Re: [CGUYS] More on bees and cellphones
On Apr 28, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Or, in the Washington Times today... You are supposed to know that the Washington Times reports on the news of a fantasy Universe parallel to our own. I guess as the years go by it gets harder to remember that the paper was established by and continues to be owned by the Rev. Moon to promote a particular point of view. Any resemblance to reality is coincidental. (Sort of like some of the posts on this list.) The paper is designed to gradually warp the reader's percention of reality until they start to believe that they live in fantasyland. Precisely. That is why I just had to mention the wide gulf between the headline and the actual facts as revealed in the body of the article. I see many similar distortions in that paper on a regular basis. This is one of the means by which they "warp" the perceptions of their readers. Steve * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] More on bees and cellphones
On 4/29/07, Paul Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (I don't think much of Christian Science - apologies in advance - but people generally don't doubt CSM's credibiility, and you can make the same argument about WSJ or the Economist on political lines). This is an excellent point. Unfortunately, building credibility isn't at the top of all that many organization's list. Ben Stein is another person I find highly credible, though I often disagree with him. At least he makes me think that maybe I am missing some key points. I could go on and on. I may not agree with many people ideologically, but I definitely like to read the credible people on all sides. Same goes for computer writing - some people/magazines/organizations lose credibility by acting as shills, etc. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
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The fact that Fox channels GOP talking points like Madame effing Blavatsky is disheartening. I would find that obnoxious in a "liberal" or "mainstream" paper. Any ideological tendency might be worth hearing if the source shows some independent thought and willingness to look at evidence. What's the point however if they replace their mission of gathering and analyzing evidence with the job of helping to rule the country. I don't read the Times so I can't comment but its disrepute seems to reach beyond the ideological bias (I don't think much of Christian Science - apologies in advance - but people generally don't doubt CSM's credibiility, and you can make the same argument about WSJ or the Economist on political lines). John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/28/07, mike wrote: > > Weren't you supposed to change the topic to 'slam newspaper cause it > doesn't > agree with my idealogical bias' ? > That may well be true, but do you know anyone that feels they can trust the reporting of Washington Times, or who believes that Fox News is "fair and balanced"? The problems are not that every reporter is biased, in fact there are very good news reporters in both organizations. The problems are in how they are managed. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
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A classic mistake is made here. Viewership does not equal believe/and or trust. Viewership is simply that viewership. I watch CBS news (Katie Couirc) Simply because it is the main local channel we get local news on. If it were an ABC/NBC station I would watch it more for news. I not believe and/or trust Katie anymore than I do Brain Williams or the other guy. I watch both Fox News and listen to NPR. Do I believe one more than the other. NO! I base the things I trust in what I can find out personally and can ascertain for myself. Now that puts me firmly somewhere in the middle. Just because the news says it or someone reports does not make it factual to me. Remember what I said about reporting earlier? Remember all of these institutions are all out there to make or raise money to broadcast. Their main goal is to be profitable. (Exemption here is granted to NPR whose sole purpose seems to be to raise money!) Any institution whose goal is to be profitable has an ulterior motive. Take it from a guy who has worked in the non profit sector for a very long time. I have to remind my folks of this axiom all the time, as we do not exist to meet the bottom line, ours is a different goal, so therefore our methods will be different! Not crowing just stating a known fact. Stewart At 06:04 PM 4/28/2007, you wrote: Wadda ya mean Tom? Didn't the American Spectator and the Weekly Standard agree with the Washington times? That's 3 of 'em. Their thinking must be mainstream! And then there's all those think tanksThey must be right...errr, correct. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
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Wadda ya mean Tom? Didn't the American Spectator and the Weekly Standard agree with the Washington times? That's 3 of 'em. Their thinking must be mainstream! And then there's all those think tanksThey must be right...errr, correct. Tom Piwowar wrote: Or, in the Washington Times today... You are supposed to know that the Washington Times reports on the news of a fantasy Universe parallel to our own. I guess as the years go by it gets harder to remember that the paper was established by and continues to be owned by the Rev. Moon to promote a particular point of view. Any resemblance to reality is coincidental. (Sort of like some of the posts on this list.) The paper is designed to gradually warp the reader's percention of reality until they start to believe that they live in fantasyland. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
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On 4/28/07, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Weren't you supposed to change the topic to 'slam newspaper cause it doesn't agree with my idealogical bias' ? That may well be true, but do you know anyone that feels they can trust the reporting of Washington Times, or who believes that Fox News is "fair and balanced"? The problems are not that every reporter is biased, in fact there are very good news reporters in both organizations. The problems are in how they are managed. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
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Yeah it's everyone *else* that's always wrong...I've been on the list long enough to expect this from you. I do live in that fantasy world where at some point you step from your fantasy land, but that is a lot to expect. Mike On 4/28/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Weren't you supposed to change the topic to 'slam newspaper cause it doesn't >agree with my idealogical bias' ? If you write that you are simply uninformed about the history and ownership of this newspaper or you have already emigrated to fantasyland. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] More on bees and cellphones
>Weren't you supposed to change the topic to 'slam newspaper cause it doesn't >agree with my idealogical bias' ? If you write that you are simply uninformed about the history and ownership of this newspaper or you have already emigrated to fantasyland. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] More on bees and cellphones
Weren't you supposed to change the topic to 'slam newspaper cause it doesn't agree with my idealogical bias' ? Mike On 4/28/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Or, in the Washington Times today... You are supposed to know that the Washington Times reports on the news of a fantasy Universe parallel to our own. I guess as the years go by it gets harder to remember that the paper was established by and continues to be owned by the Rev. Moon to promote a particular point of view. Any resemblance to reality is coincidental. (Sort of like some of the posts on this list.) The paper is designed to gradually warp the reader's percention of reality until they start to believe that they live in fantasyland. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
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>Or, in the Washington Times today... You are supposed to know that the Washington Times reports on the news of a fantasy Universe parallel to our own. I guess as the years go by it gets harder to remember that the paper was established by and continues to be owned by the Rev. Moon to promote a particular point of view. Any resemblance to reality is coincidental. (Sort of like some of the posts on this list.) The paper is designed to gradually warp the reader's percention of reality until they start to believe that they live in fantasyland. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
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LA Times staff reporters say the #1 suspect is "Nosema ceranae" a fungus parasite. That's good. I just renewed my cell phone for another year. As a renewal I got an even better deal. $50 for the year. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] More on bees and cellphones
30 years ago my brother and a few of his friends were "challenged" by a bunch of country boys one night. (He was hanging out with a bunch of long hairs as he called it.) So they went out to meet the country boys on a dark road. (My brothers friends were not the brightest bulbs in the closet) Well needless to say my brother and his friends all got jumped and beaten up with bats and other available hardware. All of them get hauled off to the hospital where my brother ended up with a broken nose, and the severest injury was a concussion of one boy. (They broke every window in my brothers pickup truck) Headlines in Newspaper next day? GANG FIGHT ERUPTS IN SOUTH SHREVEPORT! Talk about a stretch. This was way beyond factual reporting but it got every ones attention. We had to lock everything up around the house and make sure nothing was left outside because they also published addresses of everyone involved!!! Final resolution was a couple of the other guys were charged and convicted of assault and battery and spent time in the state pen. My brother who was a long hair is now a Career Army Officer Lieutenant Colonel serving in Germany his last tour. Stewart At 06:38 PM 4/25/2007, you wrote: will grab every ones attention and use it as a come on, while the full story might say something opposite.> The classic example of this was an 11 o'clock news teaser I saw on one of the Baltimore TV stations a few years ago: "Is there snow in our future? Details at 11." The answer turned out to be "no". (I also love that they call these blatant promos "news updates".) Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
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Was it South Park where they spoofed an Evening News ad, "Which major soft drink might be lethal? We'll tell you at 11:00!" Could have been the Simpsons. Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: attention and use it as a come on, while the full story might say something opposite.> The classic example of this was an 11 o'clock news teaser I saw on one of the Baltimore TV stations a few years ago: "Is there snow in our future? Details at 11." The answer turned out to be "no". (I also love that they call these blatant promos "news updates".) * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
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In the army, huh? Are you sure he didn't have the concussion? ;-> "Rev. Stewart Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 30 years ago my brother and a few of his friends were "challenged" by a bunch of country boys one night. (He was hanging out with a bunch of long hairs as he called it.) So they went out to meet the country boys on a dark road. (My brothers friends were not the brightest bulbs in the closet) Well needless to say my brother and his friends all got jumped and beaten up with bats and other available hardware. All of them get hauled off to the hospital where my brother ended up with a broken nose, and the severest injury was a concussion of one boy. (They broke every window in my brothers pickup truck) Headlines in Newspaper next day? GANG FIGHT ERUPTS IN SOUTH SHREVEPORT! Talk about a stretch. This was way beyond factual reporting but it got every ones attention. We had to lock everything up around the house and make sure nothing was left outside because they also published addresses of everyone involved!!! Final resolution was a couple of the other guys were charged and convicted of assault and battery and spent time in the state pen. My brother who was a long hair is now a Career Army Officer Lieutenant Colonel serving in Germany his last tour. Stewart At 06:38 PM 4/25/2007, you wrote: > >will grab every ones >attention and use it as a come on, while the full story might say >something opposite.> > >The classic example of this was an 11 o'clock news teaser I saw on >one of the Baltimore TV >stations a few years ago: "Is there snow in our future? Details at >11." The answer turned >out to be "no". > >(I also love that they call these blatant promos "news updates".) Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
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On Apr 25, 2007, at 7:38 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: The classic example of this was an 11 o'clock news teaser I saw on one of the Baltimore TV stations a few years ago: "Is there snow in our future? Details at 11." The answer turned out to be "no". Or, in the Washington Times today, front page, "Syrian Agrees to Rice Meeting." That headline seem to imply that Syria has been refusing to talk, but is finally relenting and agreeing to some request from Secretary of State Rice for dialog. Actually it is us who is doing the refusing, and continuing to so so. Reading the article reveals that Rice has made no offer of dialogue whatsoever, and the Syrian official was merely saying, in response to a question, that Syria remains ready to talk at any time. Steve * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] More on bees and cellphones
On Apr 25, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: What most reporting does is look for the hook or the grab line that will grab every ones attention and use it as a come on, while the full story might say something opposite. The majors (print and broadcast) tend to do a little better job of it, but often times present a one sided view. I agree with you very much on this. Having just finished seeing a Bill Moyers special on how the press was either bamboozled or in bed with our current administration in the run up to the Iraq war, who can possibly doubt how poor our journalistic standards are today. Steve * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] More on bees and cellphones
The classic example of this was an 11 o'clock news teaser I saw on one of the Baltimore TV stations a few years ago: "Is there snow in our future? Details at 11." The answer turned out to be "no". (I also love that they call these blatant promos "news updates".) * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] More on bees and cellphones
The press has a real problem distinguishing pseudo science from real science and rarely has anyone trained in science reporting on science. The same can be said of computer reporting (Except in specialized magazines) Religion and a host of other specialties. What most reporting does is look for the hook or the grab line that will grab every ones attention and use it as a come on, while the full story might say something opposite. The majors (print and broadcast) tend to do a little better job of it, but often times present a one sided view. I prefer when they talk about medical science (religion you name the speciality) to bring in a practicing doctor (same for other specialities) to discuss the current findings. Usually they will do a well balanced report of what seems to be a headline but is in reality just normal news. Stewart At 05:40 PM 4/25/2007, you wrote: According to information from the "To the Point" program today, the suspicion about possible cell phone induced causes of bee disappearances was not intended to be the focus, and was not the finding of any study. Even high power electricity transmission lines appear to only be something of an electrical shock hazard if a bee comes too close to the wires, or something like that. So, I am left to wonder how the press and other reports got it all wrong. Is there possibly some spin now being applied to the results of the studies as a form of backpedaling to avoid the possibility of an overly anxious public? If so, it would not be the first time. But, it remains more probable that pesticides and other man-created causes are the primary factors, to include genetic crop modifications. There could be more than one cause as well. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] More on bees and cellphones
On Apr 25, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Maybe we won't have to lose our cellphones after all to save the crops. Just as well-I can imagine the HUGE protests if businesses (and teenagers) were asked to give up their precious cellphones and blackberries to save a BUG. The political battle to get rid of the relevant insecticides, or other environmental hazards, will be bad enough. According to information from the "To the Point" program today, the suspicion about possible cell phone induced causes of bee disappearances was not intended to be the focus, and was not the finding of any study. Even high power electricity transmission lines appear to only be something of an electrical shock hazard if a bee comes too close to the wires, or something like that. So, I am left to wonder how the press and other reports got it all wrong. Is there possibly some spin now being applied to the results of the studies as a form of backpedaling to avoid the possibility of an overly anxious public? If so, it would not be the first time. But, it remains more probable that pesticides and other man-created causes are the primary factors, to include genetic crop modifications. There could be more than one cause as well. Steve * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
