Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread MiB
mar 17 2014 05:10 John j...@coffeeonmars.com:

 I think I'm getting closer to understand how to use this new (to me) method 
 of positioning, but I don't get what it's relative to, such that Firefox 
 renders it differently from Opera, Chrome and Safari..

Absolute positioning is relative to the nearest Positioning context. That is 
the first parent — going inside out from the current element — that has a 
position. 

Just position:relative; is enough for the positioning context element. Without 
a positioning context you are effectively positioning relative to the body 
element. All of this is of course Elementary CSS Layout.


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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread MiB

mar 17 2014 08:35 MiB digital.disc...@gmail.com:

 mar 17 2014 05:10 John j...@coffeeonmars.com:
 
 I think I'm getting closer to understand how to use this new (to me) method 
 of positioning, but I don't get what it's relative to, such that Firefox 
 renders it differently from Opera, Chrome and Safari..
 
 Absolute positioning is relative to the nearest Positioning context. That is 
 the first parent — going inside out from the current element — that has a 
 position. 
 
 Just position:relative; is enough for the positioning context element. 
 Without a positioning context you are effectively positioning relative to the 
 body element. All of this is of course Elementary CSS Layout.


http://css-discuss.incutio.com/wiki/Absolute_Layouts

:-)
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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread John


On 3/17/14 12:35 AM, MiB wrote:

Absolute positioning is relative to the nearest Positioning context. That is the first 
parent — going inside out from the current element — that has a position.


In my current page, the parent to the item that misbehaves in FF does 
have position:relative


Shouldn't this be enough information for all browsers to render the 
children with position:absolute;top:x;right/left:x;  correctly?
So, I don't get why FF is doing something different with that 
information compared to the other browsers.


Thank you,

John
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Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?

2014-03-17 Thread Crest Christopher
I changed my font-size to pixels, yet the fonts still look smaller in 
FireFox then Chrome or IE (site 
http://www.thecreativesheep.ca/webdesignprojects/largeprojects/cs_site.html), 
probably something else wrong ?


Why is the CSS Mailing List sending me a digest instead of individual 
messages as I originally set it up to ?


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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread Tom Livingston
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:40 AM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote:

 On 3/17/14 12:35 AM, MiB wrote:

 Absolute positioning is relative to the nearest Positioning context. That
 is the first parent — going inside out from the current element — that has a
 position.


 In my current page, the parent to the item that misbehaves in FF does have
 position:relative

 Shouldn't this be enough information for all browsers to render the children
 with position:absolute;top:x;right/left:x;  correctly?
 So, I don't get why FF is doing something different with that information
 compared to the other browsers.

 Thank you,

 John



One thing that may be happening is that you are spacing the icons with
ems, which is tied to font sizing. The math involved with the spacing
of the elements in #social is tight enough where browser font
rendering differences may be playing a part. Spacing those elements
with px (you can use px more safely here because they are imgs) may
bring results that are more similar.

This is just my gut feeling here. No science to back it up.

HTH

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Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?

2014-03-17 Thread Tom Livingston
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com wrote:
 I changed my font-size to pixels, yet the fonts still look smaller in
 FireFox then Chrome or IE (site
 http://www.thecreativesheep.ca/webdesignprojects/largeprojects/cs_site.html),
 probably something else wrong ?

 Why is the CSS Mailing List sending me a digest instead of individual
 messages as I originally set it up to ?



Although in Chrome I see a serif font - most likely a default setting
for me - the sizes are the same between Latest FF Aurora and latest
released Chrome on my Mac.

Just a wild guess here, but might you have used FF's font scaling UI
(View  Zoom  Scale Text Only) - scaled things down - and maybe left
it down?


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Re: [css-d] ie/11

2014-03-17 Thread David Laakso
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:15 PM, David Laakso laakso.davi...@gmail.com wrote:
 In the footer ie/11 is chopping-off the crossbar of the numerical
 digit 4. What to do?

Thanks to all who replied both on and off-list.

Re-set css for the containing blocks and re-set the generated content.
letter-spacing to .175em. The footer proper needs more work in all
browsers: but, at least, the revised letter-spacing seems to resolve
the specific clipping issue I wrote about in IE/11.

html
http://ccstudi.com/


Best,

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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread John

On 3/17/14 5:56 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:

One thing that may be happening is that you are spacing the icons with
ems, which is tied to font sizing. The math involved with the spacing
of the elements in #social is tight enough where browser font
rendering differences may be playing a part. Spacing those elements
with px (you can use px more safely here because they are imgs) may
bring results that are more similar.


Thanks, Tom..I will address that... But I'm seeing that in FireFox, down 
below, 2 chunks: Hours Monday-Saturday: Sunday:  and 10am-6pm Closed 
don't have the same positioning as they do in Safari, Chrome and 
Opera..which baffles me, if they are using the same origin point 
relative to top and left, why should Firefox show those 2 text hunks in 
different positions from the other browsers?


Thank you!

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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread Tom Livingston
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:09 AM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote:
 On 3/17/14 5:56 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:

 One thing that may be happening is that you are spacing the icons with
 ems, which is tied to font sizing. The math involved with the spacing
 of the elements in #social is tight enough where browser font
 rendering differences may be playing a part. Spacing those elements
 with px (you can use px more safely here because they are imgs) may
 bring results that are more similar.


 Thanks, Tom..I will address that... But I'm seeing that in FireFox, down
 below, 2 chunks: Hours Monday-Saturday: Sunday:  and 10am-6pm Closed
 don't have the same positioning as they do in Safari, Chrome and
 Opera..which baffles me, if they are using the same origin point relative to
 top and left, why should Firefox show those 2 text hunks in different
 positions from the other browsers?

 Thank you!




This link to a screen shot is Chrome on top and FF Aurora behind:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2616576/Screen%20Shot%202014-03-17%20at%2010.12.56%20AM.png

HTH

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Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?

2014-03-17 Thread Crest Christopher
Hi, Tom. You are seeing no difference in Font Sizes between browsers, 
hrmm odd.  I don't have Scale Text Only enabled within FireFox (27.0.1).


Tom Livingston wrote:

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com  wrote:

I changed my font-size to pixels, yet the fonts still look smaller in
FireFox then Chrome or IE (site
http://www.thecreativesheep.ca/webdesignprojects/largeprojects/cs_site.html),
probably something else wrong ?

Why is the CSS Mailing List sending me a digest instead of individual
messages as I originally set it up to ?




Although in Chrome I see a serif font - most likely a default setting
for me - the sizes are the same between Latest FF Aurora and latest
released Chrome on my Mac.

Just a wild guess here, but might you have used FF's font scaling UI
(View  Zoom  Scale Text Only) - scaled things down - and maybe left
it down?



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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread John


On 3/17/14 7:19 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:

This link to a screen shot is Chrome on top and FF Aurora behind:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2616576/Screen%20Shot%202014-03-17%20at%2010.12.56%20AM.png

HTH



Yes, that is about what I am seeing. *Why* the discrepancy?
What is the cause of this difference in Firefox, as opposed to how 
Chrome, Opera and Safari show that exact same part?


Thank you!

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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread Tom Livingston
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:22 AM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote:

 On 3/17/14 7:19 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:

 This link to a screen shot is Chrome on top and FF Aurora behind:

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2616576/Screen%20Shot%202014-03-17%20at%2010.12.56%20AM.png

 HTH



 Yes, that is about what I am seeing. *Why* the discrepancy?
 What is the cause of this difference in Firefox, as opposed to how Chrome,
 Opera and Safari show that exact same part?

 Thank you!

 John

Sorry. I'm not sure what the discrepancy is. They look pretty similar to me.

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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread John


On 3/17/14 7:24 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:

Sorry. I'm not sure what the discrepancy is. They look pretty similar to me.
your screengrab shows them closer than my FF version, but why should 
there BE a discrep?


Or better, am I using the wrong method to get those text bits to line up 
as I want them to?


I reached out for inline-block and position: absolute to avoid the 
snarkyness of using float and clear but it seems *much* trickier by 
quite a bit.


I am hoping it is learning  pains.

Thanks!

John
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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread Tom Livingston
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:29 AM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote:

 On 3/17/14 7:24 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:

 Sorry. I'm not sure what the discrepancy is. They look pretty similar to
 me.

 your screengrab shows them closer than my FF version, but why should there
 BE a discrep?

 Or better, am I using the wrong method to get those text bits to line up as
 I want them to?

 I reached out for inline-block and position: absolute to avoid the
 snarkyness of using float and clear but it seems *much* trickier by quite a
 bit.

 I am hoping it is learning  pains.

 Thanks!

 John

I personally would have gone with floats. I've gotten used to it so
I'm comfortable with it. Make your columns separate divs, float them
and make sure the math works for all widths. I usually don't fit
things 100%. Leave some wiggle room for the child elements.


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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Rockwell
I see the same thing as in the screenshot Tom posted.

I would recommend re-thinking how you execute your layout.  Absolute and
relative positioning are completely unnecessary in this case, and you're
only setting yourself up for more 'top: this' and 'left:this' when you want
to make this responsive.  In addition, you're using position:relative on at
least one element and then 'positioning' it with margin-top whereas on
another element in the same group, you're using 'top'.  It's just a bit
messy.

Chris


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:29 AM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote:
 
  On 3/17/14 7:24 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:
 
  Sorry. I'm not sure what the discrepancy is. They look pretty similar to
  me.
 
  your screengrab shows them closer than my FF version, but why should
 there
  BE a discrep?
 
  Or better, am I using the wrong method to get those text bits to line up
 as
  I want them to?
 
  I reached out for inline-block and position: absolute to avoid the
  snarkyness of using float and clear but it seems *much* trickier by
 quite a
  bit.
 
  I am hoping it is learning  pains.
 
  Thanks!
 
  John

 I personally would have gone with floats. I've gotten used to it so
 I'm comfortable with it. Make your columns separate divs, float them
 and make sure the math works for all widths. I usually don't fit
 things 100%. Leave some wiggle room for the child elements.


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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread John


On 3/17/14 8:14 AM, Chris Rockwell wrote:

I would recommend re-thinking how you execute your layout.  Absolute and
relative positioning are completely unnecessary in this case, and you're
only setting yourself up for more 'top: this' and 'left:this' when you want
to make this responsive.  In addition, you're using position:relative on at
least one element and then 'positioning' it with margin-top whereas on
another element in the same group, you're using 'top'.  It's just a bit
messy.
OK..how far up should I go in this re-execution? just the footer area 
that's being snarky for me, or the whole entire layout?


I've poured a delirious amount of time into this method of positioning 
on the strength of the idea that it avoided problems of the float left 
float right clear both method.


Perhaps its time spent learning..something..but I don't have any more 
time to squander on experiments...I sure don't need even more problems 
when it's time to make this buzzard responsive


THanks for you input
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Re: [css-d] Subject: Font Size Small in FireFox ?

2014-03-17 Thread David Hucklesby

On 3/17/14, 7:21 AM, Crest Christopher wrote:

Hi, Tom. You are seeing no difference in Font Sizes between browsers, hrmm
odd. I don't have Scale Text Only enabled within FireFox (27.0.1).

Tom Livingston wrote:

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Crest Christopher
crestchristop...@gmail.com  wrote:

I changed my font-size to pixels, yet the fonts still look smaller in
FireFox then Chrome or IE (site
http://www.thecreativesheep.ca/webdesignprojects/largeprojects/cs_site.html),

probably something else wrong ?





[...]



Just a wild guess here, but might you have used FF's font scaling UI (View
Zoom  Scale Text Only) - scaled things down - and maybe left it down?




Another possibility - your Firefox browser is using a different font than your
other browsers? As you have not defined a font-face in your CSS, browsers will
use the one defined in the browser’s settings. There are noticeable differences
in sizes between fonts.

Suggestion: Try defining a font-face in your CSS. (One that exists on your
computer, that is.)
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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Rockwell
This is a shell mock-up with *a lot* less CSS.  Granted, I've only looked
at it in Chrome but this should get you started.  I cleaned up the markup a
bit, namely what you were using to markup the menu that contained About,
Women's, etc. - use nested ul's :).

http://codepen.io/chrisrockwell/pen/gFsiH/

Pay no attention to the seemingly arbitrary class names and ID's - I use
snappy snippet to take it from the inspector to codepen and it does that.

Again, this should get you on your way to something *much* cleaner, more
maintainable, and easily adaptable to narrower devices via media queries.
 Good luck!


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote:


 On 3/17/14 8:14 AM, Chris Rockwell wrote:

 I would recommend re-thinking how you execute your layout.  Absolute and
 relative positioning are completely unnecessary in this case, and you're
 only setting yourself up for more 'top: this' and 'left:this' when you
 want
 to make this responsive.  In addition, you're using position:relative on
 at
 least one element and then 'positioning' it with margin-top whereas on
 another element in the same group, you're using 'top'.  It's just a bit
 messy.

 OK..how far up should I go in this re-execution? just the footer area
 that's being snarky for me, or the whole entire layout?

 I've poured a delirious amount of time into this method of positioning on
 the strength of the idea that it avoided problems of the float left float
 right clear both method.

 Perhaps its time spent learning..something..but I don't have any more time
 to squander on experiments...I sure don't need even more problems when it's
 time to make this buzzard responsive

 THanks for you input

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Re: [css-d] display:inline-block differences in browsers

2014-03-17 Thread John


On 3/17/14 9:20 AM, Chris Rockwell wrote:

http://codepen.io/chrisrockwell/pen/gFsiH/

Pay no attention to the seemingly arbitrary class names and ID's - I use
snappy snippet to take it from the inspector to codepen and it does that.

Again, this should get you on your way to something*much*



Thank you, Chris;

I was aware that both my css and markup were a couple of rats' 
nests...getting harder and harder to look at my own code..perhaps that's 
a signal that the approach in question ain't so greatI appreciate 
your offering another way of how to attack this situation.
I'm going to try to complete this page, responsive and make one other 
from it, today.


John
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[css-d] Responstable SCSS

2014-03-17 Thread SSC_perl
I'm trying to implement this responsive table on my site:

http://codepen.io/sharifh/pen/imojf

It works fine in the Safari browser on my Mac when resizing the window, 
but it doesn't work on the iPhone - the table remains normal.

I'm thinking that my problem is the SCSS.  I converted it into CSS on 
some web site (sorry, don't remember which one now) and maybe the conversion 
wasn't 100% successful.

How can I convert the SCSS into proper CSS?

Thanks,
Frank

http://www.surfshopcart.com/
Setting up shop has never been easier!

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Re: [css-d] Responstable SCSS

2014-03-17 Thread SSC_perl
Just in case it makes any difference, here's the CSS I was given by 
that site:

.responstable {
  margin: 1em 0;
  width: 100%;
  background: white;
  color: #024457;
  border-radius: 10px;
  border: 1px solid #167f92;
  overflow: hidden;
}
.responstable tr {
  border-top: 1px solid #167f92;
  border-bottom: 1px solid #167f92;
}
.responstable tr:nth-child(odd) {
  background-color: #eaf3f3;
}
.responstable th {
  display: none;
  border: 1px solid white;
  background-color: #167f92;
  color: white;
}
.responstable td {
  display: block;
}
.responstable td:first-child {
  padding-top: .5em;
}
.responstable td:last-child {
  padding-bottom: .5em;
}
.responstable td:before {
  content: attr(data-th) : ;
  font-weight: bold;
  width: 8em;
  display: inline-block;
}
@media (min-width: 480px) {
  .responstable td:before {
display: none;
  }
}
@media (min-width: 480px) {
  .responstable td {
border: 1px solid #d9e4e6;
  }
}
.responstable th, .responstable td {
  text-align: left;
  margin: .5em 1em;
}
@media (min-width: 480px) {
  .responstable th, .responstable td {
display: table-cell;
padding: 1em;
  }
  .responstable th:first-child, .responstable td:first-child {
text-align: center;
  }
}

body {
  padding: 0 2em;
  font-family: Arial, sans-serif;
  color: #024457;
  background: #f2f2f2;
}

h1 {
  font-family: Verdana;
  font-weight: normal;
  color: #024457;
}
h1 span {
  color: #167F92;
}
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Re: [css-d] Responstable SCSS

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Rockwell
Just click on (SCSS) next to CSS and it will show you the compiled code


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM, SSC_perl p...@surfshopcart.com wrote:

 Just in case it makes any difference, here's the CSS I was given
 by that site:

 .responstable {
   margin: 1em 0;
   width: 100%;
   background: white;
   color: #024457;
   border-radius: 10px;
   border: 1px solid #167f92;
   overflow: hidden;
 }
 .responstable tr {
   border-top: 1px solid #167f92;
   border-bottom: 1px solid #167f92;
 }
 .responstable tr:nth-child(odd) {
   background-color: #eaf3f3;
 }
 .responstable th {
   display: none;
   border: 1px solid white;
   background-color: #167f92;
   color: white;
 }
 .responstable td {
   display: block;
 }
 .responstable td:first-child {
   padding-top: .5em;
 }
 .responstable td:last-child {
   padding-bottom: .5em;
 }
 .responstable td:before {
   content: attr(data-th) : ;
   font-weight: bold;
   width: 8em;
   display: inline-block;
 }
 @media (min-width: 480px) {
   .responstable td:before {
 display: none;
   }
 }
 @media (min-width: 480px) {
   .responstable td {
 border: 1px solid #d9e4e6;
   }
 }
 .responstable th, .responstable td {
   text-align: left;
   margin: .5em 1em;
 }
 @media (min-width: 480px) {
   .responstable th, .responstable td {
 display: table-cell;
 padding: 1em;
   }
   .responstable th:first-child, .responstable td:first-child {
 text-align: center;
   }
 }

 body {
   padding: 0 2em;
   font-family: Arial, sans-serif;
   color: #024457;
   background: #f2f2f2;
 }

 h1 {
   font-family: Verdana;
   font-weight: normal;
   color: #024457;
 }
 h1 span {
   color: #167F92;
 }
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Re: [css-d] Responstable SCSS

2014-03-17 Thread Tom Livingston
The pen is working on my iPhone

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 17, 2014, at 1:54 PM, SSC_perl p...@surfshopcart.com wrote:
 
I'm trying to implement this responsive table on my site:
 
 http://codepen.io/sharifh/pen/imojf
 
It works fine in the Safari browser on my Mac when resizing the window, 
 but it doesn't work on the iPhone - the table remains normal.
 
I'm thinking that my problem is the SCSS.  I converted it into CSS on some 
 web site (sorry, don't remember which one now) and maybe the conversion 
 wasn't 100% successful.
 
How can I convert the SCSS into proper CSS?
 
 Thanks,
 Frank
 
 http://www.surfshopcart.com/
 Setting up shop has never been easier!
 
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2014-03-17 Thread Nastya Golubih

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Re: [css-d] Responstable SCSS

2014-03-17 Thread SSC_perl
On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Chris Rockwell wrote:
 Just click on (SCSS) next to CSS and it will show you the compiled code


Well that was embarrassingly simple. :| 

I compared the converted CSS that I had before to the converted CSS 
from CodePen and they are the same, so it must be a different problem I'm 
having.

If I go to that CodePen page on my iPhone, it works for me, but when I 
copy and paste the code to my site, it doesn't work.  Here's a link to my page:

http://www.surfshopcart.com/responstable.html

There doesn't appear to be any JS involved, so what could I be missing? 

Thanks again,
Frank

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Setting up shop has never been easier!

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Re: [css-d] Responstable SCSS

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Rockwell
Try adding this to your head tag:

meta name=viewport content=width=device-width, initial-scale=1


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:28 PM, SSC_perl p...@surfshopcart.com wrote:

 On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Chris Rockwell wrote:
  Just click on (SCSS) next to CSS and it will show you the compiled code


 Well that was embarrassingly simple. :|

 I compared the converted CSS that I had before to the converted
 CSS from CodePen and they are the same, so it must be a different problem
 I'm having.

 If I go to that CodePen page on my iPhone, it works for me, but
 when I copy and paste the code to my site, it doesn't work.  Here's a link
 to my page:

 http://www.surfshopcart.com/responstable.html

 There doesn't appear to be any JS involved, so what could I be
 missing?

 Thanks again,
 Frank

 http://www.surfshopcart.com/
 Setting up shop has never been easier!

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Re: [css-d] Responstable SCSS

2014-03-17 Thread SSC_perl
On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Chris Rockwell wrote:
 meta name=viewport content=width=device-width, initial-scale=1


That was it!  Thanks, Chris!  The table now changes depending on the 
phone's orientation.  Very nice!

I almost hate to ask this, but would it be possible for someone to test 
my page on an Android phone to make sure it works?  Unfortunately, everyone I 
know has an iPhone.

http://www.surfshopcart.com/responstable.html

Thanks again.  I really appreciate this list and everyone's help.

Frank

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Re: [css-d] Responstable SCSS

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Rockwell
Looks good to me on Galaxy S3 (Android 4.3) Chrome


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:21 PM, SSC_perl p...@surfshopcart.com wrote:

 On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Chris Rockwell wrote:
  meta name=viewport content=width=device-width, initial-scale=1


 That was it!  Thanks, Chris!  The table now changes depending on
 the phone's orientation.  Very nice!

 I almost hate to ask this, but would it be possible for someone to
 test my page on an Android phone to make sure it works?  Unfortunately,
 everyone I know has an iPhone.

 http://www.surfshopcart.com/responstable.html

 Thanks again.  I really appreciate this list and everyone's help.

 Frank

 http://www.surfshopcart.com/
 Setting up shop has never been easier!

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