Re: Integrating telepathy and opim and fso [Was: Revamping Elmphonelog]
On Monday 28 September 2009 16:07:47 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Renamed to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TelepathyIntegration Rui Err... ummm, I don't want to insult anyone but you may want to look up the word you are using. I realize that English is a second language for most of you but to make it easier for people to perform a proper look up, the word you want is telephony. Telepathy is something quite different and will get you all sorts of crackpots accessing you site. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Integrating telepathy and opim and fso [Was: Revamping Elmphonelog]
On Monday 28 September 2009 16:29:17 Marcel wrote: They actually mean telepathy as in telepathy, since there's an IM client named telepathy they want to use. Of course also for telephony. :) -- Marcel Oops, then I withdraw my comment. You are still going to get some weirdo's accessing the site but then they can be quite entertaining sometimes. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Re: linphone
On Monday 21 September 2009 17:11:18 Tschaka wrote: Hi John, i have two positive suggestion for you. first is: i got linphone to play and record sound!! with the hints from the mail you quoted, the packages there (dunno if neccessary) and a self-created alsa state file [1], it works. i moved the /etc/asound.conf file somewhere else (dunno if neccessary, try it out), loaded up the state file and now can make calls. however there is one problem: you will hear yourself with a 1 sec delay occasionally. try to edit the state file and finetune it. second is: you can add contacts through rightclicking on the contacts thingy in linphone. now there is the literki keyboard (you can find it through searching the mailing list), which lets you open up an emulated mouse with pointer and right and left click. read rusolis' announcement for further instructions. simply rightclick on the contacts area, click on add and off you go. hope this helps. Please report back your experiences with the asound.conf removal and your results. Greetings! The removal of the asound.conf file just caused the audio to not work. I have not delved very far into the inner workings of the Neo so I don't know if any errors are available to report. Since there is no messages file I can't list it here. I'm presuming that you meant me to use the state file that you linked to in your email. I put it on the neo and rebooted (don't know how to load the state machine from the command line). Your new state file had no discernible effect on the quality of the audio. It was still very broken up and delayed and exactly the same as the original state file. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: Re: linphone
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: linphone Date: Monday 21 September 2009 From: John Dowd jdowds...@gmail.com To: Johan Thelmén j...@home.se On Saturday 12 September 2009 05:18:35 you wrote: I use this. http://87.227.108.179/neo/linphone-3.1.0/ But because of printed audio errors witch we can see if running from commandline, I had to remove /etc/asound.conf But it should probably be fixed in application instead. Used this to build it http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building SHR I also remember there was some problem with the mic audio setting. But I used it oneway with asterisk. Johan, It's installed now and working over the wifi and the audio even works after a fashion. My next problem is that it doesn't seem to have a way of recording the numbers that I would call. Since this is a demo I don't want the person presenting to have to type in the SIP address everytime. Is there a way of adding SIP phone numbers to the caller list? Right now it appears but I can't see how to put anyone into the list. Cheers! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 --- -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: linphone 3.1.0
On Monday 21 September 2009 16:35:18 MicVM wrote: Has somebody of you guys managed to run linphone3 in shr in the meanwhile? I tried every possible statefile and asound that i found on the mailing list (also tried without asound.conf) but still no success. The standard voip statefile is ok for the microphone, but no sound comes out of the earpiece. Any ideas? I was able to get linphone to work as far as installed and running with no apparent errors. The audio is broken but is playing, I can hear the voice from the PBX coming through when I dial in for voicemail. It's broken but loud enough to hear. I have done no changes to any of the audio system so the defaults that come with a SHR-unstable download and linphone 3.1.0 should be how it's currently setup. Not much help I'm afraid. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SHR-U: More Adventures with Wifi
I'm now trying to just run the Neo with no Wifi encryption (the AP doesn't
like something about the Neo's WPA handshake... next weeks problem) and with a
static IP address (the Neo's dhcp client s/w doesn't like something about the
DHCPOFFER message from the AP... next month's problem).
So I have the following in the interface file under /etc/network:
# Wired or wireless interfaces
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
address 192.168.1.20
network 192.168.1.0
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.1.1
up route del default gw 192.168.0.200
And here is the contents of the wpa_supplicant.conf file:
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=0
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=1
# Open:
network={
ssid=Asterisk
key_mgmt=NONE
priority=80
}
Now, when the Neo boots, it appears that the wpa_supplicant.conf file does get
accessed and the AP can be seen allowing it into the network. However, once
the Wifi part is done the default route through the usb0 interface is still
there. The last line up route del default gw 192.168.0.200 does not have any
effect and, the usb cable is not even plugged in but when I use the Neo's
terminal to look at the route table, there's the default route which I believe
confuses the TCP/IP stack on the Neo and I can't shell into it (I have read
the Wifi page about Neo and have done the subsequent mods.).
Has anyone been able to get the Neo to setup properly for Wifi access at boot?
Cheers!!
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SHR-U: Mokonnect...
I've run into a problem using Mokonnect. I configured it once and now I can't delete that configuration. I scanned for an AP, selected the one I wanted, entered in the connection information for it. I inadvertently did not add a password and now it will not let me change that setting. the password field is unselectable and I can never connect to that AP. Also, the scan goes on forever now. the easiest way to fix the AP information stuff would be to blow away the file that has the information in it so that the next time I run the app it looks like the first time but I can't find the file. Anyone know where it is? I already tried to remove Mokonnect and then re-installing it but the information persisted. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR-U: Mokonnect...
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 10:53:08 Valery Febvre wrote: I think The file you are looking for is: /usr/share/mokonnect/mkconfig.py Yeah, I found it and blew it away and now the installation does look like a new one. The big problem now is that the scan function of Mokonnect no longer works. Bummer. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR-U: Mokonnect...
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 10:53:08 Valery Febvre wrote: I think The file you are looking for is: /usr/share/mokonnect/mkconfig.py Yeah, I found it and blew it away and now the installation does look like a new one. The big problem now is that the scan function of Mokonnect no longer works. Bummer. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR-U: Mokonnect...
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 11:24:20 Warren Baird wrote: I must admit that even though I generally prefer gui tools for this kind of thing - life got a lot easier once I bit the bullet and just created a wpa_supplicant config file with all the networks I usually connect to in it. Warren, Thanks for the advice. I'm a big time user of scripts and I hate GUI's. However, the use of Mokonnect is a last gasp effort to get the Neo to connect to my AP (Access Point). I would prefer to use the normal linux init scripts but I've been finding some bizarre behaviour with them. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Icon issue with SHR-unstable...
On Tuesday 15 September 2009 03:45:36 Robin Paulson wrote: yes, png will work fine which icon theme are you using? i've got the nEo theme installed in shr-u, and it changes the root of the pixmaps dir to a different location (dunno how, must be a conf file somwhere), so the location on my machine becomes /usr/share/icons/nEo/86x86/apps I didn't change any themes once I had loaded on the SHR-U load. I had a look and there was a directory /usr/share/icons/shr/86x86/apps and I copied the png file for linphone to it. No joy. Thanks for the help though. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a SIP based phone application
On Friday 11 September 2009 18:13:15 Giovanni wrote: twinkle http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Twinkle Thanks but since I'm using SHR, I'm not certain that the package can be easily imported since Twinkle is for a debian installation. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a SIP based phone application
On Monday 14 September 2009 09:22:10 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: http://www.openapathy.org/screenshots/ Designed for the freerunner, uses elementary. Laszlo Thanks Laszlo, looks promising but I will probably be done by the time this application is actually available to the SHR-unstable distro. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a SIP based phone application
On Monday 14 September 2009 09:41:41 m k wrote: there is a repo to get linphone from: /repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4thttp://www.google.com/bookmarks/u rl?url=http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4 t/ei=b0OuSvC5BIuCoQP1qvylDAsig2=DXiPCcdvLtcV6EH7ZZsp9gct=b using opkg install linphone linphonec linphone-rings and This Page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone to setup via linphonec i managed to log into http://iptel.org/ and even got it to play some nice music to me by dialling the test number - but .. this only works by using the stereoout.state. As soon as i switch to voip-statefile there is no way to get as much as a blip out of linphone :( The same statefile worked under Debian using Twinkle so i have no clue whats different. Thanks to everyone who replied and you were all very helpful. It looks like linphone is the app of choice simply because it installs as is with the SHR- unstable packages right now. I actually don't need the audio to work, I just need the SIP protocol stack to work. Linphone seems to do that although the GUI is a bit messed up on the Neo display. There is a lot of text crowding and improper sizing of the various dialog windows and icons but I can live with that for now. Apathy would be nice if it was actually available but it seems to be a bit of a ways out for a delivery to the SHR-unstable package list. Twinkle seems to only be available for a debian system and I'm not about to try and tangle with package importing right now. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Icon issue with SHR-unstable...
I can run the Linphone app but on the neo main display the linphone icon is shown as the default (or unknown) icon of a blank page. The linphone app has a linphone.png file under /usr/share/pixmaps (I just copied it there) but after I rebooted, it's still the blank page showing. Where should the linphone icon file go and is a png format the correct format to use for SHR? Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Need a SIP based phone application
I'm still struggling with the Wifi side of the Openmoko Neo but I'm sure all of the problems are resolvable. However I well ultimately need a SIP phone application in the end. I'm running the SHR-unstable load and I'm wondering if anyone knows of such an application? I was using the linphone application when I was using the OM-2008 distro but that distro has been discontinued and the linphone app is no longer available. The URL used to download linphone no longer exists. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...
On Wednesday 09 September 2009 01:39:54 Paul Fertser wrote: You certainly want to consult http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources wikipage; it's frameworkd syncing resources on startup and thus turning everything off. Thanks Paul. I installed the fsoraw utility (funny, I did a opkg search fsoraw and found nothing, then I did a opkg list | grep -i fsoraw and saw it in the list. Then I typed opkg install fsoraw and voila, it installed). I managed to get the fsoraw utility to start the wpa_supplicant applications and I could see the wpa handshake being done on the AP (Access Point) side. Then the udhcpc (busybox dhcp client) started up and did it's usual round of ignoring the response to its DHCPDISCOVER messages (this is why I want to get dhclient). Eventually it actually did send a DHCPACK and it had an IP address. I spent too long congratulating myself and gloating because just as I issued the ssh r...@wifi-ip-address-of-my-neo the AP log said that the wifi had been disassociated and the Neo was showing that the wifi timed out due to inactivity. This is a few steps forward. Thanks for the help. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wireless Signal Power Levels...
I've been working with the wifi aspect of the Openmoko trying to setup for a SIP based phone system. One problem that I've been having that someone pointed out is that the signal levels may be one problem that I'm running into. When I have a wireless connection and I do a iwconfig on the Neo side, the signal level is being shown at -147dBm. Apparently that is very low and the expected working level should be around -90dBm. I'm running the AP (Access Point) using hostapd on PC with a USB wireless dongle so I do have access to the AP and settings. My question is: is the signal level really a problem and is there a simple configuration setting that I can use to try and fix it? Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...
On Friday 04 September 2009 16:23:51 George Brooke wrote: usb0 should now be ethX just look in dmesg to see what number its taken. solar.george Respectfully, who cares what the interface is called on the Neo side, this does not reflect back to the device (in this case a laptop) at the other end of the usb cable. That device (the laptop) does not see any ethernet i/f because the Neo is not starting one. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...
On Tuesday 08 September 2009 11:00:52 George Brooke wrote: I mean on the laptop side 1. Plug neo into laptop 2. run dmesg on laptop [ 9359.352059] usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 [ 9359.566175] usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices [ 9359.914928] eth2: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-:00:1d.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:70:8f [ 9359.915323] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether [ 9359.962215] udev: renamed network interface eth2 to eth5 3. look for lines like the above which tell you that my neo is at eth5 Bingo, it works and you are correct, it's now on eth1. Good thing I put that Respectfully at the start of my reply or I might have to buy your beer for the rest of my life. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...
On Tuesday 08 September 2009 12:24:41 George Brooke wrote: No problem, glad it got sorted out. solar.george I can now manually configure the wireless interface but I need to come up automatically during boot and start the dhcp client. I can see that the kernel does boot and somewhere during init the interface is brought up. However, somewhere later during the init the wireless interface is being shutdown. If I go into the Setup application I can see that the wireless option is turned off. If I turn it back on it then the interface does come up. However, it is not persistent across boots. How do I turn off the current system setting of turning off the wireless interface? I have a wlan script in the /etc/init.d directory and once I manually bring up the wireless interface I can run it and it does configure the interface properly. Also, I'm running into the same problem with the busybox udhcpc application that I've seen before. It does not see the DCHPOFFER from the AP. It ignores it and continues to issue the DCHPDISCOVER. There was a application dhclient that ran on the OM2009 distro. Is there anything available here on the unstable SHR? One person mentioned that the problem was that the Signal level (which is -147dBm) is way too low and should be at least -90dBm. Where would I change this? I have some control over the AP if that is where the change needs to be. And on more piece of information that I need I can bring up the shell on the Neo but the keyboard that pops up does not have an obvious way to insert (or type) a carriage return. There has to be a way? Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...
I need to setup the Openmoko phone to use a wireless (WPA2 encryption) connection so that I can then use a SIP phone application to connect to a AP that runs Asterisk. I have the AP system in place and in fact I've been able to configure the Neo using the older om2008 load to set this up and I could demonstrate it working. That was much earlier this year. The system has been sent back to me to make it more robust and consistent. The previous system was very hard to get working. The biggest problem was that the dhcp client (Busybox udhcpc) would most often just ignore the response to it's DHCPDISCOVER message sent by the AP. It would accept it eventually but with a boardroom full of customers, telling them that it would connect eventually doesn't seem to mean much to them. I just recently replaced the udhcpc application with the dhclient application and this worked much better. I would like to do this demo using the more recent SHR loads since the om2008 series seems to be abandoned. I have a few issues and I'm wondering if someone knows how to get around them. I've put the lastest stable load of SHR on. I have been able to get the wireless to work by modifying the various wpa_supplicant and init.d files by hand but, the phone comes up without the wireless chip turned on so I have to go into the settings application and actually turn it on. It's not persistent. I then have to run my init script and then it connects (I can see the wpa handshaking being done on my AP). However the DHCP client dhclient doesn't appear to be available under SHR and I have to fall back to busybox's udhcpc. It just doesn't seem to work. According to the SHR project page, I could use Mokonnect to configure all of this but it's not available to the stable version and I tried to load the unstable package but it gives me startup errors and then gacks. I've tried to put a unstable SHR load on the Neo but then I run into all sorts of incompatibility issues and I get things like the usb0 interface is unavailable and I therefore can't then get at the Neo to fix things. Is there a magic combination here that I can put together so that I can use the wireless interface with the SHR load? I'll deal with the SIP phone application after I get this up and running. Cheers!! -- To Err is human, to forgive is NOT company policy. John Dowd S/W Contractor email: jdowd at gmail dot com Cell: (613)316-7884 Home: (613)234-7884 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2008-12] Default route under wifi always has the USB default route as well...
I followed the instructions on the wiki for setting up the interfaces file under /etc/network. On the wiki page they have the following for the wireless interface: # Wired or wireless interfaces auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf up route del default gw 192.168.0.200 up route del default gw 192.168.0.200 On the wiki page they mentioned to put the route delete line twice since the first one did not seem to ever work. Well, putting it twice never works either. Has anyone been able to successfully remove the USB interface as the default route? I can do it once I've ssh'd to the device with a simple command but I'm trying to automate this device as much as possible since it's going to be used in demonstrations by people who have no clue. Cheers!! -- John Dowd email: jdowdster at gmail dot com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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[OM2008-12] syslog output...
I see the syslog.conf file says to put the messages in /var/log/messages but there is no file and no logged output. I really need to see the log from when the system was booting. syslogd-ng is actually running so where is its output? Cheers!! -- John Dowd 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 email: jdowdster at gmail dot com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008-12] syslog output...
yes it does, thanks! On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Thursday 22 January 2009 20:48:43 schrieb john dowd: I see the syslog.conf file says to put the messages in /var/log/messages but there is no file and no logged output. I really need to see the log from when the system was booting. syslogd-ng is actually running so where is its output? Cheers!! Doesn't logread show the syslog? IIRC it does Correct me if I'm wrong. :) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 email: jdowdster at gmail dot com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008-12] syslog output...
Actually I spoke too soon. When I watch my FR boot, I can see the wpa_supplicant is printing out some errors and a fair amount of text as to what the error is. When I do a dmesg those messages are not there, when I do a logread to a file and examine the file, it's not their either. Also, logread is the output from the driver and kernel printk primitive, not what I would see in a proper syslog which is where wpa_supplicant and various startup daemons would print. Cheers!! On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:58 PM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote: yes it does, thanks! On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Thursday 22 January 2009 20:48:43 schrieb john dowd: I see the syslog.conf file says to put the messages in /var/log/messages but there is no file and no logged output. I really need to see the log from when the system was booting. syslogd-ng is actually running so where is its output? Cheers!! Doesn't logread show the syslog? IIRC it does Correct me if I'm wrong. :) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 email: jdowdster at gmail dot com -- John Dowd 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 email: jdowdster at gmail dot com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2008-12] Wireless interface won't accept the DHCP offer...
I've configured the FR to use dhcp to get an IP address through the wireless interface after it connects to the AP using WPA2. This has been working for quite some time. I did have the occasional event where the FR would get booted but it would just start cycling along doing the dhcp discover and after a few minutes of this I would reboot the FR and the next time up it would come and finish the connection and I would have a good wireless connection to the FR. I control both ends (I've created the AP using a laptop, USB wireless dongle and the s/w application hostapd). The FR boots and negotiates the wifi access but when it comes to the dhcp negotiation its failing. I can see the AP listing the DHCP DISCOVER message and sending to the FR (I know its the FR since the MAC address is correct) the DHCP OFFER. The FR only prints the DHCP Discover message and never seems to see the DHCP OFFER. I haven't done any changes to the s/w on the FR and this problem usually does go away after a few minutes but its now been a few hours and doesn't seem to be fixing itself. I'm wondering what kind of scenarios can occur where the dhcp client just can't use the dhcp server's offer? Cheers!! -- John Dowd 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 email: jdowdster at gmail dot com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[boot loader] Error messages from boot loader, are they written to FLASH?
I've worked in other environments with embedded devices and usually, the boot loader will write any error or information output to FLASH which can be pulled out and looked at after the fact. I've noticed that the u-boot for Neo writes some message to the console and then overwrites it as it recycles back to the boot loader menu. Is there a way to see this message? While trying to use the AUX and Power button to navigate and then fumbling for a magnifying glass to read the screen, I am never able to really read the message that is coming up. I'm trying to setup my Neo to boot from the uSD. Cheers!! -- John Dowd jdowd at slashdevslashnull dot org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...
Thanks guys!! On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 john dowd wrote: I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported: Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 dfuERROR, clearing status Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 dfu_upload error -84 This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future. Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks? Cheers!! -- NeoTool will backup your root partition to a flashable jffs2 without using dfu-util http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool Regards, - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJbRonFbVnQRV3OEYRApQwAKCm9M/V1hJ/5vtWthVIotL6rU8CKwCfTypI 0Sr1/X6Y+q6DMatM/IWygQ0= =D7Ag -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...
Well I tried the NeoTool but it has its limitations. I was going to copy my current configuration to the uSD card as the backup. I tried the wiki page Booting From SD and was going to prepare the uSD card by partitioning it. I then saw that there is an entry: /dev/mmcblk0p1 49792048497872 0% /media/card when I do a df. When I go to the mount point I found this file: qtopia_db.sqlite What the heck is this file doing there? From what I understand, I must partition the uSD and then copy kernel rootfs to the various partitions. Why would an app. have grabbed the uSD card? Cheers!! On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:48 AM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks guys!! On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 john dowd wrote: I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported: Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 dfuERROR, clearing status Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 dfu_upload error -84 This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future. Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks? Cheers!! -- NeoTool will backup your root partition to a flashable jffs2 without using dfu-util http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool Regards, - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJbRonFbVnQRV3OEYRApQwAKCm9M/V1hJ/5vtWthVIotL6rU8CKwCfTypI 0Sr1/X6Y+q6DMatM/IWygQ0= =D7Ag -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [no distro] What console s/w are linux people using to communicate with the Neo FR boot loader?
Well, I tried Neocon, whenever I press a key I just get the message [closed] printed out for every key and no joy talking to the device. Is there a console program out there that works right now and that people are using to communicate with the Neo Freerunner? On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:38:30 -0800 (PST) Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net wrote: john dowd wrote: I've been using minicom but its a disaster. Unless some has settings that they would like to share. [...] Search the wiki for a program called neocon, that seemed to work for me. [...] Haven't tried using serial terminal software with OpenMoko, but in general, have found cutecom to have a nice GUI interface. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jdowd at slashdevslashnull dot org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [no distro] What console s/w are linux people using to communicate with the Neo FR boot loader?
OK, it was a integration problem between the keyboard and my chair. I ran it as root and voila it works. Thanks everyone who responded. Cheers!! On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:08 PM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I tried Neocon, whenever I press a key I just get the message [closed] printed out for every key and no joy talking to the device. Is there a console program out there that works right now and that people are using to communicate with the Neo Freerunner? On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:38:30 -0800 (PST) Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net wrote: john dowd wrote: I've been using minicom but its a disaster. Unless some has settings that they would like to share. [...] Search the wiki for a program called neocon, that seemed to work for me. [...] Haven't tried using serial terminal software with OpenMoko, but in general, have found cutecom to have a nice GUI interface. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jdowd at slashdevslashnull dot org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 -- John Dowd jdowd at slashdevslashnull dot org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...
I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported: Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 dfuERROR, clearing status Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 dfu_upload error -84 This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future. Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks? Cheers!! -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...
To be clear, you are saying that this is a u-boot issue? I usually go and sacrifice a few chickens and make sure that it's a new moon before I update a bootloader. Especially when I don't have a debug board or external way of updating flash. Cheers!! On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net wrote: john dowd wrote: I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported: Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 dfuERROR, clearing status Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 dfu_upload error -84 This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future. Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks? You should update uboot to get it completed. Uboot-git has a fix for this. BTW you can follow the Backup wiki, and generate a jffs2 via ssh without dfu-utils ;) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for sale: openmoko phone
Which version of phone, Free Runner or 1973? Has it the GPS fix? On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM, jamal h...@cyberus.ca wrote: Salut, Ive been sitting on an openmoko phone i bought when the website first came up in July/Aug 2008. It is in good shape given i hardly used it. Make me an offer in Ottawa - I will meet you at some coffee shop and exchange it for cash. cheers, jamal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2
True but you never know where knowledge is waiting to be revealed! I have also posted the question on the PBX On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 30 December 2008, john dowd wrote: I'm wondering if someone could verify the following SIP interaction between linphone and the s/w PBX that I'm running. This would be better directed to the linphone list as it's unlikely to be openmoko-specific. It might help to say which PBX it is too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2
Sorry, my finger slipped and I posted before I was finished typing... I have also posted the question on the PBX site (Asterisk). Since SIP is a standard and Linphone isn't, I didn't really want so much of a linphone slanted answer but a SIP application answer. Cheers!! On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:45 PM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote: True but you never know where knowledge is waiting to be revealed! I have also posted the question on the PBX On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 30 December 2008, john dowd wrote: I'm wondering if someone could verify the following SIP interaction between linphone and the s/w PBX that I'm running. This would be better directed to the linphone list as it's unlikely to be openmoko-specific. It might help to say which PBX it is too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?
I'm sure someone has mentioned this application before but just in case, have you ever heard of using the accelerometer to check the batter status? The application that I heard about was: when the application is running, you shake the FR just like you shake an opaque water bottle to determine if its full or not, the application will cause the phone to gurgle with the appropriate pitch in sound that you would get if the FR's battery was full, half emtpy or empty. This would be way kewl!! Cheers!! 2008/12/20 François TOURDE fr...@tourde.org: Le 14230ième jour après Epoch, Lothar Behrens écrivait: Am 17.12.2008 um 13:16 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes: Is there a way to do this ? while true; do if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then alert fi sleep 120 done this is a starting point :-) I've a small script that works as a daemon, checking interval depends on the charge (described on a file), play sounds (except when charging) depending on the current charge. There is no doc, no install proc, it's not packaged, but it can be done easily... The config file (default values in the script) contains: # Les différents niveaux THRESHOLDS=100:20:1200: 20:10:600:low 10:5:150:critical 5:0:30:emergency Each group of check parms is max:min:delay:sound If level is between (_max_,_min_), the aplay _sound_.wav and wait _delay_ for next check. Hope it helps. -- PR: Le serveur (de news) de PacWan est en panne depuis le mois de juillet ! AT: A mon avis ils vont finir par s'en apercevoir, mais il risque de manquer des articles. -+- in: Guide du Cabaliste Usenet - La Cabale se propage (mal) -+- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help. I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this is really going to suck. I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be appreciated. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes: extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to the debian archives directly? Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M of space but SD cards are cheap. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the username for the user account of the registration. In the configuration files of the cli version its set correctly. I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even try. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the registration details from one and paste it into the other. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help. I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this is really going to suck. I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be appreciated. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes: extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to the debian archives directly? Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M of space but SD cards are cheap. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify it and see if that gets it working. Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question (for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use. Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the proper icon file? Thanks for all your help Al. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the username for the user account of the registration. In the configuration files of the cli version its set correctly. I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even try. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the registration details from one and paste it into the other. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help. I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this is really going to suck. I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be appreciated. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes: extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to the debian archives directly? Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M of space but SD cards are cheap. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2
I have a Neo freerunner running the 2008.9 load. I have it configured to connect using Wifi to my access point using WPA2 encryption. I do NOT have a SIMM card in my phone. I have managed to make a connection to the PBX sitting on the other side of the Access Point. However, the audio that I'm getting is so badly broken that it's incomprehensible. I have seen the CPU utilization going to 78% using top (not a good way to measure I know). What I'm wondering is, does the Neo have the horsepower to be able to do this? Is this just an optimization problem that can be addressed or am I pushing the phone beyond it's ability. Cheers!! -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Already checked but no joy. Al, I was fooling around with the GUI and found the About menu item that had the linphone website on it. Rather than bother you and the community (since I'm actually being paid to do this!!) I'll work through the website and figure out my problems. Thanks for the help. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Probably the wrong path to the icon in the .desktop file which from memory will be something like /usr/share/applications/linphone.desktop On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: 2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify it and see if that gets it working. Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question (for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use. Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the proper icon file? Thanks for all your help Al. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the username for the user account of the registration. In the configuration files of the cli version its set correctly. I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even try. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the registration details from one and paste it into the other. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help. I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this is really going to suck. I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be appreciated. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes: extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to the debian archives directly? Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M of space but SD cards are cheap. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2
I'll have to look through the community mails then. I have seen people referring to optimization problems. Perhaps I'm running into some questionable s/w. For now, my requirements were to only show a mobile phone registering with the s/w PBX. Voice was not part of the initial requirements. However, for demonstration purposes I would really like to have it working. Thanks for you confirmation Al, it gives me a start if I have to work on this problem. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: I have a Neo freerunner running the 2008.9 load. I have it configured to connect using Wifi to my access point using WPA2 encryption. I do NOT have a SIMM card in my phone. I have managed to make a connection to the PBX sitting on the other side of the Access Point. However, the audio that I'm getting is so badly broken that it's incomprehensible. I have seen the CPU utilization going to 78% using top (not a good way to measure I know). What I'm wondering is, does the Neo have the horsepower to be able to do this? Is this just an optimization problem that can be addressed or am I pushing the phone beyond it's ability. Cheers!! I have made SIP calls using the linphone CLI over wifi with WPA-TKIP and the audio quality was fine. I don't recall which codec it was using, but the Freerunner is certainly capable of making high quality SIP calls over encrypted wifi. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
I found the problem. The actual directory being searched by default is the /usr/share/pixmap. Linphone is installing a directory containing its various png files there but not putting the extended path into the desktop.linphone file. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:03 AM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote: Already checked but no joy. Al, I was fooling around with the GUI and found the About menu item that had the linphone website on it. Rather than bother you and the community (since I'm actually being paid to do this!!) I'll work through the website and figure out my problems. Thanks for the help. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Probably the wrong path to the icon in the .desktop file which from memory will be something like /usr/share/applications/linphone.desktop On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: 2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify it and see if that gets it working. Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question (for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use. Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the proper icon file? Thanks for all your help Al. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the username for the user account of the registration. In the configuration files of the cli version its set correctly. I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even try. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the registration details from one and paste it into the other. On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote: Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help. I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this is really going to suck. I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be appreciated. Cheers!! On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes: extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to the debian archives directly? Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M of space but SD cards are cheap. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Well, I flashed my Neo with the Om2008.9-gta02-20081106 image and jffs2 file system and I have a phone that boots once again. In fact I have it fully functional with my original target of an automatic wifi connection using WPA2 encryption to my Access Point. I'm running a laptop with hostapd and a USB wireless Dongle configured to be the wireless access point. I'm building my system out of experimental parts as a demo for my customer. On the laptop I have: 2.6.28-rc5 kernel (experimental) USB Wireless Dongle driver rt2x00usb (experimental and I had to hack it) hostapd Appilcation (release 0.6.6... experimental) Asterisk - open source PBX application I was using a Nokia e71 wifi and SIP enabled phone to connect to the access point that I had created but it would not see the SSID of my Access Point. This worried me since I had created it all on bleeding edge s/w and perhaps I had bled myself into a corner but, when I checked, all other devices could at least see my access point. I just happened to have been given a Neo Freerunner by the customer as well for future work. Well, it had 3 obvious advantages over the Nokia phone, 1. I could get at the s/w on it. 2. It Moos when it flips over. 3. Thanks to the ground breaking work of Carlo Menucci, it sends good vibes!! The last step is now before me, I need to get a SIP phone to work on the Neo (that's why the customer had originally chosen the e71, its a SIP enabled phone). There seems to be 2 available for the Neo but both present me with problems. The SIP phone called Twinkle is only available on the Debian distro. The SIP phone called Linphone seems to have some library issues. Is there an easy way of porting a Debian package to the opkg format? Can the library issues with Linphone be easily solved? The errors I see when I try to install it as per the instructions on the Linphone page is: r...@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# opkg update parseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberDownloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz this goes on for quite some time. Cheers!! On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:56 PM, roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: Konstantin wrote: roguem...@roguewrt.org schrieb: [ 204.715000] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcs2 [ 204.72] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcsa2 Essentially the Neo is now a brick. I'm wondering where to go from here. I have installed 2008 version of the s/w on the phone. Unfortunately without the exact steps you took to get into this situation, we're unable to determine the correct steps to get you out. The most generic answers would be: 1). Reflash with your preferred distribution. 2). Boot from SD Card, access the flash memory and correct your mistake. Although I'm not sure if '2)' is possible as I've never tried. I've only ever come in from the other direction (modify SD from flash). Potentially, if it is simply the x server not starting, you may still be able to ssh in via usb and correct your mistake. I *might* just have the same problem. I tried opkg-upgrading my FDOM (OM2008.9) to testing, and now booting stops with the same messages the original poster has seen, plus the same vor vcs1 and vcsa1. Haven't found a way to fix this, unfortunately, as ssh doesn't seem to be running. The kernel however is still alive, responds to pings and prints out information about the changed power state when plugging in the charger or the usb cable. It's really hard to say. I know first hand that an opkg upgrade to testing can cause this. The original poster was having other issues aswell however. I'd say if your problems aren't intermittent then you may just have a bad upgrade. I'm tempted to think the dropbear problem is back aswell, as I overwrote all config files, the default a while back prevented ssh access except for localhost? or something silly. I remember having to modify the startup script via the om terminal app. Either way, I think using a testing image before opkg upgrading via testing is probably a better option. I haven't tried the FDOM script ... at all ... or FDOM for that matter ... but I imagine it would apply to testing? Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Thanks for the reply Sarton, I'm in the process now of flashing in another load onto the Neo. I have the SD card that came with the Neo. I'm running from FLASH right now. I never put a load on the SD. I'm not so sure I would accuse the boot loader unless there's something you know that I don't. The system does start to boot but it fails somewhere along the way. The kernel is loading but fails while loading modules I think. I noticed that when it has stopped writing to the console I can then plug in or remove the USB cable and I get the usual module load/unload output to the console. I'm beginning to suspect that the X server is dying. Unfortunately, I can't get at the device through a console to muck about with it. Cheers!! On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:05 PM, roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: john dowd wrote: [SNIP] My point is that without modifying files on my Neo, it starts to behave differently. I have even more strange behaviour to report. After several reboot attempts (but no modifications to the Neo) it suddenly booted properly and I was up and running again. This was true for the last few hours. Now, it just started to behave badly once again. I am still testing my Access Point and the Neo gets booted quite a few times. its plugged into the power supply. Since I want the Neo to come up on its own I don't use the power switch/Gui to turn it off. I bring up a terminal and type in reboot. Ah ... are you running from SD Card already or from flash? This sort of behaviour is typical of unsupported SD Cards. If you are running from SD, what size is it? There are some tricks to get some cards working but I have had success with all 2GB cards. If you are running from nand, all I could suggest is a u-boot upgrade. Outside of that maybe there are hardware issues? Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
Unfortunately without the exact steps you took to get into this situation, we're unable to determine the correct steps to get you out. The most generic answers would be: 1). Reflash with your preferred distribution. 2). Boot from SD Card, access the flash memory and correct your mistake. Although I'm not sure if '2)' is possible as I've never tried. I've only ever come in from the other direction (modify SD from flash). Potentially, if it is simply the x server not starting, you may still be able to ssh in via usb and correct your mistake. The exact steps? I used opkg to install the 2008 load. I was using the phone as a wifi device to attach to my Access Point. I was more interested in what was going on on my Access Point so I did not modify the working wifi connection from my Neo (or any other things on the Neo). At one point it just stopped booting properly. It displays the openmoko splash screen for quite some time and then goes to the boot loading screen showing that it's 45% loaded and never moves from that point. After a few moments it displays the text lines from my previous email. My point is that without modifying files on my Neo, it starts to behave differently. I have even more strange behaviour to report. After several reboot attempts (but no modifications to the Neo) it suddenly booted properly and I was up and running again. This was true for the last few hours. Now, it just started to behave badly once again. I am still testing my Access Point and the Neo gets booted quite a few times. its plugged into the power supply. Since I want the Neo to come up on its own I don't use the power switch/Gui to turn it off. I bring up a terminal and type in reboot. Cheers!! -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...
I hope someone here can direct me to the correct forum for this. I have a Neo (No SIMM card in it!!) and I had the wifi access to my Access Point all configured. I was trying to configure this to be automated at startup of the Neo and had no problems. Then, I just rebooted the Neo (I had changed something on my Access Point, not the Neo) and the Neo stopped being able to boot successfully. I get the following lines on the screen after it has just stopped booting: [ 204.715000] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcs2 [ 204.72] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcsa2 Essentially the Neo is now a brick. I'm wondering where to go from here. I have installed 2008 version of the s/w on the phone. Cheers!! -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
