Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Nice theory, but I run an open community site in the Washington DC area, not a PC oriented site. If anything, one would expect a _higher_ than normal percentage of Mac users. On 7/29/07, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, Mark. Maybe 2% is all the Mac visitors to Tony's site. The rest aren't interested in going there. That's his stats, not Apple's reality. Sounds like sour grapes. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Admittedly this is a small sample but my stat logs back up what Tony claimed 168,000 total page requests 160,700 Windows 5130 OS Unknown 1204 Mac 619 Unix 614 Linux 4 SunOS 1 Other Unix 209 Known robots In percentage terms: Windows 97.72 Unknown 1.15 MacOS .96 the rest .29 So, even assuming unknown are all Mac, 2.11% The browser stats are just as interesting (IMO) IE 155,700 Netscape /Mozilla and Netscape compatible 8630 msnbot 1191 Konqueror 421 Java 389 Opera 162 the rest (bots and spiders) 1426 Which begs the question: how much time and money SHOULD a developer or business spend making their site easily usable to 'all' browsers? - Original Message - From: b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Come on, Mark. Maybe 2% is all the Mac visitors to Tony's site. The rest aren't interested in going there. That's his stats, not Apple's reality. Sounds like sour grapes. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
The problem is there is only one browser that is mucking it up for the rest. There is absolutely no reason why IE can't conform to standards other then trying once again to try and leverage other companies out. There aren't any gee wiz technologies coming from IE to warrant the issues they cause. Mike On 7/29/07, Tom Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which begs the question: how much time and money SHOULD a developer or business spend making their site easily usable to 'all' browsers? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I don't disagree. But given the penetration that IE already has often determines by default what a developer does. - Original Message - From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit The problem is there is only one browser that is mucking it up for the rest. There is absolutely no reason why IE can't conform to standards other then trying once again to try and leverage other companies out. There aren't any gee wiz technologies coming from IE to warrant the issues they cause. Mike On 7/29/07, Tom Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which begs the question: how much time and money SHOULD a developer or business spend making their site easily usable to 'all' browsers? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/mai llist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 7/28/2007 3:50 PM * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
The browser stats are just as interesting (IMO) So, even assuming unknown are all Mac, 2.11% If you are making the decision for *your* site then your stats *may* be a good guide. But you also need to consider if: 1) The content of your site might just be unappealing to effeminate Mac users. 2) It may be smarter to target who you want, rather than who you have. 3) Many Mac users set their browser to masquerade as Win IE to avoid brain-dead gatekeeper pages. So you may not bee seeing them. 3) A significant percentage of vistors to websites are from bots and crawlers looking to map your site or find vulnerabilities. While the legitimate ones will be using Xnix, the botnets will be using PCs. That will skew stats significantly. Your stats show too few crawlers so this is suspicious. 4) We don't know how accurate your detection is. Your browser stats look very skewed. Perhaps MS wrote your logging software? Which begs the question: how much time and money SHOULD a developer or business spend making their site easily usable to 'all' browsers? If you make your site hostile to anyone not using Win IE you are creating a self-fulfilling situation. The share of non-MSIE browsers in the general population is about 25%. If you think that much of the market is insignificant you may be making a bad decision. A good source of stats is marketshare.hitslink.com * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
On Jul 29, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Tom Campbell wrote: Admittedly this is a small sample but my stat logs back up what Tony claimed I make signs. It is quite obvious to me that in the signmaking business, Windows machines are hugely dominant. Rare is the sign shop that uses Macs, and it is likely that no franchise operation uses Macs. Your stats do not surprise me at all. Ditto for the picture framing industry. Frame shops that use Macs are virtually unheard of. That is because almost all producers of software for the framing industry write solely for Windows. If you want to computerize your frame shop, you essentially have to run Windows. Therefore, any framing related website will indicate stats similar to yours. Automotive service and dealerships, the same thing. I have never seen anything but DOS/Windows running in a car dealership or service facility in my entire life. Related websites would show stats like yours, and probably far more skewed toward Windows. Lawyers similarly are almost exclusively Windows users, so ditto for stats on legal websites. Lawyers also predominately use AOL, which is why it is not so jokingly referred to as Attorneys On Line. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I don't disagree. But given the penetration that IE already has often determines by default what a developer does. Depends on the psychological profile of the developer. A daily drudge for whom it is all just a job will probably code for Win IE and do as little as possible to be hospitable to other browsers. Somebody who is excited by Web technology and loves to keep up with the cutting edge will be coding to the W3C standard and then using one of the patch libraries to fix IE or adding code to dumb down the page to work with IE. Dreamweaver even has several IE work-arounds available from its menus. Personally, I don't think we should allow MS to dumb down the Web. In our trainig classes we stress the stuff that works well in all current browsers. We only occasionally show stuff the does not work in IE. When we teach a non-IE feature we caution students to use it to enhance a page that already works in IE. So the msssing function will just be a nice enhancement, not a critical function. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I didn't research it fully having marginal interest in the facts...I am cursed with a total recall memory...it was somewhere on the Yahoo! Homepage in the tech news or business news ...the iPhone is gonna need interoperability (betwixt air vendors, I sure ain'gonna pay $2/min when traveling outa the USA), 3g (not just gprs), unlock (to do what they have done in Europe for years...you travel stop in a corner store buy a sim with minutes you throw away or just call in your credit card # to renew), a high degree of open source (like my BELOVED razrV3 to which I have added quite a few improvements), most of all, a user replacable battery (jeez, what are they thinking?? For instance...my v3 came with a 750mAh battery which I promptly replaced with a 1900mAh aftermarket battery which works perfectly). Further, the original v3 had volume issues with the ear speaker with BT. Outside programmers (hackers) provided access means to the gain table which, when tweaked, gives good volume for both. Shortly in my first year I scratched the case leading to sadness. Motorola wanted a lot of money to replace the case; don't even talk about Cingular. I went on a website well known to everyone v3 oriented and ordered the OEM parts furnished with clear illustrated instructions and even the needed torx screwdriver fixed it myself for a fraction of the cost. Enterprising individuals, together with OperaMini to replace the horrible internal WAP browser many other Java software titles, have made my v3 a pleasure to have and use! A phone is not a prison!! I will not get an iPhone until they settle many if not most of those issues. -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 12:36 PM To: rlsimon Subject: RE: Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit But, I read somewhere the profit was from iPods stuff, not iPhone which, disappointed ...their words! Whenever you read something like that you should make a note of the author's name in your works for Microsoft list. The iPhone is just out a few weeks so profits should be $zero in last quarter's figures. With the high volume of sales and a price that is double the manufacturing cost Apple has a lot of wiggle room to adjust to market conditions if they need to. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
2) It may be smarter to target who you want, rather than who you have My website is basically an order form and info site for customers. We don't use the web to solicit for customers. We provide outdoor advertising DC metro only so are uninterested in global marketing. Our customers use what they use. 3) A significant percentage of vistors to websites are from bots and crawlers looking to map your site or find vulnerabilities. While the there are lots of bots listed in my stats but in the interest of brevity, i lumped them all together They didn't support nor detract from the point I was making 4) We don't know how accurate your detection is. Your browser stats look very skewed. Perhaps MS wrote your logging software? I believe it is IIS raw logs Skewed how? On what do you base this? The report actually lists MSIE/6, MSIE/5, MSIE/4, MSIE/3, Mozilla/1, Mozilla/0, Netscape7, 8, 4 etc. There is actually a fair amount of detail by version. (5 different opera lisings) If you make your site hostile to anyone not using Win IE you are creating a self-fulfilling situation I'm not talking about actively making the website 'hostile' We've tested for IE, Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox. various versions. We've not bothered with Opera, Konqueror, etc. The share of non-MSIE browsers in the general population is about 25% Proffer??? : src=? If you think that much of the market is insignificant you may be making a bad decision. If that is so, I agree. I just don't know where some of the statistics come from. I shared our real world experience. That's all I have to go on. We've had no (zero) calls from 3800 customers saying that the website doesn't work with their browser. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I still watch my 1984 Sony 25 xbr set and my v3 fone purchased in early 2005 and have, at present, no plans to replace it since it works fine with improvements to the firmware/software that I have installed and new case parts purchased and installed by yours truly as well. I drove a 1984 Chev S10 Blazer until last summer when I got a Toyota even though the truck was still running. My wife drove a 1987 VW Golf also still running when she gave it up (kickingscreaming) for a Jetta wagon around the same time. She still gives me a hard time over that and claims she would like the previous car back. Obsolescence is a myth; if the thing works for me, I don't melt with envy over a screen rotation scheme. My v3 will show webpages in landscape via a hacked version of my favorite browser from Russia. I hardly use it that way. My windows95 TI TM4000m 20mb/3gb laptop was in constant use until I finally gave in a couple of years ago and got a refurb dell pIV2 when the maxed ram on the laptop became stressful. If it had the capacity for more ram, I might still be using it. Conspicuous consumption!! Arrrgh!! -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 4:35 PM To: rlsimon; * Computer Guys Listserv Subject: RE: Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit most of all, a user replacable battery (jeez, what are they thinking?? For instance...my v3 came with a 750mAh battery which I promptly replaced with a 1900mAh aftermarket battery which works perfectly). A phone is not a prison!! I will not get an iPhone until they settle many if not most of those issues. I think some people anguish way to much about future hypotheticals. They said the same thing about the iPod. The battery in my 1st gen (2001) iPod lasted for many years. I replaced it once for around $35. I fully expect to be getting a new iPod before this 2nd battery needs replacement. I never expected to still be using it 6 years later. Why make up silly reasons to not get an iPhone? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I did not intend that you should go out and single handedly try to destroy the American economy. To the contrary, I was encouraging immediate consumption. The feature the current model lacks may not be as important as some think it is. I still watch my 1984 Sony 25 xbr set and my v3 fone purchased in early 2005 and have, at present, no plans to replace it since it works fine with improvements to the firmware/software that I have installed and new case parts purchased and installed by yours truly as well. I drove a 1984 Chev S10 Blazer until last summer when I got a Toyota even though the truck was still running. My wife drove a 1987 VW Golf also still running when she gave it up (kickingscreaming) for a Jetta wagon around the same time. She still gives me a hard time over that and claims she would like the previous car back. Obsolescence is a myth; if the thing works for me, I don't melt with envy over a screen rotation scheme. My v3 will show webpages in landscape via a hacked version of my favorite browser from Russia. I hardly use it that way. My windows95 TI TM4000m 20mb/3gb laptop was in constant use until I finally gave in a couple of years ago and got a refurb dell pIV2 when the maxed ram on the laptop became stressful. If it had the capacity for more ram, I might still be using it. Conspicuous consumption!! Arrrgh!! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Steve, WADR, none of your reasons sound even remotely right. I would suggest: 1. Development of market share is a choatic process which entails a great sensitivity to initial conditions. You can almost never trace market outcomes (especially when there are oligarchis tendencies) in a simple way to buyer preferences. 2. I have been pricing/buying pc's since the early 90's and never bought a Mac. (until last year). Reason 1: PC' were used at work Reason 2: Price (as well as price of peripeherals) Reason 3: availability of software (not necessarily quality of software) Btw, Since the earliest days Dos-Windows has always been considered unstable and the x86 chipset a real hack with its segmented memory architecture. Btw, I think one of the reasons that Mac-PC debate is so acrimonious is because it folds in real class differences. I was a grunt in the computer industry for five years before I started to get any decent income. Speaking from experience, if you have to save months or longer to buy a computer (and they were expensive in the early days) the price difference between Mac and PC was significant and the TCO arguments irrelevant..(Apple peripeheral were also more expensive). I am by no means a Windows (or Intel) fan-boy. But in my gut, when the tone of advocacy for apples attempts to make a necessary decision (ie, buying a pc because I didn't want to wait save an additional month or two) sound like a dumb decision, I am extremely uncomfortable and understand why this is such a explosive debate.. The flip side of the coin, is that historically Wintel partisans tend to cast Apple users as frivolous, unsophisticated (perhaps unmanly?). What did Rodney King say? Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 26, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Tony B wrote: This is such a badly constructed sentence I can't be sure if you're dissing Apple or Windows. :) Okay. The sentence was not well put together. I was not dissing either, but I was searching for the reason that Mac did not gain the market share that Windows machines have. Windows folks quite often appear to loathe the Mac as much as Mac users often appear want to avoid the Windows platform. So, to rephrase my original sentence, does Apple not have the market share enjoyed by Windows machines because purchasers of computers think the Macs are not only horribly ugly, but are just plain lousy to begin with, or is it because the Mac OS over the years has been perceived to be unstable and therefore almost useless? Or, is it because Apple did not zero in on the office and business environment primarily at the outset, and instead appealed to the more artistically inclined computer user. Or, was there some other primary reason, such as not licensing out, except for a short time, the manufacturing of the machines that the Mac OS runs on? I can assure you that there are as many, and probably many more Windows fanboys than there are Mac fanboys. I have been informed by numerous Windows users that they would never even consider buying a Mac. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Oh that great philosopher...'can't we all just get along?' On 7/28/07, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What did Rodney King say? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
The flip side of the coin, is that historically Wintel partisans tend to cast Apple users as frivolous, unsophisticated (perhaps unmanly?). So true. The first word that comes into the mind of an Apple cognoscenti at the sight of a Windows PC is squalid. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Jul 28, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Paul Meyer wrote: Steve, WADR, none of your reasons sound even remotely right. I would suggest: I must tell you that I was being quite ridiculous on purpose to a fair degree. 2. I have been pricing/buying pc's since the early 90's and never bought a Mac. (until last year). Reason 1: PC' were used at work Reason 2: Price (as well as price of peripeherals) Reason 3: availability of software (not necessarily quality of software) I fully agree with this point. DOS machines were for the office crowd, they were less costly and they had the business software available. Also, everybody and their brother was making DOS machines, and the same applies today for Windows machines. The market was/is flooded. Btw, Since the earliest days Dos-Windows has always been considered unstable and the x86 chipset a real hack with its segmented memory architecture. i know. Again, I was being intentionally silly when suggesting that the Mac OS was perceived to be historically flaky. Btw, I think one of the reasons that Mac-PC debate is so acrimonious is because it folds in real class differences. I was a grunt in the computer industry for five years before I started to get any decent income. What class differences are you referring to? Income levels? The nature of work that one buys a PC to do versus a Mac? The iconoclast versus the lemmings, no insult intended? I gravitated from the Atari line to the Mac, and I feel it was primarily because the Atari was more Mac-like than PC-like that I made that decision. The Mac was considered to be the better graphics machine, and that was/is my line of work. Speaking from experience, if you have to save months or longer to buy a computer (and they were expensive in the early days) the price difference between Mac and PC was significant and the TCO arguments irrelevant..(Apple peripeheral were also more expensive). Agreed. The flip side of the coin, is that historically Wintel partisans tend to cast Apple users as frivolous, unsophisticated (perhaps unmanly?). Agreed. If by unmanly and unsophisticated you mean to say that Mac users are not often having to get out the tool box to go under the hood and fix things, then I'll live with those terms. What did Rodney King say? Hey, I love my Windows brothers and sisters. I just hate to hear that their computer is down again, or that it is running slow again and it has only been a couple of weeks since the tech last fixed that problem. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Jul 28, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: So true. The first word that comes into the mind of an Apple cognoscenti at the sight of a Windows PC is squalid. Ouch! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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What class differences are you referring to? Income levels? The nature of work that one buys a PC to do versus a Mac? The iconoclast versus the lemmings, no insult intended? Did you see any of the TV interviews with the guy who did the cluster analysis about how hanging with fat people will greatly increase the odds of your getting fat? Did you notice the brand of computer he used to diaplay his cluster chart? Did you catch the News Hour interview with Matt Groening of Simpsons fame? Did you notice the brand of computer he did his work on? Etc. Etc. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Sorry, I suspected you were indulging in rhetorical hyperbole. The danger of email is that without emoticons the affect of the writer is totally flat (i.e., without spelling it out, hard express sarcasm) I think the class differences are sometimes sociological and sometimes contextual. My parents were poor new class (well educated, not much income) so I got sent to college without a type writer, let alone a computer (I knew there was this really cool thing called word-processing but I didn't go to a school where you had access to computers..., not uncommon for middle class kids in the stone age, let alone bring one to college). For the first 5 years of working in computing all my training was informal and for that time I was essentially a serf in a NYC consulting firm. Technical fields are traditionally an avenue of social advancement because they rely on specialized skills not dependent on background (contrast with service professions). Immigrants, kids from blue-collar or rural families etc. get drawn to engineering as a profession for obvious reasons. Even here there are factors affecting income and professional status, ie, formal vs on-the-job training, associate v bachelors v graduate degree. Do you own your business or were in a job setting where an employer would spring for hardware and/or training? My only real point is that even in as affluent and celebrated a sector as high tech there are lots of folks struggling, if not just to get by, then struggling to get ahead (I think we forget that in a dynamic business those things can be the same thing). -P * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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PS Exactly to your point, I also forgot to mention that yes another difference between mac and pc users. Mac users often were established professionals looking for the right tool, the best value. That implies that they were already established well enough to invest their own careers/productive assets. Code monkeys who want to pick a saleable new skill by tinkering at night at home bought pc's (mea culpa). Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I suspected you were indulging in rhetorical hyperbole. The danger of email is that without emoticons the affect of the writer is totally flat (i.e., without spelling it out, hard express sarcasm) I think the class differences are sometimes sociological and sometimes contextual. My parents were poor new class (well educated, not much income) so I got sent to college without a type writer, let alone a computer (I knew there was this really cool thing called word-processing but I didn't go to a school where you had access to computers..., not uncommon for middle class kids in the stone age, let alone bring one to college). For the first 5 years of working in computing all my training was informal and for that time I was essentially a serf in a NYC consulting firm. Technical fields are traditionally an avenue of social advancement because they rely on specialized skills not dependent on background (contrast with service professions). Immigrants, kids from blue-collar or rural families etc. get drawn to engineering as a profession for obvious reasons. Even here there are factors affecting income and professional status, ie, formal vs on-the-job training, associate v bachelors v graduate degree. Do you own your business or were in a job setting where an employer would spring for hardware and/or training? My only real point is that even in as affluent and celebrated a sector as high tech there are lots of folks struggling, if not just to get by, then struggling to get ahead (I think we forget that in a dynamic business those things can be the same thing). -P * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Jul 28, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Paul Meyer wrote: PS Exactly to your point, I also forgot to mention that yes another difference between mac and pc users. Mac users often were established professionals looking for the right tool, the best value. That implies that they were already established well enough to invest their own careers/productive assets. Well, I cannot say how well established I was as a graphics person, but I did use my own monetary assets to purchase all my gear, and I knew that I wanted Macintosh. Actually, I could not afford exactly the machines I wanted and that would best suit my needs, so I bought used equipment instead which served me quite well, and still do. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Jul 28, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Did you see any of the TV interviews with the guy who did the cluster analysis about how hanging with fat people will greatly increase the odds of your getting fat? Did you notice the brand of computer he used to diaplay his cluster chart? Did you catch the News Hour interview with Matt Groening of Simpsons fame? Did you notice the brand of computer he did his work on? Etc. Etc. Didn't see any of either, but I get your drift. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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But, I read somewhere the profit was from iPods stuff, not iPhone which, disappointed ...their words! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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If I understand the hubbub on the Iphone it was released just before the end of the quarter and they only counted those which had been sold during the quarter. But for a device that is also a Cell phone it has sold a very huge amount compared to the many models sold by Nokia, Motoroloa, LG and the slim number of smartphones out there. And that is sold by one individual carrier where most of these cell's are sold by a variety of carriers. Stewart At 07:21 PM 7/28/2007, you wrote: But, I read somewhere the profit was from iPods stuff, not iPhone which, disappointed ...their words! Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Come on, Mark. Maybe 2% is all the Mac visitors to Tony's site. The rest aren't interested in going there. That's his stats, not Apple's reality. Sounds like sour grapes. I'm buying a new MacBook so I can run multiple OS's and do some artwork. My husband replaced his iBook with a Compaq because all he does is surf and do word processing, and he can get it for $200 after rebates. Neither of us have been to Tony's site with either computer to affect his stats. Betty Snyder, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have any scintilla of fact to back this up? Every statement looks to be contrary to facts I have seen. Mark Snyder -Original Message- That doesn't matter much though because Apple makes money on hardware, not software. I'm sure they are very happy to sell macs that will primarily run windows. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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At 12:51 PM -0500 7/26/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Apple stated how they accounted for the sales (270,000) and ATT stated how they accounted for the sales (146,000). Apple counted all it had shipped, and ATT counted all it had sold, not including any on order or in transit (I leave that for a discussion on accounting rules and how they are used.), plus there is the fudge factor of those who bought phones but did not activate as they were trying to reap a profit in the after market. ATT reported ACTIVATIONS of iPhones, NOT sales. Wired http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/07/apple-270k-ipho.html speculates that the discrepancy was caused by delays in activations as ATT's system was swamped, and also to people buying two iPhones, hoping to e-Bay the second for a profit. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Offices focused on the tremendous advantage PCs had over Apple - purchase price on the hardware and the software. Apple was trying to master solutions; PC vendors were trying to offer lowest price combos of hardware and software from many different manufacturers. M$ Windows was their all-purpose, one size fits all glue to hold it all together. But that is all that purchasing departments looked at. Productivity did not impress the purchasing dept. PC manufacturers made more PCs. Apple's master solution configuration has been steadily improving in the interim while the price has become more competitive. Mark Snyder -Original Message- snip I was not dissing either, but I was searching for the reason that Mac did not gain the market share that Windows machines have. Windows folks quite often appear to loathe the Mac as much as Mac users often appear want to avoid the Windows platform. So, to rephrase my original sentence, does Apple not have the market share enjoyed by Windows machines because purchasers of computers think the Macs are not only horribly ugly, but are just plain lousy to begin with, or is it because the Mac OS over the years has been perceived to be unstable and therefore almost useless? Or, is it because Apple did not zero in on the office and business environment primarily at the outset, and instead appealed to the more artistically inclined computer user. Or, was there some other primary reason, such as not licensing out, except for a short time, the manufacturing of the machines that the Mac OS runs on? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Jul 26, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Tony B wrote: This is such a badly constructed sentence I can't be sure if you're dissing Apple or Windows. :) Okay. The sentence was not well put together. I was not dissing either, but I was searching for the reason that Mac did not gain the market share that Windows machines have. Windows folks quite often appear to loathe the Mac as much as Mac users often appear want to avoid the Windows platform. So, to rephrase my original sentence, does Apple not have the market share enjoyed by Windows machines because purchasers of computers think the Macs are not only horribly ugly, but are just plain lousy to begin with, or is it because the Mac OS over the years has been perceived to be unstable and therefore almost useless? Or, is it because Apple did not zero in on the office and business environment primarily at the outset, and instead appealed to the more artistically inclined computer user. Or, was there some other primary reason, such as not licensing out, except for a short time, the manufacturing of the machines that the Mac OS runs on? I can assure you that there are as many, and probably many more Windows fanboys than there are Mac fanboys. I have been informed by numerous Windows users that they would never even consider buying a Mac. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I was searching for the reason that Mac did not gain the market share that Windows machines have Or, was there some other primary reason, such as not licensing out, except for a short time, the manufacturing of the machines that the Mac OS runs on? The answer has been well demonstrated in the courts. Have you already forgotten those famous words: Knife the baby. Just Google that phrase for a reminder. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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One of the salient links Tom refers to is to Business Week: http://www.businessweek.com/microsoft/updates/up81105b.htm So, Gates often used plain old fashioned muscle building the M$ empire. Mark Snyder -Original Message- The answer has been well demonstrated in the courts. Have you already forgotten those famous words: Knife the baby. Just Google that phrase for a reminder. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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That doesn't matter much though because Apple makes money on hardware, not software. I'm sure they are very happy to sell macs that will primarily run windows. Mike On 7/26/07, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably those 'demanding' Macs are using them to run Windows, because hits on my site are holding steady at around 2%. Oddly, not too much more than are running Windows Longhorn (Windows Server 2008) (1.6%). It's got to be particularly galling to Mac fanboys that in order to gain any kind of market share Apple is having to phase out of the computer OS business. On 7/25/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Inc.'s fiscal third-quarter profit soared more than 73 percent, fueled by demand for its Macintosh computers, the strength of its iPod media players and the sales of 270,000 iPhones in the first two days on the market. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
You will get no argument from me. It is just like Tom's posting about manipulating the stock market. There was no manipulation intended. Apple stated how they accounted for the sales (270,000) and ATT stated how they accounted for the sales (146,000). Apple counted all it had shipped, and ATT counted all it had sold, not including any on order or in transit (I leave that for a discussion on accounting rules and how they are used.), plus there is the fudge factor of those who bought phones but did not activate as they were trying to reap a profit in the after market. Stewart At 12:39 PM 7/26/2007, you wrote: They make a lot more money. I'm not sure why a knee jerk reaction from mac zealot is to scream they their money on software! They do..they really do! Adding the word 'more' to my email perhaps would have assuaged Mark's pain of my assertion. I can't find one article stating apple makes less then 35% on any ipod/iphone device. I don't understand why it's a bad thing they make more money on hardware, it wasn't a slam at all in any direction, just an analysis of cost studies of their hardware. Mike On 7/26/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what he was getting at is that they make more money and profitability on their hardware then they do on their software. Micro$oft makes more money on software than they do on hardware (Does anyone need to mention Xbox?) Also Dell is fast becoming an Insurance Giant. A few years ago it was revealed that Dell made more money on selling service agreements than it did on hardware. (Note Dell does not manufacture software but is a reseller of software) Those neat gold service plans that are sold with Dell are a real money maker for them. (I recently had to clean up after a Dell tech who replaced a MB and HD and did not reinstall any of the drivers! It was a Gold Level tech visit) So what he said was not inaccurate but it also was not a complete picture. Just like the number discrepancy between ATT and Apple on how many Iphones were sold the first week. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I apologize Tom I saw someone use the term manipulating. Apparently this roll out came right at the end of a quarter and with all the different accounting methods and regulations used some are cautious about booking potential sales as current. Stewart At 02:32 PM 7/26/2007, you wrote: It is just like Tom's posting about manipulating the stock market. I did not write anything about manipulating the stock market. I did write... Interesting to note that Apple shares dropped 7% on Tuesday on a bogus news story that iPhone sales were not up to expectations. On Wed shares were up 10% on news that the story was bogus and news that Apple profits were up 78%. The bogus story took ATT's numbers and compaired them to Apple's forecasts despite the fact that the two companys were using vastly different accounting methods. My point was: be careful what you read into what you read. I guess the reaction to my post proves my point. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
It is just like Tom's posting about manipulating the stock market. I did not write anything about manipulating the stock market. I did write... Interesting to note that Apple shares dropped 7% on Tuesday on a bogus news story that iPhone sales were not up to expectations. On Wed shares were up 10% on news that the story was bogus and news that Apple profits were up 78%. The bogus story took ATT's numbers and compaired them to Apple's forecasts despite the fact that the two companys were using vastly different accounting methods. My point was: be careful what you read into what you read. I guess the reaction to my post proves my point. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
They make a lot more money. I'm not sure why a knee jerk reaction from mac zealot is to scream they their money on software! They do..they really do! Adding the word 'more' to my email perhaps would have assuaged Mark's pain of my assertion. I can't find one article stating apple makes less then 35% on any ipod/iphone device. I don't understand why it's a bad thing they make more money on hardware, it wasn't a slam at all in any direction, just an analysis of cost studies of their hardware. Mike On 7/26/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what he was getting at is that they make more money and profitability on their hardware then they do on their software. Micro$oft makes more money on software than they do on hardware (Does anyone need to mention Xbox?) Also Dell is fast becoming an Insurance Giant. A few years ago it was revealed that Dell made more money on selling service agreements than it did on hardware. (Note Dell does not manufacture software but is a reseller of software) Those neat gold service plans that are sold with Dell are a real money maker for them. (I recently had to clean up after a Dell tech who replaced a MB and HD and did not reinstall any of the drivers! It was a Gold Level tech visit) So what he said was not inaccurate but it also was not a complete picture. Just like the number discrepancy between ATT and Apple on how many Iphones were sold the first week. Stewart At 11:56 AM 7/26/2007, Snyder, Mark wrote: Thank you for admitting that you just make it up from a combination of fuzzy memory/understanding and from self-serving, cherry-picked factoids. Apple makes money on software in addition to hardware. OS X upgrades cost money (10.3 to 10.4 cost around $125. for example). Apple software sales page is here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID ?n=nnmm=browsesort=Sorts=alphanode=home/mac_accessories/software Apple, Inc. is a computer and consumer electronics company according to analysts. They do make most of their money on bundled hardware and software (Macs, iPod and iPhone, AppleTV, etc.). Mark Snyder -Original Message- What else would they be making money on?? OS X comes *with* the mac..os x sold as a standalone OS pretty reasonable in price. Apple is hardware company, a good one that also makes good software for their hardware. But they are a hardware company. http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/mobile-wireless/personal-tech/ news/index.cfm?newsid=3853 One article of many that shows the iphone is making over 50% per unit sold. Maybe all the articles I'm seeing are wrong, where is the data you are seeing? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
On Jul 26, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Tony B wrote: It's got to be particularly galling to Mac fanboys that in order to gain any kind of market share Apple is having to phase out of the computer OS business. I think that what you are seeing are long term Windows users buying Macs so that they can still run their familiar WIndows applications, yet also have access to the Macintosh environment. Why else would they part with the perceived additional cost of a Mac unless they are being enticed by the Mac OS and what it has to offer? My personal experience with a few die-hard Windows users is that they are seriously considering a Mac as their next computer purchase, and for exactly the above reason. I see no evidence whatsoever that Apple is phasing itself out of the OS business. Does Apple not have the market share enjoyed by Windows machines because the computers they make are not only horribly ugly, but are just plain lousy to begin with, or is it because their operating systems over the years have traditionally been unstable and therefore almost useless? Or, is it because Apple did not focus almost exclusively on the button-down business office user and environment from the outset, and instead appealed to the more artistically inclined user? Or, is there some other reason that you can think of? As a Mac fanboy, I personally do not care one whit what Apple's market share is. Their market share played no role whatsoever in my decision to use Macs, it plays no role in my continuing enjoyment of the Mac, and it plays no role at all in my willingness to suggest Macs to anyone looking for a pleasant computing experience. In fact, I would guess that the big boys at Apple Corp. are not particularly agonizing over the fact that Windows machines outsell Macintosh machines. I think that Apple would have to resort to licensing others to build computers for them in order to really try to compete with the market penetration that Windows has. Apple already did that, and decided to stop the practice. I think that Apple is pretty happy these days. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Do you have any scintilla of fact to back this up? Every statement looks to be contrary to facts I have seen. Alberto Gonzales told him so. Must be. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
I think what he was getting at is that they make more money and profitability on their hardware then they do on their software. Micro$oft makes more money on software than they do on hardware (Does anyone need to mention Xbox?) Also Dell is fast becoming an Insurance Giant. A few years ago it was revealed that Dell made more money on selling service agreements than it did on hardware. (Note Dell does not manufacture software but is a reseller of software) Those neat gold service plans that are sold with Dell are a real money maker for them. (I recently had to clean up after a Dell tech who replaced a MB and HD and did not reinstall any of the drivers! It was a Gold Level tech visit) So what he said was not inaccurate but it also was not a complete picture. Just like the number discrepancy between ATT and Apple on how many Iphones were sold the first week. Stewart At 11:56 AM 7/26/2007, Snyder, Mark wrote: Thank you for admitting that you just make it up from a combination of fuzzy memory/understanding and from self-serving, cherry-picked factoids. Apple makes money on software in addition to hardware. OS X upgrades cost money (10.3 to 10.4 cost around $125. for example). Apple software sales page is here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID ?n=nnmm=browsesort=Sorts=alphanode=home/mac_accessories/software Apple, Inc. is a computer and consumer electronics company according to analysts. They do make most of their money on bundled hardware and software (Macs, iPod and iPhone, AppleTV, etc.). Mark Snyder -Original Message- What else would they be making money on?? OS X comes *with* the mac..os x sold as a standalone OS pretty reasonable in price. Apple is hardware company, a good one that also makes good software for their hardware. But they are a hardware company. http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/mobile-wireless/personal-tech/ news/index.cfm?newsid=3853 One article of many that shows the iphone is making over 50% per unit sold. Maybe all the articles I'm seeing are wrong, where is the data you are seeing? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Thank you for admitting that you just make it up from a combination of fuzzy memory/understanding and from self-serving, cherry-picked factoids. Apple makes money on software in addition to hardware. OS X upgrades cost money (10.3 to 10.4 cost around $125. for example). Apple software sales page is here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID ?n=nnmm=browsesort=Sorts=alphanode=home/mac_accessories/software Apple, Inc. is a computer and consumer electronics company according to analysts. They do make most of their money on bundled hardware and software (Macs, iPod and iPhone, AppleTV, etc.). Mark Snyder -Original Message- What else would they be making money on?? OS X comes *with* the mac..os x sold as a standalone OS pretty reasonable in price. Apple is hardware company, a good one that also makes good software for their hardware. But they are a hardware company. http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/mobile-wireless/personal-tech/ news/index.cfm?newsid=3853 One article of many that shows the iphone is making over 50% per unit sold. Maybe all the articles I'm seeing are wrong, where is the data you are seeing? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
What else would they be making money on?? OS X comes *with* the mac..os x sold as a standalone OS pretty reasonable in price. Apple is hardware company, a good one that also makes good software for their hardware. But they are a hardware company. http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/mobile-wireless/personal-tech/news/index.cfm?newsid=3853 One article of many that shows the iphone is making over 50% per unit sold. Maybe all the articles I'm seeing are wrong, where is the data you are seeing? Mike On 7/26/07, Snyder, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have any scintilla of fact to back this up? Every statement looks to be contrary to facts I have seen. Mark Snyder -Original Message- That doesn't matter much though because Apple makes money on hardware, not software. I'm sure they are very happy to sell macs that will primarily run windows. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Presumably those 'demanding' Macs are using them to run Windows, because hits on my site are holding steady at around 2%. Oddly, not too much more than are running Windows Longhorn (Windows Server 2008) (1.6%). It's got to be particularly galling to Mac fanboys that in order to gain any kind of market share Apple is having to phase out of the computer OS business. On 7/25/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Inc.'s fiscal third-quarter profit soared more than 73 percent, fueled by demand for its Macintosh computers, the strength of its iPod media players and the sales of 270,000 iPhones in the first two days on the market. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Do you have any scintilla of fact to back this up? Every statement looks to be contrary to facts I have seen. Mark Snyder -Original Message- That doesn't matter much though because Apple makes money on hardware, not software. I'm sure they are very happy to sell macs that will primarily run windows. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Apple Posts Record Quarterly Profit
Apple Inc.'s fiscal third-quarter profit soared more than 73 percent, fueled by demand for its Macintosh computers, the strength of its iPod media players and the sales of 270,000 iPhones in the first two days on the market. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
