Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
I signed up for the free two weeks...basically five bux a month for unlimited music...can't beat that with a stick. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Why has every attempt to date at selling such a subscription service been a flop You might mention this to Rhapsody. They don't seem to be aware that they have flopped. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I am humbled... http://gizmodo.com/5256174/new-zune-ad-obliterated-because-you-know-its -stupid * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
So, I guess the cons/neocons don't say Better dead than Red! anymore? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I may have mixed up my colors, ... Yeah, I do that too. It's the exact opposite of what you'd expect as far as the colors' symbolism. Blue is liberal and red is conservative. To make it even more confusing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectionMapPurpleCounty.jpg * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
It appears that this model is not very strong: http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/05/the-new-new-napster-intros-5m onth-streaming-5-downloads.ars Ars reports that Napster, now part of Best Buy, is selling similar (streaming) for $5/month, with 5 DRM-free d/l. They give it a yawn... Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to? Anyone ever paid for XM/Sirius? What's the difference? (Well, other than that with Zune Pass you get to pick the music, you get to keep some of it permanently, and you don't have to buy special equipment to do it.) Or how about Rhapsody? It's about the same price as ZP but you don't get to keep ANY of the music. Or, here's a different way to look at it. The average price of a CD is probably about $15 and contains about 10 tracks. For the same $15, Zune Pass gives you one CD's worth of music PLUS unlimited access to the entire library. And the CD is custom--you pick the artists and the cuts. Are you guys really trying to say that this is a bad deal? If so, can you come up with any rational reason to say that other than it's an MS service? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
No, I just never liked the idea of renting, unless I really did want to leave the rental behind after a short period of time. No XM/Sirius for me, either and I don't pay for TV. I save most of my salary, spend only after careful consideration. I am mostly conservative with my money and avoid monthly obligations for anything. I will be very happy to finally pay off my shrinking mortgage; my only debt. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to? Anyone ever paid for XM/Sirius? What's the difference? (Well, other than that with Zune Pass you get to pick the music, you get to keep some of it permanently, and you don't have to buy special equipment to do it.) Or how about Rhapsody? It's about the same price as ZP but you don't get to keep ANY of the music. Or, here's a different way to look at it. The average price of a CD is probably about $15 and contains about 10 tracks. For the same $15, Zune Pass gives you one CD's worth of music PLUS unlimited access to the entire library. And the CD is custom--you pick the artists and the cuts. Are you guys really trying to say that this is a bad deal? If so, can you come up with any rational reason to say that other than it's an MS service? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: If you still think Like Mac = Liberal then you have not been paying attention on this forum. Well, if this were actually true, MS's 90% market share (or whatever it is) would mean that ~90% of the electorate is conservative, which makes the results of the last election somewhat surprising. Wait just a minute. A huge percentage of computers sold with the Windows OS installed are in business and government offices. It is quite possible that most Windows machines are not owned by individuals. I do not think that one can equate the number of Windows-based computers with the number of conservative voters versus liberal voters. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
No, I just never liked the idea of renting, unless I really did want to leave the rental behind after a short period of time. No XM/Sirius for me, either and I don't pay for TV. That's fine, Mark, but it's a far cry from Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to?, isn't it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels
Anyone ever notice how every so often a DTV channel assignment will shift from displaying the channel number to displaying the channel frequency instead? For instance, yesterday DTV Channel 4 in the Washington DC metro area would not come up as Channel 4, but rather as Channel 48, which is actually its current assigned frequency, not its channel number. Channel 4, which is how it should display on screen and in the menu had disappeared, replaced by the UHF frequency assignment of Channel 48. I have seen this happen with other channels as well. I do not know if these are unresolved glitches or intentional in nature, but is can be very confusing for viewers. FWIW, I checked this on two different receiver brands, both with the same result. As of this morning, WRC, Channel 4 is back to displaying and identifying itself as Channel 4, not Channel 48. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
Wait just a minute. A huge percentage of computers sold with the Windows OS installed are in business and government offices. It is quite possible that most Windows machines are not owned by individuals. Well, I don't know about that. The vast majority of people I know use PCs at home. My daughter's class, for example, conducted a survey at the beginning of the school year and the result was something like 8:1 (I think it was 25 PC households and 3 Mac households), which comports pretty well with the overall PC/Mac market share. No, I don't have any numbers to back this up; it's just my own experience. I do not think that one can equate the number of Windows-based computers with the number of conservative voters versus liberal voters. I don't think so either, and that was really my point. All I'm getting at is that I don't believe we can say Liberals use Macs and conservatives use PCs. That perception may be a side effect of the image created by Apple's marketing (cool people are always liberal, of course), but I'd be surprised if it has any basis in reality. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels
The old channel numbers are now just a label. That label will stick with the stations; although, the transmission channel used may be something else. 4 is in the low section of the VHF band and will not be used for Digital TV after July. The actual transmission channels will be 7 and above. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:56 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Anyone ever notice how every so often a DTV channel assignment will shift from displaying the channel number to displaying the channel frequency instead? For instance, yesterday DTV Channel 4 in the Washington DC metro area would not come up as Channel 4, but rather as Channel 48, which is actually its current assigned frequency, not its channel number. Channel 4, which is how it should display on screen and in the menu had disappeared, replaced by the UHF frequency assignment of Channel 48. I have seen this happen with other channels as well. I do not know if these are unresolved glitches or intentional in nature, but is can be very confusing for viewers. FWIW, I checked this on two different receiver brands, both with the same result. As of this morning, WRC, Channel 4 is back to displaying and identifying itself as Channel 4, not Channel 48. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
I think Chris is correct on this. I have met many conservatives who use Macs, liberals who use PCs and vice-versa. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- All I'm getting at is that I don't believe we can say Liberals use Macs and conservatives use PCs. That perception may be a side effect of the image created by Apple's marketing (cool people are always liberal, of course), but I'd be surprised if it has any basis in reality. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Not to me, Chris; I think of both as wasting money. No rented music for me, thank you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No, I just never liked the idea of renting, unless I really did want to leave the rental behind after a short period of time. No XM/Sirius for me, either and I don't pay for TV. That's fine, Mark, but it's a far cry from Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to?, isn't it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: All I'm getting at is that I don't believe we can say Liberals use Macs and conservatives use PCs. That perception may be a side effect of the image created by Apple's marketing (cool people are always liberal, of course), but I'd be surprised if it has any basis in reality. Here is a dose of reality. A fellow I know works in one of the FAA offices located in Washington DC. He is an FAA inspector who evaluates pilots. I guess there are about 20 or so guys, all self-described jocks, who share his office. They all use Windows machines at work, and they all use Windows machines at home for their personal use, and always have. They are all ex-military, except for one, and they are all described as being quite conservative, and they all apparently voted for someone other than Obama. This fellow I know told me last week that about half the workers in his office are, to one degree or another, interested in switching to Macs for their home computer. The reason? They perceive Macs to be of higher quality than most Windows machines, albeit more expensive. They are willing to spend more for a higher quality product so they say. But, they all want to be able to run Windows on any Mac they might buy. If Macs could not run Windows, they would not be nearly as interested, if at all. They are not really interested in Mac software, though they are curious about some of those products as well as the OS itself. They also want to be able to better avoid viruses, malware, etc., contracted from the internet. They do realize they will have to be using the Mac side to accomplish that. Essentially, these guys assume that they will still be primarily Windows users, but want to run their Windows apps on a Macintosh. Distinctions are beginning to become a bit blurred. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:21 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: The old channel numbers are now just a label. That label will stick with the stations; although, the transmission channel used may be something else. 4 is in the low section of the VHF band and will not be used for Digital TV after July. The actual transmission channels will be 7 and above. I understand that. I do remain curious as to why the channel numbers, i.e., Channel 4 will sometimes disappear to be replaced by the frequency assignment number, and then revert back a short while later. Channel 4, WRC, is currently on UHF channel 48 and will remain there after June 12. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Are you guys really trying to say that this is a bad deal? If so, can you come up with any rational reason to say that other than it's an MS service? I recall that in the past this company has launched subscrption services and then withdrawn them, leaving subscribers high and dry. Is that why you want to exclude consideration of the provider from our valuation of the service? I do not spend anything like $180/year for music. The CD I'm playing at the moment was purchased about 10 years ago. Checking online I see the list price for this boxed set is $71. I probably paid a bit less, I don't remember. It has 54 tracks, so I guess the Zune price is $81. So the Zune cost is higher by at least $10. At 10 tracks per month I would have to accumulate these tracks over 6 months, assuming I only get these tracks (what a pain!). Do the Zune free tracks roll-over if I don't take my 10 tracks every month? What I have on the CD is of higher quality and they can't take it away from me. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
I would be humbled, too, if I had read your little cartoon and didn't notice that it was lying. You didn't get the joke. Actually I'm a bit surprised at the generally hostile press/blogosphere reaction to this ad. I think the false notes struck by the Laptop Hunters ads has poisoned the well for M$ to some extent. Do consumers just expect that M$ will be lying? And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s filling their iPod is so ridiculous. M$ is digging a hole for itself. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
At 7:50 AM -0400 5/19/09, Chris Dunford wrote: ... Or how about Rhapsody? It's about the same price as ZP but you don't get to keep ANY of the music. Unless you happen to have a copy of AudioHijackPro. ;-) -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s filling their iPod is so ridiculous. Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music device legally without spending a whole bunch of money? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Similiar? The zune pass isn't streaming. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: It appears that this model is not very strong: http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/05/the-new-new-napster-intros-5m onth-streaming-5-downloads.arshttp://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/05/the-new-new-napster-intros-5m%0Aonth-streaming-5-downloads.ars Ars reports that Napster, now part of Best Buy, is selling similar (streaming) for $5/month, with 5 DRM-free d/l. They give it a yawn... Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Every year we buy a 'pass' to a local wild life zoo...I see the subscription based music services similiar to that. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Not to me, Chris; I think of both as wasting money. No rented music for me, thank you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No, I just never liked the idea of renting, unless I really did want to leave the rental behind after a short period of time. No XM/Sirius for me, either and I don't pay for TV. That's fine, Mark, but it's a far cry from Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to?, isn't it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
The CD I'm playing at the moment was purchased about 10 years ago. Checking online I see the list price for this boxed set is $71. I probably paid a bit less, I don't remember. It has 54 tracks, so I guess the Zune price is $81. So the Zune cost is higher by at least $10. At 10 tracks per month I would have to accumulate these tracks over 6 months, assuming I only get these tracks (what a pain!). This makes no sense. If you wanted the whole thing, and right away, you'd just buy the tracks. And the price per track isn't $1.50, it's 99c, so it would cost $53.46, not $81. That's $17.54 less than the CD list price. What I have on the CD is of higher quality and they can't take it away from me. The discussion is about online music, not CDs. And if you either bought the tracks or collected them using your monthly allotment, they can't take those away from you, either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
You don't. Tom is walking around with his zune and one cd he bought ten years ago On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s filling their iPod is so ridiculous. Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music device legally without spending a whole bunch of money? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Do you buy (or rent) software to fill your computer's disk drive? Surely you don't, and I do not try to fill my iPod, either. That misses the point. I buy music that pleases me. Music I will want to hear again. Not just to fill up a storage device. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s filling their iPod is so ridiculous. Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music device legally without spending a whole bunch of money? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
That misses the point. I buy music that pleases me. Music I will want to hear again. Not just to fill up a storage device. My iPod's drive was too small to hold all the music I had accumulated over the years. Then I had to go back and delete stuff to make room for the free podcasts. Then I got free iTunes and Amazon tracks with Pepsi Points. Both iTunes and Amazon have lots of free tracks. Various artists post tracks on their websites. Etc. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music device legally without spending a whole bunch of money? It is not a music device. It is a media device. I can fill it with music videos, video podcasts, movies, etc. New TVs come with iPod docks so I can play all this content on their big screens. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
The CD I'm playing at the moment was purchased about 10 years ago. Checking online I see the list price for this boxed set is $71. I probably paid a bit less, I don't remember. Amazon says my $71 boxed set is out of print, but lists a thrid-party seller willing to sell one to me for $142. Question: Will my MP3s appreciate in value too? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Kindle Sighting
I saw my first passenger reading on a Kindle today on the Metro. Will this be a trend? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
This makes no sense. If you wanted the whole thing, and right away, you'd just buy the tracks. And the price per track isn't $1.50, it's 99c, so it would cost $53.46, not $81. That's $17.54 less than the CD list price. Would the $53.46 get credited against the $15/month or would I still have to pay that additionally? $53.46 + $15 = $68.46. Do my monthly free tracks roll over or do they become lost? Instead of 99¢ I could probably find it at 79¢ or 69¢ or less if I shopped around. But locked in with a monthly fee do you think I would stop exploring and instead buy all my music at an overpriced store? The discussion is about online music, not CDs. Why not?! Are CDs not a delivery vehicle for Music too? Are we back to the old game of excluding all the good choices until we only have the choice you are promoting? And if you either bought the tracks or collected them using your monthly allotment, they can't take those away from you, either. Isn't it true that in the past when their DRM servers got deactivated, the subscribers lost all the music they thought they had paid for? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Would the $53.46 get credited against the $15/month or would I still have to pay that additionally? $53.46 + $15 = $68.46. No. You can't add the $15 to the price because that pays for your 10 OTHER free tracks plus access to the entire library. Or get 10 of the tracks for nothing and only buy the remaining 44 or whatever. Come on, use your head. Do my monthly free tracks roll over or do they become lost? No, they don't roll over. Instead of 99¢ I could probably find it at 79¢ or 69¢ or less if I shopped around. But locked in with a monthly fee do you think I would stop exploring and instead buy all my music at an overpriced store? Look, I'm not trying to force you to use the damn thing. For some people it's a good choice. For others it's not. Ask your doctor if Zune Pass is right for you. It depends entirely on what you want. The discussion is about online music, not CDs. Why not?! Are CDs not a delivery vehicle for Music too? Are we back to the old game of excluding all the good choices until we only have the choice you are promoting? Because the guy asked about an online service, that's why. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels
On Tue, 19 May 2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:21 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: The old channel numbers are now just a label. That label will stick with the stations; although, the transmission channel used may be something else. 4 is in the low section of the VHF band and will not be used for Digital TV after July. The actual transmission channels will be 7 and above. I understand that. I do remain curious as to why the channel numbers, i.e., Channel 4 will sometimes disappear to be replaced by the frequency assignment number, and then revert back a short while later. Channel 4, WRC, is currently on UHF channel 48 and will remain there after June 12. As I understand it, the label is a piece of data carried inside the digital TV signal. If your TV sees this label data, it will display it. Presumably, the data may have been missing or corrupted at times, and so your TV just displayed the channel number that would normally be at that frequency (i.e. UHF/48). That's just my guess, though. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting
Pardon my ignorance,but what is a Kindle? Tom Piwowar wrote: I saw my first passenger reading on a Kindle today on the Metro. Will this be a trend? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting
A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break when you fall asleep reading and drop them : )) Richard P. I saw my first passenger reading on a Kindle today on the Metro. Will this be a trend? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Michael Drabick m.drab...@hdhcci.comwrote: Pardon my ignorance,but what is a Kindle? Amazon's eBook reader. A great looking gadget with a price about 3X too much. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00154JDAI/?tag=googhydr-20hvadid=ref=pd_sl_177pa6cuyf_e -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote: A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break when you fall asleep reading and drop them : )) I think the real boon will be the Kindle DX as the portable text book of choice. I used to carry around 40 lbs of text books. Anything that would let me carry them all and have older references would have been a back saver. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s filling their iPod is so ridiculous. Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music device legally without spending a whole bunch of money? I converted my CD collection to mp3 which netted about 50GB. The rest of my 80GB is audio books and podcasts. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe
AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe during today's scan. It found it in a junk file where I put all of the programs that came with the computer that I don't intend on using. It also found it in an Application Data folder. AVG says it is a Trojan horse SHeur2.AGFP Does anyone know if this is a false positive or is it something to get rid of? Thanks in advance. WinXP, SP3 Richard P. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe
AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe during today's scan. It found it in a junk file where I put all of the programs that came with the computer that I don't intend on using. It also found it in an Application Data folder. AVG says it is a Trojan horse SHeur2.AGFP Does anyone know if this is a false positive or is it something to get rid of? False positive. It's a utility that's supposed to scan your drivers and download updates if necessary. Never used it, so I don't know if it's any good, but it's not malware. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting
I can see that would be a great use for them, especially if the electronic books would allow the updating of technical error corrections. Richard P. A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break when you fall asleep reading and drop them : )) I think the real boon will be the Kindle DX as the portable text book of choice. I used to carry around 40 lbs of text books. Anything that would let me carry them all and have older references would have been a back saver. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe
Thanks for the feedback. To my knowledge, I've never used it either. It is a comfort to know that it is not going to take over my machine in the middle of the night and make life a living . Richard P. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: AVG found Touchstone Software driveragent_488.exe during today's scan. It found it in a junk file where I put all of the programs that came with the computer that I don't intend on using. It also found it in an Application Data folder. AVG says it is a Trojan horse SHeur2.AGFP Does anyone know if this is a false positive or is it something to get rid of? False positive. It's a utility that's supposed to scan your drivers and download updates if necessary. Never used it, so I don't know if it's any good, but it's not malware. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
I've been doing a lot of traveling lately. I've been using many airports and ferries. I've also been paying attention to the laptops people are using. While I know the Mac market share is approaching 10% I found it strange the about 50% of the laptops I saw where Macs. Could be Mac users just like to travel more? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
I work at a community college. Well over half the laptops I see students sitting around with are Macs. ISTR reading a year ago that Macs dominated the market for college age student/family purchased (as opposed to college issued - there are some that do) laptops were Macs. In my social circle (a rather eclectic bunch) I can't recall the last time (it was over two years ago, that much I know) I saw someone take out a laptop at an event or party where it was not a Mac. Many of them also have desktop PC's as gamer machines or older ones converted to linux. As a pure anecdote at our local rec league soccer signup two weekends ago they had a pair of Macs running Bento tied into a roving registrar with a Bento app on his iPhone taking the registrations. In previous years it was all manual. Matthew On May 19, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've been doing a lot of traveling lately. I've been using many airports and ferries. I've also been paying attention to the laptops people are using. While I know the Mac market share is approaching 10% I found it strange the about 50% of the laptops I saw where Macs. Could be Mac users just like to travel more? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
I fill my iPod with primarily Podcasts (they are FREE). I don't think I've spent $50 in the last 4 years on music from the iTunes store. All my music is legal downloads or from CD/cassettes/LPs that I own. Steve Chris Dunford wrote: And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s filling their iPod is so ridiculous. Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music device legally without spending a whole bunch of money? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
I think it goes to show that everyone has their own likes. I have no problem with that. I just visited Victoria Canada and would buy a years pass to the Buchart Gardens. On the other hand I probably own 30 music CDs. I have friends who own hundreds. I own maybe 5 movies on DVD. My mother owns hundreds. I subscribe to Netflix. I rarely watch movies more then once or twice. The music I like I buy on CD and put into iTunes, but rarely listen to it. The music off the standard radio in the car is all I really want. So my feeling is, if it works for you, good for you. Jeff M On May 19, 2009, at 8:42 AM, mike wrote: Every year we buy a 'pass' to a local wild life zoo...I see the subscription based music services similiar to that. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Not to me, Chris; I think of both as wasting money. No rented music for me, thank you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No, I just never liked the idea of renting, unless I really did want to leave the rental behind after a short period of time. No XM/ Sirius for me, either and I don't pay for TV. That's fine, Mark, but it's a far cry from Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to?, isn't it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
In an early post talk about comparing services. I think it should be noted that Zune Pass lets you keep 10 downloads a month, iTunes offers free downloads each week (mind, you can only download what they are offering for free). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Chris, I may not be a doctor, but take a chill pill. I see the discussion as to the differences between service and which service is right for you. To do this fairly you need to look at all the costs of each service. Somebody mentioned a service similar to Zune Pass but only $5 a month (you only got to keep 5 downloads each month). If that is true then that would be a better deal for me than Zune Pass, but not as good as iTunes (as I said in an earlier post I've spent $50 in the last 4 years on iTunes). Does Zune pass over anything other than music? Podcasts? Movies? Games? Chris Dunford wrote: Look, I'm not trying to force you to use the damn thing. For some people it's a good choice. For others it's not. Ask your doctor if Zune Pass is right for you. It depends entirely on what you want. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels
As I understand it, the label is a piece of data carried inside the digital TV signal. If your TV sees this label data, it will display it. Presumably, the data may have been missing or corrupted at times, and so your TV just displayed the channel number that would normally be at that frequency (i.e. UHF/48). That's just my guess, though. There is a lot of information that is supposed to be carried inside the digital TV signal. It's a FCC requirement. I've noticed that sometimes it is missing. Some stations, like WHUT in DC, seem to never include it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
It would be a better deal for some, but the 5 dollar deal is only streaming music...no device support, nothing kept local. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Stephen Brownfield steveei...@verizon.netwrote: Chris, I may not be a doctor, but take a chill pill. I see the discussion as to the differences between service and which service is right for you. To do this fairly you need to look at all the costs of each service. Somebody mentioned a service similar to Zune Pass but only $5 a month (you only got to keep 5 downloads each month). If that is true then that would be a better deal for me than Zune Pass, but not as good as iTunes (as I said in an earlier post I've spent $50 in the last 4 years on iTunes). Does Zune pass over anything other than music? Podcasts? Movies? Games? Chris Dunford wrote: Look, I'm not trying to force you to use the damn thing. For some people it's a good choice. For others it's not. Ask your doctor if Zune Pass is right for you. It depends entirely on what you want. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
While I know the Mac market share is approaching 10% I found it strange the about 50% of the laptops I saw where Macs. Could be Mac users just like to travel more? Mac fans have said for many years that market share figures are slanted in favor of Windows because surverys measure the wrong thing. For one, Macs stay in service about twice as long as PCs so there two times more of them in use than the market share numbers suggest. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
No, they don't roll over. Not good. There goes M$ again, cramming things down our throats even when we don't want them. Haven't they seen those clever ads about rollover minutes? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs error
When I right click on a link that turns out to be dead... and tell it to open in a new tab, it opens up a Can't find this page message... on every open window I have. I do have this happen from time to time, especially when I click on a string of news links from a news site. I have these open in a string of tabs so the pages will be fully loaded by the time I flip to them. When I later reload the dead pages they usually turns out to be fine. So I think this is more likely a DNS response problem, not a browser problem. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Well anyone that would find it hard to buy ten songs a month...who bought into a service because they love getting new music, must have other issues we can't cover here without multiple therapists On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: No, they don't roll over. Not good. There goes M$ again, cramming things down our throats even when we don't want them. Haven't they seen those clever ads about rollover minutes? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
I may not be a doctor, but take a chill pill. I see the discussion as to the differences between service and which service is right for you. To do this fairly you need to look at all the costs of each service. Sorry. I couldn't agree more with deciding which service is right for you, and that's exactly what I said. Certain people, however, have a habit of substituting their personal preferences for actual criticism. I don't use my iPod that way, and anyone who does is stupid. It gets annoying after a while. Somebody mentioned a service similar to Zune Pass but only $5 a month (you only got to keep 5 downloads each month). If that is true then that would be a better deal for me than Zune Pass, but not as good as iTunes (as I said in an earlier post I've spent $50 in the last 4 years on iTunes). The $5 service (Napster) is different. Except for the 5 downloads a month, it's just streaming audio, i.e., you can't put anything on an iPod or whatever. Does Zune pass over anything other than music? Podcasts? Movies? Games? Zune Pass is a music service. Zune Marketplace has videos (movies are apparently in the pipeline), but they aren't covered by Zune Pass. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Well anyone that would find it hard to buy ten songs a month...who bought into a service because they love getting new music, must have other issues we can't cover here without multiple therapists Some months I can easily contemplate not hearing 10 new songs worth keeping. M$ tends to be a favorite of the indiscriminate. No? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? Please provide irrefutable evidence of your existence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
I AM. Therefore I exist. Stewart At 07:30 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote: And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? Please provide irrefutable evidence of your existence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Fwd: WSJ TECHNOLOGY ALERT: Microsoft Expected to Unveil New Search Engine
Reply-To: do-not-re...@marketwatchmail.com Subject: WSJ TECHNOLOGY ALERT: Microsoft Expected to Unveil New Search Engine Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:49:07 -0400 To: f...@his.com From: WSJ.com Editors acc...@interactive.wsj.com __ Technology Alert from The Wall Street Journal Microsoft is expected to show a new version of its Internet search engine next week, in a renewed effort by the company to compete against Google. The Redmond, Wash., company plans to demonstrate its new search engine publicly for the first time at D: All Things Digital, a technology put on by the Wall Street Journal. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277247382836561.html#mod=djemalertTECH * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: How are you seeing this? When I press 4 on my DTV converter's remote I get NBC in DC. Do you have to press 48 to see NBC? When you press the next and previus channel buttons do you not get the stations in the usual order? I'm not seeing anything like this. I only see this on occasion, perhaps about three or four times over the past year, though it likely happens more often than that but I do not witness it. As you say, when I press 4 om my remote, I get NBC as do you. However, the other day, when I had left the tuner set to channel 4 when I turned it off, it displayed 48 when I turned it back on, and it was receiving NBC. 4 had completely disappeared from my tuner, replaced by 48. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Shifting DTV channels
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Vicky Staubly vi...@steeds.com wrote: As I understand it, the label is a piece of data carried inside the digital TV signal. If your TV sees this label data, it will display it. Presumably, the data may have been missing or corrupted at times, and so your TV just displayed the channel number that would normally be at that frequency (i.e. UHF/48). That's just my guess, though. I think you are entirely correct, and that is the explanation I was leaning toward as well. I just hope this does not happen often in the future. There are already enough issues with DTV as it is. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting
A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break when you fall asleep reading and drop them : )) Paperbacks don't break when they get wet either, or when they get sand or dirt inside. I like to read books, then trade them with someone else who has a good book. I don't care if I leave one on the train, plane or bus. I can get another one cheaply. I like to dog-ear and write on pages. I hope the electronic Kindle, and the like, doesn't replace printed books. It will be a great loss to readers, and we do need more readers. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I AM. Therefore I exist. I think therefore I am, I think. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
