2 beginner questions
I just got my neo 1973 by mail today and I will try to flash the image and load rootfs sometime in the evening. Just had a couple of questions as i am new here. 1. Is there a place where the latest tested image and rootfs is available for download. the wiki links to a number of files and one is not sure which image matches the rootfs. 2. When I have connected the usb cable to a powered usb port and the neo is switched off is it charging (there is no indicator) thanks Rakshat PS i am going through the wiki but if there is a forum where these questions have already been answered please guide me there so i don't mail the entire list every time. On 11/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send community mailing list submissions to community@lists.openmoko.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of community digest... Today's Topics: 1. Community Update GPS comments... (Paul Breed) -- Forwarded message -- From: Paul Breed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:27:44 -0700 Subject: Community Update GPS comments... At the lowest level GPS runs hardware ranges or time offsets from each satellite. This does not directly give you a position. Some significant spherical trig is necessary to turn this into position. A lot of (AGPS) phones only have that hardware and rely on some system software (maybe not even on the phone) to turn that into a location. It makes a lot of sense that if you have a powerful CPU you don;t need to add another powerful CPU to turn this GPS base band info into PVT (position velocity and time). The second issue with GPS is that if you are going to take raw data and generate PVT then you have to do the GPS limitations that keep the system from being a ballistic missile guidance system IE you cant report position if altitude 60K ft and velocity 1000 knots or some such. So if you plan to sell such hardware in the US then unless it has these limits encoded in a way that is not trivial to defeat it become a ITAR controlled munition. It sounds like the origional GTA01 used a standard phone AGPS that does not directly calculate position, a great technical solution, but it does not work in real partical US political world with the ITAR GPS restrictions. for details on what it takes to calculate position from the raw data see: http://home-2.worldonline.nl/~samsvl/software.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 52, Issue 11
The product page still says that it is quad band http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html I think they will make the 850 version for the us market though I would prefer an operational quad band neo 1973 finally (as in 2008 atleast) Rakshat On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:37:39 -0800, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to add to the fire on this one, but no 850 is a definite deal breaker. No quad-band is a serious limitation, as it has been marketed since inception as a quad-band phone. I see now that the openmoko.com page has been updated to state that it is a tri-band phone, not a quad-band phone - last night it clearly stated quad band. I just wish this had been clearly identified 3 or 4 months ago. -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wiki page for users wanting to sell Neo because of 850 band problem
I have just set up the following page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/US_850_band_users_wanting_to_sell_Neo Hope it helps people to get in touch with potential buyers in other parts of the world where this is not an issue and get some return on their investment. Rakshat PS - I have no connection with openmoko or FIC, just trying to be helpful here. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions
1) Are there any working hacks for getting FM radio reception on the neo 1973? Even the $35 (total for the unlocked phone that will work with any network) Nokia phones have FM reception in india. This is a must have option for the Neo to sell in India. Most phones use the earplug cable assembly as their radio antenna. Is is possible to do that in the neo? 2) Will the GTA02 phone have the speaker phone option or is getting call sound on the speakers something that can be done by editing config files in openmoko? 3) Is it theoretically possible to print by directly connecting the printer to the phone if the printer drivers are avaliable (at least text files) 4) If someone writes a faxing application for openmoko should it not be possible to use the phone as a mobile fax sending and recieving unit? Thanks Rakshat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Moved page for those interested in second hand Neos
I have moved the wiki page for those interested in buying a second hand Neo to- http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Interested_in_second_hand_neo The page for users wanting to sell their GTA01 devices remains at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/US_850_band_users_wanting_to_sell_Neo Regards, Rakshat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openmoko on the Nokia N810
This may be a stupid question but is it theoretically possible run openmoko on a Nokia Internet tablet? I don't know what processor the Nokia N810 uses. I do know that you can flash with images from maemo.org Rakshat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:
Hi, Just wanted to inquire if anyone on this list has managed to get poky linux and sato to work with the Neo 1973. thanks in advance Rakshat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo fast charge utility
I just saw this project on the open moko projects page http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/thunder/ It is a fast charge utility that allows the neo to fast charge with an AC -USB adaptor that can give a 500 Mil Amp output. Has any member manage to test it out yet? Thanks Rakshat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA02 processor speed
Gizmodo quotes an Open Moko press release and mentions that the GTA02 has a 500 MHz processor - http://gizmodo.com/339965/openmoko-launches-neo-freerunner-open+source-smartphone-for-the-masses Maintaining the overall look and feel of the developers' Neo 1973, the Neo FreeRunner features hardware improvements such as 2D/3D graphics and a faster 500MHz processor that boosts performance to enable video and audio processing, as well as a new generation of mobile applications emerging from the open source community. On the other hand the Open Moko wiki mentions that the GTA02 uses the Samsung S3C2442B chip capable of 400 MHz. Has the chip been overclocked or the info on the wiki is wrong and needs to be updated? Rakshat On Jan 3, 2008 4:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send community mailing list submissions to community@lists.openmoko.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of community digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Neo fast charge utility (Nick Guenther) 2. Re: Community update, January 2, 2008 (Mike Montour) 3. Re: Community update, January 2, 2008 (Gabriel Ambuehl) 4. Re: Neo fast charge utility (Lorn Potter) -- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 02:44:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Neo fast charge utility On Jan 2, 2008 11:57 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Guenther wrote: Hijacking a bit: for the record, all thunder does is write fast_cccv or closed to /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode depending on what mode you want, and wrap that up in a nice OM GUI. Any hope for a qtopia version? I can make a script that switches to fast charge mode that will go in the devtools entry. Awesome. Can you have slow charge and no charge (I think that's the whole list, right?) options too? Where are devtools scripts stored? I tried find(1)ing a bit but failed. I was going to ask for a way to get to a terminal in QTopia (maybe a port of elsewhere), but if I can write a script and add it to devtools at will that might be just as good--better in some ways. -Nick -- Forwarded message -- From: Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:34:03 -0800 Subject: Re: Community update, January 2, 2008 Thank you for the update. When do you expect to have results from the 850-MHz GTA01 testing? -- Forwarded message -- From: Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:23:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Community update, January 2, 2008 On Thursday 03 January 2008 05:51:06 Michael Shiloh wrote: Hello everyone, Next week at CES we will formally preview GTA02 to the public. We are doing this at an invitation-only media event, and not the general show floor. Any chance to see a video of that event? Maybe even in decent (i.e. better than Youtube :) quality? Great news in any case! -- Forwarded message -- From: Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:38:33 +1000 Subject: Re: Neo fast charge utility Nick Guenther wrote: On Jan 2, 2008 11:57 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Guenther wrote: Hijacking a bit: for the record, all thunder does is write fast_cccv or closed to /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode depending on what mode you want, and wrap that up in a nice OM GUI. Any hope for a qtopia version? I can make a script that switches to fast charge mode that will go in the devtools entry. Awesome. Can you have slow charge and no charge (I think that's the whole list, right?) options too? I will see what I can do Where are devtools scripts stored? I tried find(1)ing a bit but failed. I was going to ask for a way to get to a terminal in QTopia (maybe a port of elsewhere), but if I can write a script and add it to devtools at will that might be just as good--better in some ways. The devtools entry is a special one created at compile time. When you 'make install' Qtopia, .desktop file(s) get read and the information gets stored in the database, as opposed to being on the filesystem. There is a semi-ported terminal in the opieII sources. It needs much work (ie.e compiles but does not run). Or, probably a better option, is taking the kde konsole sources, and porting them
Power Management on Neo1973
Hi, I have been following the improving power management conversation on the IRC logs and on this list but am still not clear if it is only a software problem (suspend issues, devices not shutting off when being closed etc.)or there are Major hardware issues involved (I am talking about the Gta1 devices not FreeRunner). Could someone from OM or FIC clarify this? I have got calling and sms working pretty well (as in perfectly) for me when using the qtopia image and if power management improved this could easily become my only phone. Thanks Rakshat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
quantum step on Neo
I just saw the following link. http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=OpenMoko-Editionreferer=About According to this it seems that it is possible to at least boot quantum step on the Neo. Anyone know if the PIM applications on quantum step are usable on the the Neo. I currently use Ubuntu to connect with my Neo but I do have a mac book and if the quantum step PIM can sync with the mac it would be great. Rakshat P S - sorry if this is old news/ has been covered on the list. I just noticed it today. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo GTA01 sold out?
Hi, Just checking if all Neo 1973 basic kits been sold out. Will more devices be made avaliable? Rakshat On Jan 29, 2008 2:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send community mailing list submissions to community@lists.openmoko.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of community digest... Today's Topics: 1. Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy (Patrick Davila) 2. Openmoko - opportunity to have collective community server side assistance (JW) 3. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy ( Thomas Gst?dtner ) 4. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy (Tilman Baumann) 5. Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy (Jeffrey Thomas) 6. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 (Michael Shiloh) 7. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 8. Re: Power Management on Neo1973 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Forwarded message -- From: Patrick Davila [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:20:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800 series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe buying Trolltech is cheaper than continually licensing Symbian? Plus they have a hell of lot more control in the direction of Qtopia Qt. Pat -- http://tllts.org/ - The Linux Link Tech Show http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/ - My blog -- Forwarded message -- From: JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:32:58 + (UTC) Subject: Openmoko - opportunity to have collective community server side assistance Hi community right now OM is just getting established but its fun to think ahead :-) articles like this one highlight the role of server side apps to help mobile devices with high load tasks. http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/28/ skyfire-browser-for-windows-mobile-is-game-changing-does-flash/ I am not sure but perhaps their business model is to offer a subscription service to users. we can already see examples of other lower load apps for example thumbtribes (early stage beta see youtube) there are many, many more coming i am sure perhaps whenever you move down a road that is not in OpenStreetMap in the future data will automatically be collected one way the community could help to develop these services is to collectively provide a place for developers to host these services so that they are provided * cheaply * fast * always available * secure/easy login for nominated developers * funded by donation? the advantages of having this all on OpenMokoServer will really draw the community together I think JW -- Forwarded message -- From: Thomas Gstädtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy About 50% of Symbian are owned by Nokia. On 1/28/08, Patrick Davila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800 series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe buying Trolltech is cheaper than continually licensing Symbian? Plus they have a hell of lot more control in the direction of Qtopia Qt. Pat -- http://tllts.org/ - The Linux Link Tech Show http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/blog/ - My blog ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Forwarded message -- From: Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:22:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Nokia to acquire Trolltech to accelerate software strategy Patrick Davila wrote: I think the whole point of this takeover is Qtopia. Yes, the Nokia N800 series internet tablet uses Maemo (based on gtk). Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of Nokia's cell phones running Symbian? Maybe buying Trolltech is cheaper than continually licensing Symbian? Maybe not. But it's way more modern and flexible. *g* There are versions of symbian out
Re: wiki editing suggestion
The wikimedia engine already creates a categories page. This is very much like a index page (not exactly an index as it only shows pages tagged with that category and not every instance when that text/concept/person/event/item has been reffed to). Maybe you can have a copy of the categories page as the starting point of the index page. My personal opinion is that putting proper category tags, putting improvement/verification/editing reguired tags (a la wikipedia) and improving search would be a better option than restarting with the index page. Rakshat -- Forwarded message -- From: Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:52:53 +0800 Subject: To everybody! Brenda -Full time editor on board Hello everybody: I am Brenda Wang. I'm OpenMoko's full time editor. I was on board on 18, Feb. My job here is editing OpenMoko wiki, and make wiki more organized. Firstly, I will create a page as an Index. The page's name is OPENMOKO WIKI Offical Index Page. It is like a book's Index; then you can find things easily. Please let me know if you have any suggestions or questions. Regard. Brenda Wang ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko on compulab x270em
After a lot of effort I have managed to get hold of a CompuLab X270em evaluation kit and have angstorm (7 jan build downloaded form the compulab website) running on it. It has been discussed earlier on this list that it may be possible to run Openmoko or Qtopia on it. Is that true and can I have some pointers on how to go about doing that. Thanks Rakshat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
video/graphics on GTA02
I was going through the hardware specs of the GTA02 once again and was wondering about the possible performance improvements because of the faster processor and the smedia graphics chip. I had three specific questions - 1) will 30 fps VGA res playback be possible? 2) will it be possible to have 2d transition effects (like MAC OS/ Vista) be possible on the GUI without noticiable wait times. 3) Is any form of 3D acceleration support possible in the future for games? I feel that the VGA screen is the feature distinguisher that the FreeRunner has and the graphics should make full use of it. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
new main page of our wiki
Please remove the black from the tables. its very tough to read the page with strong colours. Otherwise its nice. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko Freerunner sales in India
My company is in the process of negotiating to import a large quantity of Freerunners for resale in India. We are offering a substantial rebate on the first 40 units we sell (our first batch is 50 units and we are keeping 10 in-house to provide for warranty and testing). Interested parties please contact me off-list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am hoping that the first 40 users will be willing to provide us feedback so we may be able to judge future import quantities orders. Thanks Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openmoko sales in India
Hi Shakti The discounter price for the first 40 single orders is Rs 15399/-. (USD 388 at a dollar of 39.7 - we pay a surcharge over that to the bank when we buy the dollars). And we are including shipping, customs and taxes and warrenty in this price. This is a loss making price for idasystems but we want feedback from the first 40 buyers to make sure it works on all Indian GSM networks, provide gprs scripts for all the providers etc. The prices you are quoting are from the unupdated website (when the Freerunner was expected to be priced at USD 450 not 399. You many need to refresh the page or clear the browser cashe. We will announce the final market price once we have negotiated our bulk order purchase with openmoko. Thanks Rakshat -- Forwarded message -- From: Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:41:20 +0530 Subject: Re: Openmoko Freerunner sales in India Hi, --- On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:25 AM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | We are offering a substantial rebate on the \-- Your MRP is INR 24990 (USD 629 @ 1 USD == INR 39.7). The web order mentions INR 21900 after rebate (USD 551): http://idasystems.net/order It doesn't mention about debug board. That is so pricey even without the debug board! SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner Sale Price in India
Ida Systems Pvt Ltd will be reselling the Neo Freerunner in India. After careful consideration the the Retail Price in India has been fixed at Rs 2/-. This includes all taxes, shipping to your address, 30 days return and one year warranty. We are hoping to be able to ship the Freerunners to customers by end May. For more information please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are still a few slots left in our inaugural offer for the first 40 orders of [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15399/-. Please mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to pre-book and avail the offer. Thanks Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko
Shakthi, I have been using GTA01 (Neo 1973) my main phone for some time and felt that at its price point (under INR 12000 for GSM and GPS and VGA display) it would make a great phone for the Indian market. Unfortunately with its power draining problems (I carry 2 spare batteries in my pocket) it can not be mass produced (My initial email to Micheal was about reselling the GTA01 in India). Anyway the good part is that the Openmoko and Qtopia software is GPL and porting these to a GSM only hardware should be considerably easier than writing a new GSM stack! We have plans get it to run on the CompuLab X270em board but thats kind of stalled at the moment. If that works out one can bring out GSM only, GSM+GPS, GSM+WiFi and GSM+GPS+WiFi versions of a phone running Openmoko. Maybe after the success of the Freerunner (I am quite confident on that as I have seen the software really improving over the last 6 months and the price point is pretty decent too) Openmoko themselves may consider bringing out a lower spec cheaper version. Right now I think it would be best to support the Openmoko endevour and try and make the Freerunner a great success, both at the market and as a philosphy. Rakshat -- Forwarded message -- From: Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:53:15 +0530 Subject: Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko Hi, --- On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Harry Tsai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I am so glad to introduce Mr.Rakshat to you all, actually they are our | first partner in India market, if you are developer come from India that you | can buy Freerunner from him directly for reduce your shipping cot and | customs process effort. \-- I would like to thank you guys for this initiative. It greatly eases our shipping+customs+tax import issues. Yes, I have made my order :) I just have one request. If you guys can strip the current model to just have 1. a GSM (say INR 5k, or USD 125) , or 2. a model with GSM+GPS (with a reduced price, of course), it will be extremely useful for the mass market in India. I would assume the GSM takes one-fourth of the total price of the product. Not sure what is the proportion of the GPS component. INR 20k (with four RF components) is quite affordable to most people working in the Industry here in India, but, a basic, customizable phone would be really something that will be usable, and affordable for the masses. Just my thoughts, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
update - India sale of Freerunner
A big thank you for all those who pre-booked the Freerunner at the highly discounted price of INR 15399/-. All the discounted slots are now full and the Freerunner can now only be booked form our website at the actual retail price of INR 20,000/- inclusive of shipping and all taxes. (In case there are any cancellations by the discounted price buyers we will offer it to the next customer on a first come first serve booking basis.) Those who have booked will be receiving an update about their expected shipping date in the next few days. We do realise that there are students and developers out there in India who would appreciate a discount on the Freerunner. We plan to offer a discount for these categories in the future (write to me - rakshat at idasystems.netfor more info on this) but at the moment we need to sell the Freerunner at a price that is commercially viable for us. We also received a few queries from outside India. At the moment Ida is not shipping the Freerunner outside India but I will look into it Thanks once again Rakshat www.idasystems.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Just to clarify the Rs 2/- price in India includes shipping to your address in India, customs and VAT duties, a 30 days return policy (We added to the Openmoko DOA return policy at our own risk as we want the initial lots of phones to go to people who are aware that the software needs polishing and are comfortable using the phone; this is something that no other phone company is offering in India though is a norm abroad) and a one year warranty ( we are again keeping 5% of our stock in reserve to deal with warranty returns that can not be repaired that adds to our costs). Keeping the above in mind Rs 2/- looks like a reasonable price. On another note I have used the GTA01 as my main phone for some time and on qtopia and (as far as I know) on mwester's suspend resume worked kernel I don't get calls that don't wake up suspend as long as I do a full shut down and boot up every morning. Battery life is a problem (5-6 hours if you talk a lot or dont talk at all) but I keep a spare battery and almost always am near a wall socket, car or computer (HTC Universal chargers seem to work for me - not too sure if fast charge is actually enabled but the phone charges up). Rakshat www.idasystems.net -- Forwarded message -- From: Kunal Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:43:22 +0530 Subject: Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date Hi, I am located in India, and I have decided to go for Free-runner. But, I am really wondering about why this phone is so costly? Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India later this year. This phone is likely to be priced much cheaper than free-runner (free-runner is currently available for $500 in India). Also, it looks to me that iPhone has much more features (it has 8 GB memory - I could not see similar in Free-runner). On a plus side, iPhone is fully tested. Their is official performance rating for each feature. Why is the Free-runner cost so high? With open-source development, the cost of devices should in fact come down (that is my thinking - correct me if I am wrong). At least be at par with the commercial products. Is the high cost due to the low volume production? Or something related to the location of production units? If the cost is high because of above (or similar) factors, I assume that costs will come down in long run. In such a scenario, does any one have a (rough) idea about what the final (appx) costs would be? Will it be any better than the commercial products? My interest in openMoko is purely from a developer's point of view (I guess every one currently using it is has similar interests). And the reason why I want to participate in open source development is that I want technology to proliferate and become affordable to the common masses. If this objective is not going to be satisfied, I am going to feel a bit dis-appointed with the loss of time which I spend on my efforts. Also, I really find the Free-runner too expensive just for the development purpose. I am hoping that if I can use it as my cell-phone, I can feel a little better. In case the phone is not practically usable (very poor battery performance, or loosing networks, going to infinite sleep etc), that will add to dis-appointment too. Another possibility - is it that Free-runner is much beyond iPhone in feature list (which I have failed to capture)? Regards, Kunal Singh www.singhkunal.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
India Sale update - Ida Systems
Two Points - 1. We will have Freerunner Debug boards available for sale. The price will be Rs 7000/- inclusive of all taxes and shipping (custom duties are the main reason for the difference between $ and Rs price but we do provide a return policy). Our website (www.idasystems) will be updated soon with more information regarding this. 2. Based on feedback we have started accepting direct bank transfers for payment along with Cheques and Demand Drafts. Details are at http://www.idasystems.net/order Thank you all once again for the number of queries and feedback we are getting regarding the Neo Freerunner Rakshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.idasystems.net -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
porting OM on CompuLab X270em - volunteer wanted
We have a CompuLab X 270em evaluation kit along with 8 months support contract remaining lying at our office. see - http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm http://www.compulab.co.il/all-products/html/eval-kits.htm#X270EM-EVAL We had got the board with the purpose of trying to get the Openmoko phone stack working on the hardware (it already runs Angstorm Linux). Due to constraints at our end (main developer leaving and the company focusing on other things) we are not able to carry the work forward. We are looking for a volunteer or group who may wish to seriously carry the work forward. We will ship the evaluation kit free of cost to him/ her and list them with CompuLab as the developers availing of the support contract as long as we know the person is very seriously interested in getting Openmoko to work on the hardware and wiling to give periodic public updates of their work. The board will remain the property of Ida Systems and we may want it back after the 8 months. Interested people/ groups please email me off list on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qtopia Vs. GTK or both?
I am not to sure how many people have seen the Neo software stack diagram on the wiki but after looking at it there really should not be a GTK Vs Qtopia argument any more. But I do wonder how Android fits in? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoSoftwareStack Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
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QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost) since we'e going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewer pixels you have to fill, the better for speed. i'm really tossing up if the speed of qvga is worth the loss of resolution. i'm just not sure. I have a Sharp 903 with qvga, 2.4 inch, Nokia N95 with qvga, 2.4 inch and the Neo 1973 with VGA, 2.8 inch. By far the best screen for reading is the Sharp one. On closer examination you can see pixels which you dont on the Neo but the display just feels better, crisper and better on the eyes. When you view higher res photos the Neo display seems better but not by much. The N95 is also good when you look at it on its own and one has no problems reading anything but when kept next to the Neo 1973 and Sharp 903 one can tell the display is not in the same league. (the Sharp is also visible in the sun though I dont think its trans-reflective) The point I am trying to make is that the quality of LCM being used matters as much as qvga or vga. Qvga is sufficient for almost all needs on a mobile phone size device and would be great if it provides cost and speed improvements. But it has to be a really good quality QVGA. Personally I love the resolution and form factor of the PSP Slim LCM and would love to see something similar on GTA0X. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: resolution preferences??
The difference between the VGA screen of the Neo and the QVGA screens I have are very clear to me (with the VGA being clearly superior) when kept side by side. But for most of my activities including reading long emails the QVGA resolution is enough. So unless we have the processing power to run at least 25 FPS VGA video, I would be happy with a QVGA as there is bound to be a price and performance improvement. Rakshat On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:09 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:02:14 -0400 Steven Milburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: This question is probably just because I misunderstood something you said before, but I'll ask anyway :) If it is acceptable to use QVGA, couldn't that basically be done without any hardware changes? I believe I remember you saying the glamo does scaling, so couldn't you let SW treat the display as qvga, and just have the glamo scale it up? Or, is the question more about having qvga instead of the glamo (which leaves you back with the SDIO interface shortage)? we can just drive the vga screen at qvga. no need for scaling - just change the output at the lcd controller level. but it is a waste to pay for a vga screen when we won't use it. also it does look blocky. it isn't about glamo or not - it's separate to glamo entirely. simply - how important is a vga screen... really? how many people out there can really see the difference? be really honest. stop thinking my specs are bigger than your specs. scan u REALLY see all the pixels on a vga screen of that size. i bet to most people its all a blur - a qvga screen looks identical to them. only to a minority who have very good eyesight does it really make a difference, but this is just my bet. i'm asking the question - and hoping for real honest answers. --Steve On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:42 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:50:43 +0200 Marc Bantle [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost) since we'e going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewer pixels you have to fill, the better for speed. i'm really tossing up if the speed of qvga is worth the loss of resolution. i'm just not sure. Would that be 320x240 (QVGA [1]) or 480x320? qvga is 320x240. wqvga... that's a whole world of resolutions (400x240, 432x240, 480x272, 480x320). :) I think the latter would be acceptable in terms of usability. OTOH it would also but it's not a drop-in replacement as its widescreen. we c ould go for 2.8 vga or 2.8 qvga. drop-in replacement. anything else mans new case/design etc. etc. also remember just getting supply of a screen is hard. you also need it at a decent physical size. i'm asking the question if going down to a (relatively) low resolution screen would be an ok compromise. - create extra maintenance cost for system and app themes one way or another we will need to be able to do multiple resolutions in the long-run. - narrow on-screen information for people with good eye-sight (granny won't be affected ;-) Sofar I haven't suffered from lacking graphic speed on my GTA01. It seemed that waiting for UI feedback was mainly cause by other background processes (e.g. SD-read or such) My interest are standard smartphone and geo apps and for those I'd rather go for resolution. again - it depends what you want to do. :) gta01 actually performance better in many ways graphically :) -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
I agree with you that the VGA screen is very important for marketing the Freerunner - other comparable smartphones dont have that feature and are certainly no where near in terms of DPI. I am also assuming that OM wont discontinue the GTA02 (Freerunner) when GTA03 comes out. So mass market customers will have the choice of the VGA screen and at a cheaper price the QVGA screeen+camera. It helps OM as they have two distinct phones available on the same platform, consumers have choice and resellers have two models at two different price points. But one question that needs to be answered is - what is the cost saving of using a QVGA screen. It has to be significant to consider this option. Rakshat On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, reducing any Openmoko device to QVGA will be the end of the Openmoko project. And I have business reasons to wish that OM survives... There are plenty of QVGA designs out there and I even have an offer and a sample of a Linux smartphone at half the price of the OM. It works, has 90g, Quadband, and an integrated stylus. But QVGA. This makes the difference. I have shown a QVGA Acer n30 and the VGA Neo on FOSDEM and LinuxTag to the public. Everybody considered the VGA as better although the Acer is approx. 30% faster (because it has less rendering to do). So, where would be the uniqueness of OM devices? The average mass market customer doesn't care about full openness. Please consider basic rules of marketing. And, consider purchasing a Device Feature Roadmap from Strategy Analytics (they are really good) and ask what the percentage prediction for VGA vs. QVGA is for 2009. They are good in predictions because they look into the roadmaps of the component manufacturers. http://www.strategyanalytics.com/default.aspx?mod=NavigationHeadera0=42 - *Tracking 30+ enabling technologies *in the mobile devices market and provides analytical views on the major issues likely to drive or hinder diffusion of these technologies into the global wireless devices markets. The WDS service was first to market with a quarterly camera phone analysis and market share, and has extended that leadership position on technologies including WLAN, digital TV, CMOS and CCD cameras, Operating Systems and software, removable storage media, GPS, and other wireless connectivity technologies like Zigbee, NFC, and USB. - *Device Feature Roadmaps and evolution *across key global markets. Research in this area includes analysis of feature phone evolution with forecasts by device type; device vendor share by device type; device segmentation analysis by ASP tier, with forecasts; extended analysis of ultra-low handset diffusion drivers and forecasts; and in-depth analysis of key device types, i.e. TV enabled handsets and MP3/music enabled devices. http://www.strategyanalytics.com/default.aspx?mod=ReportAbstractViewera0=3736 http://www.strategyanalytics.com/default.aspx?mod=ReportAbstractViewera0=3899 Nikolaus Am 05.06.2008 um 14:32 schrieb rakshat hooja: quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost) since we'e going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewer pixels you have to fill, the better for speed. i'm really tossing up if the speed of qvga is worth the loss of resolution. i'm just not sure. I have a Sharp 903 with qvga, 2.4 inch, Nokia N95 with qvga, 2.4 inch and the Neo 1973 with VGA, 2.8 inch. By far the best screen for reading is the Sharp one. On closer examination you can see pixels which you dont on the Neo but the display just feels better, crisper and better on the eyes. When you view higher res photos the Neo display seems better but not by much. The N95 is also good when you look at it on its own and one has no problems reading anything but when kept next to the Neo 1973 and Sharp 903 one can tell the display is not in the same league. (the Sharp is also visible in the sun though I dont think its trans-reflective) The point I am trying to make is that the quality of LCM being used matters as much as qvga or vga. Qvga is sufficient for almost all needs on a mobile phone size device and would be great if it provides cost and speed improvements. But it has to be a really good quality QVGA. Personally I love the resolution and form factor of the PSP Slim LCM and would love to see something similar on GTA0X. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo
From what I remember of the of the discussions of video playback on the freerunner on the list, plans are there to offer default video playback in QVGA mode in the polished software as it is more practical on the current hardware. Also I may be wrong on this but it should not be impossible for an application to change resolutions to its preset values when it is launched or even offer a resolution configuration option. Rakshat Carsten, There is any posibility to change the screen resolution without reboot? If we can do so we can dinamically change it to got the best of two worlds, a high resolution for almost statical screens to webbrowsing, doc editing, picture viewing, an a low resolution to mame, video playback(?), and anything else doesn't fit on high res. It can be done? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: resolution preferences??
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:07 PM, NeoSleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, if the freerunner did not have VGA screen but QVGA, I would not buy it ! But the freerunner does have a VGA screen and as per information in Steve's email mass production is about to start/ has started. The debate is for the GTA03 device that, I believe, will be sold along with the freerunner and not as its replacement/ next generation (thats GTA04 - where I wish for WVGA if not SVGA!) People who want VGA can buy the Freerunner (GTA02) and who wish to pay less can get GTA03 with QVGA with faster performance. This is good as it will provide more choices on the OM phone stack and lead to the creation of a QVGA gui (along with a VGA gui) that will make it easier for OM to be ported to a number of existing devices also. Remember Openmoko is not just about having a cool device to show off to peers but also about opening up the mobile computing world and more the OM phone stack is used the better. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
it will be better - of course. what' i'm baffled about is why all of a sudden here a lot of excellent vision gifted people turn up, whereas in real life i never see them... :) -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its just that the excellent vision gifted people are very vocal about VGA because the improvement is very clear to them (including me - and is this not the question you had asked). I would also like to change my vote to VGA if it is easy enough switch between QVGA and VGA resolutions. I was earlier willing to sacrifice resolution for speedy performance but I am ok if I can have the QVGA GUI for speed when I want it and the higher resolution rest of the time. rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC project status: Speech Recognition facility in open moko
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So wouldn't it be a main problem if we change the main applications like the Dialer, the contacts etc? for example from GTK to Qtopia? other way round or anything else? AFAIK If you have all the libraries it should not be a major problem in theory, though contacts stored in evolution-GTK will not be compatible with the sqlite database of Qtopia. there may be other similar problams where you will need to manually change paths etc. rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is case design changing for GTA03?
We also got a camera on GTA03. cheers jOERG Any specs of the camera. Please go for good quality optics and maybe 3x optical zoom (the neo is thick enough i guess :-) rather that higher mega pixels on a cheap sensor. Except for the SE K750/800/850i series and Nokia N95 series (and some Japanese phones like my Sharp 903) I have not seen a camera phone where the photos are usable when transfered to the computer or printed. In most cases the camera is just there to add a feature to feed the public coolness factor so the price can be increased. Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
latest stable rootfs and kernel
A request - can anyone identify the latest stable kernel and rootfs (ASU and GTK) for the Freerunner and Neo 1973. I have trying them from 10 june backwards and almost all of them crash after booting or cannot make phone calls. thanks Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
as i have said before - gta03 is vga - as it stands, but can go to qvga easily, but is unlikely to. in the future who knows. it'd be a tradeoff of screen pixel count vs processor speed vs any graphics acceleration we can get - if any. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Carsten, There was a WQVGA screen you once mentioned on the IRC and said you liked a lot for the GTA04 screen. I can't remember the specs right now but do you remember which one it was? Rakshat PS but i am being shown designs wanted that REQUIRE compositing - REQUIRE alpha blending and all that snazz. Can compositing and alpha bending be done at QVGA by the glamo? -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No 3G for GTA03, 2G/EDGE only?
Maybe this was a typo, but are you saying that the current plan is to ditch the existing GSM subsystem yet replace it with a modem that can't even handle 3G? That sounds crazy! Think of GTA03 as the with camera variation of Freerunner . GTA04 most prob will have 3G and hopefully other feature upgrades. Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
3 480x272. it's thinner than the current vga 2.8 by a fair bit and a tiny bit longer (as it is wide). it seems almost the perfect screen for a smaller/slimmer model like gta04/05 etc. same # of pixels as the PSP screen, but in a much smaller space. http://www.firefox.com Good enough for me if this gives faster performance :-). Need to check for visibility in light and if that is better that the current VGA I vote for this for the GTA04. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price
No, it won't make the Moko more expensive. You pay through the nose for it because you HAVETO sign up for a 2 year contract minimum. The iPhone is AT LEAST twice as expensive as the Moko. In other words, if the Moko came with a 2 year contract it would basically be free. Please actually compare apples to apples. - Rob I don't know where my NDA stands on this. (I dont have the signed copy back yet and I guess i wont be posting any more on this once I get it:-) I discussed with a carrier in India and they were as the first offer willing to offer unlimitid data on GPRS/Edge and free incomming for *one year* for about $70 (more than half their normal rate) if their connection is sold with the Freerunner. So a more logical comparison (if you have to compare prices) would be *Freerunner at $539 with two year unlimited data connection with the cost of the I-phone+2 years unlimited data only connection* (I am not aware of the prices as the I-phone plan pricing has not been announced in my country) Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 04:47, rakshat hooja wrote: I don't know where my NDA stands on this. (I dont have the signed copy back yet and I guess i wont be posting any more on this once I get it:-) I discussed with a carrier in India and they were as the first offer willing to offer unlimitid data on GPRS/Edge and free incomming for *one year* for about $70 (more than half their normal rate) if their connection is sold with the Freerunner. Sounds like you got stuck with the crappy US model contract. AFAIK it's only the USA (and now India) where you pay to *receive* calls as well as make them. Perhaps we're 'lucky' in Europe where inbound calls cost the callee nothing.. Andy / ScaredyCat No all incoming calls are free in India and most handsets are sold without contract. This is a pay as you go (or prepaid) sim where they are willing to offer India Rupees 250/per month (1 USD=43 Indian rupees) for unlimited data and you can buy voice minuets as you like. what i meant by free incoming was that the sim will remain active for one year even if you dont buy any minuets at all and you can continue to receive free incoming calls for the entire year. The normal rate for unlimited data plan is between Indian Rupees Rs395-495 + a basic rental of your contract (ranging between Rs 200 - 400 for normal users). Outgoing calls cost are extra. The Rs 250/month unlimited data was offered if we bundled their connection with the Freerunners we sold. At the moment we have no intentions of doing that as most of the early buyers form us will be developers but may offer it (or a better deal) as an *option *when mass market software is ready. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Now that you have your phone, what are you doing?
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Breakable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The power management was not good enough, even after the opkg upgrade. Seems not to go into suspend, because the battery gets depleted. Did you change the power settings to dim first and then lock? Thats what enables suspend on the openmoko image. seems to be working fine on my phone. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community contributions to core apps features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: There's apparently no design document saying where ASU (or whatever) is going in terms of features. We don't know who to contact in order to get approval for our concepts before we waste a lot of time on them. I agree with your points and questions and am waiting for answers for Steve but have you seen this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan It is pretty easy to see the ASU features and who to contact. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community contributions to core apps features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)
It is already linked from the front page, but clearly from not those places it should be from :) But you have good points. Openmoko is open, but its development is not exposed in the open as much as I'd like for an open source project to be. The Openmoko folks are still a bit mysterious to me, with the exception of the few who regularly post on these mailing lists. I think the line between Openmoko employee and a contributing, trusted community member should be made more fuzzy. More SVN / GIT rights to the people, more contributing directly to http://svn.openmoko.org/ instead of just external projects at projects.openmoko.org etc. You are right but I think that the problem lies in the fact that Openmoko has not been able to provide any entry point where new people joining the list (after the release of the freerunner) can figure out who and where to ask what question. The Openmoko people are pretty open and if you will ask for something long enough you will get an answer/ access from them. MichaelShiloh of Openmoko used to interface with the community and answer their questions after getting the information from the developers in a regular community update. I think Steve and Michael still do that? Maybe we should have a page on the wiki describing who does what at Openmoko and who to address what question to and also an introductory email for new subscribers listing out similar things. It has been almost an year since I wrote my first email to Openmoko (actually to Sean to which Michael Shiloh replied) I can assure you that Openmoko people try their hardest to be open and responsive to community suggestions/ questions. But often it takes time for the question/ request to reach the correct person who can answer it / respond to it. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzzing on GSM audio
Belgium (JIMmobile) and I also have this problem with the 2007.2 image, with our without wifi or gps there isn't much static on my end, but the volume is quite low the other end also has low volume and when i increase his/her volume they get an echo https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support I have an interesting observation to share. India still has old fixed copper wire telephones (landlines) and when I call a landlines both sides seem to be getting clear connections (no buzz and even the volume on the receivers end is louder) When calling a GSM mobile there is a buzz (sometimes, not always when I call someone using my provider [Airtel in India] and almost always when calling someone on another provider). Even more interestingly some people have claimed that the volume and buzz is less when they call me. For example many times I call someone, they will say that there is disturbance and that they are going to cut the call and call me back. And when they call back they report a clearer line. I am using the latest Qtopia kernel and Rootfs. Anyway I have started to use the Freerunner as my only phone so I will be automatically testing the GSM buzz problem on each call! Another approach I was thinking of was that if there is anyone on the list who is not having the GSM buzz problem to please write in with their kernel, rootfs and provider information. Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Now that you have your phone, what are you doing?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what official repository (which Freerunner distro is that, anyway), and how do i put something in it? as a new app developer for Freerunner, i have to say: the flow of the public repo's is not clear. ; -- Jay Vaughan See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?
I'm sorry. Please try to buy it from the distributors. Our sales have being doing hard work, but the infrastructure is still a issue. we really want to sales phones here to the public directly, but it's now not easy to make it. -jollen ___ This is Rakshat from the Indian Distributors (www.idasystems.net). Normally we do not ship outside India ( except in some cases) but if there are group (5 min) purchases (one recieving address) we can ship to Taiwan and Australia. The price would be USD 399 per piece (USD 1995 for the 5 piece lot) + shipping ($220 per 5 piece set). If your country has customs/ boundary taxes that you will need to take care of that. If someone is interested write to me off- list rakshat at idasystems dot net Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. OM2007.2 is there, it works and I recommend everybody to develop for it. Best regards, Marcus Not to start a flame war but even I would like to know why Openmoko with its scarce resources is developing its own gps software instead of supporting something like Tango GPS that seems to be working so well? Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)
Please see Daniel Willmann's announcement for more details. Cheers, -- :M: Thanks for the reply and my apologies if I mis-understood something/ got the facts wrong . I will wait for Daniel Willmann's announcement. @Marcus - My main job is to sell the Neo ( I work for a distributor) and tangoGPS is the application that impresses my clients (and me) the most (even though we hardly have OSM data for India!). I would love to see it continue to be developed. (Offline maps is something that people have asked me about also. If you have some suggestions about making that possible using OSM data and I am sure you will find a lot of community support to make that happen) Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Lynn Nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay so I just did something really stupid I nand erased u-boot, kernel, and rootfs and turned off the phone... now it won't boot... what do i do??! L Press the AUX button (and hold) and then the power button (and hold both). The phone should boot into the NOR boot loader. Use dfu-utils to flash the new u-boot, kernel, and rootfs into NAND memory. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO xserver update
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:12 AM, digger vermont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Its great to have the updates now for FSO but I've a problem with it. I installed the distro-feed-configs ipk and did an opkg update. Then opkg upgrade. Unfortunately it didn't upgrade the xserver. So I tried opkg install xserver-kdrive-glamo and I get Package xserver-kdrive-glamo (1:1.3.0.0 +gita51364e2f23d4b6331c5ed613ce3f7e15f8e540f-r6) installed in root is up to date. Is it named wrong? Or is there something I'm missing? With opkg list xserver-kdrive-glamo I get. xserver-kdrive-glamo - 1:1.3.0.0 +git4147f80c0bfedaff7749bccbd1e1d566dee0e04c-r7 - X server for glamo chip in the Openmoko GTA02 device xserver-kdrive-glamo - 1:1.3.0.0 +gita51364e2f23d4b6331c5ed613ce3f7e15f8e540f-r6 - Thanks, digger Have you followed these instructions form the wiki Note that running opkg upgrade on a factory-fresh phone will upgrade dropbear (the ssh software) and various xserver packages, and neither upgrades elegantly while in use. Xserver must be updated over ssh to complete succesfully. Dropbear can be updated over ssh with the proper command: # nohup opkg upgrade dropbear Or upgrade it directly in the FreeRunner terminal. # opkg upgrade dropbear When updating over ssh, the session will be interrupted, but the command should complete successfully(check nohup.out on your device to verify), and you should be able to reconnect within a few seconds. Then connect to the FreeRunner via ssh and type: # opkg upgrade Recent changes to the usb ethernet support require that you install these two modules, *before* you reboot, after updating. # opkg install kernel-module-g-ether kernel-module-cdc-ether And run this command : # depmod Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Blog buttons for Freerunner users/ developers
I was wondering (actually someone asked me about it) if there are blog buttons or small banners that link back to the openmoko website available for people to put on their blogs/ websites (if they are not there, can someone good in graphics from the community make them with openmoko's permission - I believe the logos are available). I was thinking of something very simple- logo+ Openmoko+ tag line (Open. Mobile. Free?) - like on the right hand corner of openmoko.com logo+ I develop for the Openmoko Freerunner logo+ I use the Openmoko Freerunner logo+ I support Openmoko+ tag line Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Sugacapra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi there, leo.studer wrote: Just installed, I must be stupid because I can't see how to shift the keyboard towards figures, so actually I can't enter my SIM pin... that's strange, I must have missed something obvious... Try flicking the keyboard up (sliding your finger up quickly in the keyboard) rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: opkg can't update in om2008.8?
Rakshat On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Dietz Proepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, opkg update on my freshly flashed om 2008.8 seems to be unable to get new packages. The download works ok but then it says Failed to download etc.: is it pinging? You will need to edit /etc/resolv.comf with the correct nameserver address again. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.8 and SIM-Pin
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Christian Weßel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I got my FR today and I flashed up to Om2008.8. The update works without any problem. After reboot I get the dialog for entering the SIM-Pin. But I can't enter digits, just letters. For my pin I need digits. What's wrong? -- http://wesselch.homelinux.org flick the keyboard up with your finger (slide your finger upwards quickly on the keyboard) is there a wiki page for the qtopia keyboard usage? will help a lot of new users? -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Noah Romer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it Thats the kernel. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Tick Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Noah, No, It's kernel image. If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image. I think you will need a debug board. Regard, Tick Or just boot into NOR U-boot nand erase u-boot and flash a new U-boot in using dfu-utils? Is this not what the NOR u0boot is for? Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Link to full qwerty screenshot in FSO uploaded by Kevin Dean http://monochromementality.com/data/phoo/2008_08_05/medium/Screenshot-9.png Full photo Safari of FOS M2 http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/FSO-Milestone-II-Phot-Safari-and--rant.html Rakshat PS the keyboard works great. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usable Keyboard
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2) can choose the word I actually typed. Yeah, This would improve the usability immensely! Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. Quite easy to form words this way. Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the terminal in Qtopia easily with this keyboard. Enter is sliding finger towards the right quickly! Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using freerunner as a telephone
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best image and configuration to have freerunner making and receiving telephone calls. I am thinking maximum reliability and battery life. Kind of failsafe mode. Or am I on the wrong universe? -- - Eric Smith If its just calls then Qtopia, 2007.2 seem to work reliably with decent battery life for me (12 hours approx with 8-9 calls in between). FSO is also stable for calls for me but some people are reporting GSM problems with it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:23 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. discuss. 2007.2 with tango GPS, Wi-fi GUI and media player installed for now Move to 2008.8 at a later date when it is more stable. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
IDA Systems Freerunner sales update
Two announcements re Freerunner sales in from IDA Systems. 1) We are getting a few (20) Debug boards with our next shipment. If you are in India and would like to order one please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] The final Price will be announced on our website but expect it to be priced around/above INR 8000/- because of the higher customs duty and CST/VAT as compared to a mobile phone. 2) We have standardised our International shipping system and price. We are not going to be shipping to Europe and America as they already have Openmoko Distributors. International Orders (To Asia, Africa and Australia only) are now possible - Price EURO 325.00 plus Euro 30 for Shipping by DHL/UPS.Payment only through direct bank transfer, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]for more details. Regards, Rakshat www.idasystems.net -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debug boards in India.
Hi this is Rakshat from IDA Systems. We now have the Debug board in stock (20 pieces). Prices are Rs 9000/- inclusive of CAT/ VAT and shipping for the debug board alone (The customs duty on the Debug board is considerably higher than on mobile phones) and Rs 3/- for the Freerunner+Debug board combo. You can mail sales at idasystems.net for more information. As the quantity is limited and I want them to go to people who actually need them for developemnt I am posting it on the list only first and it will become available from our website from 1st September. Developers who have already purchased a Freerunner from us should contact me directly rakshat at idasystems.net for a discounted price. Happy developing on the Freerunner in India Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util
Does this relate to the SD card or the flash inside the FR? I usually spend an hour or more waiting for the rootfs flash to complete. Are you using dfu-utils for windows. On my celeron laptop running ubuntu the rootfs flashing process does not take more than 15 min. The win dfu-utils is much slower. Rakshat -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sold out ahh
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:13 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in the pictures :( could you post a link to that pics? i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in lanyard hole) The Lanyard used to be sold with the Neo 1973 lunch box kit! Not the FreeRunner. Same case. Thats y the lanyard hole is still there! Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM and such
no advice any one else has Still the same :( Perhaps I need to reflash more than just u-boot, kernel and rootfs? As stated in another message, I played around with ASU and Debian, and I believe some of this still hangs around. you can do nand erase rootfs and nand erase kernel before flashing to get rid of everything. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Sorry for the chain of posts, but when I bought the phone, IDA Systems claimed it had a 500 MHz processor. Now they have corrected their website to say it is 400 MHz. Are we trying to promote openness here, or damage it? Dear Nishit, The 500MHz was based on early confusion based on the fact that the Samsung processor is capable of 500 Mhz but is clocked at 400 Mhz. The early buyers were offered 30 days return policy (we only get 28 days dead on arrival from Openmoko) for the very reason that some buyers may not like what the Freerunner offers. 30 days are over but in your case, as a special consideration, if you are not satisfied with the Freerunner please post it back to us and we will give you a full refund. We have limited supply of the Freerunner and need devices to send as review samples. Hope this will take you out of your misery a little. Regards, Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
Just to add I too use Qtopia for my business use on a daily basis. Get some complains about voice quality otherwise managing ok. Rakshat On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 7:51 PM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the chain of posts, but when I bought the phone, IDA Systems claimed it had a 500 MHz processor. Now they have corrected their website to say it is 400 MHz. Are we trying to promote openness here, or damage it? Dear Nishit, The 500MHz was based on early confusion based on the fact that the Samsung processor is capable of 500 Mhz but is clocked at 400 Mhz. The early buyers were offered 30 days return policy (we only get 28 days dead on arrival from Openmoko) for the very reason that some buyers may not like what the Freerunner offers. 30 days are over but in your case, as a special consideration, if you are not satisfied with the Freerunner please post it back to us and we will give you a full refund. We have limited supply of the Freerunner and need devices to send as review samples. Hope this will take you out of your misery a little. Regards, Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner Review
Techtree - one of the leading Indian technology related websites has done a detailed (and what I feel balanced) review of the freerunner. The review can be found at http://www.techtree.com/India/Reviews/Freerunner/551-93139-612-7.html Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner Review
Correcting the url http://www.techtree.com/India/Reviews/Freerunner/551-93139-612-1.html Rakshat On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 2:21 PM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Techtree - one of the leading Indian technology related websites has done a detailed (and what I feel balanced) review of the freerunner. The review can be found at http://www.techtree.com/India/Reviews/Freerunner/551-93139-612-7.html Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
more Freerunner coverage in India
Living digital magazine has done a small write up on the Freerunner in their current issue http://livingdigitalindia.ciol.com/Archive_MagazineArchives_101412_Archives.aspx A more detailed review is expected in their sister magazine, PC Quest, next month. Also for those that missed it, Techtree had also published a detailed review of the Freerunner http://www.techtree.com/India/Reviews/Freerunner/551-93139-612.html So the Freerunner is finally getting some coverage in India Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Quoting a mail we received sometime ago from Koolu Koolu presently supplies other distributors globally for Openmoko Freerunners. Due to this volume we can provide lower prices and value add. In November 2008 we start shipping Freerunner with Android pre installed and supported as an option Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.9) Upgrade - update
As long as you are just getting .sig download errors there should be no problems. OPKG seems to have a problem with package signatures Rakshat So I ran update, which gave me a lot of Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig Signature check failed and ended with a stack of * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 Where do I go wrong? Do I need to add/change something? Thanks! pauL -- Time's fun when you're having flies. -Kermit the Frog http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS sensitivity
In open sky conditions in Jaipur, India (outdoors) the Freerunner normally gives me a 40s (+ - 10s) tiff while my N 95 takes 60s (+ - 10) [ cold starts after rebooting on both ]. I have not timed them indoors but will do so and report after Diwali Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtExtended 4.4.2 : GPRS
If your provider needs a proxy, many times you need to enter the same for DNS and not opendns. Have not tried gprs on 4.4.2 yet. will try tomorrow and let you know. Rakshat Oh, I know the details, but thanks anyway. I have been trying to figure out if the reason for my inability to get data in or out through gprs relates to a dns problem (I use opendns) or a routing issue, or something entirely else. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtExtended 4.4.2 : GPRS
Have you seen this blog for connecting to gprs on qtopia. http://johnsu01.livejournal.com/tag/openmoko Oh, I know the details, but thanks anyway. I have been trying to figure out if the reason for my inability to get data in or out through gprs relates to a dns problem (I use opendns) or a routing issue, or something entirely else. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android]Android open sourced
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:09 PM, David Samblas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: confirmed was the uSD without ext3 partition issue Now I see the two robots on boot. first boot just after I put the pin code it sudenly shuttdown Try booting connected to wall charger ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
try checking if you can install by giving the full ipk url (see opkg.org for the full urls) of some packages with opkg install. Let me know if that works. Rakshat On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:37 PM, mallikarjun arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all I am new to openmoko and i am not able to install applications and my network is up i can ping. When i type [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# opkg install openmoko-dates2 An error ocurred, return value: 2. and when i update it will flash these errors in seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# opkg update Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.gz Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig Signature check failed Collected errors: * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Problem
I am also pretty sure its a missing DNS server in resolv.conf. Rakshat On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Steven Goyvaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, This may happen because DNS server adress is missing. Just ssh into your freerunner and add the IP adress for the DNS server command : nano /etc/resolv.conf then add to the resolv.conf file : nameserver your DNS serveripadress (without the quotes) save the resolv.conf file (ctrl o) quit nano (ctrl x) Try pinging openmoko again. Greetings, Steven mallikarjun arjun wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM, mallikarjun arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:51 PM, smurfy - phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok crap, the download of the packages also fails :) you said you could ping, your own computer or something else? i normally connect my freerunner to my eeepc with linux. i have special iptables rules on my eeepc host to provide NATing to the internet. does pinging www.openmoko.org works? another problem could be your nameserver settings. phil If i ping using ipaddress then it pings also i can ping my own laptop. Do you still think it is problem with name server but this does not works ping www.openmoko.org ping: bad address 'www.openmoko.org' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Openmoko-Problem-tp1498025p1498138.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner on cover of Linux for you magazine
The Freerunner is the main photo on the December issue of Linux for You Magazine http://www.lfymag.com/currentissue.asp?id=13 Have not read the issue yet but would expect that the lead story should be about the Freerunner too. Regards, Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bounties?
Do you think it is a good idea to start a bounties page on the wiki? People can post their detailed bounties on the page with details of how to contact them. The developers can claim the bounties once they feel they have fulfilled the task. Rakshat On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Michael Kluge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd pay ~50 for a thing like Agendus on Palm OS. http://www.iambic.com/agendus/palmos/ That can sync to Evolution (at least Calendar and Contacts) and has good mail app. QT mail is not usable, clawsmail is a lot better but not optimized for a small screen. Michael Sargun Dhillon schrieb: Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How much would you pay? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
5 Freerunners for a discounted price (India)
In India we had sent out a few Freerunners as review samples to a number of magazines and websites and have received 5 of these back now. We plan to make these available at a 25% discounted price to students/ hobby linux developers in India. The Freerunners have been checked and refurbished and come a 30 day return policy against Hardware defects. We will also send a note stating which magazine your Freerunner was sent for review to along with the shipment The Price is Rs 16500 inclusive of CST and Blue Dart insured shipping in India. ( $325 Approx) The special price is only for these 5 Freerunners and our normal price remains at Rs 22000. Contact me directly if you are interested. Also check out the December issue of Linux for You. Edgar has done the cover story on the Freerunner based on a phone he bought (not a review sample). Rakshat rakshat at idasystems dot net -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Global Domination 0.9
Is ir possible to have a T-Shirt with the Open CAD poster design. That would be cool. Rakshat On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Steve Mosher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Community. At your urging we have opened a storefront to sell Openmoko merchandise. http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc Sean and I had a couple of hours to kill this weekend. He did all the work and I pushed him to release ASAP. Going forward we will add more products and improve the look of the store; so, post your ideas and we will build up the offerings in the store. The profits will go to bounties and other programs to aid the community. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Global Domination 0.9
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rakshat hooja wrote: Is ir possible to have a T-Shirt with the Open CAD poster design. That would be cool. Here you go: http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc.337325440 I put a few more colors up there, too. Let me know if you like this. -Sean Thanks. I am ordering one in black right now. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Global Domination 0.9
Is it will be possible to add an Openmoko logo to the look of the store page in the near future? I am going to send an email to all my friends who may be willing to spend $25 to support OM but not really buy the Freerunner. But the current page is very generic looking and does not connect with Openmoko at first glance. Rakshat On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:00 PM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: rakshat hooja wrote: Is ir possible to have a T-Shirt with the Open CAD poster design. That would be cool. Here you go: http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc.337325440 I put a few more colors up there, too. Let me know if you like this. -Sean Thanks. I am ordering one in black right now. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Converting a brick into a phone
Hi Steve, Please start the page on the wiki with your phone info and I (and hopefully many others) will add there info there. I would start the page but not too sure where to start it or if bots clear out orphan pages on the wiki. Rakshat On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Steve Mosher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A list on the wiki of all severe problems and the end user details would be great, especially for future reference. Some of the problems, like Buzz, 1024 (recamp) seem to happen to some people and not others. I never had the buzz problem, go figure. 1. problems: WSOD, recamp, Buzz, echo ( insert gripe) 2. End user data: a. email (optional) b. Date code on phone ( under battery) c. s/n d. p/n e carrier. f. 900Mhz or 850? g distro etc... anything else? It might be nice to know what band the phone is operating on ( 900/1800/1900) if that's possible. Steve Andreas Cyberfrag Fischer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 10.12.2008 17:17, arne anka schrieb: Maybe we could have a page on the wiki where people can tell in which country they are, which provider and if they have the buzz bug or not. That would be a good idea. Let's start this wiki page and also record the echo issue in it (which also seems to vary among people). Anyone knowing where to place this page? i wish, you guys would check archives and wiki before posting this stuff. the buzzing issue is _technically_ solved. I know. Still it might be good for those who suffer from buzzing to know whether a change of provider would bring a chance of improving the situation meanwhile, until the fix is official. And a wiki page summarizing experiences doesn't really cost anything, does it? Regards, Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklACw8ACgkQ5Fl7TYZQYwFzTwCbB++czGH5Bon0BBzdQL4/7glo 3woAn1N+shXWAVeKVwK8Kpc/yLOReHwt =blcK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
case manufacturing
Does anyone know where one can get alternate case designs for the freerunner manufactured in quantities of less than 100. Any information would be appreciated. Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: case manufacturing
ponoko.com would do it for you, or emachineshop.com if you get some pricing, could you let us know -- even your desgin? i am still pondering the idea of a new casing ... Thanks. will update when I get pricing. My design is still at the idea stage - add a USB keyboard (qwerty) into the case design itself. Will make it heavier but helps my use case as I want to stop carrying my laptop with me when I have the Freerunner and the onscreen kb (illume), though good, is slightly small when typing out documents. (Guess I am looking for a Blackberry equvalent) Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Converting a brick into a phone
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Andreas Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I added another column to indicate echo problems - I think it would be good to get info on both of these issues. With regard to buzz, do you think it is necessary to differentiate between no buzz at all, always buzz, and buzz only with headset? My understanding was that using a headset also has an influence. Have also added WSOD - the page may need to be renamed and linked from other pages Regards, Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: missing eth0
Have you tried after rebooting once again. Not all modules are loaded on first boot. Rakshat PS - support list! On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:56 PM, peter boehm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello list, i purchased a neo freerunner and flashed it successfully with Om2008.9-gta02-20081106.uImage.bin Om2008.9-gta02-20081117.rootfs.jffs2 my problem is that the eth0 device (interface) is not present on the system: # ls /sys/class/net/ /sys/class/net/lo//sys/class/net/usb0/ therefore i am unable bring up the eth0 interface i.e: # /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device on my friends device with the same system and kernel the eth0 interface is brought up and we can see it in /sys/class/net/eth0/ and also it can be brought up with the ifconfig command. any help would be appreciated peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bad Customer support from Truebox.com about a Broken Battery
If I were in your position now - which I would not be!! I should be shamed to admit that I have failed customers on more than one occasion, but never over something as straight-forward as taking a jiffy bag to the post office - I would now be thinking I need to pay Fed Ex or someone £80 or more to get a battery to Greece within 24 or 48 hours. Stroller. Or if you feel shipping batteries to Greece is unreliable/ not possible offer the customer a 10-15% discount on their next purchase from your store. Maybe something like that can be worked out even now and everyone can be happy. Rakshat PS - in my market customers are encouraged via government campaigns to publicly air their grievances if there is no response from the seller so I dont find it odd if a problem/issue has been made public. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: case manufacturing
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.comwrote: 2008/12/12 rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com: Thanks. will update when I get pricing. My design is still at the idea stage - add a USB keyboard (qwerty) into the case design itself. Will make it heavier but helps my use case as I want to stop carrying my laptop with me when I have the Freerunner and the onscreen kb (illume), though good, is slightly small when typing out documents. (Guess I am looking for a Blackberry equvalent) excellent - i'd be interested in one of those if you're building more than one. are you designing the thing collaboratively, or on your own? This is a personal project, so doing it on my own. I will post the design I have in mind by monday (will try and build a mock prototype). Rakshat PS - also wanted to clarify that I am not a trained engineer so don't expect something very professional. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT Extended
Call sending came always back to the device no matter what dialed and this is my major problem right now Can you elaborate. Do you mean that you are unable to make outgoing calls with this image? Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT Extended
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Juergen Schinker ba1...@homie.homelinux.net wrote: rakshat hooja wrote: Call sending came always back to the device no matter what dialed and this is my major problem right now Can you elaborate. Do you mean that you are unable to make outgoing calls with this image? yes that is exact my problem dial any number - it dials for 3 sec - call with dialed nr comes in and leaves a missed call (All forwards redirects or barring disabled!) Juergen Thanks. I was planning to move to this image from the stock Nokia QT Extended 4.2.2 (which works fine for me expect bluetooth and multiple sms problems) but will postphone till Lorn potter releases the netx build. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
[About keyboard] All that you said makes a lot of sense to me. Also, I haven't missed a physical keyboard on the freerunner, if anyone cares. +1 Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Graphical text editor ?
have not tried this (deforaos-editor) but it may work ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Graphical text editor ?
sorry ipk link http://www.opkg.org/packages/deforaos-editor_0.1.0_armv4t.ipk On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:40 PM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: have not tried this (deforaos-editor) but it may work -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Android]
I was in the process of flashing android for the first time. I understand only GSM works on android (no wifi or gps) and thats ok with me. Just had two questions 1) Is there a media player inbuilt in the android flash image? 2) Should one flash the Kolou beta image or Sean's image? Thanks Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Sargun Dhillon xbmodder+openm...@gmail.comxbmodder%2bopenm...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care for 3G. GSM is a crappy technology here in the states (I blame the implementors). We have flat data rates for a variety of reasons. Additionally, why are we expecting 3G from OM, they are having a hard time getting a phone right. Why are we holding them to the same standards as Apple, HTC, etc... Apple can't get 3G in the iPhone for two years. Their hardware staff is probably a thousand times bigger than the 2 guys working on mokoforesight right now. (Based on the assumption they have 2000 people doing hardware, including vendors, and contractors. Give OM a break. Please Also if there are reports of 3G dongles working well with the Freerunner, please post them on this list/ wiki. Resellers can start stocking them if the demand is there. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.netwrote: rakshat hooja wrote: Also if there are reports of 3G dongles working well with the Freerunner, please post them on this list/ wiki. Resellers can start stocking them if the demand is there. Rakshat AAH! I don't want to have to have a dongle, probably with a separate contract, in order to use 3G from my phone. That is the worst possible outcome for an openmoko data connection. I want my phone to BE my 3G dongle, so I have a decent smartphone with a good connection speed, good 3G coverage for calls AND can use the connection from my laptop, preferably via bluetooth. Screw it, I'll buy a mass produced android next time. I am talking about GTA 02 and people who already own it and need to use 3G. GTA 02 does not have 3G built in sorry if if this was not clear in my mail Rakshat -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Stage-of-GTA03-development--tp1664400p1745374.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number? (India users)
Replies below: Hello to all Indian Openmoko Users, I am preparing the Indian dialplan: I have some (for you) stupid question: 1) All your mobile phone number usually start witt (092/093/092/097/098/099) so your international phone number start with (+9192 / +9193/ etc.) ? Yes 2) In the provided pdf file there are only mobile phone number. There are some city name. What it mean? Is the city where the sim is sold? :) The State they are sold in - those are state names 3) In the same pdf I saw: RIM ‐ RELIANCE INDIA MOBILE (CDMA) CELLONE‐ BHARAT SANCHAR NIGAM LIMITED TATA INDICOM (CDMA) They have/ had all india licenses and the three tables on the left give all their prefixes. They are listed on top of the three tables. Rakshat Thank you for your help ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
