Re: CMOS battery replacement
On 12/19/2015 9:27 AM, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi, Am 12.12.2015 um 03:06 schrieb Benjamin Deering <ben_deer...@jeepingben.net>: On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:38:54 -0800 Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: That's a lot more work than I had hoped. Thanks very much for the info though. If I'm going to be soldering I might as well try to fix the USB port and GPS port at the same time. -Andrew On 12/11/2015 1:30 PM, Benjamin Deering wrote: The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and won't push out. I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several years ago. http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a little work. If you get the exact replacement part, it would be easy if you have soldering experience. I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges the backup bat/cap not being set high. Good luck, Ben On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800 Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge because the USB port is disconnected. I've been using a spare GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it since network time doesn't work. I couldn't find any information on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and have recommendations? The GTA04 already has a supercap in battery shape. They came to the market in ~2011. Since there is nothing to replace (a supercap rarely fails), it is most likely a software issue that the charging current provided by the tpw65950 is not enabled. That's good to know. I had foolishly assumed that the GTA04 used the same solution as the GTA02. So which OS are you using? In most systems I know, the RTC "resets" to 1st Jan 2000. I'm using Radek's last QtMoko, v56 for GTA04, kernel 3.7.0-gta04-qtmoko-v56. The RTC *does* reset to 1 Jan 2000 0:00 but I'm at UTC -8:00 so it becomes Dec 31, 1999 16:00. If I could trigger the tpw65950 manually via console every once in a while that would be fine enough. Thanks, -Andrew I was successful in fixing the USB port, but never tried the GPS port. The GPS port is under a lot of stress when the board is installed. Should not be the case. You should move the USB+GPS socket as flat as possible into or out from the case. Then push out the case at the position of the headset connector so that the latter snaps down a little in its hole. This avoids breaking off connectors. See also photos in chapter 4 (especially page 18) of the GTA04 system manual: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/47/ I ended up giving up on the traces and soldering thin wires to the ESD protection chip and to the leads on the jack. That is fine and indeed sometimes needed if a socket was broken off. After getting the USB port connected electrically, I used JB weld epoxy to fix it mechanically. The repair lasted years including some pretty rough use and being reflow soldered. Good luck, Ben I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them so I didn't push too hard. Because of this, I don't even know the exact type of button cell to buy to replace it. Any help would be appreciated. The GTA04 original part is a PAS414HR-VG1. BTW: it should also work in the GTA02 (which has a real 3.3V LiIon cell in 414 package). Thanks, -Andrew BR and also good luck, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CMOS battery replacement
That's a lot more work than I had hoped. Thanks very much for the info though. If I'm going to be soldering I might as well try to fix the USB port and GPS port at the same time. -Andrew On 12/11/2015 1:30 PM, Benjamin Deering wrote: The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and won't push out. I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several years ago. http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a little work. If you get the exact replacement part, it would be easy if you have soldering experience. I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges the backup bat/cap not being set high. Good luck, Ben On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800 Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote: The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge because the USB port is disconnected. I've been using a spare GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it since network time doesn't work. I couldn't find any information on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and have recommendations? I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them so I didn't push too hard. Because of this, I don't even know the exact type of button cell to buy to replace it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, -Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
CMOS battery replacement
The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge because the USB port is disconnected. I've been using a spare GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it since network time doesn't work. I couldn't find any information on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and have recommendations? I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them so I didn't push too hard. Because of this, I don't even know the exact type of button cell to buy to replace it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, -Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
On 5/19/2014 12:28 PM, Michael Spacefalcon wrote: joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: I may end up doing that, but there isn't a T-Mobile store very conveniently located for me, I've heard that MetroPCS and Simple Mobile are T-Mobile resellers. If you spot either of these two in your area, try going in there and asking for a test SIM. I can verify that SimpleMobile is a T-Mobile MVNO, but I thought MetroPCS was Sprint. -Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Does the info in System Info - Modem and SIM look reasonable? -Andrew On 5/16/2014 7:25 PM, Nick wrote: Hi all, I haven't been using my phone much recently, but it's always been reasonably reliable when I have. Today I turned it on, and all day it has just said searching for network. I haven't moved, and I'm in an urban enough place that I don't think it's plausible for a tower to have gone down or something. I'm not sure where to go or what to look for to debug this. I've restarted the phone multiple times without success. Any advice? Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GSM not turning on / registering
Nah, that was just a guess that the SIM wasn't seated properly. If you haven't used the SIM in months the carrier may have de-registered it. Other than that Radek might know a way of getting more debugging output. -Andrew On 5/16/2014 7:52 PM, Nick wrote: Quoth Andrew Schenck: Does the info in System Info - Modem and SIM look reasonable? It does, yes, to my untrained eye; no not found or anything like that. Is there anything specific I should be looking for? Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA
I can corroborate that report. Bought my FR from Belgium, so I presume its the 900/1800/1900 version, but I haven't found any way to verify that. It works fine in San Francisco, CA and Chicago and central Illinois on Simplemobile (which uses T-Mobile's network). -Andrew On 2/21/2014 4:37 AM, Ed Kapitein wrote: Hi Nick, Thanks for the change in tone, for me it was more then welcome. I have been to the USA with my FR and had no problem whatsoever in connecting to the network, also the gprs worked just fine. I did bought a USA sim card on ebay, just to cut the costs. I traveled California, Nevada, Montanna, Sout Dakota and Colorado on the T-Mobile network. Kind regards, Ed On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 12:07 +, Nick wrote: Hi folks, A change of tone for the list, for now. I'm going to the USA soon, and would ideally like to use my GTA02 there. It is a European 900/1800/1900MHz version (I presume - I bought it 2nd hand - is there an easy way to check?). Can I just use any network in the USA, and it will just register with the 1900MHz band and all just work? [0] implies that would work, but [1] implies it may depend on the area of the USA, and I lack the knowledge to readily figure it out. Any clues? Thanks, Nick 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies#United_States_Carrier_Frequency_Use 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands#Americas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM frequency bands in the USA
That's much easier than I thought it would be, then I can confirm that I have the wrong 900/1800/1900MHz but it still works fine. -Andrew On 2/21/2014 10:03 AM, joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Fri 21 February 2014 18:51:37 Andrew Schenck wrote: its the 900/1800/1900 version, but I haven't found any way to verify On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 12:07 +, Nick wrote: there. It is a European 900/1800/1900MHz version (I presume - I bought it 2nd hand - is there an easy way to check?). Can I just use Under battery, on the label, right side directly above the ASSEMBLY IN CHINA writing...! /j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [gta02] a few questions
On 11/14/2013 12:17 AM, matteo sanvito wrote: / // Hi ed, // I don't know about your first question, while about the second one, // try to change to after ...STAT1) // // I'm glad to see that there is someone other that still uses gta02 :') // // Best regards, // matte // / Hi Matteo, Thanks for your reply! Could you explain a bit more why to change for ? Wouldn't changing: if(!readw(host-base + GLAMO_REG_MMC_RB_STAT1) GLAMO_STAT1_MMC_IDLE) to: if(!readw(host-base + GLAMO_REG_MMC_RB_STAT1) GLAMO_STAT1_MMC_IDLE) Change the logic of the program? Yes, this would change the behavior. Specifically, is a bitwise-and operator, whereas is a short-circuit and. I haven't actually looked at the code, but its likely that readw() returns an int or a char instead of a bool, so is comparing this to a mask constant. If any of the '1' bits in the binary representation of the return from readw match the '1' bits in the mask it will return non-zero, which is equivalent to 'true' in c-based languages. In the first case the if statement would be true if either readw(host-base + GLAMO_REG_MMC_RB_STAT1) is false, or GLAMO_STAT1_MMC_IDLE is true. in the second case the if statement would be true if eadw(host-base + GLAMO_REG_MMC_RB_STAT1) is false and GLAMO_STAT1_MMC_IDLE is true. I can't tell from the source code what the intention of the program was. The reason the compiler gave you the warning is that it can't tell what the intent is either. It could either be apply bitwise-not to the value returned from readw, then bitwise-and that to the mask and go into the block if the result is non-zero or it could be bitwise-and the return from readw() and the mask, then logical-not the result of that and go into the block if the result is true. Based on the operator precedence in C, the compiler will pick the first option, we just have to hope that that is what the original developer intended. Thanks for your time! Kind regards. PS Yes, the GTA02 is still my one and only mobile phone ;-) -Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR-U: Empty VT on resume
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Thomas Zimmermann m...@vdm-design.de wrote: Am Donnerstag 17 Juni 2010, 00:06:59 schrieb pike: Hi has this SHR-U: Empty VT on resume http://shr-users-discussions.2691941.n2.nabble.com/SHR-U-Empty-VT-on-resume -td5005437.html ever been solved ? I've basicly stopped taking my phone with me once this has started. people refer to me as the guy with the open-no-phone :-) For me the issue was gone with the images from mid may. Resoved for me as well. -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Phoenux is coming: Openmoko Beagle
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:28 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: [snip] We can soon provide a printed circuit board (Openmoko Beagle) that can carry a Freerunner display module (incl. touch screen) and is connected to a Beagleboard. It fits into a (slightly cut) Freerunner case (although you can do everything without destroying a Freerunner; only the buttons are a little more difficult to use). I am a BeagleBoard owner and have been looking out for a high resolution (i.e. bigger than the PSP format screens that are popular) touchscreen for it, and this seems to fit the bill :) I've also been keeping an eye on this 7 WVGA kit: http://linuxinstruments.com/brainmux/ -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] root homedir ?
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:52 AM, pike pike-openm...@kw.nl wrote: Hi Since I updated this week, in some occassions, root has homedir / instead of /home/root. This happens for example when starting vala-terminal. Its set ok in /etc/passwd. su root will fix it. Nevertheless, it messed up /, I now have /Desktop, /.e, /.ash_history, etc. Is it just me ? It's not just you. I have exactly the same thing. I didn't realise it until you pointed it out. -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Palm for sale; new open platform opportunity?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8618001.stm Anyone want to go in with me on a purchase bid? I'll put in $100 USD ;) -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner
http://www.technewsdaily.com/hacked-smartphones-could-be-used-to-spy-on-you-100222-0237/ --8-- The researchers say their intent is not to just scare people, but to inspire action. What we’re doing today is raising a warning flag, Iftode said. We’re showing that people with general computer proficiency can create rootkit malware for smart phones. The next step is to work on defenses. The team used an open-source smartphone called the Openmoko FreeRunner running Linux software, but they emphasized that with enough time and effort, any smartphone operating system can be attacked with malware. The Rutgers team plans to use their results to inspire developers to create new ways to detect and prevent rootkit attacks on smartphones because none exist right now. --8-- -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR-U] shr-launcher cannot set categories
I've regularly tried launcher since soon after the first release, and have never been successful adding applications to the categories. I have just tried this again, on a freshly upgraded SHR-U. I installed via opkg install shr-launcher When I go to Category - Set App Categories I get an empty list: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d828b0e8a5cfa71a3792895dba6ed314.png If I click on the Category button and choose a category from the drop list, I get an immediate segmentation fault with no other error shown. If I go to Configure and tap the App Icons - Category and choose a category button I also get a segmentation fault with no other error. In both cases I get the following on stdout: restoring state db ver:37 showing window Getting SMS data.. Getting Calls data.. dbus init over. opim data pending.. Updating SMS data.. Updating Calls Data.. and this on stderr: Segmentation fault Is there anything else I should try? -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] shr-launcher cannot set categories
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Andrew Stephen andrew.step...@gmail.com wrote: I've regularly tried launcher since soon after the first release, and have never been successful adding applications to the categories. I have just tried this again, on a freshly upgraded SHR-U. I installed via opkg install shr-launcher Sorry, I forgot to say: r...@om-gta02 - $ opkg list_installed | grep shr-launcher shr-launcher - 0.0.1+svnr102-r5.4 -- Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr wrote: [snip] I can confirm, but some troubles on the SHRu (Jan 6th) : - Wifi is not available (can't turn on device) - No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides). Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points) I had similar problems until I realised I'd untarred the modules into /home/root instead of / Have you extracted the modules tarball? -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ALL] Moko gone wild!
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I bumped into these articles, suggesting that Moko has gone wild! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6765940/Delinquent-dolphin-Moko-causes-terror-in-the-surf.html http://www.smh.com.au/world/has-moko-the-dolphin-flipped-20091208-khly.html Moko has a very different meaning here in New Zealand. The name of the dolphin comes from a traditional Māori tattoo which shows the wearer's rank and ancestry: http://history-nz.org/maori3.html -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Midori Browser Config
I am using Midori 0.2.1-r1.4 on SHR-U. There are two usability issues which are causing me problems: 1) Location bar suggestions drop-down As I type a URL which matches anything in the history a dropdown appears and the last character I type gets erpeated no matter what other character I actually type. As I type I need to tap in the location bar in between each letter. 2) No way to exit full screen mode In a previous shr-u release there was an icon shown in fuill-screen mode which allowed me to exit full-screen. This no longer appears and I can see no way of returning to windowed mode. Has anybody else experienced these and found a fix? Thanks, -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Midori Browser Config
Hi Thomas, I've just tried 1) with literki and it doesn't have the same problem, so I think you're right, and it does seem to be an Illume keyboard problem. On 12/9/09, Thomas Zimmermann m...@vdm-design.de wrote: Am Dienstag 08 Dezember 2009 22:03:44 schrieb Thomas Zimmermann: Am Dienstag 08 Dezember 2009 21:51:42 schrieb Andrew Stephen: I am using Midori 0.2.1-r1.4 on SHR-U. There are two usability issues which are causing me problems: 1) Location bar suggestions drop-down As I type a URL which matches anything in the history a dropdown appears and the last character I type gets erpeated no matter what other character I actually type. As I type I need to tap in the location bar in between each letter. 2) No way to exit full screen mode In a previous shr-u release there was an icon shown in fuill-screen mode which allowed me to exit full-screen. This no longer appears and I can see no way of returning to windowed mode. Has anybody else experienced these and found a fix? Thanks, I'm just talking to the midori guys how we can solve 2) Midori guys are looking for a solution for 2), i think we will have it in the next release of midori. to 1) i think it's a illume keyboard problem. Some problems to comunicate with gtk apps. Can someone try with another keyboard? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko - QtBackup
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:51 AM, ghislain ghisl...@basetrend.nl wrote: Hi, I just released a new small backup-application (which is not in the QtMoko feeds yet). This little application creates a qtbackup.tgz on the sdcard. The application itself can only create backups, not restore. I've added the restore function to the QtMoko installer-kernel, this kernel checks, after flashing the rootfs, if the qtbackup.tgz file is available and if it is it extracts this file in the root of the freshly flashed rootfs. As you can guess, the main purpose of this little app is te keep settings, applications, contacts etc over new versions. The program I wrote just calls a shell-script wich contains the follwing command: cat qtbackup.conf | xargs tar zcf /media/card/qtbackup.tgz /dev/null 21 The file qtbackup.conf currently has the following lines in it: /home/root /var/lib/bluetooth /usr/share/navit/navit.xml /root/.gconf You can already try this app if you add a new feed with the following url: http://www.openmobile.nl/media/qtmoko I already created an installer-version with the restore function: http://www.openmobile.nl/pages/downloads.php#qtm14b QtMoko V14B Can someony please tell me how to get this app in the QtMoko feeds? (Radek?) And of course I would like to upload the source to some git, qtmoko-apps on github? (Sektor?) I was just about to write something like this (though not nearly as generic) for myself. What a pleasant Wednesday morning surprise... Thanks! -Andy -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/QtMoko-QtBackup-tp3819776p3819776.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU] voting required
2009/7/28 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca: looks great - I took the liberty of adding the version #'s into the output created by the template, so you can see the version #'s on the draft community page. My preference is '8a' I vote for 8a also. -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Qt Extended Improved] Alarm wake up from suspend
Hi all, I've been trying to enable wake from suspend for alarms in QtEI, and I've sorta got it. This file: http://radagast.bglug.ca/openmoko/alarmcontrol.cpp replaces the file of the same name at qt-extended-improved/src/server/coreserver/alarmcontrol.cpp The code will set a RTC alarm 15 seconds before the alarm. The FR will wake up at the appropriate time. But the alarm doesn't go off. Sometimes the alarm will sound 25 seconds later, sometimes longer. The problem seems to be the QObject event Timer system. The AlarmControl system starts a QObject timer. The timer is supposed to generate an event at the alarm time, but the event is late, sometimes very late. Suspend seems to bugger up the QObject timer system. So I'm posting what I've done so far in the hope that a brighter light than I can illuminate the QObject timer problem. later, Andrew Howlett. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Qt-Extended-Improved--Alarm-wake-up-from-suspend-tp2546737p2546737.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qt Extended Improved] Alarm wake up from suspend
Here's some more details about the problem: http://radagast.bglug.ca/openmoko/qt_alarm_comments.txt later, andrew. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Qt-Extended-Improved--Alarm-wake-up-from-suspend-tp2546737p2546874.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] a wishlist
The link at radagast.bglug.ca should compile and work fine with QtE Improved. At least, it is working on my FRv5. I don't know what the QtEI policy is regarding mp3 in their official tree. I submitted the patch to Qtextended.org but AFAIK that site is no longer maintained. The most recent patch at qtextended.org is for 4.3.2 and will not work with 4.4 series. I'm still working on the alarm patch. My first fix for the alarmservice didn't work, but I'm pretty sure I know what's wrong. Just need to find some time. later, radagast. liedekef wrote: 1) mp3 support on the openmoko wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_4.4.3, I found the following link for libmad and qtextended: http://radagast.bglug.ca/openmoko/qt-extended-4.4.3-libmad.tar.gz Is this patch still valid? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-qtextended--a-wishlist-tp2499431p2504570.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Terminal
Radek: thank you very much, this is really great. radagast. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtExtended--Terminal-tp2483468p2489431.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTExtended] Alarm and wakeup
Franky: No, the phone will not wake up for alarms in QtE 4.4.3. But I have been testing a patched clock app which fixes this problem. I should have a stable patch ready by monday. radagast. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QTExtended--Alarm-and-wakeup-tp2469689p2471254.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTExtended] Qt Extended is still going
HouYu Li: Thanks for setting up a repository. I'll try to upload my mp3 clock patches this weekend. radagast. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QTExtended--Qt-Extended-is-still-going-tp2465288p2471285.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone have ogg support in qt extended 4.4.3 ?
Lorn, Chris: thank you! I ssh'd to my FreeRunner and added a line to /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/mime.types: audio/ogg+vorbis oga ogg s Now I can play them using mediaplayer. later, andrew. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Anyone-have-ogg-support-in-qt-extended-4.4.3---tp2455815p2471480.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: latest qt extended?
yes, check this wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_4.4.3 later, andrew. Is the any qt extended release that has been updated recently? I.e, this year? I am looking for one with the echo and WSOD fixes in it. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/latest-qt-extended--tp2362273p2431095.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: latest qt extended?
Sorry Tom, I'll remove the links at the referenced wiki page and update it (tomorrow?) after I've compiled the official 4.4.3 source which trolltech released today. andrew. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/latest-qt-extended--tp2362273p2431189.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Report on 4.4.3 src on FSO
Tomas: I downloaded the .bin and .jffs2 which you had posted - they rock! WSOD is gone, phone sounds good. Thank you very much for posting the backup file. Andrew Howlett. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-QtExtended--Report-on-4.4.3-src-on-FSO-tp2366464p2424257.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions
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Making FreeRunner work as a Phone (using Qt Extended)
Hi all,Spent the last six weeks fooling around with different distributions. Obviously some distros are better than others for certain tasks. IMO Qt Extended is the best for using FreeRunner as a phone (although it sucks for many other tasks!). So I put together some instructions for other total newbs like me:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Getting_the_Freerunner_working_as_a_Phonelater,andrew. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qt Extended 4.4.2 Feed
I couldn't find any good Qt Extended 4.4.2 feeds so I made my own:http://radagast.bglug.ca/neoAll Qt Extended 4.4.2 users are welcome to use it. If you want me to add your package email it to me at and...@nospampleasehowlett.net (remove the nospamplease to form the correct email address).So far I've got the example app, qtgps and qterminal in the feed.later,andrew. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Opensatnav project requires help, especially from a coder (or 2).
Hi, all. Sorry about the shameless request for help! I am currently using AndNav2 (http://www.andnav.org/) on my Google G1 'phone (not as open as I thought it would be). Regardless of my repeated attempts, the core of this satnav application remains closed-source (proprietary). This has brought me to thinking that it would be much better to produce an open source alternative. My idea is to develop initially for the G1 and for Openmoko, and then port to other embedded devices, as interest grows. At the moment, I am using Openstreetmap as a place to record my ideas (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Opensatnav.org). I'd really appreciate it if anybody on the list could take a moment to have a look at my ideas. So that the list moderators don't get upset, please email me personally if you are interested in the project. Many thanks for taking the time to read this. Cheers, Chris. -- Reasons why you may want to try GNU/Linux: http://www.getgnulinux.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS unreliable: long lasting connection fail
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Niccolo Rigacci nicc...@rigacci.org wrote: [snip] Please tell me: with gsm0710uxd the connection is still done by pppd/chat? Yes - gsm0710muxd creates a new serial device for each application needing access to the GSM device. You just call pppd with its own device. [snip] I hope to last 12 hours or so, because I do GPS live tracking with position upload to the internet every 5/10 seconds. [snip] I've run GPRS for several hours at a time in a car travelling in some dodgy reception areas. Sometimes it seemsed to lose connection and re-establish itself gracefully but more often than not I'd find that GPRS had died and pppd was still up but ineffective. I usually had to reboot the FR before I could re-establish connection when this happened. -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: python-ctypes and binutils
Hi Gunnar, I'm not sure if this will answer your question or not, but it sounds like you are looking for the following package: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=binutils-symlinks which will create symlinks to the weird named binaries. Cheers, Andrew Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes wrote: Hi all, Not sure where to send this - perhaps a more development oriented list? Anyway, the issue is about python-ctypes, the library for easy access to shared libraries from python. This includes a utility class for finding the REAL name of a library, i.e. getting from GL to /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 This code is found here: /usr/lib/python2.5/ctypes/util.py (assuming python-ctypes is installed) Now this relies in turn on several external tools for finding the library (see [1]), in particular ldconfig, gcc and objdump. Now ldconfig we have by default, gcc we do not want to install and objdump is in the binutils package. Now the binutils package only includes weird named binaries for objdump, i.e. /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-objdump - and this is not found by ctypes... How do we fix this? Can binutils not ship with a /usr/bin/objdump symlinked to /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-objdump? A semi-related question : Say I've written a new .bb file for python-opengl. How can I most easily get this put into openembedded? Cheers, - Gunnar [1] http://www.python.org/doc/2.5.2/lib/ctypes-finding-shared-libraries.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fennec -force-depends doesn't help
Hi Leonti, To get this to work, you will need to do a: opkg install gtk+ -force-overwrite Depending on the distro that you are using, you may experience some glitching in graphics after the install. I have installed fennec before and it is unbearably slow but there may have been updates recently that improve performance. Cheers, Andrew Leonti Bielski wrote: Hi! I'm trying to install fennec on my beloved Neo. I have added angstrom-distribution.org feed and try to do opkg install fennec It give me gtk eror similar to this one http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-November/000759.html So I tried 'opkg install fennec -force-depends' but it gives me the same error. Isn't -force-depends supposed to solve this kind of problems? Thanks. Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sean Moss-Pultz @ BALUG Tomorrow
Hi Folks: Just a quick note to let the OpenMoko community know that Sean Moss-Pultz will be speaking at BALUG tomorrow night in San Francisco. We're expecting a great crowd, so if you'd like to join us please RSVP: RSVP at balug.org **Why RSVP??** Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they ensure that we're able to eat upstairs in the private banquet room. Meeting Details... 6:30pm November 18th, 2008 (Tomorrow) Four Seas Restaurant 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Easy $5 PARKING: Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13 -- Andrew Fife Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway www.untangle.com/download 650.425.3327 desk 415.806.6028 cell ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] Stability and other problems
Hi Christoph, You could try the Option 2 instructions found on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_/_Qt_Extended_on_FreeRunner and see if that works. If it does, other users could benefit if you update the wiki to reflect any changes to the procedure you had to make. Cheers, Andrew Christoph Simolka wrote: Thanks, gps is not importent for me right now. I'll try qtextended for now.. Is there a way to install it on the sd-card? I'd like to keep FSO to test it from time to time to give some feedback and maybe help improving fso. As soon as it is stable enough to use it as a phone I think it should be used by as many people as possible. Regards, Christoph Simolka kimaidou wrote: Personaly I haven't encountered stability issues with my 44.2. The only thing is the bluetooth does not work (not a pbm for me). The audio settings are pretty good (no echo, etc.). It suspend resume as needed. What I dislike (for the moment) : no gps application (only a demo writing the current lat/lon), and because no server x, there are few applications for it now. 2008/11/10 Christoph Simolka [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I red about stability problems with qtextended as well.. is this solved already? kimaidou wrote: Hi For using it as a phone, I recommed you to use the last qtextended distribution. 2008/11/10 Christoph Simolka [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I received my Freerunner about 3 Months ago. Because of the software status I just played around with different distros but didn't use it as a phone. This weekend my old phone went out of battery and didn't start anymore (yes.. this also happens to non-freerunners ;) ) So i decided to cange my simcard and put it into the freerunner. I flased it with yesterdays FSO (09-11-08). First impression was good, zone started, I entered my pin and registered to Interkom (O2 Germany) I was able to receive and make test-calls. But now.. after one day of usage.. I've got a lot of small problems. The most important for now: - I can suspend by pressing the power button, but when i resume with the power-Button, zhone displays its graphical suspend-feedbeck step1. I have to press power another few seconds to get rid of this. - The phone wakes up on incoming calls, but: zhone displays this feedback-thing again. The phone keeps ringing, but it doesn't react on the power button to get rid of the feedback-thing, and it doesn't react on touchscreen-presses to answer the call. - I can't send the phone to suspend-state if I want to be able to receive calls. - I send it to suspend yesterday evening. When I woke up today morning, the phone was on, I had a enlightmend crash-message and I wasn't connected to O2 anymore. When I clicked on recover enlightment keeped crashing, I had to poweroff and restart my freerunner. - Today I got some incoming calls.. at leased one of them was almost unable to understand me because of the echo The echo might be because of some unusable alsa states.. the phone sounds like with the hands-free option turned on, everyone in the same room can listen to the call. How can I change this? Are there any patches / workarounds for the other problems? Regards, Christoph Simolka ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman
Re: Re: [Debian] installer script
Try removing both partitions from your SD card (fdisk then 'd' both partitions) and then running the installer again. When I ran the installer script for the first time (this was a while ago: a day or two after the installer script was published), with an SD card that was already partitioned with Debian (pre-install script version) on it, the partition step failed. I manually set up the partitions and ran the rest of the install steps individually. For later install attempts, I always deleted all the partitions from the SD card before running the installer. You could also try looking closer at the output of the script, to see what errors occurred. (I ran the installer from an ssh session, so I could use my terminal window's scrollback buffer, copy and paste, etc.) Also, you could try partitioning the card yourself (find the instructions in the wiki) and then continue on from there. --- Andrew Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Matthew Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I have not tried the 512mb card (it's at home and I'm at college). I'm not sure how to do what you're talking about arne, but you're suggesting that I can install a base system and put Debian on that? Can you point me in the correct direction? Also, my 8gb uSDHC card works: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 8168 MB, 8168931328 bytes 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 249296 cylinders Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 2457832 4 FAT16 32M /dev/mmcblk0p2 246 249296 7969632 83 Linux Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedMatthew Lane wrote: Hey all, I'm trying to install Debian on the freerunner using the install.sh script. I keep getting stuck at Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. and then my script exits. I've tried individually installing, but after the install step the script fails to install. I've added a u-boot environment boot option to lower the clock to 10,000,000 as instructed on the bug report here: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 After booting with this option, without going into suspend, and after killing qpe: DASH_BINSH=false SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all The script terminates after the partition stage. I'm using a SanDisk 8GB uSDHC card. I'm using the latest GTA02v5_and_up NAND u-boot. I think I remember seeing some more instructions, but I can't seem to find them anywhere. Anyone have an idea of how to proceed from here? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you tried on the 512MB that the majority of FreeRunner's ship with? /div ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Where/Which is the Mail-Client(IMAP4) for 2008.9
Hi Juergen, I think the Messages application contains the Qtopia email client. Cheers, Andrew Juergen Schinker wrote: in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Connectivity for 2008.8 the Field has a Green Yes. So i.m wondering ist openmoko-mail or similar? Juergen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neopwn
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Angus Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didier Raboud wrote: Russell Hay wrote: I'm assuming they're not intending to release the full code? Certainly cant see any mentions of license or downloads on their site. Formally, they only have to release the source code to their buyers... ... and then that buyer can release it publicly for everyone else under the terms of the GPL. Who's going to volunteer to buy one? [In reality, I'm expecting they will make the source code available at the same time they start shipping their first units. A security testing system without source code available for security review would not fly with most people ...] So far they've either redirected or ignored my requests for their custom kernel changes. They also claim all of the source code for the security apps can be downloaded from their software page. Their software page provides links to the upstream homepages. This is not sufficient to comply with GPL requirements. Under GPLv2, and possibly GPL v3, you must distribute all source code yourself, whether or not it has been modified. You cannot rely solely upon upstream source. A quick look for references on the FSF website has not revealed the relevant info, but this issue bit MEPIS back in 2006 and had widespread media coverage: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4218186268.html -- Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neopwn
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Andrew Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] A quick look for references on the FSF website has not revealed the relevant info, but this issue bit MEPIS back in 2006 and had widespread media coverage: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4218186268.html An official reference for this interpretation: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#SourceAndBinaryOnDifferentSites -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
Hi Abdel, Actually, the patch is what is compiled into the 0.1+svn beta version of dfu-util for Win32 on projects.openmoko.org. I'm assuming that that is the version that everyone here is using? I also am using WinXP SP2 as Benedikt Schindler on these replies is using as well. For the others who experience long flash times on Windows XP, are you also using SP2? I am using Intel Core2 6420 @ 2.13GHz with 3GB of RAM, and USB 2.0 controller. I guess the other question is, who else can flash rootfs in under 20 minutes using dfu-util for Win32? What are your configurations (version of Windows (including Service Pack), type of processor, amount of RAM, USB controller version)? Hopefully we can find a commonality among those that experience the long flash times and among those that do not. Cheers, Andrew Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Andrew Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the feedback that the dfu-util for Win32 is that much slower on Vista. I wasn't aware of that. The changes I made to the dfu-util source code were minimal but they could use a code review (I've posted the diff below). On Windows XP, I've never had to wait more than 20 minutes to flash the rootfs so the issue might be related to Windows Vista, or LibUSB-Win32 on Vista, but unfortunately, I do not have Windows Vista so I cannot debug. If anyone has the same issue on Windows XP, I would like to hear about it. I'm using Windows XP with 512 MB RAM on my laptop. rootfs flashing takes between 1-2 hours IIRC. Hello Andrew, Just for completeness, my system is an Intel double core with 2GB RAM and Vista. Flashing takes also between 1 and 2 hours. I'll try your patch if I manage to install a mingw environment. Or, if you have it compiled, I'd gladly avoid this installation :-) Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia update
I've upgraded to the latest snapshot and the incoming volume was very low.
I
have upgraded the kernel + qtopia image that were in the compressed file.
Any way to get the volume up again? Call options in the settings didn't
help.
I was able to fix this by tweaking the 'Speaker Playback Volume' in
/usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state. Updated this value to 127
(was set to 100) and the volume is back to normal for me.
control.4 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 127'
iface MIXER
name 'Speaker Playback Volume'
value.0 127
value.1 127
}
--Andrew
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Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
Thanks for the feedback that the dfu-util for Win32 is that much slower
on Vista. I wasn't aware of that. The changes I made to the dfu-util
source code were minimal but they could use a code review (I've posted
the diff below). On Windows XP, I've never had to wait more than 20
minutes to flash the rootfs so the issue might be related to Windows
Vista, or LibUSB-Win32 on Vista, but unfortunately, I do not have
Windows Vista so I cannot debug. If anyone has the same issue on
Windows XP, I would like to hear about it.
Andrew
Index: main.c
===
--- main.c (revision 4594)
+++ main.c (working copy)
@@ -26,8 +26,10 @@
#include getopt.h
#include usb.h
#include errno.h
+#ifndef __MINGW32__
#include byteswap.h
#include endian.h
+#endif
#include dfu.h
#include usb_dfu.h
@@ -37,6 +39,10 @@
#include config.h
#endif
+#ifdef __MINGW32__
+#define sleep(seconds) Sleep((seconds)*1000)
+#endif
+
#ifdef HAVE_USBPATH_H
#include usbpath.h
#endif
@@ -579,6 +585,20 @@
/* FIXME: check if the selected device really has only one */
+#ifdef __MINGW32__
+ int configuration = dif-configuration;
+
+ if (configuration == 0) {
+ dif-configuration = 1;
+ }
+ printf(Setting Configuration %u...\n, dif-configuration);
+ if (usb_set_configuration(dif-dev_handle, dif-configuration)
0) {
+ fprintf(stderr, Cannot set configuration: %s\n,
usb_strerror());
+ exit(1);
+ }
+ dif-configuration = configuration;
+#endif
+
printf(Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...\n);
if (usb_claim_interface(_rt_dif.dev_handle, _rt_dif.interface)
0) {
fprintf(stderr, Cannot claim interface: %s\n,
usb_strerror());
@@ -700,12 +720,18 @@
exit(1);
}
-#if 0
+#ifdef __MINGW32__
+ int configuration = dif-configuration;
+
+ if (configuration == 0) {
+ dif-configuration = 1;
+ }
printf(Setting Configuration %u...\n, dif-configuration);
if (usb_set_configuration(dif-dev_handle, dif-configuration) 0) {
fprintf(stderr, Cannot set configuration: %s\n,
usb_strerror());
exit(1);
}
+ dif-configuration = configuration;
#endif
printf(Claiming USB DFU Interface...\n);
if (usb_claim_interface(dif-dev_handle, dif-interface) 0) {
Index: sam7dfu.c
===
--- sam7dfu.c (revision 4594)
+++ sam7dfu.c (working copy)
@@ -20,6 +20,11 @@
#define O_BINARY 0
#endif
+#ifdef __MINGW32__
+#define sleep(seconds) Sleep((seconds)*1000)
+#define usleep(microseconds) Sleep((microseconds)/1000)
+#endif
+
int sam7dfu_do_upload(struct usb_dev_handle *usb_handle, int interface,
int xfer_size, const char *fname)
{
Index: usb_dfu.h
===
--- usb_dfu.h (revision 4594)
+++ usb_dfu.h (working copy)
@@ -12,6 +12,13 @@
#include sys/types.h
+#ifdef __MINGW32__
+#include stdint.h
+#define u_int8_t uint8_t
+#define u_int16_t uint16_t
+#define u_int32_t uint32_t
+#endif
+
#define USB_DT_DFU0x21
struct usb_dfu_func_descriptor {
Vinc Duran wrote:
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Abdelrazak Younes
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
You haven't even tried backing it up. Try and see how long *that*
takes.
They say it is much, much better with the Linux port of DFU-util (or
rather, something is very very wrong with the Windows port).
snip
I use Vista on my day-to-day working computer. With the FreeRunner it's
faster to boot to an Ubuntu live CD and work on the FreeRunner and
reboot in Vista for my regular work. I can flash the device a couple of
times and experiment with QTopia and OM 2008.8 in the time is would take
me to just flash the rootfs for either of those. I think the dfu for
windows would benefit from some work. I tried running Ubunto in a VMWare
virtual machine but couldn't get a good connection to the FreeRunner.
V
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Re: Acoustic Position Measuring Device
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, gang, here's an idea: Use the Freerunner as an acoustic measuring device. An application like this exists on the OLPC XO written in python. I think it's called 'Measure'. Rather than using reflected sound it uses a second laptop to hear the sound and the clock sync is done via WiFi. Differences aside, perhaps it will give you some ideas/code. At least you know such a thing is possible with low fidelity speakers and microphones :-) HTH ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Connecting your computer to the Internet through your FreeRunner!
Hi all, I documented the steps to connect your computer to the internet through the FreeRunner's GPRS connection. You can find the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS#Sharing_the_GPRS_connection_with_a_computer Hopefully someone can pick it up and make it easier for the average person to do! Cheers, Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
On 8/11/08, Pawel Kowalak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that easy. But IIRC somebody on OLPC tracker stated that this problem no longer occurs in 2.4.26. We'll see when Andy switch us to 2.4.26 ;) That was me. OLPC is on 2.6.25 BTW, perhaps with upstream patches. I also posted a workaround that might avoid data loss when the partition table gets hosed, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026156.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: any update on GSM interference issue
I'm also very concerned with the GSM buzzing. This post mentions that the issue was present in GTA01 and looks like it carried over to GTA02. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-January/012382.html The issue has been around for quite some time now. Can anyone from OM comment on the status or possibly any testing those of us who are experiencing the buzz can do to help investigate this issue? I'm spinning my wheels trying to debug and not sure where to go next. I realize it's most likely a complex bug with lots of variables but it would be great to get an idea of what information/testing/output would be most helpful to the hardware guys in determining the cause of the interference. --Andrew Josh Thompson wrote: Has there been any progress on the GSM interference issue (bug #883)? As I understand it, this is the current condition (please correct anything that is wrong): -the buzzing is only heard by people on the other end I get buzzing at both ends of the call. Has anyone gotten a bluetooth headset (SCO type) to work with the 2007.2 I was able to pair with a headset using the QTopia UI, however no audio came out, as I guess there is no alsa state file being applied. I have to say that after all this time it is surprising no one has been able to demonstrate a BT headset working, as this is a fundamental functionality for a phone in states that require handsfree whilst driving. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Firewall blocks USB ethernet
Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I finally have my FR's, WH! Got USB networking set up but I have to shutdown my firewall to get it to work? I'm using Ubuntu Hardy, and Firestarter as the firewall iptable mananger. Anybody know of a How-to that can tell me how to setup my system to allow usb networking through the firewall? You have to enable internet connection sharing for usb0. Try doing the following in Firestarter: - Edit - Preferences - Firewall - Network Settings - Set 'Local network connected device' to: Unknown device (usb0) - Check 'Enable internet connection sharing' Hope that helps. --Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANNOUNCE: Software equalizer for openmoko
On 7/23/08, Russell Sears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've modified gst-plugin-equalizer to use fixed-point arithmetic. very cool This means that it's (barely) fast enough to provide bass, midrange and treble control for ogg files played back via alsa. Do you know about the equalizer functions built in to the hardware? alsamixer shows them. Not as extensive as a software equalizer but no cpu load either. I wonder if there is a gui for this (alsamixer is a curses-style text mode app for those that don't know) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SD Card
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:36 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on a related note, what is the best way to format an sd card for use in the freerunner? fat, ext2. afair the latest uboots allow ext3, too, of what use a journal ever might be with an sd card. No fsck. An 8G SD with lots of little files would take a while to fsck after a crash. It would be interesting to get a number though, maybe it's not as bad as I imagine. I'll add it to my upcoming SD tests. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSDHC class 4 or class 6?
On, 2008-07-18 kello 15:14 -0500, Hans L kirjoitti: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Andrew Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the Freerunner make use of the class 6 speed? If not I'll go for the max size. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDHC Class 4 supports a minimum write speed of 4MB/s, and 6MB/s for class 6. Correct and sorry for not defining my terms Not sure how fast the Freerunner is capable of writing though. That's my real question According to raster the glamo (which is also the SD card controller) bus speed is 7.3m/s (I presume from context he means megabytes). This with the cpu doing nothing else besides transferring data to or from the card; thus in practice I don't think the class 4/6 distinction is going to matter much on the FR. I would go for the size (and did, with my 8 GB I saw a post (here?) about the performance of different filesystems and I recall seeing flash performance numbers of 9MB/s. Maybe that was read speed but 9 7... But, I haven't experimented with the different classes, so grains of salt OK, I'll volunteer. I just ordered a 4GB class 6 and an 8GB class 4 from Newegg, both Transcend brand. I'll post results next week. Also, there were some wait state tweaks posted on the kernel list to speedup glamo access. They were /sys controllable so I'll throw them into the mix. My little contribution :-) Andrew Burgess ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
microSDHC class 4 or class 6?
I've been able to find 4GB class 6 microSDHC cards and 8GB class 4 cards. Can the Freerunner make use of the class 6 speed? If not I'll go for the max size. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the GPS bug, expect an update before the end of the week. Unfortunately, this seems like a case where OpenMoko's openness is really hurting it. A closed company probably would have waited to publicly acknowledge the defect until it was fully researched, not just after it was casually confirmed by a couple developers. Perhaps, the closed company would have even waited to acknowledge the defect until a fix was available, instead of sending out status updates as they investigated it and tried potential fixes. From reading between the lines on some of the e-mails from OpenMoko staff, it seems that the interference with the GPS receiver was caused (at least in part) by the SD reader being always-on, apparently because the SD firmware is still incomplete or in beta, much like the rest of the OpenMoko firmware. The fix appears to be to enhance the SD reader to only turn on when necessary. From where I sit, that's a two-fer! GPS gets fixed and the SD reader gets enhanced to a more complete state. I'm happy :) Andrew --- Andrew Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Federico Lorenzi wrote: Makes sense, ext3 is journaled, and using a journaling FS on flash memory is generally a bad idea. Could you also try ext2? Sorry, I'm not up to speed on flash and file systems -- why is a journaled file system a bad idea? Journaled file systems perform lots of extra writes to the drive. Flash drives wear out a little quicker (in terms of writes) than other drives. Putting the two together means you're probably decreasing the length of your drive's life. --- Andrew Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How many batteries is included?
I'm afraid I have no actual information, just additional, perhaps orthogonal, questions. On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:05 AM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But for us that are buying a 10 pack, we alreddy have the bag and the earplugs. Is it possible to buy only the batteries That was something I didn't fully understand (it's academic to me, since I only bought a single Neo): 10 Pack gifts: Openmoko traveler's pouch and headset x 10 is that, traveler's pouch and (headset x 10) or (traveler's pouch and headset) x 10? I'd love to hear the answer, if someone orders a 10-pack and is willing to reply to the list just to satisfy my curiosity :). The Spares pack also heavily implies, but does not seem to specifically state, that it includes _two_ pairs of headphones (one picture shows two sets of headphones, in different colors, which could be interpreted to mean you'll get two pairs of headphones, or you'll get one pair of headphones and this photo shows two examples of what you might receive; the text states stereo headsets (the plural form 'headsets' implying I'll receive 1 pair) but has no number and is immediately below a line that numerically specifies 2 batteries (again, only academic interest: I'll probably just throw the headsets on a shelf and never use them, since I just wanted the batteries and case)). Just curious, as I always am when confronted by ambiguous specifications :) Andrew --- Andrew Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: anyone know when the phones are actually shipping within the US?
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on. Could you please all stop abusing this mailing list to track your orders? What do _we_ have to do with your order? Actually, I appreciated seeing that information. I submitted an order and, other than the very brief confirmation e-mail, have heard nothing. The store website has no additional information about when to expect the order to be shipped or even a general status. Members of the community passing on their experiences, and order numbers so I can find my relative position, has been helpful. Andrew --- Andrew Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Searching OpenMoko Archives
Thought this might be of some interest to the community. I contacted the guys over at MarkMail, a search engine for mailing list archives and they kindly loaded the OpenMoko lists. They have a slick web interface for browsing threads and some very nice advanced search functionality. Here's the link: http://openmoko.markmail.org/search/ Here's a nice historical view of the community updates: http://tinyurl.com/5da3mj They have all the OpenMoko lists loaded and I've found it extremely useful for searching through the archives. Also, just want to say keep up the great work.. I can't wait to get my hands on a Freerunner. Cheers, --Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Moko Bluetooth
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:31 -0600, Ilkka Urtamo wrote: Hi I got my neo last week (and very happy with it btw). I have it up and running nicely and I am now thinking where to contribute. Wiki is saying that there are plans for BT in neo but does not specify any details on that. I would be interested in working on BT and I am now wondering if there are someone already working on that? If not, then I would like to have some guidance as to how as overall process the BT things should play out. I am not and expert on any particular area but I think I have enough to learn and use the libs (eg. D-Bus, Bluez) properly. These issues are like: Should there be a daemon that controls enabling/disabling BT, pairing, storing PINs and device IDs, reconnects devices that has being paired and becomes available, etc. Or should this be handled only and directly with bluez? This daemon could also control proper settings associated with the connected device (bt headset, UConnect, bt keyboard, Filetransfers,etc). Along with the daemon should be small gui app for entering pin and associated popups? GUI app to issue search, list results, add/remove devices, and other BT related configuration? Any 2cents? Marcel Holtman of BlueZ gave a talk and demonstration of BlueZ running on the Neo. It's probably a good idea to touch base with him, since he's been working on this exact problem (desktop integration). Ilkka Urtamo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Regards, Andrew Clunis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 09:35 -0500, Adam King wrote: Hi Michael: As I mentioned in a previous email to you, I'm in a 850Mhz _only_ area - so I can test the handset for you - though I am in Canada. Provider is Rogers and the area is Ottawa. Also, would there be any possibility of releasing the changes made to the GTA01 to make it 850Mhz compatible? Or maybe a service to send in our GTA01 to have the modifications made (for a reasonable price)? Hey, what area of town do you live in? I have a 1900-only phone (afaik) and it gets reasonable coverage. Thanks, Adam King -- Regards, Andrew Clunis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util help
Joseph Reeves wrote: Hello all, Probably a the most noob question you're going to get for a while, but I'm a bit stuck... I wanted to flash the latest Qtopia build but have come unstuck at the first hurdle. Running Kubuntu 7.10 and downloaded dfu-util from here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/ I have apt-get'd the dependencies and updated etc/fstab as per here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util But the this is as good as I can get out of it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/DFU$ sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-2.6.22.5-moko 11+svnr3238-r7-neo1973.bin ./dfu-util: ./dfu-util: cannot execute binary file Any help getting this to work would be massively appreciated! Thanks, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Joseph. sudo chmod a+x dfu-util I guess would be a solution. check the perms with a ls -l dfu-util and make sure you can execute it. Regards, Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe
Hi Guys, I'm not sure if I posted to the list before, or was just chatting on IRC - but I have been a little busy over the past few days. I collected my neo just over a week ago (see http://blog.zrmt.com/?p=42) and was suitably impressed with it. I don't think there are enough superlatives, but I'm sure I don't need to tell you guys that. Through some rather lucky family links (my brother is dating the daughter of a handset procurement manager at Vodafone UK) I've managed to generate quite a bit of interest in the neo1973. My little brother can be held responsible for whetting the appetite of his girlfriend's father - and as he was going on holiday to Spain this week with the family - I let him take the neo with him to show the guy. My gut feeling was that Vodafone would probably be one of the last providers to support/distribute a linux-based 'open' phone given their reputation fro crippling devices with their own version of the software, none the less I also felt that the attempt was worth a shot - and hopefully he will see the potential of the device. I think the hardest thing to fight at the moment is the fact that the current telecommunications market must undergo a paradigm shift in order to find a way of continuing to profit (so substantially). I'll hopefully post an interview with the guy when he returns from his holiday. If anyone could provide me with some good information (I do feel like I'm going into this a little under-prepared) then I'd be happy to accept/discuss. Regards, Andy Loughran -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Vaughan Sent: 23 August 2007 11:16 To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe As a programmer, even *I* might be selling them, directly, from the factory .. j. On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I am quite sure that there will be others who are longer in the business (like http://www.handheld-linux.com to name one I know very well) to resell the GTA02 from within Europe. But we must be aware that reselling needs some more margin for handling all these duties, tax, repacking, shipping, insurance issues (there are a lot of people involved who want to be paid for their services). So, the device will certainly cost more than 450 USD + shipment. But you get all issues solved. And there will be warranty. And more options for payment (e.g. Credit Card or bank transfer). And someone to directly talk to. Am 22.08.2007 um 21:19 schrieb David Pottage: Jean-Eric Cuendet (ML) wrote: Hi, It seems that a big problem we have here in Europe to get Openmoko devices is that the shiping costs are quite high: around 80-100USD !! I've opened a website that will sell GTA02 devices when they are available, to other Europe countries. I'll buy quantities of devices from FIC and resell them from here, in Switzerland, middle of Europe. I am interested, but I am concerned about VAT and import duty issues, as Switzerland is outside the European Union. I would feel much happier ordering from an importer inside the EU, as that way the importer would be responsible for sorting out and paying any import duties and taxes. The price I pay would include VAT at the prevailing rate in the importer's country. (So it would be better to ship from Belgium where it is low, rather than France where it is high). Unfortunately I don't get any of those advantages if buy from a retailer ouside the EU. I may save a small amount on shipping, but I would still have the headache of paying those taxes myself, and the posibily of paying a lot more than I expect if the customs officers misclassify the Neo 1973, or disagree with me on it's value. Payment will be possible through Paypal or direct postal payment in Switzerland. Shiping costs will be around 20-25EUR for countries in Europe. I *HATE* paypal, so in any case, if you can find another way of receiving payments that would be good. Regards -- David Pottage ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community attachment: winmail.dat___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS data from gllin
I believe there is the possibility that GeoClue will be ported to OpenMoko. This would provide a simple DBUS interface to location and developers wouldn't have to care if the location was provided by GPS, WiFi, Plazes, user entered, or whatever. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue On 8/6/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Yale wrote: Hello, The GLLIN sends NMEA sentences to named pipe /tmp/nmeaNP. The OMGUI uses this output to plot positions, satellite strength, etc. on various OMGUI test panels. Close your handle to /tmp/nmeaNP to stop the GLLIN (if it was opened with -np option). Below is a typical NMEA output sequence from the GTA01 showing the position (RMC,GGA), time (UTC format) (RMC,GGA), satellites used (GSA), satellites tracked (GSV), satellite signal strength (GSV), and satellite position (GSV), type of fix (GSA), and various other details (GGA especially has lots of miscellaneous information). Google NMEA and you'll find excellent tutorials about NMEA. (Be sure not to type too fast and end up with NEMA which, among other things, is a medical-imaging file exchange standard.) $GPGGA,230648.00,3716.309458,N,12156.790892,W,1,07,0.5,040.0,M,-0.537000 ,M,0.0130515,0130*7C $GPRMC,230648.00,A,3716.309458,N,12156.790892,W,005.9,188.0,060607,,,A*4 1 $GPGSV,2,1,08,23,69,004,37,20,52,174,44,25,49,260,44,13,46,314,30*70 $GPGSV,2,2,08,16,42,064,35,04,14,292,34,01,12,096,30,27,25,250,16*77 $GPGSA,A,3,01,04,13,16,20,23,25,,1.1,0.5,1.0*32 $GPGGA,230649.00,3716.307825,N,12156.791167,W,1,07,0.5,040.0,M,-0.537000 ,M,0.0130515,0130*77 $GPRMC,230649.00,A,3716.307825,N,12156.791167,W,006.1,188.0,060607,,,A*4 1 $GPGSV,2,1,08,23,69,004,35,20,52,174,43,25,49,260,43,13,46,314,28*7B $GPGSV,2,2,08,16,42,064,35,04,14,292,34,01,12,096,28,27,25,250,27*7C $GPGSA,A,3,01,04,13,16,20,23,25,,1.1,0.5,1.0*32 The OpenMoko team will plug the GLLIN into the GPSD (see module omgui/gllin.cpp for sample GLLIN start/stop code to use as the basis for the GPSD). I hear the DBUS link planned for GPS information distribution beyond the GPSD multi-cast is done. TTFN Ken Yale Thanks for the info, I'm looking into the gpds documentation right now. I'm somewhat familiar with DBUS, but will need to get my hands dirty with it before I feel truly comfortable. Any DBUS and/or GPS gurus out there? I know possibly premature, but what would be the correct way to get gps information? You can get the raw output like is demonstrated in the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS Or you could call d-bus methods (ie turnOn, turnOff, curPosition, curElevation, curSpeed, etc). Do we have any idea what that address would be and/or has anyone worked on those interfaces/methods? I would think something like the dbus interface could make for cleaner more (re)usable code, plus you could hide some of the underlying complexities in the gpsd setup. -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 42.2774N x 83.7611W http://highearthorbit.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Introduction to Neogeography - http://oreilly.com/catalog/neogeography ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day?
On 6/15/07, Miquel Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sven Neuhaus wrote: So yeah, you can call me on a GTA-01 (does that even work yet) Yes. I've used one myself and took a picture of someone else calling with it: http://flickr.com/photos/lorphos/512691193/ Don't take me wrong, but a picture of somebody holding a neo1973 on his ear does not prove that it actually works. On the other hand I believe it is not vaporware, I think it simply got delayed because some unexpected problem Come on guys this thread has gone on long enough. What has to happen here. Do I need to mention Nazis [1] or something? Maybe the phones are coming and maybe they aren't. Long winded, whiny threads on a mainling list are not going to change that. Unless you are actively developing software (as in have written code not just thought about it) for the Neo and cannot get an evaluation unit you really should chill out. For those of you who are complaining about putting off phone purchases waiting for a Neo, stop waiting! It has been stated several times that even when released the first revision hardware will not be something you want to rely on (because the software will be immature). Go get yourself a carrier subsidised phone and plan on paying full fair for you Neo (if/when it is released). You are going to want a backup when you break your phone loading the latest build. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law -- Andrew Becherer Undergraduate, Computing and Software Systems University of Washington, Tacoma ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Publicity
On 6/6/07, el jefe delito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hardly think that my parents, or anyone else who may have a passing interest in a sweet phone, reads Slashdot. My friends don't read it. Even those who do read Slashdot seem to know little about the phone (read the comments in the article). Be honest here - your parents, or anyone else with a passing interest, is not going to be using the Neo1973 anytime soon either. The article's audience hits squarely with the first-user audience. If you talk with other hardware companies, you'll realize that they usually get one chance with new hardware to really be successful. They don't have the time or money to have a 'flop'. And getting widespread coverage too soon would result in a flop because the device (or lineup) isn't ready yet. So they'll look at it, think not for me and never give it a chance again. So while publicity is good, it seems prudent at this point for you to hold off on widespread coverage until the entire hardware and software base becomes solid and realized. Andrew ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Salesman neo1973
This is slightly off topic - but stick with me. I just received a phone call off a Welsh salesman telling me I was able to upgrade my phone today. I'm not sure how he got my details, but I asked him if he was affliated with O2 (My Service Provider) and he said he wasn't. After going through a number of loops: what do you do more Sir, text or phone? and what phone do you currently own Sir? I told him I wasn't going to upgrade as I'm waiting for the neo1973 phone to become available. He said what's that Sir? to which I told him, as briefly as possible that it was a phone that it currently being developed that should be available at the end of the year. He sounded very confused and said So tell me how you're designing your own phone Sir? I said I wasn't - it's just once I got it I'd be able to design it myself. At which point he thanked me for my time and actually hung up on me. +1 Andy :) Andy Loughran www.zrmt.com m: 07921076319 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Salesman neo1973
Dean, The guy wasn't coming directly from O2. I did try and tell him what it was all about, but that was the point where he just hung up on me. I believe my exact words were Would you like more information on the phone I wish to buy? The only other contact I have is quite by accident, but my younger brother has been dating the daughter of the UK Vodafone phone procurement manager/director for just over the last year - and has mentioned the neo on many occasions to him. I was upbeat about the possible chance of pitching the neo/openmoko directly to him - until I read about what Vodafone did to the N95. However, I do think that there may be an opportunity to detail the overall philosophy and fundamental change of adopting openmoko - in that due to personal connections he may be more willing to listen. I've just finished my finals so have a little more time on my hands. I really enjoyed Sean's presentation on the change that openmoko is going to bring, I just feel like I need to have a plan I can present that highlights the benefits of such as plan to the cellcos - as currently all the benefits I name are probably directed towards the consumer. Andy Loughran www.zrmt.com m: 07921076319 - Original Message - From: Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew P. Loughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: 24 May 2007 11:58:08 o'clock (GMT) Africa/Casablanca Subject: RE: Salesman neo1973 Cute story Andrew however can I make another suggestion - you should have said yes I would like to upgrade to your carrier sir. The mobile handset that I would like to purchase from you is a Neo 1973. If you are able to provide this handset on an unlimited data plan for $X a month then I would be happy to transfer my business to you today . Use the system guys - don’t fight it. It's smarter and takes less effort. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph + 61-2-9016 -5642 (Sydney in-dial). Call Button -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2007 7:35 AM To: Andrew P. Loughran Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Salesman neo1973 On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 12:12 +0100, Andrew P. Loughran wrote: [snip] He said what's that Sir? to which I told him, as briefly as possible that it was a phone that it currently being developed that should be available at the end of the year. He sounded very confused and said So tell me how you're designing your own phone Sir? I said I wasn't - it's just once I got it I'd be able to design it myself. At which point he thanked me for my time and actually hung up on me. +1 Andy :) Hehe... +1 Sean :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS vs. TDOA (was Re: release date)
On 5/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you guys need to get this out asap. The only reason I do not buy the iphone right now is because it does not have GPS. In the United States the iPhone, no doubt, makes use of radiolocation instead of GPS. Cingular uses Time difference of arrival (TDOA). This system uses multilateration, much like GPS. It is my understanding that civilian GPS is generally accurate within 15 meters. The FCC requires American cellular providers to be able to determine the position of a phone within 100 meters 67% of the time and 300 meters 95% of the time. It is my understanding that TDOA can currently achieve accuracy within 30 meters. Many modern phones support the Location API for J2ME (JSR 179). On a Cingular or T-Mobile network this location is provided by TDOA (unless your phone has GPS which it usually does not). I've used J2ME location based applications on Cingular's network to good effect. I have not been able to compare TDOA to GPS because I haven't had access to a GPS enabled phone. I think my question is why is everybody freaking out about the iPhone not having GPS? It will report location as close as 30 meters, usually within 100 meters and almost always within 300 meters. This accuracy is good enough for most applications. Even better cellular TDOA is accurate inside building as well as outside buildings (which in my experience GPS is not). Are location detection services like TruePosition's U-TDOA (used by Cingular and T-Mobile in the USA) not available internationally? So why is GPS the killer functionality the Neo has over the iPhone? (note: I understand why the OpenMoko development platform is better than the iPhone. I'm just talking about GPS vs. carrier provided location detection.) -- Andrew Becherer Undergraduate, Computing and Software Systems University of Washington, Tacoma ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti Iphone (Was Re: Some light ahead...)
On 5/1/07, Rory McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: el jefe delito said the following on 01/05/07 15:03: Video would be a bit essential I would think... if an iPod can do it, shouldn't a mini computerphone be able to? AFAIK the video iPods have hardware decoding chips, so the iPod isn't decoding the video. Which is why they can only play certain kinds of video codecs. I own a Palm T|X. I would think the ARM based Samsung S3C2410AL-26 (Capable of running up to 266 MHz) in the Neo should compare favorably to the ARM based Intel XScale PXA 270 running at 312 MHz in the Palm T|X. The difference in CPU speed may be compensated for by the Neo's use of 128 MB of SDRAM vs the Palm T|X's use of 128 MB of slower non-volatile memory (only 100 MB accessible by Palm applications). I have used the predecessor to CorePlayer Mobile (called tcpmp) to watch video and listen to audio not supported by Palm's default music app. Core Player Mobile supports the following video codecs: - H.264 (AVC) - MKV - MPEG-1 - MPEG-4 part 2 (ASP) - DivX - XviD - MJPEG I have tried H.264, MPEG-1, MPEG-4 part 2 (ASP) and XviD. H.264 encoded podcasts downloaded from tikibartv.com played but were nearly unwatchable. The video and sound were far too jerky for enjoyable viewing. I encoded my own video content in MPEG-1, MPEG-4 and XviD at various bit rates and had good experiences with playback. references: http://coreplayer.com/content/view/28/44/ http://www.tikibartv.com/ -- Andrew Becherer Undergraduate, Computing and Software Systems University of Washington, Tacoma ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [News] Dash, the internet-connected gps
My nav system knows the road type (primary, secondary, etc.) and then has settable speeds based on the type - 65 mph primary, 50mph secondary, etc. 'Good enough' estimate, but the realtime traffic/weather seems very useful. This is doable using traffic weather data from existing services that could be piped to the OpenMoko (or any device) say as a GeoRSS stream and then used to update predictions either on a server, or the handset. At least let you know things are bad ahead. On 4/10/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 6:12, Dean Collins wrote: Yep, coding easy to do however issues are- Mapping of roads and associated speed limits, almost non existent in the commercial space let alone in the open source space. snip Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). The last navigation system I had was able to predict how long it would take for me to get where I was going over many different roads..(highway,streets.. Etc) and then adjust it based on my actual speed and the distance remaining. I think the speed limits are in there also for that purpose. --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google maps caching
This isn't entirely a restriction set by Google, but by the originating data providers such as NavTeq or Teleatlas. They have licensed the data to Google to use through their API. This restricts third parties from them storing reusing this data in their own way. Yahoo recently put down uses like this in other open-projects. In the end, just don't do it. Their are other alternatives (trying to run Gmaps mobile, OpenStreetMap, other data sources, appealing to GPS Map vendors). On 4/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've read through several threads on this list, and others, which discuss the use of Google Maps for mobiles. It has been mentioned several times that Google doesn't allow map tiles to be cached. I've read through the Google Maps API Terms of Use and I can't seem to find any mention of caching being prohibited. Could someone please point me to the relevant section please? I find it a little odd that Google doesn't allow caching of map tiles as they are quite large and I can imagine Google's server bandwidth costs are huge if every tile is fetched directly without going through a caching http proxy. My train of thought is going along the lines of running squid or similar on the actual phone... Cheers, Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Choice of scripting langage: towards Web2.0?
For a dynamic scripting language that would be best served to consume web resources and already tie into a big development community there are two primary choices: Python and Ruby. Python has had incredible support and impact on Nokia mobiles with Py60 (see Nokia's Py60 extensions to device access: http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_extensions), and Maemo (N800) Python/Hildon bindings for building 'native' applications. Ruby has a growing community, but hasn't yet gotten good support on mobile devices. There are some potential projects for building Ruby bindings on Maemo that will be very useful. So could look at it either that Ruby doesn't have a big mobile community contingent so why bother, or that the community really *wants* a Ruby mobile so would jump on the chance. Both languages have excellent networking libraries/frameworks, so this really isn't a concern. Really, both languages could be supported in tandem and in fact build on one another's work/efforts. And you wouldn't really be dividing effort since the two communities are both strong in their own right, and so would support their framework. Andrew On 4/4/07, Florent THIERY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be the best platform for using web 2.0 APIs? There are interesting web 2.0 services, almost all offering free-to-use APIs (http://www.programmableweb.com/), such as the recent netvibes crossplatform widget API http://dev.netvibes.com/ or Imity, who recently released an open source phone client. Imity uses your mobile phone (bluetooth) to sense people around you, people that are members of the same social networks as you. http://www.imity.com/pocket-radar http://code.google.com/p/imity-client/ What's interesting about it is that it's not restricted to one social network, but to other ones too (ex: flickr). And it works offline too . Imity will support integration with partners through dynamic objects. Imity objects will allow social networks of any kind to use Imity as a platform for physical real-life support of their web application. I'd be happy to do the same with last.fm neighbours in real life... Or any friend-based network: oh you know my friend *** ? We should take a second look at the python twisted networking framework: the twistedmatrix projects allow easy use of ssh, sftp, http client/server, smtp, imap, pop, dns, nntp, IM client/servers (OSCAR (AIM and ICQ), IRC, MSN, TOC (AIM), jabber). http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/TwistedProjects Maybe this could help in the scripting language decision. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tomtom on the Neo1973
On 4/2/07, adrian cockcroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm happy with the capabilities of Google maps, except that it doesn't know where I am Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers. So you're restricted to writing a client that either uses commercial maps (again, difficult to find providers that are willing to sell 'just the data'), or open data such as OpenStreetMap or Vmap0 or scanned in, rectified, out-of-copyright maps. To address the questions of quality/support of OSM - check out this recent blog post: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=189 The UK Ordnance Survey - national mapping agency - is incorporating their data into OSM, and also taking ownership of the OSM data and resources in order to better incorporate their efforts. What this means is that OSM will get very high-quality, very quickly. At least in the UK. The US-OSM is already bringing in the free Tiger/Census map data that most US maps are built on. So given java support on OpenMoko, I think there is already a fairly generic mobile Java version of Google Maps that should just work... However to interface to the GPS we will need a modified version. I think there is at least one platform specific version of Google Maps that does have GPS integration. I'm sure we can find someone at Google who can help us figure out what it would take to support the OpenMoko/Neo1973. I wouldn't be surprise if there was someone who works at Google subscribed to this list :-) Right, but the bigger question is if Google wanted to develop support their GmapsMobile for OpenMoko. This will be difficult. Adrian On 4/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I remember correctly the company of smart2go was bought by Nokia last year. So I don't think they will support other phones but Nokias in near future. Regards Karsten On Monday 02 April 2007 11:42:51 Attila Csipa wrote: On Monday 02 April 2007 08:13, Hans L wrote: I guess it is a question of whether the map providers are willing to cooperate and divulge the details of their file format to an open source project, or alternatively converting their data into some open format for use with such a project. In my experience this is highly unlikely. Their first thought would be content protection - and on OpenMoko you (should) have none. When they license data to software companies, it's easier, since they have NDA-s, contractual obligations, etc, but they would see no incentive to open up their formats. The income from end users buying open format data is minuscule compared to the possible damages from pirated data and/or lost bulk contracts from their point of view. And to reiterate a personal opinion about commercial software on OM - please do not change or put a minute of effort in OpenMoko to make commercial software run easier than any other software (unless you get a substantial donation :) - if a company is to make some money on OpenMoko users, let it at least pay it's own costs in full. and what about smart2go ? www.smart2go.com W ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tomtom on the Neo1973
There are a couple of Google Summer of Code applications that involve building a mapping application on OpenMoko. Hopefully one of these get's funded. At the very least that will demonstrate the viability of OpenMoko and the Neo1973 as a mobile mapping platform that commercial vendors can then consider developing their applications for. So it seems like OSM with the Google SoC app would be a good, first effort towards this end. Then you can go to TomTom/Google et al and say see, looks good, bring yours. :) Andrew On 4/2/07, Paul McMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that while this is unlikely, it's the best option for all involved. You would need a software company to write that binary library though... which would probably not be a particularly profitable enterprise. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can OpenMoko Make Coffee? - SoC Project Proposal
There are already very good web interfaces for various stereo systems such as the SlimServer (for squeezebox) and Roku Soundbridge. For Home Automation, you definitely don't want to have it tied to a mobile device that's going to go away so instead have the Neo1973 display an interface to your linux/mac/pc home automation system. For example, Perceptive Automation's Indigo has Control Pages, full featured web interface to your home automation system, security, itunes, music, etc: http://www.perceptiveautomation.com/indigo/window2_pageeditor.html http://goprism.com:8000/controlpage?name=itunes_controller On Linux MisterHouse (http://misterhouse.sourceforge.net/) is web-based, open-source, and very hackable (if you like Perl) for controlling all this stuff, viewing sensor data, etc. These both will use your GPRS data connection, but that's very useful for controlling when you're not at home/office. You can also use the Bluetooth for proximity detection - which can check out Romeo/Salling Clicker/others for good examples of how this could be done on OpenMoko and then provide a nice interface for controlling detected devices. Anyways, so for a SoC project this would still be useful to tie an application for proximity detection and UI for interfacing these systems. Andrew On 3/19/07, Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that the Neo1973 is both a phone and a portable handheld device. Using it as a remote control is one of the things I've personally been interested in this whole thing for. I'd like to think of the OpenMoko device as an extension of myself into the world of electronic devices. My own interface with the world ... until such time as we can get wetware to do brain-computer interfaces, ;). -- Me too. I want to use the moko to control a media center PC that is connected to my stereo, for queuing up audio files and etc. My PC uses a video projector for the monitor and turning on the projector is too much trouble just for queuing up audio. Leaving the projector on uses up the bulb life too. I wonder if one of the linux based media center apps like mythTV would work for this? A custom remote control app for the moko would be best, but a web browser interface would be fine too. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
As a Gmail user (all my emails route to Gmail), I found it the best because it is free, reliable, works on all my mobile devices, large storage, easy to use, good spam filtering, and has excellent threading. In fact, the only messages that become de-threaded are yours rob. Your habit of changing the subject line makes the email messages show up out of thread. Now, perhaps this is the fault of GMail - or the Mail list application that the OpenMoKo list is using. But it isn't nice, or professional, to disparage people (especially an obvious majority) just because of the email service they use. Andrew by the way, it's spelled References On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Richard, *! I full agree with you! But dubbel mails from gmail is IMHO not the worst - it is starting new threads with every answer be not using working Referneces or In-Replay-To On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote: Hi, Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me... tzz, locking forward to have more ICT freedom with OpenMoko/Neo1973 but wasting personal freedom and privatcy by using the datacollecting monster google A nyway, aside from that minirant, is it possible when sending mail from Gmail to not CC loads of people in the meantime? The gmailers here on the list are also _rowdily_ by not using an emailclient with supporting working References :(( Maybe they are so ICT unskilled that they do not know that good emailcinets support threading for efficient and civilised communication. So either someone of the gmail guys explains the other gmail ICT-noobs how to use an emailclient for a civilised participtation on a mailinglist, or I will gooing filter all mails comming from gmail.com. (Gmail users seems to become what AOL users has been known for) Nice hints like: S: Small hint: Your Email hasn't a working References: or In-Reply-To: in its header, so no email client could put it into the right thread. Please check if you can answer with Referneces. Seems not to be understood or respected. Sorry for my hard words,* but as we known there are over 800 people on the list and a mailinglist without respecting References in the emailheader will making an unneccessary mess in our inboxes, but also on the webarchives. So when you are using gmail and you know how to use gmail civilised on a mailinglist, please explain other gmailers how to do so Which gmail user can help? Thank you :)) rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Get your own OpenMoko T-Shirt
Or another option would be to put them on CafePress as well - which serves the US, and also would probably be much cheaper for us (bad, bad you exchange rate you) Andrew On 2/12/07, Daniel Willmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:04:48 -0600 Ryan Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel-- Those are some nice looking shirts! What is the price for a T-Shirt in USD? Is it possible to buy one with USD? Great Job! thanks. It looks like spreadshirt.net does not deliver to the US. I'll try to get the contents of that shop available through spreadshirt.com. 1 EUR should be about 1.3 USD Regards, Daniel Willmann ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Still not getting it...(was: New Topic: Learning how to write for OpenMoko)
Hi Ryan, I understand where you're coming from. Right now the process of getting up and running developing for the Neo1973 isn't straight-forward - especially for a new coder. This is for a bunch of reasons, one of which is that the actual software isn't released yet, but will be in the near future. Once the software is released, I imagine very quickly someone can put together a VMWare or Qemu image that you could boot on your computer into a development environment. So, my suggestion would be to go ahead and grab a free copy of VMWare player and grab the Ubuntu image (google for it) and get that running (should be very straightforward). For programming, you'll need to start to get up and running with C++. That's a fairly daunting task, but if you want to do real programming for the Neo, you'll need to know how to program in C++, or possibly Python. With regards to themes - not sure how they'll be configured, though probably using similar theming in GTK+ now. You can probably start by just doing Photoshop mockups at the nominal resolution on what you think they'll look like. Hope that helps get you started in a couple of directions. :) Andrew On 2/12/07, Ryan Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have looked at numerous websites and I am still very confused about what I need to write stuff for OpenMoko (Mostly UI). I use Mac OS X, and I don't have a whole lot of prior coding experience. I learn pretty quickly, though. Does anyone know of tutorials, etc. that will get me on the right track. I especially want to make themes for the phone. I have Photoshop, so I would probably use that for the actual tweaking, but I would have no idea how to make it run on the phone. Any help is appreciated. -ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [moved to community mailinglist]Re: ruby in openmoko
On 2/1/07, Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a newbie to ruby. But heard that ruby is a programming language that can make life of a programmer a little bit comfortable. That's why I am starting to learn it. Ruby 1.8.5 is in OpenEmbedded so it will probably be available in proper feeds so user will be able to install it. To make Ruby useful, it would need some bindings to GTK and possibly Neo hardware components. This would, of course, be very cool :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: idea: World Clock
Well, what if you just entered the phone number - based on the country code region/area code, the time is displayed at that location. Or when you go to your address book and show a user, it shows the time for that person. And while you mention it - re: Alarms, the *best* interface feature for an alarm I've ever seen is on my current mobile. After you set the alarm, it confirms by saying, Alarm will ring in 8h 40m. That is such a comfortable feeling to confirm the alarm is set right (that it's not for PM by saying 20h ;) Andrew On 1/29/07, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The pictures of the Neo show a clock. Will this be a world clock? I would really like one so that when I get to Germany next year, I can keep track of time back home for making my calls. One with ability to set alarms would be great. mary ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reactions From Other People to News of OpenMoko
If anyone needs examples of how phones connect behind ones back, I can provide a fair few. I had the O2 XDA Orbit. It looks like a smashing phone, but the software on it lets it down massively. The carrier have changed the software's functionality, so even when you disable GPRS connection (like putting the phone into flight mode, but with just GPRS) the software turns it back on. This led to a bill of £26 after just 5 days of having the phone. Needless to say, the phone went back, and I'm now sitting on my hands until I graduate from Uni, carry on my professional career, and hopefully get my hands on the neo1973 in September. I must say, the experience with integrated GPS was probably the best thing about the phone. I had to visit a client - the GPS took me to the nearest car park, then I was able to use walk mode to find my way right to their front door. I had a handheld GPS before, which one couldn't really use to the same extent. Bryan Fink wrote: Answers of the, So I know exactly what my phone is doing at all times - no secrets, variety typically get you labeled paranoid. Answers of the, Because I will be able to modify absolutely anything about it, Really interesting thread, Bryan - and definitely worth thinking about, because the 'pitch' to different types of people (developers, early adopting consumers, businesses, mass market) will certainly have to vary! I'd make one comment on the quote above. I agree that most people would tend to dismiss unspecified fears (this bit of hardware might be doing something behind my back!). But if you tie that to a more specific example, it might help to get the concept across. I usually point out how the priorities of end users and those of operators differ: and it's the operators who are the manufacturer's biggest customers. For example, some phones put Send an MMS above Send an SMS on a menu: very few MMSs are sent in comparison to texts, but the operators are keen to encourage take-up. Or another example: there's no technical reason why you can't use any MP3 you've transferred to your phone as a ringtone. But allowing that would limit a lucrative market, so most phones prevent it. It'd be interesting to start collecting ideas of potential ways to express the benefits to different types of customer: who would be most interested in what type of message? When I get a minute over the weekend, I'll add some thoughts to the wiki (which might need a 'Marketing' section...). Cheers, Ben -- Andrew Loughran ZRMT Solutions ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo Carputer (was: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer)
On 1/26/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a side note... In the US and probably other countries there is a standard for the interface to the car computer. From that interface you can get the vehicle speed and diagnostic information about how the engine is running. It might be interesting to have some kind of bluetooth car interface to obtain that information and display it for you while you are in your car. Anyone ever heard of anything like that? You're speaking of OBD or CAN. There are some good interfaces out there, though the auto companies try to protect their information. It would be neat to build a plotter/scanner interface for measuring the car sensors on the Neo using either bluetooth or serial/usb. Bluetooth OBD scanner: http://www.vitalengineering.co.uk/ Open-source OBD scanner python software: http://www.cs.unm.edu/~donour/cars/pyobd/ See my del.icio.us bookmarks (http://del.icio.us/nilspace/carputer) for more links (and others on del.icio.us) Andrew ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Carputer (was: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer)
On 1/26/07, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned this in another thread too, but a usb-svga adapter with bluetooth, audio, the CAN or other car electronic interface would make a sophisticated docking station that the Neo would be plugged into when driving. Another application that follows would be to use the GPS combined with a bluetooth headset to make a map system speak it's directions as your moving, like some car GPS units do, although there is no open-source system that could do that at the moment. Maemo Mapper can do maps, directions, and voice-speak navigation. Doesn't tie into a BT headset or accept voice commands (I don't think) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: verizon and openmoko
or just buy another account on another carrier ;) get their 'cheapest' plan. But I believe the Neo will only work on Cingular TMobile in the US. On 1/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to see if anyone knows whether or not the OpenMoko phone would work with Verizon? I have attempted to research what protocols Verizon supports, and it appears that they use EVDO and CDMA, technology which isn't supported on this phone. I was highly excited about the product until it seemed that I couldn't use it on my carrier. I don't really want to have to change carriers to use the openmoko phone. Any info would be helpful, thanks! -Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973: Mobile Phone or Mobile Computer?
Not sure if this fits the bill, but: Gnash is a GNU Flash movie player http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ On 1/24/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 18:16 +, Al Johnson wrote: Getting a flash-capable browser will be another problem entirely... I wondered about that before posting, but I found this link, so it looks like options may be available.. although I gather the standard approach is to have the manufacturer negotiate the license with Macromedia: http://board.flashkit.com/board/archive/index.php/f-62.html But I think the bigger issue may be if mobile phones are subjected to different legislation than your regular PC - I can see the major phone manufacturers lobbying this point of view to protect and lock-in their market shares. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: an idea: GPS blog?
Great ideas - it would be worth checking out existing services to tie into, such as Plazes (http://plazes.com), which has blog widgets (see my blog sidebar http://highearthorbit.com) There are also Geo-plugins for blogging engines, such as GeoPress for WordPress (http://georss.org/geopress), that the Neo could publish location, history, photos to. Or just geotag photos and upload to Flickr/SmugMug/Panoramio/Zooomr/et al. GeoTracing (http://www.geotracing.com/) is a very cool project that spawned GeoSkating GeoSailing, much like what you're suggesting. And Bliin (http://www.bliin.com/) is an upcoming project to do very advanced tracking/friend finding, etc. See the OpenMoKo wiki for some of these links and to add your own ideas! http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/ideas/GPSFriends http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Software But as Richard Bennet pointed out - a lot of the actual 'ability' will depend on the accuracy of the GPS that the phone apps sees. Andrew On 1/23/07, Jan Van Vlaenderen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would be a nice feature when doing geocaching. Everybody can see the mistakes you did :-) On 1/23/07, Michele Manzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice to keep as a personal record, BTW that's done in several time tracking apps. But who's willing to tell the world where (s)he usually hangs out and when during the day? Cheers Michele Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Oleg L. Sverdlov Inviato: martedì 23 gennaio 2007 10.51 A: OpenMoko Oggetto: an idea: GPS blog? Videoblogging has its niche, but how about a small application that remembers where you've been during a day , and how long; and then visualizes everything in form of nice coloured curves, and publishes to your blog? -- Best regards, Oleg. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/644 - Release Date: 22/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/644 - Release Date: 22/01/2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: BT Vehicle Profiles
Bluetooth connectivity is usually limited by the protocols that the bluetooth stack supports on the 2-sides. Essentially, are they both going to speak the same protocol? It is sometimes possible to write drivers for hardware (at least open hardware) to add protocol's to the stack. However, what car/system do you have so that it may help identify which protocol's it expects. Here is a good intro to Bluetooth technical aspects: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeviceDrivers/Conceptual/Bluetooth/BT_Bluetooth_Basics/chapter_2_section_4.html Andrew On 1/23/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a car that only allows bluetooth connectivity to about 10 Motorola (old) phones. Needless to say that's incredibly frustrating as my phone isn't one of the listed phones. As this is going to be an open phone could I make the OpenMoko emulate one of these old phones so that I can finally connect to my car? I know nothing about Bluetooth - just how involved would this be? Duncan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: app idea: where is my stuff (wims)
This is really neat idea - I've seen web projects that allow you to 'geotag' real-world objects (geotagthings.com and others), but this is actually for your own purposes of tracking that item back down. Perhaps you take a CD/DVD/Video game to a friend's house, or when you're shopping you want to remember to come back and pick up that outfit/TV/Equipment when you're by the mall again. Or, sporting event season ticket seats (really getting to how good accuracy will the AGPS have?) While LBS mobile apps aren't new, the Neo will be one of the first to expose the AGPS to client-side developers (besides Nextel, which inspired Mologogo). This is what makes it exciting :) Andrew On 1/23/07, Robin Farine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, On my desktop machine, I like Tellico (a KDE application to manage collections) to keep track of some of my stuff. On the Neo, I would like something similar, a simple application that manages objects consisting of, say, a set of custom properties and possibly with some automatic grouping according to filters on properties. And the AGPS provides the icing on the cake: a common example is where the heck did I park my car. With this application, the happy owner of a Neo would select the object representing his car as he leaves it and hit a button to associate the Neo's current position in space-time with it. Later, he could just select the car object again and ask the Neo to show him the way. Robin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer
On 1/23/07, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the idea is good! But why only one? With one 3-axis accelerometer, we detect a move in the space XYZ: We move our arm. If we use 3 3-axis accelerometer (one in each angle of a triangle), we can detect more movements: We can detect if the neo turn over himself (with no global XYZ move). You don't need 3 accelerometers to do that - 1 is sufficient. Gravity is down, so you can usually use that to detect orientation of the device (landscape, upright, upside-down). It would also allow you to measure rotations of the device about axes (spinning/shaking). For an idea of how small inexpensive accelerometers are, see this COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) one from a hobby company: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=730 $10.95 - that's for a single unit, not in bulk. There's a reason it's started showing up in devices. Now, pair the accelerometer w/ GPS and you have GeoPointing. What is that building over *there*? Sure people do that already (http://geovector.com/), but not on O/S platforms. ;) Andrew For exemple, we can detect too, movements as: 1. a rotation of the hand 2. waves with the hand (not like hello, but more as approximately) ... Does anybody know more about price and precision of the accelerometers's chips on the market now? Regards, Le mercredi 24 janvier 2007 à 12:50 +1100, Tehn Yit Chin a écrit : Not too sure how doable this is, but how about having a 3axis accelerometer in the 2nd generation of the Neo? This will give us the ability to link hand movements as command sets, sort of like mouse gestures but in a 3d space. The obvious usage is for 3d gestures command the phone, eg shake the phone three times to answer when a calls comes in, or move the phone in a cross motion to put it into do not disturb mode. cheers, tyc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
