Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!
Carbonite works with Apple so I expect you to be dropping apple of course. On Nov 3, 2009 11:48 AM, "tjpa" wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:47 PM, mike wrote: > > BTW, lemme know when you stop using Apple products sinc... Details please. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!
I think the confusion is online storage does stink for lots of day to day
uses if it is not stored locally as well. Online storage is great as a
second or third string backup for when your house burns down and you are
just happy to get to your photos at all.
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Tony B wrote:
> I was only making a side point, not inviting a bash-fest of cell phone
> companies.
>
> But thanks for bringing us back on topic. In fact, I just got our bill
> for our company backups - it was $1.78 last month on Amazon S3 (you
> only pay for what you use). Mozy and others offer free limited
> storage, which may be enough for you. And of course, Yahoo mail,
> Windows Live mail, Gmail, and others all offer lots of free cloud
> email storage.
>
> The ridiculously popular Carbonite ("Peace of Mind" backup) is only
> $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too
> expensive.
>
> You are also incorrect about needing a continuous connection. But
> obviously broadband is what makes _large_ amounts of cloud storage
> tenable. And if my broadband at home wasn't so reliable, I too would
> probably never consider webmail, even though gmail offers offline
> access.
>
> > You claim that we can get our email and data "anywhere" and it's "cheap"
> but
> > that's clearly not the case. Online storage sucked in 1978, 1988, 1998,
> > 2008, and it's not practical for people on a budget now, only for
> businesses
> > and those who can afford continuous connections and have continuous
> access
> > to those networks.
> >
> > You're the one in the cloud fantasy, not us.
> >
> > You're the serious topic hijacker. Keep on topic.
>
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I just have one problem with this. It is under someone else's control. What is to say that they will not come back and say If you want this information you will have to pay us such and such $s. Secondly everyone claims paranoia about the government getting into your stuff (listening in to phone conversations, tracking our movements with GPS, etc. etc.) Yet we will put this stuff up on the cloud and trust that no one will get into it? One of the things that keeps getting stressed in Identity theft classes, and with youth on what NOT to do to get a job is putting stuff on line. The Cloud is not secure. Stewart At 10:43 AM 11/3/2009, you wrote: You are also incorrect about needing a continuous connection. But obviously broadband is what makes _large_ amounts of cloud storage tenable. And if my broadband at home wasn't so reliable, I too would probably never consider webmail, even though gmail offers offline access. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Who again?
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:10 AM, tjpa wrote:
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Tony B wrote:
>
>> The ridiculously popular Carbonite ("Peace of Mind" backup) is only
>> $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too
>> expensive.
>>
>
> True, but they use part of their profits to support wacky neocon politics.
> I will stay away.
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On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Tony B wrote:
The ridiculously popular Carbonite ("Peace of Mind" backup) is only
$4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too
expensive.
True, but they use part of their profits to support wacky neocon
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On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Rich Schinnell wrote: For example I would not trust Apple. I can't believe what I am reading that. What an epiphany or is it a revelation? No it is the same consistent, honest observation of the industry that you get from me every day. You fan bois should not assume that everyone acts like you do. I'm not blindly rooting for a local team or political party. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Clearly, you have not been reading Tom's posts very carefully. Rich Schinnell wrote: At 03:06 PM 11/7/2009, tjpa wrote: Date:Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:05:15 -0500 From:tjpa Subject: Re: online storage --HIJACKED!! For example I would not trust Apple. Repeat after me: For example I would not trust Apple. For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'm sure his account was hijacked. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Rich Schinnell wrote: > At 03:06 PM 11/7/2009, tjpa wrote: > >> Date:Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:05:15 -0500 >> >> From:tjpa >> Subject: Re: online storage --HIJACKED!! >> >> For example I would not trust Apple. >> > > Repeat after me: > For example I would not trust Apple. For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust > Apple. > > > I can't believe what I am reading that. What an epiphany or is it a > revelation? > > Now I can die in peace knowing that TJP actually said this, Or is this the > Identity thief that jumped in here and wrote that? > > Rich > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 03:06 PM 11/7/2009, tjpa wrote: Date:Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:05:15 -0500 From:tjpa Subject: Re: online storage --HIJACKED!! For example I would not trust Apple. Repeat after me: For example I would not trust Apple. For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple.For example I would not trust Apple. I can't believe what I am reading that. What an epiphany or is it a revelation? Now I can die in peace knowing that TJP actually said this, Or is this the Identity thief that jumped in here and wrote that? Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 3, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Tony B wrote: Yes, I suppose Google et al, could announce tomorrow that they'll be charging for gmail. But why live life based around what some company *might* do in the future? Especially Google. Google has been especially clever at finding opportunities that nobody else saw and turning them into big revenue streams while keeping everybody happy. They give away search for free and mix paid content into it in a way that is not only not objectionable, but actually welcome. When I want to buy things I go to Google, knowing that the paid content will lead me to sites that are eager to sell. As a seller I am happy to give Google money because they bring customers to me. They have an excellent system for managing my online advertising and for measuring the effectiveness of my advertising. So I think I'm quite safe assuming that Google is not going away and is not planning to pick my pocket. I think Amazon's service is probably a safe bet too. On the other hand I do have serious doubts about many of the other online storage services. For example I would not trust Apple. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Being in the valley of the sun for so long...clouds are nothing but good here. On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > No, I've never seen the name as derogatory. Most 'clouds' are good, aren't >>> they? >>> >> >> >> Down south "storm clouds" are not a good omen and often portend very bad >> weather. >> > > > Especially green clouds that warn us to take cover from tornadoes! > > Most clouds around here are not so good, especially since we've had floods, > mold, and cloudy days most of the summer that have been hurting local > farmers whose crops aren't growing as quickly as usual. Good clouds are the > ones that end droughts without causing floods, then blow away to let the sun > shine through to the ground. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Take it from me you often do not see green clouds before tornadoes. Especially if they happen at night. But whenever the scanner goes off, take cover. We lost a high school two years ago (plus 8 lives), no warning no green clouds. But again Clouds are not always friendly. Stewart At 01:49 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote: Especially green clouds that warn us to take cover from tornadoes! Most clouds around here are not so good, especially since we've had floods, mold, and cloudy days most of the summer that have been hurting local farmers whose crops aren't growing as quickly as usual. Good clouds are the ones that end droughts without causing floods, then blow away to let the sun shine through to the ground. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!
No, I've never seen the name as derogatory. Most 'clouds' are good, aren't they? Down south "storm clouds" are not a good omen and often portend very bad weather. Especially green clouds that warn us to take cover from tornadoes! Most clouds around here are not so good, especially since we've had floods, mold, and cloudy days most of the summer that have been hurting local farmers whose crops aren't growing as quickly as usual. Good clouds are the ones that end droughts without causing floods, then blow away to let the sun shine through to the ground. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Down south "storm clouds" are not a good omen and often portend very bad weather. Stewart At 01:02 PM 11/4/2009, you wrote: No, I've never seen the name as derogatory. Most 'clouds' are good, aren't they? On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > The "cloud" name is new, but it's a revamped version of an old idea. I'm > just waiting for the new, new name for it. "Cloud" is a bad name. Too > nebulous. The name gives the impression of unreliability, but maybe that's > deliberate--a warning. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No, I've never seen the name as derogatory. Most 'clouds' are good, aren't they? On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > The "cloud" name is new, but it's a revamped version of an old idea. I'm > just waiting for the new, new name for it. "Cloud" is a bad name. Too > nebulous. The name gives the impression of unreliability, but maybe that's > deliberate--a warning. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Why are you adding all that unrelated stuff together? Just to make a point with people that can't add??? If you're tired of hearing about cloud computing then you're on the wrong list. For those of us who are on the road a lot, all of the items are important to be connected well enough to remote servers. Otherwise it isn't feasible. Lots of places don't have WiFi or broadband or even reliable mobile networks. Often, I have to use my phone card from a landline, sometimes from a pay phone if I can find one. Do you stay home or mostly in your local area? Sounds like you do. What would you do to connect to your clouded data from central Wyoming, or Mexico? I've been to both and many other places that have spotty connections. I'd never be able to get my data if I had to rely on remote servers without a satellite phone. The only things I keep online in an encrypted "vault" are passport, prescriptions, hints to credit card numbers and logins [not full info]. Some of my email is online, but it's not practical to have all of it online since "online" isn't available in many places. Stay home. Stay local. Online might work. Leave home. Travel around. It's as bad a service as it's always been--unless you have a company paying for the necessary connections that you need on the road. The "cloud" name is new, but it's a revamped version of an old idea. I'm just waiting for the new, new name for it. "Cloud" is a bad name. Too nebulous. The name gives the impression of unreliability, but maybe that's deliberate--a warning. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Why are you adding all that unrelated stuff together? Just to make a point with people that can't add??? If you're tired of hearing about cloud computing then you're on the wrong list. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > Online backups: > $1.78-$4.60 per month for backup service, PLUS the faster broadband service > for home/office, PLUS the mobile data plan, PLUS the cellular modem plan for > a notebook. These can easily add up to well over $100/mo., could be upwards > of $150-$200/mo. > > EXPENSIVE, unless you stay home. This works for you. That doesn't mean it > works for others. > > You ignore the total cost, concentrating on the backup service and ignoring > the other costs for online access away from home. > > Please tell us what the next branding for online services will be after we > get tired of hearing about clouds. OK we're tired of it now. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Online backups:
$1.78-$4.60 per month for backup service, PLUS the faster broadband
service for home/office, PLUS the mobile data plan, PLUS the cellular
modem plan for a notebook. These can easily add up to well over
$100/mo., could be upwards of $150-$200/mo.
EXPENSIVE, unless you stay home. This works for you. That doesn't mean
it works for others.
You ignore the total cost, concentrating on the backup service and
ignoring the other costs for online access away from home.
Please tell us what the next branding for online services will be after
we get tired of hearing about clouds. OK we're tired of it now.
But thanks for bringing us back on topic. In fact, I just got our bill
for our company backups - it was $1.78 last month on Amazon S3 (you
only pay for what you use). Mozy and others offer free limited
storage, which may be enough for you. And of course, Yahoo mail,
Windows Live mail, Gmail, and others all offer lots of free cloud
email storage.
The ridiculously popular Carbonite ("Peace of Mind" backup) is only
$4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too
expensive.
You are also incorrect about needing a continuous connection. But
obviously broadband is what makes _large_ amounts of cloud storage
tenable. And if my broadband at home wasn't so reliable, I too would
probably never consider webmail, even though gmail offers offline
access.
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Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!
Our backups in the cloud are certainly under OUR control. Well, mine anyway. I tell it what to backup online, and if I need to access it, I do. Yes, I suppose Google et al, could announce tomorrow that they'll be charging for gmail. But why live life based around what some company *might* do in the future? Your point about security is certainly a valid one. If you need HIPAA or DOD security, then you need to be careful, as many cloud apps aren't yet fully compliant. However, for day to day use, it really doesn't bother me. So what if someone manages to read my old email? There are no state secrets in there. Ditto on my computer backups. Note though that in no cases of identity theft has anyone anywhere ever accomplished the deed by breaking into someone's cloud storage. It's just not that difficult. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > I just have one problem with this. It is under someone else's control. > > What is to say that they will not come back and say If you want this > information you will have to pay us such and such $s. > > Secondly everyone claims paranoia about the government getting into your > stuff (listening in to phone conversations, tracking our movements with GPS, > etc. etc.) > > Yet we will put this stuff up on the cloud and trust that no one will get > into it? > > One of the things that keeps getting stressed in Identity theft classes, and > with youth on what NOT to do to get a job is putting stuff on line. > > The Cloud is not secure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:47 PM, mike wrote: BTW, lemme know when you stop using Apple products since they support Carbonite. Details please. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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BTW, lemme know when you stop using Apple products since they support
Carbonite.
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:10 AM, tjpa wrote:
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Tony B wrote:
>
>> The ridiculously popular Carbonite ("Peace of Mind" backup) is only
>> $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too
>> expensive.
>>
>
> True, but they use part of their profits to support wacky neocon politics.
> I will stay away.
>
>
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I was only making a side point, not inviting a bash-fest of cell phone
companies.
But thanks for bringing us back on topic. In fact, I just got our bill
for our company backups - it was $1.78 last month on Amazon S3 (you
only pay for what you use). Mozy and others offer free limited
storage, which may be enough for you. And of course, Yahoo mail,
Windows Live mail, Gmail, and others all offer lots of free cloud
email storage.
The ridiculously popular Carbonite ("Peace of Mind" backup) is only
$4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too
expensive.
You are also incorrect about needing a continuous connection. But
obviously broadband is what makes _large_ amounts of cloud storage
tenable. And if my broadband at home wasn't so reliable, I too would
probably never consider webmail, even though gmail offers offline
access.
> You claim that we can get our email and data "anywhere" and it's "cheap" but
> that's clearly not the case. Online storage sucked in 1978, 1988, 1998,
> 2008, and it's not practical for people on a budget now, only for businesses
> and those who can afford continuous connections and have continuous access
> to those networks.
>
> You're the one in the cloud fantasy, not us.
>
> You're the serious topic hijacker. Keep on topic.
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Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!
Tony B escribió: Why don't you guys start your own thread to whine about cell phones? I started this thread to discuss online storage - "the cloud". Serious topic hijacking. Tony, You hijacked this thread. Tony sez: "...But have you seen modern cell coverage maps of the country? What part are you in that you can't get your email anywhere you need it? Offline access just isn't a factor any longer..." You claim that we can get our email and data "anywhere" and it's "cheap" but that's clearly not the case. Online storage sucked in 1978, 1988, 1998, 2008, and it's not practical for people on a budget now, only for businesses and those who can afford continuous connections and have continuous access to those networks. You're the one in the cloud fantasy, not us. You're the serious topic hijacker. Keep on topic. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
