Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons

[Edward J. Lowitz via CoTyroneList]

This whole conversation really should get off this Subject Line.  Why?  1) 
Because not everyone reads every email that comes from a list.  2) Readers 
assume that the response relates to the original email which they may not have 
an interest in.

If you want to increase your chances of a response, put the Surname and 
Location in the subject line or otherwise make it more relevant.  The one 
person who has what you want may have tuned out "CTI Updates & Additions".

Jim McKane does an admirable job with his Subject lines.

Ed.

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From: CoTyroneList [mailto:cotyronelist-boun...@cotyroneireland.com] On Behalf 
Of Donna Campbell via CoTyroneList
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:24 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Donna Campbell
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons

Hi All,
   I have searched and searched trying to find my gr. Grandmother’s parents and 
place of birth in Tyrone.
   My great grandmother was Mary Ann Burrows and she married William James 
Campbell in Belfast at the Ekenhead Presbyterian Church on 10 March 1888. Her 
marriage record states that her father is John Burrows and that she was born in 
Tyrone.  The 1901 census has her living on Combermere St Belfast and again 
lists Tyrone as her birth place and age at 39 which brings her birth year to 
1862. She is buried in Belfast Cemetery along with her husband and her sister 
on 21 Jan. 1926 age 62 putting her birth in 1864.
   My great aunt, Mary Ann’s sister was Elizabeth Burrows and she was married 
to Joseph Gass in Belfast in the church of Ireland on 16 Nov. 1874. It states 
also that her father is John Burrowes. Only on this record is Burrowes spelled 
this way with an es. She was 21 which brings her birth around 1853.  In the 
1901 census she is recorded an age of 40 which brings her birth year to 1861. 
She died in Belfast and is buried with William James Campbell and MaryAnn 
Campbell in Belfast City Cemetery. This record has her age as 49 which puts 
birth around 1857.
   Any help trying to figure out the two  Burrows sisters births and parents 
would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Donna Campbell
momo...@comcast.net


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> On Dec 1, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello to ALL CTI Supporters and Followers - 
> 
> WOW! What a start to December!
> 
> Len has produced no less than FIVE more very interesting pages of records for 
> everyone to enjoy! I will never be able to comprehend the numbers of hours he 
> must put in on our behalf..
> 
> Now I'm going to ask for a HUGE FAVOUR - we see lots of posting to the List 
> where a Member is seeking help finding information on an ancestor BUT we VERY 
> RARELY see postings announcing SUCCESS!
> 
> It sure would give Len and myself more incentive to keep going forward if we 
> heard about some successes.. OR are we spinning our wheels and 
> there are no successes??? GRINS
> 
> Also, an early Merry Christmas for those who celebrate it.
> 
> Regards
> Jim
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons

[Donna Campbell via CoTyroneList]

Hi All,
   I have searched and searched trying to find my gr. Grandmother’s parents and 
place of birth in Tyrone.
   My great grandmother was Mary Ann Burrows and she married William James 
Campbell in Belfast at the Ekenhead Presbyterian Church on 10 March 1888. Her 
marriage record states that her father is John Burrows and that she was born in 
Tyrone.  The 1901 census has her living on Combermere St Belfast and again 
lists Tyrone as her birth place and age at 39 which brings her birth year to 
1862. She is buried in Belfast Cemetery along with her husband and her sister 
on 21 Jan. 1926 age 62 putting her birth in 1864.
   My great aunt, Mary Ann’s sister was Elizabeth Burrows and she was married 
to Joseph Gass in Belfast in the church of Ireland on 16 Nov. 1874. It states 
also that her father is John Burrowes. Only on this record is Burrowes spelled 
this way with an es. She was 21 which brings her birth around 1853.  In the 
1901 census she is recorded an age of 40 which brings her birth year to 1861. 
She died in Belfast and is buried with William James Campbell and MaryAnn 
Campbell in Belfast City Cemetery. This record has her age as 49 which puts 
birth around 1857.
   Any help trying to figure out the two  Burrows sisters births and parents 
would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Donna Campbell
momo...@comcast.net


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> On Dec 1, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello to ALL CTI Supporters and Followers - 
> 
> WOW! What a start to December!
> 
> Len has produced no less than FIVE more very interesting pages of records for 
> everyone to enjoy! I will never be able to comprehend the numbers of hours he 
> must put in on our behalf..
> 
> Now I'm going to ask for a HUGE FAVOUR - we see lots of posting to the List 
> where a Member is seeking help finding information on an ancestor BUT we VERY 
> RARELY see postings announcing SUCCESS!
> 
> It sure would give Len and myself more incentive to keep going forward if we 
> heard about some successes.. OR are we spinning our wheels and 
> there are no successes??? GRINS
> 
> Also, an early Merry Christmas for those who celebrate it.
> 
> Regards
> Jim
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons

[Kathleen Cooper via CoTyroneList]

JoAnn,I'm sure you would have heard if someone had any information 
to give you. Sometimes it's just a case of timing. Have you looked up 
techniques for difficult research? Are you looking for different spellings of 
the name? Have you checked the 1901 and 1911 census to see if there are 
McQuades listed and where they lived so you have an idea of the townland? Or do 
you know the townland? Townland and parish are very important in Irish 
research. Have you gone through the steps for basic Irish research? Griffith's 
Valuation? An open-ended question such as you asked is very difficult to answer 
unless someone happens to be researching the same name. Perhaps if you cover 
some of the above suggestions or tell us what you HAVE done, our list members 
can help you to the next step.Good luck,Kathleen  On Sun, 01 Dec 2019 
13:16:37 -0800  joAnn via CoTyroneList wrote 
I requested many months ago for help in finding my ancestors who came from 
Tyrone Co., Ireland.  I have never received one response.  Please help – am I 
supposed to go in another direction??  George H. McQuade is my great 
grandfather.  Here is all I know: “George H. McQuade, Sr., aged 77 years, died 
at his home in Beaver Prairie, Clinton Co., Illinois.  Deceased was born in 
County Tyrone, Ireland, in 1829 and in 1846 (age 17) he emigrated to this 
country, making St. Louis his new home.  Here he married Mrs. Catherine Ramsey 
Montague. In 1873, he removed to Beaver Prairie, this county, where he engaged 
in farming.   George H. McQuade Sr. (11/18/1829-05/05/1906) was born in Tyrone 
County, Monaghan, Ireland.  His parents were:  Dominick (1800-   ) and Susan 
McQuade (1810 --). He came to America in 1846 and resided in St. Louis.  On 
12/6/1855, he married (Mrs.) Catherine Ramsey Tague (1/26/1826-4/11/1900), born 
in Monagham, Ireland, the daughter of George & Margaret Ramsey.  I WOULD 
GREATLY APPRECIATE ANY HELP I CAN GET.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. JoAnn (McQuade) 
varelvar...@frontiernet.net *** 






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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons

[Dorothy Gaunt via CoTyroneList]

JoAnn
I remember replying to your initial message as I too have McQuades from Tyrone. 
I told you what I knew of mine, and asked for more information and also asked 
if you had taken a DNA test, but heard no further. I am sure you will find the 
advice Elwyn and Ed have given you will be useful and wish you luck in your 
searches.  I hope you will post your findings here as I am always interested to 
hear about McQuades/ McQuaids. 
Dorothy

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> On 2/12/2019, at 11:33 AM, Edward J. Lowitz via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> JoAnn, you don’t cite the source of your information.  Was it an obit?  
> Verbal family history?  Internet source?  All of those can simply be wrong.  
> Have you been able to confirm from another independent source that he was 
> indeed from Tyrone?  You may want to confirm Tyrone before you spend any more 
> time on it. 
>  
> Ed.
>  
> From: CoTyroneList [mailto:cotyronelist-boun...@cotyroneireland.com] On 
> Behalf Of elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList
> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:56 PM
> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
> Cc: elwyn soutter
> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons
>  
> JoAnn,
>  
> You haven’t said what denomination your McQuade family was but looking at the 
> 1901 census for Tyrone all 131 were RC so I’ll assume yours were too.
>  
> I searched the rootsireland records for any McQuade children born in Tyrone 
> in 1830 +/- 10 years to parents named Dominick and Susan. I did not find any. 
> I also checked the Ancestry RC records and likewise didn’t find anything. The 
> problem may be that the parish your ancestor came from may not have records 
> for that period. That wasn’t uncommon.  Many RC parishes didn't start keeping 
> records till the 1820s or later. There are few other records to refer to at 
> that period.
>  
> I checked the tithe applotment records for Tyrone for the period 1825 – 1835. 
> They should list anyone with land (the tithes were essentially a land tax). 
> There was no Dominick McQuade listed suggesting your ancestor probably wasn’t 
> a farmer.
>  
> Statutory death registration started in Ireland in 1864. I searched the stat 
> records for  Co Tyrone for a Dominic(k) who died 1864 – 1901 but did  find 
> any. Likewise for Susan, I found just 2 of the right age. One was a spinster 
> who died  in 1884 aged 72 and the other who died 23.5.1899 aged 75 was the 
> widow of Patrick McQuade. So, if they came from Tyrone, it appears that your 
> ancestors both died before 1864. In which case there may be no record of 
> their deaths.
>  
> I also searched Griffiths Valuation (c 1860) for Dominick and Susan McQuade 
> (and variations) but did not find either. That also suggest both were dead by 
> that era.
>  
> Possibly DNA testing may be a way of matching with others who have additional 
> information about where the family originate. Family Tree DNA reportedly has 
> more people with Ulster roots than any other company. That obviously 
> increases the chances of finding a match. You might want to try them or, if 
> you have already tested, you can transfer your results to them for no fee.
>  
> The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA project 
> in conjunction with FTDNA and can offer testing kits at a reduced price.  
> http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Elwyn
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 21:16, joAnn via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> I requested many months ago for help in finding my ancestors who came from 
> Tyrone Co., Ireland.  I have never received one response.  Please help – am I 
> supposed to go in another direction??  George H. McQuade is my great 
> grandfather.  Here is all I know:
>  
> “George H. McQuade, Sr., aged 77 years, died at his home in Beaver Prairie, 
> Clinton Co., Illinois.  Deceased was born in County Tyrone, Ireland, in 1829 
> and in 1846 (age 17) he emigrated to this country, making St. Louis his new 
> home.  Here he married Mrs. Catherine Ramsey Montague. In 1873, he removed to 
> Beaver Prairie, this county, where he engaged in farming. 
>  
>  
> 
> George H. McQuade Sr. (11/18/1829-05/05/1906) was born in Tyrone County, 
> Monaghan, Ireland.  His parents were:  Dominick (1800-   ) and Susan McQuade 
> (1810 --). He came to America in 1846 and resided in St. Louis.  On 
> 12/6/1855, he married (Mrs.) Catherine Ramsey Tague (1/26/1826-4/11/1900), 
> born in Monagham, Ireland, the daughter of George & Margaret Ramsey.
>  
> I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE ANY HELP I CAN GET.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
>  
> JoAnn (McQuade) Varel
> var...@frontiernet.net
>  
> ***
>  
> 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons

[Edward J. Lowitz via CoTyroneList]

JoAnn, you don’t cite the source of your information.  Was it an obit?  Verbal 
family history?  Internet source?  All of those can simply be wrong.  Have you 
been able to confirm from another independent source that he was indeed from 
Tyrone?  You may want to confirm Tyrone before you spend any more time on it.  

 

Ed.

 

From: CoTyroneList [mailto:cotyronelist-boun...@cotyroneireland.com] On Behalf 
Of elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 4:56 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: elwyn soutter
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons

 

JoAnn,

 

You haven’t said what denomination your McQuade family was but looking at the 
1901 census for Tyrone all 131 were RC so I’ll assume yours were too.

 

I searched the rootsireland records for any McQuade children born in Tyrone in 
1830 +/- 10 years to parents named Dominick and Susan. I did not find any. I 
also checked the Ancestry RC records and likewise didn’t find anything. The 
problem may be that the parish your ancestor came from may not have records for 
that period. That wasn’t uncommon.  Many RC parishes didn't start keeping 
records till the 1820s or later. There are few other records to refer to at 
that period.

 

I checked the tithe applotment records for Tyrone for the period 1825 – 1835. 
They should list anyone with land (the tithes were essentially a land tax). 
There was no Dominick McQuade listed suggesting your ancestor probably wasn’t a 
farmer.

 

Statutory death registration started in Ireland in 1864. I searched the stat 
records for  Co Tyrone for a Dominic(k) who died 1864 – 1901 but did  find any. 
Likewise for Susan, I found just 2 of the right age. One was a spinster who 
died  in 1884 aged 72 and the other who died 23.5.1899 aged 75 was the widow of 
Patrick McQuade. So, if they came from Tyrone, it appears that your ancestors 
both died before 1864. In which case there may be no record of their deaths.

 

I also searched Griffiths Valuation (c 1860) for Dominick and Susan McQuade 
(and variations) but did not find either. That also suggest both were dead by 
that era.

 

Possibly DNA testing may be a way of matching with others who have additional 
information about where the family originate. Family Tree DNA reportedly has 
more people with Ulster roots than any other company. That obviously increases 
the chances of finding a match. You might want to try them or, if you have 
already tested, you can transfer your results to them for no fee.

 

The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA project in 
conjunction with FTDNA and can offer testing kits at a reduced price.   
<http://www.nifhs.org/> http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).

 

 

 

 

Elwyn

 

 

 

 

On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 21:16, joAnn via CoTyroneList 
 wrote:

I requested many months ago for help in finding my ancestors who came from 
Tyrone Co., Ireland.  I have never received one response.  Please help – am I 
supposed to go in another direction??  George H. McQuade is my great 
grandfather.  Here is all I know:

 

“George H. McQuade, Sr., aged 77 years, died at his home in Beaver Prairie, 
Clinton Co., Illinois.  Deceased was born in County Tyrone, Ireland, in 1829 
and in 1846 (age 17) he emigrated to this country, making St. Louis his new 
home.  Here he married Mrs. Catherine Ramsey Montague. In 1873, he removed to 
Beaver Prairie, this county, where he engaged in farming.  

 

 




George H. McQuade Sr. (11/18/1829-05/05/1906) was born in Tyrone County, 
Monaghan, Ireland.  His parents were:  Dominick (1800-   ) and Susan McQuade 
(1810 --). He came to America in 1846 and resided in St. Louis.  On 
12/6/1855, he married (Mrs.) Catherine Ramsey Tague (1/26/1826-4/11/1900), born 
in Monagham, Ireland, the daughter of George & Margaret Ramsey. 

 

I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE ANY HELP I CAN GET.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

 

JoAnn (McQuade) Varel

var...@frontiernet.net

 

***

 

From: CoTyroneList  On Behalf Of Jim 
McKane via CoTyroneList
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:59 AM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
Cc: Jim McKane 
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons

 

Hello to ALL CTI Supporters and Followers - 

 

WOW! What a start to December!

 

Len has produced no less than FIVE more very interesting pages of records for 
everyone to enjoy! I will never be able to comprehend the numbers of hours he 
must put in on our behalf..

 

Now I'm going to ask for a HUGE FAVOUR - we see lots of posting to the List 
where a Member is seeking help finding information on an ancestor BUT we VERY 
RARELY see postings announcing SUCCESS!

 

It sure would give Len and myself more incentive to keep going forward if we 
heard about some successes.. OR are we spinning our wheels and 
there are no successes??? GRINS

 

Also, an early Merry Christmas for those who celebrate it

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons

[elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList]

JoAnn,



You haven’t said what denomination your McQuade family was but looking at
the 1901 census for Tyrone all 131 were RC so I’ll assume yours were too.



I searched the rootsireland records for any McQuade children born in Tyrone
in 1830 +/- 10 years to parents named Dominick and Susan. I did not find
any. I also checked the Ancestry RC records and likewise didn’t find
anything. The problem may be that the parish your ancestor came from may
not have records for that period. That wasn’t uncommon.  Many RC parishes
didn't start keeping records till the 1820s or later. There are few other
records to refer to at that period.



I checked the tithe applotment records for Tyrone for the period 1825 –
1835. They should list anyone with land (the tithes were essentially a land
tax). There was no Dominick McQuade listed suggesting your ancestor
probably wasn’t a farmer.



Statutory death registration started in Ireland in 1864. I searched the
stat records for  Co Tyrone for a Dominic(k) who died 1864 – 1901 but did  find
any. Likewise for Susan, I found just 2 of the right age. One was a
spinster who died  in 1884 aged 72 and the other who died 23.5.1899 aged 75
was the widow of Patrick McQuade. So, if they came from Tyrone, it appears
that your ancestors both died before 1864. In which case there may be no
record of their deaths.



I also searched Griffiths Valuation (c 1860) for Dominick and Susan McQuade
(and variations) but did not find either. That also suggest both were dead
by that era.



Possibly DNA testing may be a way of matching with others who have
additional information about where the family originate. Family Tree DNA
reportedly has more people with Ulster roots than any other company. That
obviously increases the chances of finding a match. You might want to try
them or, if you have already tested, you can transfer your results to them
for no fee.



The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA
project in conjunction with FTDNA and can offer testing kits at a reduced
price.  http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).









Elwyn







On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 21:16, joAnn via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> I requested many months ago for help in finding my ancestors who came from
> Tyrone Co., Ireland.  I have never received one response.  Please help – am
> I supposed to go in another direction??  George H. McQuade is my great
> grandfather.  Here is all I know:
>
>
>
> *“George H. McQuade, Sr., aged 77 years, died at his home in Beaver
> Prairie, Clinton Co., Illinois.  Deceased was born in County Tyrone,
> Ireland, in 1829 and in 1846 (age 17) he emigrated to this country, making
> St. Louis his new home.  Here he married Mrs. Catherine Ramsey Montague. In
> 1873, he removed to Beaver Prairie, this county, where he engaged in
> farming.  *
>
>
>
> *George H. McQuade Sr. (11/18/1829-05/05/1906) was born in Tyrone County,
> Monaghan, Ireland.  His parents were:  Dominick (1800-   ) and Susan
> McQuade (1810 --). He came to America in 1846 and resided in St.
> Louis.  On 12/6/1855, he married (Mrs.) Catherine Ramsey Tague
> (1/26/1826-4/11/1900), born in Monagham, Ireland, the daughter of George &
> Margaret Ramsey. *
>
>
>
> *I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE ANY HELP I CAN GET.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.*
>
>
>
> *JoAnn (McQuade) Varel*
>
> *var...@frontiernet.net *
>
>
>
> *
>
>
>
> *From:* CoTyroneList  *On
> Behalf Of *Jim McKane via CoTyroneList
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:59 AM
> *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
> *Cc:* Jim McKane 
> *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons
>
>
>
> Hello to ALL CTI Supporters and Followers -
>
>
>
> WOW! What a start to December!
>
>
>
> Len has produced no less than FIVE more very interesting pages of records
> for everyone to enjoy! I will never be able to comprehend the numbers of
> hours he must put in on our behalf..
>
>
>
> Now I'm going to ask for a HUGE FAVOUR - we see lots of posting to the
> List where a Member is seeking help finding information on an ancestor BUT
> we VERY RARELY see postings announcing SUCCESS!
>
>
>
> It sure would give Len and myself more incentive to keep going forward if
> we heard about some successes.. OR are we spinning our wheels
> and there are no successes??? GRINS
>
>
>
> Also, an early Merry Christmas for those who celebrate it.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Jim
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[joAnn via CoTyroneList]

I requested many months ago for help in finding my ancestors who came from 
Tyrone Co., Ireland.  I have never received one response.  Please help – am I 
supposed to go in another direction??  George H. McQuade is my great 
grandfather.  Here is all I know:

 

“George H. McQuade, Sr., aged 77 years, died at his home in Beaver Prairie, 
Clinton Co., Illinois.  Deceased was born in County Tyrone, Ireland, in 1829 
and in 1846 (age 17) he emigrated to this country, making St. Louis his new 
home.  Here he married Mrs. Catherine Ramsey Montague. In 1873, he removed to 
Beaver Prairie, this county, where he engaged in farming.  




 




George H. McQuade Sr. (11/18/1829-05/05/1906) was born in Tyrone County, 
Monaghan, Ireland.  His parents were:  Dominick (1800-   ) and Susan McQuade 
(1810 --). He came to America in 1846 and resided in St. Louis.  On 
12/6/1855, he married (Mrs.) Catherine Ramsey Tague (1/26/1826-4/11/1900), born 
in Monagham, Ireland, the daughter of George & Margaret Ramsey. 

 

I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE ANY HELP I CAN GET.  THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

 

JoAnn (McQuade) Varel

var...@frontiernet.net  

 

***

 

From: CoTyroneList  On Behalf Of Jim 
McKane via CoTyroneList
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:59 AM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
Cc: Jim McKane 
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Updates & Additons

 

Hello to ALL CTI Supporters and Followers - 

 

WOW! What a start to December!

 

Len has produced no less than FIVE more very interesting pages of records for 
everyone to enjoy! I will never be able to comprehend the numbers of hours he 
must put in on our behalf..

 

Now I'm going to ask for a HUGE FAVOUR - we see lots of posting to the List 
where a Member is seeking help finding information on an ancestor BUT we VERY 
RARELY see postings announcing SUCCESS!

 

It sure would give Len and myself more incentive to keep going forward if we 
heard about some successes.. OR are we spinning our wheels and 
there are no successes??? GRINS

 

Also, an early Merry Christmas for those who celebrate it.

 

Regards

Jim

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