[CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
William Gillis is suing Apple over the twice as fast for half the price iPhone 3G ads. Apple responds, in the 5th affirmative defense: Any statements made by Apple were truthful and accurate and were not misleading or deceptive ... and could not have been reasonably understood by Plaintiff ... in a manner that was misleading or deceptive Rephrased: Everything in the ads was true. Not sure about that one, Judge? OK, try this one, the 16th affirmative defense (titled Puffing): Plaintiff's claims ... are barred by the fact that the alleged deceptive statements were such that no reasonable person in Plaintiff's position could have reasonably relied on or misunderstood Apple's statements as claims of fact. Rephrased: We don't need no stinkin' facts. If you believed the ads, you're an idiot. Those wacky lawyers, ya gotta love 'em. http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/files/apples_answer_in_gillis.pdf * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
William Gillis is suing Apple over the twice as fast for half the price iPhone 3G ads. Is not his beef with the ATT network? I'm puzzled why Apple is getting dragged into this. When standing next to an ATT tower it probably does run that fast. When standing in the desert it probably does not run at all. So? If I had shitty Comcast would I get to sue Microsoft over it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Steve Mobs was: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple
Dec 2nd 11AM... Already gone: But my Tivo saved the day (at least for me). This really is great but I can't help but think of some of the C-guys while I watch. Sorry. Like the bit about peanut butter in the Ethernet port? And Homer's xenophobia? Certainly. Note the two Apple commercials that ran during that half hour. (You did watch the commercials, knowing that skipping them violates the ToA and would be stealing content.) Shazam looked appealing. As did the claim that Apple makes the greenest laptop. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
And if my DSL service slows down, should I sue Verizon or should I sue the modem manufacturer for not delivering advertised specs? Or if I buy a Lotus whose adverts claim top speeds, but I am always stuck in DC metro-area traffic, should I sue Lotus? Unscrupulous lawyers must love these people! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- William Gillis is suing Apple over the twice as fast for half the price iPhone 3G ads. Is not his beef with the ATT network? I'm puzzled why Apple is getting dragged into this. When standing next to an ATT tower it probably does run that fast. When standing in the desert it probably does not run at all. So? If I had shitty Comcast would I get to sue Microsoft over it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
My feelings is that if a person sues another company and losses they ought to be liable for that companies legal expenses. Stewart At 10:13 AM 12/3/2008, you wrote: And if my DSL service slows down, should I sue Verizon or should I sue the modem manufacturer for not delivering advertised specs? Or if I buy a Lotus whose adverts claim top speeds, but I am always stuck in DC metro-area traffic, should I sue Lotus? Unscrupulous lawyers must love these people! Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes anti-virus for Macs
BBC NEWS... Apple has urged Mac owners to use anti-virus software. And the day after BBC runs a retraction... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/12/mac_malware_were_we_wrong.htm l There was a web firestorm yesterday over an apparent warning from Apple that its users could be vulnerable to attack and should consider installing anti-virus software. It was a firestorm that we helped to fan with a story - and a post on this blog. So I'm sorry if we suggested that this was a major U-turn by Apple when it was not. Graham Cluley, who we quoted in the post, now describes the incident as a fascinating example of how the internet can get carried away with itself, and it is certainly true that bloggers and journalists (and I include myself) hate to be left out when this kind of storm brews up. The advice in that tech note was bad, even if the suggestion to add antivirus were valid. Running multiple antivirus programs is a bad idea. The products cited were not good choices. This speaks more to poor quality control on what gets posted and not much else. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
Under those circumstances, no individual would ever be able to sue. The downside risk is too great. The wrong side prevails in all too many cases in this country. Fred Holmes At 11:23 AM 12/3/2008, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: My feelings is that if a person sues another company and losses they ought to be liable for that companies legal expenses. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
They are potentially liable now if the suit is ruled as being frivolous or otherwise without merit. You don't want an absolute rule as that would prevent folks of limited means, or limited risk tolerance, from ever suing anyone with deep pockets. Imagine you sue megacorp for a potential $100,000 tort and loose on a technical reading of the law. Megacorp uses Dewy, Cheatham, and Howe who charged a $1,000,000 which the company gladly payed to avoid setting a precedent that could open them up to 100 such suits. Can you even imagine bringing the suit in the first place with that downside risk? Matthew On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: My feelings is that if a person sues another company and losses they ought to be liable for that companies legal expenses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes anti-virus for Macs
Unfortunately, the original story will be quoted forever. On the Internet, there is no such thing as a retraction. There was another followup: http://www.macworld.com/article/137267/2008/12/antivirusremoved.html [Apple removes antivirus support page by Jim Dalrymple, Macworld.com A support page on Apple's Web site recommending users purchase antivirus software for their Macs received a lot of attention over the past couple of days, but on Tuesday Apple removed the page from its Web site. We have removed the KnowledgeBase article because it was old and inaccurate, Apple spokesman Bill Evans, told Macworld. The Mac is designed with built-in technologies that provide protection against malicious software and security threats right out of the box. The Web page seemed to go against Apple's newest ad campaigns that suggested only the PC needs antivirus software. Even though the page has been removed, Apple did not tell customers to absolutely not protect themselves. Since no system can be 100% immune from every threat, running anti-virus software may offer additional protection, said Evans] Thanks for the corrective followup. Richard P. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC NEWS... Apple has urged Mac owners to use anti-virus software. And the day after BBC runs a retraction... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/12/mac_malware_were_we_wrong.htm l There was a web firestorm yesterday over an apparent warning from Apple that its users could be vulnerable to attack and should consider installing anti-virus software. It was a firestorm that we helped to fan with a story - and a post on this blog. So I'm sorry if we suggested that this was a major U-turn by Apple when it was not. Graham Cluley, who we quoted in the post, now describes the incident as a fascinating example of how the internet can get carried away with itself, and it is certainly true that bloggers and journalists (and I include myself) hate to be left out when this kind of storm brews up. The advice in that tech note was bad, even if the suggestion to add antivirus were valid. Running multiple antivirus programs is a bad idea. The products cited were not good choices. This speaks more to poor quality control on what gets posted and not much else. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
Why do we assume logic? This looks like plain greedy lawsuit and Apple has more cash. 75 years ago a famous bank robber was asked why he robbed banks, and said that's where the money is... How is this any different? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Is not his beef with the ATT network? I'm puzzled why Apple is getting dragged into this I assume it's because Apple that was advertising the speed, not ATT. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
This from the UK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7749435.stm More lies and half-truths. The BBC is/are out of control. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is not his beef with the ATT network? I'm puzzled why Apple is getting dragged into this I assume it's because Apple that was advertising the speed, not ATT. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
William Gillis is suing Apple over the twice as fast for half the price iPhone 3G ads. Is not his beef with the ATT network? I'm puzzled why Apple is getting dragged into this. When standing next to an ATT tower it probably does run that fast. When standing in the desert it probably does not run at all. So? Desert. You don't need no stinkin' desert. Gillis probably also believed ATT's No Bars in More Places ads too Perhaps he should sue the TV stations (both local and national) for running the ads with all those pretty pictures of birds flying in the formation of multiple bars supposedly portraying good cell phone reception. If I had shitty Comcast would I get to sue Microsoft over it? If you do, let me know. I'd love to find out what this High Speed Internet thing is all about... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes anti-virus for Macs
Does this mean this internet thing isn't all that it's cracked up to be? Didn't UAL stock take a nose dive when some lame broker found a story on the web that said UAL was filing for bankruptcy. But the story was several years old... True, the media should be more responsible. But the pinheads that read the news might want to think about it for just a second or two. But I read it on the web, so it has to be true!! BBC NEWS... Apple has urged Mac owners to use anti-virus software. And the day after BBC runs a retraction... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/12/mac_malware_were_we_wrong.htm l There was a web firestorm yesterday over an apparent warning from Apple that its users could be vulnerable to attack and should consider installing anti-virus software. It was a firestorm that we helped to fan with a story - and a post on this blog. So I'm sorry if we suggested that this was a major U-turn by Apple when it was not. Graham Cluley, who we quoted in the post, now describes the incident as a fascinating example of how the internet can get carried away with itself, and it is certainly true that bloggers and journalists (and I include myself) hate to be left out when this kind of storm brews up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
And in the case of frivolous lawsuits like this, toss in a nice tar and feathering too... My feelings is that if a person sues another company and losses they ought to be liable for that companies legal expenses. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
This from the UK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7749435.stm More lies and half-truths. The BBC is/are out of control. I'm confused...how is the BBC out of control? A lot of UK news organizations are reporting this. I don't understand what lies and half-truths you're referring to. (It also appears that this is the second 3G ad that's been banned there.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
Could my previous comment been an example of...sarcasm??? On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This from the UK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7749435.stm More lies and half-truths. The BBC is/are out of control. I'm confused...how is the BBC out of control? A lot of UK news organizations are reporting this. I don't understand what lies and half-truths you're referring to. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Adobe Reader Form Fillin
Some things about Adobe Reader (and Acrobat) have been, well, flaky . I just ran some tests with the W4 Form pdf at irs.gov, and I also couldn't save the filled-in form using Adobe Reader 9 with the downloaded file. However, when I tried opening the downloaded file in Firefox (with the plug-in), I was able to both fill in the form and save the filled-in form to a new file. Side note - for a while, now, when Reader is running I can't use Firefox to open a pdf file either remotely or locally. I can't tell if clean installs would cure the flakiness, but at least there's a work-around for fill-ins (based on a sample size of 1). FWIW, the system is Vista Home Prem, Reader 9, Acrobat 8, Firefox 3, Adobe PDF Plug-In, all updates current. -Andy Fred Holmes wrote: I had Adobe Reader 7 on my machine and decided to upgrade it, apparently a mistake. With V7, one could save a filled in form with the data that had been filled in. With V9, this is clearly prohibited, i.e., if I load a (IRS) form capable of fill-in, all I can do is print it with the filled in information, I can't save it. Not only is this a nuisance, but it means that I can't edit a form that I've filled in, if I find an error in the information I've filled in. It's not just that the save won't work, I get an Adobe pop-up telling me that this feature no longer exists. Is Adobe just being mean? I don't find any place where I'm asked even to pay a fee to enable the saving of a filled-in form. Am I expected to purchase a full version of Acrobat just to fill in a form? What do they expect people to do? The installation of version 9 even killed (deleted, uninstalled) version 7, even though I specifically specified a different folder for installing version 9. Thanks for any elucidation. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
Could my previous comment been an example of...sarcasm??? D'oh...must get more coffee... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] slide converter
want easy, fast 35mm slide to digital format converter. i have 1s of slides! any suggestions for best way don't want to have to edit, tinker with. thanks, Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
any recommendations for a turntable to convert vinyl to digital format? any that I should stay away from? want easy, fast; don't want to have to tinker with. but, i don't want hum or other bad things. i'm no audiophile really! TIA, Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital Media Streamers/Receivers
Apple's AirPort Express can stream to your stereo receiver, http://www.apple.com/wifi/. I also use a stereo FM transmitter to broadcast from my Mac to receivers. The one I have is for use in a car. I power it by plugging into a DC to AC converter, and added an antenna. I can listen to anything in iTunes, WMP, QT, Real or other player. Using WiFi might give you better reception. Betty My TiVo does this, but it does not have a robust/rich interface... I don't recommend it. It also requires TiVo Server software on a network computer to access the music stored on a network drive. I know there are machines out there that can do this... - Brian - Original Message - From: Seth Guthartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CGUYS] Digital Media Streamers/Receivers I am using iTunes. I want to tie in a device on my stereo system that will allow me to access the music on this LAN drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
Isn't this what class action suits are for? -Original Message- From: Larry Sacks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Gillis v Apple And in the case of frivolous lawsuits like this, toss in a nice tar and feathering too... My feelings is that if a person sues another company and losses they ought to be liable for that companies legal expenses. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] slide converter
http://nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Film-Scanners/9238/Super-COOLSCAN-5000-ED.html Not sure if want to spend that kind of money. I used an older version of it with a slide loader. It did a decent job and that was 5-6 years ago. Hardware and software have gotten better since. Check out: http://www.photographyreview.com/cat/digital-gear/scanners/film-scanners/PLS_3126crx.aspx On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: want easy, fast 35mm slide to digital format converter. i have 1s of slides! any suggestions for best way don't want to have to edit, tinker with. thanks, Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] 917.657.2022 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] slide converter
well, I think I could resell it if I ever finish the slides! it's better than the much cheaper gizmos that prob. don't do that great a job prob. take longer. how fast could you load scan, say, 100 slides? thanks for the info, Judy Seth Guthartz wrote: http://nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Film-Scanners/9238/Super-COOLSCAN-5000-ED.html Not sure if want to spend that kind of money. I used an older version of it with a slide loader. It did a decent job and that was 5-6 years ago. Hardware and software have gotten better since. Check out: http://www.photographyreview.com/cat/digital-gear/scanners/film-scanners/PLS_3126crx.aspx On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: want easy, fast 35mm slide to digital format converter. i have 1s of slides! any suggestions for best way don't want to have to edit, tinker with. thanks, Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
Ion makes a turntable that plugs into the USB port, it seems like a descent unit but I have not tried it. I found this laypersons review of the unit. http://www.winecommonsewer.com/the_wine_commonsewer/2008/05/ion-usb-turntab.html If you have a nice turntable and stereo set I would get a external usb audio/videao capture board. http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1950.html If you only have a couple of vinyls it makes more sense to buy the CD(if you like every song) or the mp3 if it is just one track your after. You can get just about any song online. If you look hard enough. Mike Judy Cosler wrote: any recommendations for a turntable to convert vinyl to digital format? any that I should stay away from? want easy, fast; don't want to have to tinker with. but, i don't want hum or other bad things. i'm no audiophile really! TIA, Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
Yes...true...but they do pool the funds of the plaintiffs so even the little guy can get his pound (or ounce) of flesh ...a class action suit is not to get money for oneself but rather to effect a change ...the lawyers always get a boatload (or at least a boat payment) out of everything, don't they? -Original Message- From: Larry Sacks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:54 PM To: RLeeSimon Subject: RE: Gillis v Apple Aren't those the things trial lawyers use to make a boat-load of money for themselves and about $10 each for the plaintiffs??? -Original Message- From: RLeeSimon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:38 PM To: Larry Sacks Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Gillis v Apple Isn't this what class action suits are for? -Original Message- From: Larry Sacks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Gillis v Apple And in the case of frivolous lawsuits like this, toss in a nice tar and feathering too... My feelings is that if a person sues another company and losses they ought to be liable for that companies legal expenses. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
ION turntable USB, with software. Stewart At 01:28 PM 12/3/2008, you wrote: any recommendations for a turntable to convert vinyl to digital format? any that I should stay away from? want easy, fast; don't want to have to tinker with. but, i don't want hum or other bad things. i'm no audiophile really! TIA, Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
I recently purchased one from Amazon for a friend (Audio Technica AT-LP2DUSB). As I recall, there weren't a lot of options as to quality; certainly not the selection there was in the old days. There isn't too much 'automatic' about the process. You have to learn to use a sound editor, and learn to burn the finished audio files to cd. This one shipped with a version of the open source Audacity, and some other app I can't remember. Face it, no matter how good it is, the old records are going to sound worse than modern digital music. My buddy is still worried about finding replacement cartridges for the darned thing, as I have yet to convince him that once he rips an album he'll never need to play the record again, and can just throw it away. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any recommendations for a turntable to convert vinyl to digital format? any that I should stay away from? want easy, fast; don't want to have to tinker with. but, i don't want hum or other bad things. i'm no audiophile really! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
One thing that would be useful but I don't know if it's available is some way to insert track markers when there's a break between sections. I used to use a Sony CD recorder that required special music CDs and would accept an auxiliary input from a phono jack. I remember the problem with recording records was that oftentimes it would be one looong track. Autobreaks were often in odd places. But that was 4 years ago so I assume the technology's better now. Michael Drabick wrote: Ion makes a turntable that plugs into the USB port, it seems like a descent unit but I have not tried it. I found this laypersons review of the unit. http://www.winecommonsewer.com/the_wine_commonsewer/2008/05/ion-usb-turntab.html If you have a nice turntable and stereo set I would get a external usb audio/videao capture board. http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1950.html If you only have a couple of vinyls it makes more sense to buy the CD(if you like every song) or the mp3 if it is just one track your after. You can get just about any song online. If you look hard enough. Mike Judy Cosler wrote: any recommendations for a turntable to convert vinyl to digital format? any that I should stay away from? want easy, fast; don't want to have to tinker with. but, i don't want hum or other bad things. i'm no audiophile really! TIA, Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
we got an audio technica http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UKUDSE/ref=s9k2a_c3_at1-rfc_p-3237_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DERpf_rd_s=center-1pf_rd_r=1HZAEF4XG1H0TPZ03ERApf_rd_t=101pf_rd_p=463383351pf_rd_i=507846 comes with software. totally cleans up pops and crackles. totally acceptable. is very inexpensive compared to the teac, and probably does the same job. limits are: 1. no breaks between songs 2 no song titles ie it can't put in what ain't there. At 02:28 PM 12/3/2008, you wrote: any recommendations for a turntable to convert vinyl to digital format? any that I should stay away from? want easy, fast; don't want to have to tinker with. but, i don't want hum or other bad things. i'm no audiophile really! TIA, Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
Audacity also allows you to do that, but as Tony mentioned, it requires some audio editing skill. The automatic function only works some of the time, so you end up doing it manually. Richard P. One thing that would be useful but I don't know if it's available is some way to insert track markers when there's a break between sections. I used to use a Sony CD recorder that required special music CDs and would accept an auxiliary input from a phono jack. I remember the problem with recording records was that oftentimes it would be one looong track. Autobreaks were often in odd places. But that was 4 years ago so I assume the technology's better now. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gillis v Apple
Nothing's perfect neehow izit? -Original Message- From: Larry Sacks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:12 PM To: RLeeSimon Subject: RE: Gillis v Apple Maybe this is just a California thing but most of the class-action lawsuit things I get in the mail aren't really about change or trying to effect one. Often, they're about suing a company that projected 10 cents per share earnings and only made 8 cents per share - clearing misleading their investors. -Original Message- From: RLeeSimon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:06 PM To: Larry Sacks Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Gillis v Apple Yes...true...but they do pool the funds of the plaintiffs so even the little guy can get his pound (or ounce) of flesh ...a class action suit is not to get money for oneself but rather to effect a change ...the lawyers always get a boatload (or at least a boat payment) out of everything, don't they? -Original Message- From: Larry Sacks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:54 PM To: RLeeSimon Subject: RE: Gillis v Apple Aren't those the things trial lawyers use to make a boat-load of money for themselves and about $10 each for the plaintiffs??? -Original Message- From: RLeeSimon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:38 PM To: Larry Sacks Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Gillis v Apple Isn't this what class action suits are for? -Original Message- From: Larry Sacks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Gillis v Apple And in the case of frivolous lawsuits like this, toss in a nice tar and feathering too... My feelings is that if a person sues another company and losses they ought to be liable for that companies legal expenses. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
some ppl think vinyl sounds better than anything! (I don't weigh in with any opinion; don't think my 'ear' is good enough to tell!) Tony B wrote: I recently purchased one from Amazon for a friend (Audio Technica AT-LP2DUSB). As I recall, there weren't a lot of options as to quality; certainly not the selection there was in the old days. There isn't too much 'automatic' about the process. You have to learn to use a sound editor, and learn to burn the finished audio files to cd. This one shipped with a version of the open source Audacity, and some other app I can't remember. Face it, no matter how good it is, the old records are going to sound worse than modern digital music. My buddy is still worried about finding replacement cartridges for the darned thing, as I have yet to convince him that once he rips an album he'll never need to play the record again, and can just throw it away. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any recommendations for a turntable to convert vinyl to digital format? any that I should stay away from? want easy, fast; don't want to have to tinker with. but, i don't want hum or other bad things. i'm no audiophile really! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
some of these are old, old jazz. I will look online, I guess. would be way easier! Michael Drabick wrote: Ion makes a turntable that plugs into the USB port, it seems like a descent unit but I have not tried it. I found this laypersons review of the unit. http://www.winecommonsewer.com/the_wine_commonsewer/2008/05/ion-usb-turntab.html If you have a nice turntable and stereo set I would get a external usb audio/videao capture board. http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1950.html If you only have a couple of vinyls it makes more sense to buy the CD(if you like every song) or the mp3 if it is just one track your after. You can get just about any song online. If you look hard enough. Mike Judy Cosler wrote: any recommendations for a turntable to convert vinyl to digital format? any that I should stay away from? want easy, fast; don't want to have to tinker with. but, i don't want hum or other bad things. i'm no audiophile really! TIA, Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] slide converter
But, if you have Kodachrome slides that scanner produces inferior results; best to look for a Konica-Minlota dimage 5400 (incandescent) or 5400II (fluorescent) the latter having one additional means of cleaning up the scans ...try looking at www.stevesdigicams.com or elsewhere to read up on those ...you see them from time to time on ebay ...they are no longer in production. -Original Message- From: Seth Guthartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: Re: slide converter http://nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Film-Scanners/9238/Super-COOLSCA N-5000-ED.html Not sure if want to spend that kind of money. I used an older version of it with a slide loader. It did a decent job and that was 5-6 years ago. Hardware and software have gotten better since. Check out: http://www.photographyreview.com/cat/digital-gear/scanners/film-scanners/PLS _3126crx.aspx On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: want easy, fast 35mm slide to digital format converter. i have 1s of slides! any suggestions for best way don't want to have to edit, tinker with. thanks, Judy ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] 917.657.2022 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
Many of the arguments for vinyl being better arose at a time when CD sound was not as good as it is today. But LPs are certainly better than MP3s if you have a good turntable. It is often said that vinyl has a warm quality and the slight sound of a turntable can be nostalgic for those who remember. But certainly one should not throw away one's albums unless they are in terrible condition. Long after your CDs stop playing (which may be about ten years for the cheaper ones) your albums will still be there (as long as you keep them in a good storage area) to make another copy for you. Making a digital copy of your favorite and rare vinyl recording to play is a good idea to preserve it. On the editing, if it removes the pops and crackles it almost certainly does something to the dynamic range. So you might try it with and without to see which you prefer. But if you buy something you may not necessarily want to go with the simplest method. Most of the time once you learn a method for editing it will be repeatable and won't take much more time than a simple player that screws things up a lot. Let us know what you find! Judy Cosler wrote: some ppl think vinyl sounds better than anything! (I don't weigh in with any opinion; don't think my 'ear' is good enough to tell!) Tony B wrote: I recently purchased one from Amazon for a friend (Audio Technica AT-LP2DUSB). As I recall, there weren't a lot of options as to quality; certainly not the selection there was in the old days. There isn't too much 'automatic' about the process. You have to learn to use a sound editor, and learn to burn the finished audio files to cd. This one shipped with a version of the open source Audacity, and some other app I can't remember. Face it, no matter how good it is, the old records are going to sound worse than modern digital music. My buddy is still worried about finding replacement cartridges for the darned thing, as I have yet to convince him that once he rips an album he'll never need to play the record again, and can just throw it away. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any recommendations for a turntable to convert vinyl to digital format? any that I should stay away from? want easy, fast; don't want to have to tinker with. but, i don't want hum or other bad things. i'm no audiophile really! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
I bought a Crosley. If you enter crosley truntable into an amazon.com search you'll find a bunch of different ones. I bought the Crosley CR248 Songwriter CD Recorder. I haven't yet actually burned a CD with it, so I can't attest to the quality. But it looks and seems pretty strait forward. Jeff M On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Judy Cosler wrote: some of these are old, old jazz. I will look online, I guess. would be way easier! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
Face it, no matter how good it is, the old records are going to sound worse than modern digital music. you should post this comment on the Klipsch bb, where people pay a fortune for vynal, macintosch,marantz, crown and other tube components. 1960 turntables are worshipped. large horn speakers are a life within themselves. they may send the tone of death down the ether to you. the macs of sound. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
some of these are old, old jazz. I will look online, I guess. would be way easier! Some things to consider, are these 78s? If so this may be more difficult than it first appears. Even if they're all LPs, how many do you have to digitize? Are the equivalents available on CD (I ask because these are often available as remasters which can sound much better than the original CD issues)? These questions have a bearing on how I'd answer this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable? revised
I recently sent a link to the turntable I bought from Crosley. I was wrong. It's actually this one, Songwriter CD Burner / Player with Turntable Cassette Player. It's the same model number, but includes the cassette player. The one I sent earlier didn't include the cassette player. Jeff M On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Judy Cosler wrote: some of these are old, old jazz. I will look online, I guess. would be way easier! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
tell more! I have old turntable, vinyl, speakers, tuner, reel-to-reel.where is tHE Klipsch bb? off to look! gerald wrote: Face it, no matter how good it is, the old records are going to sound worse than modern digital music. you should post this comment on the Klipsch bb, where people pay a fortune for vynal, macintosch,marantz, crown and other tube components. 1960 turntables are worshipped. large horn speakers are a life within themselves. they may send the tone of death down the ether to you. the macs of sound. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
Klipsch speakers at one time were made in Hope, AR. I worked there (City not factory) for a short time. The owner (Paul Kilipsch) drive a Mercedes around town and so did his wife with personalized license plates. The CEO drove a Rolls around town with the personalized license plate Heresy. The story told me, was that Paul loved the corner speaker and only thought large horn speakers could do sound properly. When they brought in the new CEO, he told Paul we need to make a book shelf speaker. Paul looked at him and said it was heresy to make a bookshelf speaker, so guess what the first line of book shelf speakers was named? Like I said this might be apocryphal or not. Stewart At 04:29 PM 12/3/2008, you wrote: you should post this comment on the Klipsch bb, where people pay a fortune for vynal, macintosch,marantz, crown and other tube components. 1960 turntables are worshipped. large horn speakers are a life within themselves. they may send the tone of death down the ether to you. the macs of sound. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] slide converter
On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Judy Cosler wrote: want easy, fast 35mm slide to digital format converter. i have 1s of slides! any suggestions for best way A slide scanner. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:28 PM, Judy Cosler wrote: any recommendations for a turntable to convert vinyl to digital format? any that I should stay away from? want easy, fast; don't want to have to tinker with. but, i don't want hum or other bad things. i'm no audiophile really! I use a real turntable, an old school one, hooked up to a stereo amplifier and couple that to my USB port using a Griffin iMic by using the tape outputs of the stereo amp. Griffin has some free software that allows any old school turntable to connect directly to the iMic, providing proper equalization to the audio signal with the need for having to go through a stereo amp or preamp in order to achieve said equalization. I just do not like their software as it is not very controllable or flexible enough for my taste. There are USB turntables available, but I do not know how good their cartridges are. That is why I use my old stereo component turntable, because it has a very high quality cartridge. Perhaps one can put any cartridge of their choice into a modern USB turntable, I just don't know. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital Media Streamers/Receivers
Anyone have any suggestions or experience with these? Thanks! Seth Hi Seth, I've had success using the Roku Soundbridge in a similar setup. You could install the included Firefly Media Server software on your network attached storage drive and it will serve up DRM free music files to the Soundbridge. I have not been able to use iTunes purchases, even the iTunes + supposedly DRM free files, through my Soundbridge until I burned them to CD and then ripped them back onto my server as MP3 files. Here's a link: http://www.roku.com/products_soundbridge.php -- “Sous le ceil tout etoile” John Settle Personal Webpage: Urban Astro Images http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjs-cts/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
On Dec 3, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Klipsch speakers at one time were made in Hope, AR. I worked there (City not factory) for a short time. The owner (Paul Kilipsch) drive a Mercedes around town and so did his wife with personalized license plates. The CEO drove a Rolls around town with the personalized license plate Heresy. The story told me, was that Paul loved the corner speaker and only thought large horn speakers could do sound properly. When they brought in the new CEO, he told Paul we need to make a book shelf speaker. Paul looked at him and said it was heresy to make a bookshelf speaker, so guess what the first line of book shelf speakers was named? Like I said this might be apocryphal or not. I knew Mr. Klipsch, and rode in that Rolls Royce a couple of times. He also flew airplanes, and while I never flew with him, my father did, and was always leery of doing so because Mr. Klipsch wore these big, thick glasses. Not exactly comforting as a passenger in his plane. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Vibe Streamer ??
Anybody have experience with the program Vibe Streamer? I'm looking to stream a directory of mp3's onto a local area network. Most of this would go over the wireless portion of the network , so some built in security would be nice, though not vital, as the network is about as secure as i can get it. Both the server and the client would be xp pro. Comments? Suggestions? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
I will look online, I guess. Start here: http://www.needledoctor.com/ If you get sticker shock go to turntables/usbturntables. That page contains an assortment of pretty much everything that's out there that will plug into a USB port. The cost/benefit numbers are not something you should overlook here. Also, if you are dealing with 78s you'll need a separate cartridge/stylus to track them correctly and of course a turntable that supports that speed. I went through this exercise a little while back and here's what I learned... I had a decent turntable and cartridge all ready, an AR XA with a Shure V15 mk. V. I wasn't going to improve on that much so I replaced the belt on the turntable, checked the arm geometry and the tracking force. Luckily I still had all the gauges. I all ready had a spare turntable mat which I threw on. I had my bubble level from back in the eighties. I was ready to roll, I jacked it in to my '80s NAD receiver, pulled out my Sennheisers and fired it up. It sounded great, the only vinyl I had on hand was a secondhand shop copy of Dry Dreams (1982, Jim Carroll Band). This has never to my knowledge been released on CD, it is available on MP3...but I admit I'm an audiophile. So on to the digitization. I used Audacity and connected the line outs on the NAD to my sound board. After some assing around it worked. Far too much fooling around, though, I have a rather extensive LP collection as well as a few tapes that I wanted to digitize. I wanted a simpler solution, what I really wanted was a device that would make a Red Book CD out of an LP or tape in one shot so I could simply rip the CD to my hard drive in 44 kHz format and save the CD as the archival backup. I also needed to introduce a dbx compander into the audio path on the tape digitizations since most of the tapes were dbx compressed (I had the dbx device). I needed a tape deck, but my last Nak died in 1990. So I got one of these: http://www.tascam.com/products/cc-222mkiii;9,34,11,14.html This was well before the recession, ha ha. But it works as advertised and does exactly what I wanted. Track detection is excellent on LPs and fair to good on tapes, threshold adjustable. Once it's set up properly (and it takes a while to master, it is not a simple machine) it will crank out Red Book CD copies of whatever you put on the turntable or in the cassette slot. However...it's a nice machine. But you can only digitize in real time, not a problem if you only have a few items. But then why spend the money (unless you just like cool things). When I realized that most of the stuff (not all) that I was digitizing was all ready available on (mostly) remastered CDs at $10.00 a pop that sounded (mostly) better and often included bonus tracks it was an easy decision. I can rip a CD in lossless format in about 2 minutes And I can put the CD back in its box and store it as backup. The break even point is about 100 CDs, but it's really more because of the time factor. Just some variables to consider. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
Not necessarily. I haven't tried it myself, but couldn't you use a standard USB turntable at 33 or 45 rpm and correct the sound via editing I wonder? Of course, that would only fix the speed and pitch. The horrendous clicks, hiss, and skips would be impossible to eliminate. FWIW, I gave away all my LPs nearly 10 years ago, after ripping only one of them. Waaay too much trouble. Also, if you are dealing with 78s you'll need a separate cartridge/stylus to track them correctly and of course a turntable that supports that speed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
some of these are old, old jazz. I will look online, I guess. would be way easier! I had a couple Swimming Pool Q's and Scruffy the Cat albums (definitely not jazz) I bought off eBay, but was waiting to get an Ion to rip them. This was music that the labels never recorded to CD and my old cassettes were long dead, stripped of their oxide coating. A quick search found high-quality rips of these albums online on music blogs. This is now my new found obsession. I've found much of other types of out-of-print/hard-to-find music this way over the past couple of months. Some good 80's alternative, alt-country, cow-punk and some incredible modern instro-surf stuff too. I'm a happy boy now. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital Media Streamers/Receivers
...I power it by plugging into a DC to AC converter, and added an antenna... It's an *AC to DC* converter. Looks like a cigarette lighter without the car. NewerTech makes one 120v-12v. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
Not necessarily. I haven't tried it myself, but couldn't you use a standard USB turntable at 33 or 45 rpm and correct the sound via editing I wonder? The groove width and angle differ between LPs and 78s. That's why you had flippable styli on phonographs of the transition period. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LP to CD turntable?
One was good, the other three were horrible - lots of hisses and pops. Surface noise and dynamic range were killers to LPs. You could knock out a lot of the surface noise with proper care. Use of a Discwasher, antistatic mats and lined sleeves went a long way. Quality pressings and vertical storage could minimize warpage. Proper tracking force, arm geometry, antiskating, etc and of course high quality equipment. Most people didn't do any of this, of course. Dynamic range was always a limitation. This is where CDs should have shined, and properly mastered new ones do. The early CDs sounded bright and harsh because of two major factors, the recording engineers didn't understand how to master without RIAA equalization which was nescessary on LPs nut not on CDs. A lot of early CDs were simply direct transfers from compressed and equalized analog masters. The other reason they sounded bad was that the DACs in the players themselves were not exactly ready for prime time. What the LP/analog format is capable of is I guess best (or most easily/accessibly) illustrated by Phil Collins' In the Air Tonight from the Face Value album. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Air_Tonight I believe that was an analog master, but I'm open to correction. It was an eye-opener on a good system. Dire Strait's Brothers in Arms was the first DDD album. It was RIAA equalized as I recall for the LP version but the CD was the first to really push the medium's dynamic range to its full potential. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothers_in_Arms_(album) Awesome, if you like that sort of stuff. The perennial problem with CDs is that even if you correct for the DAC capability issues, the jitter artifacts, stc., some people will still say that they don't sound as good as (good) LPs because the sampling rate is too low. Analog doesn't have a sampling rate issue, of course. Does what you get in dynamic range and freedom from noise offset perceived sampling rate harshness even after jitter and DAC bandwidth issues have been corrected? I don't know, but that's what the analog vs digital debate is all about. There is no question that digital is more convenient. But there are a whole lot of people listening to MP3s out there that can't imagine what music can sound like in either an ideal digital OR analog form. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
