Re: [FOSS-GPS] Releasing FoxtrotGPS 1.2.0--translations needed
Since we're on, this topic, I have another question/issue. I noticed that in the translation there are a few lists (separated by the pipe character) that in English are nicely alphabetically sorted. What is the preferred approach for translation? When we translate to different languages, the list is not sorted anymore. Should we just translate and not care about the sorting? Or can we sort our translations? In other words do these lists have 'hardcoded' links to the implementation of the functionality of each item? Regards, Marc On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: [cut] There are some parts of the GUI where some strings really need to be kept to a single, short line; and there are others where it doesn't matter so much. I'd like to just leave you the choice of doing whatever works best in different GUI contexts, if that's OK. OK, first I will let translation. Then, with your help I'll go to testing. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Releasing FoxtrotGPS 1.2.0--translations needed
Hello Joshua, FWIW: I've completed the translation to Dutch - alas I'm not in the position to test it out. Consider it an alpha release. Thanks for the good work. Regards, Marc On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Vadim Efimov eva...@evadim.ru wrote: Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com писал(а) в своём письме Sun, 05 Oct 2014 00:41:24 +0200: I'm looking to finally release FoxtrotGPS 1.2.0 some time in the next week or so; one thing that needs some attention is the translations. We have only 18 new/changed strings since the last release, so it'd be great if the translations that were complete in 1.1.1 (Spanish, Finnish, French, Hungarian, Japanese, Serbian; and Czech was very close to complete) could be complete in 1.2.0. There are also several other translations that a need a lot of love (most notably German, in which the only translated string is no GPS found); I've enabled translation via launchpad.net; hopefully that will help make it easier to complete translations. Hi Joshua, I translate some simple strings, which (I hope) can be translated without see them in Foxtrot GPS itself, via web in LP. 2 questions/suggestions: 1) Some beta versions available, for testing and translating? 2) Could you (or somebody else?) mark translated strings in source code? I review 60 of 300 strings, and saw a lot of them with formatting. For example one string appear at leas 3 times because of this: bno GPSD found/b bno GPSD found/b - span foreground='#ff'bD%d/b/span bno GPSD found/b - span foreground='#ff'bD%d/b/span - b[%d]/b or, it's just hard to find 2 letters to translate: span color=#090bok/b/span This make things harder, and also no suggestions for this strings. Anyway, thanks for TangoGPS development! FYI, here's a list of FoxtrotGPS's current translations and their status: Bulgarian (bg): 72 translated messages 65 fuzzy translations 163 untranslated messages. Czech (cs): 275 translated messages 11 fuzzy translations 14 untranslated messages. German (de): 1 translated message 12 fuzzy translations 287 untranslated messages. Spanish (es): 282 translated messages 7 fuzzy translations 11 untranslated messages. Finnish (fi): 282 translated messages 8 fuzzy translations 10 untranslated messages. French (fr): 282 translated messages 7 fuzzy translations 11 untranslated messages. Hungarian (hu): 282 translated messages 8 fuzzy translations 10 untranslated messages. Japanese (ja): 282 translated messages 7 fuzzy translations 11 untranslated messages. Dutch (nl): 100 translated messages 45 fuzzy translations 155 untranslated messages. Russian (ru): 66 translated messages 71 fuzzy translations 163 untranslated messages. Slovak (sk): 119 translated messages 59 fuzzy translations 122 untranslated messages. Serbian (sr): 282 translated messages 7 fuzzy translations 11 untranslated messages. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:
I sure consider it spam. On google you can find a multitude of references to 'altervista.org' : **provaprovax123pr.*altervista*.*org* computing.*altervista*.*org *umanastudios*.altervista.org *slotmachinedabar.*altervista*.*org ... *This is also the first post of this guy on comp.handhelds.openmoko.community* *I don't trust it. * * On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:25 AM, shamsul hassan shamsulbu...@gmail.comwrote: is this a spam ??? On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Steve Merker steven.mer...@gmail.comwrote: http://onewayauto.altervista.org/ycf2x5.php?s=lf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community] Happy New Year!
Same here - happy new year to everyone. Loads of fun, happiness and geeky projects! ;-) On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, happy new year to everyone and thanks for your work! Radek Hi all, I would like to wish everyone a happy new year 2013! And, please stay tuned - the OpenPhoenux has finally taken off and is ascending to new levels this year. Some great ideas are already in the pipeline and waiting for having their feasibility proven. Nikolaus PS: there will be a World of OpenPhoenux stand as a developer meeting point for GTA04, OpenMoko, QtMoko, PVR-SGX and others at FOSDEM 2013 in Brussels. Details how you can participate will follow. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Community mailing list commun...@openphoenux.org http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo/community http://www.openphoenux.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Learning from Apple...
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: I just read what the Apple CEO did say 5 minutes ago: ... Almost everything he says can be said about the independent and open source communities (except we don't have such many money - but we have brains as well). And we also want to change the world fundamentally. Towards real freedom for the users. Very well said! This is the reason why I get up each morning and continue to improve the Openphoenux/GTA04 world :) A big thank you for your motivation and persistence! Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Announcement: new batches of GTA04 ready for (pre)order
What a great achievement! Thanks a million for keeping the ideas of OpenMoko alive! I now know what to ask for as a Xmas present ;-) On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Dear all, I take for granted that you all are eagerly waiting for an annoucement that another batch of GTA04 boards becomes available. We did wait with an announcement until we can really answer all questions. Now, we think we can. Components have all been ordered for another (small) batch so that we can get them from production in December. If everything goes well, we can even ship out some boards before Christmas. The boards are named GTA04A4 (meaning the PCB revision). They are fully featured from hardware side: * DM3730@800 MHz * UMTS module with 3.75G (up to 14.4 MBit/s) * Sensors (Barometer, Compass, Gyroscope, Accelerometer) * GPS * connector for optional camera module * well documented building blocks so that you can write your own boot loaders and kernels. Nobody stops your creativity and nobody is pretending to protect you from yourself! So you get something that is unique. A motherboard upgrade for a handheld device. With open documentation to develop free and open software. And, a community dedicated to continue the pioneering work of the first Openmoko team. Last but not least, a team that listens to your wishes for future upgrades and trying to fulfill them. How much will it cost? We know that most of you do expect that it is not too expensive, something in the range of the GTA02. Unfortunately, we can't fulfill this specific wish. There are two main reasons (besides we are not financial magicians): 1. the device has some very expensive components (CPU + Memory + UMTS module) 2. we have really small production batches and therefore, have to pay much more for the components than e.g. Apple or HTC (factor 2-3 compared to reports from iSuppli). And, we can't subsidize devices because this is not a feasible long-term strategy from an economical point of view. But since raising the size of the batches (bulk purchasing) has a big effect (economies of scale), we have developed a strategy that should make everyone happy: A) there will be units available from (limited) stock shortly before Christmas, at a high price. We try to produce more of these units to fulfill orders within days. This offer is also good for getting samples for projects. B) you can participate in a group-buy at a lower price. This requires that we reach a certain number of units before we can start production. So the price and availablility are: a) 666,66 EUR; available for shipment from stock; planned to start on 19th December b) 499.99 EUR; requires 300 ordered units before 10th February 2012 (week after FOSDEM); production start expected for April 2012. There is also a rebate for the first 100 early bookings. There are rebates for quantites: 5% for orders of 5 units, 10% for 10 units, 12% for 50 units. So if you build buying groups (like for the Freerunners), you can save some more money. Both offers are ready for preorder/subscription through this link: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 There is a third type of offer - a customized GTA04 board. This means you can order a board variant where not all components are installed. And the display connector can be replaced by a Board2Board connector. This allows to plug the GTA04 like a module on a master board and develop different handhelds and tablets based on the GTA04 design. An example of such a device can be seen here: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%20Custom Finally, I have compiled some FAQ we have received in the past. If your question is not amongst them, please ask. So let's prove that the Openmoko community can not only design and build samples of a GTA04 but also go into perpetual mass production. Nikolaus Schaller FAQ: Q: Do I need a GTA01 or GTA02? A: Yes. The GTA04 is a motherboard that fits into a GTA01 or GTA02 case. It does not have all electromechanic compontents. Missing are: GSM antenna, internal GPS receiver, Earpiece speaker, Handsfree speakers, Vibracall motor, Battery holder, Battery, USB power supply, and very important: it does not include a display module. So you have to take all missing parts from an existing GTA01 or GTA02. The only exception is the LCD module where we can provide spare parts. But you can operate the board without these components - but then it is not a handheld portable computer with phone functionality. Or you can try to build your own case. Some inspiring proposals and samples have been shown recently (e.g. wooden case). Q: Does the device support the US frequencies? A: Yes, it is Quadband GSM/GPRS/EDGE/WCDMA (3.75G), but not CDMA2000 1x nor EV-DO Q: Does it have FCC and CE approvals? A: At the moment partially. The UMTS
Re: ANN: GTA04A2 engineering sample is now running Linux / will be shown at LinuxTag
This is just awesome! I think the community owes you a big, big, thank you!!! I'm waiting for the next surprises already ;-) On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Dear all, after all the previous announcements that were certainly not encouraging and making everybody happy, I have this time really good news. And hope that there are only good news to report in the future... We have finally found a way to patch the power supply issue of our first engineering sample board and are since this morning able to boot Linux and demonstrate LXDE on Debian. We will present this unique unit during LinuxTag on 11-14th May in Berlin. So please come! This power supply hack was to solder an additional 1.2V LDO chip (TPS73601DCQ) to give the CPU more supply power [1]. Apparently this is sufficient to solve the spurious shutdown issue, which was coming from a very suboptimal PCB layout of our engineering board. Anyway, the new GTA04A3 boards (which are already in production) have a heavily improved board layout so that I expect that they will never show this problem and are much more robust. After knowing how much the layout can and should be improved, I am still surprised that hacking the hardware with a 2 € LDO chip was a sufficient work-around... Here is finally a brand new video showing the device in (battery!) operation: [2] So we are looking forward to get the new GTA04A3 boards from SMD assembly (in approx. 4 weeks), connecting a display, inserting a SD card and a battery ... Happy easter time to everyone, Nikolaus Schaller [1]: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00784.jpeg [2]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KnJc7eImQ4 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA01 (Neo1973) questions
Hi list, My intention is to 'revive' my Neo1973 to take it along for a 5-week trip. I don't want to use it as a phone, just for it's GPS (maps) capabilities. I've loaded SHR (lite) image but it takes up some much space that after a 'opkg update' my device is 99% full. So, some questions for the more knowledgeable: - how do I get rid of all phone/SMS and contact apps? Is there an easy way to figure this out? Or would I be beter off with a different distribution altogether? - I had a look at the gllin scripts - seems they've hadn't been kept inline with the newest kernels. How do I start the gps chip nowadays? And would gllin still work? - I prefer to install either tangogps or foxtrotgps. Can I still use those on the GTA01? Regards, Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 (Neo1973) questions
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Hi Marc, Am 27.02.2011 um 16:24 schrieb Marc Verwerft: Hi list, My intention is to 'revive' my Neo1973 to take it along for a 5-week trip. I don't want to use it as a phone, just for it's GPS (maps) capabilities. I've loaded SHR (lite) image but it takes up some much space that after a 'opkg update' my device is 99% full. So, some questions for the more knowledgeable: - how do I get rid of all phone/SMS and contact apps? Is there an easy way to figure this out? Or would I be beter off with a different distribution altogether? I think you can store the distro on a SD card and boot from there. If you use a 4GB card you have plenty of space for everything. It may be a little slower than internal Flash. For SHR you need to unpack the kernel to a FAT partition and the .tgz root file system to an ext2/ext3. Nikolaus PS: for the future you will be able to upgrade to the GTA04 motherboard. I know. You showed me one on FOSDEM and I'm very much looking forward to it ;-) - but it's not going to be ready in time for my trip so I've gotta hang on to my GTA01 for a while. Thanks for the good tips! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Carrier in Belgium
Hello Atilla, Welcome to Belgium ;-) I don't have a freerunner, only a Neo1973 model. Have always used Belgacom (telephone only, never tried GPRS) and never had troubles. AFAIK there are only 3 major players here: - proximus - base - mobistar See also (in dutch, sorry) http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_%28communicatie%29#Belgi.C3.AB All the others 'rent' from them. Oh, and BTW, Belgium is not the cheapest of countries for telephone, so better look out for the tariffs. Regards, Marc On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.comwrote: (sorry for the duplicate) Hi list I am moving to Belgium in a couple of weeks and will buy a(probably prepaid) line from there. Can anyone tell which company plays well with FR hardware? I had problems with Vodafone NL before(GSM OK but no GPRS) also with Globul BG and I don't want this to happen again. -- Atilla ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Good luck and thanks for keeping us up to date! On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 16.09.2010 um 10:36 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 16.09.2010 um 10:03 schrieb Sylvain Paré: and which are the next steps between this and a real future GTA04 end-user phone? For the hardware, we have to test the PCB and see if it smokes or the Tux smiles on the screen. Then, we have to get RF certifications and get components for building more than some samples. Today, we received the first PCBs for the GTA04. It has passed a mechanical test (just some connectors and buttons mounted) and this bare board fits exactly into the GTA02 case. Next, some chips are soldered and we do measurements. Before we solder the more expensive components (CPU, UMTS module). I will keep you updated. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
+1 for a GPS chip also And availability in Europe (or more general: outside US)? Regards, Marc On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Edder ed...@tkwsping.nl wrote: On 6 October 2010 13:41, Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr wrote: Hi, As you might have read, Always Innovating (A.I.), is opened to think about a collaboration between them and us (Openmoko community) to build a phone based on their MiniBook. Sounds like a great idea TI cortex-A8 with 3D and video acceleration 512MB (RAM) + 256MB (NAND) Memory Main storage: 8GB microSD card 480x320 3.5 capacitive touchscreen 30fps VGA front webcam Wifi 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth class 2.1 Video output HDMI HD Two high-quality stereo speakers Internal microphone Headphone jack Will it support headphone, with a microphone? 3-dimensional accelerometer One 1500 mAh battery Bi-color silver/black case 64mm x 106mm x 9.3mm Secured attachment of the MID into a Touch Book Table There's nothing much to improve, nothing to remove, just adding GSM/3G chip. Nikolaus Schaller pointed the OPTION GTM501, which is a brilliant little chip ! And if we use the same one, the porting of distros/software will be easier from one machine to another. So, the first question is : What to add for this project being interresting ? Those will be minimal functions (forget Wimax, 4G, coffe machines or color printer ...). I wouldn't consider getting one unless it also has a GPS chip. Cheers, Edwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Network Time
The section about Date/time settings in the SHR wiki from openmoko http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Date_and_time says: Date and time are automatically set from GPS or Network Regards, Marc On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name wrote: Any way to extract the time from the GSM network and have the time set based on this?. Any distro that does this or any tools available?. Many phones have this capability. It would also be nice to set the time based on GPS, when that is available, but often when indoors, only GSM works. -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Security Behavior Survey
Yes, interested++ On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Alexey Feldgendler ale...@feldgendler.ru wrote: On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:00:08 +0100, zogg zoggif...@gmail.com wrote: When/Where to expect/access the results of the survey? :) They will probably be used internally to make some security UI design decisions. But, of course, the results themselves are not secret, so I'll post them here if there's interest. (Although every post about this is offtopic here, sorry for that.) -- Alexey Feldgendler ale...@feldgendler.ru [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments
I'm definitively going to like this thread :-) I was one of the first to buy a Neo and have had some nice times with it. I especially used it for tracking for OpenStreetMap and still remember using the phone from commandline. Unfortunately, due to work circumstances, I had less and less time to play with it. This has changed now and I hope I can get get it to work again. I think this thread is a _must_ have. I was getting depressed by all the mails describing what didn't work while the Neo and the freerunner are such wonderful products. The work that most guys have put in is impressive and I'm sure that 10 years from now will look at it and say: yep, we definitively changed the playing field! Regards, Marc On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hallmad...@li.org wrote: and we managed to fly clear of the ship just before it exploded, and thus we saved all of humanity with a Freerunner. I had wondered what happened to that ship! md ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development
Awesome accomplishment! Thanks so much Jon - this is really fantastic news. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hallmad...@li.org wrote: Dear Openmoko Community, In light of the refocusing of Sean's company on consumer items, there has been a perceived vacuum created in the Openmoko community's efforts to create next-generation open cellular smart phones. I happened to be working with Dr. Marcelo Zuffo, a full professor and the head of the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, on an unrelated project. I asked Dr. Zuffo if the university would be willing to join the Openmoko community and to provide critical resources to the task at hand. I subsequently have met with Dr. Zuffo several times on this matter, have seen his facilities (which include a very modern and state-of-the-art SMT line) and have discussed the goals of the community to design and prototype a completely open design for a cellular phone. Dr. Zuffo and the university understand your issues, understand free and open source software and hardware and are willing to assist the community with this project. I might add that the university can bring several new capabilities to the community: First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very enthusiastic about the concept. Having the support of the government of the twelfth largest economy behind the project might really help us with various negotiations with vendors. Secondly the University has been working on several aspects of telecommunications for a long time, and therefore has expertise in telephonic security and codecs (among other things) that could be of use to the Openmoko community. Third, the university has the ability and expertise to design new integrated circuits. Recently they designed a a range of analog-digital chips. Therefore the possibility of developing, manufacturing and freely licensing new chips to help reduce the cost of the phone is possible. Forth, while the facilities I mentioned are capable of producing up to 10,000 units at the rate of one circuit board every 30 seconds, the purpose of the facilities is research, developing and support projects that can lead innovation, the lab's charter does not allow them to manufacture more units then the 10,000 because that would be commercial production. Therefore the university has a goal of freely licensing the design to companies for manufacture. Fifth, the university would be happy to host the mailing lists and forums of the Openmoko project. If some of the software projects need hosting and can not find hosting services other places, the university will consider acting as a primary hosting facility for these projects. Sixth, personally I would like to see this concept extended, of inviting more universities and their facilities to help with this project world-wide. I hope that the leadership of the University of Sao Paulo will help create the structure and inspiration for this to happen. Finally, the university has a non-profit legal entity, LSITEC, which can easily do the type of paperwork that Sean's company did (NDAs, certification) so the community can leverage off that. I know that there will be a lot of questions and considerations to take before the community is comfortable with this relationship. Dr. Zuffo has asked that I help coordinate the joining together of the university with the community, and in the interest of seeing Openmoko continue to do the fine work started by Sean and all of you, I will be glad to help in this capacity. I am monitoring the community mailing list, and people are also welcome to email me directly (mad...@li.org) with questions that you do not (for any reason) wish to post to the list. A copy of Dr. Zuffo's letter of intent is below. I have the original PDF if anyone would like to see it, but it was too big to make it through the community's standards on mailing lists unmoderated, and I thought you might like to see this as soon as possible. Warmest regards, Jon maddog Hall President, Linux International CTO of Koolu, Inc. == São Paulo, 8th July 2009, Mr. Jon Maddog Hall The Executive Director Linux International. Dear Mr. Hall, according our conversation LSI-USP the Laboratory for Integrated Systems at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, is interested in hosting the OpenMoko Community to design innovative cell phone designs. We would like to offer the community the following facilities: ‐ State-of-art facilities for SMT (Surface Mounting Technology) prototyping of complex electronics boards; ‐ State-of-art facilities and expertise for design HW and SW in telephony and communications; ‐ Expertise in testing and certification; ‐ A new
Re: 16th community update released
Yep , me 2 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Piotr Duda openm...@nemezis.eu wrote: [...] We will try to find out what people want. Anybody still downloading the GTA01 images? yes, me. and there are others. do not forget about us. regards and best wishes. Piotr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: merry christmas
You 2 (and everybody else also) May the new year bring loads of fun and applications to OpenMoko! Cheers guys (and girls) On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Carlo Minucci ge...@napodano.com wrote: merry christmas (now in italy is 00:00) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Gllin version available
Thanks for thinking about the NEO!!! Much appreciated. Good job ;-) Regards, Marc. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Daniel Willmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Community, I am happy to announce that a new version of gllin has been uploaded to http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/ Changes include: * The gllin files now reside in /usr/share/gllin and not in /home/root anymore. A convenience wrapper is provided in /usr/bin/gllin. * An init script is available at /etc/init.d/gllin with configuration in /etc/defaults/gllin. * The default init script disables logging and sending NMEA data to a named pipe. Only UDP packets to port 6000 are enabled. Best Regards, The Openmoko Team ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next Qtopia
Lorn, Will the GPS app also work on the GTA01 (using the hammerhead chip)? Regards, Marc On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Baroukh wrote: Does somebody knows when will next Qtopia version be relased (4.4) ? And do you know what will be inside ? (my hope : webbrowser and working gprs ...) All I can really say is that it will most likely be released real soon now(tm). Webkit is in 4.4. gps/mapping demo app, among other things. I haven't had time yet to look into gprs in any version. It is a script that should be in /opt/Qtopia/bin called ppp-network which gets run by Qtopia. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buying the lunchbox
That's a philsophy and business approach that makes sense for you and for me! Thanks Steve On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 7:21 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another way to look at it. Openmoko is going to focus on the areas where we add VALUE. Buying the lunchbox from Company A, and reselling it to you, is of marginal value. Plus one lunchbox doesn't fit ALL. If you want or need a secure carrying case, then go to the guys Who are expert in that and you will end up with a better deal all around. The exact case you need. A cheaper price, and openmoko can focus on open source hardware and software. Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio wired Headset
Good idea. How about cases? Or at least the backpanels. For those who have to remove the battery every time they power down in order not to drain it completely. Regards, Marc On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:42 AM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: I simply agree... JTAG for example, could be needed for standard users only after bricking the device, and new/extra batteries will be needed soon! So: - batteries - headphones - JTAG interfaces - sylus - stylus batteries? I'm not sure it's economically worthwihle trying to resell microSD cards since that's a well-saturated market, though the convenience of being able to purchase them while purchasing other items might be nice? Any other ideas? -id ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open source / Open Standard CAD development?
Hello, On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Mats Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, My first post here :) Welcome ;-) I am seeing the OpenMoko project as the first serious project to develop hardware in bazaar-style fashion. A personal dream would like to build a OpenCar in bazaar-style fashion in the future. Like http://www.theoscarproject.org/ and http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2006/12/open_source_at.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 ? The reason why I joined list is that I found the CAD files of the Neo1973 at the openmoko.com site. It is great that these files are available, even if they are in a proprietary data format (the ProE, not the STEP one), and very likely developed using a proprietary CAD application. You can find a whole thread about the CAD files and CAD programs here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-January/012595.html Personally, I have a software development company, in which I have been developing tailored software for my clients, mostly with open source technologies, and sometimes with, at least well known, closed source techs like .NET . Therefore, it was a shockening moment when I during 2007 did a consultancy project for an industrial company producing water taps. It meant going back at least ten years in time, back into proprietary hell! Proprietary systems (including proprietary interfaces between systems) and proprietary data. CAD was done with proprietary software, often with more than one CAD system, resulting in incompatible, binary-only data. So my questions for the OpenMoko community are: * Does there exist any usable open source CAD systems? (Is perhaps Open CASCAE a viable semi-open http://www.opencascade.org/ option?) I've used QCAD before (2D) and like it for most of my projects. * Is it possible to use a human readable format for CAD data? (Is perhaps STEP enough for development, or just a format for interchange between different CAD applications?) Don't know. And the most important question: * Is the OpenMoko community interested in using open source tools (possibly together with a human readable format) for developing non-software parts? Just guessing from the number of reactions to 'free' the CAD files: yes. Best regards Mats Eriksson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Regards, Marc. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Harald LaF0rge Welte: Leaving OpenMoko...
On Nov 16, 2007 6:56 PM, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 16 November 2007 14:20, Javi Roman wrote: On Nov 16, 2007 12:52 PM, Bartlomiej Zdanowski [Zdanek] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sad news. It is bad news for OM Community but personally I understand move like this. Best regards for Harald. http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/11/16/#20071116-leaving_openmoko Best regards. ...internal friction weird news, ..., hmmm, what's going on in OpenMoko/FIC? How about everything which goes on in every company which grows fast and is under a lot of pressure to release a product? Everybody who has been there knows it's stressfull, hectic and yes it is really demotivating, largely because you keep spending time on stuff you don't want to do and as a result it is really hard to get the stuff you want to do done. All of this is doubled when you have a parent company, doubled again when there is a lot of publicity around it and doubled once more when you are one of the more well known members of the team. Coping with that for 18 months is an achievement of its own kind, I can't blame anybody for not keeping it up endlessly. Harold, thanks for everything you did to make an really open phone a reality. AVee -- It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. -- Douglas Adams ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Can' t agree more. Best of luck to you Harald. And the same for the OpenMoko team and project! Regards, Marc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Re: Where's the Micro-SD?
On 7/31/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not physically -- I had no problem plugging it into the phone. But where does it appear to the software? where is it in /dev? Is it automatically mounted at boot time? What's the mountpoint? Foolish question, I know... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#Using_your_micro-SD_card Regards, Marc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When and what to expect from Phase 2
On 7/31/07, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, As someone who is holding-off on buying the iPhone in favor of the OpenMoko Phase 2 release - what can I expect from Phase 2? I have heard September mentioned for Phase 2 - is this correct and are there any firm dates? Is the release likely to be pushed back? What can consumers expect from Phase 2? Will there be more devices other than the Neo? and if so, are they likely to be cheaper or more expensive than the Neo? Thanks! Dave ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Dave, All this info can be found on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_find_out_if_a_question_or_topic_has_already_been_discussed_on_the_mailing_lists.3F http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications Regards, Marc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I think my sim card slot is busted
On 7/31/07, Marc Verwerft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/31/07, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 7/31/07, Benjamin Flanagin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: calls beyond emergency numbers. What am I looking for in the gsmd.log and or when I use the at+cimi command? Not sure about the gsmd.log. The wiki doesn't give me any clue as to what a none working sim card looks like apposed to a working one. Any hints would be appreciated. AT+CIMI should return the 15-digit IMSI (International Mobile Subscriber Identity) number from the SIM card. The PIN should be entered before you can read the number. Its your identity number. Don't reveal it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community According to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#Inserting_the_SIM_card_.28optional.29 the holder needs to be locked. I first didn't know how it locks but apparently you do it by slightly pushing the holder direction top (opposite of opening it). As soon as I had done that, it worked. I could dial a number using gsmd and libgsmd-tool. Regards, Marc Oops, pushing it to the top opens the holder and to the bottom locks the SIM card in place. Don't want ruin somebody else's Neo ... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Edited out of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners?
Mine has disappeared also. Seems someone reorganized the wiki page so that it is now sorted on ordernumber. Courtesy of a wiki requires that if you modify a page so drastically to inform the user through his 'My Talk' page ... On 7/24/07, Cindy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While anxiously waiting for my your order has been shipped email, I checked the P1_Owners page and found that my name had been edited out. You may want to check that your name is still there. Cindy M ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera on GTA02
On 7/24/07, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 24 July 2007 01:21, Giles Jones wrote: On 24 Jul 2007, at 00:09, Nkoli wrote: Nokia are a brand, along with Samsung and Sony Ericsson they own the market. It's unrealistic to think this phone can get huge market share. Simply because you won't have the major operators selling them on contract. Until operators are pushing them and people know what the brand means (ie, reputation) it's going to be a phone for people in the know. I'm not sure about the rest of europe, but in the Netherlands it's fairly normal to go to a shop and purchase whatever phone you want together with whatever contract you want. The phone shop will simply get a provision for each contract sold and use this to discount the phones they sell. This results in lists like this: http://www.gsmweb.nl/tmobile/index_toestel.htm You really don't need anything from an operator to get on that list, when there is demand for a phone it will can be sold both with and without contracts. Overhere FIC needs to get these resellers on board, not the operators. AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Same in Belgium. We have the 3 big operators (Proximus, Base, Mobistar) who have their own network. Besides that we have approx. 30 virtual operators (who rent from the 3 above). None of them will refuse a phone to hook up to their network. Guess this also counts as 'free' :-) Regards, Marc. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: projects of interest?
On 7/17/07, Daniel Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the projects of interest for people? I am interested in working on kid's phones. I have wanted a kid's phone that was not as brain-dead as the phones that are currently targeted at children. I like that the Neo1973 has a secure tether point. I want the phone to be tethered to my kid's backpack or clothing so it can't be lost or stolen. In terms of software, I want to work on GPS related things. It would be good to know where my kids are and when they exit certain zones, e.g., school. --Dan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Besides being an allround usefull PIM/GSM device I would also like to use it as a kind of Tripy roadmaster (http://www.tripy.be/pg.asp?pageID=121). This device tracks where you go but can also display rudimentary maps. They display is actually a roadbook. It indicates which direction to go and for how long, combined with basic info such as how far you are from the starting point, name of the town/village you are, etc. A lot of beautiful roadbooks are available on the internet. I use them on my motorbike and I'd love to see them on the Neo :-) Regards, Marc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: projects of interest? - mebot
On 7/18/07, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to use it to implement a GTD[1] utility. Yes! Consider there is a simple market-list application, in which I note the stuff I need to buy from market, time to time. When I approach to the market moko starts an audio alert and tells me to stop by the market to buy stuff. When I enter the market automatically pops up my market list. My wife would love this :-) I'm thinking about a plug-in architecture so you can extend this idea as far as it goes, bugzilla integration, mail client integration, web browser integration, integration with an outliner/mindmapper, project planner, tomboy, etc. Every new plug-in will open a door to another cool idea. Started to write it a couple weeks ago, got a sourceforge account[2]. There is a very trivial demonstration application on subversion and as a tarball download. If there is anybody interested I would love to discuss. I'm sure willing to test it ... [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtd [2] http://mebot.sourceforge.net emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tutorials, HowTo's, etc
On 7/10/07, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I really love this project, but since (as most of us here, i imagine) i'm only a simple student, i can't afford to buy two Neos. So i will wait 'til october. But I would like to have some possibility to develope something in the meantime. Since this is all open source, i imagined to find thousands of tutorials, howtos, step-by-step-descriptions, and so on. But the only thing i found is a look at gtk-sort of thing. Not onyl there aren't any Developer tutorials (on how to create something), but even there aren't any descriptions of how to use what's inside the phone right now. If somebody has any help on how to start programming some (simple) apps for the OpenMoko, without having a FIC at my disposal, i would be pleased to let my creativity flow. p.s. maybe i could also write some tutorials, or translate existing ones.. but i must have THE KNOWLEDGE to do so. best regards, Stefan Insam p.p.s. Sorry for my bad english.. I'm not a native speaker. -- My corner of the web: http://ramsesoriginal.wordpress.com My dream, my world: http://abenu.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Ramses, Well, it's perfectly possible to develop applications without having a Neo at your disposal. Since all libraries are based on glib/gtk (see http://www.gtk.org), which also serves as the underlying libraries for GNOME, you can indeed start with learning GTK, possibly using a python or perl interface if you want to get going quickly. Once you're a bit familiar with this you can build the openmoko base system (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile) and 'emulate' it all with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr or http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo If you want to do more then simple GTK apps, I suggest you start looking into the code of the Neo using svn. It's open ... Regards, Marc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host question
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8feature=PlayListp=472DE700A3CC70A4index=0 After about 15 seconds, you'll see the USB connector. Regards, Marc On 7/8/07, phkeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sean Great that the Neo is going to be available at last! I'm all excited about starting to develop... A question regarding USB: the Neo Base comes without USB host cable. Is it nevertheless possible to have access to the USB host port or is it some internal connector? Thanks Philipp -- Philipp Keller Software Development Neuronics AG Technoparkstrasse 1 8005 Zuerich / Switzerland Tel +41 44 445 16 40 Fax +41 44 445 16 44 www.neuronics.ch -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Get them while they're still hot!
And a big thank you to Sean, the OpenMoko team and FIC for making this possible! On 7/8/07, Florent THIERY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, congratulations !!! Bonne chance Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How many FOSS developers users Worldwide?
Sean, A good reference on open source is always David Wheeler (http://www.dwheeler.com). In his study of 'Why Open Source Software/ Free Software) he references a study from 2002 regarding open source developers: http://www.infonomics.nl/FLOSS/report/index.htm Have a look at 'Part IV: Survey of Developers'. It might contain what you're looking for, although it several years old already. I presume things only got better since then :-) Regards, Marc Verwerft On 5/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Community! Hopefully you guys can help me. I'm trying to find the number of FOSS developers and users worldwide for some marketing related presentations but just can't seem to find any solid numbers. It would also be very interesting to see how this number compares to the number of developers worldwide. Does anyone have any good links they could send me? Thanks! Sean This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Involve and Contribute
Arjun, The entrance URL is www.openmoko.org. Start with the wiki to get familiar with what the community is doing and how you might help. Have fun! Regards, Marc. On 4/5/07, Arjun Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am sorry if this is the wrong list to post. I am a developer from Bagalore, and recently came to know about your work from the foss.in list. I am very interested in the project, and would like to know more about it. Any pointers as to how to get involved? Thanks in advance, Regards, Arjun ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bluetooth on a bike
Hi all, I've been reading this list for a while and am very interested in the Neo/Openmoko for all kinds of reasons but mostly because it's free. The combination of bluetooth and possible GPS mapping software made me think of the following. I like driving on a motorcycle. Sometimes I have a passenger. It's always nice when you can talk to each other. So the following questions came to mind: - if both me and my passenger have bluetooth headsets, would we be able to talk to each other using the bluez implementation? - would we both be able to hear music (Ogg, mp3)? - would we be able to hear music _and_ directions from the GPS mapping software (_and_ possibly talk to each other?) Regards (and keep up the good work), Marc. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back from FOSDEM
I was also at FOSDEM. Before Sean's speech, I payed a visit to the OpenEmbedded stand. They had the phone on display there and I was allowed to play with it for a little :-) Anyhow, what I wanted to say is that they told me that the session was going to be taped (by FOSDEM people) because they expected a lot of people. And indeed, Before Sean started, somebody set up a small camera on the first row. I doubt the sound quality is going to be any good because there was a lot of rumour in the room. So watch the video archive of FOSDEM! Regards, Marc. On 2/25/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 24.02.2007 um 21:40 schrieb Richard Bennett: Well... Sadly I missed the Friday beer event due to a work emergency - typical! But I caught Sean and Dr Mickey at the presentation this afternoon. It was a pretty funny event, because there were so many people... There must have been about 200 people in an room that normally seats 72! Tables were overturned to get more people in, half of them on the stage. Sadly, I was one of those who were a little late to go to the room and did not find a place inside anymore :( Sean, Mickey, is there any chance to get the slides of your presentation or did someone even do a Video? Best regards, Nikolaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)
Don't expect too much from the pics. The one showing the hacker's lunchbox was a picture of a closed plastic case with reinforcements along the sides and a handle. Nothing of the inside :-( Regards, Marc. On 2/25/07, Aanjhan R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 2/25/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do we get to the pictures to see them? Are they posted anywhere? Is it possible to get the presentation as well. Is it posted in the FOSDEM site? I tried hard finding them. I could nt except for a pic of Sean and a brief abstract of the talk :-) Reggies. -- Aanjhan -- a.k.a Tuxmaniac Locations: #ubuntu-in, #linux-india, #gnu-india @irc.freenode.net CyberHome: http://www.tuxmaniac.com -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back from FOSDEM
He hints to a slide that was presented by Sean. Sean first said that Neo was not named after the character from the matrix movie. But then he gave quote that applied to the neo1973: Never send a human to do a machine's job. (From agent Smith). One of the points Sean was making is that we spend way too much time telling all the devices we have what our preferences are. He wanted the devices to learn from us and anticipate what we want to do. On 2/26/07, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 26 février 2007 à 01:39 +0100, Jens Muecke a écrit : snip And neo ist not matrix neo. It is matrix agent smith. snip !? What do you mean? Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipment of phones
I understood that the european distrubution was from phase 2 onwards (I.E. september 2007). If I want to buy the neo1973 as a developer in phase1, then I have to order it in Taiwan and pay the customs duties etc. In order not to be surprised, I just wanted to know ... Reagrds, Marc. On 2/26/07, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcel de Jong schrieb: On 2/26/07, Marc Verwerft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There is an entry in the Wiki about shipping notes, but before I posted anything there I wanted to check/compare/confirm the above. Any comments or similar experiences with buying goods from outside EU anyone? I thought that FIC had a European distributor? I hope I'm not mistaken... Yes, european distribution was confirmed on this list by Sean on January 15th. -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
They just specify that it runs GNU/Linux. No mention of OpenMoko, since it's a different company then FIC, it doesn't surprise me. OTOH, they are quad band phones with WLAN and VOIP. The 2862 also has GPS. And yes, I like the design also :-) Greetings, Marc Verwerft On 2/21/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan Schmidt writes: UPDATE: The other phones *are* from E28 http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm Wow. The E2862 is really, really beautiful. The web page for that product doesn't mention openmoko; I don't read German, so does the original article say it does? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: R: Need info on AGPS
Michele, Robert already had quite some info on the AGPS, even before I asked the question. Have a look at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-November/000118.html Regards, Marc. On 1/25/07, Michele Manzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some additional questions on this subject: 1. Is there any A-GPS standard whatsoever? 2. I have heard elsewhere (Wikipedia) that in A-GPS the computation effort is shared between the device and the A-GPS Server. According to a previous post, the device just downloads the ephemeris table so there isn't any actual computation sharing, but rather a download of a pre-computed table download. Correct? 3. A-GPS involves additional data traffic and thus (potential) additional costs. Does it use a normal GSM/GPRS IP-based data transfer? does it use some out-of-band GSM/GPRS control messages? or does it get data from broadcasts in the local cell (e.g. GSM cell-broadcast)? 4. if the answer to above is GPRS: is it possible to estimate in advance how much additional traffic (in Kbytes/day of full operation)? 5. Are there any known estimations on the overall (A)GPS performance on the Neo (esp. fix time) 6. Coming to the Neo1973. In order to save costs, can the Assisted function in A-GPS be disabled through software API? 7. Is it possible to tell whether A-GPS is actually in use or not? 8. Is it possible to tell/know which is the A-GPS server currently in use? I realise that 1..6 of the above are indeed general questions about A-GPS technology, not really specific to the Neo or to OpenMoko. Sorry it I sound a bit off-topic, but I did not find them answered plainly anywhere. Reference links would be great. Many thanks in advance! Michele -Messaggio originale- Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Michael 'Mickey' Lauer Inviato: giovedì 25 gennaio 2007 1.01 A: community@lists.openmoko.org Oggetto: Re: Need info on AGPS NOTE: please send mails in text format Marc Verwerft wrote: The chip in the Neo1973 is a Global Locate AGPS. Anybody know what type? Hammerhead maybe? I think Sean already confirmed that it is indeed the Hammerhead chipset. Regards, :M: -- Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 24/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 24/01/2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)
Jonathan, Probably, you're on your own right now. If I were you, I wouldn't make a sourceforge project yet as in the announcement of Sean he mentioned this: Also, at this time, the following community dedicated websites will be available: * http://openmoko.org/ -- for the actual development community * http://wiki.openmoko.org/ -- for an official wiki of the project * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/ -- for bug tracking * http://lists.openmoko.org/ -- for public mailing lists * http://planet.openmoko.org/ -- for an aggregated feed * http://projects.openmoko.org/ -- for user-contributed projects --- That's what you want, I guess. Regards, Marc On 1/24/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks and will do...working on getting OpenEmbedded installed as we speak/type. One question though. Is there any collaborative place for apps right now? Or is it pretty much every man for himself until they release the source? Meaning, say I start on a simple app, but want feedback. Do I need to create a project (sourceforge, etc) or is there a specific place for OpenMoko software? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan, If you visit the wiki that Marc refers to, you will find entries for the build enviroment and emulators, so you can start writing, compiling, and testing simple programs. M On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Marc Verwerft wrote: Jonathan, Things are gonna stay this way till OpenMoko opens up their website/wiki/bugzilla etc. See also http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/00.html All we have are the basic hardware description and some hints on the software. The rest is guesswork for now. Till then your best source is the temporary wiki at http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko Regards, Marc. On 1/24/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a computer engineer and want to get involved. All I'm seeing coming across this mailing list is feature requests, basic inquiries, etc. Is there another list that is focused more on the development side of things? I'm a little lost on how this project is structured. Can someone please either respond back to this list or email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with more info. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to get involved (HELP!!!)
Michael, English is not my native tongue and I certainly didn't mean we wouldn't help anybody out. I just meant that we as a community have nothing more than this list and the wiki for now. So apologies for that. Regards, Marc. On 1/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of us are on our own. I would say use this mailing list, assuming, of course, that you're not writing a complicated application and would post thousands of lines of code. But for simple applications I think most of us would welcome the technical, practical content. And of course any results or interesting observations you make along the way should go on the temporary wiki. Michael On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Marc Verwerft wrote: Jonathan, Probably, you're on your own right now. If I were you, I wouldn't make a sourceforge project yet as in the announcement of Sean he mentioned this: Also, at this time, the following community dedicated websites will be available: * http://openmoko.org/ -- for the actual development community * http://wiki.openmoko.org/ -- for an official wiki of the project * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/ -- for bug tracking * http://lists.openmoko.org/ -- for public mailing lists * http://planet.openmoko.org/ -- for an aggregated feed * http://projects.openmoko.org/ -- for user-contributed projects --- That's what you want, I guess. Regards, Marc On 1/24/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks and will do...working on getting OpenEmbedded installed as we speak/type. One question though. Is there any collaborative place for apps right now? Or is it pretty much every man for himself until they release the source? Meaning, say I start on a simple app, but want feedback. Do I need to create a project (sourceforge, etc) or is there a specific place for OpenMoko software? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan, If you visit the wiki that Marc refers to, you will find entries for the build enviroment and emulators, so you can start writing, compiling, and testing simple programs. M On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Marc Verwerft wrote: Jonathan, Things are gonna stay this way till OpenMoko opens up their website/wiki/bugzilla etc. See also http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/00.html All we have are the basic hardware description and some hints on the software. The rest is guesswork for now. Till then your best source is the temporary wiki at http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko Regards, Marc. On 1/24/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a computer engineer and want to get involved. All I'm seeing coming across this mailing list is feature requests, basic inquiries, etc. Is there another list that is focused more on the development side of things? I'm a little lost on how this project is structured. Can someone please either respond back to this list or email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with more info. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pictures of Neo1973 under GFDL for wikipedia
Salve Sean! Thanks for letting use those pictures. But in order to be _absolutely_ sure, the wikipedia people would like something more formal. Please have a look at this page http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Email_templates and send them the 'declaration of consent' in the rectangle if you agree. Then they know it's legitimate. Can you put me in copy, so I can finish that article ;-) ? Sorry I didn't mention it the first time around, but I was unaware of it. Regards, Marc. On 1/24/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07 4:39 PM, Marc Verwerft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can we use the pictures at the openmoko site in wikipedia (all languages) with the permission of FIC under the GNU Free Documentation License (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL )? Please do! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean, do you need a table in Brussel for the FOSDEM 2007? ; ) Re: Neo1973 device description and picture for xoo.
Robert, I'll be coming both to the beer evening and of course to FOSDEM. I live nearby Mechelen, approx. 35 kms from BXL. If I can be of any help, let me know. Marc. Sean, If you could arrange for bringing phones to save on the shipping costs, I'll buy you 2 beers!! :-) Marc. On 1/22/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Sean! On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/22/07 7:36 PM, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 12:17, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Wow somebody buy this guy a beer! Best place would be the beer event of fosdem. Friday evening. ;) Deal. Drinks will be on me! -Sean Does that mean Openmoko will be at FOSDEM in Brussels next month? and you are refering to this friday: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/beerevent ? I'll be there too in that case. (To the wiki-listbot, yes I'll add something to the wiki about this too, if confirmed) Hehe...we'll be there. I'll buy you a drink, too. I would expected that the people would came to the FOSDEM to see the OpenMoko/Neo1973 for the first time - or to save shipping cost to get one device... but comming for a free beer? Ok I was kidding, of course it would be fun to meet you! But how many people of this list would go to Brussel? BTW: We need T-Shirts till then! Anybody good graficaly ideas¹? But Sean, when you are at the FOSDEM, do you need a table in BXL? Look: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/booths Many Open... there, but OpenMoko is still missing. When it belongs to a missing table, I could bring one with me from Aachen. Cheers, rob PS: FOSDEM would be a good place to save shipping costs, but maybe it is a little bit early for many phones: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/00.html But it would be great place to see the OpenMoko/Neo1973 live - right? :)) ¹ I have a not so good one to change: vim 7iCode 7x faster!Esc. to call 7 time better: vi7Ijoin Openmoko!Esc once funny, but not for all. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
You want one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ ? Marc. On 1/20/07, Josef Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 04:07:40PM +0100, Torsten Röhl wrote: Why - QWERTY keypad ? we have a wide screen 2,8 inch and i love the new iphone concept without qwerty keypad. I hope that the next neo1973 generation phones are also iphone like (without qwerty keypad) ... i think a neo1973 next generation phone with qwerty keypad is just another phone and not more the wonderful neo1973 linux phone. Ough! I just can't imagine how to use emacs with this new iphone concept. While this new concept is a fine thing for a phone, I'd like to be able to do _real_ work with it. I'm a developer, so my main tool is emacs, but there are more tasks (e.g. email/mail) where a kbd would be usefull. With a proper keyboard, we would have a laptop-replacement. No way to do _real_ work with a touchscreen. Unless I can connect a _real_ keyboard (probably via usb), I don't need this phone. I like the concept and the idea, but... no kbd implies no emacs... No way. Sorry. Please note that I'm not talking about integrating a mini-keyboard (like the original poster said). I'm just talking about the possibility to connect an usb-keyboard. BTW: Any new information how long we have to wait for our new toy? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming oportunities
Hi everyone. Ever since I 'met' the OpenMoko I wanted one. And since it has AGPS on board, it could be even more usefull to me. I love riding a motorcycle and was hoping that this thingy could be turned into a TomTom rider equivalent. Meaning that I need large buttons when using gloves. Looks like there are already people here with a _lot_ of UI experience. Things are looking good :-) Marc. On 1/16/07, Engin Erenturk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi again; the main problem with touch screen controls is you cannot give the user my hands fits on this button feeling. this feeling makes the players comfortable about controlling the characters, etc. on th screen. as i said before, also virrtual keypads can be used, or just touching can be a great idea for games... we had some experiences with touchscreen gaming, and the users mainly don't like to playimg doom-like games with a touchscreen, they feel more comfortable with arcade style games... gamers mostly used to a controlling device like joypads, mouse, or keyboards nowadays. and as we experienced, gamers like the analog joysticks of gamepads most. because it gives the feeling of really controlling the character on the screen. but with ipod usage, people used to control simple and touch input device... and now they like mainly no button idea. so that this is an advantage for touch screen games. and also people nowadays like playing arcade games on every playform (even the next-gen gaming consoles). maybe another problem is the response time of the touch screens. this could effect the gameplay experience. the main problem can be the usage of the screen. this is what Nokia N-Gage bumps onto wall. they didn't used a psp like widescreenish screen for gaming. and this became a huge limitation for game developers. If there is a vertical usage oportunity in games, then the games can be more attractive for people. i want to tell you about one of my experiences. we've developed two soccer games for mobile phones (a j2me game, not a s60 game). in the first edition we used the screen as n-gage used, people liked the game but in the second edition we usd the screen in vertical position. then the number pad became like a joypad for right hand. and the area of usage became incredibly beatiful. it triple the first edition downloads and people returned incredibly beatiful comments to us. because there was no (maybe 1-2 more) games that uses the screen of mobile phones vertical. sorry for the long mail :) but i'm really curious about this device. i'm curious about the graphics capabilities, i'm curious about the shape in the hand (as i said before, if i use it veritcal will it be comfortable in my hand?), i'm curious about the marketing strategy of the product (distribution of the content), and i'm curious about nearly everything about this thing :) i'm not against of playing games on touch screens, but there are not much examples of this kind of games in the market. with iphone i think there will be a market for touch screen games on itunes, as i said not too complex games, mostly arcades. when openmoko is in the market i'll get one and trye every possibility on it for gaming. maybe it could be a good platform for games too. because today's mobile phones suck with gaming capabilities (in graphics and gaming experience) *Christopher Heiny [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: On Tuesday 16 January 2007 10:20, Gabriel Ambuehl scribbled in crayon on the back of a kid's menu: On Tuesday 16 January 2007 18:51, Engin Erenturk wrote: Hi, I'm Engin; I'm a game developer from Istanbul/Turkey. the thing i wonder most about open openmoko is the gaming oportunities. as i read from mails today, it will have a 640x480 vga screen. Is there any predictions about the gamşing oportunities of this device? Unless your game can be controlled with a touchscreen, you won't like it as gaming device. What don't you like about game control with touchscreen phones? If we know that, we can improve it for OpenMoko. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
