Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: program called bootpart ( http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm ) to add Linux to the Windows boot menu. See the bootpart web page for more instructions (though its instructions mention LILO, just mentally substitute GRUB). I just looked at the bootpart page. The author says that the first active partition on hd0 must be a FAT16 partition. This would require me to repartition drive 0. The only tool I trust to repartition Windows partitions (this is from experience) is PartitionMagic. From my own experience, I don't really trust PartitionMagic any more. It was good when it came out. The only programs I would trust today, because of experience, is the program that comes with Boot It NG http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html or the newest qtparted that comes with new Linux distros. There may be other good ones out there, of course, but I have no experience with them. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
Acronis was a big help in resizing a partition containing Vista whereas when I used the ntfsresize tool, Windows would never boot again and I had to reinstall! on Sunday 05/27/2007 John DeCarlo([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: program called bootpart ( http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm ) to add Linux to the Windows boot menu. See the bootpart web page for more instructions (though its instructions mention LILO, just mentally substitute GRUB). I just looked at the bootpart page. The author says that the first active partition on hd0 must be a FAT16 partition. This would require me to repartition drive 0. The only tool I trust to repartition Windows partitions (this is from experience) is PartitionMagic. From my own experience, I don't really trust PartitionMagic any more. It was good when it came out. The only programs I would trust today, because of experience, is the program that comes with Boot It NG http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html or the newest qtparted that comes with new Linux distros. There may be other good ones out there, of course, but I have no experience with them. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
For those who were paying attention: I posted earlier that I would try the method described in: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179902 I want to report that this worked amazingly well! --John Emmerling * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
Another trick is to install Linux on a second HD and create a boot floppy that you insert when you want to boot Linux that points to that drive ... That segregates the OS's Make a couple of copies of the floppy for security.. Db -Original Message- From: Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu Date: Wed May 23, 2007 11:29 am Size: 3K To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM The change is in the BIOS not the drives AFAIK. Michael Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am now glad I asked this question. Ideally, I would like to retain the ability to boot the OS on the good drive should one of the drives fail. Does what you describe allow for this? You are changing the way the computer boots, so expect _something_ to touch the existing drive. If you want the current drive's boot options left alone untouched, how about these options ... 1) Install a virtual environment such as Parallels or vmware server and that will give you a virtual machine where you can install another OS (even another copy of windows). From my experience, though, running a Linux distro as your base OS and running vmware server on Linux then installing Windows in a virtual machine gives better performance. 2) If you only want to try out Linux, you can completely remove the Windows drive and replace that with your spare drive. Install Linux and test/break that installation as you wish and your Windows disk is safe sitting on the shelf. Perhaps the best thing to do is try #2. Understand how the disk partitioning works during the first installation. Kick the tires; try to break things. Try to install VMware server for Linux (#1 above). Keep good notes. Then blow that installation away. Start over; partition the disk into two (or more); install Windows (you still have the Windows installation media, right?) in the second partition; then install Linux in the first partition. It will install Grub with the boot menu with Linux and Windows options. If you like this, keep this installation. As a bonus, you now have a brand new Windows installation without accumulated crud, and you can add the original drive as a slave and copy all your data back. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
Do it by buying a 5 1/4 bay drive drawer, with two trays, online (Less than $30 I think...) just power down, switch drawer trays and power up whenever... No fuss no muss... Db -Original Message- From: Michael Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu Date: Tue May 22, 2007 8:36 pm Size: 1K To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM On 5/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/07, Michael Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) If you only want to try out Linux, you can completely remove the Windows drive and replace that with your spare drive. Install Linux and test/break that installation as you wish and your Windows disk is safe sitting on the shelf. etc. Would something like the following work? Specify drive 1 (via the BIOS) as the boot drive, have the MBR created there and set up GRUB to boot Ubuntu off drive 1 and Windows off drive 0. If drive 0 is respecified as the boot drive, then it just boots Windows. So you have Windows on HD0 and Linux on HD1, and you change the boot disk in the BIOS every time you want to run the other OS. I would find this annoying, but, yeah, it might work. The most likely reason I can think of for this not to work is that Windows may not like being booted this way. As long as you don't move the HD with the original Windows installation, it shouldn't complain. Any chance of success? You have good backups, right? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
On 5/22/07, Michael Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would something like the following work? Specify drive 1 (via the BIOS) as the boot drive, have the MBR created there and set up GRUB to boot Ubuntu off drive 1 and Windows off drive 0. If drive 0 is respecified as the boot drive, then it just boots Windows. So you have Windows on HD0 and Linux on HD1, and you change the boot disk in the BIOS every time you want to run the other OS. I would find this annoying, but, yeah, it might work. The most likely reason I can think of for this not to work is that Windows may not like being booted this way. As long as you don't move the HD with the original Windows installation, it shouldn't complain. Any chance of success? I have no intention of changing the boot disk in the BIOS every time I want to switch OS. The idea is to make the new drive (hd1) the boot disk, and have GRUB set up (on that disk) to load Windows from its current home on hd0. The idea was that if hd1 were to fail, Windows would still work if the boot disk were to be switched back to hd0. But I'm not planning for either drive to fail. Likewise, if hd0 were to fail, it should be easy to recover (although I'm not certain what steps would be required, but since we would then be dealing with Linux, I'm assuming more options would exist). Vicky, does this change your answer now that I have clarified my proposal? BTW, I am not a complete newbie. I have prior experience setting up dual boot configurations combining Windows and Linux on the same system, but always by partitioning a single hard drive. I have used both Partition Magic and Disk Druid (or whatever the Mandrake equivalent was called) for partitioning, and I have used both GRUB and Boot Magic as a boot manager. Thanks! --John Emmerling * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
At 08:56 AM 5/23/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no intention of changing the boot disk in the BIOS every time I want to switch OS. The motherboards that I have that are less than about four years old (all ASUS) all have an option to press a keystroke during POST and pop up a menu to select the boot device (for this startup only). (It does not involve entering BIOS setup and changing the default boot device.) The feature is not obvious; I had to stumble on it to realize it was there. Fred Holmes * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
This is the setup that I had. Windows really prefers no extra bootloader files on its drive, so setup up drive 1 as the MBR is the way to go. It is not at all an annoying way to switch drive once working properly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/07, Michael Fernando wrote: 2) If you only want to try out Linux, you can completely remove the Windows drive and replace that with your spare drive. Install Linux and test/break that installation as you wish and your Windows disk is safe sitting on the shelf. Would something like the following work? Specify drive 1 (via the BIOS) as the boot drive, have the MBR created there and set up GRUB to boot Ubuntu off drive 1 and Windows off drive 0. If drive 0 is respecified as the boot drive, then it just boots Windows. The most likely reason I can think of for this not to work is that Windows may not like being booted this way. Any chance of success? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
On 5/21/07, Michael Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) If you only want to try out Linux, you can completely remove the Windows drive and replace that with your spare drive. Install Linux and test/break that installation as you wish and your Windows disk is safe sitting on the shelf. etc. Would something like the following work? Specify drive 1 (via the BIOS) as the boot drive, have the MBR created there and set up GRUB to boot Ubuntu off drive 1 and Windows off drive 0. If drive 0 is respecified as the boot drive, then it just boots Windows. The most likely reason I can think of for this not to work is that Windows may not like being booted this way. Any chance of success? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
On 5/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/07, Michael Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) If you only want to try out Linux, you can completely remove the Windows drive and replace that with your spare drive. Install Linux and test/break that installation as you wish and your Windows disk is safe sitting on the shelf. etc. Would something like the following work? Specify drive 1 (via the BIOS) as the boot drive, have the MBR created there and set up GRUB to boot Ubuntu off drive 1 and Windows off drive 0. If drive 0 is respecified as the boot drive, then it just boots Windows. So you have Windows on HD0 and Linux on HD1, and you change the boot disk in the BIOS every time you want to run the other OS. I would find this annoying, but, yeah, it might work. The most likely reason I can think of for this not to work is that Windows may not like being booted this way. As long as you don't move the HD with the original Windows installation, it shouldn't complain. Any chance of success? You have good backups, right? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
Thanks. My efforts were only last year though (Suse 10.1?) . It is good news if this is much more automated. One of the things I was trying to accomplish with my boot install was a configuration that left the Windows drive in a pristine state. I once hade a boss who demurred from experimenting with a dual boot (which otherwise he thought was a good option) because it would involve writing to the MBR on the Windows drive. I think this is definitely a configuration that should be supported and automated - it would definitely facilitate business users - who want to certify to their clients that they have not altered existing configurations - with experimenting with Linux. Cheers (as all the brit-dudes say). John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/20/07, Paul Meyer wrote: It took me mucho effort to get grub setup. I wanted to boot Linux (Suse) by default but have a choice to switch to Windows at boot time. I did not know about bootpart or the problem with remove the Linux drive. It did finally work though. If you aren't worried about what will happen if you remove your hard drive(s), then the default Linux install for most Linux distros today will set things up so that your boot menu will give you a choice to boot Windows but default to booting the distro you just installed. In other words, if you installed Linux today, it would be zero effort on your part to get what you wanted. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
On 5/20/07, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It took me mucho effort to get grub setup. I wanted to boot Linux (Suse) by default etc. If you aren't worried about what will happen if you remove your hard drive(s), then the default Linux install for most Linux distros today will set things up so that your boot menu will give you a choice to boot Windows but default to booting the distro you just installed. In other words, if you installed Linux today, it would be zero effort on your part to get what you wanted. I am now glad I asked this question. Ideally, I would like to retain the ability to boot the OS on the good drive should one of the drives fail. Does what you describe allow for this? Thanks! --John Emmerling * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
On 5/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am now glad I asked this question. Ideally, I would like to retain the ability to boot the OS on the good drive should one of the drives fail. Does what you describe allow for this? The standard approach to installing Linux on the second drive would be to tell the MBR on the first drive to load the boot loader on the second drive. That would show a menu and let you boot Windows on the first drive or Linux on the second. As Vicky pointed out, that means that either drive failing is a problem. OTOH, drive failures are not as big a problem nowadays and any drive failure usually means some work ahead of you to get things going. One option is to boot off of CD or USB (if your BIOS supports it) or even (Dog help me!) a floppy diskette. Then, as long as your boot drive is still operational (what if your CD drive fails?), you can weather a disk drive failure no problem. In fact, Mepis supports an install to USB option. Trying to be boot disk agnostic is still a bit of a black art, though. Probably the easiest and most robust would be installing Mepis 6.5 to USB, then you boot Windows off the first hard drive, or Mepis off of the USB, with the second drive your /home partition, etc. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sanity Check before installing Ubuntu
It took me mucho effort to get grub setup. I wanted to boot Linux (Suse) by default but have a choice to switch to Windows at boot time. I did not know about bootpart or the problem with remove the Linux drive. It did finally work though. -P Vicky Staubly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently acquired a 2nd hard drive to add to my screwdriver shop system that currently boots XP Pro from drive 0. I would like to install Ubuntu or Ubuntu Studio 7.x (http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_ubuntustudio7.04) on the 2nd drive, and be given a choice which OS to boot when the machine is powered up or restarted. [...] Any recommended precautions or course of action I should take? I hope this is a stupid question, as I wish this to be easy! Not a dumb question. Often, the solution for multi-OS systems will be to install Linux's boot-loader (LILO in older versions, GRUB in newer systems). However, GRUB doesn't live entirely in the boot sector (it uses some files and code in your Linux partition), so I know from experience (my work PC) that if you remove the drive with Linux on it, GRUB won't be able to work, and you won't be able to boot Windows either. So, I recommend you install Linux with GRUB in the Linux partition itself (not the MBR)... it will ask during the install... and then use a free program called bootpart ( http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm ) to add Linux to the Windows boot menu. See the bootpart web page for more instructions (though its instructions mention LILO, just mentally substitute GRUB). -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
