Re: Android open sourced
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:43:00PM -0600, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things have a long way to go. After understanding the predictiveness and creating a portuguese dictionary, I haven't ever written an SMS *ever*since* with a stylus, just the finger... Rui I understand the predictive keyboard and have it mastered with a stylus but it is still insane, sadly when it comes to SMS I'd say that IMO the iPhone wins, I'd be happier wit a number pad like the dialer that just did T9 input frankly. Also to find a contact since the scrolling never works with the use of a finger I have to whip out my stylus to scroll down to who I want to call, if I don't have their # memorized. I love my FreeRunner don't get me wrong but those two things drive me up a wall so quickly that on occasion if I know it's going to be a day filled with lots of SMSing I have been known to grab my old Samsung T409 cause I can text so much faster on it, but that's rare cause I much prefer using my OM. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installer script
Matthew Lane wrote: Hey all, I'm trying to install Debian on the freerunner using the install.sh script. I keep getting stuck at Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. and then my script exits. I've tried individually installing, but after the install step the script fails to install. I've added a u-boot environment boot option to lower the clock to 10,000,000 as instructed on the bug report here: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 After booting with this option, without going into suspend, and after killing qpe: DASH_BINSH=false SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all The script terminates after the partition stage. I'm using a SanDisk 8GB uSDHC card. I'm using the latest GTA02v5_and_up NAND u-boot. I think I remember seeing some more instructions, but I can't seem to find them anywhere. Anyone have an idea of how to proceed from here? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you tried on the 512MB that the majority of FreeRunner's ship with? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] charging problem?
Matthew Lane wrote: I'm running FDOM and I'm trying to charge off the wall charger, but my AUX light doesn't light up, and my battery meter doesn't change to the bolt; essentially my phone won't charge. It will, however, charge from the computer. Is this a known issue? Also, I have posted three times about the Debian installer script and have gotten no replies, does ANYONE know anything about this script before I try to personally e-mail the guys that wrote it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community same problem with 2008.9 release updated using opkg although even when connected to PC it shows that it is not connecting although the force charging shell script reports it is charging. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
William Kenworthy wrote: No, you are in the vast majority I think - those who can reliably make phone and sms calls are in the minority - if they even exist. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Those of use using reliably are minority but we do exist. Occasionally the phone will coma on me and require a hard restart (remove battery and reinsert) but this happens less than once a week in most cases. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] installer script
Matthew Lane wrote: No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? He was saying if you had your 512 to install debian on the 512 and the copy the data from that to your 8gb card -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Jim Morris wrote: Cédric Berger wrote: Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! Maybe we should setup a Neo branch on Androids GIT, and start to collaborate on the port? Anyone else interested? I'm no programmer but I'd love to test out daily builds and report back my findings. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google Android on Neo Freerunner?
Jake Beard wrote: Hi, this is my first post to the list. Now that Google has released the source code of Android, are there any plans to port it to the Neo Freerunner? Thanks, Jake ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Jake, There's already a whole thread about this titled Android open sourced. It appears that talks about porting have already started. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Sam Kuper wrote: 2008/10/21 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you'd probably need to port androids display system to run under x11. ie a android window/surface == x11 window. also emulate any other things via icccm/netwm etc. this would actually be cool. you can run any desktop you like (2007.x matchbox style, e+illume, xfce... or anything else AND run android app AND run qt apps AND run gtk apps.. AND EFL, AND java... AND C#/mono, AND...) That sounds awesome. If this worked, and was stable, the OpenMoko phones could become the ultimate pocket devices: more flexible than the phones designed for (and quite possibly limited to) Android. The scope for increasing one's productivity with such a monster is great indeed, and given that it's this kind of potential for productivity increases that draws me to PDAs, I'm pretty excited by the prospect. spk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community The biggest question I have is would we finally get a decent keyboard for finger usage? I have to use a stylus even to just make calls to people who I do not have their number memorized and it is almost impossible to text via finger on 200x.x. I would love to see a good keyboard, reliable SMS and phone calls, at that point I'll be more than satisfied with my investment, right now I'm happy but feel that things have a long way to go. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
Not everyone has those problems, I experienced those problems only a couple times myself but not every call. I actually use mine daily and rarely switch back to my old phone. Only on days where battery life is crucial (such as long road trips without a car charger) although even that is rare for me. -Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I consider buying Neo Freerunner, and would like to use it with Debian (since its what I have on my PC). I intend to use it as my primary cellphone and not merely as PDA. My problem is the Hardware bugs, mainly concerning audio quality during call, listed here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality : # Caller hears a loud echo of their own voice #1267 # Buzzing noise caused by GSM radio interference #883 #1352 My question is - would those hardware bugs be fixed in some revision of GTA2 or do I have to wait until GTA3? If it is going to be fixed in GTA2 how long could it presumably take before new revision will be available for purchase, and if not, the same question regarding presumable release of GTA3? If neither option will be availabe soon - do you know some alternatives - a smartphone with option to install debian on it, so it could be usable? I ask because of this recent post: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience#Overview : Won't work on om2007 stack. Won't do hardware. thank you in advance Zeev ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: numptyphisics
Previdi Roberto wrote: Hello community. I have a non technical but important question: is there a way to reset a screen of the numptyphisics game when you have filled it with heavy rocks and there is no more chance to put the red in the yellow or viceversa? A secondary question is: is there a way to make a calibration of the pen input? because often i found that the point i draw is shifted of nearly 1 millimeter from the pen, and it's very difficult to press the little arrow to change screen :) btw, many compliments to the author/authors of this fantastic game, maybe if nobody is on it i will try to read the code and see if i can make something for it.. roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Roby, If you have installed the raster type keyboard (with the qwerty button in the upper left) then hit qwerty and then when the keyboard pops up hit the letter 'r' and you should be good to go. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsmhandset state file to test
David Samblas wrote: Hi there on of our colleges[1] of the spanish list has provided us with an gsmhanset state file that solves low volume on call reciver , I have barelly tested it alone with a phone en each ear :). I will test it further along the day and post the results, any one else willing to try is wellcome to do it. from neo or ssh console cd /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ mv gsmhandset.state gsmhandset.state.original wget http://n2.nabble.com/attachment/1129707/0/gsmhandset.state [1]The original post http://n2.nabble.com/-Fwd%3A-eco-y-audio--tc1129707ef1958.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community People aren't having any problems hearing me with this state file but I can't hear anything on the already quiet speaker. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Top bar does not appear
Denis Galvão wrote: On 02/10/2008, at 16:53, arne anka wrote: no. but fso has it's own life independent of debian -- otoh debian on fr makes only sense when using fso. So, the FSO are a bunch o deb packages for Debian to communicate with the Dbus. Right? well, it _is_ a bit confusing, but the wiki has at least one page explaining the different terms and their relationships. Im really eating the wiki, maybe this why Im confused. Will continue learning... Thanks, -- Denis Galvão AsteriskBrasil.org Ajude a comunidade AsteriskBrasil.org, compre uma camiseta! http://www.voipmania.com.br ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'll go down the list to give a quick overview where possible. FSO is a framework distribution. It is not actually related to debian specifically. Debian made its port of the armv4 branch compatible and added the FSO packages to make it run on the FR. FSO can actually be run as it's own system without Debian installed. OM200X.Y are distributions focused more on creating the UI for the phone. If it can be done in FSO it might not be in OM and vice-versa. The other distributions haven't come up in this thread so I'll not add any additional confusion by talking about any other software for the phone. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: No it is definitely the power button (the round one below the usb plug) staying lit red. I'm running the FSO image. - Original Message - From: Angus Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:19 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. The power button is the round one. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community If you're running FSO the Power button turns orange while charging where in ASU the AUX button lights while charging. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: Yes. I have my fr plugged into the OpenMoko wall charger. Then I try NOR boot but nothing happens. I have tried NOR boot plugged in and not plugged in. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:37:22 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community What I had meant is that I hope they find away to allow 1000mA charging while powered off so that you don't have to let it tricle charge for the entire night to power it on at only partial power. Of all the phones I've owned none of them had this problem and it's probably the most annoying problem I can think of with the OpenMoko. Lucikly for me I'm the type to plug in my phone daily so it isn't a problem but I could see it becoming one in the future when more and more people start using the OpenMoko products. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: As long as it eventually comes back on I'm fine. I didn't realize that the wall charger would eventually get enough charge in the battery to boot it. My impression from the other thread was that once the battery was dead you were screwed without an external charger or extra battery. - Original Message - From: Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:52:32 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Nope, don't need the external, but if it is flat dead to where NOR won't start you'll be a few hours (charges at 50mA IIRC) before you can even try again. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stable OM distro
Maciej Piechotka wrote: What's currently the most stable? I'd need to: - Entry pin (I haven't manage to do it in 2008.8 despite moving pen up) - Phone/Recive SMS - Have GPS/WiFi - Have USB Networking for initial setup FSO: Not stable (breakes calls, not recive sms etc.) 2008.8: Can't enter pin 2007.11: Breakes after update (cannot boot) celtune: usb0: no such device I had perfectly set-up phone but it had broken and I had it replaced. Regards Maciej, Have you given Qtopia a shot? Also try the trick with 2008 again, sometimes if you slide the pen up on the keyboard it doesn't register, took me a few tries to get it two switch keyboards. Also give FDOM a shot, it's like 2008 but has extra programs by default and the keyboard has an easier selection method. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
nickd wrote: Have you tried to use the default Qtopia Messages client? I see it has room for emails but I havne't tested it myself. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I tried it myself, don't know if Bill has, and didn't get it to work right. It apparently has issues with SSL so it doesn't work with my google apps, wanted to start receiving the mailing lists to my phone but without SSL support it isn't possible. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
W.Kenworthy wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtmail might help to get SSL working. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Worked like a charm for incoming, didn't check outbound though. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
Well it was working perfectly but as Bill has pointed out this application is painfully slow, would it be possible to get thunderbird ported for mail and get a dedicated SMS app? -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] new release 20080927
Peter Neubauer wrote: Hi there, trying to flash the new releases ...jffs as roofs, I get an exception not being able to flash from dfu-util and on the FreeRunner, End of write exceeds particion end. Anything in my setup that is wrong? /peter GTalk:neubauer.peter Skypepeter.neubauer ICQ18762544 Phone +46704 106975 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer http://www.neo4j.org - New Energy for Data - the Graph Database. http://www.ops4j.org - New Energy for OSS Communities - Open Participation Software. http://www.qi4j.org- New Energy for Java - Domain Driven Development. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Might be writing it to the wrong alternative. Using dfu-util the alternative should be rootfs. Also make sure it is writing to the openmoko, there is the possibility, like with my laptop, that you'll have multiple dfu capable devices. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to Freerunner!!
Kishore wrote: Currently downloading image So i should use the same kernel image as the 2008.8 but only reflash the rootfs i presume? FDOM does look interesting. I flashed both myself and haven't had any major problems, every now and then I'll have to reboot or it may get stuck in suspend but nothing major and not often either. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to Freerunner!!
Kishore wrote: I am new to this community. I just got myself the freerunner a couple of days back. I am a fairly experienced user of Linux/Debian/Kubuntu on the desktop and this is my first experience with something like the freerunner. Anyway i am happy with the hardware and i have been through the wiki and am still trying to make my way through the amount of information available in there. The first thing i did after the free runner landed was i reflashed the firmware to the 2008.8. I have it boothing but i have not go tit to do anything useful. Wifi does not connect and the GPS does not work. There exists no filemanager/ media player by default and so essentially i still have nothing usable. I would appreciate anyone guiding me or pointing me to a location where i can get the needed information. What i need to being is 1) Get the wifi to connect. It currently invariably always says something like Error: Unable to connect to the network 2) Get my GPS working. TangoGPS says no GPS found and locations says unable to get a fix. 3) How do i exchange data between my PC and the FR so that i could push my MP3's and documents etc. 4) A good music player, web browser and PDF reader. Thanks to everyone who made this product what it is. Over the next couple of months i wish to have my Qt apps i've written for the desktop ported to this platform. In that regard i have not read anywhere about it but i hope the USB port operates in host mode and i would need it to interface with certain USB (1.1) hardware. Try flashing FDOM, has a lot of little fixes in it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Getting rid of the bottom bar
Charles-Henri Gros wrote: The bottom bar is pretty useless and takes up valuable real estate. Is there a way to disable it? (I already managed to remove the installer from it) Thanks, Charles, I have been trying to find out the answer to this question for quite some time now. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Getting rid of the bottom bar
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:26:02 -0700 Charles-Henri Gros charles-henri.gros [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: The bottom bar is pretty useless and takes up valuable real estate. Is there a way to disable it? (I already managed to remove the installer from it) you would need to hide the theme elements for it but that wont make it not use space as the space is always allocated for it. this is what om's design wanted. they want those 3 boxes at the bottom of every screen. its part of the design. as such i should make all these things optional and probably into gadgets - i just didnt have the time to before to do it properly. With it being open I would have loved to have seen them modularize the entirety of it (including top/bottom bars. Maybe I want to move the menu to the bottom and remove the triple-box all-together? I'd like to see how to remove the bottom bar and use the extra space for everyday uses. Also illume-config doesn't allow me to set terminal keyboard as the default for texts so if the keyboard crashes (I'm using FDOM which is modified 2008.X) then it goes back to default instead of terminal. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Nishit Dave wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When i ordered the phone the reseller said on the website that the phone isn't useable for daily use and is only for enthusiasts. And this information was everywhere in the net even at july when i ordered my phone. So don't say you didn't noticed this when you ordered your phone. Or did you just click-buy without researching anything about the things you want to buy? ;) See: http://www.idasystems.net/ and http://www.idasystems.net/freerunner They have updated the website, raised the FR's price (because they didn't figure out octroi earlier?) but still no mention of it not being usable for daily use. In fact, when I bought it, they had a 30 day return policy, which I did not invoke, considering I should support the effort and trust Openmoko to deliver. Now they seem to have removed the return policy. And by the way, what do Openmoko have to say about the FR? http://www.openmoko.com/product.html# The only (implied) warning one could have come across in the early days of the launch was the *Community Portal*, which is the wiki, saying that this was a developer release of the FR. So how many phone purchase decisions are made on the basis of a *community portal's* hint, when the corporate and reseller websites do not point out that it is an experimental device at all? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I fail to see the purpose of this argument. With the right level of enthusiasm, a little configuration and remembering to plug it in when you're not there to manually suspend it, the phone works as a phone with 2008.8 just fine. I use mine every day and since receiving it have not turned on my old phone, not even once! Before I get flamed though I will state I am an avid Linux user. I am comfortable with command line or GUI, and actually tend to prefer the CLI. For those who are very new to Linux or are still scared of the command line might I suggest studying and becoming comfortable with CLI first for now since, until the software has been stabilized further, these complains will continue to exist. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Nishit Dave wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see the purpose of this argument. With the right level of enthusiasm, a little configuration and remembering to plug it in when you're not there to manually suspend it, the phone works as a phone with 2008.8 just fine. I use mine every day and since receiving it have not turned on my old phone, not even once! More power to you! Before I get flamed though I will state I am an avid Linux user. I am comfortable with command line or GUI, and actually tend to prefer the CLI. For those who are very new to Linux or are still scared of the command line might I suggest studying and becoming comfortable with CLI first for now since, until the software has been stabilized further, these complains will continue to exist. I will wait avidly for the day, but I don't think I should be holding my breath. In the mean time, I hope the people at OM get their hands on a proper Linux phone, so they can see how really usable and bug-free it can be. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'd like to see one that isn't based heavily on Java other than openmoko. I had been waiting for this phone for 3 years because it just happened to be my forte. I know it's current usage as a phone can be daunting or limited but from the advancements I've seen just since I've started watching the community I can't wait to see what happens before the year is even over. Usability has improved, according to what I've read before I purchased my FR, by leaps and bounds in the past 6 months, I wait to see what the next 6 months hold. Also the OpenMoko software is going to change by leaps and bounds when FSO becomes stabilized. Software will have a base platform from which to build upon. It will be up to the developer to choose a front end and a language but the calls will all go to dbus. I do agree, the people who run that vendor's site SHOULD state it is still a developer centric release as of right now but there's nothing that will change what has already happened. If you're not impressed then please submit bug reports, feature requests, etc to the mailing lists, bug tracker or even the IRC chat. If there's one thing I have learned since joining the OpenMoko community, it is that people love to help in any way they can. I have worked with two developers so far to work on making a gui for flashing or managing your openmoko. I haven't contributed much code if any but I was just happy to help. Isn't that the point of open source and free software, /to share the knowledge you have with someone who has knowledge you might not/? -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NeoTool v1.1 is available
Tomasz Melcer wrote: On 2008-09-17, Dale Maggee wrote: - Backup has been radically enhanced, and now supports configurable backup filenames, as well as the ability to backup everything via a combination of the mkfs-jffs2 and dfu -U methods. Does the dfu upload work for you? I tried to do some uploads, but either dfu-util returned an error, or even if it didn't, the backup was unusable --- there were filesystem errors after flashing FR with them. Tomasz Melcer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Tomasz, From what I remember reading, somewhere in the wiki, that dfu-util has a bug in the upload feature currently that causes that. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM 080909] - Suspend not working
Linus Gasser wrote: Hello list, I'm trying to get my phone into suspend mode, and out of it. But for the moment it seems it doesn't even get into it. If I ssh into it and do # apm --suspend the log (in /var/log/messages) shows me: Sep 17 06:41:19 om-gta02 daemon.notice apmd[1343]: Suspending now Sep 17 06:41:19 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 0 Sep 17 06:41:20 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 Sep 17 06:41:21 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,0402 Sep 17 06:41:23 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 20, 99, 2 Sep 17 06:41:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,03FD Sep 17 06:41:37 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 15, 99, 1 Sep 17 06:41:57 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,03FF Sep 17 06:42:05 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 18, 99, 2 Sep 17 06:42:29 om-gta02 authpriv.info dropbear[1615]: Child connection from 192.168.0.200:50413 Sep 17 06:42:31 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 Sep 17 06:42:31 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 0 Sep 17 06:42:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,0402 Sep 17 06:42:36 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 20, 99, 2 Sep 17 06:42:52 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 Sep 17 06:42:52 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 0 Sep 17 06:42:55 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,0402 Sep 17 06:42:57 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 20, 99, 2 Which seems to me like the modem doesn't want to go into suspend-mode. Does anybody have any clue? The kernel is # uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Sep 3 19:01:18 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown Thanks for any help that doesn't include download newest FDOM, as internet is expensive and very slow here... Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community If you have GPRS turned on you may want to try turning that off, that is the only known issue I can think of. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NeoTool v1.1 is available
Dale Maggee wrote: I've been hard at work again, and a new version my utility is now available... I've renamed it (again) to NeoTool. Download it from [1] I've also created a wiki page for it at [2], and linked to it from the Flash and Backup wiki pages. Major new features include: - Support for multiple DFU-capable devices - you'll see a menu asking you to choose which device if you have more than one attached - Backup has been radically enhanced, and now supports configurable backup filenames, as well as the ability to backup everything via a combination of the mkfs-jffs2 and dfu -U methods. There are also other improvements and changes which are documented on the wiki page. [1] http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotool [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool enjoy! -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Dale, This is some great work! Thank you for letting me work with you on this to support multiple devices. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast dfu-util for Mac?
Abdelrazak, I would love to know how to make it act in this manner, I'd love to not wait so long to finish flashing some days. -Shawn Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Linus, 15 minutes is average for flashing my FR with anything I've tried so far. From what I found on the wiki the device is only USB1.1 so it isn't going to get any faster than that until a revision which moves to USB2.0. Well, 97MB is 776Mbit, USB1.1 is capable of either 1.5 Mbit/s (Low-Speed) and 12 Mbit/s (Full-Speed). So flashing it should take less than 9 minutes with low speed and a bit more than a minute with full-speed. Maybe I am wrong but my conclusion is that the Freerunner only use the low speed protocol of USB. If I am right, there is room to get 8 times faster on Linux too. Abdel. -Shawn Linus Gasser wrote: Hello all, another question: if I boot the jffs from FDOM (97MB), it takes nearly 15 minutes on my Mac with the dfu-util from http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher I heard somebody complain about the same issue on Windows. Is there another solution than to install Linux on my Mac? Anybody? Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Startup/Xstart image replacement (How to remove the boots?!)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The boot splash should be flashed in its own partition. It was mentioned on the -devel list that it is apparently going to be part of the next upgrade. I posted the link to that message on the list last week IIRC, suggesting to add it to the zenity interface. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Minh, That is the u-boot splash image that is on its own partition, not the kernel's bootsplash or x-start-splash. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Startup/Xstart image replacement (How to remove the boots?!)
Minh Ha Duong wrote: Le mardi 16 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Wasn't that info already in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen ? Yes. The wiki is not searchable and findable enough, both Shawn and I missed that page. Minh Minh, I saw that page and flashed a new image to the u-boot's splash but I cannot find how to rid my phone of the boots and make my own. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM -- Gestures program not working?
Kelvie Wong wrote: In the latest (20080913) FDOM, it comes with a Gestures program; but I haven't been able to get it to train any gestures. Is anyone else seeing this problem? Anyone know the root cause (or a fix?) I can choose an item, and it will ask me to make the gesture, but no matter how much I shake it, it will not respond. Take a look at the gestures page on the wiki, you have to manually start the gestures daemons from what I remember. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Predictive keyboard not actually predictive?
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 12:07:52PM +0200, Neil Jerram wrote: Hello everyone, this is my first openmoko email, so please be gentle! It seems clear to me that the so-called predictive keyboard is not actually predictive at all; it is actually fuzzy, in terms of how it maps your stylus or finger position to a set of possible intended letters. In particular, surely this text in the wiki - The word recognition will try to guess the next inputs and displays the word it thinks you want to write. - is just nonsense, isn't it? I've never seen it guess at any letters beyond those that I've already pressed. I'm ready to register and update the wiki to say something closer to reality - but I just want to check first that I'm not missing or misunderstanding something. I actually think of it as restrictive instead of predictive because it only allows me to write what it thinks I want, and should give up as soon as it couldn't match a word. Having to wait 2s per letter for it to write what I want instead of what it thinks I want sucks :) Rui I'd have to agree with Rui, I've installed FDOM which has raster's terminal keyboard so I just don't worry about it anymore -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DFUScript v0.1 - Script to help flashing
Dale, I would be honored to see my code used in a project that serves a wider audience. I wrote the script mainly for my own use and figured I would submit it as a community project for those who wanted to use and/or improve upon it. To find multiple DFU devices I would have to type dfu-util -l then pass dfu-util -d hexcode -a alternate -R -D imagefile.bin or some similar command to flash my device. Now I type ./dfuscript device alternate file.bin which takes me about half of what it did since I no longer need to list to grab the hex or type in additional arguments such as -R or -D. The hex codes should be static for all Neo1973 or Neo FreeRunners as far as I'm aware. If anyone knows otherwise please correct me. I think that adding the option to select your device type and then what images you would like to update would be great, a setup menu, as you suggested, would work for this also. One feature I would love to see is the option you mentioned of updating multiple sections at once. Ex: if I have a new kernel and rootfs, instead of doing them separately I would be able to select, via a checkbox instead of radio-button, both of them, select each file, confirm that is what I want to flash to each section and finally be advised that I should power into NAND/NOR and press ok for it to loop through each section. My script doesn't have this ability but it was something I considered as it would make life quite a bit faster in that regard. If I knew more about coding I would love to contribute additional code but for now all I can offer is what I have done so far. If any of my code could be useful to your script please use it. The fact that two open source fans can build upon each-other's work is why I love and back open-source wherever I can. I'm looking forward to seeing more improvements to the gui and hopefully eventually seeing my script being made completely obsolete or even integrated into your program in some form. -Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson Dale Maggee wrote: Shawn, I don't have multiple devices which support DFU, but I'd love to add support for this in my utility, so can you give me some advice on how this might work? - is there a way to list attached devices which are DFU-capable? - how are these hex codes obtained? - since you have them hardcoded, I assume they're an identifier code which is the same for all FR's and all 1973s (i.e the code identifies the type of device)? - is the hex code an argument you always need to pass if you're flashing a 1973 (i.e if you only have 1 device attached and it's a 1973, do you still need to give it the hex code or does it detect the 1973 and flash it without the hex code)? One thought which might be the easiest method is to implement it as an item in the 'setup' menu which allows you to choose between a freerunner and a 1973 and provides the appropriate hex code. but it would be nice if I could detect that you have 2 devices attached and show an 'which device do you want to flash?' screen with a list of detected devices. this way if you only have one device attached it doesn't matter whether it's a 1973 or a freerunner. I am planning on adding command line support for my script, which should make you happy. I may 'borrow' some of your code to implement this ;) I will also add a 'flashing u-boot on a 1973 may give you a paperweight' warning to my tool. I should probably also change all references to 'freerunner' in my script to say 'neo'. as for the 'only have 30 seconds' thing, this is why I have the 'now is the time to turn on your device and activate the nand/nor menu' screen - the idea is that you select your desired flashing option, then get into the nand/nor menu on your device, then press OK and it starts. this is also why I included the ability to flash multiple images at once - so that for example you can flash rootfs and kernel without having the thing power off while you're typing the second command [I also type quicker than I click, but I don't do either particularly quickly ;) ] Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Minh, I am aware of Dale's work but if you have multiple devices that support DFU then the gui will error out. I have seen the UI and it does look very promising. I may stop using my script and go back to Dale's gui when it supports the ability to select a specific device. I am kind of a CLI enthusiast because I type much faster than I can click, which is good when you've only got 30 seconds to issue a command. Thanks for the suggestion, I will add the link now. -Shawn Minh Ha Duong wrote: Shawn: are you aware of Dale's work ? May I suggest also a link to the script's page from: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#A_script_to_do_all_this_from_a_nice_GUI... Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list
Re: DFUScript v0.1 - Script to help flashing
Dale, After looking at the source I may actually be able to assist in adding some of the code. I have work today so it would have to be later on. Also a suggestion is instead of telling someone to turn on their device and press ok, allow them to also cancel this action (for people like me who are only testing the program) ;) First here is the hex codes to select: Freerunner: 0x1d50:0x5119 Neo1973: 0x1457:0x5119 Flash kernel on freerunner: dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D ./kernel.image.bin The output of dfu-util -l looks like this (the hardware you see is not my phone but my laptop's built in bluetooth). dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Found Runtime: [0x413c:0x8126] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name=UNDEFINED I'll look through the source of your gui and see what I can add in terms of selecting multiple devices and such. Will it add only the Neo1973 and Freerunner or allow it to do any listed device but just have the freerunner and neo1973 auto recognize? For me the reason I hard coded mine is because I am horrible with regex ;) Hope this info helps. -Shawn Dale Maggee wrote: Shawn, replies inline. Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Dale, I would be honored to see my code used in a project that serves a wider audience. I wrote the script mainly for my own use and figured I would submit it as a community project for those who wanted to use and/or improve upon it. hehe, same here - I modified the original script for my own use, and decided to put it out there. fortunately for the 'wider audience' you mention, I'm part of that wider audience insofar as I'm have been known to make stupid mistakes every now and then, and I like to protect myself from them! When I say 'Idiot-proofing', I'm usually talking about myself! ;) To find multiple DFU devices I would have to type dfu-util -l then pass dfu-util -d hexcode -a alternate -R -D imagefile.bin or some similar command to flash my device. Now I type ./dfuscript device alternate file.bin which takes me about half of what it did since I no longer need to list to grab the hex or type in additional arguments such as -R or -D. The hex codes should be static for all Neo1973 or Neo FreeRunners as far as I'm aware. If anyone knows otherwise please correct me. thanks for the info. Adding this to my utility will be a priority once I get the dfu-util -l output from Bill (you could send it too if you like) I think that adding the option to select your device type and then what images you would like to update would be great, a setup menu, as you suggested, would work for this also. have you checked out the latest version of my utility? see [1]. The current version has a setup menu already, I'm thinking that this would be the place to put this option. but if dfu-util -l gives hex codes I'll make it an option which will appear if multiple dfu-capable devices are attached, and it will list the devices and allow you to choose which one to flash. One feature I would love to see is the option you mentioned of updating multiple sections at once. Ex: if I have a new kernel and rootfs, instead of doing them separately I would be able to select, via a checkbox instead of radio-button, both of them, select each file, confirm that is what I want to flash to each section and finally be advised that I should power into NAND/NOR and press ok for it to loop through each section. My script doesn't have this ability but it was something I considered as it would make life quite a bit faster in that regard. This is exactly what my utility does - it has checkboxes instead of radio buttons, you choose what to flash, then the file(s) you want to flash, then it shows you a confirmation screen which also advises you to go to NAND/NOR, you press OK, and it flashes everything you chose. my tool is (now very loosely) based on the script by rorschach. This is the one which had radio buttons. I suspect that you're thinking of his script and not my version. The reason I modified it was to be able to flash multiple images at once... Then I kept thinking of other things to add ;) (the original list of things I did to rorschach's script can be found at [2]) if you can make it through all my rambling at [1], you'll see that I make mention of being able to use my tool via the command-line. This would also support flashing multiple files at once I envision something like this: frutil --flash kernel=/path/to/kernelfile.bin rootfs=/path/to/rootfsfile.jffs2 splash=/path/to/splashfile.tar.gz If I knew more about coding I would love to contribute additional code but for now all I can offer is what I have done so far. If any of my code could be useful to your script please use
Re: DFUScript v0.1 - Script to help flashing
Minh, I am aware of Dale's work but if you have multiple devices that support DFU then the gui will error out. I have seen the UI and it does look very promising. I may stop using my script and go back to Dale's gui when it supports the ability to select a specific device. I am kind of a CLI enthusiast because I type much faster than I can click, which is good when you've only got 30 seconds to issue a command. Thanks for the suggestion, I will add the link now. -Shawn Minh Ha Duong wrote: Shawn: are you aware of Dale's work ? May I suggest also a link to the script's page from: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#A_script_to_do_all_this_from_a_nice_GUI... Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
