numbers that are just called and never 
 answered. I had my number banned from the network for a similar application!

I thought about this too. Guess it could happen, I will see. ;-)


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Re: Workaround for suspend/resume SD card problems

2008-08-28 Thread Simon Matthews

On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 18:38 +0200, AVee wrote:

 Depending on your usage of the SD card you could also workaround the issue 
 with a few symlinks. When the card is wrongly mounted just add symlinks to 
 the new location of the content of the card in /media/card/. Once you did 
 that /media/card will either contain the contents of the card (before 
 suspend) or valid symlinks to the content of the card (after suspend) which 
 works just as well.

I can't see how this will help if you are booted off the SD card and your
whole file system is on the card. Also this bug/fault is corrupting the
information on the SD card. If it is indeed a bug with the SD card
driver not providing enough SD clock cycles for the card to finish
executing commands it needs to be fixed with modification to the SD card
driver.

My workaround is only providing more clock cycles to the SD card. I
would be interested to know if anyone else has tried it and if it works
for them.

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Re: Reloading Illume

2008-08-28 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)

Petr Vanek wrote:
 On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:27:45 +0200
 Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MT() wrote:
 
 Hello I often edit illume configuration/files that are loaded by
 illume only on startup. To apply my changes I've to restart X (and so
 and qpe and other X related processes).
 Is there a way to reload (or kill and restart it) illume without 
 restarting X?
 
 oh, how do you edit btw?

Well the edje files should be decompiled with edje_decc and recompiled 
with edje_cc.

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 03:29:32PM +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote:
 2008/8/28 Ole Kliemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
  script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
  FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
  internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
  connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
  mail.

 We have a Asterisk/FreePBX combination at work. My account is setup to
 email me any voicemails I receive as wav files. I can't help but think
 that an IMAP client on the phone would be an easier solution to the
 one you've proposed.

I think it depends on the amount of mail and what you want to do. I
thought of it as a kind of MMS replacement. The ability to send larger
messages with possible multimedia content and having immediate
notification. 

If you have some friends who are willing to use a system like that, then
message can be passed with notification within this group for a very low
price. I pay 24euro-ct/MB and only for every started 10kb. On the other
hand the amount of messages passing through this system will be low. 

AFAIK to have immediate notification with IMAP you have to either keep a
connection open or check for new mails in intervals. Both will cause
costs.


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Re: GPS hardlocks OM2008.08

2008-08-28 Thread Erland Lewin

2008/8/28 Alexey Kurochkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 When I run any program which uses GPS (Tango, locations, orrery,
 agps-ui) after some time OM hangs and nothing works. The only remedy is
 to remove the battery. On the other hand all these programs work fine
 while GPS is turned off. Just turning on GPS does not seem to produce
 the same effect unless some program is using it. I think it started
 after that update which fixed GSM problem. Any ideas?


I wonder if this is what I'm seeing right now, but actually the Freerunner
is just running extremely slowly. I was logged in with SSH over usb0, before
it became super slow, and it takes minutes between keypresses and a reaction
in the shell. I'm trying to start 'top' now, but I don't know if I'll have
time to wait to see what's taking all the time. I am running the 'locations'
app.

Here's a dump from top:

top - 14:54:33 up  1:55,  2 users,  load average: 11.36, 11.75, 12.29
Tasks:  71 total,   1 running,  69 sleeping,   1 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s):  0.8%us, 18.2%sy,  0.0%ni,  0.0%id, 80.9%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
0.0%st
Mem:123856k total,   122028k used, 1828k free,   88k buffers
Swap:0k total,0k used,0k free, 6788k cached

  PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+
COMMAND
  139 root  15  -5 000 D  5.7  0.0   3:10.78
kswapd0
  291 root  15  -5 000 D  5.0  0.0   3:15.29
mmcqd
 1460 root  19  -1 18084 9716   76 D  2.5  7.8   4:13.59
Xglamo
 1530 root  20   0  3916  400  220 S  0.8  0.3   0:22.70
batget
 1780 root  20   0 31416  876  176 D  0.4  0.7   0:25.55
diversity-daemo
 1803 root  20   0  2252  444  228 R  0.4  0.4   0:10.59
top
 1545 root  20   0 47432 1712  144 D  0.3  1.4   0:14.03
mediaserver
 1402 root  20   0  3064  312  104 S  0.3  0.3   0:16.44
connmand
 1349 haldaemo  20   0  4096  676  252 D  0.3  0.5   0:11.54
hald
5 root  15  -5 000 S  0.3  0.0   0:30.99
events/0
 1511 root  20   0 16800 3104   28 S  0.2  2.5   0:41.74
enlightenment
 1512 root  20   0 85436  10m   56 D  0.2  8.3   1:06.05
qpe
 1778 root  20   0 18124 6900   64 D  0.2  5.6   2:04.96
om-locations
 1342 messageb  20   0  2244  280   44 S  0.1  0.2   0:11.26
dbus-daemon
1 root  20   0  1524   80   16 S  0.1  0.1   0:07.00
init
 1405 root  20   0  3340  520  260 D  0.1  0.4   0:12.75
wpa_supplicant
 1528 root  20   0  1508   76   16 S  0.1  0.1   0:02.94
wifiget

Hmm. Problem seems to be memory full as recently reported in
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/001484.html and
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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Joseph Reeves

Good points.

I very rarely take an interest in my voicemail (despite berating
people for not using it more) and yes, an IMAP solution may incur
extra cost. VM as MMS is an interesting idea; I look forward to seeing
how it pans out!

Joseph



2008/8/28 Ole Kliemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 03:29:32PM +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote:
 2008/8/28 Ole Kliemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I have VoIP for telephony at home and asterisk running on my server. A
  script on the server checks my email. If it finds new mail it calls the
  FR. The FR does not accept the connection, instead it connects to the
  internet and gets the email. It does not cost anything as no phone
  connection is established. And I have immediate notification on new
  mail.

 We have a Asterisk/FreePBX combination at work. My account is setup to
 email me any voicemails I receive as wav files. I can't help but think
 that an IMAP client on the phone would be an easier solution to the
 one you've proposed.

 I think it depends on the amount of mail and what you want to do. I
 thought of it as a kind of MMS replacement. The ability to send larger
 messages with possible multimedia content and having immediate
 notification.

 If you have some friends who are willing to use a system like that, then
 message can be passed with notification within this group for a very low
 price. I pay 24euro-ct/MB and only for every started 10kb. On the other
 hand the amount of messages passing through this system will be low.

 AFAIK to have immediate notification with IMAP you have to either keep a
 connection open or check for new mails in intervals. Both will cause
 costs.

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Re: GPS hardlocks OM2008.08

On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:07 +0200, Erland Lewin wrote:
 2008/8/28 Alexey Kurochkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 When I run any program which uses GPS (Tango, locations,
 orrery,
 agps-ui) after some time OM hangs and nothing works. The only
 remedy is
 to remove the battery. On the other hand all these programs
 work fine
 while GPS is turned off. Just turning on GPS does not seem to
 produce
 the same effect unless some program is using it. I think it
 started
 after that update which fixed GSM problem. Any ideas?
 
 I wonder if this is what I'm seeing right now, but actually the
 Freerunner is just running extremely slowly. I was logged in with SSH
 over usb0, before it became super slow, and it takes minutes between
 keypresses and a reaction in the shell. I'm trying to start 'top' now,
 but I don't know if I'll have time to wait to see what's taking all
 the time. I am running the 'locations' app. 

When memory is low performance usually decreases gradually as you described. In 
my case it stays responsive until suddenly locks, so I doubt it is memory 
problem.

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Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-28 Thread Michael

On 22/08/08 04:19:10, Vikas Saurabh wrote:
 Awesome details.
 
 I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, 
 so
 would
 stick to the morse code idea :).
 Would send out the details (and wiki them).
You should try looking up some old ZX Spectrum assembly routines, 
because back in those days you had to write everything to the screen 
yourself and it should be similar to the hardware nowadays.

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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

2008-08-28 Thread julien cubizolles

Le vendredi 25 juillet 2008 à 14:59 -0700, Lars Formella a écrit :

I've been using your theme ever since I found it. Thanks for your work.
I've noticed something stranged : the installer (assassin) menu doesn't
appear on the lower part of the screen any more when I use the theme.
It's not that I use it a lot though...




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Re: Workaround for suspend/resume SD card problems

Is it possible to execute some script every time the neo comes out from
suspend only once?

I would like to suspend it with a manually script which enables the
sd_idleclk, syncs the sd-card, waits a few seconds and then go to sleep.
But after resume i want to disable sd_idleclk automatically so that the
gps works without problems. And i don't want to do the sd_idleclk
de-/activation trick when starting a gps app.

Fox Mulder wrote:
 Maybe it is possible to get a workaround for this problem until it is
 fixed. When using a custom suspend script we maybe could do this stuff
 manual.
 
 When i would suspend the neo i start a script which first activates the
 sd_idleclk. Than it activates some access to the sd card and after that
 suspend the neo. And after resuming maybe reverse these steps.
 This is quite a workaround, but when it works i'm willing to do this
 until the problem gets fixed. :)
 
 Ciao,
  Rainer
 
 Simon Matthews wrote:
 With my 8G Sandisk SD card, i can reliably fix the problems i have been
 having by turning on the SD clock all the time. To do this type the
 command
 echo 1  /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_idleclk
 then do something that will access the SD card before doing a suspend.

 This of course won't do the GPS much good, but i think the real fix
 might be to give the SD card more clock cycles before and after commands
 to give it time to finish executing commands.

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Re: Windows CE on freerunner

2008-08-28 Thread Hugo Mills

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 04:55:49PM +0100, Michael wrote:
 On 22/08/08 04:19:10, Vikas Saurabh wrote:
  Awesome details.
  
  I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting, 
  so
  would
  stick to the morse code idea :).
  Would send out the details (and wiki them).
 You should try looking up some old ZX Spectrum assembly routines, 
 because back in those days you had to write everything to the screen 
 yourself and it should be similar to the hardware nowadays.

   I wouldn't use the Spectrum as a model -- it had a really weird
non-linear frame buffer layout. In fact, none of the 8-bit micros'
code would be much help, as they typically had 1 byte per pixel,
rather than the more common 1-4 bytes per pixel of modern displays.
IIRC, the Amiga also had strange display hardware, so I'd rule that
one out as a model as well. :)

   Hugo.

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Re: GPS hardlocks OM2008.08

Alexey Kurochkin wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 17:07 +0200, Erland Lewin wrote:
 2008/8/28 Alexey Kurochkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 When I run any program which uses GPS (Tango, locations,
 orrery,
 agps-ui) after some time OM hangs and nothing works. The only
 remedy is
 to remove the battery. On the other hand all these programs
 work fine
 while GPS is turned off. Just turning on GPS does not seem to
 produce
 the same effect unless some program is using it. I think it
 started
 after that update which fixed GSM problem. Any ideas?

 I wonder if this is what I'm seeing right now, but actually the
 Freerunner is just running extremely slowly. I was logged in with SSH
 over usb0, before it became super slow, and it takes minutes between
 keypresses and a reaction in the shell. I'm trying to start 'top' now,
 but I don't know if I'll have time to wait to see what's taking all
 the time. I am running the 'locations' app. 
 
 When memory is low performance usually decreases gradually as you described. 
 In my case it stays responsive until suddenly locks, so I doubt it is memory 
 problem.

I got the same problem when the memory usage comes to it's limit. I can
work with the neo many hours without any problems as far as i stay below
the memory limit. As soon as an application use too much memory it gets
slower and slower until it freezes in the end.
The only way to stop this is to kill the application which consumes too
much memory. But this is tricky because locally the neo doesn't
recognize inputs very well anymore so i have to kill it over ssh. After
killing this app the neo runs fine again. :/

Ciao,
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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

2008-08-28 Thread Brock

On 2008.08.28.17.03, Ole Kliemann wrote:
| I think it depends on the amount of mail and what you want to do. I
| thought of it as a kind of MMS replacement. The ability to send larger
| messages with possible multimedia content and having immediate
| notification. 

Another idea is to do the same thing with SMS. I know there are
email-SMS gateways so the phone wakes up on SMS then does a pull of
whatever you want. Could be used for all sorts of push like things.

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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:11 PM, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Le vendredi 25 juillet 2008 à 14:59 -0700, Lars Formella a écrit :

 I've been using your theme ever since I found it. Thanks for your work.
 I've noticed something stranged : the installer (assassin) menu doesn't
 appear on the lower part of the screen any more when I use the theme.
 It's not that I use it a lot though...




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Happened to me too. But I'm actually glad :). I really hated that menu
ever since it's no longer possible to enable double tap to launch
apps.
I just added a .desktop file to launch it.

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Re: Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-28 Thread Ganesha Krishna

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:10 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on an off note; I was testing suspend time day before yesterday,
 battery 100%, Zhone,xterm,keyboard running(minimum apps I need).
 Suspended FR at 3AM. tried to wake it up at 9AM (6hrs). FR battery is
 dead. battery reads 3.16V on multimeter. FR refuses to boot/charge the
 battery. Had to find a different battery to boot then hot swap the
 battery while charging to get back my FR. Lesson learned: Neo likes to
 be plugged in when (user is) asleep.

 Quite strange, my Freerunner stays reliably in sleep (unless someone
 calls and I don't notice, of course), and consumes only a reasonable
 amount of power – about what Timo reported in the 29 hours in suspend
 = 70% battery left thread.

 I use the kernel from 2008-08-05 (too lazy to upgrade). What's yours?

uname says 2.6.24, I installed Debian last friday night. have not
upgraded since.



 there has to be crucial change in one of the last updates.
 i upgraded tuesday night and seem to see the same problem -- i still use
 the kernel from installation, but the power goes down really quick.
 took it from the charger at about 8:00 and now it is at about 40%, though
 i had it suspending.

There are some (good?) developments to the story. After completely
recharging the battery (100% as shown by the gadget pannel) I put it
to sleep at 2PM, intending to wake it up in 4 hours. The boss calls a
meeting etc etc and I am able look at the FR only at 9PM (7hrs). I
open the FR fully expecting to go thru the hot swap process again BUT,
viola FR wakes up and it still has 48% juice (3.8V open circuit).
   These only difference between this experiment and the 6hrs total
drain is that

Experiment 1: 6 hrs total drain
1. FR has been running, sleeping etc for more than 12 hrs.
2. Was plugged in most of the time.
3. the performance of the phone was already extremely sluggish (due to
long up time ?)
4. battery charged to 100%
5. put to sleep

Experiment 2 : 7hrs and 48% left
1. The battery was totally drained.
2. battery charged to 100% thru AC adapter
3. put to sleep _immedietly_ (* this step could be the key)

Before putting to sleep in exp 1, 'top' had showed 'events/0' taking
upto 60% CPU time averaging around 35 -40%, second in line was python
(I have openmoko-panel-plugin running) at 14% and above.

I am just putting these numbers out, I have not idea if/how these will
have any effect at all on the sleep time.

Thanks,
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Re: Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

 Before putting to sleep

what exactly are you doing when putting to sleep?

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Re: Workaround for suspend/resume SD card problems

2008-08-28 Thread -stacy

Simon Matthews wrote:

   I
 would be interested to know if anyone else has tried it and if it works
 for them.

Works for me. Two shell scripts:

/etc/apm/suspend.d/00sd_idleclk
which contains


#!/bin/sh

echo 1  /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_idleclk

touch /home/root/.profile
sync;sync;sync


and
/etc/apm/resume.d/00sd_idleclk
which contains


#!/bin/sh

echo 0  /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_idleclk


with that, suspend and resume works as expected.

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Re: GPS hardlocks OM2008.08

2008-08-28 Thread -stacy

Alexey Kurochkin wrote:
 When I run any program which uses GPS (Tango, locations, orrery,
 agps-ui) after some time OM hangs and nothing works. The only remedy is
 to remove the battery. On the other hand all these programs work fine
 while GPS is turned off. Just turning on GPS does not seem to produce
 the same effect unless some program is using it. I think it started
 after that update which fixed GSM problem. Any ideas?

I noticed a similar problem, it seems to be too many programs trying to 
talk to the GPS device at the same time. Tangogps uses gpsd while 
locations uses diversity-daemon. I have been playing with a version of 
gpsd that I compiled myself so I would have UBX support, I noticed that 
the diversity daemon really didn't like it when I kicked the GPS into 
UBX mode. I killed off the diversity daemon and gpsd/tangogps have had 
no problems since.

-stacy

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Re: Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-28 Thread Ganesha Krishna

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:10 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Before putting to sleep

 what exactly are you doing when putting to sleep?

Good question, before the power drain experiment, I tried the hold
power button for 2 seconds. that did not work at all (I atributed it
to sluggish UI, hardware stuck some where ('events')). I also have
shell script on desktop that does apm -s. so I ran it to 'put FR to
sleep'. Today Holding down power button for 2 seconds worked. This
difference did not register in my mind until you asked. thanks.
is there any difference ?

I had disabled all radios except GSM in both cases


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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

2008-08-28 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)

Lars Formella wrote:
 because i personally dislike the build in asu/illume theme - in german we
 call it augenkrebs ;) - i created a new fresh one myself with some tango
 icons. 
 
 you can find it here:
 http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/

To have a better experience with this cool Illume theme in my Freerunner 
I've updated the moko gtk theme to make it use the same colors of the 
illume-sun theme. Now it looks really better to me: [1], [2] and [3].

To use it simply replace the standard gtkrc with my file [4] in 
/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.

It's mainly based on the moko theme from Om2007.2 repo and I've tested 
it only with the engine moko-gtk-engine_0.1.0+svnr4411-r0_armv4t.ipk


PS: I'd suggest to set the illume_sun.edj dialog bar color to COLOR_BG

[1] http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/Illume-tangoized+moko-sun-gtk-tangogps.png
[2] http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/Illume-tangoized+moko-sun-gtk-midori.png
[3] http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/Illume-tangoized+moko-sun-gtk-controls.png
[4] http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/moko-sun-gtkrc

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Re: GPS hardlocks OM2008.08

On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 10:49 -0600, -stacy wrote:
 Alexey Kurochkin wrote:
  When I run any program which uses GPS (Tango, locations, orrery,
  agps-ui) after some time OM hangs and nothing works. The only remedy is
  to remove the battery. On the other hand all these programs work fine
  while GPS is turned off. Just turning on GPS does not seem to produce
  the same effect unless some program is using it. I think it started
  after that update which fixed GSM problem. Any ideas?
 
 I noticed a similar problem, it seems to be too many programs trying to 
 talk to the GPS device at the same time. Tangogps uses gpsd while 
 locations uses diversity-daemon. I have been playing with a version of 
 gpsd that I compiled myself so I would have UBX support, I noticed that 
 the diversity daemon really didn't like it when I kicked the GPS into 
 UBX mode. I killed off the diversity daemon and gpsd/tangogps have had 
 no problems since.

I do not think diversity-daemon runs unless you started locations.

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New tslib xsrelease with right click

2008-08-28 Thread Sebastian Ohl

Hi,

there is a new upstream release in the debian repository. so here is a
new package with the right click by tap+hold patch. it can be downloaded
from http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.5-1
+fso1_armel.deb . you also have to change your pointercal file because
the package is now based on the new debian package. just download it
from http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal-fso and save
it to /etc/pointercal .

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tslib xserver input driver debian packge, addition

2008-08-28 Thread Sebastian Ohl

Hi,

with the new package the second patch is also added to the package. this
patch makes it necessary to add a new line to your xorg.conf. 

Option  EmulateRightButton1

just add it to you InputDevice section. Without this line the old
behavior of the tslib driver is restored - this means no right click
 
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Folders in application launcher?

2008-08-28 Thread Linus Gasser

Hello,

I'm running now the Openmoko2008.08 version on the Freerunner and begin 
to be very happy with it. For the moment there is one thing I don't see 
how to do:

- How to make folders in the application launcher?

I installed quite a number of games (to convince my wife that the price 
of the phone is correct ;), but they clog up the application-launcher 
(or whatever the first screen that comes up is called). I'd like to put 
them into a Game-folder. But simply making a folder (mkdir) doesn't 
work. Any ideas?

Thanks,

ineiti

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Re: New tslib xsrelease with right click

2008-08-28 Thread Joachim Breitner

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 28.08.2008, 19:34 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ohl:
 there is a new upstream release in the debian repository. so here is a
 new package with the right click by tap+hold patch. it can be downloaded
 from http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.5-1
 +fso1_armel.deb . you also have to change your pointercal file because
 the package is now based on the new debian package. just download it
 from http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal-fso and save
 it to /etc/pointercal .

Note that this is the same pointercal file shipped with the debian
installer, so you only have to use that if you were using Sebastian’s
tslib driver before. If you install it for the first time,
your /etc/pointercal should be fine.

Greetings,
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Re: 2008.8 update

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:21:40AM +0200, Yorick Moko wrote:
 Just for clarity's sake:
 When using Om2008.8-upgrade, which feeds do we need to use?
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/
 or zecke's feeds?
 
 or do we have to wait a little bit?
 thanks
 y
 
Hi,
Basically, the repository is same as zecke's feeds.
The repository on downloads.openmoko.org which
bulit everyday from a Om2008.8 (ASU-stable).

You can change your feed to refer to 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/

By the way, you can see the Testing branch is a mess. Cause we
are still working on that.

We will focus on om-dev branch in the feature. Therefore the
feed, Om2008.8, won't change fast right now.

Best Regards,

-Julian

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Re: Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

 is there any difference ?

afaik only insofar as frameworkd sedates the modem before calling.
re the draining: there _has_ to be a change in the latest updates.
i tried to resume my fr a few minutes ago -- and it was stone dead!
after putting on usb and a second, successful attempt (into 2007.2 since  
it is the default) amp said the battery was at 0%!! after only about 13h  
and most of the time suspended.

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Re: WLAN troubles

2008-08-28 Thread Derick Rethans

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, -stacy wrote:

 When I was playing with the WLAN on the FreeRunner (about a month ago) I 
 ran into an issue where my AP thought the FR was in power saving mode 
 even though the FR didn't think so (or at least iwconfig said it was 
 off). If I issued a
 # iwconfig eth0 power off
 
 that would fix it.

That indeed did the trick - how peculiar. What was even weirder is that 
I tried it at work today with a fancy new WPA2 accesspoint, and it was 
working fine there as well.

Thanks!

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Re: Repository and Images

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 01:15:30PM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote:
 Le mardi 26 août 2008 à 21:07 +0800, Julian Chu a écrit :
 
  
Holger did some changes in ASU-stable branch. We built it and put on
downloads.openmoko.org.[2]
  
[2]http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
 Does this mean that it includes the fix to ticket #1766 ?
 
 Julien.

Hi Julien, I am Julian.

As far as I know, Zecke did a commit and trying to fix it.
(the revision of qtopia-phone-x11 is 9971aa8a...)

As Yorick's report in Trac, it seems didn't be fixed yet.

Best Regards,

-Ju1ian

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Re: USB cable hacking

2008-08-28 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen

On 2008-08-27, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wednesday 27 August 2008, Daniel Dadap wrote:
  Problem is, the ID pin apparently exists only on the Mini-B connector,
  and doesn't have a corresponding wire inside the USB cable. Has
  anybody on the list done USB connector hacking, and have any tips on
  how to get a resistor in there without interfering with plug in
  operation?

 It's worse than that - the only UK source of mini-B plugs I've found is
 Maplin, and the connector only has 4 solder pads :-( They don't bother
 exposing the ID pin as it's so rarely used. So far as I can tell RS, Farnell,
 Rapid Electronics, CPC don't stock the plugs at all. Has anyone found a
 supplier? It's looking like I'll have to fall back on maplin plus surgery and
 delicate soldering...

You can order them from www.elfa.se (stock # 42-710-11), but the
shipment is very expensive.

http://www1.elfa.se/elfa~eu_en/go.jsp?s=eu-ena=0/4778F92F724F5297E1000A0A036A/4778373A724F5297E1000A0A036A/47783DB1724F5297E1000A0A036A/47783E27724F5297E1000A0A036A

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Re: Repository and Images

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:01:59AM -0600, Vince M. Clark wrote:
 Great work on the repositories. Thank you. 
 
 One question for clarification. To use testing or dev repositories would I 
 first install the updated stable image and then use test or dev repositories 
 for updates? 

Hi,
As the name of the repository, it is still on Testing.
It is not recommend to use it unless you are hardcore
developer.

If you really wants to use the repository, download the image in
http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
and install the qtopia stuffs :)

Best Regards,

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Re: which updates for Om 2008.8 ? - Was: Re: Repository and Images

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:06:07AM +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:
 Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Well, actually, I had a network problem, and made a false assumption
 on that. opkg does indeed upgrade now the network is configured OK.
 
  I'm puzzled... How is one supposed to upgrade from the initial 2008.8
  ? re-flash the daily built stable ?
 
 
 I suppose the upgrade path is clear, then : opkg update + opkg upgrade
 with feeds from [3].
 
 Sorry about bothering.
 
 Still, this may be helpful though :
 
  Is there a changelog of bugs fixed somewhere ?
 
 
 I'll try and update the wiki unless someone's quicker in doing so.
 
 Best regards,

Hi Olivier,
   Thanks for your work :-)

   is the git log helps you?
   http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=log;h=org.openmoko.asu.stable

Best Regards,

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Re: Repository and Images

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:57:37PM +0930, Rod Whitby wrote:
 
 Will you be autobuilding from the OE git repository or the OM git
 repository?
 
 If the latter, will non-Openmoko staff have commit rights?
 
 If not, then we will still need autobuilders for the community
 distributions, since there is no automatic syncing from repositories
 with community commit rights to the Openmoko repository as far as I am
 aware.
 
 -- Rod
 

Hi Rod,

   We auto-build from OM git tree.
   And we still trying to make it close to OE git tree.

   If the non-Openmoko staff means some project from community, we have
   a community repository.

   http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/

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FSO - DPI issues (remote X clients)

2008-08-28 Thread rhn

Hello
I've just put my hands on the new shiny (GTA02) and been trying to set it up in 
a workable manner.
So far so good - GPS tested, wifi has a startup script, I can connect (as 
usually with desktops) to a remote host to run common apps on it (i.e. instant 
messenger, Firefox).

Everything seems to be working fine, except of the GTK applications. They all 
have oversized fonts, taking up a significant part of the screen without a good 
reason. The scrollbars seem to be the same on a pixel-per-pixel basis as on big 
screens.
Firefox's rendering pages well, but the UI elements suffer the same problem.

I've tried to make this go away by creating an entry in gconf: 
/desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi, but it didn't seem to change anything.
The X server reports a normal (small) resolution.

Or maybe I'm missing the fact that those fonts are already scaled?

How do I change the DPI so that any GTK X client knows what is right for me?

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Re: FSO - DPI issues (remote X clients)

2008-08-28 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer

Am Donnerstag 28 August 2008 22:13:24 schrieb rhn:
 How do I change the DPI so that any GTK X client knows what is right for
 me?

Please don't. It is set correctly.

Instead you might want to change the default size to something reasonable:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/local/pkg/fso/framework/framework# cat /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
gtk-font-name = Sans 5

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Re: Questions about FR (ASU)

2008-08-28 Thread Mikael Berthe

Hi,

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-26 14:28 +0200]:

 I would like to know if there is a pdf ready (in test or release) for ASU ?

There's evince in the repository (for OM2008.8).

HTH,
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Re: Fourth Request: What is the warranty for the FreeRunner?

2008-08-28 Thread Leonti

I think this is just the difference in mentality.
I'm from Russia, and here when you buy something you have to believe only to
what you see.
If a company says It's the best thing in the world I don't believe it. But
I see that it's good. So I buy it.
Here the situation is similar. OpenMoko sells GTA02 as a GSM phone. But I
read mailing list. I study wiki. I know that the phone has some important
issues. But I still love the phone and the idea despite of the fact of
issues.
But I also would like to have replacement parts shop :)

Vince M. Clark wrote:

I would expect OM to warranty hardware defects. A DIY fix is acceptable as
long as it doesn't require special tools or create potential to do more
damage. I would much rather have OM ship me a replacement part than have
to send the phone back.

- Original Message -
From: Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussion
community@lists.openmoko.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:34:14 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver
Subject: Re: Fourth Request: What is the warranty for the FreeRunner?

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Leonti wrote:
In my opinion having only DOA right now is a good thing.
Right now Freerunner is a phone for developers and they should accept
the
fact that it can have some imperfections.
I want this project to grow.
Do you imagine what would happen if everyone had warranty and discovered
gps
fix issue? Openmoko would broke on repairs (more on shipping costs).
But when it will be in a mature stage I thing we will need a warranty of
some kind.

I have to disagree, this phone was sold as a GSM phone, if for instance
the GSM buzzing issue needs
a repair that cannot be done by the end user then I think OM is
responsible for fixing that issue,
otherwise (at least in the US) they can be held accountable for false
advertising, as with the
buzzing the phone is unusable as a GSM phone which was its primary
purpose.

I am sure they will take care of this issue though, and do the right
thing. When the first batch
of gta02 phones were sold, the Developer only and not usable as a
primary phone issues were not
well spelled out (if at all), and not spelled out at all on the OM store
front. They have done a
better job now of informing potential buyers, but there were an awful lot
of phones sold initially
without that disclaimer.

I for one would have waited for GTA03 or later if it had been spelled
out, just as I skipped GTA01
because it was well spelled out it was an alpha prototype for developers
only.

IMHO GTA02 was initially sold as Ready for end users or at least
Usable as a primary phone,
which turned out to be incorrect. I think the endless discussions on this
list are due to that mis
perception by many of the people who bought the first batches of GTA02's.

I only partially regret my early purchase though. I can afford to have a
$400 play toy, it has kept
me busy for hours on end trying to get it to work the way I want, however
that will change if I
can't fix the GSM buzz issue, the way I have been able to fix many of the
other issues.

--
Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com

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I partially agree with Jim Morris. I surely don't regret buying my FR
and I'm finding it a great toy. But he's right: it was sold to me as a
phone and I expect GSM usability from it in the future. It was not
advertised as a developer only phone, but as a phone ready for mass
production. At this moment people refuse to call me on the FR because
of the buzz.

I'm very happy that the hardware engineers (like Joerg) are working on
this problem, because it really should be top-priority. I'm also still
hoping they find a sollution.
If not I will consider myself lucky that I bought it from a European
distributor and will use my warranty...

But I'm a patient man; Go Hardware Engineers! :-)

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Re: Repository and Images

2008-08-28 Thread julien cubizolles

Le vendredi 29 août 2008 à 03:15 +0800, Julian Chu a écrit :
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 01:15:30PM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote:
  Le mardi 26 août 2008 à 21:07 +0800, Julian Chu a écrit :
  
   
 Holger did some changes in ASU-stable branch. We built it and put on
 downloads.openmoko.org.[2]
   
 [2]http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
  Does this mean that it includes the fix to ticket #1766 ?
  
  Julien.
 
 Hi Julien, I am Julian.
 
 As far as I know, Zecke did a commit and trying to fix it.
 (the revision of qtopia-phone-x11 is 9971aa8a...)
 
 As Yorick's report in Trac, it seems didn't be fixed yet.

I'm running raster's image upgrade to the Om2008.8-update repos and I
can make/receive calls as I could with zecke's repos. So for me it's
fine.


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