Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
I sit corrected from my big city chair. You obviously have nothing but love for your rural brothers. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:05 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 27, 2009, at 11:59 AM, mike wrote: > >> You started bashing rural living. >> > > Not true. I blame the hyper-sensitive hicks. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 27, 2009, at 11:59 AM, mike wrote: You started bashing rural living. Not true. I blame the hyper-sensitive hicks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You started bashing rural living. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:59 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 23, 2009, at 7:31 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: > >> Tom, you are so urban, it is obvious you know little about rural living. >> > > How did this lovely topic mutate into this? > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 23, 2009, at 7:31 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Tom, you are so urban, it is obvious you know little about rural living. How did this lovely topic mutate into this? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: > I too live in the country and my answers would be the same as Steve's with > the exception that we have geothermal instead of a heat pump (we also heat > with wood). We are also fortunate enough to have DSL service, so we don't > have to use satellite service for the internet (we do use it for TV). It is > great to live out here in the country. > > The Other Steve Bro!!! Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I too live in the country and my answers would be the same as Steve's with the exception that we have geothermal instead of a heat pump (we also heat with wood). We are also fortunate enough to have DSL service, so we don't have to use satellite service for the internet (we do use it for TV). It is great to live out here in the country. The Other Steve phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Propane is an option and is used by many in rural areas. I use wood and a heat pump. Also you would be surprised at the number of clinics and doctors in rural areas. Probably better and more friendly than in the city. Absolutely. Less expensive too. And finally who cares how close the apple store is, have never been in one and do think I have missed much. I can hit the Apple Store when I go in to the "city"...if I want to. I get my Mac gear chiefly through online retailers. We may not have all that you urbanites have but we like the country and it smells wonderful. Plus, we got stuff they ain't got, as is said "out here." Quiet, Stars and stars and stars. Clean air. Clean water. Who needs to lock their doors? Hey, this is where most of the urbanites dream of eventually moving to, isn't it? That's what I did. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
Tom, you are so urban, it is obvious you know little about rural living. My rural Virginia town, Middleburg, has municipal utilities. I live in town and use them. It also has a utility building for telephone. So I have DSL and could also use cable. Walmart is about 30 minutes away; which is fine for the few times I go there. I have life style advantages here that I would not consider giving up, such as knowing almost everyone. I would never trade with you, but can respect your choice; I am not encouraging anyone to move to my area. We are not looking for more people. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Probably don't have piped in water and gas or municipal sewage. I guess you got electric and phone service. The Postal Service is probably making noises about suspending your home delivery and closing your nearest Post Office. You got to drive 2 hours to get to a Walmart or a doctor and 10 hours to get to hospital or an Apple Store. No opera house in town. No traffic light either. Lack of broadband is probably the least of your problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
Oh so wrong. And Constance's complaint "that there are only 24 hours in a day" just compounds the error. I am constantly at client's sites and see first hand how people use computers at work. It is painful. People do not know how to use their computers efficiently and are totally clueless about the latest enhancements that would greatly improve their productivity. They feel overburdened and complain about having no time, but if they knew what they were doing they could get their work done in half the time -- actually often in much less then half the time. Sometimes I can't help myself and reach for somebody's mouse to fix something with a click or two. They are always so shocked, as if I were performing magic. If you spend your day on tasks that take you 10, 20, 30 minutes when they should be taking you 10, 20, 30 SECONDS you certainly will be complaining that there are only 24 hours in the day... Unless computers ARE your business, there are lots of other things to do that don't need broadband--or computers. For those who live inside the beltways of the world, it's hard to imagine that there really are more places that are still without reliable, inexpensive available broadband than have or can get it. I use my computer efficiently. I ignore it efficiently too. It's just another very convenient tool, like a reciprocating saw, or a sewing machine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We referred to it as Dairy Aire. Stewart At 05:17 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: So what you are saying is those horse farms out there smell better than the BS that is sometimes slung around here? I agree.. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > We may not have all that you urbanites have but we like the country and it > smells wonderful. > > Stewart > Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We go visit my cousin who lives an hour outside the city and it's always amazing just how many stars are visible out there in the desert. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:40 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Plus, we got stuff they ain't got, as is said "out here." Quiet, > Stars and stars and stars. Clean air. Clean water. Who needs to > lock their doors? Hey, this is where most of the urbanites dream of > eventually moving to, isn't it? That's what I did. > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > Propane is an option and is used by many in rural areas. I use wood and a heat pump. > Also you would be surprised at the number of clinics and doctors in rural > areas. Probably better and more friendly than in the city. Absolutely. Less expensive too. > And finally who cares how close the apple store is, have never been in one > and do think I have missed much. I can hit the Apple Store when I go in to the "city"...if I want to. I get my Mac gear chiefly through online retailers. > We may not have all that you urbanites have but we like the country and it > smells wonderful. Plus, we got stuff they ain't got, as is said "out here." Quiet, Stars and stars and stars. Clean air. Clean water. Who needs to lock their doors? Hey, this is where most of the urbanites dream of eventually moving to, isn't it? That's what I did. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So what you are saying is those horse farms out there smell better than the BS that is sometimes slung around here? I agree.. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > We may not have all that you urbanites have but we like the country and it > smells wonderful. > > Stewart > > > At 04:58 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: > >> Probably don't have piped in water and gas or municipal sewage. I >> guess you got electric and phone service. The Postal Service is >> probably making noises about suspending your home delivery and closing >> your nearest Post Office. You got to drive 2 hours to get to a Walmart >> or a doctor and 10 hours to get to hospital or an Apple Store. No >> opera house in town. No traffic light either. Lack of broadband is >> probably the least of your problems. >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
OK where do you read some of this BS. USPS is only talking about stopping Saturday delivery. About the only country in the world that still does. Canada stopped it over 215 years ago. Propane is an option and is used by many in rural areas. Probably has a Walmart slower than you. Walmart started in smaller rural areas. Also you would be surprised at the number of clinics and doctors in rural areas. Probably better and more friendly than in the city. And finally who cares how close the apple store is, have never been in one and do think I have missed much. We may not have all that you urbanites have but we like the country and it smells wonderful. Stewart At 04:58 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: Probably don't have piped in water and gas or municipal sewage. I guess you got electric and phone service. The Postal Service is probably making noises about suspending your home delivery and closing your nearest Post Office. You got to drive 2 hours to get to a Walmart or a doctor and 10 hours to get to hospital or an Apple Store. No opera house in town. No traffic light either. Lack of broadband is probably the least of your problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The country life is not for Tom. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I live in out in the country. I have to use satellite internet >> service unless I am willing to go with landline dial-up. I often >> can't even get a cell phone signal here. Radio services such as CB, >> GMRS in the 164 MHz band and MURS in the 151 MHz band remain in vogue >> when on the move out here. >> > > Probably don't have piped in water and gas or municipal sewage. I guess you > got electric and phone service. The Postal Service is probably making noises > about suspending your home delivery and closing your nearest Post Office. > You got to drive 2 hours to get to a Walmart or a doctor and 10 hours to get > to hospital or an Apple Store. No opera house in town. No traffic light > either. Lack of broadband is probably the least of your problems. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I live in out in the country. I have to use satellite internet service unless I am willing to go with landline dial-up. I often can't even get a cell phone signal here. Radio services such as CB, GMRS in the 164 MHz band and MURS in the 151 MHz band remain in vogue when on the move out here. Probably don't have piped in water and gas or municipal sewage. I guess you got electric and phone service. The Postal Service is probably making noises about suspending your home delivery and closing your nearest Post Office. You got to drive 2 hours to get to a Walmart or a doctor and 10 hours to get to hospital or an Apple Store. No opera house in town. No traffic light either. Lack of broadband is probably the least of your problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 22, 2009, at 3:17 PM, mike wrote: Jordan doesn't want to ban escalators, he is just pointing out there are areas in the country that don't have any. Maybe we should have a government program: "Escalators for Exurbans?" * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I do feel your pain. tjpa wrote: On Nov 22, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Jordan wrote: Again, yours is the perspective of the pure urban dweller. Some of us spend little or no time in densely populated areas, and are thankful for it. Don't I know it. Who's that standing at the top of the escalator *during rush hour* afraid to step on? I do not agree that we should therefore ban escalators. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:17 PM, mike wrote: > Jordan doesn't want to ban escalators, he is just pointing out there are > areas in the country that don't have any. I live in out in the country. I have to use satellite internet service unless I am willing to go with landline dial-up. I often can't even get a cell phone signal here. Radio services such as CB, GMRS in the 164 MHz band and MURS in the 151 MHz band remain in vogue when on the move out here. On this satellite service I have a daily upload/download limit of 480 megabytes except for the hours between 2 am and 7 am, Eastern time, during which period the byte counter is turned off. I therefore have to be somewhat more judicious while on the internet than when I was living in Falls Church, Virginia and had cable service with no limits. If the limit is exceeded, I get throttled back for 24 hours. That has not happened yet. The use of internet based storage is a bit more tricky than for most others because of the limitations posed by this satellite service and the attendant bandwidth issues associated with same. There are three folks living at my house who all have to share the same data path. There are also lots of other users, mostly businesses, all sharing the same crowded data highway up to and down from the satellite. However, I do not complain, but rather simply adjust and be happy with what I've got even though it is a bit expensive. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Jordan doesn't want to ban escalators, he is just pointing out there are areas in the country that don't have any. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 22, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Jordan wrote: > >> Again, yours is the perspective of the pure urban dweller. Some of us >> spend little or no time in densely populated areas, and are thankful for it. >> > > Don't I know it. Who's that standing at the top of the escalator *during > rush hour* afraid to step on? > > I do not agree that we should therefore ban escalators. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 22, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Jordan wrote: Again, yours is the perspective of the pure urban dweller. Some of us spend little or no time in densely populated areas, and are thankful for it. Don't I know it. Who's that standing at the top of the escalator *during rush hour* afraid to step on? I do not agree that we should therefore ban escalators. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Again, yours is the perspective of the pure urban dweller. Some of us spend little or no time in densely populated areas, and are thankful for it. tjpa wrote: On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:25 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's overkill for an individual to store all personal files remotely. It's also stupid. Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files are locked away in the "cloud" until you can get them. Letting the perfect become the enemy of the good. It does not matter to me one whit that I can't get the cloud in the middle of the Kalahari, but as I travel to home and office and around town it would be a great convenience. Today I still use my PDA to carry all that with me. Soon it will be in the cloud and I'll be on cloud 9. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:25 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's overkill for an individual to store all personal files remotely. It's also stupid. Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files are locked away in the "cloud" until you can get them. Letting the perfect become the enemy of the good. It does not matter to me one whit that I can't get the cloud in the middle of the Kalahari, but as I travel to home and office and around town it would be a great convenience. Today I still use my PDA to carry all that with me. Soon it will be in the cloud and I'll be on cloud 9. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:58 PM, db wrote: Your point about the promenade of new software versions: that's an easy issue to deal with: Just stick with what you have got ... ignore new versions until it becomes obvious ... until you know a compelling reason for upgrading. The companies are doing it mainly to keep their revenue stream going so there is very little if nothing you really need and usually upgrading just makes your situation worse... you have to relearn the program and suffer it's new glitches. Oh so wrong. And Constance's complaint "that there are only 24 hours in a day" just compounds the error. I am constantly at client's sites and see first hand how people use computers at work. It is painful. People do not know how to use their computers efficiently and are totally clueless about the latest enhancements that would greatly improve their productivity. They feel overburdened and complain about having no time, but if they knew what they were doing they could get their work done in half the time -- actually often in much less then half the time. Sometimes I can't help myself and reach for somebody's mouse to fix something with a click or two. They are always so shocked, as if I were performing magic. If you spend your day on tasks that take you 10, 20, 30 minutes when they should be taking you 10, 20, 30 SECONDS you certainly will be complaining that there are only 24 hours in the day. If you don't know how to use the latest software features you are wasting huge amounts of time. Software developers work hard to earn the upgrade price by studying how their software is used and adding new features that boot productivity. I see nobody picked up on the rethinking of the file system. The way we store files is a real productivity killer. If Google fixes just that one thing it will be a huge accomplishment. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
Re: Your point about the promenade of new software versions: that's an easy issue to deal with: Just stick with what you have got ... ignore new versions until it becomes obvious ... until you know a compelling reason for upgrading. The companies are doing it mainly to keep their revenue stream going so there is very little if nothing you really need and usually upgrading just makes your situation worse... you have to relearn the program and suffer it's new glitches. If your employer insists on upgrading your tools ... you have to go with it and it's no loss to you because they are paying for it and your wasted efficiency they are paying for also. Re: the cloud: I do sometimes wonder if this huge infrastructure will ever founder ... like wall street's deriviative system did when they built it on a false assumption. But maybe the better analogy for the cloud is with the auto: It could bring us related unforeseen problems but it won't completely fail us in any significant short term way. But other than that seemingly esoteric arguement ... the cloud is getting to be a wonderful tool. I myself find backup and remote access systems like Amazon's ..15/GB/mo JungleDisk and Google's .02/GB/mo Photo PicasaWeb to be incredibly powerful, rock solid and inexpensive tools, making incredible leveraged use of inexpensive storage hardware, broadband network and large scale of operation. For me and many I know these two systems: so effortlessly solve one of computing's biggest problems (reliable backup/ restore), are "falling off a log" easy to use and they do their unseen job around the clock, meticulously and effortlessly.. It's true someone is thinking up a new cloud app every day... but similar to new software versions, ...I don't worry about them until the time that their importance becomes evident to me. Anything great always eventually makes it presence known. I look for others... riding the bleeding edge ... to sort them out and let me know when and why I am compelled to use them. Lists like this are a great early warning system for exactly that purpose.. db Constance Warner wrote: I don't know about you, but the computer/ technology stuff you really need to know for an office job--or for most jobs, for that matter--is pretty easy to pick up. And will be, as long as there are Visual Quick-Start Guides and O'Reilly books. Computer books are a booming industry, the only problem with which is how to recycle the old ones for previous releases of Quark and Photoshop. The other way you pick up on technology, software, and the web is that everybody is always talking about it--talking a LOT about it--both the stuff you need to know and the stuff you don't. (Remember "All your base are belong to us", for example?) As for security: a backup in the Cloud: yeah, I suppose, depending on what you're storing--I can think of stuff that would raise extreme security concerns if stored in the Cloud. The main problem I have with the Cloud and similar phenomena is that there are only 24 hours in a day. I have a lot of things I need to do, both on a computer and otherwise, and the time needed to master the latest bells and whistles takes time away from essential tasks. I think, Holy Smokes, ANOTHER release of Photoshop? When it's got more stuff in it now, than any one person even KNOWS about, let alone uses? And what's this Twitter thing? So, SO boring. I'm not even interested in what I'M doing every minute of the day, let alone what anybody else is doing. There is SO little time in life for writing, which is what I like to do. So far, the Cloud isn't necessary to do that. --Constance Warner On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:55 AM, mike wrote: A little less of your ego and you might actually consider what I'm saying. We, you and I have no idea what technology will be here in a decade, two decades, longer..it is presumptuous to assume you are just smarter than the previous generations and will just grok it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I don't know about you, but the computer/ technology stuff you really need to know for an office job--or for most jobs, for that matter--is pretty easy to pick up. And will be, as long as there are Visual Quick-Start Guides and O'Reilly books. Computer books are a booming industry, the only problem with which is how to recycle the old ones for previous releases of Quark and Photoshop. The other way you pick up on technology, software, and the web is that everybody is always talking about it--talking a LOT about it--both the stuff you need to know and the stuff you don't. (Remember "All your base are belong to us", for example?) As for security: a backup in the Cloud: yeah, I suppose, depending on what you're storing--I can think of stuff that would raise extreme security concerns if stored in the Cloud. The main problem I have with the Cloud and similar phenomena is that there are only 24 hours in a day. I have a lot of things I need to do, both on a computer and otherwise, and the time needed to master the latest bells and whistles takes time away from essential tasks. I think, Holy Smokes, ANOTHER release of Photoshop? When it's got more stuff in it now, than any one person even KNOWS about, let alone uses? And what's this Twitter thing? So, SO boring. I'm not even interested in what I'M doing every minute of the day, let alone what anybody else is doing. There is SO little time in life for writing, which is what I like to do. So far, the Cloud isn't necessary to do that. --Constance Warner On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:55 AM, mike wrote: A little less of your ego and you might actually consider what I'm saying. We, you and I have no idea what technology will be here in a decade, two decades, longer..it is presumptuous to assume you are just smarter than the previous generations and will just grok it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Seeing the future Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
In one persons lifetime we went from horse drawn carriages to landing on the moon. Do you think a person born in 1880, knew in say...1915 that he would see someone walk on the moon? Perhaps as the human race goes on, we are more accustomed to larger leaps of science, I don't know, I was erring on the side that I am not smarter than my grandfathers, I'm just born in a different time. On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: >Why do I so want to call Mike "Rush" here? >While I do greatly appreciate your help with my cell phone's > background screen, I have found you in the past a bit more ego involved then > Betty has ever shown. Actually it doesn't really bother me that much. I > realize we all have big egos. Some must show it more then others. >As to your comment about what technology will be here in a decade, > two decades, longer... I think we all have a pretty good idea of where it's > going. Sure there will be occasional break throughs(sp) that will branch us > off here and there, but for the most part? It's pretty easy to predict. > Actually, in my lifetime things have gone much slower then most predicted. > These foresighted prognosticators usually seem to forget to add a variable > into the equation. That would be cost and where the public thinks it should > be spending it's money. The health care debate is a perfect example. >Sure, there will be small things along the way that lurch us forward > that may or may not have been predicted, but for the most part, where we're > going is pretty easy to see. > > > > Jeff Miles > jmile...@charter.net > > Join my Mafia > http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 > > On Nov 20, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike wrote: > > A little less of your ego and you might actually consider what I'm saying. >> We, you and I have no idea what technology will be here in a decade, two >> decades, longer..it is presumptuous to assume you are just smarter than >> the >> previous generations and will just grok it. >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:25 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: >> >> mike escribió: >>> >>> >>> >>> I get the feeling Betty is that farmer on the side of the road 100 years ago ridiculing his neighbor for using a fancy tractor with one of those engines to plow his field instead of the tried and true mule or team of horses. Sure the next few years...decade...the horse was pretty reliable, but it didn't take long before that farmer was left behind still crowing about how bad those jalopies were. I think back to teaching my great uncle the computer basics, a man with two doctorates, a world traveler, decorated officer in WW2, composer...friend to several presidents. The computer was just beyond him...technology had grown from his grasp of the age he was born in. Will we be like that when our children or grand children are running around with the newest tech? >>> >>> Hej sonny boy. Old folks in your great uncle's generation--and >>> older--invented computers. >>> >>> I studied programming long before PCs. I've worked for companies via the >>> Internet and never met any other employees in person. My brother and I >>> built >>> a mechanical computer as a school project [after the 5 foot slide rule >>> was >>> done]. There are sensible uses for technology, fun things to do, >>> expensive >>> business applications, and pie-in-the-sky geek fantasies. >>> >>> It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's >>> overkill >>> for an individual to store all personal files remotely. It's also stupid. >>> Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files are locked away in the >>> "cloud" until you can get them. I store duplicates of important files on >>> the >>> Internet for when we're traveling. Most of the time I can't access them >>> from >>> our remote locations, so I have to carry cryptic info with me. >>> >>> Put your imagination to work on something more useful. Why not write some >>> viruses? That's a fun hobby. >>> >>> Betty >>> >>> >>> >>> * >>> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >>> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >>> * >>> >>> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > ***
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
Why do I so want to call Mike "Rush" here? While I do greatly appreciate your help with my cell phone's background screen, I have found you in the past a bit more ego involved then Betty has ever shown. Actually it doesn't really bother me that much. I realize we all have big egos. Some must show it more then others. As to your comment about what technology will be here in a decade, two decades, longer... I think we all have a pretty good idea of where it's going. Sure there will be occasional break throughs(sp) that will branch us off here and there, but for the most part? It's pretty easy to predict. Actually, in my lifetime things have gone much slower then most predicted. These foresighted prognosticators usually seem to forget to add a variable into the equation. That would be cost and where the public thinks it should be spending it's money. The health care debate is a perfect example. Sure, there will be small things along the way that lurch us forward that may or may not have been predicted, but for the most part, where we're going is pretty easy to see. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Nov 20, 2009, at 10:55 PM, mike wrote: A little less of your ego and you might actually consider what I'm saying. We, you and I have no idea what technology will be here in a decade, two decades, longer..it is presumptuous to assume you are just smarter than the previous generations and will just grok it. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:25 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: mike escribió: I get the feeling Betty is that farmer on the side of the road 100 years ago ridiculing his neighbor for using a fancy tractor with one of those engines to plow his field instead of the tried and true mule or team of horses. Sure the next few years...decade...the horse was pretty reliable, but it didn't take long before that farmer was left behind still crowing about how bad those jalopies were. I think back to teaching my great uncle the computer basics, a man with two doctorates, a world traveler, decorated officer in WW2, composer...friend to several presidents. The computer was just beyond him...technology had grown from his grasp of the age he was born in. Will we be like that when our children or grand children are running around with the newest tech? Hej sonny boy. Old folks in your great uncle's generation--and older--invented computers. I studied programming long before PCs. I've worked for companies via the Internet and never met any other employees in person. My brother and I built a mechanical computer as a school project [after the 5 foot slide rule was done]. There are sensible uses for technology, fun things to do, expensive business applications, and pie-in-the-sky geek fantasies. It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's overkill for an individual to store all personal files remotely. It's also stupid. Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files are locked away in the "cloud" until you can get them. I store duplicates of important files on the Internet for when we're traveling. Most of the time I can't access them from our remote locations, so I have to carry cryptic info with me. Put your imagination to work on something more useful. Why not write some viruses? That's a fun hobby. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
You forgot to mention, why would anyone store anything "extremely" important on any computer media or in the cloud? That's why safe deposit boxes were invented. Safe from almost anything except maybe a nuclear blast. And even then... Other stuff just really isn't that important for the average user. If you really are going to need something while traveling and worried about one service or the other being down, email it to yourself and have multiple mailboxes set up on different servers. Mail it to all your email boxes at once. I doubt they'd all go down at once. I may or may not have the idea of the cloud down pat, but from what I've gathered, it takes out a rather key aspect in safety, that would be multiple duplication in separate systems. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Nov 20, 2009, at 10:25 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: mike escribió: I get the feeling Betty is that farmer on the side of the road 100 years ago ridiculing his neighbor for using a fancy tractor with one of those engines to plow his field instead of the tried and true mule or team of horses. Sure the next few years...decade...the horse was pretty reliable, but it didn't take long before that farmer was left behind still crowing about how bad those jalopies were. I think back to teaching my great uncle the computer basics, a man with two doctorates, a world traveler, decorated officer in WW2, composer...friend to several presidents. The computer was just beyond him...technology had grown from his grasp of the age he was born in. Will we be like that when our children or grand children are running around with the newest tech? Hej sonny boy. Old folks in your great uncle's generation--and older--invented computers. I studied programming long before PCs. I've worked for companies via the Internet and never met any other employees in person. My brother and I built a mechanical computer as a school project [after the 5 foot slide rule was done]. There are sensible uses for technology, fun things to do, expensive business applications, and pie-in-the- sky geek fantasies. It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's overkill for an individual to store all personal files remotely. It's also stupid. Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files are locked away in the "cloud" until you can get them. I store duplicates of important files on the Internet for when we're traveling. Most of the time I can't access them from our remote locations, so I have to carry cryptic info with me. Put your imagination to work on something more useful. Why not write some viruses? That's a fun hobby. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
A little less of your ego and you might actually consider what I'm saying. We, you and I have no idea what technology will be here in a decade, two decades, longer..it is presumptuous to assume you are just smarter than the previous generations and will just grok it. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:25 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > mike escribió: > > > >> I get the feeling Betty is that farmer on the side of the road 100 years >> ago >> ridiculing his neighbor for using a fancy tractor with one of those >> engines >> to plow his field instead of the tried and true mule or team of horses. >> Sure the next few years...decade...the horse was pretty reliable, but it >> didn't take long before that farmer was left behind still crowing about >> how >> bad those jalopies were. >> >> I think back to teaching my great uncle the computer basics, a man with >> two doctorates, a world traveler, decorated officer in WW2, >> composer...friend to several presidents. The computer was just beyond >> him...technology had grown from his grasp of the age he was born in. Will >> we be like that when our children or grand children are running around >> with >> the newest tech? >> > > > Hej sonny boy. Old folks in your great uncle's generation--and > older--invented computers. > > I studied programming long before PCs. I've worked for companies via the > Internet and never met any other employees in person. My brother and I built > a mechanical computer as a school project [after the 5 foot slide rule was > done]. There are sensible uses for technology, fun things to do, expensive > business applications, and pie-in-the-sky geek fantasies. > > It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's overkill > for an individual to store all personal files remotely. It's also stupid. > Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files are locked away in the > "cloud" until you can get them. I store duplicates of important files on the > Internet for when we're traveling. Most of the time I can't access them from > our remote locations, so I have to carry cryptic info with me. > > Put your imagination to work on something more useful. Why not write some > viruses? That's a fun hobby. > > Betty > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
mike escribió: I get the feeling Betty is that farmer on the side of the road 100 years ago ridiculing his neighbor for using a fancy tractor with one of those engines to plow his field instead of the tried and true mule or team of horses. Sure the next few years...decade...the horse was pretty reliable, but it didn't take long before that farmer was left behind still crowing about how bad those jalopies were. I think back to teaching my great uncle the computer basics, a man with two doctorates, a world traveler, decorated officer in WW2, composer...friend to several presidents. The computer was just beyond him...technology had grown from his grasp of the age he was born in. Will we be like that when our children or grand children are running around with the newest tech? Hej sonny boy. Old folks in your great uncle's generation--and older--invented computers. I studied programming long before PCs. I've worked for companies via the Internet and never met any other employees in person. My brother and I built a mechanical computer as a school project [after the 5 foot slide rule was done]. There are sensible uses for technology, fun things to do, expensive business applications, and pie-in-the-sky geek fantasies. It makes sense to use redundant remote storage for business. It's overkill for an individual to store all personal files remotely. It's also stupid. Why? The Internet isn't everywhere, so your files are locked away in the "cloud" until you can get them. I store duplicates of important files on the Internet for when we're traveling. Most of the time I can't access them from our remote locations, so I have to carry cryptic info with me. Put your imagination to work on something more useful. Why not write some viruses? That's a fun hobby. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
I get the feeling Betty is that farmer on the side of the road 100 years ago ridiculing his neighbor for using a fancy tractor with one of those engines to plow his field instead of the tried and true mule or team of horses. Sure the next few years...decade...the horse was pretty reliable, but it didn't take long before that farmer was left behind still crowing about how bad those jalopies were. I think back to teaching my great uncle the computer basics, a man with two doctorates, a world traveler, decorated officer in WW2, composer...friend to several presidents. The computer was just beyond him...technology had grown from his grasp of the age he was born in. Will we be like that when our children or grand children are running around with the newest tech? On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:30 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > It's the stupid cloud again! No. The cloud won't obscure computers. > Ridiculous, as in worthy of ridicule, as only in geek fantasies. > > Computers are changing, but aren't going away any time soon, and neither > are Apple or MS, as long as they keep changing as technology evolves. Apple > is in a better position than MS, in that they create the hardware that's > evolving instead of MS keeping up with software competition. > > The cloud will never be able to overwhelm computers, at least in the US, > since it's not available all the time, everywhere. My local computer, Touch, > and/or smart phone are more reliable than the cloud will ever be, as long as > it's not ubiquitous. You can't integrate with the Internet if it's not there > or remains too expensive. > > CloudHAHAHAHAHAHA. George Carlin had some wonderful comments about > ephemisms like "the cloud" and the stupidity of euphemisms in general. > Cloud...DUH! Where's my free Internets??? Where's my cheap Internets? > Where's the "everywhere" Internets > > Do you trust Google with all your precious and personal data? Do you > _trust_ the Cloud? > > mike escribió: > > Somehow I don't think MS or especially Apple have anything to worry about. >> Google is going to race to the bottom with this one for a little while I >> think. Look out for bad sales on win 7 starter in the future...if there >> ever were a future for starter. >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:16 AM, tjp wrote: >> >> >>> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/chromeos-announcement.ars >>> >>> "Put differently, in more concrete and less aesthetic terms, Apple and >>> Microsoft began decades ago with "the PC," and they're currently involved >>> in >>> a slow and painful process of trying to stretch and push "the PC" out >>> towards the Internet and towards a more useful and integrated >>> relationship >>> with the cloud as a new type of server. >>> >> > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
It's the stupid cloud again! No. The cloud won't obscure computers. Ridiculous, as in worthy of ridicule, as only in geek fantasies. Computers are changing, but aren't going away any time soon, and neither are Apple or MS, as long as they keep changing as technology evolves. Apple is in a better position than MS, in that they create the hardware that's evolving instead of MS keeping up with software competition. The cloud will never be able to overwhelm computers, at least in the US, since it's not available all the time, everywhere. My local computer, Touch, and/or smart phone are more reliable than the cloud will ever be, as long as it's not ubiquitous. You can't integrate with the Internet if it's not there or remains too expensive. CloudHAHAHAHAHAHA. George Carlin had some wonderful comments about ephemisms like "the cloud" and the stupidity of euphemisms in general. Cloud...DUH! Where's my free Internets??? Where's my cheap Internets? Where's the "everywhere" Internets Do you trust Google with all your precious and personal data? Do you _trust_ the Cloud? mike escribió: Somehow I don't think MS or especially Apple have anything to worry about. Google is going to race to the bottom with this one for a little while I think. Look out for bad sales on win 7 starter in the future...if there ever were a future for starter. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:16 AM, tjp wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/chromeos-announcement.ars "Put differently, in more concrete and less aesthetic terms, Apple and Microsoft began decades ago with "the PC," and they're currently involved in a slow and painful process of trying to stretch and push "the PC" out towards the Internet and towards a more useful and integrated relationship with the cloud as a new type of server. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
Somehow I don't think MS or especially Apple have anything to worry about. Google is going to race to the bottom with this one for a little while I think. Look out for bad sales on win 7 starter in the future...if there ever were a future for starter. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:16 AM, tjp wrote: > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/chromeos-announcement.ars > > "Put differently, in more concrete and less aesthetic terms, Apple and > Microsoft began decades ago with "the PC," and they're currently involved in > a slow and painful process of trying to stretch and push "the PC" out > towards the Internet and towards a more useful and integrated relationship > with the cloud as a new type of server. Google, on the other hand, began > with the Internet, and it presumes the cloud in everything it does. With > Chrome OS, the company is now trying to push and stretch the Internet back > down onto "the PC" as just one of a growing range of cloud clients. Google > acknowledged that it will eventually move Chrome OS to laptops and > conventional PCs, so the Chrome OS portable is just Google's first battle in > a long, ambitious campaign to thoroughly cloudify the entire computing > experience." > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
