Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
Nick, Ah! I understand you view now. I was thinking more on the platform that could anyone deploy their our metadata service (open source) and have a client application that can be customized by the user and select which metadata server to contact. The metadata server that will be contacted by the client app might have or not the information but will have the logical means to forward the request to the top level metadata server configured on that metadata server (hence ala DNS behaviour). This could enable anyone to have their own metadata server configured/customized the way they want and the system can be as wide and open as the internet instead of relaying on a single system/implementation/point of failure. Probably for only one app like the mobile location wikipedia using freebase.com might be enough. Regards, -Urivan Flores-Saaib ==Original message text=== On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:09:19 +0100 Nick Johnson wrote: On 7/3/07, Urivan Saaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed the freebase.com website requires invitation, do you have access to it? Also, the license of the service is free for non-commercial only, do you have any considerations in this topic? How will this affect the adoption of new developments? I have an invite. When it goes beta, accounts won't be required for read-only access, and when it goes release, accounts will be free for the taking. My undestanding RE: use is that all the content is Creative Commons licensed, so it shouldn't be an issue. Also, custom metadata repositories and replication (commercial services) do not seem feasible with freebase.com. What do you mean? I was thinking of this as a sort of mobile, location-based wikipedia. -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ===End of original message text=== ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
No excuses left Nick. Seems that you have to write a wefi clone :) Mathias Mikko Rauhala schrieb: ma, 2007-07-02 kello 22:31 +1200, Nick Johnson kirjoitti: NZ has GPRS, but my understanding was that the AGPS requires the network to explicitly support it to get the assist data - that's certainly what everything I've read has indicated. I thought it was also required to get a fix at all - that the AGPS chip offloads some of the harder work onto the network, as that's what a workmate told me - but if he's wrong, I'm glad. ;) Well, the AGPS concept isn't exactly well-defined, and operators have at least tried to get their explicit services to be necessary for the operation of such devices. Even position calculation offloading has been considered, maybe even implemented somewhere (dunno), but that's rather ludicurous, as it's not really that CPU intensive. Anyway, the Global Locate AGPS chip/driver combination is indeed of the flexible variety that _can_ function standalone, but can also take advantage of assist data for faster/better fixing. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
On 7/3/07, Mathias Rüdiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No excuses left Nick. Seems that you have to write a wefi clone :) Looks like it. ;) Actually, I was thinking something more OpenMoko specific - a sort of enhanced PIM that lets you store locations and contacts (and contacts with locations) side-by-side, and a corresponding API so other bits can take advantage of the data (like the aforementioned muting-when-entering-cinema stuff). The other idea for a 'killer mobile gps app' that occurred to me is some sort of dynamic-flash-mob system, where you can express interest in various activities, and it'll detect whenever a 'critical mass' of people for a given activity are close enough together and buzz them all. Imagine walking past a stranger and suddenly your cellphones buzz to let you know you're both interested in a quick game of something... Obviously there are some pretty significant privacy issues that would be hard to get around for an application like that, though. -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
On 7/3/07, Urivan Saaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, I was thinking of something ala DNS, where the application can discover pieces of metadata associated to real-world items (you name it) categorized in a standard an open way. Users could add/edit/remove their own choices to customize what they want from their devices (getting closer to/getting far from vs state/status of the element associated to metadata. This could bring a benefic impact on the number/type of applications developed not only for OpenMoko but for any device that could gain access to a GPS hardware. Coincidentally, I was just thinking about integration with Freebase (http://www.freebase.com/), which would accomplish most of what you list. :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
Nick, I noticed the freebase.com website requires invitation, do you have access to it? Also, the license of the service is free for non-commercial only, do you have any considerations in this topic? How will this affect the adoption of new developments? Also, custom metadata repositories and replication (commercial services) do not seem feasible with freebase.com. Regards, -Urivan Flores-Saaib ==Original message text=== On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:47:54 +0100 Nick Johnson wrote: On 7/3/07, Urivan Saaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, I was thinking of something ala DNS, where the application can discover pieces of metadata associated to real-world items (you name it) categorized in a standard an open way. Users could add/edit/remove their own choices to customize what they want from their devices (getting closer to/getting far from vs state/status of the element associated to metadata. This could bring a benefic impact on the number/type of applications developed not only for OpenMoko but for any device that could gain access to a GPS hardware. Coincidentally, I was just thinking about integration with Freebase (http://www.freebase.com/), which would accomplish most of what youlist. :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ===End of original message text=== ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
Um, advanced hide and seek, your getting warmer... hot, hot, colder... On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:40:50 +0100 Urivan Saaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, I was thinking of something ala DNS, where the application can discover pieces of metadata associated to real-world items (you name it) categorized in a standard an open way. Users could add/edit/remove their own choices to customize what they want from their devices (getting closer to/getting far from vs state/status of the element associated to metadata. This could bring a benefic impact on the number/type of applications developed not only for OpenMoko but for any device that could gain access to a GPS hardware. Btw, I've been keeping track on the mailing list, reading quitely...Congratulations to all of you (hardware, software) for the excelent work. Regards, -Urivan Flores Saaib ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89) Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The other idea for a 'killer mobile gps app' that occurred to me is some sort of dynamic-flash-mob system, where you can express interest in various activities, and it'll detect whenever a 'critical mass' of people for a given activity are close enough together and buzz them all. Imagine walking past a stranger and suddenly your cellphones buzz to let you know you're both interested in a quick game of something... That sounds like great fun. Do you plan to introduce a central server and use a critical radius of a kilometer, or do you want to use wifi. I guess that wifi requires a fairly large userbase. Is it possible to design a system that worked with a central server without having the users reveal their position and identity all the time? On a related note I think that Slashdot once had a story about a (bluetooth based??) Japanese dating gadget that worked in a similar fashion. They had to buy the gadget, encode their preferences, and then wait for the unexpected buzz of finding a perfect match. They must have used some kind of encoding to prevent abuse, but I am not sure how it worked. On an even less related note it could be fun to keep a log-file of the wifi phones that stay in your vicinity for more than an hour (ignoring public transport). Then your phone can tell you whether or not you have met a given person before. Perhaps you can use data from the log file to query friends for further information or a vcard. This idea might require a lot of storage and a way to filter out routers, but it could lead to some fun. Enough babling... Actually I just wanted to wish you all good luck with finishing up the phones. I am looking forward to buying one. Niels ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
On Tue, July 3, 2007 2:33 pm, Niels L. Ellegaard wrote: On a related note I think that Slashdot once had a story about a (bluetooth based??) Japanese dating gadget that worked in a similar fashion. They had to buy the gadget, encode their preferences, and then wait for the unexpected buzz of finding a perfect match. They must have used some kind of encoding to prevent abuse, but I am not sure how it worked. Nokia have software to do that with their S60 smartphones. I don't think it has a large enough user base to be useful. (even though there are ~100 million compatible phones out there). http://europe.nokia.com/A4144923 On an even less related note it could be fun to keep a log-file of the wifi phones that stay in your vicinity for more than an hour (ignoring public transport). Then your phone can tell you whether or not you have met a given person before. Perhaps you can use data from the log file to query friends for further information or a vcard. This idea might require a lot of storage and a way to filter out routers, but it could lead to some fun. I think if you are going to do that, you would be better off doing it with Bluetooth, as there are many more BT devices out there, and most people leave BT switched on, as it does not drain the battery much. -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
On 7/3/07, Urivan Saaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed the freebase.com website requires invitation, do you have access to it? Also, the license of the service is free for non-commercial only, do you have any considerations in this topic? How will this affect the adoption of new developments? I have an invite. When it goes beta, accounts won't be required for read-only access, and when it goes release, accounts will be free for the taking. My undestanding RE: use is that all the content is Creative Commons licensed, so it shouldn't be an issue. Also, custom metadata repositories and replication (commercial services) do not seem feasible with freebase.com. What do you mean? I was thinking of this as a sort of mobile, location-based wikipedia. -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
On 7/4/07, Niels L. Ellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds like great fun. Do you plan to introduce a central server and use a critical radius of a kilometer, or do you want to use wifi. I guess that wifi requires a fairly large userbase. Is it possible to design a system that worked with a central server without having the users reveal their position and identity all the time? I think a central server would be neccessary. Wifi has limited range, and doing ad-hoc networks is complicated. Bluetooth's range is even more limited. The privacy implications of constantly uploading your real-time position to a central server are formidable, though. -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Advertising/hype
http://www.wefi.com/ seems to be along that lines, the software they are using seems to be windows only at the moment though :(. But maybe somebody could write and open source one that still has access to the Google Wifi Mappage that works with the Neos GPS. Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:07:28 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Advertising/hypeKind of OT, but on the GPS thought... one thing it could do is map WiFi hotspots to GPS coordinates automatically as you walk / drive around. That way, for example, you could solve that problem of not being able to easily find WiFi hotspots (which is the big thing against WiFi right now), since you could just pull out the device and ask it where the nearest open hotspot is. (Boom! There's one). As for point of interest stuff... I don't think it would be too painful to have an address book that also has GPS coordinates for your addresses, with a little set to current location button that would tell the device that said coordinates are said address. (And then the addresses could have tags, such as Theatre, that the device could act on automatically). Bye,-Dylan McCall On 7/1/07, Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Johnson wrote: On 7/2/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic about what it can and cant do. As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest data like that isn't as hard as you might think. The main problem would be that you're not going to have GPS reception indoors, so you won't neccessarially know when you're entering a cinema. :)you'd be surprised at what recent (sirfstar III) receivers can tell you. last time, I could make up the aisles in the supermarket...___OpenMoko community mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
Somehow I don't think that 'the OS/ browser/ app that you built' will excite anyone except linux-guru's. ;-) (it would scare me away...) Take a look at some of the N95 vs iPhone spoofs on youtube. Some of them are really good: Battery replacement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1-8DpRNGNEmode=relatedsearch= Internet: (This one is good since Jobs has convinced a lot of people that only the iPhone has the 'real' Internet.whatever that may be.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwrE5UCUf7sNR=1 Google Maps/ GPS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GecftG1Kh7wNR=1 The scenario I like is also about the freedom to write applications, but from a user/consumer point of view: Moko: Hi, I'm an OpenMoko phone iPhone: And I'm an iPhone * OpenMoko looks is busy tapping on his phone. iPhone: What are you doing? Moko: Oh, I just installed this handy app that lets me insert cool app. iPhone: I don't think I have such a program. But I can run ajax-programs through the web. Check this app out. It finds the cheapest gas stations in your neighbourhood. Here I'll show you! * iPhone does nothing. Moko: Sow, can you show it to me or not? iPhone: Wait, be patient, I'm loading the app *pause again. iPhone: Damnit, lost my connection! On 7/1/07, Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This puts me in mind of this is the house that jack built: This is the phone that you built. This is the OS running on the phone that you built. This is the browser running on the OS on the phone that you built... Not sure if that's what you were referring to, as I haven't seen the ads in question. -Nick On 7/2/07, Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Black background. Things come on screen in their unpolished current state, glitches and all. Lines in quotes are voiceovers. This is turning it on. We see Tux and initscript messages scrolling down the screen. This is the internet. Show browser displaying Slashdot or kernel.org or something. This is your music... Show terminal with: cd /home/bob/multimedia/music ls They Might Be Giants The White Stripes The Red Hot Chili Peppers The Killers [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the package manager . . . Show package manager displaying pending updates. . . . that installs the updates . . . User selects an update and clicks Install. . . . that you write for your Neo. Incoming call interrupts package manager, call is taken. Female voice from phone: Hey there. Fade to black, display centered text FIC Neo1973 + OpenMoko Get your hack on. That's my idea for a commercial which calls the iPhone commercials to mind, but which are targeted at a different audience and don't raise expectations unreasonably high! Cheers, Ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
iPhone: Damnit, lost my connection! Why do people think that AJAX apps are necessarly remote ? They can be local and drive internal components (such as a gsmd for contacts/calling/messaging), do people really think that you'd have to connect the Internet to write kitchen receipes ? Maps-enabled apps, yes: Google Maps is way more clever than having to carry around a continental map. As is Wikipedia access, etc... But simple apps will be local, and won't necessarly suck ! It's just the make up that changes (ok, this does'nt count for games, but we're talking GUI toolkit here). Cheers, Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
On Monday 02 July 2007 11:02, Nick Johnson wrote: snip I would do it myself, but from what I hear, the AGPS chip in the Neo isn't even going to work on NZ's cellular network. Pity. :/ What gives you that idea? It can operate as a GPS without needing anything from the operator. It can use a bit of downloaded data to get a lock faster on startup, and may be able to use downloaded data to improve accuracy. None of this depends on the cellular network. -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
ma, 2007-07-02 kello 22:02 +1200, Nick Johnson kirjoitti: I would do it myself, but from what I hear, the AGPS chip in the Neo isn't even going to work on NZ's cellular network. Pity. :/ Umm, the GPS chip and driver don't rely on the cellular network to function. They can work completely stand-alone. You can get a quicker cold fix if the driver can fetch some assist data from the network (what, NZ don't have GPRS?), but this isn't required. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
On 7/2/07, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 02 July 2007 11:02, Nick Johnson wrote: snip I would do it myself, but from what I hear, the AGPS chip in the Neo isn't even going to work on NZ's cellular network. Pity. :/ What gives you that idea? It can operate as a GPS without needing anything from the operator. It can use a bit of downloaded data to get a lock faster on startup, and may be able to use downloaded data to improve accuracy. None of this depends on the cellular network. My understanding was that the AGPS doesn't have the capability to get a fix on its own - that it requires assistance from the cell network for some of the heavier-duty processing it does. If I'm wrong about this, excellent. :) -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
On 7/2/07, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm, the GPS chip and driver don't rely on the cellular network to function. They can work completely stand-alone. You can get a quicker cold fix if the driver can fetch some assist data from the network (what, NZ don't have GPRS?), but this isn't required. NZ has GPRS, but my understanding was that the AGPS requires the network to explicitly support it to get the assist data - that's certainly what everything I've read has indicated. I thought it was also required to get a fix at all - that the AGPS chip offloads some of the harder work onto the network, as that's what a workmate told me - but if he's wrong, I'm glad. ;) -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
someone has built an offline calendar/reminder tool called Remember The Milk: http://www.rememberthemilk.com/ it's built on google gears - all the data and application is run locally and re-synchronises on an internet connection appearing On 7/2/07, Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maps-enabled apps, yes: Google Maps is way more clever than having to carry around a continental map. As is Wikipedia access, etc... But simple apps will be local, and won't necessarly suck ! It's just the make up that changes (ok, this does'nt count for games, but we're talking GUI toolkit here). I've yet to see an AJAX app that you can load entirely locally, so the criticism still applies. Besides, the point of nearly all AJAX apps is as a frontend for some server-connected service or another - maps, mail, sticky notes, whatever. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
On Monday 02 July 2007 12:31:00 Nick Johnson wrote: certainly what everything I've read has indicated. I thought it was also required to get a fix at all - that the AGPS chip offloads some of the harder work onto the network, as that's what a workmate told me - but if he's wrong, I'm glad. ;) The GPS chip in Neo can work without any support from the network whatsoever, just takes him a bit longer to get precise position data. pgpIZflsyEDcc.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
On 7/2/07, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone has built an offline calendar/reminder tool called Remember The Milk: http://www.rememberthemilk.com/ it's built on google gears - all the data and application is run locally and re-synchronises on an internet connection appearing Yes, but you're still going to need an internet connection to load the site in the first place, and you're still going to need one whenever you sync. In the hypothetical situation described in the 'advertisement', both would apply. Besides, I don't see the iPhone having an implementation of Google Gears in the near future, since Apple have completely closed the platform to native apps. :) -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
ma, 2007-07-02 kello 22:31 +1200, Nick Johnson kirjoitti: NZ has GPRS, but my understanding was that the AGPS requires the network to explicitly support it to get the assist data - that's certainly what everything I've read has indicated. I thought it was also required to get a fix at all - that the AGPS chip offloads some of the harder work onto the network, as that's what a workmate told me - but if he's wrong, I'm glad. ;) Well, the AGPS concept isn't exactly well-defined, and operators have at least tried to get their explicit services to be necessary for the operation of such devices. Even position calculation offloading has been considered, maybe even implemented somewhere (dunno), but that's rather ludicurous, as it's not really that CPU intensive. Anyway, the Global Locate AGPS chip/driver combination is indeed of the flexible variety that _can_ function standalone, but can also take advantage of assist data for faster/better fixing. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
I think youtube is a very good means to spread some adverts.. Why not try it that way? A lot of people/products have been promoted that way :) Edwin Lock ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 16:51 +0200, Frederic Kettelhoit wrote: I also really like the script! Sounds great. The idea of some ads for the openmoko is great. The question is, whether there is someone who will pay that. FIC? Or do you want to show them on youtube and other free platforms only? If somebody is seriously about doing this let me know. I kinda liked the idea ;-) -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Cool idea. I think we should get the press machine turning on the inside, and then set it loose when the Phase 2 is released and ready for prime time. On 7/1/07, Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which brings me to a sudden (though premature) thought I had. I read one or two other posts in the archives about advertising/hype, and it occurred to me that the contrast between the iPhone and the OpenMoko is like night and day. Even better, Apple have a very successful advertising campaign that's just begging to be spoofed. I like the idea of net-distributed ads targeted at programmers. These could be hyped in Slashdot-like circles even before GTA02 is out and before the software is mature - the idea is to attract hackers. Black background. Things come on screen in their unpolished current state, glitches and all. Lines in quotes are voiceovers. This is turning it on. We see Tux and initscript messages scrolling down the screen. This is the internet. Show browser displaying Slashdot or kernel.org or something. This is your music... Show terminal with: cd /home/bob/multimedia/music ls They Might Be Giants The White Stripes The Red Hot Chili Peppers The Killers [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the package manager . . . Show package manager displaying pending updates. . . . that installs the updates . . . User selects an update and clicks Install. . . . that you write for your Neo. Incoming call interrupts package manager, call is taken. Female voice from phone: Hey there. Fade to black, display centered text FIC Neo1973 + OpenMoko Get your hack on. That's my idea for a commercial which calls the iPhone commercials to mind, but which are targeted at a different audience and don't raise expectations unreasonably high! Cheers, Ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:59:27 -0500 Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool idea. I think we should get the press machine turning on the inside, and then set it loose when the Phase 2 is released and ready for prime time. I like the idea of net-distributed ads targeted at programmers. These could be hyped in Slashdot-like circles even before GTA02 is out and before the software is mature - the idea is to attract hackers. Black background. Things come on screen in their unpolished current state, glitches and all. Lines in quotes are voiceovers. This is turning it on. We see Tux and initscript messages scrolling down the screen. This is the internet. Show browser displaying Slashdot or kernel.org or something. This is your music... Show terminal with: cd /home/bob/multimedia/music ls They Might Be Giants The White Stripes The Red Hot Chili Peppers The Killers [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the package manager . . . Show package manager displaying pending updates. . . . that installs the updates . . . User selects an update and clicks Install. . . . that you write for your Neo. Incoming call interrupts package manager, call is taken. Female voice from phone: Hey there. Fade to black, display centered text FIC Neo1973 + OpenMoko Get your hack on. That's my idea for a commercial which calls the iPhone commercials to mind, but which are targeted at a different audience and don't raise expectations unreasonably high! Cheers, Ryan Sweet idea, but maybe we should come up with something that isn't an obvious spoof too. -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89) Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Advertising/hype
This puts me in mind of this is the house that jack built: This is the phone that you built. This is the OS running on the phone that you built. This is the browser running on the OS on the phone that you built... Not sure if that's what you were referring to, as I haven't seen the ads in question. -Nick On 7/2/07, Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Black background. Things come on screen in their unpolished current state, glitches and all. Lines in quotes are voiceovers. This is turning it on. We see Tux and initscript messages scrolling down the screen. This is the internet. Show browser displaying Slashdot or kernel.org or something. This is your music... Show terminal with: cd /home/bob/multimedia/music ls They Might Be Giants The White Stripes The Red Hot Chili Peppers The Killers [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the package manager . . . Show package manager displaying pending updates. . . . that installs the updates . . . User selects an update and clicks Install. . . . that you write for your Neo. Incoming call interrupts package manager, call is taken. Female voice from phone: Hey there. Fade to black, display centered text FIC Neo1973 + OpenMoko Get your hack on. That's my idea for a commercial which calls the iPhone commercials to mind, but which are targeted at a different audience and don't raise expectations unreasonably high! Cheers, Ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Bzzz lets not get too carried away - are the Neo's going to have te gps locations of every cinema globally - nope then lets get realistic about what it can and cant do. Nothing kills a product like overhypeor has someone written code for a Neo to make me Eggs Benedict in the mornings? Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederic Kettelhoit Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2007 6:40 PM To: community Subject: Advertising/hype Annother possible scenario: Neo: Hi, I'm an Neo. iPhone: And I'm an iPhone. * iPhone looks on a big map and tries to orientate himself Neo: What are you doing? iPhone: I try to locate myself by using Google Maps. Neo: Oh, that doesn't seem to be very exciting. I use GPS for that kind of stuff. Works automatically. iPhone: GPS, yeah? Neo: Yes. Oh, wait, I'm entering the cinema. I think, it's better for me, to switch to stand-by now. See you after the movie. iPhone: Oh, bye. * Neo leaves, iPhone looks on the map again. iPhone: Oh, here we are! Finally... You see, I'm not very good in writing scripts, I hope you can understand, what I mean. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Frederic Kettelhoit wrote: Annother possible scenario: Neo: Hi, I'm an Neo. iPhone: And I'm an iPhone. * iPhone looks on a big map and tries to orientate himself Neo: What are you doing? iPhone: I try to locate myself by using Google Maps. Neo: Oh, that doesn't seem to be very exciting. I use GPS for that kind of stuff. Works automatically. iPhone: GPS, yeah? Neo: Yes. Oh, wait, I'm entering the cinema. I think, it's better for me, to switch to stand-by now. See you after the movie. iPhone: Oh, bye. * Neo leaves, iPhone looks on the map again. iPhone: Oh, here we are! Finally... Change the last line to * iPhone wanders off, looking lost and confused. :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 7/2/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic about what it can and cant do. As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest data like that isn't as hard as you might think. The main problem would be that you're not going to have GPS reception indoors, so you won't neccessarially know when you're entering a cinema. :) -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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That was exactly the example one of the german developer used to explain the gps in a german podcast (I think it was Harald Welte in conversation with Chaos Radio). The idea is, that you save some points and adds information what to do there. So, a few meters around the cinema, the Neo switchtes to stand-by. Or if you are at school, it doesn't make any sounds. So, I think, it is quite realistic. P.S.: I hope I posted it now right after creating a new thread every time before... On 7/2/07, Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/2/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic about what it can and cant do. As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest data like that isn't as hard as you might think. The main problem would be that you're not going to have GPS reception indoors, so you won't neccessarially know when you're entering a cinema. :) -Nick Johnson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Nick Johnson wrote: On 7/2/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic about what it can and cant do. As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest data like that isn't as hard as you might think. The main problem would be that you're not going to have GPS reception indoors, so you won't neccessarially know when you're entering a cinema. :) you'd be surprised at what recent (sirfstar III) receivers can tell you. last time, I could make up the aisles in the supermarket... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Kind of OT, but on the GPS thought... one thing it could do is map WiFi hotspots to GPS coordinates automatically as you walk / drive around. That way, for example, you could solve that problem of not being able to easily find WiFi hotspots (which is the big thing against WiFi right now), since you could just pull out the device and ask it where the nearest open hotspot is. (Boom! There's one). As for point of interest stuff... I don't think it would be too painful to have an address book that also has GPS coordinates for your addresses, with a little set to current location button that would tell the device that said coordinates are said address. (And then the addresses could have tags, such as Theatre, that the device could act on automatically). Bye, -Dylan McCall On 7/1/07, Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Johnson wrote: On 7/2/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic about what it can and cant do. As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest data like that isn't as hard as you might think. The main problem would be that you're not going to have GPS reception indoors, so you won't neccessarially know when you're entering a cinema. :) you'd be surprised at what recent (sirfstar III) receivers can tell you. last time, I could make up the aisles in the supermarket... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
