Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share At 11%
Shouldn't it be web usage share? On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:27 PM, tjpa wrote: > http://blog.quantcast.com/quantcast/2010/02/os-share.html > > Also note the plot of "Windows gradual decline." > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Apparently you haven't met Mr. Piwowar, ideologue extraordinaire and sometime poker to keep the list hot. I don't see how you can live on this planet and not pay attention to the arguments on both sides of important issues. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
OK. What altruist is going to come in and run health care? On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 5:19 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:48 PM, mike wrote: > >> What altruist is going to come in and run health care...this is a false >> argument since there are none. >> > > You live in a sad, sad world. Most of the rest of us don't. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
What altruist is going to come in and run health care...this is a false argument since there are none. On Mar 2, 2010 4:31 PM, "tjpa" wrote: On Mar 2, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: > > I suspect that the government overhead is not pro... Why do you expect people who are solely motivated by greed to do a better job at caring for the sick than those who are motivated by altruism? That is completely illogical. What you are promoting is death panels whose members get bonuses tied to the number of people they condemn. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
And I said if this guy was a government worker it would be much harder to get rid of him. Thankfully we aren't and you can tell him to bugger off. On Mar 2, 2010 11:40 AM, "Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)" wrote: Mike, what are you talking about Government health care for? This was a referral from my primary doctor (get this checked by a specialist) under a for-profit health plan. The doctor wanted to perform surgery when it was unnecessary so he could line his pocket. Sheesh, peel-back the tin foil occasionally. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Much harder to get rid of this guy under govern... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a m... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] charlie miller speaks (he's the security expert taking macs and windows down at pwn2own)
Apparently it's bug ridden. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Judy Cosler wrote: > what is the issue with Flash? > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:03 AM, mike wrote: > > > > > > http://gizmodo.com/5483024/security-expert-flash-is-the-root-of-browser-insecurity-oh-and-ie8-isnt-so-bad > > > > Highlights from the interview: > > > > Win 7 is harder to hack into than os x. > > Linux really isn't a fortress either depending on distro. > > Firefox on windows is less safe than IE 8 or Chrome. > > You want to be secure? Don't install flash. > > > > > > * > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > > * > > > > > > -- > Judy > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Much harder to get rid of this guy under government health care than free market health care...just look at how hard it is to fire teachers. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: > The way this country privatizes everything seems to provide a perverse > incentive for doctors inclined to profit as their primary motive. A > 'specialist' I went to a couple years ago sent me to get expensive > diagnostic scans, x-rays and MRI. When I went for follow-up, he could > not find the x-rays. He insisted I needed an outpatient surgery, but > got angry when I asked him to discuss it, alternatives and why he > thought surgery was necessary. He acted indignant and I got disgusted > and told him I would not be coming back. I could not shake the > impression that he just wanted to get paid for surgery he would not > explain to me. I got well and never did the surgery. I will never go > back to that jerk. > > Thank you, > Mark Snyder > -Original Message- > I was writing about over supply and low utilization rates. I don't see > how you can fairly leap from that to an insurer murdering its > customers to save money. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] charlie miller speaks (he's the security expert taking macs and windows down at pwn2own)
http://gizmodo.com/5483024/security-expert-flash-is-the-root-of-browser-insecurity-oh-and-ie8-isnt-so-bad Highlights from the interview: Win 7 is harder to hack into than os x. Linux really isn't a fortress either depending on distro. Firefox on windows is less safe than IE 8 or Chrome. You want to be secure? Don't install flash. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bootup problem running vista basic sp2
Also try to restore back to a date you believe it was running properly. On Mar 1, 2010 2:03 PM, "Terry Kilburg" wrote: Probably the last 20 times I've booted-15 of those had to use system restore to complete the process. Two of those boots gave a message after going thru system restore, it said it failed and only gave the option to shutdown and it sent this to microsoft. On those failed attempts, it did boot the next time I tried. Here is what i found when i read the info under the View Diagnostic and Repair Details on the final screen: Root cause found patch is preventing the system from starting System restore failed 0x490 time 0 ms system file integrity check failed 0x2 time 595222 ms Every other scan it runs was said to be completed successfully. The other times of boot failure this scan is completed successfully but it always says a patch prevented it from booting properly. This leaves me to think the patches are no good that are downloaded automatically to protect the computer or one of them aren't anyway. Or could the hd be on its last legs? This year it already downloaded ~75 updates and patches and I've had the computer for 2.5 yrs.. What do you think it is and what might i do to remedy it? Terry Kilburg - Independent Reliv International Distributor... kilb...@iowatelecom.net 563-872-3788 CST * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people
You know how I vote? Wow. You complain about lobbying by huge corporations, I didn't like the ruling either but the problem is we have other interests already doing the same things and worse. Ever watch MSNBC? It's an arm for Obama, plain and simple. Ever watch Fox? It's an arm for the conservatives...why should GE or Fox be aloud to spew (think Olbermann/Mathews/Hannity) their 'opinions' laden ever so lightly with so called facts every night and then you cry about this SC decision. You think this is a 'republican' decision but it also affects unions and other left wing organizations. It affects companies like GE whose CEO is advising Obama, not exactly a conservative guy. Why people think corporations are 'conservative' is beyond me. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:17 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > That's not true. The "sweetheart deal" wasn't one, and never happened. It's > not in the bill. Ideas are discussed as part of the process of writing > legislation. Many of those never make it to law. > > The Republican Supreme Court decided that lobbying by huge corporations is > great, and just made it easier. That's not good for small businesses or > individuals. Bet you're glad you voted for corporate excesses to be > enhanced. > > Give a real example, not a fantasy. > > How about the health care bill? Unions got a sweetheart deal to be free >> from the higher taxes of the more expensive health plans thus screwing >> would >> be smaller businesses wanting to give their employees good plans. In >> general, do you really think all the lobbying by >> multinational/multibillion >> dollar corporations helps them or helps small business? >> >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:23 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: >> >> Examples please. >>> >>> >>> Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Try reading it. It's strength is it's lack of regulation on the *people* and regulation on the government. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:16 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > mike escribió: > > > And the Constitution is a specific lack of regulation. Madison didn't >> even >> want a bill of rights for fear it would weaken the individual by >> enumerating >> specific rights, thus perhaps conversely weakening the power of citizens >> by >> the absence of other rights. >> > > Hardly. The existence of a Constitution, is the existence of regulation. > The Constitution defines the legal structure of our government, with > guidelines defining the kinds of laws that enforce restrictions and > regulations. > > What you're defining is anarchy. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Sorry, Wholefoods, not Sprouts. http://www2.wholefoodsmarket.com/blogs/jmackey/2009/08/14/health-care-reform-full-article/ On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: >Haven't heard that argument or of Sprouts? But paying for our own > health care? What a concept! But in reality, due to the insurance industry, > that's become an impossibility with the exception of dealing with a few > scrapes a bruises or just ignoring any health concerns in hope they'll go > away. And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the > lack of tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. >Anyway, back to the uncles ideas. If people would get off their > butts and walk 30 minutes a day they'd probably not need the majority of the > health care they think they need today. > > > Jeff Miles > jmile...@charter.net > > Join my Mafia > http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:29 PM, mike wrote: > > > Sounds like one of the arguments the CEO of Sprouts? was making...make > > people *pay* for their health care and they might not go for every > > sniffle...they might take care of themselves better. If we all had > grocery > > store insurance we'd be buying steak every day of the week instead of > ramen > > noodles to get through college. > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Jeff Miles > wrote: > > > >> You and my uncle would really get along, at least on that idea. He > >> believes the whole health care debate is a bunch of garbage due to > problems > >> we've created ourselves with our own health and care. And he's not far > off > >> on that. If the majority of us didn't need health care at every cut and > >> scrape the majority probably wouldn't need insurance. Or hospitals > wouldn't > >> be burdened by people without insurance because little med centers won't > >> accept them without insurance, even if all they need is a band aid. > >> Here is where I agree, we have a broke system. Not due to > >> regulation, but rather the lack of it. If you didn't pay your weekly > lackey > >> enough this week for protection, you should only blame yourself, right? > And > >> people think the bankers are the crooks. They are, just not as good a > bunch > >> of crooks and the insurance industry. Yes, regulation is a good thing. > Look > >> at your monthly expenditures to find out why. > >> > >> > >> Jeff Miles > >> jmile...@charter.net > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
It also got Obama elected. That soft middle keeps thinking they are getting someone sane and they keep getting the rug pulled from them. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: >I think you put to much "faith" on that soft middle. After all, it > got the last Bush elected 1 1/2 times. And look at the nut he turned out to > be. Iraq, with Cheney blowing in his ear being one of his nuttier, aids > vaccinations to Africa and NASA being his few lucid moments. > > > Jeff Miles > jmile...@charter.net > > Join my Mafia > http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:30 PM, mike wrote: > > > Yes the R's would have said he was soft on pick your poison, but I think > > there is a vast middle who doesn't like the broad stroke control measures > of > > that specific law. And it would have been the right thing to do. > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Jeff Miles > wrote: > > > >> No he couldn't. And not have survived the criticism of anything > else > >> he wants to get done. "Soft on communism" comes to mind. It would have > been > >> echoed through the media had he repealed the Patriot Act. "He's nothing > but > >> a socialist soft on terrorism." > >> Terrorism and socialism seem to be key words these days for people > >> who only need a word or two when it comes to how they'll vote. Look at > the > >> issue and think, who needs that? We've got these couple of words that > tell > >> us all we need to know. > >> I was thinking when the Patriot Act came in how handy it would be > if > >> I was every really mad at one of my neighbors. But try getting rid of it > now > >> and your considered soft on terrorism. What there a few comments on > ideology > >> vs reality? > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls...]
Just remembered, it was John Conyers. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:07 AM, mike wrote: > True, we agree..but when you have lobbyists for those big corporations > writing the very regulations isn't that a problem? Which representative was > it that laughed when a reporter asked if he had read the bill he was voting > for? > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > >> OK I come from this on both sides. >>>> >>>> As a theologian I view mankind through both eyes. He is basically >>>> good, but there is a corrupt part of him that will screw you whenever >>>> he gets a chance. >>>> >>> >>> Sorry Stewart, I know you're in the business of thinking people are good, >>> but these two statements are contradictory. If people were basically good >>> they wouldn't be trying to screw you at every opportunity (and *wouldn't* >>> need regulating). >>> >> >> >> Even in dangerous places, even with language barriers, my experience has >> been that individuals are generally good--often exceptionally generous >> beyond expectation. >> >> However we need regulation because people tend to do stupid things in >> groups that they wouldn't do alone. The bigger and more powerful the group, >> the greater tendency to be irresponsible or "evil", as in corporations. >> Hence the need for regulation. >> >> Stewart is right. >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls...]
True, we agree..but when you have lobbyists for those big corporations writing the very regulations isn't that a problem? Which representative was it that laughed when a reporter asked if he had read the bill he was voting for? On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > OK I come from this on both sides. >>> >>> As a theologian I view mankind through both eyes. He is basically >>> good, but there is a corrupt part of him that will screw you whenever >>> he gets a chance. >>> >> >> Sorry Stewart, I know you're in the business of thinking people are good, >> but these two statements are contradictory. If people were basically good >> they wouldn't be trying to screw you at every opportunity (and *wouldn't* >> need regulating). >> > > > Even in dangerous places, even with language barriers, my experience has > been that individuals are generally good--often exceptionally generous > beyond expectation. > > However we need regulation because people tend to do stupid things in > groups that they wouldn't do alone. The bigger and more powerful the group, > the greater tendency to be irresponsible or "evil", as in corporations. > Hence the need for regulation. > > Stewart is right. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
I wasn't arguing no regulation, I never said that...but more regulation does not in and of itself mean better. Stalinist Russia was regulated to literal death of it's citizens...no regulation is anarchy as was said. There has to be a middle. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >Wow, two people can read something completely differently. And who > gives a rats ass what Madison wanted? We have a bill of rights, thank us. Or > at least our relatives. We probably wouldn't be having this discussion, or > anything even closely related if we didn't have them. Like those against > regulation probably wouldn't be having this discussion if we didn't have > them. They'd still be working in the mines. And looking at the fluctuation > of wealth in this country that's where it was headed. Carnegie, > Rockafeller(sp), etc., let the good times roll. > > > Jeff Miles > jmile...@charter.net > > Join my Mafia > http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:18 PM, mike wrote: > > > And the Constitution is a specific lack of regulation. Madison didn't > even > > want a bill of rights for fear it would weaken the individual by > enumerating > > specific rights, thus perhaps conversely weakening the power of citizens > by > > the absence of other rights. > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:07 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > > > >> On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > >> > >>> So regulation is both a good thing and a bad thing depending on how it > is > >>> done. > >>> > >> > >> Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is "regulation." > >> > >> > >> > >> > * > >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy > ** > >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > >> > * > >> > > > > > > * > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > > * > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people
How about the health care bill? Unions got a sweetheart deal to be free from the higher taxes of the more expensive health plans thus screwing would be smaller businesses wanting to give their employees good plans. In general, do you really think all the lobbying by multinational/multibillion dollar corporations helps them or helps small business? On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:23 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > Examples please. > > >> Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Yes the R's would have said he was soft on pick your poison, but I think there is a vast middle who doesn't like the broad stroke control measures of that specific law. And it would have been the right thing to do. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >No he couldn't. And not have survived the criticism of anything else > he wants to get done. "Soft on communism" comes to mind. It would have been > echoed through the media had he repealed the Patriot Act. "He's nothing but > a socialist soft on terrorism." >Terrorism and socialism seem to be key words these days for people > who only need a word or two when it comes to how they'll vote. Look at the > issue and think, who needs that? We've got these couple of words that tell > us all we need to know. >I was thinking when the Patriot Act came in how handy it would be if > I was every really mad at one of my neighbors. But try getting rid of it now > and your considered soft on terrorism. What there a few comments on ideology > vs reality? > > > Jeff Miles > jmile...@charter.net > > Join my Mafia > http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:46 PM, mike wrote: > > > He could have say..not signed it. Forced the R's to try and sell the > > patriot act yet again. There were plenty of D's who wanted to add some > > protections for the citizens in there...waitaminute isn't that what the > > constitution is for? This is the kind of issue those crazy tea party > people > > would have backed the D's on. > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Jeff Miles > wrote: > > > >> Yep, damn neocons. I'm not letting Obama off the hook on this, but > >> repealing something isn't as easy and cut and dried as it sounds. Easy > to > >> talk about, but damn hard to do. Just look at the "don't ask, don't > tell" > >> crap. You'd think they'd just change the rule and allow competent people > in > >> the military. But most should know from history that changing the mind > of > >> the military is damn hard. I'll also bring up the equal rights allowed > >> blacks under the Johnson(?) administration. How long has that taken? > >> Legality is one thing, changing a mindset is something completely > different. > >> > >> > >> Jeff Miles > >> jmile...@charter.net > >> > >> Join my Mafia > >> http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 > >> > >> On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:43 PM, mike wrote: > >> > >>> Of course...like the patriot act that neocon Obama just extended. Damn > >>> neocons! > >>> > >>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:34 PM, tjpa wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:10 PM, mike wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> It's frightening to think there are some out there who believe all > >>>>> regulation is inherently good. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> No body wrote that. There are certainly a percent or two of > regulations > >>>> that are not beneficial. Those will, of course, be the only > regulations > >> that > >>>> the neocons will want to talk about. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > * > >>>> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy > >> ** > >>>> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** > >>>> > >> > * > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > * > >>> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy > ** > >>> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** > >>> > * > >> > >> > >> > >> > * > >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy > ** > >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > >> > * > >> > > > > > > * > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > > * > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Sounds like one of the arguments the CEO of Sprouts? was making...make people *pay* for their health care and they might not go for every sniffle...they might take care of themselves better. If we all had grocery store insurance we'd be buying steak every day of the week instead of ramen noodles to get through college. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >You and my uncle would really get along, at least on that idea. He > believes the whole health care debate is a bunch of garbage due to problems > we've created ourselves with our own health and care. And he's not far off > on that. If the majority of us didn't need health care at every cut and > scrape the majority probably wouldn't need insurance. Or hospitals wouldn't > be burdened by people without insurance because little med centers won't > accept them without insurance, even if all they need is a band aid. >Here is where I agree, we have a broke system. Not due to > regulation, but rather the lack of it. If you didn't pay your weekly lackey > enough this week for protection, you should only blame yourself, right? And > people think the bankers are the crooks. They are, just not as good a bunch > of crooks and the insurance industry. Yes, regulation is a good thing. Look > at your monthly expenditures to find out why. > > > Jeff Miles > jmile...@charter.net > > Join my Mafia > http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > > > Moderation in all things is good. > > > > Stewart > > > > > > At 09:22 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote: > >> Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. > >> > >> On Feb 28, 2010 8:12 PM, "Reid Katan" wrote: > >> > >> Quoting "Rev. Stewart Marshall" : > >> > >> OK I come from this on both sides. > >> > > >> > As a theologian I view mankind through both eyes. He is basically > >> > good, but there is a corrupt part of him that will screw you whenever > >> > he gets a chance. > >> > > > > > Rev. Stewart A. Marshall > > mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net > > Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org > > Ozark, AL SL 82 > > > > > > * > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > > * > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
And the Constitution is a specific lack of regulation. Madison didn't even want a bill of rights for fear it would weaken the individual by enumerating specific rights, thus perhaps conversely weakening the power of citizens by the absence of other rights. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:07 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > >> So regulation is both a good thing and a bad thing depending on how it is >> done. >> > > Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is "regulation." > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
He could have say..not signed it. Forced the R's to try and sell the patriot act yet again. There were plenty of D's who wanted to add some protections for the citizens in there...waitaminute isn't that what the constitution is for? This is the kind of issue those crazy tea party people would have backed the D's on. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >Yep, damn neocons. I'm not letting Obama off the hook on this, but > repealing something isn't as easy and cut and dried as it sounds. Easy to > talk about, but damn hard to do. Just look at the "don't ask, don't tell" > crap. You'd think they'd just change the rule and allow competent people in > the military. But most should know from history that changing the mind of > the military is damn hard. I'll also bring up the equal rights allowed > blacks under the Johnson(?) administration. How long has that taken? > Legality is one thing, changing a mindset is something completely different. > > > Jeff Miles > jmile...@charter.net > > Join my Mafia > http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:43 PM, mike wrote: > > > Of course...like the patriot act that neocon Obama just extended. Damn > > neocons! > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:34 PM, tjpa wrote: > > > >> On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:10 PM, mike wrote: > >> > >>> It's frightening to think there are some out there who believe all > >>> regulation is inherently good. > >>> > >> > >> No body wrote that. There are certainly a percent or two of regulations > >> that are not beneficial. Those will, of course, be the only regulations > that > >> the neocons will want to talk about. > >> > >> > >> > >> > * > >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy > ** > >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > >> > * > >> > > > > > > * > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > > * > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Far fewer of those types, they don't last very long. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >And also frightening to think there are some out there who are > against all regulation. Isn't there a word for that, oh yeah, anarchy? > > > Jeff Miles > jmile...@charter.net > > Join my Mafia > http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 > > On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:10 PM, mike wrote: > > > It's frightening to think there are some out there who believe all > > regulation is inherently good. > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:03 PM, phartz...@gmail.com < > phartz...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Jeff Miles > wrote: > >> > >>> Maybe it's just me, but I believe regulation to be a rather good thing. > >> > >> Yeah, if you are the regulator! Consider the banks after they > >> nearly brought down the economy. Any mention of tighter regulation in > >> the wake of that disaster, the banks and their legislative cronies go > >> ballistic. > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> > * > >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy > ** > >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > >> > * > >> > > > > > > * > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > > * > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...
It's far easier for a kid to get a hold of an iphone/ipod touch and use safari to look at chicks in bikinis than they can get the password to download such apps. It makes no sense...so therefore it probably is the lawyers... On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:08 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:08 PM, mike wrote: > > > Apple isn't ensnared, they are doing this themselves. Apple is bar far > the > > most controlling tech company out there, controlling their customers, > > controlling themselves.. > > I think that Apple has taken this approach with the iPhone because > their legal department told them to do it. At the moment, I cannot > think of another reason for this step to have been taken. > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. On Feb 28, 2010 8:12 PM, "Reid Katan" wrote: Quoting "Rev. Stewart Marshall" : OK I come from this on both sides. > > As a theologian I view mankind through both eyes. He is basically > good, but there is a corrupt part of him that will screw you whenever > he gets a chance. > Sorry Stewart, I know you're in the business of thinking people are good, but these two statements are contradictory. If people were basically good they wouldn't be trying to screw you at every opportunity (and *wouldn't* need regulating). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Give him some of yours, you have to have several laying about. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:35 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: > >> I believe he must have meant to type deregulation and his fingers missed >> the "de" keys. Anyone with eyes can see that regulation stems corruption >> > > You are obviously not wearing those ideologically colored glasses. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Of course...like the patriot act that neocon Obama just extended. Damn neocons! On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:34 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:10 PM, mike wrote: > >> It's frightening to think there are some out there who believe all >> regulation is inherently good. >> > > No body wrote that. There are certainly a percent or two of regulations > that are not beneficial. Those will, of course, be the only regulations that > the neocons will want to talk about. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
It's frightening to think there are some out there who believe all regulation is inherently good. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:03 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: > > >Maybe it's just me, but I believe regulation to be a rather good thing. > > Yeah, if you are the regulator! Consider the banks after they > nearly brought down the economy. Any mention of tighter regulation in > the wake of that disaster, the banks and their legislative cronies go > ballistic. > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...
Apple isn't ensnared, they are doing this themselves. Apple is bar far the most controlling tech company out there, controlling their customers, controlling themselves.. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:55 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:43 PM, tjpa wrote: > > > I don't know why Apple is getting ensnared in this. > > One word: INNOVATION. Another one: FEAR. > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...
I keep wondering about this myself...who in Apple is doing this and why? Are they going to start banning certain sites on the phone also? On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:17 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > Why doesn't Apple Corp. develop a means of either preventing or > making it difficult for users of their computers to be able to access > or use "overtly sexual" material or applications? To mention that > their sales figures would drop is a no-brainer, so what about other > reasons? What about the children? > > Steve > > -- > WARNING: Due to a Presidential Executive Order, the National Security > Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant or notice. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Thunmb Vs. DVD [Was: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!]
I have all my installers on an internal one tb drive. I keep nothing on my os drive for very long, everything I keep is moved to another internal drive and mirrored with an external. On Feb 26, 2010 12:07 PM, "Reid Katan" wrote: Quoting mike : needed...I keep my bookmarks synced with a firefox extension. I've refined > my install process to using a USB thumb drive also..much faster than dvd. > Really? I thought USB was comparatively slow. Do you copy program installs from DVD to USB sticks? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
Yes, this is one of the nastiest ones out there. They come by many names and take a crowbar and blowtorch to remove. This is one of the reasons you keep good backups. XP wasn't as easy, but now running 7 I can reinstall a new OS in about 20 minutes...have most my programs I use installed in less than an hour. I keep an external drive with all my cd images I might want to install, I keep all my installers I've downloaded also on this drive along with any serials I have to enter. My mail is in the cloud, no backup needed...I keep my bookmarks synced with a firefox extension. I've refined my install process to using a USB thumb drive also..much faster than dvd. Yes it's a PITA to have to plan like this but like it or not this is windows, plan accordingly and it's no big deal. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote: > It does it by getting you to click what you think are clean sites. > > Some sites get taken over by a Trojan very easily. > > Then when you think you are telling them no thanks on a pop up it catches > you. > > They are very subtle and sneaky. > > This is a extortion attempt usually wanting you to buy their program to get > rid of their Trojan. > > Stewart > > > > At 08:41 AM 2/26/2010, you wrote: > >> *Very strange, so far, since turning computer on today (has now been on >> for >> about 10 minutes) having none of the problems from yesterday. How does >> this >> virus or trojan get around antivirus software and firewalls? Do you >> usually >> get it by visiting certain sites? >> >> if I need this, will reinstalling Windows take care of this problem? Is >> that easy to do? Maybe now I can launch Bitdefender. >> >> Thanks >> >> Randall >> > > Rev. Stewart A. Marshall > mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net > Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org > Ozark, AL SL 82 > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] fantastic software for your ipod touch to control your pc or mac
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/494/6367&hub=1&cl=us,en?section=downloads&bit=&osid=14 So I was looking for something to control my pc behind my tv that would be inexpensive and easy. I use the freeware XBMC for a media center front end, it's an awesome piece of software. I came across a little gem ffrom logitech called touch mouse, it loads a small server on your pc and a program on your ipod touch that turns you ipod touch into a wireless keyboard/mouse. It works fantastic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] windows phone 7
They aren't too thrilled with iphone either. The place ms needs to gain some share is general consumer, this phone might do it. On Feb 24, 2010 3:58 PM, "tjpa" wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:53 AM, mike wrote: > > Didn't get the coverage the press gave it's darling Ap... This is the Zune Phone I wrote about several months ago. I don't think corporate IT is going to be very thrilled by it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] windows phone 7
http://gizmodo.com/5471805/windows-phone-7-series-everything-is-different-now Didn't get the coverage the press gave it's darling Apple, but not much less significant is MS finally did what looks like the right thing completely rewrote a new phone os. They also did the wrong thing in admitting they will still be supporting/releasing the previous WM os under the term classic...really? Classic? The new OS doesn't look like Apple's UI or Android's, something a little different and from the look of it in the videos, it's not too bad. Phones released later this year. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple App Store Gets Really Silly
I know with your ideological bent you'll never admit a dem can do anything less than pure but for anyone else.. Google Tipper Gore and video game violence. On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:20 AM, tjpa wrote: > AppleInsider | Swimwear seller hit by Apple's removal of 'sexual' apps > > http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/02/23/swimwear_seller_hit_by_apples_removal_of_sexual_apps.html > > "It’s just women in bikinis" says the guy from the Simply Beach catalog > store. > > What's next, mandatory burqas? But then these day, songs played on the > radio are full of gaps where a word or two has been deleted. These left > overs from the Bush administration continue to snowball. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AT&T coverage map
Yeah! No idea what we are so there'ing...but...so there! On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:01 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > > > So there! > > Steve > > -- > WARNING: Due to a Presidential Executive Order, the National Security > Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant or notice. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Anybody else find all tom's post in gMail spam?
nope... On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > I just found the last couple of days worth of Tom's posts in the gMail Spam > folder. Both the tjpa and the t.piowar email addresses were there. > > I thought Tom was being unusually quiet. > > -- > John Duncan Yoyo > ---o) > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
It's funny how both sides end up talking about each other the same way, I suppose ideologues are more similar even when they perceive themselves to be on opposite sides. As long as we have guys like Tom to continue the game for the politicians, they'll love us. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:13 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:47 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > >> So what are you talking about? >> > > They favor fantasy over facts. I think you are wasting your time trying to > deprogram them. They heads are filled with slogans that they cling to > vigorously. If you point out how their fantasies brought the country to the > brink of ruin they will insist that their freaky ideas were not followed > forcefully enough. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] This is worth a look
I'll take my sad sack DSL over that choice. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: > > > > http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Our-National-Broadband-Plan-Is-A-Bland-Boring-Mess-106979 > > So, what do we have here? Yet more evidence that not only are our > governmental agencies and agency heads only interested in their own > political and/or financial agendas, but the industry is sticking to > that same tired old course as well? We seem doomed unless we can get > a benevolent dictator. > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
This entire incident is not an accident. It was thought out, planned and executed from start to finish. It is not possible someone by pure accident connected to a students system and then decided on a whim to keep watching and then report him for drugs (candy), call him into the office and try to punish him. I would not be surprised if child porn figured into this case at some point. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:54 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:27 PM, John Duncan Yoyo > wrote: > > > It was bloody stupid to do and they should feel the full force of the law > > but the intent could have seemed justifiable if they were sold on this > > system even if the result isn't. It may be systemic if the video at < > > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/learning/schools/how-google-saved-a-school.html > > > > was used as a model by other schools. > > I see that Macintosh computers were the only brand involved in any > of these instances, at least as far as any of these reports that have > been discussed here. Is Apple in any way involved in this? By that I > mean is Apple complicit in the installation of any code that is > specifically designed to allow for these school systems to do this > spying? Are these computers being shipped from Apple with special > code already installed that is not present in their laptops intended > for normal retail sale? > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
To be blunt it doesn't matter what you think is going on, it matters what happened. And that was spying on minors in their own homes. On Feb 21, 2010 8:27 AM, "John Duncan Yoyo" wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:18 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:21 PM, John Duncan Yoyo > < johnduncany...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > What ... > Yep, but I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. Besides it is hard to believe that is what they were doing. The video of the teacher using the camera in another school to monitor students from the techdirt link is more what I think is going on. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscript... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Why would we expect the Fed to audit Madoff when they won't audit themselves. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: > At 05:29 PM 2/20/2010, tjpa wrote: > >Actually I think the term "conservative" has been hijacked by people > >with entirely different interests. They want low taxes and small > >government as a means to achieving their own greedy ends. E.g. they > >want to close down the SEC so they can all become a Madoff. > > Regulators like the SEC will never stop a Bernie Madoff. It's like > expecting the police to intercept the burglar before he enters your home. > Doesn't happen very often. > > Everyone who invested in Bernie Madoff's deal should have known that it was > too good to be true. > > Everyone who invested in Bernie Madoff's deal should have insisted on a > real audit of his books, independent of any government oversight/regulation. > > The only way for government to stop the likes of Madoff would be for it to > perform a real audit of 100% of financial firms. That would cost too much. > You wouldn't want to pay the bill. Simple fact of life. > > With the potential rewards of such a scam, and with the probability of > detection being much less than 100%, there are many folks who would take the > chance. > > Anyone on the board of any charitable organization. How well is the audit > performed. Even a professional auditor only audits something like 10% of a > year's transactions. And the audit is not focused on detecting fraud. The > audit is focused on presenting a financial statement that fairly represents > the true financial status of the organization. > > Fred Holmes > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
You have no idea...I have qwest, it's a miracle it works at all. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: > I love you Eric, you naive son of a gun! :p >> > > Don't kiss me now, mike, just be glad your freaking phone works. > > :-) > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
I love you Eric, you naive son of a gun! :p On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: > > > I'm not in it for the money. Although it's good, I could make more > elsewhere. I'm in it for the vision. I think most people are as well. > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
Anyone involved in this scam should be fired, simple. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:00 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:33 AM, John Duncan Yoyo > wrote: > > > Apple offers the ability to take a picture remotely if your laptop is > > stolen to make it easier to recover which I think is what the district > was > > claiming it was doing. > > Not correct. That school had never used the cameras in the laptops > that had been distributed to the students in any attempt to recover a > stolen or misplaced computer. They were using it to 'spy' on at least > one student, and perhaps upon many more. The laptop involved in this > incident had not been reported as having been stolen. > > The student who is known to have been spied upon was hauled into the > principal's office and was to be disciplined by the school for > 'inappropriate behavior' even though the alleged behavior took place > in the boy's home, not in the school. The school had taken at least > one photo, by remote control, of the student, who is about 15, and the > charge against him was illegal drug use and suspicion of intent to > sell and distribute drugs. The "drug" involved? As it turns out, it > was candy that the student was eating. > > Had the school not blown its cover by informing the student that > they had taken a photo of him by way of his laptop, it is likely that > this spying would still be continuing. > > The FBI is now investigating. > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Too bad Dems have been in charge for years, and still it doesn't get done...hmm..interesting. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:44 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 20, 2010, at 5:26 PM, mike wrote: > >> You should look around your neighborhoods, DC is the epitome of badly run >> Dem stronghold. Face it, government doesn't do much of anything right..or >> left. The larger the government, the smaller the citizen. >> > > That is an ignorant remark. DC does many things very well. For example > their IT head was just tapped as the Fed's CTO and is doing a tremendous > job. There are many such examples. DC is in a very tough situation. Much of > its potential tax base is exempt. Congress even prohibits DC from having a > payroll tax on the people who work here. Due to the history of the place it > has a large poor population. This high-need, low-resource situation makes it > hard to govern. Congressional meddling, especially when Repubs are in > control makes it tougher. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Yeah..trouble is the guys who should have been watching Madoff are still in charge under Obama, indeed they have been promoted in some cases. These two parties just pit the public against one another to keep us from watching what they are doing. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:29 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 19, 2010, at 2:03 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote: > >> I'm wondering who these hypothetical conservatives are that seem to be >> the demons in this passion play. You know I'm conservative, but more >> often than not I agree with you. >> > > Then you must not be a REAL conservative. > > Actually I think the term "conservative" has been hijacked by people with > entirely different interests. They want low taxes and small government as a > means to achieving their own greedy ends. E.g. they want to close down the > SEC so they can all become a Madoff. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
You should look around your neighborhoods, DC is the epitome of badly run Dem stronghold. Face it, government doesn't do much of anything right..or left. The larger the government, the smaller the citizen. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:00 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 19, 2010, at 2:31 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > >> The extra-Constitutional things that have led to the huge debt and >> deficits are off-budget wars, secret funds for secret programs, not the tiny >> fraction of our budget that goes to infrastructure like broadband and >> cellular communications. >> The government investment in infrastructure is an important part of >> promoting the general welfare--for both people and businesses. Crumbling >> infrastructure and citizens with poor health and limited means of >> communication leads to loss of liberty--the antithesis of promoting the >> general welfare. >> > > Neocon utopia is commonly described as: Islands of opulence surrounded by > squalor. > > They continue to work on improving their islands and the money has to come > from somewhere. So they rail against taxes and anything that involves the > common good. To achieve their utopia things like broadband, network > neutrality, clean air/water, a living wage, health care, rising sea levels, > etc. must of course be sacrificed. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Password Keeper == Login King -- thoughts?
I don't use a password manager, I use variations of the same password for everything. Passwords are anywhere from 7 alphanumeric characters to 15 depending on what I am using it for. Never had any issues. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Tony B wrote: > These days you really have to have *some *sort of password manager. > However, > I don't see where this one is worth $10 more than Roboform (which I use). > Unless maybe they allow more than one install. > > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Gail Miller >wrote: > > > Hi ... I'm looking for something that will help me remember the > > ever-increasing number of passwords. I found this site, recommended by PC > > Magazine, but I seem to recall a discussion here long ago saying that > such > > programs are not secure. What's the scoop? Handy and safe or forget it? > > > > http://www.loginking.com/ > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Just what is a computer anyway?
So is the innovator the one who came up with 'app phones' or the one who popularized them? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:53 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Feb 17, 2010, at 7:22 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Both of my co-workers most decidedly use their cell phones more >> often for texting, playing games or for taking and showing photos, >> etc., than they do for making or receiving phone calls. I had taken >> note of that over time at work, asked them about it, and they agreed >> with me. >> > > That's right. Most of us (except for the Rev.) are carrying around a > completely different device than the cell phones of old. The smart phone you > just described gets us halfway there. Today's app phones (iPhone and copies) > change the way we interact with our environment. That is a revolutionary > change. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
The tenth doesn't give much leeway. We strayed greatly and long ago. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:31 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > We, the people, are the government of the United States. >>> >> >> >> Yes, that's the way it is **supposed** to be. But it isn't, really. The >> federal government does all sorts of extra-constitutional things, and gets >> away with it. Who is doing anything about it? >> >> > Fred, > > The US Constitution gives a lot of leeway for interpretation, starting with > the preamble: > > "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, > establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common > defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to > ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for > the United States of America." > > Promoting the general welfare and securing the blessings of liberty covers > much of our investment in science, R&D, social programs, elaborated in > Article I, Section 8, beginning with: > > "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts > and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general > welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be > uniform throughout the United States..." > > The extra-Constitutional things that have led to the huge debt and deficits > are off-budget wars, secret funds for secret programs, not the tiny fraction > of our budget that goes to infrastructure like broadband and cellular > communications. > > The government investment in infrastructure is an important part of > promoting the general welfare--for both people and businesses. Crumbling > infrastructure and citizens with poor health and limited means of > communication leads to loss of liberty--the antithesis of promoting the > general welfare. > > The "common defense" depends intrinsically on the health of the people and > the infrastructure. > > > Betty > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's wrong with Android
There are videos of mobile 7 in action, it looks promising. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote: > The article I read said that they are working closely with providers (Cell > phone companies) and manufacturers. > > Will be interesting to see when it does come out. > > The screen shots I saw did look much better than the old versions. > > Stewart > > > > At 08:00 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote: > >> Damned if you do, damned if you don't. MS made the right decision here, >> WM >> 6.x series was horrid and should have been taken out back and shot years >> ago. This isn't to say the new completely new WM will be better, but lets >> face it, it can't be much worse. As far as leaving users high and dry, >> most >> people if they desire can replace their phones ever two years at minimal >> cost, so there will be some lag for some users getting on board. The next >> decision MS has to make hopefully will also be the right one...as in don't >> have 15 different versions of your phone OS as as you did with the >> previous >> phone OS, keep it simple and straight. I believe I read MS already >> fuxored >> this one up and is in fact releasing several versions of WM 7. >> > > Rev. Stewart A. Marshall > mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net > Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org > Ozark, AL SL 82 > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's wrong with Android
Also, keep in mind ease of finding menu items on the iPhone are definitely not universal. One app I use that comes to mind is mediamote...you start the app and you get a screen highlighting other programs the writer has coded, if you hit any of these including 'mediamote' the app you are already using, suddenly you are thrown to his web page. So you start the app again...this time waiting and finally the screen disappears and you are presented with a blank screen. Where do i input the settings? There are zero buttons, just a screen with a background..blank. You have to just know to stop the app again, go to general settings in your iphone and then find mediamote and input the settings there and then go back and open mediamote again. Ease of use as he speaks of in the article is far, far from universal in the iPhone. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:30 PM, mike wrote: > It is what he is ignoring about android and the iphone os. I already gave > examples, you want faster access to apps? How about not even having to open > them? Live stock prices on the home screen, live weather, live twitter or > facebook feeds, email summaries, sms...all this without opening an app just > activate the screen. He also ignores the fact that every setting isn't a > simple button on the iphone screen, you may hit one button for six others > and then you get into what you need. > > On Feb 18, 2010 3:04 PM, "tjpa" wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:10 PM, mike wrote: > > Right, but backwards. That is > one reason why I like my ... > You want to address the specific example presented in the story or just > continue to wave your hands while screaming shazam? > > * > ** List info, subscrip... > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's wrong with Android
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. MS made the right decision here, WM 6.x series was horrid and should have been taken out back and shot years ago. This isn't to say the new completely new WM will be better, but lets face it, it can't be much worse. As far as leaving users high and dry, most people if they desire can replace their phones ever two years at minimal cost, so there will be some lag for some users getting on board. The next decision MS has to make hopefully will also be the right one...as in don't have 15 different versions of your phone OS as as you did with the previous phone OS, keep it simple and straight. I believe I read MS already fuxored this one up and is in fact releasing several versions of WM 7. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:21 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:51 PM, rleesimon wrote: > >> I think there are quite a few articles recently portraying a micro$oft >> smartfone push with a zunelike interface on the horizon ...I think apple has >> lotsa flare with its latest foray into ifone/ipad etc. but it is not a good >> idea, imho, to ignore m$ (the sleeping giant) with the longstanding >> windowsCE/PocketPC/WindowsMobile project ...I just bought my first new fone >> since 2004 in late 2009 and it was a windowsMobile6.1 motorola which works >> great and is easy to use and a pleasure to carry as it does everything I >> want >> > > I'm glad to know you are happy, but you have been left high and dry by M$. > The 7 product is very different from what you have and there is no upgrade > path. It is unlikely that many developers will invest any more of their time > on software for your phone. The best you can hope for is a bug patch or two > before you go unsupported. > > In even worse shape are the vendors who are presently rolling out phones > based on the 6.5 version. If they don't offer them at fire sale prices I > doubt they will be able to sell them at all. I expect they will be taking a > bath on this. It is enough to make one question the wisdom of teaming up > with M$. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's wrong with Android
It is what he is ignoring about android and the iphone os. I already gave examples, you want faster access to apps? How about not even having to open them? Live stock prices on the home screen, live weather, live twitter or facebook feeds, email summaries, sms...all this without opening an app just activate the screen. He also ignores the fact that every setting isn't a simple button on the iphone screen, you may hit one button for six others and then you get into what you need. On Feb 18, 2010 3:04 PM, "tjpa" wrote: On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:10 PM, mike wrote: > > Right, but backwards. That is one reason why I like my ... You want to address the specific example presented in the story or just continue to wave your hands while screaming shazam? * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's wrong with Android
And Tom would know since it is his most common MO. On Feb 18, 2010 3:04 PM, "tjpa" wrote: On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:56 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote: > > OK, and I'll ask you to come clean: for yo... The question was simple. The answer was simple, and correct. You try to change the question and then attack the answer. It doesn't work that way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's wrong with Android
Right, but backwards. That is one reason why I like my android phone more than an iphone, less steps to do the same task. The reviewer either doesn't know this or is just such a Mac fan bois that he doesn't care to mention it. I know from what you have said in the past that you have not used either platform to know any better than what you are told and being an idealogue you will always believe the apple guy even when it makes no sense. On Feb 18, 2010 11:54 AM, "tjpa" wrote: On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:09 AM, mike wrote: > > This reviewer is just being argumentative. He thinks ... Sigh, once again Mike is multitasking and did not fully take in what he was reading. One point of the review was that in many cases the Android takes 2 or more clicks to accomplish a 1-click iPhone action. That is significant. A second point was that Android features were often not easily discoverable. There is a big difference between obvious functions and those that you have to dig for. The calendar example was a good one. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LABS GALLERY: 25 Decade-Shaping Technologies - IT Management from eWeek
I'm interested too, I would dread at this time to go back to XP from 7. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > I'll even give a nod to Windows XP, even though I got a message to > > confirm with M$ for the first time last week on a system I've been using > > for 5 years--it's superior to both previous and subsequent systems, so > far. > > Have you used Windows 7? What is it about XP that you find superior? > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LABS GALLERY: 25 Decade-Shaping Technologies - IT Management from eWeek
Virtualization in general should have been in there, there is more than one company making serious advances in this area especially now with multicore cpus. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:48 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > "eWEEK Labs analysts picked the 25 Technologies that Changed the Decade. > The products and technologies were chosen based on the impact they had not > only on the decade that was but on the decade that will be." > > > http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/LABS-GALLERY-25-DecadeShaping-Technologies-718694/ > > There are so many excellent choices. I like Mac OS X and the iPod Touch, > but multi-core processors, WiFi and blade servers rate at least as high. > I'll even give a nod to Windows XP, even though I got a message to confirm > with M$ for the first time last week on a system I've been using for 5 > years--it's superior to both previous and subsequent systems, so far. > > The tough challenge with this list is to choose the _least_important_ > technology. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win 7 and Office 2003
Should work fine...try it and see. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Joe Tseng wrote: > My wife is now the owner of a new notebook with Win 7 Home preloaded. She > wants to use Office 2003 Pro but we've read it doesn't work with Win 7 Home > - is that true? Do we have to get 2007/2010? > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's wrong with Android
This reviewer is just being argumentative. He thinks hitting a button on the iphone screen is a wonderment...while hitting a button below the screen on an android phone is laborious. Sorry, hitting one button to do something, as opposed to hitting one button to do something isn't much of a difference. While he is correct there are no fascist like rules for building android apps, this may but I doubt, cause some confusion compared to iphone, but it also allows freedom. His theme for his review is that 'andoid keeps things hidden' and if they just un-hide things, it will be a wonderful OS. Somehow that having a few hardware buttons is more complex than only one for an iPhone...I suppose in a way that's true, but it's easier to hit a hardware button to bring up the camera than it is to bring up the cam on an iphone. He makes assumptions that simply aren't true unless you've only used an iPhone which most people have not. He believes users will expect to have every button they might want to use on the screen already, this is true coming from an iPhone but not any other phone. One of the features Android has over iphone is it's home screens allow for finding out any number of things you can't find out on an iphone without starting an app (and stopping another in the process). From an android home screen you can check usual things like time and date, you could also add time zones to the home screen if you need to know the time anywhere...you could add five or six different clocks and at a glance check the time anywhere you wanted. Stock prices, twitter updates, email summaries, mms/sms msgs and do quick replies. You can check facebook stats, weather in multiple locations, calender...the list goes on. All this from the home screen without opening an app. Is Android perfect? Of course not, it's not as responsive in general as an Iphone, it doesn't have that mandated by god view of applications so there is not a clear reference from app to app, but to be honest I never noticed that at all. I don't care if apps that do different things, somehow make you work the same way, I care if an app does what I want it to do. Iphones are good for those who like the structured environment, who don't want to go off the rails at any time, stay on the nice paved road, I like taking side roads, explore more, sometimes it's rough, but sometimes the view ends up being better. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:19 AM, t.piwowar wrote: > This reviewer gets to the heart of the matter. It is not about the specs. > It is about how the device functions. > > http://www.slate.com/id/2244165?obref=obnetwork > > "If you're looking to buy a new smartphone, then, the most important thing > to ask isn't "What does it do?" Instead, it's "How does it do it?" Phones > that seem identical on paper turn out to be wildly different once you turn > them on. The most important feature on any phone is one rarely mentioned in > a spec list: the operating system. If the OS is clunky and overstuffed, like > what you'll find on the BlackBerry, you'll have a devil of a time doing > everything on your device. If it's stylish and intuitive, like the iPhone's, > you'll find your phone a pleasure." > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone nos.
Did you ask them? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:23 PM, One Man wrote: > Having sent my motorola razor through the wash and dry, I can't get it to > work. Now at&t wants to replace my cell no. as well as the phone. what > gives? > > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Looks like MS might be serious
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-is-official-and-microsoft-is-playing-to/ You can catch up on a lot about windows phone 7 with that link if you care to. The press isn't covering it much, no surprise there since MS isn't their darling like Apple, but it looks like MS has done something it rarely does..take a chance. They completely wiped out previous versions of windows mobile and have started fresh with something that has no ties to it's predecessors. The UI isn't iPhone or Android, but it looks interesting and easy to use. MS in terms of use isn't that far behind Apple, one above 20% the other slightly below so there is plenty of room for either one to gain or lose. Both platforms could steal from RIM and not hurt each other at all, RIM seems to be stagnate. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Just what is a computer anyway?
We've been calling the one in our cars computers for decades, what else would it be? No keyboard, no mouse...no monitor. And you can 'tinker' with an iPad or a car computer, it just takes more tinkering know how. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:54 AM, tjpa wrote: > Interesting (and short) podcast gets to the heart of a discussion we have > been having here... > > http://www.publicradio.org/columns/futuretense/2010/02/09.shtml > > "The Apple iPad: Is it a computer?" > "Some argue it's not, citing the lack of a keyboard, a limited operating > system, and the fact that users can't get under the hood and tinker. But the > iPad does have a CPU, memory, and lot of other computer-y components. > Whichever way you go on the iPad-as-computer question, there's no doubting > that our concept of the computer is changing as technology permeates our > lives more and more." > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Stuff like this is why I think Tom is just playing us all, being the troll to get the list going, no one is this obtuse and can still function out in the world. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > Did anyone notice that most drawing programs are operated using a > > mouse and that moving a mouse requires the use of one's entire arm, > > including a whole bunch of fingers. Both mouse and arm are > > considerably larger than a finger. Yet it works fine. > > I can't believe you said this seriously. > > The key isn't the size of the pointing device (be it arm, mouse, stylus, or > finger), it's how much of the screen is hidden by the pointing device. The > mouse may be large, but, unless you have a very > strange way of using it, it doesn't cover any of the screen. A stylus > covers very little of the screen. A finger covers quite a lot. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
You never did well in school did you? Did you try that with your teachers? I can't write my paper because the pen hurts my hand! On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:45 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 15, 2010, at 8:35 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > >> My one and only point throughout has been that a stylus can be a >> valuable asset when drawing or writing in freehand mode >> > > Anyone who has used a stylus for more than a few minutes will tell you that > it makes the fingers cramp. > > Telling you that you are flat our wrong is not arguing ad hominem. It is > telling you that you are flat out wrong. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Good stuff, Betty, thanks. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > Still waiting for that example of fine brush work on an iphone.. >> > > These are painting programs. Some fine results - > http://www.flickr.com/groups/brushes/, > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fhierro/ > > For straight lines you calculate point locations and other geometric > shapes--use equations not brushes, with vector drawing programs not painting > programs. I used to do a lot of my drawings in Freehand by locating and > connecting points, and indicating elevation by degrees, curves with > equations or bezier curves. > > That's why I liked FreeHand and hated Illustrator. With FreeHand, I could > use math for complicated technical drawings, or drawing tools to draw > pictures 'freehand'. Much more difficult to get good results in Illustrator. > Illustrator didn't even use common technical terms that had been used for > years. They invented new names for common actions. FreeHand didn't, until it > was ported to a less artistic environment and killed. > > Are there any good vector-based drawing--not painting--programs for the > iPhone? --Intaglio, Paintbook, ZeptoDraw, iPocket Draw? > > Otherwise, try pen and ink, paint, pencil, charcoal, paper, papyrus, > canvas, XActo knife - the real stuff! [especially the knives] > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
I know, I keep letting silly things like facts and actual examples get in the way... On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:01 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Feb 14, 2010, at 8:06 PM, mike wrote: > >> Still waiting for that example of fine brush work on an iphone.. >> > > There goes Mike again. Of course the examples you provided don't count. Nor > will any others you provide. > > Some folks are stuck on doing certain tasks in one particular way and won't > admit that there is any possibility of innovation. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New SIM, but improved?
Try reading the thread again, have someone sound out the big words for you, get back to us when you figure out what is going on. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:21 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:06 AM, mike wrote: > >> I read fine, Mark. I don't think you fully understand the subject. You >> are >> talking about component feature sizes..fine, take to another thread, >> > > This thread is only for those who agree with Mike or so says Mike. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
This is true, a stylus really can't be employed. I think the larger point is Betty thinks you can draw fine detail with a finger, and those of us who have tried are just saying you can get FINER detail from a pointier object like a stylus. Betty's NY'er covers are examples of what you can get with your fat finger, haven't seen anything with fine detail yet. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I find this all too impossible to follow. > > If I remember correctly a stylus is unusable on the ipad (if it has a touch > screen like an Iphone) > > You must use finger contact. > > One of my members has a Blackberry Storm and she cannot use it with gloves, > must be a finger touch. > > Stewart > > > > At 06:51 PM 2/14/2010, you wrote: > In art school we did thousands of charcoal drawings, some with charcoal > pencils, some with small blocks of charcoal. The only time we ever used a > stylus was for sculpture or to remove the ink layer that covered colored > wax. You can create minute details using pieces of charcoal. Michelangelo > did OK with his charcoal drawings. [Forgot...we'd find a stylus to clean our > fingernails after using clay.] > > Cheap artists' brushes start about $4 each or so. I have too many sables >> that cost well over $10--each--some over $30. Brushes for oil or acrylic >> sometimes cost more than watercolor brushes, but don't often last as long >> because they're harder to clean. The bundles of brushes at discount are >> cheap and don't last. Quality brushes will last for years. One of the good >> things about calligraphy was using the cheap bamboo brushes, but fine sable >> brushes are very expensive. >> >> Fat fingers are no excuse. You can either draw, or you can't draw. No big >> deal. No excuses. >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Still waiting for that example of fine brush work on an iphone.. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:51 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > > > Fat fingers are no excuse. You can either draw, or you can't draw. No big > deal. No excuses. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
example? On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: > > > P.P.S. Especially when there are artists who draw very detailed drawings > on > an iPhone with their fingers. > > -- > John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] win7 to "phone home" - comments?
Well there is a lack of technical aspect in the blog post you reference. This is just more trolling, someone trying to make a problem where so far, none exists. Unacceptable? Strong language for something a user has to go out and find, download and install on their own. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Andy Gallant wrote: > On 2/11/2010 2:41 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Andy Gallant wrote: >> >> >>> Any comments or perspectives? >>> >>> - >>> >>> >> I suspect you already know what at least half a dozen people on this site >> will say. >> >> And how likely it is that you will get technical answers and comments on >> this list. >> >> True, but I can hope! And, seriously, I still think this update is worth > asking about, and in particular, how accurate the technical aspects in the > two postings are. > > -Andy > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] win7 to "phone home" - comments?
I didn't realize participating in Stalin's or Mugabe's regimes was voluntary, who knew? You cheapen real terror with your silliness. All this does is make those who don't know better that these idiots weren't real villains, or perhaps it's just that you don't know it. Take your Che tshirt off and try studying a little history, macboy. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:06 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Andy Gallant wrote: > >> While I certainly appreciate Microsoft's piracy problems, and the negative >> impact that these have both on the company and consumers, I believe that the >> approach represented by this kind of escalation on the part of Microsoft and >> others -- into what basically amounts to a perpetual anti-piracy >> surveillance regime embedded within already purchased consumer equipment -- >> is entirely unacceptable. >> > > Entirely consistent. This is exactly what Robert Mugabe, Mahmoud > Ahmadinejad, Kim Il-sung, Omar al-Bashir, or even Joe Stalin would do in a > similar situation. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Yeah, Tom draws with a parallel port all the time. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:10 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 14, 2010, at 3:22 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Exactly, Mike. Seems like this aspect needs a lot of explaining to >> get across. This is, in part, why pencils were invented as opposed to >> using big chunks of sharpened charcoal to try and make fine detailed >> lines. >> > > All of this would be so much easier if they just would add a parallel port. > Apple just doesn't get it. > > I'm starting an online petition. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Apparently your good results and my good results are two different results. On Feb 14, 2010 1:27 PM, "b_s-wilk" wrote: > The problem is you can't *see* the detail you are drawing if you have a big > fat finger trying to... Use your little finger instead. You can see the detail with big or little fingers. Fat fingers? That's a cop-out. If you can draw, you can draw on an iPhone/Touch with any fingers. Try it. I have MyPaint, Fingerpaint and may buy Brushes. They're easy to use, but you need the same kind of skill to get good results as you would with a real paint brush. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
The problem is you can't *see* the detail you are drawing if you have a big fat finger trying to do it. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:17 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > YES, you CAN do that on an iPhone/Touch. iPad too? Probably. Don't need a >>> stylus. I'd lose a stylus, and don't plan to lose my fingers any time >>> soon. >>> >>> >> Yes, one can use their finger, but a stylus can provide for much >> finer lines, greater detail and more control if a tablet can provide >> such detail due to sensor design and attendant software. Quickly >> jotting down written notes is another good use for a stylus, with the >> stylus taking the place of a pencil or pen. However, the tablet must >> be designed for detailed drawing work... >> > > No it doesn't. It's in the software if the underlying system is similar to > Mac OS or the iPhone/Touch OS. All you need is to set brush width to do > details. > > Did you look at the New Yorker covers? Are you an artist? Have you tried > any of these apps? > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Removal and disposal.
For whatever it is worth, they used to call snow "poor farmer's fertilizer". The snow supposedly picks up some nitrogen from the air on its way down, and when it melts the nitrogen goes into the ground, helping to enrich the soil. So dumping snow on fields would not have been a Bad Thing to do. Mike Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: When I lived in Canada they did pick up the snow. he banks would get too high and they would then cut down the banks and use a huge show blower to load it up in trucks and haul it to an empty field where it cold stack over winter, and then melt off in Summer. (the two months it would melt) Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gigabit Broadband To Your House?
I'm happy to have the republicans own their deficits, how long till both sides realize there is a third invisible party from both sides driving this up and up and now its just Obama at the helm now. On Feb 11, 2010 3:26 PM, "b_s-wilk" wrote: >> > The liberals just want to make everyone equally miserable. > > > > > Or, perhaps just more equally situated and hopefully happy, referred > > to as Communism in some ci... > The communist label would be wrong, however. Socialism, as in Scandinavia, is a better description for liberal societies where people are happy with their gummints. The Republican deficits he complains about will go away when we can get the corporations out of our government. Fast networks for people will make businesses more profitable too. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] popoz...@earthlink.net has shared: Apple iPad's Tiny SIM Is Just There to Mess With You
Ironically those wild claims probably came from Apple itself. Keeps them in the news longer if they leak little bits at a time. On Feb 11, 2010 10:31 AM, "tjpa" wrote: On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:57 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > > Please remember the cardinal rule. Nev... I'm really impressed by the size of the disinformation campaign that has been launched against Apple. My version 1.0 iPod was amazing and I only recently replaced it. Most damaging to Apple are the wild claims circulating that Apple is going to drop the price. And Saint Bill Gates is not being quoted saying that the iPod needs a parallel port. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple iPhone reads SD cards with ZoomIt accessory
Can't imagine this thing won't go down in price, a usb card reader is ten bux or less... On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > That's OK I am sure Tom does not want to see the Cnet report about a poll > Retrevo did about the expected demand for the Ipad. > > Stewart > > > > At 06:59 PM 2/8/2010, you wrote: > Amazing! Apple iPhones get an oversized, clunky, overpriced add-on to do > what most newer phones can do out-of-the-box, at no extra charge. Actually > it isn't nearly as good, because it's too big, and doesn't do the micro SD > cards without a carrier. > > Sometimes Bauhaus design just doesn't work as well as elegant designs that >> have useful technology built-in--and almost invisible. >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] os concept
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/08/locus-os-concept-video-shows-the-future-of-computing-right-no/ Good clean looking OS model, looks a bit android, a bit iphone but also more. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Perhaps Tom should try the google to find out who said knife the baby. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: > computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of tjpa > > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 2:21 PM > > To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > > Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it > > > So, the simple fact that it was NOT Gates who said this is of no > > > relevance. Acknowledging that it was an Apple guy, not an MS guy, > > > would interfere too much with MS-bashing. Can't have that. > > > > Not that the facts have anything to do with what Chris espouses... > > > > UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Plaintiff, > >vs. > > MICROSOFT CORPORATION, Defendant. > > > > COURT'S FINDINGS OF FACT > > "106. In their discussions with Apple, Microsoft's representatives > > made it clear that, if Apple continued to market multimedia playback > > software for Windows 95 that presented a platform for content > > development, then Microsoft would enter the authoring business to > > ensure that those writing multimedia content for Windows 95 > > concentrated on Microsoft's APIs instead of Apple's. The Microsoft > > representatives further stated that, if Microsoft was compelled to > > develop and market authoring tools in competition with Apple, the > > technologies provided in those tools might very well be inconsistent > > with those provided by Apple's tools. Finally, the Microsoft > > executives warned, Microsoft would invest whatever resources were > > necessary to ensure that developers used its tools; its investment > > would not be constrained by the fact that authoring software generated > > only modest revenue." > > > > http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm > > Gosh, I've looked everywhere in this for where Bill Gates or any other MS > representative said anything about knifing or babies, and I'm not finding > it. Perhaps you can locate it for me and give me the > page number. Thanks. > > But your larger point is accurate. Obviously MS's threat to write > multimedia authoring software, as displayed above, cry out for comparisons > between Bill Gates and Kim Il-Sung. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Actually knife the baby came from Tevanian in court, he said it in regards to Quicktime. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: > Chris, "Knife the baby." Was a direct quote from Bill Gates, who said it > when a startup told him they would not agree to a purchase offer from > M$. > > Thank you, > Mark Snyder > -Original Message- > > Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from "Knife > > the baby" to savior... > > "Knife the baby"??! Good Lord, he must be doing something I haven't > heard about. He's a war profiteer, maybe? He's been selling munitions to > terrorists? Peddling tainted infant formula to Third World > countries? Selling cars that he knows to be unsafe at any speed? > Charging exorbitant rents for rat-infested tenements and kicking orphans > out onto the street? > > Do you actually picture the guy like he's in some flickering silent > movie, twirling his mustaches and tying Nell to the railroad track? > > Come on. He made an OS you don't like, and his company has engaged in > some aggressive and occasionally questionable business practices that > aren't significantly different from what thousands of other > businesses have done--or would if they could. > > There aren't any dead babies. A little perspective would be nice. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] popoz...@earthlink.net has shared: Apple iPad's Tiny SIM Is Just There to Mess With You
*It appears increasingly likely that this decision was driven not by space considerations (after all, the iPad is much larger than the iPhone), but rather by AT&T’s business strategy. This way, they can charge customers twice for 3G wireless data: Once for the iPhone, and once for the iPad.* Gee, you think? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google: evil, indifferent or disorganized?
Windows almost never let you upgrade the OS on your phone, of course the updates were very few and very far between. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:46 AM, mike wrote: > > > This could be google's big weakness...a fragmented os distribution. We > are > > going to have phones floating around with 1.5, 1.62.0 etc. Some with > > multitouch, some not...although all of them are capable. I know sprint > is > > going to offer the 2.1 update when it's cooked, but will verizon? Who > > knows. > > > > I've got an upgrade due me from VZ and I am just waiting to see if the > Droid keeps current. I think that this has been a problem with Windows > Mobile all along with so many different configs out there. > > -- > John Duncan Yoyo > ---o) > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google: evil, indifferent or disorganized?
This could be google's big weakness...a fragmented os distribution. We are going to have phones floating around with 1.5, 1.62.0 etc. Some with multitouch, some not...although all of them are capable. I know sprint is going to offer the 2.1 update when it's cooked, but will verizon? Who knows. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:18 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > This week google shipped multi-touch for 2.1.1 OS which is on the Nexxus 1. > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:56 PM, John Duncan Yoyo > wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:39 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > > > >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:05 PM, David K Watson wrote: > >> > >>> Also, because of the many Android OS versions and hardware > >>> models, there is no guarantee that any particular Android app will work > >>> on > >>> any given Android phone. People like choice, sure, but they also need > a > >>> degree of certainty to base their choices on. > >>> > >> > >> You must consider that Google is new to consumer hardware and Apple has > >> had decades of experience in this arena. Google is going to have to > learn > >> many important lessons via the school of hard knocks. > >> > >> The story I heard on one of the Twit shows this was Apple asked Google > not > > to enable multi-touch on the Droid. Apple believed it's patent was weak > on > > multitouch and they did't believe it would survive a challenge. That > > doesn't make tons of sense but but lots of patent law applied to software > > doesn't. In addition there are multi touch capabilities in the Android > OS- > > the shift key for one. > > > > > > -- > > John Duncan Yoyo > > ---o) > > > > > > -- > John Duncan Yoyo > ---o) > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The Other Digital: Radio
Read the sentence again: the audio is still analog, but there is a digital data stream along with it that is used for station ID/playlist/etc. information. This is different from digital TV, where the entire signal is digital. Mike Art Clemons wrote: I think you are under a misunderstanding. HD radio is NOT "digital". It is a proprietary format analog signal with a digital adjunct. See: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio> Both IBOC signals are truly digital although on AM, it's a Hybrid Digital system. Please note that your quoted source to rebut the claim that HD is digital states: "HD Radio is the trademark for iBiquity's in-band on-channel (IBOC) digital radio technology used by AM and FM radio stations to transmit audio and data via a digital signal in conjunction with their analog signals.' * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The Other Digital: Radio
I think you are under a misunderstanding. HD radio is NOT "digital". It is a proprietary format analog signal with a digital adjunct. See: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio> The only "digital radios" are either satellite (Sirius/XM) which requires a paid subscription, special receiver, and an external antenna or "internet radios" that access radio stations' audio streams by connecting to the internet. In these two cases, the quality of the sound is generally mediocre compared to high quality analog sources like CD, tape, LP, etc. Mike Constance Warner wrote: With all this discussion of digital communication frameworks, real and potential, there's one medium that hasn't yet been mentioned: digital radio. I'd like to know what experience, if any, list members have had with digital radio. I've heard that digital radios have come down in price to something halfway reasonable--possibly as low as $50. The advantage: once you have the set, the signals are free; no subscription charges. Just turn the set on, like those other old-fashioned over-the-air broadcast media. The disadvantage: digital radio broadcasting isn't nearly as common as FM or AM stations. (It would be no fun to take your shiny new digital radio out of the box, turn it on, and get---static.) So does anybody out there have a digital radio--or do your friends have them--and if so, what's your/their experience? I'm especially interested in the presence (or absence) of digital radio broadcasting in the National Capitol Area. --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Back up what you are talking about. A link..something. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:41 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Feb 5, 2010, at 5:02 PM, mike wrote: > >> It's crazy stuff like this that makes it impossible to believe anything >> you >> say. You've admitted you don't use an iPhone or any kind of smartphone >> yet >> you are full of 'facts'. Then when you may actually have a point, we are >> left to wonder id its true or just more Tom troll >> > > There you go again. When you are wrong on the facts to start attacking > people. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
It's crazy stuff like this that makes it impossible to believe anything you say. You've admitted you don't use an iPhone or any kind of smartphone yet you are full of 'facts'. Then when you may actually have a point, we are left to wonder id its true or just more Tom troll. On Feb 5, 2010 12:59 PM, "tjpa" wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > > The only problem with Apples model is t... Not true. You can always buy a malware infested Droid. Their capabilities are very much like Apple's except they don't have an app review process. Your choice. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
They have been noting that for years. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > It is interesting to note that Apple has changed its name to Apple Inc. and > dropped computer. > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
I think perhaps it's just that I see the ipod touch/iphone as the start of the revolution and you may see the ipad as the start. Either way, Apple is leading the charge on this again as they did on mp3, I just hope the content wars over ipads/kindles/tablets don't cause more casualties on the customer side, gaining 'innovation' at the cost of control. The publisher who pulled out of amazon for (probably) the ipad worries me more than I'm hopeful in what the ipad might bring. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) < mark.sny...@ngc.com> wrote: > If you look for obvious revolutionary new, you will not see the impact. > Jobs gave us a clue: standing on their shoulders. His intent, I believe > is to change how consumers, maybe businesses as well, view the hand > held, wireless and portable device market by putting it together to add > more value. Don't know how it will play out, but I will be watching to > see what Apple does and how they do it. > > I am not dismissing it, as you seem to be Mike, because I think watching > will be fun and I will learn from it. > > Thank you, > Mark Snyder > -Original Message- > Well it's hardly a paradigm change, Jobs is doing what other devices > have > already done before him..and some would argue better. The kindle comes > with > free wireless, you can download books anywhere for free. Apple is > simply > doing what they have done for years, take existing products and trying > to > make them better. > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) > > wrote: > > > Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device > > paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. > > > > Thank you, > > Mark Snyder > > -Original Message- > > I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the > > revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time > > Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add > > what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the > > news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch > > of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very > > interesting device. > > > > > > > > > I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major > > qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can > > achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to > > reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize > > our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not > > have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and > > you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly > > different. This is a big deal. > > > > > > > > * > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy > ** > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ > ** > > > > * > > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy > ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ > ** > > * > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
You are changing the parameters to win an argument. No one, least of all me said use the cloud for backup. We are specifically talking about cell phones...devices that by their nature need access to the network to work. I'm not putting my dissertation on google docs and trying to access it with my iphone..I'm talking about the ability if you have a device with only 8 gigs of storage, to keep pictures you might want to see once in awhile on a server accessible by your phone. Not back them up there, just toss them there in case you want to bore your friends with your kid dressed as superman. http://twitpic.com/u7kyz On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:24:55 -0800, mike escribió: > > >> I sort of agree with the storage aspect, but that is relative also...to >> some >> 4 gigs is enough, others want 64 gigs and that still isn't enough. With >> cloud based services many things can be left on the net and accessed as >> needed from an iphone or android etc. I keep a lot of pictures on >> sugarsync >> so it doesn't take up storage on my phone even though I have a 16 gig card >> in my phone. >> > > There you go with that "cloud" nonsense. Fine if you live, work and travel > only where there's reliable, affordable broadband, but that's not most of > the country--or the world. The "cloud" is not a good place for data that you > need to access at any time. > > I've had to rely on remote servers that "done me wrong" for too many years. > Don't trust them. Never did. No reason to rely on them in the near or > not-so-near future. Have you ever lost data on a remote server? Have you > ever stored important data that you couldn't access because the network > wasn't available or the server was down? Still happens often enough not to > rely on the "cloud". > > Andy Ihnatko says of backups, "If it doesn't exist in 3 places, it doesn't > exist." Using the cloud for backup is like a 3-legged stool with one leg > [the cloud] taped together with one layer of paper tape. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft’s Creative Destruction
Lucky for MS, they don't have unions sucking them dry...it's just their own lack of creative force. Or how about even *trying* to play catch up? How long since the iphone came out? And still we are looking at the craptastically bad windows mobile. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:33 PM, tjp wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html > > "Microsoft’s huge profits — $6.7 billion for the past quarter — come almost > entirely from Windows and Office programs first developed decades ago. Like > G.M. with its trucks and S.U.V.’s, Microsoft can’t count on these venerable > products to sustain it forever. Perhaps worst of all, Microsoft is no longer > considered the cool or cutting-edge place to work. There has been a steady > exit of its best and brightest." > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
You know it's funny how you didn't actual insert the quote you were responding too...you know the part where I said Apple was safer...so odd. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:54 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:31 PM, mike wrote: > >> Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. >> > > Mike will say just about anything to advance his far-out agenda. > > Now taking good care of one's clients has morphed into selling "fear." > > The logical conclusion is that the buggier and infested an operating system > is the more Mike will praise it. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Well it's a good thing logic never stops you, we are all entertained the more for it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:54 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:31 PM, mike wrote: > >> Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. >> > > Mike will say just about anything to advance his far-out agenda. > > Now taking good care of one's clients has morphed into selling "fear." > > The logical conclusion is that the buggier and infested an operating system > is the more Mike will praise it. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
I think Apple has been smart to stay away from big productions about Apple being 'safer' than windows even if they are. It presents a bad image and negativity overall. I think it is implied in their ease of use advertising etc. Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:20 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > Since when is Apple's marketing strategy based on fear? Beauty, utility, > but fear? This is something new that has nothing to do with being different > or innovative. > > > And some of us will brave the big bold outside world and get out of >> Apple's >> walled garden. And we are rewarded. >> >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, tjpa wrote: >> >> On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: >>> >>> Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. >>> If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That >>> is >>> how you choose. >>> >>> > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
I sort of agree with the storage aspect, but that is relative also...to some 4 gigs is enough, others want 64 gigs and that still isn't enough. With cloud based services many things can be left on the net and accessed as needed from an iphone or android etc. I keep a lot of pictures on sugarsync so it doesn't take up storage on my phone even though I have a 16 gig card in my phone. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > >> > The iPhone was a step backwards, missing essential features. While the OS > is very user-friendly, its ties to one network are troublesome. I understand > that when you unlock a US version iPhone, some important features break, > even with AT&T. It has limited storage, while other companies realize that > limiting storage by the size of a card instead of installed memory is better > than wasting a lot of time storing data online where it may not be available > at all times, especially when you need it. The iPad is another step > backwards because it isn't compatible with other US GSM networks. > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
And some of us will brave the big bold outside world and get out of Apple's walled garden. And we are rewarded. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > >> Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by >> limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are >> over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not >> simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. >> > > If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That is > how you choose. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
