Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
History, Tom, history. Anyone on this list and with any sense of it, knows your hatred for all things neomicrosofticon. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:57 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:11 PM, mike wrote: > >> Not for any real reason...just because Tom hates windows... >> > > I don't hate Windows. I have a Mac and a PC running all the time with a KVM > switch. > > I rarely use Alt-Tab with Windows for all the same reasons. I have > previously described in detail how I have the Windows taskbar configured on > the left and how much I like it. It shows a small flag for every window and > is very easy for switching apps with complete control. Windows bogs down > sooner than OS X so I don't run as many simultaneous apps, but still very > useful. > > Why do WFBs have to constantly haul out their persecution complexes? > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:11 PM, mike wrote: Not for any real reason...just because Tom hates windows... I don't hate Windows. I have a Mac and a PC running all the time with a KVM switch. I rarely use Alt-Tab with Windows for all the same reasons. I have previously described in detail how I have the Windows taskbar configured on the left and how much I like it. It shows a small flag for every window and is very easy for switching apps with complete control. Windows bogs down sooner than OS X so I don't run as many simultaneous apps, but still very useful. Why do WFBs have to constantly haul out their persecution complexes? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:17:43 -0500, b_s-wilk wrote: >YMMV. Try the locations and see which works best for you, but consider >how each program works. Does this help? Yes. It does. Thanks. -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
Not for any real reason...just because Tom hates windows... On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: > >> Continue to hold down the command key and you can tab through the bar. >> That requires only one hand. >> > > No doubt, but the point is getting the job done quickly. Tabbing through a > list of a dozen icons, whose position constantly shuffles, is not better > than clicking on or dragging a file to an icon that is always in the same > location in the Dock. Selecting via Command-Tab is a Windows invention, not > suitable for intensive computing. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: Continue to hold down the command key and you can tab through the bar. That requires only one hand. No doubt, but the point is getting the job done quickly. Tabbing through a list of a dozen icons, whose position constantly shuffles, is not better than clicking on or dragging a file to an icon that is always in the same location in the Dock. Selecting via Command-Tab is a Windows invention, not suitable for intensive computing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
Continue to hold down the command key and you can tab through the bar. That requires only one hand. t.piwowar wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Roger D. Parish wrote: Simply place the cursor over the icon of the program you want in the command-tab bar. It causes it to be selected without having to click. Then, release the command key, and that program is brought forward. That requires 2 hands. You really think that's better? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
On Jan 1, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Roger D. Parish wrote: Simply place the cursor over the icon of the program you want in the command-tab bar. It causes it to be selected without having to click. Then, release the command key, and that program is brought forward. That requires 2 hands. You really think that's better? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
At 4:58 PM -0500 1/1/10, t.piwowar wrote: On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:11 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: I use the Dock to open programs, to set which apps are loaded at startup, and to get to the home folder for the app without switching to the Finder and digging for it. I rarely use it for switching apps. Depends on how many apps you have open. Command tab is very handy for toggling between 2 programs and I use it a lot for that. With 3 programs you have to keep track of what you were using last to know if you need to hit tab once or twice. Above 3 if find tabbing between apps to be unworkable. Simply place the cursor over the icon of the program you want in the command-tab bar. It causes it to be selected without having to click. Then, release the command key, and that program is brought forward. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:11 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: I use the Dock to open programs, to set which apps are loaded at startup, and to get to the home folder for the app without switching to the Finder and digging for it. I rarely use it for switching apps. Depends on how many apps you have open. Command tab is very handy for toggling between 2 programs and I use it a lot for that. With 3 programs you have to keep track of what you were using last to know if you need to hit tab once or twice. Above 3 if find tabbing between apps to be unworkable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
YMMV. Try the locations and see which works best for you, but consider how each program works. Does this help? Excellent! I propose that whether one keeps the Dock visible or not depends on one's style of working. I often have many apps open at once and frequently switch among them. I usually open files by dragging into the Dock icon of the app I want to use. So for me a visible dock works best. Just about the only thing I liked about using Windows was the ease of switching windows with ALT+TAB. It's better with Macs because COMMAND+TAB switches programs and `+TAB switches windows within each app, making navigation easier. I use the Dock to open programs, to set which apps are loaded at startup, and to get to the home folder for the app without switching to the Finder and digging for it. I rarely use it for switching apps. --- http://locogringo.com/upload/akumal-beach-cam.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
On Dec 31, 2009, at 1:17 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: YMMV. Try the locations and see which works best for you, but consider how each program works. Does this help? Excellent! I propose that whether one keeps the Dock visible or not depends on one's style of working. I often have many apps open at once and frequently switch among them. I usually open files by dragging into the Dock icon of the app I want to use. So for me a visible dock works best. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. What are the obvious improvements? Go try it. Everyone I showed it to, except certain folks on this list, have found it better. What's your evidence? Never mind. Maybe Betty will give an actual answer. Hi. Now that I'm back in the Winter wonderland, snow and all, I have my answer. The programs I use are mostly professional page layout, image editing, NLE video editing, drawing programs, also browsers and an email client. They all have some kind of important information located at the bottom of windows or tools that I usually place at the bottom of the screen. Final Cut need all the space I can give it, and usually more. Photoshop and InDesign have tools in windows that rest ["magnetically"] and minimize at the bottom of the screen. You could put them elsewhere, but that often interferes with working on documents. The basic tools are in a toolbar at the left of the screen, but can be placed slightly away from the hidden dock. Both browsers and email clients have important information in the status bar[s] at the bottom of the window. Keeping the dock open at the bottom covers up that data. Hiding it at the bottom makes it more likely that it will appear when least helpful. Placing a dock on the right gets in the way of scroll bars. New displays have 16:9 format instead of 4:3, leaving less room vertically for viewing. Add a dock or taskbar and that reduces viewing area that has already been reduced by the new screen ratio. Docks and taskbars aren't important most of the time. Hiding them gives more room to work, play, read, write, be entertained during the other 99% of your time. I use my mouse right-handed so it's easier for me to move from right to left on the screen. My Dock is hidden on the left. YMMV. Try the locations and see which works best for you, but consider how each program works. Does this help? Betty --- http://locogringo.com/upload/akumal-beach-cam.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
That's as good an explanation as I have heard. It makes sense. Too bad Jobs doesn't have a wife with GUI design skills to give him a boot in the butt occasionally ... a little personal democracy :) db mike wrote: Well Apple is not a democracy, which is it's greatest strength and weakness. It comes down to the single vision of one man and sometimes that will have a bad effect, luckily for Apple it usually has a very good effect, but does make change hard if weaknesses are found and Jobs doesn't see them as weaknesses. The original iPhone far out paced any competitor on the market for a couple years and now with android coming in with similiar interfaces, building on the good and getting rid of some of the weaknesses, Apple has some competition to look at. A huge factor for most people I know would be if Apple allowed multitasking, that would be huge, it's clear from windows phones and android phones it's not a battery issue, so we shall see if Apple addresses this. The iPhone has largely remained unchanged since it came out, with it's strong app base this may not matter to some or most users, time will tell. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM, db wrote: Or they might just stick with their home screen like they have stuck with OSX's surprisingly limited functionality finder/dock system for such a long time ... Like Apple computers there is more to the iPhone then their Home screen. The collective good will make particular weaknesses bearable for most. But it begs the question ... why not fix the weaknesses? ... which is where this string started. db mike wrote: I found it annoying to hide the dock myself, although I found it worked just fine at the bottom. I always made it as small as I could and still see it and let it grow rather large when I wanted it. It's interesting to note about showing you information in the dock, this is one of the complaints on the iphone that you have to open an app to find out just about anything. On Androids home screen you can find out weather, the content of a new sms, an IM, stock quotes, full calender etc Almost everything can be found out from the home screen of an android phone without opening any apps...I'm anxious to see where Apple takes the iPhone OS since it's first iteration was so simple and groundbreaking. Will they [ever] overhaul it and bring more functionality to the home screen? If it was MS I'd say they are just going to copy someone who does it better...but being Apple they might look at the better on Android and scratch it and go some other direction that just ups the ante. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it to auto hide would have it slow to return when I did want it. I suspect that hiding the Dock may be the reason some hate the Dock. It does not work as well when hidden. On my screen the dock is just 1/2 inch wide and holds 46 icons. I don't see any problem with giving up that space. I slide all the program windows over by that half inch and most apps remember that position. The dock is not just a program launcher, but also provides information about the state of the computer. The iCal icon even changes to show me the date. When I want to email a file I drag it into the Mail icon. To edit a file I drag it into the icon of the app I want to use, which will vary with what I'm doing. Hiding the Dock would deprive me of much functionality and slow me down. I would first have to drag a file to the edge to display the Dock, then scan for the app's icon, and then make another trip to the icon's location. With the Dock always visible I can scan for the icon at the same time as I drag the file over to the Dock. It is one seamless motion. Very fast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * ***
Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
On Dec 24, 2009, at 4:46 PM, mike wrote: I expected this...you find the dock useful because it contains information at a glance...but expecting that on the iPhone home screen is anti apple...uh right. One of the reasons for the failure of WINCE and the triumph of iPhone is that Apple was not afraid to innovate a new user interface that was appropriate for a different device. The latest stats show that Apple has taken the lead as the #1 selling smartphone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
I expected this...you find the dock useful because it contains information at a glance...but expecting that on the iPhone home screen is anti apple...uh right. On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:25 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, db wrote: > >> Or they might just stick with their home screen like they have stuck with >> OSX's surprisingly limited functionality finder/dock system for such a long >> time ... >> > > As I said "I had to conclude that your goal was something other than > solving a problem." Just more anti-Apple agitprop. > > Nevertheless... > "In the September frame, the company sold 3.05 million Macs, helping its > profits rise to $1.67 billion. That was a 17 percent year-over-year increase > in sales." > > http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/12/14/fall_mac_shipments_up_21_sales_of_3m_projected_for_quarter.html > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, db wrote: Or they might just stick with their home screen like they have stuck with OSX's surprisingly limited functionality finder/dock system for such a long time ... As I said "I had to conclude that your goal was something other than solving a problem." Just more anti-Apple agitprop. Nevertheless... "In the September frame, the company sold 3.05 million Macs, helping its profits rise to $1.67 billion. That was a 17 percent year-over- year increase in sales." http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/12/14/fall_mac_shipments_up_21_sales_of_3m_projected_for_quarter.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Well Apple is not a democracy, which is it's greatest strength and weakness. It comes down to the single vision of one man and sometimes that will have a bad effect, luckily for Apple it usually has a very good effect, but does make change hard if weaknesses are found and Jobs doesn't see them as weaknesses. The original iPhone far out paced any competitor on the market for a couple years and now with android coming in with similiar interfaces, building on the good and getting rid of some of the weaknesses, Apple has some competition to look at. A huge factor for most people I know would be if Apple allowed multitasking, that would be huge, it's clear from windows phones and android phones it's not a battery issue, so we shall see if Apple addresses this. The iPhone has largely remained unchanged since it came out, with it's strong app base this may not matter to some or most users, time will tell. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM, db wrote: > Or they might just stick with their home screen like they have stuck with > OSX's surprisingly limited functionality finder/dock system for such a long > time ... > > Like Apple computers there is more to the iPhone then their Home screen. > The collective good will make particular weaknesses bearable for most. > > But it begs the question ... why not fix the weaknesses? ... which is where > this string started. > > db > > > > > mike wrote: > >> I found it annoying to hide the dock myself, although I found it worked >> just >> fine at the bottom. I always made it as small as I could and still see it >> and let it grow rather large when I wanted it. It's interesting to note >> about showing you information in the dock, this is one of the complaints >> on >> the iphone that you have to open an app to find out just about anything. >> On >> Androids home screen you can find out weather, the content of a new sms, >> an >> IM, stock quotes, full calender etc Almost everything can be found out >> from >> the home screen of an android phone without opening any apps...I'm anxious >> to see where Apple takes the iPhone OS since it's first iteration was so >> simple and groundbreaking. Will they [ever] overhaul it and bring more >> functionality to the home screen? If it was MS I'd say they are just >> going >> to copy someone who does it better...but being Apple they might look at >> the >> better on Android and scratch it and go some other direction that just ups >> the ante. >> >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: >>> >>> >>> When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it to auto hide would have it slow to return when I did want it. >>> I suspect that hiding the Dock may be the reason some hate the Dock. It >>> does not work as well when hidden. On my screen the dock is just 1/2 inch >>> wide and holds 46 icons. I don't see any problem with giving up that >>> space. >>> I slide all the program windows over by that half inch and most apps >>> remember that position. The dock is not just a program launcher, but also >>> provides information about the state of the computer. The iCal icon even >>> changes to show me the date. When I want to email a file I drag it into >>> the >>> Mail icon. To edit a file I drag it into the icon of the app I want to >>> use, >>> which will vary with what I'm doing. Hiding the Dock would deprive me of >>> much functionality and slow me down. I would first have to drag a file to >>> the edge to display the Dock, then scan for the app's icon, and then make >>> another trip to the icon's location. With the Dock always visible I can >>> scan >>> for the icon at the same time as I drag the file over to the Dock. It is >>> one >>> seamless motion. Very fast. >>> >>> >>> >>> * >>> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >>> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >>> * >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> >> >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > ***
Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Or they might just stick with their home screen like they have stuck with OSX's surprisingly limited functionality finder/dock system for such a long time ... Like Apple computers there is more to the iPhone then their Home screen. The collective good will make particular weaknesses bearable for most. But it begs the question ... why not fix the weaknesses? ... which is where this string started. db mike wrote: I found it annoying to hide the dock myself, although I found it worked just fine at the bottom. I always made it as small as I could and still see it and let it grow rather large when I wanted it. It's interesting to note about showing you information in the dock, this is one of the complaints on the iphone that you have to open an app to find out just about anything. On Androids home screen you can find out weather, the content of a new sms, an IM, stock quotes, full calender etc Almost everything can be found out from the home screen of an android phone without opening any apps...I'm anxious to see where Apple takes the iPhone OS since it's first iteration was so simple and groundbreaking. Will they [ever] overhaul it and bring more functionality to the home screen? If it was MS I'd say they are just going to copy someone who does it better...but being Apple they might look at the better on Android and scratch it and go some other direction that just ups the ante. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it to auto hide would have it slow to return when I did want it. I suspect that hiding the Dock may be the reason some hate the Dock. It does not work as well when hidden. On my screen the dock is just 1/2 inch wide and holds 46 icons. I don't see any problem with giving up that space. I slide all the program windows over by that half inch and most apps remember that position. The dock is not just a program launcher, but also provides information about the state of the computer. The iCal icon even changes to show me the date. When I want to email a file I drag it into the Mail icon. To edit a file I drag it into the icon of the app I want to use, which will vary with what I'm doing. Hiding the Dock would deprive me of much functionality and slow me down. I would first have to drag a file to the edge to display the Dock, then scan for the app's icon, and then make another trip to the icon's location. With the Dock always visible I can scan for the icon at the same time as I drag the file over to the Dock. It is one seamless motion. Very fast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
I found it annoying to hide the dock myself, although I found it worked just fine at the bottom. I always made it as small as I could and still see it and let it grow rather large when I wanted it. It's interesting to note about showing you information in the dock, this is one of the complaints on the iphone that you have to open an app to find out just about anything. On Androids home screen you can find out weather, the content of a new sms, an IM, stock quotes, full calender etc Almost everything can be found out from the home screen of an android phone without opening any apps...I'm anxious to see where Apple takes the iPhone OS since it's first iteration was so simple and groundbreaking. Will they [ever] overhaul it and bring more functionality to the home screen? If it was MS I'd say they are just going to copy someone who does it better...but being Apple they might look at the better on Android and scratch it and go some other direction that just ups the ante. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: > >> When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying >> different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put >> stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it >> to >> auto hide would have it slow to return when I did want it. >> > > I suspect that hiding the Dock may be the reason some hate the Dock. It > does not work as well when hidden. On my screen the dock is just 1/2 inch > wide and holds 46 icons. I don't see any problem with giving up that space. > I slide all the program windows over by that half inch and most apps > remember that position. The dock is not just a program launcher, but also > provides information about the state of the computer. The iCal icon even > changes to show me the date. When I want to email a file I drag it into the > Mail icon. To edit a file I drag it into the icon of the app I want to use, > which will vary with what I'm doing. Hiding the Dock would deprive me of > much functionality and slow me down. I would first have to drag a file to > the edge to display the Dock, then scan for the app's icon, and then make > another trip to the icon's location. With the Dock always visible I can scan > for the icon at the same time as I drag the file over to the Dock. It is one > seamless motion. Very fast. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it to auto hide would have it slow to return when I did want it. I suspect that hiding the Dock may be the reason some hate the Dock. It does not work as well when hidden. On my screen the dock is just 1/2 inch wide and holds 46 icons. I don't see any problem with giving up that space. I slide all the program windows over by that half inch and most apps remember that position. The dock is not just a program launcher, but also provides information about the state of the computer. The iCal icon even changes to show me the date. When I want to email a file I drag it into the Mail icon. To edit a file I drag it into the icon of the app I want to use, which will vary with what I'm doing. Hiding the Dock would deprive me of much functionality and slow me down. I would first have to drag a file to the edge to display the Dock, then scan for the app's icon, and then make another trip to the icon's location. With the Dock always visible I can scan for the icon at the same time as I drag the file over to the Dock. It is one seamless motion. Very fast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Tom, Betty What are the advantages you find in putting the Dock/ Taskbar to the left? db t.piwowar wrote: On Dec 21, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Reid Katan wrote: But Tom and Betty both say the Dock *works better* (not "has more functions", but "is more user friendly") on the side. And IIRC, Tom intimated that no serious user would leave the Dock on the bottom. So, what up widdat. You can arm-chair theorize all you want. I went through all the same reasons why bottom is better, but what I observed in the field was different. So I tried it and the improvement was obvious. Ditto for Windows taskbar. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Brilliant! On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: > Red. No, blue! > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: > > > What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best > > color? > > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:36 AM, tjpa wrote: > > > > > On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Reid Katan wrote: > > > > > >> I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. > What > > >> are the obvious improvements? > > >> > > > > > > Go try it. > > > > > > Everyone I showed it to, except certain folks on this list, have found > it > > > better. What's your evidence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy > ** > > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** > > > > * > > > > > > > > > * > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > > * > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Well, I'll bite, in the interest of trying to have an actual discussion. I've always moved my Windows (XP and down, anyway, never used Vista on up) task bar to the left and set it to auto-hide. Always responded to moving the mouse there or hitting the Windows key if I needed it, and stayed out of the way otherwise. I found it tolerable. When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it to auto hide would have it slow to return when I did want it. Using spotlight to start up apps is also slower than I'd like. The dock on the bottom seemed unobtrusive for most of my operations, but made it clear when there was something that changed (download completed or a program dialog box needed my attention). But I'll give it another shot. Perhaps in a day or so I won't notice or care that its not there, but it isn't clear to me so far that its "better". On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:36 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Reid Katan wrote: > >> I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. What >> are the obvious improvements? >> > > Go try it. > > Everyone I showed it to, except certain folks on this list, have found it > better. What's your evidence? > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Red. No, blue! On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: > What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best > color? > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:36 AM, tjpa wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Reid Katan wrote: > > > >> I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. What > >> are the obvious improvements? > >> > > > > Go try it. > > > > Everyone I showed it to, except certain folks on this list, have found it > > better. What's your evidence? > > > > > > > > * > > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > > * > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Moi aussi! mike wrote: Votre arrogance m'étonne même parfois. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, tjpa wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? Just like I figured. You don't know much about interface design. I might as well waste my time discussing French cuisine with somebody who thinks McDonalds and Pizza Hut are super. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Entshuldigung Sie bitte? Stewart At 11:54 AM 12/22/2009, you wrote: Votre arrogance m'étonne même parfois. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: > >> What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best >> color? >> > > Just like I figured. You don't know much about interface design. I might as > well waste my time discussing French cuisine with somebody who thinks > McDonalds and Pizza Hut are super. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Votre arrogance m'étonne même parfois. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: > >> What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best >> color? >> > > Just like I figured. You don't know much about interface design. I might as > well waste my time discussing French cuisine with somebody who thinks > McDonalds and Pizza Hut are super. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? Just like I figured. You don't know much about interface design. I might as well waste my time discussing French cuisine with somebody who thinks McDonalds and Pizza Hut are super. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: > What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best > color? > > Plaid. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:36 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Reid Katan wrote: > >> I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. What >> are the obvious improvements? >> > > Go try it. > > Everyone I showed it to, except certain folks on this list, have found it > better. What's your evidence? > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Quoting tjpa : On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Reid Katan wrote: I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. What are the obvious improvements? Go try it. Everyone I showed it to, except certain folks on this list, have found it better. What's your evidence? Never mind. Maybe Betty will give an actual answer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Reid Katan wrote: I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. What are the obvious improvements? Go try it. Everyone I showed it to, except certain folks on this list, have found it better. What's your evidence? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Quoting "t.piwowar" : On Dec 21, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Reid Katan wrote: But Tom and Betty both say the Dock *works better* (not "has more functions", but "is more user friendly") on the side. And IIRC, Tom intimated that no serious user would leave the Dock on the bottom. So, what up widdat. You can arm-chair theorize all you want. I went through all the same reasons why bottom is better, but what I observed in the field was different. So I tried it and the improvement was obvious. Ditto for Windows taskbar. I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. What are the obvious improvements? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
This seems very odd...the bottoms on all my screens..and all imacs for that matter...are all wider than they are tall. Why would the dock fit in less room than more? On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Tony B wrote: > The bottom is getting crowded, so I have my ObjectDock on the left side. > > > >> But Tom and Betty both say the Dock *works better* (not "has more > >> functions", but "is more user friendly") on the side. And IIRC, Tom > >> intimated that no serious user would leave the Dock on the bottom. So, > what > >> up widdat. > > > > You can arm-chair theorize all you want. I went through all the same > reasons > > why bottom is better, but what I observed in the field was different. So > I > > tried it and the improvement was obvious. Ditto for Windows taskbar. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
More passing off opinion as if it's fact. Self importance doesn't make many points. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:10 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Dec 21, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Reid Katan wrote: > >> But Tom and Betty both say the Dock *works better* (not "has more >> functions", but "is more user friendly") on the side. And IIRC, Tom >> intimated that no serious user would leave the Dock on the bottom. So, what >> up widdat. >> > > You can arm-chair theorize all you want. I went through all the same > reasons why bottom is better, but what I observed in the field was > different. So I tried it and the improvement was obvious. Ditto for Windows > taskbar. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
The bottom is getting crowded, so I have my ObjectDock on the left side. >> But Tom and Betty both say the Dock *works better* (not "has more >> functions", but "is more user friendly") on the side. And IIRC, Tom >> intimated that no serious user would leave the Dock on the bottom. So, what >> up widdat. > > You can arm-chair theorize all you want. I went through all the same reasons > why bottom is better, but what I observed in the field was different. So I > tried it and the improvement was obvious. Ditto for Windows taskbar. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
On Dec 21, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Reid Katan wrote: But Tom and Betty both say the Dock *works better* (not "has more functions", but "is more user friendly") on the side. And IIRC, Tom intimated that no serious user would leave the Dock on the bottom. So, what up widdat. You can arm-chair theorize all you want. I went through all the same reasons why bottom is better, but what I observed in the field was different. So I tried it and the improvement was obvious. Ditto for Windows taskbar. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
