Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:54 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Who would attack and how? What software and hardware would be shut down by a cyber attack anyway? There have been reports of exploits in the power grid. I happen to be very fond of electricity, The phone system has been vulnerable to attacks in the distant past. I hope air traffic control is off the net. The film _Live Free and Die Hard_ had the terrorists messing with internet controlled systems. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?
Isn't that just handing victory to the attacker? Isn't the attacker trying to limit Internet access so that commerce and banking shut down? I can't do my banking because my Internet access is denied during an emergency. Retailers lose all their business because their potential customers can't read the advertising? Fred Holmes At 10:36 AM 2/25/2010, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds lIke a case could be made not to implement any expansion of internet access, and even to curtail, limit or eliminate a lot of what already exists. I'd have to think that were any evidence to come to light that a cyber attack was occurring, that internet access would be shut down for all but necessary systems. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: Isn't that just handing victory to the attacker? Isn't the attacker trying to limit Internet access so that commerce and banking shut down? I can't do my banking because my Internet access is denied during an emergency. Retailers lose all their business because their potential customers can't read the advertising? I am most certainly not advocating anything such as limiting internet expansion or the ability to access it. There could be calls from some quarters to limit access to the system if it were to come under attack and if that attack would be aided by the internet remaining wide open. Who knows what kind of cyber attack could be launched, what it would entail or how it would be implemented? Hey, just yesterday I was informed by the credit card fraud squad that my card had been compromised and that a bunch of stuff related to accessories for BMW automobiles had been purchased with my card number. That could only have happened through my use of that card on the internet as that was the one and only manner in which I had ever used that particular card. Likely some hack into the files of an on-line retailer. I had not used that card in over six months and it was all paid off as well. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
This d...@#$d virus or trojan has been around for a while. This thing disguises itself as a Windows Firewall and even puts a pseudo Microsoft shield in the notification area. It takes over completely and won't let system restore run properly. I have had to do complete Windows reinstalls on several friends' computers. It hit mine, but I caught it in time and was able to do a system restore. I have not tried Bit Defender; if you can get it from another computer, try that first and you may not have to do the complete reinstall. I would strongly suggest trying to backup any irreplaceable files (photos, etc). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
*Very strange, so far, since turning computer on today (has now been on for about 10 minutes) having none of the problems from yesterday. How does this virus or trojan get around antivirus software and firewalls? Do you usually get it by visiting certain sites? if I need this, will reinstalling Windows take care of this problem? Is that easy to do? Maybe now I can launch Bitdefender. Thanks Randall * On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:13 AM, David D Odell waffenf...@atlanticbb.netwrote: This d...@#$d virus or trojan has been around for a while. This thing disguises itself as a Windows Firewall and even puts a pseudo Microsoft shield in the notification area. It takes over completely and won't let system restore run properly. I have had to do complete Windows reinstalls on several friends' computers. It hit mine, but I caught it in time and was able to do a system restore. I have not tried Bit Defender; if you can get it from another computer, try that first and you may not have to do the complete reinstall. I would strongly suggest trying to backup any irreplaceable files (photos, etc). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
It does it by getting you to click what you think are clean sites. Some sites get taken over by a Trojan very easily. Then when you think you are telling them no thanks on a pop up it catches you. They are very subtle and sneaky. This is a extortion attempt usually wanting you to buy their program to get rid of their Trojan. Stewart At 08:41 AM 2/26/2010, you wrote: *Very strange, so far, since turning computer on today (has now been on for about 10 minutes) having none of the problems from yesterday. How does this virus or trojan get around antivirus software and firewalls? Do you usually get it by visiting certain sites? if I need this, will reinstalling Windows take care of this problem? Is that easy to do? Maybe now I can launch Bitdefender. Thanks Randall Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
Yes, this is one of the nastiest ones out there. They come by many names and take a crowbar and blowtorch to remove. This is one of the reasons you keep good backups. XP wasn't as easy, but now running 7 I can reinstall a new OS in about 20 minutes...have most my programs I use installed in less than an hour. I keep an external drive with all my cd images I might want to install, I keep all my installers I've downloaded also on this drive along with any serials I have to enter. My mail is in the cloud, no backup needed...I keep my bookmarks synced with a firefox extension. I've refined my install process to using a USB thumb drive also..much faster than dvd. Yes it's a PITA to have to plan like this but like it or not this is windows, plan accordingly and it's no big deal. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: It does it by getting you to click what you think are clean sites. Some sites get taken over by a Trojan very easily. Then when you think you are telling them no thanks on a pop up it catches you. They are very subtle and sneaky. This is a extortion attempt usually wanting you to buy their program to get rid of their Trojan. Stewart At 08:41 AM 2/26/2010, you wrote: *Very strange, so far, since turning computer on today (has now been on for about 10 minutes) having none of the problems from yesterday. How does this virus or trojan get around antivirus software and firewalls? Do you usually get it by visiting certain sites? if I need this, will reinstalling Windows take care of this problem? Is that easy to do? Maybe now I can launch Bitdefender. Thanks Randall Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
*Why would it suddenly seem to be working okay? Should I assume that the virus is still lurking and try to get rid of it? Can they go dormant and reappear later?? So far, so good today, for entire morning. Randall * On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:51 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, this is one of the nastiest ones out there. They come by many names and take a crowbar and blowtorch to remove. This is one of the reasons you keep good backups. XP wasn't as easy, but now running 7 I can reinstall a new OS in about 20 minutes...have most my programs I use installed in less than an hour. I keep an external drive with all my cd images I might want to install, I keep all my installers I've downloaded also on this drive along with any serials I have to enter. My mail is in the cloud, no backup needed...I keep my bookmarks synced with a firefox extension. I've refined my install process to using a USB thumb drive also..much faster than dvd. Yes it's a PITA to have to plan like this but like it or not this is windows, plan accordingly and it's no big deal. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: It does it by getting you to click what you think are clean sites. Some sites get taken over by a Trojan very easily. Then when you think you are telling them no thanks on a pop up it catches you. They are very subtle and sneaky. This is a extortion attempt usually wanting you to buy their program to get rid of their Trojan. Stewart At 08:41 AM 2/26/2010, you wrote: *Very strange, so far, since turning computer on today (has now been on for about 10 minutes) having none of the problems from yesterday. How does this virus or trojan get around antivirus software and firewalls? Do you usually get it by visiting certain sites? if I need this, will reinstalling Windows take care of this problem? Is that easy to do? Maybe now I can launch Bitdefender. Thanks Randall Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
Different things can trigger them, you are not clean until you know you are clean. Throw the book at it and see what reaction you get. Stewart At 10:33 AM 2/26/2010, you wrote: *Why would it suddenly seem to be working okay? Should I assume that the virus is still lurking and try to get rid of it? Can they go dormant and reappear later?? So far, so good today, for entire morning. Randall Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?
At 08:12 AM 2/26/2010, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, just yesterday I was informed by the credit card fraud squad that my card had been compromised and that a bunch of stuff related to accessories for BMW automobiles had been purchased with my card number. That could only have happened through my use of that card on the internet as that was the one and only manner in which I had ever used that particular card. Likely some hack into the files of an on-line retailer. I had not used that card in over six months and it was all paid off as well. Steve Welcome to the club, Steve. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Thunmb Vs. DVD [Was: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!]
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: needed...I keep my bookmarks synced with a firefox extension. I've refined my install process to using a USB thumb drive also..much faster than dvd. Really? I thought USB was comparatively slow. Do you copy program installs from DVD to USB sticks? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Thunmb Vs. DVD [Was: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!]
I have all my installers on an internal one tb drive. I keep nothing on my os drive for very long, everything I keep is moved to another internal drive and mirrored with an external. On Feb 26, 2010 12:07 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: needed...I keep my bookmarks synced with a firefox extension. I've refined my install process to using a USB thumb drive also..much faster than dvd. Really? I thought USB was comparatively slow. Do you copy program installs from DVD to USB sticks? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
Yes, this is why I usually recommend formatting and installing the OS clean once any compromise takes place. I mean, who wants that nagging feeling that everything you type is being sent to east europeans? Of course, as has already been pointed out, this presupposes that you have a good backup strategy in place. But then if you don't, you're only screwing yourself, it's only a matter of when. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Ranbo ran...@gmail.com wrote: *Why would it suddenly seem to be working okay? Should I assume that the virus is still lurking and try to get rid of it? Can they go dormant and reappear later?? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?
On Feb 26, 2010, at 8:12 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, just yesterday I was informed by the credit card fraud squad that my card had been compromised and that a bunch of stuff related to accessories for BMW automobiles had been purchased with my card number. That could only have happened through my use of that card on the internet as that was the one and only manner in which I had ever used that particular card. We are extremely vulnerable because the Feds do not police the Internet. They are too busy eating donuts to go after botnets and spammers. So when something really bad happens they will not have the skills necessary to figure out what is happening and do something about it. If they can't track down and arrest a crook who is taking credit card orders for fraudulent goods, how can we expect them to find somebody who is making an active effort to hide? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
I usta hafta reinstall xp a few times a year ...now after dumping that silly Norton and starting to use Avast FREE version I have no longer had any trouble for a long time... -Original Message- From: David D Odell [mailto:waffenf...@atlanticbb.net] Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy! This d...@#$d virus or trojan has been around for a while. This thing disguises itself as a Windows Firewall and even puts a pseudo Microsoft shield in the notification area. It takes over completely and won't let system restore run properly. I have had to do complete Windows reinstalls on several friends' computers. It hit mine, but I caught it in time and was able to do a system restore. I have not tried Bit Defender; if you can get it from another computer, try that first and you may not have to do the complete reinstall. I would strongly suggest trying to backup any irreplaceable files (photos, etc). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Time for a Nation Defense Internet Infrastructure Project?
On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:54 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Why shut it down? Ramping up is better. Can you really shut down everything without something drastic and stupid like an EMP? And that wouldn't shut down those who are secure and off grid. There are too many short cuts and back doors. Expand everything. Are you likely to be attacked? That's right. The proven way to stand up to a botnet is to have enough capacity to ride it through. However I would feel a heck of a lot more secure if the R in CERT meant respond like the fire department and not respond by writing a memo. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Ranbo wrote: if I need this, will reinstalling Windows take care of this problem? Is that easy to do? Maybe now I can launch Bitdefender. The problem with reinstalling Windows is that you probably do not have all the drivers you need and when you track down current versions of the drivers you may find that they don't work all that well with your older hardware. Even people who regularly back up their data do not think to make backups of all their current drivers. Note that you don't launch Bit Defender, you boot from the Bit Defender CD. It will run Linux on your PC and then launch Bit Defender from there. This will examine your hard drive using a system you can trust is clean. Yours obviously is not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
On Feb 25, 2010, at 9:25 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It is very possible you will need to download the programs you need, on another computer, and run them in safe mode to clean it up. Definitely, an advanced virus will be watching and blocking your attempts to attack it. It has become and common way to test for infection by trying to access the major anti-virus sites. If you can't get there you know you are pwned. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Thunmb Vs. DVD [Was: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!]
I have no idea what this means, Tom! On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I have all my installers on an internal one tb drive. I keep nothing on my os drive for very long, everything I keep is moved to another internal drive and mirrored with an external. On Feb 26, 2010 12:07 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: needed...I keep my bookmarks synced with a firefox extension. I've refined my install process to using a USB thumb drive also..much faster than dvd. Really? I thought USB was comparatively slow. Do you copy program installs from DVD to USB sticks? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Thumb Vs. DVD [Was: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!]
Quoting Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com: I have no idea what this means, Tom! Not completely sure what you're asking here, but I'll try a little something. What Mike is saying, is that after he downloads programs from the Internet, he doesn't keep them on his system drive. He has a second 1TB (terabyte) drive inside his computer that he moves them to, and also to another external drive for back-up purposes. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I have all my installers on an internal one tb drive. I keep nothing on my os drive for very long, everything I keep is moved to another internal drive and mirrored with an external. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
