[CTRL] Fwd: Deepak Chakra
-Caveat Lector- Harry Meeker wrote: Dear Alton, Thank you for such a wonderful gift filled knowledge and wisdom. Harry Alton Kanter wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Alton Kanter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Deepak Chopra Wisdom Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Dear Sisters and Brothers, this just came thru to me. It seems quite provocative of an extended discussion of several possibilities: 1. an analysis of Deepak Chopra's teachings/writings in general 2. His call here for a new theory of reality 3. the nature of our ability to "create" 4. what exactly is "healing" and being a "healer" ? 5. you add to the list and let's start? One More Reality To Go, by Deepak Chopra, January, 1999 We've spent the past millennium unraveling the mysteries of science. Now let's open the window to miracles and inner space. All around us, an infinite new reality is peering through the cracks of our rigid, bounded conception of the known. If our future is going to be more than just a repetition of the past, we will have to leave the known behind and discover a region of reality not yet explored--the realm of the impossible. Consider this experience of a friend of mine. He pulled the ligaments in his right foot during a workout. Hobbling and in constant pain, he went to an orthopedist, only to be told that surgery might be in the offing. He was reluctant to have an operation and waited, hoping the condition would improve on its own. When it didn't, he decided on impulse to visit a Chinese healer. The healer looked at the injured foot and touched it lightly. Then he walked behind my friend's back and made a line of Xs in the air, up and down his spine. "Try to walk now," he said. My friend got up and, to his astonishment, walked around the room free of pain. He asked the healer what he'd done. "Your body is a projection of your mind, a pattern of energy held together by your awareness. When you are aware that it is well, you hold your body together in a healthy state. But pain caused your awareness to withdraw from your body. You no longer held the right image, so I adjusted it for you." My friend shook his head. "But all you did was move your hands in the air," he protested. "No, I was shifting your energy," the Chinese healer corrected. "Certain channels were closed that needed to be open--very simple." The most remarkable aspect of this healing experience is that my friend did not sense that his entire life had been changed for the better. Although he was pleased that his foot was healed, at first he had no understanding of the key to the mystery of this "very simple" procedure. The power exercised by the healer operated from a level deeper than my friend--most people--can access. When I pointed this out, my friend suddenly remembered something important he'd overlooked. "The healer told me that anyone can learn to do the same kind of work," he said, "but the first step is giving up the idea that it is impossible." I can cite books filled with nuggets of the unknown--the impossible--that are pure gold: eyewitness accounts of psychokinesis, telepathy, miracle cures, premonitions that came true, prayers that were answered, people seen in two locations at once, holy figures who emanated light from their bodies and angels encountered by the roadside on rainy nights. How do we explain the documented experience of an Italian military officer in the Sixties, his hip totally dissolved with cancer, who visited the shrine at Lourdes and grew a new hip in a matter of months! And what about the dying lymphoma patient in the Fifties who was injected with saline solution as a placebo and, because he believed the injection was powerful chemotherapy, had every trace of cancer vanish from his body in a matter of days--the tumors "melting like snowballs on a hot stove," as one commentator described it. Are these not impossible" achievements? Writing about the "rare but spectacular phenomenon of spontaneous remission," the renowned physician-essayist Lewis Thomas declares, "No one has the ghost of an idea how it happens. It is a fascinating mystery but at the same time a solid basis for hope in the future." On the eve of the first millennium, the greatest event in history--the end of the world--was predicted. It failed to happen. Now, on the eve of the year 2000, the greatest event in our history is within reach: the final explanation of the material universe--creation, time, space, the origin of DNA and the physical dimensions beyond the four we have already mapped. It is the realization of the so-called Theory of Everything, or TOE. Stephen Hawking foresaw it as knowing the mind of God, or, in non-religious terms, coming to grips with a universe that
Re: [CTRL] Nazi Leader Biographies - Includes Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, Rvhm, Gvring, Speer, and more...
-Caveat Lector- Will someone that is a member please send me Hitler's Bio. I am not paying to get on a web site. Thank You Laura I recommend Bullock's biography of Hitler, and Deutsch's of Stalin. Both are excellently referenced, and standard works. They *should* both still be in print. Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Washington DC on Terror Alert for Friday
-Caveat Lector- Security High for NATO's 50th By DAVID BRISCOE .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- The city that made its way through the Million Man March, massive civil rights and anti-war protests and quadrennial inaugurations is taking unprecedented steps to protect an event that will attract few spectators -- largely because those who come will be stopped at the barricades. Bomb squads, SWAT teams and other federal and local police units and personnel are throwing a smothering security blanket over America's capital beginning Friday to protect leaders of about 40 countries meeting for NATO's 50th anniversary. The cloak of protection, intensified because of the NATO bombing campaign, includes the first-ever closing of several Smithsonian museums for security reasons. Police are virtually shutting down more than two dozen blocks in the busy heart of the city. Yet organizers continue to scale back public aspects of the gathering, turning it solely toward serious business topped by talk on NATO's conflict with Yugoslavia. Bleachers just set up for a major outdoor ceremony were being dismantled Monday after leaders decided to meet on Kosovo Friday morning instead of holding a public ceremony and parade. Strategy sessions and security drills began six months ago to prepare for anything from drive-by shootings or truck bombing to nuclear or biological terrorism. ``We are the No. 1 target in the world,'' said Jim Rice, FBI special agent for terrorism. ``But we have home-field advantage. We know the streets. We know the skyline. If something is out of place, we know it.'' Altogether, 17 agencies are involved, including riot police and hazardous chemical units, plus security details for each world leader. ``All are prepared to respond to an emergency,'' said Secret Service Special Agent Jim Mackin. ``Our goal in planning was to prevent them from having to do that.'' The war in Kosovo and U.S. and British skirmishes with Iraq add to potential security problems. But so far neither action has brought a specific threat -- at least not one made public. ``I don't want to jinx anything, but the threats we have today are the same ones we had yesterday and the day before,'' Rice said. ``We are prepared.'' Traffic will be banned from several blocks surrounding the sprawling new Ronald Reagan Building downtown, where the leaders will meet. Closer in, even pedestrians will be restricted. Nine downtown Smithsonian museums were set to close Friday. Museum officials agreed to the unprecedented shutdown after NATO organizers demanded that nonessential government workers in a nearly 100-block security zone stay home to sharply reduce the number of people in the area. The zone includes much of the National Mall. The three most popular museums will remain open -- Air and Space, Natural History and American History -- and all museums will be open Saturday and Sunday. They usually close only on Christmas. ``We got pressure not to bring any of our people in,'' said Smithsonian spokesman David J. Umansky. ``But we have a responsibility to the American people,'' who expect the free museums to be open. Eight busy downtown streets and a major subway stop next to the NATO meeting site will be closed for the three-day event. And all city schools will close Friday, including those miles from the summit. ``If I were a terrorist, this is the last town I would hit,'' said Frank Cilluffo, global crime expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Nevertheless, the summit provides a tempting target ``for those interested in showcasing something to the world.'' The principal terrorist threat is from truck bombs, which is what much of the physical security around Washington is designed to stop, noted Brian Michael Jenkins, a California-based terrorism analyst. But, he said, ``Can those measures prevent some individual or ad hoc conspiracy or terrorist group on behalf of a multitude of causes from setting a bomb somewhere in the city? Absolutely not.'' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
[CTRL] Serbs Unlikely To Have Nuclear Arms
-Caveat Lector- Uh, thanks for bringing up the subject, in the same breath as "Trust me" ... Serbs Unlikely To Have Nuclear Arms By SUSAN LADIKA .c The Associated Press VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- An international nuclear watchdog agency today dismissed reports that Yugoslavia might attempt to produce nuclear weapons and said the only danger might be posed if NATO bombs inadvertently struck a nuclear research facility. NATO forces are aware of the Vinca Institute of Nuclear Science, located about 10 miles from the Yugoslav capital of Belgrade, said David Kyd, spokesman for the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency. ``The risk of Yugoslavia misusing this material is low. The higher risk is that a stray missile might go in this direction,'' Kyd said. The 6.5-megawatt, Soviet-designed research reactor has about 130 pounds of highly enriched uranium, including 5,000 uranium fuel rods stored in 30 drums in a pond on the site, along with fresh fuel, he said. Officials from the Institute for Science and International Security, an arms control research group in Washington, were quoted in recent newspaper reports as saying there was enough material at the facility to make nuclear weapons. ``I can't imagine in my wildest dreams what they would do with this,'' Kyd said. Producing nuclear weapons could pose a danger to the Yugoslavs themselves, and could provoke retaliation, he explained. IAEA inspectors normally visit the Vinca facility each month. But no inspection has been conducted since late January because of security risks in Yugoslavia. If the agency feared the nuclear materials were being misused, it could request special permission to visit the site. But the country has always complied with its nuclear obligations, Kyd said. ``I'm pretty confident we'd find everything as it should be'' if the IAEA did an inspection, he said. The Yugoslav government has stressed that no NATO airstrikes hit the facility, which is located in a sparsely populated area. ``No one in their right mind'' would deliberately target the facility, Kyd said. The possibility remains that a bomb could go astray, but it is impossible to predict the environmental damage it could do. ``You can't make a back-of-the-envelope calculation,'' he said, because everything would be contingent on factors such as the strength of the weapon and whether the facility took a direct hit. An indirect hit could cause local contamination and radiation could seep into the groundwater, he said. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- Had Edision had his way, we would have been on the DC system with step-up generators every 5-6 miles, throughout the country. Thank God for the vision of George Westinghouse, who fully supported Tesla and his 60 cycle AC power generation. and: Edison and Tesla had a falling out; Edison was a humanitarian.Tesla and Westinghouse hand in hand, produced the first Electric Chair...this resulted in Edison calling in the Westinghouse Chair no, Edison invented the electric chair (which uses alternating current) as a method of execution to demonstrate that AC was "far more dangerous" than DC. Y'see, because Tesla had the patents for the induction motors and generators you need to make cheap AC, Edison couldn't get his snout in the trough that Westinghouse (Tesla's employer) was gobbling from. Because AC is cheaper to produce and distribute, it was cheaper to the customer and therefore more commercially successful. So Edison tried to get it banned on safety grounds (broadly equivalent, in logical terms, to getting north-bound roads banned as inherently less safe than south-bound roads)... Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Please Use PEACE TARGET Logos
-Caveat Lector- Universal peace is a fiction and a ploy of Satan in these last days. Revelations talks about armageddon and not peace. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: EMERGENCY MOBILIZATION TO STOP THE WAR - NATIONAL MARCH ON THE PENTAGON - JUNE 5, 1999]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: EMERGENCY MOBILIZATION TO STOP THE WAR - NATIONAL MARCH ON THE PENTAGON - JUNE 5, 1999 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:12:09 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Activist Mailing List To: Activist Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Activist Mailing List - http://get.to/activist INTRO NOTE: Via [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've received the following call from [EMAIL PROTECTED] which I'm forwarding here. From: "iacenter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:March on the Pentagon--June 5 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:18:49 -0500 ENDORSE THE CALL TO ACTION! EMERGENCY MOBILIZATION TO STOP THE WAR NATIONAL MARCH ON THE PENTAGON JUNE 5, 1999 Add your name or your organization to the growing list of endorsers for the Emergency Mobilization to End the War National March on the Pentagon June 5, 1999 by clicking on the link below and filling in the on line form (or fill out the coupon below)! http://home.earthlink.net/~npcboston/jun5end.htm CALL TO ACTION EMERGENCY MOBILIZATION TO STOP THE WAR NATIONAL MARCH ON THE PENTAGON, JUNE 5, 1999 U.S./NATO bombs and cruise missiles are raining down on Bel- grade, Pristina, Novi Sad and other cities, towns and villages in Yugoslavia, falling on Serbs, Albanians, Hungarians, Romanis and Montenegrins alike. In the name of "peace," NATO has killed thousands and destroyed hospitals, homes, schools, universities, bridges, power and water treatment plants, factories, and more. In the name of "protecting human rights," the launching of the air war has triggered a refugee crisis displacing hundreds of thousands of people. Now, as the bombing and its terrible toll escalate, the threat of a U.S. invasion of Yugoslavia looms. A ground war will mean the deployment of hundreds of thousands of troops. Now is the time to act! We are urging you to join us in the new- ly formed Emergency Mobilization to Stop the War. Hundreds of thousands of us marched against the U.S. war on Iraq in 1990-91. We have continued to work against the sanctions that have killed more than 1.5 million civilians in that country. Now, the Pen- tagon is embarked upon another bloody intervention, in violation of all international law, and against the interests of the people of the Balkans and the people of this country as well. The Emergency Mobilization to Stop the War is planning major activities to mobilize hundreds of thousands of people who will say in a loud and clear voice: "Stop the bombing! Stop the war! Bring the troops, ships and planes home now! Money for jobs, healthcare and education, not for war!" On Saturday, June 5, there will be a mass march from the Vietnam Veterans Memorial to the steps of the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. April 17 will be an International Day of Protest, with demonstrations taking place in at least 100 cities across the country and around the world. Yugoslavia is the fourth country -- along with Iraq, Afghanistan and the Sudan -- bombed by U.S. military forces in the past eight months. Now we are at the edge of an even wider and more destructive war. We must act urgently to build a broad and deep movement that says "NO" to this madness. Join and endorse the Emergency Mobilization today. Circulate this appeal to your co- workers, neighbors, campus, church, mosque, synagogue, union and community. Emergency Mobilization to Stop the War Initial Endorsers (list in formation): Ramsey Clark Bishop Thomas Gumbleton Rev. Lucius Walker, Jr., Exe. Dir., IFCO/Pastors for Peace Edith Villastrigo, Leg. Dir., Women Strike for Peace Rev. Djokan Majstorovic, Serbian Orthodox Cathedral of St. Sava, NYC Michael Parenti, Author Geronimo ji Jaga Pratt Brian Becker, Sara Flounders International Action Center Manning Marable Catholic Worker Nadja Tesich, Author Barry Lituchy Covert Action Quarterly Leonore Foerstel, Women for Mutual Security Center for Peace in the Balkans, Toronto, Canada Haiti Support Network/Haiti Progres Frank Velgara, Working Group on Puerto Rico/FS Hellenic American Peace Committee Larry Holmes, Workfairness Jeremy Scahill, Pacifica Radio Iman El-Sayed, College Voice, College of Staten Island John Ranz, Pres., Survivors of Buchenwald, USA Heather Cottin, Jewish-Serbian Friendship Committee William Blum, Author, Killing Hope Karen Talbot, International Center for Peace and Justice David Sole, Pres. UAW Local 2334 Greek Americans for Action Gloria La Riva, Int'l Peace for Cuba Assn. Of Greek Resistance Fighters, 1941-1945 Alan Dale, Emergency Comm. Against US Intervention in Yugoslavia*, MN Women in Black Hector Rivera, Welfare Poets Kadouri Al-Kaysi, Comm. in Support of the Iraqi People Leslie Feinberg, Author Carlos Rovira, Latinos for Mumia Ohio Citizen's Action Prof. Dan Georgakas, Queens College Trudy Rudnick, AFT, Local 3882 Westsiders Against War, NYC Rev David Olson, Community Church of Boston*
Re: [CTRL] 'Waco' Producer: WACO Lesson unlearned (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- To anyone who has seen "Terms of Engagement" i strongly recommend it as one of the best documentary's i've ever seen. For what it's worth a few comments on Waco: Waco was not about religion, it was about non conformity. Branch Davidians were non conformist in terms of their religion. Nevertheless, the issue seems to be that modern western society is unable to deal with individuals who are different or espouse unconventional beliefs, whether religious, political or social. Any comments welcome. Paul At 06:37 20/04/99 -0400, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 5:18 AM Subject: 'Waco' Producer: Lesson unlearned (fwd) = WorldNetDaily.com (APRIL 20, 1999) = 'Waco' producer: Lesson unlearned Public remains ambivalent after six years By Jon E. Dougherty (c) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com When producer Dan Gifford was making his documentary film, "Waco: The Rules of Engagement," two things never entered his mind. First, he didn't know the film -- hailed as one of the most complete documentaries of the April 19, 1993, incident -- would ever be nominated for an Academy Award. Second, he never thought the film would be met with such "bipartisan" ambivalence. Even now, six years after the incident, Gifford says the nation is no closer to understanding the causes and effects of what happened in Waco, and he believes that because of that lack of understanding it is likely such incidents will repeat themselves in the future. "Whether you're considered a left winger or a right winger, both sides share many of the same feelings about what happened there," Gifford said during an interview. "Both sides see the film as a major piece of propaganda, period." "People really haven't learned much of anything from it," he added. The Waco tragedy was sparked by an FBI-led assault on a religious group known as the Branch Davidians after a 51-day siege. David Koresh, who died in the ensuing firestorm that engulfed the entire community, headed the group, numbering 83 men, women and children. After the assault, many people asserted that the government intentionally planned, then botched, the raid on the Davidians, then attacked and killed them to cover up their initial mistake. Gifford was sufficiently curious by the accusations, so he set out to discover exactly what happened for himself. "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" was the result of his efforts, in which he concluded after making the film that the government attack theory was indeed correct. "The government set up to murder these people, no question about it," Gifford said. He compared it to ancient times, "when the Romans would follow believers of Jesus into the desert and kill them after they gathered to hear the prophecy." "Quite simply today, as it was then, most Americans seem frightened of people who espouse deep religious beliefs and convictions," he said. "In short, if you believe wholeheartedly in God, you're a crazy who 'ought to be killed,' according to many people who have spoken to me about the film." Gifford says the media and the government are largely responsible for that attitude, purposefully creating a daunting stereotype of Christians and practitioners of Judaism. "I'm not a church-goer myself," he said, "but I see this truth nonetheless." The film, which was edited for viewing on HBO, depicts never-before-seen videotaped accounts of what Gifford said were U.S. and British military special forces personnel "invited by the federal government to 'observe'" the handling of the situation. It also contains videotape shot by Davidians
[CTRL] What Should I Destroy? Tractors?
-Caveat Lector- www.serbia-info.com/news F-16 pilot: What should I destroy? Tractors? April 19, 1999 Executed Albanian civilians Belgrade, April 18 (Tanjug)- Radio-TV Serbia (RTS) late Saturday ran a taped conversation between an AWACS crew and the F-16 pilot who last week targeted a column of ethnic-Albanian refugees, massacring 75 civilians. The conversation, which was followed by the massacre of refugees, went on as follows: F-16 pilot: Good day. Charlie here. I am on position 10. No movements below. Request information about red MIGs. AWACS: Charlie Bravo, Mother here. Patrol towards northwest, direction Prizren, Djakovica. No red MIGs in the air. F-16 pilot: O.K. I am going to 3,000 feet. AWACS: Mother to Charlie Bravo. You are getting a reinforcement in 10 minutes. There will be something interesting south of Djakovica. F-16 pilot: Charlie Bravo to Mother. I am coming out of the clouds. Still don't see anything. AWACS: Mother to Charlie Bravo. Keep on going north, course 280. F-16 pilot: Charlie Bravo to Mother. I maintain 3,000 feet. A column of cars, some tractors are below me. What is it? Request instructions. [INLINE] AWACS: Mother to Charlie Bravo. Do you see tanks? Repeat, where are tanks? F-16 pilot: Charlie Bravo to Mother. I see tractors. I hope Reds have not camouflaged tanks into tractors. AWACS: Mother to Charlie Bravo. What kind of a strange convoy? What civilians? Hell. It's all Serbian doing. Destroy the target! F-16 pilot: Charlie Bravo to Mother. What shall I destroy, tractors, ordinary cars? Repeat, I see no tanks. Request further instructions. AWACS: Mother to Charlie Bravo. It is a military target. Absolutely legitimate military target. Destroy the target! Repeat, destroy the target! F-16 pilot: Charlie Bravo to Mother. Understood. Launching! At the end of the conversation, the pilot code-named Charlie Bravo launched missiles which killed 75 ethnic-Albanian refugees. [INLINE] [ Home | Encyclopedia | FactsFigures | News ] Copyright © 1998, 1999 Ministry of Information Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Truth chokes on the fog of war]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Truth chokes on the fog of war Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:33:58 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Activist Mailing List To: Activist Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Activist Mailing List - http://get.to/activist http://www.the-times.co.uk/ The refugees Truth chokes on the fog of war by Tony Allen-Mills Tetovo, Macedonia AT THE Red Cross office near the Turkish bazaar in Tetovo, Kucu was struggling to get his story straight. The Serbian army had attacked Kotlina at 5am and driven all the young Albanian men out of the village, he said. They had watched in horror from the forest as the women and children were loaded into lorries and driven off towards Kacanik, 30 miles south of Pristina. Then the Serbs had burnt the village. That was not quite the version that Kucu's friend, Enes, related to a different Red Cross worker a few minutes later. The Serbs had herded the older Albanian men into the woods, Enes said. The younger men had run away. It was 5pm - not 5am - when the Serbs had burnt the village. Then the fugitive Albanians had walked through the night for 20 miles to the Macedonian border. They had crossed the Sar Planina mountains to register as refugees from the war that had destroyed their homes. It sounded a sadly familiar tale of Serbian mayhem, but a Red Cross volunteer exchanged a glance with a Macedonian interpreter. "These men don't look as though they have walked 20 miles," she said, staring pointedly at Kucu's spotless white running shoes. "They look as though they arrived by Mercedes." The unusually dapper would-be refugees were not the only sign last week that all is not what it seems in the latest western attempt to impose order on Balkan chaos. A conflict promoted in Washington, London and elsewhere as a crusade against a despot looks a lot more complicated to those who live within earshot of exploding Tomahawk missiles. To be sure, many of the refugees arriving from Kosovo had sinister stories to tell of Serbian barbarity. Some spoke of relatives murdered, of random executions and of groups of ethnic Albanians being led away at gunpoint. However, not everyone reaching Macedonia had encountered a genocidal Serb. Many had been scared from their homes not by Milosevic's marauding troops, but by the threat of Nato attacks. Others, like the well dressed Albanians, had motives that were hard to fathom through the centuries-old fog of Balkan intrigue and deceit. In Tetovo, there was speculation that the Kotlina Albanians had fallen foul of their own side. Reports reaching Skopje have suggested that the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), the underdog resistance unit of Albanian separatist guerrillas, is not always as heroic as it is sometimes portrayed. The KLA has been accused in the past of forcibly conscripting Kosovo Albanian men into its ranks. Serbian officials have accused it of attacking its own villages if local men refuse to join up. There were so many discrepancies in the stories of Kucu and his friends last week that Red Cross officials declared it impossible to know the truth about the supposed burning of Kotlina. The men might have been victims of Serbian aggression; they might have skipped town to avoid being drummed into KLA uniforms. These are the kind of Balkan conundrums that are rarely solved by B52 bombers. Nor was there much fodder for Nato propagandists among the 200 or so refugees waiting to register at a Skopje district police station early on Friday. Mirvei, a tall Albanian woman clutching her four-month-old baby, looked bewildered when asked if Serbian troops had driven her out. "There were no Serbs," she said. "We were frightened of the bombs." Hunched uncomfortably together on a kerb, an exhausted pair of elderly Albanian Kosovars puffed wearily on Turkish cigarettes as their Macedonian niece launched into a tirade - not against vicious Serbian oppression, but against the "cowardly" immigration policies of the West. Her 86-year-old uncle, Ajredien, and his wife, Celebija, 78, had a son and grandchildren living in America and other children in Holland, Switzerland and France. All four countries had refused the elderly couple visas. Resigned to their plight in Kosovo, they had abandoned their home in Gnjilane only when Nato bombs began to fall. By contrast, Shaban Latifi told the kind of story that last week encouraged Tony Blair to label Milosevic a "vile dictator". Latifi stumbled into the Tetovo Red Cross office on Friday and slumped on a step in the muddy garden. He was there for hours before the Albanian-Macedonian interpreter had time to listen to his story. Clutching a wooden walking stick and a blue sponge bag, Latifi, 76, related in a croaking voice how the Serbian army had swept through the village of Ajrodila, near Pristina. "In half an hour they killed 38 people," he said. His wife and four grown-up children were murdered. The Serbs spared Latifi,
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fw: End Arbitrary Access to the VotingBooth!]
-Caveat Lector- Scott Brown wrote: -Caveat Lector- Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/15/99 9:24:43 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: YIKES!!! Don't these laws apply to all the races? Instead of changing the laws, Blacks can avoid becoming criminal felons. Now there's a radical concept. Joshua2 I agree. Maybe here is something that will open a few eyes to the "justice" system. In 1986-87 I was called to jury duty. I was called to a case and the lawyers began to question us about the case, our opinions etc. The DA said he wanted me dismissed from the case because I was active duty military and not a permanent resident of Colorado Springs. This gave me a case of the ass because the guy sitting next to me was acceptable even though he was a convicted felon. Just another way that a military person is discriminated against while a criminal is given privileges. The ACLU is a shitty organization with a sinister agenda ... giving criminals the right to vote ... don't we have enough criminals in the State legislatures and Washington DC? When I went to the ACLU about discriminatory hiring practices at DIGITAL (now out of business) they were very rude ... they more or less said that a white male couldn't be a victim of discrimination, but then again they don't consider affirmative action as discriminatory. Regards, Bob Stokes Your logic is faulty, both of you. Well Bob Stokes' logic may be faulty, but mine is not. The reason there are disproportionate numbers of non-white people in jails and in prisons is because they are targeted, and in a large number of cases they are innocent. This is such bullshit. I don't know how many are innocent and neither do you? No one holds a gun to someone's head and makes them commit crimes. The criminals choose to rob, steal, burgle, sell drugs, and kill because it's easier than working for low pay. It's a good choice if they don't get busted or dead. It's a bad career move if they do. Generally speaking they are not too smart. This argument that criminals do not deserve the basic rights as everyone else is disgusting. Not at all. When they harm another human, they don't respect the rights of their victem to live peacefully and without fear. It's only just that they too loose their rights granted by the society at large if that's what the society wishes to do. First many that are convicted are innocent just as many who are executed are in fact innocent. Actually every one in prison is innocent. Just ask them. Secondly there is a thing called rehabilitation, and even though the system itself does nothing to rehabilitate people, many reform in spite of the mechanisms that attempt to prevent that. Actually that's not true either. There is a very high rate of recidivism. Most of your palls wind up in prison two and three times. They are of course innocent each time they get busted and convicted. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton? Lie? About ground troops? Never!
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today 4/18/99 on Sam $ Cokie's gab fest, Mad Albright denied that there is preperation for inserting ground troops. -- J2 === WASHINGTON, Apr. 16 - Senator James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Readiness, said today that the deployment of ground troops into the Yugoslavian combat zone has already begun, despite denials from the White House that the administration is even contemplating such a move. For all practical purposes, the debate about ground troops is over, Inhofe said. As I predicted months ago, and as I warned at the outset of the air campaign, President Clinton has always wanted U.S. ground troops in Kosovo, they always knew that air power alone would not work, and now the initial deployments are going on as we speak. The announcements this week, that 4,800 soldiers are being dispatched to staging areas in Albania to support our Apache helicopters and that up to 33,000 guard and reserve troops are being activated, tell the story. Why are all these 4800 troops going in?," Sen. Inhofe asks. "Not simply to fly the Apaches that are being deployed. A typical Apache battalion numbers fewer than 400 troops. So why are the other 4,000 and more troops there? Because this is a dangerous environment, with no support infrastructure, that poses great risk to our forces on the ground. Indeed, the President this week declared Albania and other areas surrounding Kosovo as an official combat zone for military pay purposes. And I am convinced this is only the beginning." In my judgment, this deployment is not only a mistake, it a clear violation of the law. The Roberts Amendment to the Defense Appropriations Bill specifically prohibits such troop deployments to Albania and other named countries in the Balkans before a series of conditions are met and notices are given to the Congress. This provision has not been fully complied with regarding the troop transfers with the Apaches. Inhofe emphasized that this troop deployment and the combat zone designation were ordered this week directly by the President in his role as Commander-in-Chief. These actions were taken during the very week the President maintained in public statements that he has no intention to deploy ground troops. Inhofe said this kind of deception and dishonesty continues to undermine the Presidents credibility with the public and with other countries throughout the world. Inhofe expressed concern for the safety and welfare of U.S. troops and emphasized that his statements today were motivated solely by a concern that the deployments to the Yugoslavian theater would serve to weaken the militarys ability to defend America and Americas truly vital security interests around the world. (http://www.senate.gov/%7Einhofe/pr041699.html) I posted this a little while back. -- j2 == Activist Mailing List - http://get.to/activist 4/11/99 I don't believe this scenario (below) at all. This is all show biz. If the point of this NATO aggression is to break off another piece of Yugoslavia and insert NATO occupation forces into the Balkans, then ground forces are the linchpin of this plan. The differences are over WHEN ground troops will take part and not whether they will. They have been waiting for public opinion to catch up with the propaganda. That has now happened and Clinton is ready to be " convinced " to use ground troops. The CFR/NWO packed Congress will make it easy to send Americans to kill and die for the New World Order. This crazy situation turns the concept of patriotism on its head. The American government is drumming up patriotic feelings in the general population to send Americans abroad to fight a non-American war. The entire operation is illegal, immoral, and unconstitutional. DON'T BE SUCKERED IN BY WHAT LOOKS LIKE PATRIOTISM. They are NOT fighting for America or America's interests. They are NATO. NATO IS NOT AMERICA! NON- Americans are making military decisions for American military personnel and equipment. Protest the aggressive and illegal war against Yugoslavia. This is not an issue of Left or right. It is patriotic and moral to stop the New World Order from destroying independent countries who wish to be free of the New World Order and that includes many Americans. GET NATO OUT OF YUGOSLAVIA. GET THE U.S. OUT OF NATO. Joshua2 === DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That
[CTRL] NATO/US Ordered Civilian Massacre?
-Caveat Lector- www.serbia-info.com/news Bill Clinton demands dismissal of Wesley Clark April 18, 1999 NATO massacred the Albanian civilians on the way back to their h According to the well informed sources from the White House, Albania has many problems with the refugees form Kosovo and Metohija and their discontent with the status and position they are in. They are facing the contagious diseases and dying of the elder people. Western Alliance member-states are especially concerned with the greater influence of Ibrahim Rugova to the refugee complex, manifested openly in their wish to return to their left homes in Kosovo and Metohija, those sources say. According to the mentioned sources from the White House, the convoy of the Albanian refugees who decided to return to their homes was targeted on purpose due to the two reasons: - To make everybody clear that there will be no returning because that is not in accordance with the determined NATO strategy - To blame the Serbian military and police forces of that crime, together with the adequate media campaign The sources continue in saying that William Coen, USA defense minister asked Wesley Clark, NATO commander in Europe to personally choose a pilot who would carry out this particular order and action. As Coen says, big mistake was done, because the pilot who was to attack the refugee convoy did not do it without notice by the other pilots who took part in the military actions on Kosmet that day. The name of this pilot is kept top secret. It is known that he is a member of the Holland army, prepared and trained in the military bases of the USA. Allegedly, as the same source say, after the massacre carried out on the Albanian refugees, American President Bill Clinton demanded an immediate dismissal of Wesley Clark, but this demand of his was covered up because of the political reasons. Besides everything, NATO stays loyal to its determined goals and tasks. [INLINE] [ Home | Encyclopedia | FactsFigures | News ] Copyright © 1998, 1999 Ministry of Information Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'Waco' Producer: WACO Lesson unlearned (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 04/20/1999 8:10:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Waco was not about religion, it was about non conformity. Branch Davidians were non conformist in terms of their religion. Nevertheless, the issue seems to be that modern western society is unable to deal with individuals who are different or espouse unconventional beliefs, whether religious, political or social. Absolutely right, and especially when you are considering how government beauracrats think. You could have an idea that would cure cancer, but it it didn't fit the form required, hang it up. Anyone who doesn't fit the current pattern is in deep trouble. It's kind of like living in a small town before WWII. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Serbian Cartoonist: BLACK CLOUD
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleksandar Zograf" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BLACK CLOUD Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:28:41 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Status: Sasa Rakezic P.F.163 26000 Pancevo Yugoslavia /Serbia/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] April 19th 1999 Hello! I am still trying to forget the "big blast" over Pancevo, two nights before. It is reported that it was seen in town of Cacak, which is 200 km from here... And the nearest plant which was bombed could be only about 700 meters from our home...Can you imagine all those bombs , thrown on several industrial plants (with explosive materials etc.), exploding at the same time? By the way, the Oil Refinery is still burning, two days after bombing. I can see the flame tall as a building...And the big black cloud of smoke coming out of it. Yesterday, the black smoke was enormous, visible in Belgrade (about 17 km from Pancevo) as well. It must have been several kilometers long; we tryed to make a photo, but it wasn't possible without some moving panoramic camera or something. Gordana and I went to a grave yard, which could be some 4 or 5 kilometers from the Oil Refinery, and we were able to see the layers of soot on the surface of tomb-stones. At the same location, I saw a small white object falling from the sky. At first I thought that it could be a so-called "locator", a pocket radio divice launched from NATO aircrafts, which serves in the process of navigation of missiles (I think. I told you I don't know too much about those things). It usually have a small parachute as well, and these devices were very often found in the fields around town... Anyway, when I came closer to observe the thing, it turned out to be a piece of foam , which probably was cerried by the wind all the way from Oil Refinery. Firemen were using the foam to controll the fire... Yesterday, they were also getting read of the unexploded bombs at some location near Belgrade. There were many cases of unexploded missiles, found on most bizarre places. Speaking of bizarre, one of the most peculiar cases happened two nights before, during the bombing of Batajnica, near Belgrade. After the bomb exploded, it launched small metal pieces hurting five people, and one piece crashed through the small window of the bathroom in a near-by house, and killed a three year old girl inside! Until next time Sasa DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 4/20/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Fin-de-Siecle Corzine Seeks Buyout of Long-Term Capital Management "Do you take this whore to be your lawfully purchased bride?" Jon Corzine, current co-chairman of Goldman Sachs, has linked up with John Meriwether and other original partners of Long-Term Capital Management to explore ways of buying out the financial services consortium controlling the hedge fund. In recent weeks Mr Corzine, Mr Meriwether and the partners have been approaching potential backers about raising funds for a buy-out of LTCM, whose near bankruptcy brought turmoil to the world's equity and bond markets last year. The fund raising moves are said to be at an early stage but follow a strong improvement in LTCM's investment performance since the $3.625bn bail-out organised by a Wall Street consortium last October. Mr Corzine, who played a key role in organising the bail-out, is due to leave Goldman once it has become a publicly quoted company this year. Mr Corzine declined to comment, as did a spokesman for LTCM's original partners. No spokesman for the consortium could be reached for comment. Mr Corzine and the LTCM partners are thought to be considering setting up a new organisation to raise the money to buy out the consortium. "They are quietly going around asking a few people their reaction to it," said one individual approached. The new organisation would be run jointly by Mr Meriwether and Mr Corzine. LTCM specialises in so-called convergence investing, and the new organisation is likely to continue with that style of investing. Before he became the senior partner of Goldman Mr Corzine ran the firm's fixed income business. Members of the consortium are said to have been told about the fund raising efforts through a letter from Goldman making clear that Mr Corzine is acting in a personal capacity. Mr Corzine is also known to be considering running for the US Senate and has been approached by Democratic leaders in New Jersey, where he lives. They want him to replace Sen Frank Lautenberg, who is due to retire. Mr Corzine lost out in a power struggle at Goldman this year, moving aside to enable Hank Paulson to become the bank's sole chairman. Last month LTCM disclosed that it had halved its risk and balance sheet exposure and boosted returns since being rescued. At the time the consortium declined to give specific details about the fund's total continuing exposure or what types of trades they had carried out to reduce its risk and balance sheet positions. It also declined to give the current net asset value. The Financial Times, April 20, 1999 World Finance SP: Credit Quality is Deteriorating Worldwide Duh. A growing number of the world's financial systems are weakening in the face of excessive credit growth and falling asset prices, according to an analysis by credit rating agency Standard Poor's. Credit quality is deteriorating in 24 of the 61 countries monitored regularly by SP, an increase of almost a third since its last report on financial system stress in October. Financial system strength is a key concern of international policymakers in the wake of the crises in Asia, Russia and Latin America over the last two years. Brazil, Colombia, Ireland, Latvia, Norway, Oman, Romania, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates have all been added to the list of weakening financial systems since last autumn. But Chile has been taken off the list because of a modest decline in domestic credit relative to gross domestic product. The report said that visible signs of weakness were now evident in nine countries: China, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Hong Kong, Japan, Malaysia, the Philippines, Romania and the Slovak Republic. Other apparently robust systems are also vulnerable, including Brazil, Greece, Turkey and the US. "Some of these systems' fundamentals are so poor that half of their assets may become problematic, for others decline will be relatively mild," the report said. Most of the financial systems identified by SP are under pressure because of unsustainable aggregate credit growth or are vulnerable because of a marked shift in their external position. Others show signs of worsening fundamentals or eroding franchise value because the government is crowding out private credit. SP looks at a number of leading indicators of financial stress, focusing on credit growth, corporate and household indebtedness, asset-price inflation and external funding of financial institutions. But the indicators do not reflect other factors that can prompt a liquidity crisis, including rigid exchange rate regimes, high inflation, a history of confiscatory action on bank deposits or reliance on flows of capital that are sensitive to shifts in confidence. Many countries have seen credit rise relative to the size of their economy over recent years. In the US, credit as a share of GDP has
[CTRL] NATO expected to decide on ground invasion at summit
-Caveat Lector- NATO expected to decide on ground invasion at summit By Steve Rodan SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Tuesday, April 20, 1999 NATO is expected to decide during its summit in Washington this weekend to prepare for a ground invasion of Kosovo, a senior European official said. The official, who did not want to be identified, said increasing pressure is being placed on the United States and Britain for an invasion of Kosovo over the next month in an attempt to "get this whole thing over with." The official said NATO members on the European continent are concerned that their economies would be damaged should NATO's bombing campaign continue through the summer. In addition, the official said, NATO's allies in the Balkans, such as Macedonia and Croatia, want the campaign to end. Both countries have granted air rights to NATO planes on their way to bombing missions in Yugoslavia. "From a humanitarian point of view, the support continues for the NATO operation," the official said. "But from the strategic point of view in terms of the future of Yugoslavia, there is more and more concern. That's why everybody would like this to end as soon as possible, even if it means a ground attack." The official said NATO can no longer insist on less than a capitulation of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic. He said if Milosevic obtains an unconditional ceasefire he will hail this as the "greatest victory in Serbian history." About 12,000 NATO troops are currently in Macedonia. NATO Secretary General Javier Solana reiterated that the alliance has no plans to invade Yugoslavia. But he added, "If the moment comes when it is necessary I'm sure the countries that belong to NATO will be ready to do it." On Sunday, the British newspaper Observer reported that NATO is making plans for a ground invasion of Kosovo as early as the end of May. The newspaper reported that about 80,000 troops have been allocated for the mission. The Observer said American troops have begun training in Colorado as part of a plan to complete NATO's operations in Yugoslavia by July. A NATO source told the newspaper, "We are no longer talking about simply sending peacekeeping troops into an entirely permissive environment." NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Government is a Quack Faith-Healer
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 16 /A - The Laissez Faire City Times April 19, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 16 Editor Chief: Emile Zola Government is a Quack Faith-Healer by Wolf DeVoon Humans exist in perfect freedom. Obedience is a choice. Government is therefore an illusion. The evidence isn't hard to gather, and it requires no special twist of language, no cognitive somersault. Just pick up the telephone and summon a policeman to attend a crime in progress (robbery, rape, murder, kidnapping). Good luck getting help in time. Nor is it clever to claim that the state's protection exists in a more diffuse, but efficacious realm beyond the average response time of emergency services. In any public street, the law is observed by its citizenry without police. Los Angeles has 7,000 cops and 7 million citizens. The LAPD are garbage collectors in fancy uniforms, picking up the dead and praying that the rest of us will argue quietly. Our dwellings are rendered safe from fire by homeowners and tenants, employing nothing more coercive than an individual desire to survive. All instrumentalities of community protection and public welfare existed first as private, voluntary organizations (constabularies, fire brigades, libraries, schools, hospitals) before dilettantes and ward-healers proposed that a bureaucracy should monopolize and run them badly. The historical origins of governments were neither rational nor provident. In every instance, ancient and modern, sovereigns were created by plunder and a fairy tale of divine right (British Empire), a crackpot theory of destiny (USSR), or a bad bargain improvised under duress (U.S.A.) Any student of the U.S. Constitution can see through the myth of glory: the Virginia Plan was a recipe for Civil War. Noam Chomsky wants government to thwart "evil predators." Robert Nozick fears competition. Hobbes, von Mises, and Ayn Rand hail the state as a champion of the weak, a bulwark of liberty. Burke sighs that the established order of ermine and tithes is comfortable; all innovation a threat. Phooey! Their theoretical defense of an illusion makes no donut disappear from a cop's mouth, no soldier more likely to question his orders, no real evil less vicious. Government is the sole, permanent source of repression and waste. It does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms. It is daft to moan about crime. Government cannot stop a thief, a lunatic, or a kid playing with matches. It took the Nazis twenty years to flatter and frighten the German nation into collective obedience -- and still someone shoved a bomb under the Fuhrer's conference table. The state does not and cannot triumph by coercion. Ayn Rand was correct: "Evil requires the sanction of the victim." During the war, German factory owners wheedled endlessly to avoid losing skilled Jewish workers. Twenty percent of all Nazi munitions were duds, sabotaged on the assembly line. The greatest tragedy of the Holocaust was the role of Jewish Councils, who collaborated with and made possible the systematic transportation of innocents. In 1935, SS troops only numbered in the hundreds, not tens of thousands. Jews were ordered to emigrate from Nazi Germany. It is an uncomfortable fact, but the state at its worst and most triumphal was incapable of genocide without the passive compliance of its intended victims. In Soviet Russia, the only tyrant was not Stalin; it was millions of citizens who chanted slogans and perished as a consequence of their own folly. Thirty million British trade unionists, doctors, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers democratically cut their own economic throats in the 1970s with the same Marxist slogans. Harold Wilson did not "force" them into penury, and Margaret Thatcher did not "force" the British to wake up and smell the bank statements. We the people do these things to and for ourselves. In fact and in reality, we are ungoverned and ungovernable. I defy anyone to name a single instance of governmental action that succeeded in achieving its intended outcome. Above all, please don't tell me that you filed an honest tax return, or that you know someone who did. No public work was raised without delay, confusion, cost overrun, graft, or outright disaster as a final consequence. Every morning, the state mangles reason and justice to perform simple tasks that private actors (a) would not undertake because the project is stupid; or (b) could do faster, cheaper, and better than government; or (c) are implicitly required to do anyway, since the state has no
[CTRL] Voyage from Yesteryear - a book review
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 16 /A - The Laissez Faire City Times April 19, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 16 Editor Chief: Emile Zola Voyage from Yesteryear a book review by Don Lobo Tiggre Voyage From Yesteryear, by James P. Hogan, has long been one of the books Ive most wanted to see reissued. This classic of modern SF has prompted many intellectuals to wrangle over whether its an argument for anarchy or whether the economic system depicted could actually work. Those are interesting questions, but the main value of the book is its detailed depiction of a truly free society. This book is the answer to people who just cannot bend their minds around the idea that things could be different. Voyage doesnt prove anything, but its an interesting, exciting, and effective tool for prying open a mind that has been rusted shut. It can be the first stepping stone for a real voyage of discovery. How? Well, consider the premise: saber-rattling has people worried about the prospects for the survival of life on earth, but theres no time to send out full-blown colony ships before things are expected to blow up, so a single seedship is launched. The ship finds a habitable planet, Chiron, and starts incubating embryos while robots go down to the surface and start up mining and manufacturing facilities. Many years pass and Earth fails to bomb itself back into the stone age. The Chironians develop a peaceful and free society, where "war" is a word only known from old history tapes of Earth. They dont even bother creating a government. Of course, the new fascist governments of Earth are not content to leave the Chironians (or the valuable resources of their planet) alone, so a second shipa huge habitat ship with thousands of people on board, including an armyis sent to bring the childish and naïve Chironians back under the "caring protection" of Earth. And so the stage is set for a conflict between peoples, weapons, and ultimately world-views. While the story is written with plenty of humor, with characters wed like to meet in real life, battles in space, and all the elements of a great SF epic, all of these things are merely the means by which Jim Hogan entreats the reader to reconsider his or her assumptions about society, economics, and even what it means to be human in this universe. Interestingly enough, and in spite of the heroic Chironians never having invented government on their planet, Jim does not call himself an anarchist. He refers to himself as a Jeffersonian. Hes also referred to himself as "something of a lapsed anarchist" in conversation, which may explain the decidedly anarchistic content of Voyage, which was first published 17 years ago. Jim says that he now believes that there must be some form of ultimate authority in society, a place where the buck stops, or order collapses and bloody chaos ensues. Also, Jim has never been as supportive of pure capitalism (which he says isnt what most people think it is) as, say, an Objectivist would be, and that does show in the economic questioning in Voyage. Jims stories vary widely in their intellectual content, some of them containing quite explicit examinations of social, political, and economic issues, and others seeming to have almost none. However, every single one of them has a strong undercurrent of general laissez-faire philosophy, even if it only shows in the attitudes the heroes have about life. The libertarian reader should therefore not read Voyage expecting to come away from it thinking, "what a great libertarian writer!" Thats not the value Im saying the book holds, even though it is a past winner of the Libertarian Futurist Societys Prometheus Award. Instead, I suggest that readers think of Voyage From Yesteryear as being like a nut-cracker for hard cases who are so used to seeing things only as they are now that no idealism, no willingness to dare to dream of a better world, no hope for the future can enter their minds. This is why Im so glad that Jim Baen has released a new edition of this long out-of-print masterpiece. First released in 1982, by Del Rey/Ballantine, Voyage From Yesteryear sold fairly well and went into a second printing in 1983. By then, Hogan had attracted attention with his pro-reason Code of the Lifemaker and anti-war The Genesis Machine, and had established himself as more than just a story-tellerthis was a guy whose stories made people really think! One thing that may surprise some readers whove heard about Jim Hogans political inclinations, but havent yet read any of his books, is the amount of actual science in Voyage and his other science fiction novels. Many Sci-Fi readers complain that the genre has decayed greatly over the years to where most new so-called Sci-Fi novels are really fantasy
[CTRL] Liberty's Structure: an interview with Randy Barnett
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 16 /A - The Laissez Faire City Times April 19, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 16 Editor Chief: Emile Zola Liberty's Structure: an interview with Randy Barnett by Alberto Mingardi Randy E. Barnett is the Austin B. Fletcher Professor at Boston University School of Law. Before entering teaching, he served as a criminal prosecutor for the Cook County State's Attorney's Office in Chicago, Illinois where he tried many felony cases. Professor Barnett's research covers a wide variety of subjects with emphasis on the roles of consent in contract law, unenumerated rights in constitutional theory, restitution in criminal justice, and the importance of natural rights and liberty. His latest work, The Structure of Liberty: Justice and the Rule of Law, is a great opus containing solutions to many of the problems encountered in libertarian philosophy. The book presents a powerful case for a system of natural rights and private justice. It starts from a "post-Hayekian" and consequentialist (but not utilitarian) point of view, and addresses three key areas: the problems of knowledge, the problems of power, and the problems of interest. With a solid base in the libertarian tradition--from his "spiritual father" Murray Rothbard to Lysander Spooner (in whom he is very interested)--Barnett is not only one of the best young libertarian scholars, but also "one of us." You can find more information about The Structure of Liberty at Randy Barnetts web page at http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/. My first question concerns Bruno Leoni, a scholar from my own country with whom I think you are acquainted. What is your opinion of Leoni's opus, Freedom and the Law? Freedom and the Law was a powerful and influential work that, along with writings by Hayek, helped keep the flame of [classical] liberalism and liberty alive during its darkest days (as did the spirited Leoni himself). Though I read it as a law student and was inspired by it then, I did not rely upon it in writing The Structure of Liberty primarily because, for all its virtues, it is rather unsystematic in its nature, and I was attempting to provide a structure to the subject that had previously been lacking. Natural Law Ethics vs. Natural Rights: can you please explain the difference to our readers? Natural law ethics are the principles that result from the study of how we should live our lives, given the nature of human beings and the world in which we find ourselves. Natural rights are the principles that result from the study of how people can pursue happiness, peace and prosperity while living in society with others, given the nature of human beings and the world in which we live. What we need is liberty to make our own choices and natural rights provides the structure of that liberty by distinguishing those freedoms we may rightfully exercise from the freedom that represents impermissible license. In sum, natural law ethics purports to tell us how to exercise the freedom that is defined and circumscribed by natural rights. Robert Nozicks account of the "immaculate conception" of the state was published exactly 25 years ago. Does this book stil have any interest for libertarians? Or has Nozick's hypothesis been destroyed by history? Nozick's work served as the focal point of libertarian theory among philosophers for 25 years. It has done a tremendous service to the cause of liberty. But now we can and must do better. Anarchy State and Utopia suffered from two weaknesses. The first was the absence of any theory of rights. It assumed rights existed and then considered the implications of that assumption. Though brilliant, it was largely reactive to the positions of others--primarily of Nozick's colleague John Rawls. Second, and much less importantly, it purported to provide a morally permissible route by which a monopoly law enforcement agency could arise without violating rights. This argument was refuted at the time by thoughtful libertarians (See vol. 1, issue 1 of the Journal of Libertarian Studies). It has not fared any better in the interim. I think it is time to move beyond Nozick and force statists to confront other arguments on behalf of liberty than those they have been mentioning for 25 years. In a way, I view both Leoni's and Nozick's books as crucially important transitional works that I was trying to supersede, and so I relied very little on either in presenting a more systematic explication of the Structure of Liberty. What has been the influence of Murray Rothbard on your thinking? Murray Rothbard had a great influence on me in many ways. First, as an undergraduate, his writings--especially For a New Liberty--convinced me more than any others
[CTRL] Next Target, the National ID Card
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 16 /A - The Laissez Faire City Times April 19, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 16 Editor Chief: Emile Zola Next Target, the National ID Card by Sunni Maravillosa The FDICs "Know Your Customer" (KYC) proposal has been declared dead. Much of the credit for that goes to the Libertarian Party. They organized an education drive through traditional media and the Internet, and set up an advocacy site specifically geared to the KYC proposal. That site, www.DefendYourPrivacy.com, housed educational material, media coverage of the proposal, an e-mail link to the FDIC for convenient mailing of messages, and an online petition against the KYC proposal. The New York Times, in its March 24 article "Flood of E-Mail Credited With Halting U.S. Bank Plan," reports that 171,000 of the e-mail comments the FDIC received came from the LPs advocacy site. That was about 83 per cent of the e-mail traffic the FDIC received on the subje ct. Also, about 140,000 individuals who visited the Defend Your Privacy site signed up to receive other privacy-related information. Congratulations to the Libertarian Party for its success in this effort. KYC was a frighteningly Orwellian proposal that needed to be soundly rejected by the American people. Its reassuring to know that happened, but even more satisfying that it happened under the efforts of a group that is truly pro-freedom. The LPs work on this issue shows that many individuals do still value freedom. It also demonstrates that theres a segment of the American population that isnt thoroughly sheepified, and will resist such intrusions into privacy. Wheres the Celebration? The Libertarian Partys campaign also provided an opportunity to share information about the freedom philosophy to large numbers of individuals who demonstrated an openness to those ideas by visiting the Defend Your Privacy web site and signing the petition. In addition, articles such as the New York Times piece gave the LP something they have long been seekingmainstream, positive coverage of libertarian values and actions. Imagine my surprise, then, when I browsed their web site while researching this essay, and found no mention of the KYC proposal, their petition and e-mail campaign, or the New York Times article. I then visited the Defend Your Privacy site, thinking that surely there would be lots of attention given to the LPs success. But no although the site does talk about the campaigns success and has media coverage, everything was very understated. One needs to look closely at the bottom of the home page to find mention of the Libertarian Party. If I were an official in the national LP, that kind of success and coverage would be given lots of attention in all the LP literaturee-mails, web sites, and print media. Instead, it looks like everyone has packed up the tents and gone quietly home. The Defend Your Privacy site is now being used to promote privacy-protecting legislation geared to keep KYC and similar proposals from being adopted. Its possible that I missed a lot of the fanfare although I doubt it, as Im on discussion lists where the LPs press releases get regular coverage, and have friends who regularly forward LP information to me. Its also possible that they did make a big deal out of the news when it was announced, and I visited the site too late to see the things I expected. Still, it seems to me that the kind of attention the LP received on this campaign would merit space on the web site on a long-term basis, as an example of the effectiveness of grass-roots activism in general and the LPs in particular. In fact, I got to wondering what the Libertarian Party is doing with all those names and e-mail addresses they collected, of individuals who asked to be notified about privacy issues. Not being on that list, I have no idea if theres been any follow-up, but it seems to me that if the LP wants keep this roller coaster of activism and outreach going, theres a natural follow-up target already in place: the National ID card (NID). The National ID Card I did a search on the Libertarian Party web site for any reference to the NID, and was disappointed by the results. There were two mentions: one from an Alabama LP publication from 1998, and the second from the national LP, dated 1995. Thats all the LP has to show on lawsnot mere proposals, but laws that have already been passed and are being put into placethat are designed to have every American citizen branded and trackable from birth, as if individuals are the governments herd of prime cattle. The NID is an identification card that will be required of every adult citizen of the US in order to conduct routine business. The authority for the NID was granted to the federal Department of
[CTRL] The American Mind in Denial
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/naz.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/naz.html"Clinton's Violence Against Women Others /A - Note: The internet is abuzz with this post. People are e-mailing it to everyone they know that desperately need to read it. It is spreading all over the net with blinding speed. Below is a special form where you can add your own fuel to the fire. This message is sorely needed. Special Guest Posting by RLK 1/27/99 RLK The American Mind in Denial So-called conservatives, who should more properly be referred to as the increasingly few remnants of sane people in this country, share a number of similarities with the inmates of Auschwitz or similarities of position of abused women. In both cases there was and is a condition where people are forced to treat insane and cynically dishonest arguments as if they were credible, and treat the people making those arguments as if those people were honest or were amenable to logic or moral suasion when it is not so. Any attempts to negotiate with the SS, or with Himmler, or with Hitler was an exercise in self delusion. Regardless of the rationality of arguments presented, those arguments would be rejected. The counter-arguments would be completely irrational, but there would be a desperate need for development of more arguments and pleas by the oppressed as if the Nazi counter-arguments were legitimately based in reasoning. This is the same condition we have at the present in America. To begin with, we are facing a situation that is obvious and obviously insane. Does anyone really believe that it is not, at the very least, inappropriate for the president of this country to be receiving oral sex in the Oval Office at the very moment he is on the phone arranging for the American military to be sent to a war zone? Not on the sane side of the boundary between sanity and profound mental disorder. But, the evidence is clear that it happened and there is no denial of it by the president. It is obvious that Bill Clinton lied to the American people and the courts with an open defiance that approached contempt and ridicule. Bill Clinton's deceptions are not characterized as the masterful work of superior intelligence. The stuff he is pulling is the type of stuff any third grader would get slapped for. Any child could see the obvious lies and manipulations. In fact, Bill Clinton's manipulations are based not so much upon clever deception, but upon the unspoken confidence that no one can, or will, now do anything about it. In some respects Clinton is like the class clown who is supported by other smirking students in a conspiracy to ridicule a hated teacher. In this case Clinton was elected to ridicule a society and a philosophy of mature responsibility that an infinitely rebellious and polarized generation has hated since the 60s. The Clinton coalition is made up of various alienated racial and cultural groups who elected him to dramatize their hostility and rebellion. The more irrational and warped the Clintons are, the more it serves that purpose. There is no Clinton deception. There is no need for deception. The Clinton lies are transparent and not utilized so much for deception but to ridicule opposition's powerlessness within a concurrent message that the time has arrived when the angry radicalism of the 60s has achieved seniority. The Clinton lies are more an act of triumphant generational sadism than deception. --And who other than the kid who 30 years ago went to Moscow as a committed declaration of his support of those seeking failure of the American effort in Viet Nam has better credentials to lead the triumph? ... Bill Clinton is a somewhat charming manipulative narcissistic psychopath who is capable of showmanship. Beneath the showmanship, over a nearly 35 year period he has shown an infinite capacity to lie and betray others without embarrassment. He has shown few other capacities in any depth. Bill Clinton's present passing troubles are not, and should not be looked upon, as having been the result of a relationship with Monica Lewinsky, or even Paula Jones. The Bill Clinton problem is a consistent pattern of remorseless predation, callousness, manipulation, contempt, ridicule, hostility toward morality, and irresponsibility going back more than 30 years of which the Jones and Lewinsky matters are but a small symptom. In all the years of his adult, or nearly adult, life, anyone associated with Bill Clinton has suffered or been betrayed. That includes everyone from cabinet officials to his own daughter. Perhaps both we, and Bill Clinton, should be introduced to the previously unexplored concept that if one believes that criticism of, or prohibitions against, oral penile and anal sexual stimulation with comparative strangers in the Oval Office are an unbearable hardship, then one really ought not campaign for the presidential office because one doesn't really have the prerequisites in terms
[CTRL] internet censorship in china
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:516017"internet censorship in china /A - Subject: internet censorship in china From: an asphodel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Apr 20, 1999 4:08 AM Message-id: 7fhqns$ees$[EMAIL PROTECTED] We have tried to access several homepages hosted by free servers such as Geocities, Tripod, Xoom from computers in Mainland China, but invariably fail. We have asked some chinese people about it, and they said that haven't been able to access those pages either. Could it be because this kind servers are hosting material considered 'subversive' by the chinese government or because they allow anyone to build a homepage and post their thoughts there? Does anyone have a clue about how internet censorship works in China? an asphodel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] home page: http://members.tripod.com/~an_asphodel veggiegoth page: http://members.xoom.com/chaos_clown/veggiegoth ---== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==-- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- Well I should have read more on Tesla; I just accepted the one page report because I was looking for the MONSTERS who were tampering with the weather causing one disaster after anotherand just like the war in Serbia, Gore appears with "humanitarian" needs to rebuild.. I can see the picture now; his genius being used for evil purposes.imagine if we had a man like Tesla today; no wonder they feared his genius. Anytime the oil companies get their hands on something, well even a few assassinations can be tracked to their doors through their vicious propaganda machines. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Washington DC on Terror Alert for Friday
-Caveat Lector- The principal terrorist threat in this country is Madam Albright, Janet Reno, and William Jefferson Clinton. These are the terrorists in our society from WACO to the Yugoslavian areas. Here our government is already arming up to quell any riots using full force; but, remember now, they do not really want to hurt anybody. The former head of the Intelligence at OSP and a bodygurad to the Governor of Ohoi after Kent State, where three kids were gunned down by the Ohio National Guardshowed me a little joke he had in his billfoldmost of the force carried it around for laughsit read simply: Ohio National Guard - 4 Kent State - 0 Now that was the joke of the week, and the people who carried it were part of a "watch" set on me, by the Governor and the Teamsters.because I was held responsible for a story in Life Magazine, called "The Govenor and the Mobster", which I did not writepreviously I had collected some information, but that was all..I made the mistake of trusting a friend with a big mouth So, this is the mentality that reflects the mentality of the Butcher of Waco Reno, the Butcher of the Balkans Albright, and the Coward of the County, Clinton..bet they got out back to back these days and are getting so paranoid that perhaps they should be put away in an institituion before they do any more harm. Colleen Walsh Jones You see, Denny Walsh wrote the story re the Governor and the Mobster..I just happened alone with the same information and police record on same. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [9] Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman
-Caveat Lector- Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman ANTON CHAITKIN (C)1984 New Benjamin Franklin House P. O. Box 20551 New York, New York 10023 ISBN 0-933488-32-7 - excerpt from chapter 9: *The opium-traders became "the boss" in Salem and Newburyport, in Essex County, Massachusetts. In Salem, they formed the East India Society, which held a "jollification" each year, parading through the streets in Chinese costumes and artifacts, (18) to remind the local folks where the money was coming from. The cult of the irrational, and the search for expressions of feudalism and anti-industrialism in culture and politics, was a product of this treasonous combination in Essex County. Among the personalities originating within the womb of this treasonous clique, from the city of Newburyport alone, were: Caleb Cushing; Cushing's protege, Albert Pike; William Lloyd Garrison; Caleb Huse; and George Peabody. The last-named was the founder of a gigantic banking firm in England, to whose service he hired Junius and J. P. Morgan. When Peabody died, the firm became the House of Morgan, and later moved to the U.S.A. The other Newburyporters named, were all, each in their own particular role, architects of the American Civil War. It is their story we are telling in these chapters on the history of treason in America.* - -9- The Organization of Dope, Incorporated On July 4, 1821, U.S. Secretary of State John Quincy Adams delivered an address in Washington, D. C., a speech which was designed to prepare the public for the issuance of the Monroe Doctrine, of which Adams was the author. Adams identified the role of the United States as the model for the world's republican movements, and as the scourge of the European oligarchy: If the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world should . . . enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably . . . held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. (1) After reciting the Declaration of Independence, in this setting, he called it: the first solemn declaration by a nation of the only legitimate foundation of civil government. It was the cornerstone of a new fabric, destined to cover the surface of the globe. It demolished at a stroke the lawfulness of all governments founded upon conquest. It swept away all the rubbish of accumulated centuries of servitude From the day of this Declaration, the people of North America were no longer the fragment of a distant hemisphere, imploring justice and mercy from an inexorable master in another hemisphere They were a nation, asserting as of right, and maintaining by war, its own existence. A nation was born in a day It stands ... a beacon on the summit of the mountain, to which all the inhabitants of the earth may turn their eyes for a genial and saving light . . . a light of salvation and redemption of the oppressed.(2) When the New England Federalist critics of Adams labeled this address of his "tasteless," Adams rebuked them in a letter addressed to Edward Everett: I demonstrated . . . from the moral and physical nature of man that colonial establishments cannot fulfill the great objects of civil society [This] demonstration . . . settles the justice of the present struggle of South America for independence It looks forward prospectively to the downfall of the British Empire in India as an event which must necessarily ensue at no very distant period of time. It anticipates a great question in the national policy of this Union which may be nearer at hand than most of our countrymen are aware of: whether we too shall annex to our federative government a great system of colonial establishments. It points to a principle proving that such establishments are but mighty engines of wrong, and that in the progress of social improvement it will be the duty of the human family to abolish them, as they are now endeavoring to abolish the slave-trade. (3) The powerful financier-networks of the Venetian oligarchy, together with their Anglo-Swiss junior partners, were determined to destroy the United States from within, since this destruction could not be accomplished solely by means of armed assault from without. The question was posed by this, chiefly British, subversive effort: would the United States adhere to the principles on which it had been established a constitutional republic? Would this republic continue to be the champion of and model for the creation of powerful alliances among sovereign republics in Asia, Africa, and Ibero-America? Or, could the Venetian, Swiss, and British oligarchies' combined efforts recapture control of the states
[CTRL] New World Order Uber Alles
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 16 /A - The Laissez Faire City Times April 19, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 16 Editor Chief: Emile Zola New World Order Uber Alles by Uri Dowbenko As NATO leaders gather in Washington, D.C. on April 24 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the alliance, the continued viability of an organization rooted in the Cold War is being seriously questioned. With the addition of Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic as new members, it is clear that NATOs original anti-Communist role has been relegated to the trashcan of history. US officials are scrambling to create a new raison detre for the continued existence of this dinosaur. So-called "peacekeeping" missions and the supposed prevention of the spread of nuclear, biological and chemical warfare have formed the rationale for public consumption. Of course, the undeclared and illegal war in Kosovo is a textbook study of the new modus operandi. Whatever the supposed hidden agenda of a globalist cryptocracy may be, NATO has become the de facto army of a "new world order" -- the iron fist in the velvet glove of a intercontinental exercise of arbitrary power. Following high-profile international muscle-flexing in Panama, Haiti, Somalia, Iraq and Bosnia ( http://www.weu.int/institute/occasion/1andreat.htm), the militaristic new world order has come out of the closet like gangbusters. Maybe even multinational gangbangers. (Perhaps previous attempts to forge UN "Peacekeepers" into obedient storm-troopers were deemed failures, and thus NATO emerged as a more controllable and thus more efficient substitute.) Kiss Your Sovereignty Goodbye Like the intellectual elites of the 1930s obsessed with National Socialism (Naziism) or International Socialism (Communism), the current version of internationalists are likewise paving their own road to a globalist hell with good intentions. Using the Hegelian model of history, first there was Capitalism (thesis), then Communism (antithesis), and now theres the New World Order, or Globalism (synthesis). The latter has risen from the ashes of the Cold War and the formerly "competing" ideologies like a phoenix. Globalism is the trendy philosophy for the new millennium. In his book Megatrends 2000, Olympian futurist John Naisbitt calls it "free market socialism" -- a hybrid economics that combines welfare state policies with mega-corporate business on a global level. Globalism, however, is also a secular religion with a dogma all its own. Its primary belief system is the notion that the usefulness of the nation-state is over, that national sovereignty is a thing of the past, and that a one-world government is inevitable. National sovereignty -- and individual sovereignty for that matter -- is passe. Zbigniew Brzezinski, former Columbia University professor, President Carters former National Security advisor, and a founder of the Trilateral Commission, has often been a mouthpiece for globalist views. Speaking at the Gorbachev Foundations State of the World Forum in 1995, he said "We cannot leap into world government in one quick step. [It] requires a process of gradually expanding the range of democratic cooperation." In plain language, he means that people must continually be brainwashed until they accept the globalist "reality." Eurocrat Jean-Marie Guehenno hints at global hegemony or one world totalitarianism, calling it an "empire without an emperor." Guehenno wrote The End of the Nation-State (1995) which was called La fin de la democratie, or The End of Democracy in the original French version. Since nation-states are obsolete, he claims, " wise men capable of thinking through the finite world that has become our common lot" must be entrusted to guide us into what he calls an "Imperial Age." Presumably, Guehenno counts himself as one of the so-called "wise men" who will rule the planet. Such a collection of "wise men" can form a "global politburo" to run the world as posited by Paul Mazur in Unfinished Business (1979). This is obviously a hot topic. Both End of the Nation State (this one by Kenichi Ohmae, 1996) and a book entitled Our Global Neighborhood (written in mind-warping bureaucratese by the loftily-named Commission on Global Governance, 1995) provide more background on the globalist philosophy and globalist plans for your future. Behind the Curtain of the Propaganda Machine For a highly entertaining -- and educational -- peek at how government spin doctors are promoting the globalist agenda, take a look at the website of the United States Information Service ( http://www.usia.gov/usis.html ). Youll find, for example, Clintons remarks to Air Force personnel and others at Barksdale Air Force Base, Bossier City, Louisiana, home base for the B-52 bombers used in the US
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Motorist's tape of traffic stop lands him in court
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/107/metro/Motorist_s_tape_of_traffic_stop_lands_him_in_court-.shtml The Boston Globe Low-Graphics Version The Boston Globe Online -- Low Graphics Version -- On boston.com MAIN SECTIONS Page One Nation | World Metro | Region Motorist's tape of traffic stop lands him in court Business Sports Bid to prove misconduct brings wiretap charge Living | Arts Editorials By Hermione Malone, Globe Correspondent, 04/17/99 Obituaries On Oct. 26, 1998, Michael Hyde got a familiar feeling. LATEST NEWS Driving his Porsche on Route 123 in Abington, he noticed Nation a police officer looking at him from the entrance of a Region convenience store. Jokingly, Hyde turned to his friend in Business the car and said, ''Ever have that feeling that someone Sports isn't going to leave you alone?'' Scoreboard Washington A mile down the road, that officer, Michael Aziz, stopped WorldHyde's car, and what happened next, Hyde says, amounts to Technology simple harassment, involving four officers, because he Arts and his friend looked like drug dealers to the police. -- ''I was driving a Porsche 928, I'm in a band, have long hair, and my friend was wearing a leather coat, and To access allsomehow that added up to cocaine,'' he said, adding that features of the one officer asked if he had any ''blow in the dash.'' Globe Online, including a That quote, he states, is on a tape of the encounter. regularly- Like an increasing number of motorists in the wake of the updated Page Rodney King confrontation with Los Angeles police, police One, return to say, Hyde taped the traffic stop. the full-graphicsBut this time, the police are fighting back. They version. indicted Hyde on a wiretapping statute, alleging that he illegally violated the officers' privacy. ''Police officers have the same rights as other citizens,'' insisted Plymouth County prosecutor Paul Dawley, stating that, if the tables were turned and a police officer were caught taping someone without permission, people would be outraged. This week, Hyde was in Brockton District Court for pretrial motions, getting ready to oversee his defense against the criminal wiretapping charge. ''I guess I run a chance of going to jail for bringing the truth to be observed,'' Hyde said. ''This is saying the police can break any law they want and you can't even use the truth against them.'' James Greenberg, Hyde's defense attorney, said he believes it is the first time that police have used a wiretap statute against a motorist. The traffic stop itself did not lead to any charges. Hyde was not arrested or ticketed, but, said Greenberg, he showed up the next day at the Abington police station to make a formal complaint, armed with an audio cassette recording of the incident. Instead of a reprimand for the officers involved, Hyde got a court date. Abington police charged Hyde with unlawful wiretapping and their evidence was the very tape he brought in to prove ill conduct by the police. Nearly six months later, Hyde's run-in with Abington police is tied up in legal wrangling. At Thursday's pretrial hearing, Greenberg unsuccessfully argued for a continuance to prepare a motion to dismiss. Judge David Nagle instead ordered the motion be filed by the end of the month and scheduled a hearing for May 6. Hyde, 31, of Braintree, agrees that he has a recording of the entire traffic stop, which he says reveals officers engaged in ''verbal assault'' and police ''profiling'' of suspects based on their age and appearance. However, Hyde will not say if he was the one who taped the encounter. In any case, Greenberg said, the charge will not stick. The statute under which Hyde is being prosecuted was designed to help control organized crime, and involves wiretapping only, he said, not direct taping. But the Plymouth district attorney's office sees the case differently. ''If you have a tape recording, but it's not by telephone,
Re: [CTRL] General Hugh Shelton: The Butcher of Oklahoma City
-Caveat Lector- In Genesis you find the astrological signs of the twelve tribes.rather, their attirbutes.and of course then, we have the Sun representing the Leaders of any country, and etc. On November 22, 1963.I have a masonic picture of Sagitaurus, the Archer, and lying at his feet, is the Sun God, or the Son of God, lying at its feet having been shot down by the Archer.November is the begining of winter, and the King must die, both symbolically, and in this case, for real For the kiss of death in the winter, can only be compared to the kiss of death in the spring. Arise my love and come away; for the voice of the turtle will be heard in the land. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: RSVP: Beast Of The Year
Who should be the Beast of the Year for 1999? Please select one or more of the following: o Jerry Springer o Richard Mellon Scaife o Rick Kaplan o Charles Hurwitz o Reverend Fred Phelps o Congressman Henry Hyde o Rudy Giuliani o William Cohen by going to the following Web form: http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=924623080821 Thank you! eGroups Spotlight: "Arabia.On.Line's.Daily Dispatch" - The cultural and political sands of Arabia are waiting for you. http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/120 eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com
[CTRL] Protectorate in Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- The intentional break up of Yugoslavia while Russia is down and out. -- Joshua2 = NDEPENDENT (London) April 20 War in The Balkans - War aim is protectorate in Kosovo, says Blair By Rupert Cornwell ANY LAST prospect of a compromise end to the Balkan war vanished yesterday as Britain said Kosovo should be turned into a protectorate under the United Nations and other international bodies before moving to possible independence. In separate but complementary statements, Tony Blair and the Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, formally buried the Rambouillet package, which envisaged an autonomous Kosovo within Yugoslavia's present borders, and told President Slobodan Milosevic he had lost the province for good. Addressing the annual meeting of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) in London, Mr Blair told Belgrade an international force would enter Kosovo "to secure the land for the people for whom it belongs". Not once did he mention partition, which has been mooted as a possible outcome, or even the most nominal sovereignty of Yugoslavia over the province as envisaged at Rambouillet: instead, he pledged "the dispossessed refugees of Kosovo will be brought back into possession of what is rightfully theirs". The Prime Minister's language is the clearest Western acknowledgement yet that, after its suffering, Kosovo's Albanian majority is entitled to self-determination. Mr Cook set out the details in the Commons. Until democratic institutions had been rebuilt, he said, Kosovo would be administered by bodies including the UN, EU and Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe, which ran the ill-fated peace monitoring mission in Kosovo. Reconstruction of the province, whose cost could top $10bn, would take the combined efforts of all these bodies, Mr Cook said. He expressed Britain's preference for a Security Council mandate that would turn Kosovo into a UN protectorate, which would also help to mend fences with Russia, a permanent member of the council, after the strains of recent weeks. Those strains were again evident yesterday as Moscow accused Nato of plotting a land invasion of Kosovo, and President Boris Yeltsin said that he would not allow Mr Milosevic to be defeated and see Nato take de facto control of all Yugoslavia. Shortly before a phone conversation with President Bill Clinton in which he demanded an immediate end to the bombing, Mr Yeltsin said he could not abandon Mr Milosevic: "Bill Clinton hopes that...Milosevic will capitulate, give up the whole of Yugoslavia. We will not allow this; this is a strategic place," Itar-Tass quoted Mr Yeltsin as saying. Officially the allies deny any intention of toppling Mr Milosevic directly (though they hope the Serbian people will do it for them) and rule out a land war. The air campaign would continue "and we are winning", George Robertson, Secretary of State for Defence, said. That will remain the Nato line at least until after this weekend's summit in Washington, where any move in public to press a ground campaign could produce an embarrassing and open split among the 19 member-countries. Increasingly, however, and even before the air war has produced a decisive breakthrough, the West is starting to turn to the problem of rebuilding the Balkans once the conflict is over. In his speech to the EBRD - which was set up to help finance the transition of former Communist East Europe to market democracy - Mr Blair told his audience of bankers and politicians from the region that the reconstruction task would be massive. In Athens, the Greek Foreign Minister, George Papandreou, called for a "mini-Marshall Plan" to help Balkan economies recover. Yesterday Croatia, Hungary and Bulgaria said the crisis, by hitting investment and tourism throughout the region, already would reduce economic growth by 1 per cent or more. Apart from the $10bn (#6.25bn) or more bill in Kosovo itself, where entire towns and villages have been destroyed and industry and agriculture are in ruins, Nato leaders accept that a post-Milosevic Yugoslavia will need billions of dollars to rebuild bombed industry and infrastructure. Next week EU foreign ministers meet their counterparts from Albania and Macedonia to study a boost in immediate and medium-term aid to the two countries bearing the brunt of the refugee crisis. = Review of my analysis at the beginning of the war. -- J2 - UNDERSTANDING THE KOSOVO CRISIS WHY THIS CAME ABOUT: With the fall of the Soviet empire, the client states were suddenly free to become... What? There was a variety of limited choices. Yugoslavia had fewer choices than most of the others. The reason was (Kohl's) Germany. I hold Germany responsible for what has happened to the Balkans. When
[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Day 5 of Washington State Cypherpunk Trial
By popular demand, here is yesterday's installment in the US v. Johnson cypherpunk trial. It is expected to end today, according to email last night from CJ's attorney, Gene Grantham: We expect the trial to conclude tomorrow and a ruling by Judge Bryan is expected tomorrow, as well. Judge Bryan is an excellent judge, but I can't even begin to predict what his ruling will be. Blanc was called to testify because her name was mentioned in a email message posted to cypherpunks (allegedly by CJ) that ranted about Bill Gates and Microsoft products. The IRS and DoJ argue it was a threat. Details at (http://jya.com/cejfiles.htm) Also John Gilmore has found a list of CJ's country music albums: http://jya.com/cej-music.htm -Declan *** From: "Blanc" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:44:44 -0700 I appeared today in Tacoma, for all of about 10 minutes, at Gene Grantham's request. I did have to wait around about 1 hour because the other questioning was taking longer than expected. I walked up to the doors once and peeked in, and could slightly hear Jeff Gordon under questioning, saying inaudible things about "cypherpunks" this and "cypherpunk" that. I went for some tea across the street, looked around at the Dave Chihuly glasswork in the lobby, daydreamed on the witness bench about marble fountains in ancient Roman civilization and how the Moors and Romans ended up as Spaniards and Italians. Then I was called to speak. I was asked by G. Grantham about the nature of the list and the kind of messages posted. (typical explanation). He asked if I was aware of Jim Bell and his essay on AP, did I enter into the discussions on the subject, and what was my opinion on the matter ("I disagreed"). Several questions on Toto's posts: I considered them performance art, satirical, joking [etc], the kind of creative stories a writer would post, didn't read them all, didn't take them very seriously. Did I know about the AP bot web page. I did, but didn't read most of those messages, didn't look at the site, didn't seriously consider that such a bot was up and functional. What was my reaction on seeing the particular post with the header containing my name : Wasn't sure if it was really a "Toto" post; was puzzled and surprised by it, being very different from his typical style. And you didn't want your name associated with it? Correct. Outside of the context of list discussions such a message could easily be misconstrued and misunderstood. So you thought it was unwise for someone to send out this kind of post? I thought it was foolish. Then CJ brought up a question about whether I had received a couple of other emails from him, which I could not recall. He began a second question, but Judge Bryan would not allow him to continue (don't remember what the issue was, but my impression is that he was tired of hearing anymore about who sent or received which messages from who.) Judge Bryant then asked me, "So you,ve never met Carl Johnson, have you?" No. "Well , " - he casually waved his hand in CJ's direction - "there he is." (laughter). CJ pointed to Gene Grantham beside him and said "And this is Toto." Then the Dark Side got up and inquired about the message which I posted here the other day (in the reply to Hettinga's "Osama Tim Laden" post). It was on the ledge in front of me, in the 2nd big, fat binder full of Toto's and cpunk email, exhibit #25. "Are those little doohickeys on the side Toto's statements?" " And the other part of the message is what you said?" He started to ask me about what I thought about something, but the judge intervened. This judge reminded me of a teacher, or Judge Judy Watkins, saying to the prosecutor, "You don't ask the witness whether they agree with your statement. You ask them about the content of the message. We're talking about fundamental content here, not whether she agrees with you or not." Basically he then inquired whether I thought the message would be taken seriously by Billg company. No. Like I said in the message, I expected they would just keep it on file but not pursue it. (which is what happened) But I did recognize a message of that type could be misinterpreted or misunderstood? Yes. A few objections went back forth during all of the questioning, with the judge basically reemphasizing that it was the content that mattered in the communications, not tangential considerations. Then I left the perch and the judge called it a day. I observed as CJ put his hands behind him and cuffs were put on them. He turned back and looked at me; I lifted my hand a bit in greeting acknowledgement. And that was that. Gene Grantham said he thought tomorrow morning the judge would make his decision. I asked him if he would post a message to the list about it, and/or send something to John Young, and he said he would. .. Blanc p.s.I recognize the extreme utter importance of haivng a hired
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- Author, William R. Lynn, in his book, "Space Aliens from the Pentagon" (Creatopia Productions, Lamy, NM, 87540, $17.95, 505-466-3022 ) makes a compelling case that Tesla was the original inventor behind a _workable_ propulsion system for a UFO, that was known about and actually pilfered by the German rocket scientists, Just as interesting is the appendix on Britt-Papp technology. Fascinating stuff, that. Has anybody out there actually built a Britt-Papp motor? How does it behave under load? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New issue of Paranoia out . . .
-Caveat Lector- Yes, the new issue of Paranoia - The Conspiracy Reader is out and with an article by yours truly -check it out at your local bookstore. Thankx, Al. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Shots fired at Denver-area high school
-Caveat Lector- Shots fired at Denver-area high school Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press LITTLETON, Colo. (April 20, 1999 2:24 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Shots were fired Tuesday inside a high school in a suburb southwest of Denver, and an undetermined number of people were injured. There also were reports of an explosion and fire. Steve Davis, a spokesman for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department, said, "We do have injuries." "Right now all I've got is there have been several shots fired, some explosions heard and some fire in the school," Davis said. Ambulances and police cars were arriving at the Columbine High School around lunchtime. A girl identified only as Janine said told KCNC-TV she saw men in black trench coats open fire. "We saw three people get shot," she said. "They were just shooting. They didn't care who they shot. They were just shooting." Jonathon Ladd said he was leaving a technology laboratory when he saw students running and heard shots ricocheting off lockers. He said he ran to a nearby park to escape the gunfire. Columbine High is in the middle-class suburb of Littleton, population 35,000, southwest of Denver. It opened in 1973 and has an enrollment of about 1,800. Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Today's MP3: Marc Patterson: Space Jam http://www.mp3.com/artists/4/marc_pattison.html ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'Waco' Producer: WACO Lesson unlearned (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Waco was not about religion, it was about non conformity. Let's not forget the race angle. This was a multi-racial commune. I can't for the life of me grasp how racists of the Aryan/Identity type rationalize their much touted outrage over this incident. Were they ever to take power they'de do exactly the same thing to people like that. I also am fairly disgusted, though not really supprised, that the right cares not a fig for what happened to MOVE at Philadelphia and the left pretends that what happened at Waco was the fault of the so-called "cultists." The SAME thing happened to both groups. I am reminded of the opening line of Ceasar's account of how he managed to conquer Gaul. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Lone Nuts Catch War Fever ?
-Caveat Lector- Two Gunmen Open Fire in Colo. H.S. By ROBERT WELLER .c The Associated Press LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) -- Two young men dressed in long, black trench coats opened fire in a suburban high school today, scattering students as gunshots ricocheted off lockers, witnesses said. At least three students were injured, one student said. There were also reports of explosions in the school, which was ringed by ambulances and police officers at lunchtime. snip April 18 -- BELGRADE (Reuters) - ... A British newspaper, the Observer, said Sunday NATO was laying plans for a ground invasion, perhaps as early as the end of May. It said 80,000 troops had been earmarked for the operation and that some American soldiers had already started training in Colorado. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] NATO in Montenegro Next?]
-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Queried about the possibility of a naval blockade, White House press secretary Joe Lockhart said, ``We believe that this is an idea worth pursuing." "Yugoslavia's only seaports are in Montenegro. "The NY Times reported today that when the United States raised the issue of a naval blockade with NATO allies last week, France objected on grounds that this would require endorsement by the United Nations." U.S. Seeks To Block Oil to Serbs By LAURA MYERS .c The Associated Press snip My guess is that Djukanovic will invite NATO into Montenegro, possibly in the context of moving ground forces into Serbia. He has been sounding more and more pro-Western lately, and would clearly love to split completely with Milosevic. Wonder how much we're paying Mr. D.? Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Federal Funds = Private SLUSH Funds (Example #42,967)
-Caveat Lector- Ex-Headstart Chief Accused of Fraud By LARRY NEUMEISTER .c The Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) -- The former director of a Headstart program has been charged with embezzling $250,000 intended to help poor families. Beatrice Richardson, 49, surrendered to police Monday and appeared before U.S. Magistrate Judge James Francis, who released her on $200,000 bond. Prosecutors accused Ms. Richardson of diverting the money from the program to a clothing business, her sons' fledgling companies, her daughter's college tuition and an ex-boyfriend. Ms. Richardson allegedly had three seamstresses from her clothing company, B-Rich Clothing, working in a Headstart program room meant to be used as a children's classroom. ``Many of the government's allegations are incorrect,'' said Ms. Richardson's lawyer, Richard Willstatter, who wouldn't comment further. Ms. Richardson refused to comment. Ms. Richardson's children were not accused of wrongdoing. Among them is director Matty Rich, who was 19 when he released the critically acclaimed 1991 movie ``Straight Out of Brooklyn,'' about the downfall of a black working-class Brooklyn family. Prosecutors said a movie company co-owned by Rich and his mother, plus a music company owned by another son, received more than $50,000. Ms. Richardson, who now lives in Clearwater, Fla., was charged with writing unauthorized checks to benefit herself and her family while she was program director of the Metro North Association's Headstart program between 1991-1996. The Headstart programs are meant to benefit preschool children whose parents are on public assistance or whose income is below the poverty level. The city initially investigated because its Administration for Children's Services, which administers the program on behalf of the federal government, reported questionable expenses in the program. If convicted on embezzlement charges, Ms. Richardson could face a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a fine of $250,000. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Oops Again
-Caveat Lector- Marine Jets Kill Civilian in P.R. By CHRIS HAWLEY .c The Associated Press SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- Two U.S. Marine jets on a training run missed their target and bombed a communications tower on an island off Puerto Rico, killing one civilian and injuring four others. The two F-18 jets based on the aircraft carrier USS John F. Kennedy struck the tower at about 7:30 p.m. Monday, said Roberto Nelson, spokesman for Roosevelt Roads Naval Station. The bombs hit the tower where four civilian contractors and one military observer were helping direct the jets over the island of Vieques, off Puerto Rico's east coast. The Navy will investigate, Nelson said. The four injured men were in stable condition in a military hospital, the Navy said. A contractor, David Sanes, 35, was killed, according to Robert Rabin of the Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques, a civilian group which opposes the military exercises. Activists fighting to force the U.S. military to stop using the island declared that it was inevitable that an accident should occur. ``Vieques lives under the continual danger that this type of situation will happen if the Navy makes a mistake in its bombardment from ships and airplanes,'' Rabin said. Many of the 9,400 residents of 21-mile-long island oppose the use of live ammunition, which they say is destroying coral reefs, disturbing fishing grounds and thwarted efforts to attract tourists. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pope to Canonize JP Morgan Partner's Daughter
-Caveat Lector- ""Saint" Katharine Drexel was born to great wealth. Her father was a banker and business partner of J.P. Morgan. "The Drexels, devout Roman Catholics, believed their wealth belonged to God, who entrusted it to them to care for the poor." By JOANN LOVIGLIO .c The Associated Press BENSALEM, Pa. (AP) -- A socialite and heiress to one of Philadelphia's largest fortunes, Katharine Drexel could have had or done anything. What she chose instead as her life's work shocked high society but has her poised to become the second American-born saint. The woman who lived a storybook youth of mansions, world travel and private tutors took a vow of poverty, entered the convent and used all of her $20 million inheritance to establish a missionary order dedicated to helping those treated the worst and regarded the least. ``She ... gave everything to God, including herself,'' said Sister Ruth Catherine Spain, who belongs to the Sisters of the Blessed Sacrament order founded by Mother Drexel and who lives in the order's motherhouse in Bensalem. Supporters began touting her cause almost immediately after her death in 1955 at age 96. And a pair of mysterious healings -- one confirmed, the other still being investigated -- are drawing her closer to sainthood. She would be the only American-born saint besides Sisters of Charity founder Elizabeth Ann Seton, canonized in 1975. Four other people with U.S. ties have reached beatification, which is the last step before sainthood: Mohawk Indian convert Kateri Tekakwitha; Belgian-born priest Damien de Veuster, who cared for lepers in Hawaii; Spanish-born priest Junipero Serra, who founded nine California missions; and French-born nun Theodore Guerin, who founded the Sisters of Providence of St. Mary of the Woods in Indiana. Mother Drexel is the closest to canonization of America's 29 candidates, most of whom are decades away from sainthood. ``There's no white smoke yet,'' said Monsignor Alexander Palmieri, vice postulator, or official advocate, for Mother Drexel's cause for sainthood, referring to the plume that signals when a new pope is chosen. He said he hoped canonization could come by the end of this year. She was beatified in 1988. Katharine Drexel was born in 1858 to a family of great wealth. Her father, Francis Drexel, was a banking magnate and business partner of J.P. Morgan. Her uncle, Anthony Drexel, founded Drexel University. Young Katharine was a world traveler and a debutante but also was taught the importance of charity. The Drexels, devout Roman Catholics, believed their wealth belonged to God, who entrusted it to them to care for the poor. In addition to making monetary donations, the family distributed food, clothing and money three times a week from their mansion in Philadelphia's Rittenhouse Square neighborhood. When Francis Drexel died in 1885, the family fortune was worth $15 million, the equivalent of about $250 million today. Though she and her two sisters were pursued by many suitors, Katharine was drawn to religious life. After she joined the Sisters of Mercy in Pittsburgh in 1889 at the age of 30, The Philadelphia Public Ledger ran the headline, ``Miss Drexel Enters a Catholic Convent -- Gives up Seven Million.'' The woman who once dressed in the finest fashions now stitched her torn shoelaces back together. ``She dedicated her life to ministering to African American and Native American people, which was by no means a popular thing to do at that time,'' Palmieri said. In 1891, she founded what was then called Blessed Sacrament Sisters for Indians and Colored People. The order's work was unpopular in the early years; undeterred, Mother Drexel urged the nuns to pray for those who opposed them. The Ku Klux Klan once threatened to burn one of the order's Southern schools and its church if the sisters didn't leave. ``Lightning struck the (KKK) headquarters and burned it to the ground,'' Palmieri said. In Mother Drexel's lifetime, the order established 12 American Indian schools and more than 100 rural and inner-city schools for blacks, including New Orleans' Xavier University, the only historically black Catholic college in the country. At its height, 550 women belonged to the order. Today there are about 260. The road to sainthood is a rough one. After an exhaustive scrutiny of the would-be saint's life, the case for sainthood is reviewed by the Vatican's Congregation for the Causes of Saints, which consists of about 25 cardinals and bishops. If the committee and the pope approve, the candidate is designated ``venerable.'' Then the search begins for two miracles, which are confirmed through interviews with witnesses, theologians and medical experts. The first miracle earns the candidate the title ``blessed'' and the second, ``saint.'' In 1987, Mother Drexel was declared ``venerable.'' In 1988, the Vatican confirmed Robert Gutherman was cured of deafness in one ear after praying to Mother Drexel. The church is
[CTRL] NWO vs Catholic Old World Order
-Caveat Lector- UN hits back at Vatican on Kosovo rape victims By Evelyn Leopold UNITED NATIONS, April 15 (Reuters) - The U.N. Population Fund on Thursday criticised the Vatican as insensitive to the suffering of Kosovo women because of its opposition to a ``morning-after pill'' for rape victims in refugee camps. ``I am surprised and disappointed at the Vatican's statement condemning the provision of emergency contraception to Kosovo refugees,'' said Dr Nafis Sadik, the UNFPA executive director. ``It shows an insensitivity to the suffering of the women of Kosovo,'' Sadik, a Pakistani physician, said in a statement. A senior Vatican official on Tuesday said the use of the ``morning-after'' pill was tantamount to abortion. Monsignor Elio Sgreccia, vice president of the Pontifical Academy for Life, reflecting the Vatican's position, called the pill a technique that should not be confused with a contraceptive. He made his comments in the Italian Roman Catholic daily newspaper Avvenire in reaction to UNFPA's announcement it had sent reproductive health kits to refugee camps in Albania that included the ``morning after'' pill. The Vatican's U.N. delegation last month also spoke out against using the pill, saying it involved chemicals used in abortions. Sadik said this was not the case: `` It's a form of oral contraceptive. Of course whether a woman will or not use it is a decision for her to make.'' She told a news conference too many people confused high-dosage birth control pills with the RU-486 pill that aborts a pregnancy and which UNFPA does not distribute. The multi-use UNFPA kits, which were shipped on April 8, included a variety of contraceptives as well as testing for sexually-transmitted diseases, equipment to deliver babies without medical facilities and equipment for medical personnel in complicated deliveries and blood transfusions. The kits are to provide emergency aid to some 350,000 women for three to six months. Sadik said relief agencies estimated some 20 births a day among the Kosovo refugee population. The kits also contained the ``morning-after pill,'' which prevents pregnancy when taken within 72 hours of sex but which is not considered an abortion pill by many health experts. Sadik said she was very concerned at reports of rape among the refugees, a reference to persistent reports that Serbian soldiers had gang-raped ethnic Albanian women at an army camp as they attempted to flee. Some were killed but some accounts from survivors are beginning to emerge. Sadik said UNFPA was not on the ``front lines'' in the refugee camps but had distributed the kits to the U.N. refugee agencies, Albanian government health services and Red Cross societies, where they were in demand. She said UNFPA surveys in Kosovo before the NATO military strikes showed there was little knowledge of contraceptives and that abortion was used instead. The Vatican, during the Bosnian war, also objected to any kind of abortion that would terminate pregnancies of rape victims, mainly Moslem women. It says it is important to distinguish between violence suffered and human beings who have begun a new life. International Pro-Life Group Condemns UN: Demands US Stop 'GlobalContraceptive Imperialism' FRONT ROYAL, Va., April 19 /PRNewswire/ -- Fr. Richard Welch, CSSR, JCD, President of Human Life International (HLI), today condemned the decision by the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) to send so-called "emergency reproductive kits" to the refugees fleeing the bloodshed in Kosovo. "Under the guise of 'humanitarian effort' population controllers at the UN are found once again working in tandem with the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) to promote their insidious shared agenda of waging war against minority women and children throughout the world. They are now conducting global contraceptive imperialism on a massive scale," Welch said. "The displaced refugees are in need of emergency food, clean water, shelter and medical assistance -- not suction machines, abortifacient devices or drugs such as the 'morning-after pill,' which actually causes an abortion to take place. By lying in bed with Planned Parenthood the UN has demonstrated its disregard for the religious preferences of the Kosovo refugees, most of whom are Muslims who strictly oppose abortion and artificial contraception," Welch added. This week the US House of Representatives votes on renewed US funding measures for the UNFPA. Tacked on as an amendment to the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, H.R. 1211, the funding request received bipartisan support last Wednesday when the International Relations Committee approved it by a vote of 23 to 17. The bill faces stronger opposition in the full House this week as officials of the Catholic Church and various pro-life groups are already criticizing the UNFPA decision to promote abortion and artificial birth control among the Albanian refugees. The Vatican roundly condemned the
Re: [CTRL] Lone Nuts Catch War Fever ?
-Caveat Lector- As to "lone nuts," good implication. Will they turn out to be Serb terrorists? Brian Redman Editor, CNNS On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- Two Gunmen Open Fire in Colo. H.S. By ROBERT WELLER .c The Associated Press LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) -- Two young men dressed in long, black trench coats opened fire in a suburban high school today, scattering students as gunshots ricocheted off lockers, witnesses said. At least three students were injured, one student said. There were also reports of explosions in the school, which was ringed by ambulances and police officers at lunchtime. snip April 18 -- BELGRADE (Reuters) - ... A British newspaper, the Observer, said Sunday NATO was laying plans for a ground invasion, perhaps as early as the end of May. It said 80,000 troops had been earmarked for the operation and that some American soldiers had already started training in Colorado. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fw: End Arbitrary Access to the Voting Boo...
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I don't feel sorry for criminals, think about the suffering they impose on others, their victims. They take property, beat people and even kill them many times without regret ... regret that they got caught, but not regret for their victims. Most prisoners are incarcerated for non violent drug offences. End Prohibition now! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: THE NON-JEWS BEHIND KOSOVO]
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The American team behind the Yugoslav War have Jewish names and look very Jewish. This is a sad and humiliating fact...and it shouldn't take the anti-semites long to make a few associations and call the bloodletting in the Balkans a Jewish plot. However, if a plot exists, it is being managed by the very antithesis of Judaism, those who have abandoned Judaism for good. FWIW, Karl Marx also fell into this category of "conversos" (Jewish families who had converted to Christianity), as were something like four out of the first six Superiors General of the Society of Jesus. (Sorry, I can only remember Loyola and his first successor, Diego Laynez. Laynez, however, came from a converso family.) Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New issue of Paranoia out . . .
-Caveat Lector- It's not sold where I live; do you know where I can send for it? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Balkania: Reportage: 04-20-99
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis Behind the attacks on veteran journalist John Simpson British government criticises BBC for its war coverage By Stuart Nolan and Barbara Slaughter 20 April 1999 Senior British government officials have denounced John Simpson, the BBC World Affairs Editor, for his supposedly "biased reports" about the impact NATO's bombing is having on Belgrade. He has been accused of being "pro-Serb" and part of the "Milosevic propaganda offensive" for citing Serbian sources regarding the numbers of civilian casualties and damage caused by the NATO bombardment. Simpson is also charged with having been "grossly simplistic" by suggesting that ordinary Serbs were putting aside their differences with Milosevic to oppose the bombing. The Times newspaper on Saturday April 17 describes private discussions in which officials used "strong language" against the veteran BBC reporter. The unnamed government sources describe Simpson's work as falling short of the "expected standards" of a leading journalist. Labour Party ministers are said to be preparing to make a formal complaint to the BBC over reports by Simpson and other BBC journalists. In an earlier criticism about BBC coverage of the war, a Foreign Office official said, "The newspapers have been very supportive, but we are getting massacred by the broadcasters."( Observer, March 28). Simpson is one of the few British journalists remaining in Belgrade. He has relayed reports about what he has seen and heard. What is it that Downing Street objects to? On March 28, in a report entitled "Life under fire in Belgrade", Simpson stated, "But Serbs do not have to be ordered out of their schools or hospitals or factories to go and demonstrate against the West, as happens in Iraq. Here the feeling is genuine and it can break out at any moment." (BBC News Online) Simpson's report contradicts NATO's predictions that the bombing campaign would strengthen opposition to Milosevic. Simpson has warned of the dangers of demonising the Serbs and the consequences of ignoring the history of the region. In a broadcast from Pristina on April 8, he reported that an attack on a local oil depot had destroyed the city's heating system. He added, "The worst damage is in the city centre. A telecommunications centre has taken a direct hit, and round about it other large modern buildings have been badly damaged--a bank, a social security office and a public library." A question-and-answer programme with Simpson, hosted by BBC News Online, attracted 2 million visitors on April 14. The journalist explained, "I've spoken to a wide range of people here, many of whom took part in the 88 days of demonstrations against Milosevic two years ago, and they have all said that the bombing has put them behind him." The campaign against Simpson began on the same evening that NATO spokesmen were denying responsibility for the bombing of Albanian refugee convoys. When introducing the news footage of the attack, Simpson pointed out that the Serbian authorities would not have allowed him onto the scene if they were not confident of the facts. A previous report from Simpson that NATO jets had destroyed a passenger train on a bridge near Leskovac was later confirmed. Forced to finally admit NATO's responsibility for this attack on civilians, Cabinet officials aimed their fury at the veteran BBC journalist. He came under similar attacks by the former Tory government for his broadcasts from Iraq in the 1990 Gulf War. Earlier this year, during the renewed bombing of Iraq, Alistair Campbell (Tony Blair's Chief Press Secretary), Defence Secretary George Robertson, and Foreign Secretary Robin Cook all lodged formal complaints about the BBC's coverage. In the first week of NATO bombing of Serbia, BBC Newsnight presenter Jeremy Paxman and John Humphrys of BBC Radio Four's Today Programme were also criticised. Downing Street officials advised Prime Minister Blair to pull out of a planned interview with Paxman, in what amounted to a formal protest, because they objected to his "sceptical tone". Humphrys was attacked for his regular use of the word "mess" when discussing NATO strategy during an interview with George Robertson. In another interview, Robertson objected when Paxman said that "bombing Milosevic to the negotiating table" had failed. Robertson cut short the interview. Simpson defends himself Simpson has received many international awards for his war journalism. His colleagues at the BBC have defended him. Richard Ayre, deputy chief executive of BBC News, said, "It is important that audiences are given a true account of the public mood in Belgrade, not simply an account of what NATO governments might prefer to hear." (The Times, April 16) In the Guardian of April 17 Simpson defended himself, saying, "Impartiality of telling what's happening in front of you is bred into me. I've been in the BBC for 34 years now. I know how to
[CTRL] Right vs Feminism
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.faseweb.org/young2.html Victimizers: The Right's Confusion About Feminism by Cathy Young (reprinted from the 12 April 1999 issue of The New Republic) This ought to be a giddy moment for conservative critics of feminism. The Clinton scandals have left the women's movement reeling. For one thing, the fervor with which many of the movement's leaders stuck by President Clinton has exposed their willingness to sacrifice cherished feminist principles--for instance, that women who accuse men of sexual misconduct must be believed and supported--to politics. Meanwhile, the scandal has prompted many Americans to question those principles themselves, particularly the notion that personal behavior is necessarily political. The time is ripe, it would seem, for conservatives to offer an appealing alternative. So why haven't they managed to do so? The trouble is that they are mired in a web of contradictions of their own, resulting in a muddled vision of relations between men and women that, ironically, is plagued by the same logical inconsistencies as that of the feminists. At the heart of the conservative quandary is the movement's inability to come to terms with women's new roles. Notwithstanding the presence of many capable conservative women in public life, ambivalent if not hostile attitudes toward women's non-domestic pursuits remain alive and well on the right. While some conservatives have cited women's advancement in the workplace--particularly in the Reagan-Bush years--as proof of the beneficence of markets, prominent conservative commentator David Frum, for instance, suggests in his 1994 book "Dead Right" that the very Reagan policies that helped "goose the job market and thus entice women to work outside the home" contributed to family breakdown. True, most conservatives have amended "a woman's place is in the home" to "a mother's place is at home while the children are young." And, of course, not all concerns about the welfare of children in dual-earner families are an expression of "backlash" (though there is plenty of unwarranted alarmism on the subject). But the respectable right is a bit too hospitable to extreme screeds that have less to do with worries about children than with anxieties about gender. Two years ago, the Wall Street Journal editorial page actually published an article by Harvard government professor Harvey Mansfield complaining that "manliness is endangered by women having equal access to jobs outside the home." The 1997 book Domestic Tranquility by F. Carolyn Graglia, which warned that the assertiveness and the "analytical mind" required by careers warp women's sexual and maternal natures, received glowing reviews in the conservative press and dust-jacket blurbs from such luminaries as Midge Decter and William Kristol. A few years ago, after the publication of Christina Hoff Sommers's critique of feminist radicalism, Who Stole Feminism?: How Women Have Betrayed Women" (1994), it seemed that conservatives were ready to embrace Sommers's moderate "equity feminism" that supported women's new roles but rejected victimhood and gender warfare. In some ways, though, it was never a comfortable fit. To many conservatives, the female gains Sommers hailed as "a great American success story" are more of an American tragedy. While Sommers stressed the good fortunes of modern women and accused feminists of exaggerating their miseries, it is at least as fashionable among conservatives to argue that women today are miserable. That's the premise of the two critiques of feminism wowing the right this year: Wendy Shalit's A Return to Modesty: Discovering the Lost Virtue and Danielle Crittenden's What Our Mothers Didn't Tell Us: Why Happiness Eludes the Modern Woman. In the traditionalist view, of course, women's distress is the result of social changes brought about by feminism. Because single women are now free to have premarital sex, men don't want to commit to marriage; because it's now normal for wives and mothers to hold jobs, women lucky enough to find husbands still have to work due to cultural and economic pressures when they'd rather stay home; and, because of liberal divorce laws, women can never be secure in their marriages. This pessimistic view may be a part of the cultural right' growing general gloom about American society. But it probably bears about the same relation to reality as the feminist view that discrimination and bias against women are running rampant in America. To state the obvious, the vast majority of men and women still marry, though they do so later than men and women did a generation ago. The "why buy the cow when the milk is free?" theory of sex and marriage--championed by many of the same conservatives who complain about the loss of romance in our culture--is not only unromantic but unrealistic. Crittenden, who espouses this theory, undercuts it with some of her own observations: about panicky thirtysomething single women who
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference]
-Caveat Lector- "Dennis, Andrew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Had Edision had his way, we would have been on the DC system with step-up generators every 5-6 miles, throughout the country. Thank God for the vision of George Westinghouse, who fully supported Tesla and his 60 cycle AC power generation. and: Edison and Tesla had a falling out; Edison was a humanitarian.Tesla and Westinghouse hand in hand, produced the first Electric Chair...this resulted in Edison calling in the Westinghouse Chair no, Edison invented the electric chair (which uses alternating current) as a method of execution to demonstrate that AC was "far more dangerous" than DC. Y'see, because Tesla had the patents for the induction motors and generators you need to make cheap AC, Edison couldn't get his snout in the trough that Westinghouse (Tesla's employer) was gobbling from. Because AC is cheaper to produce and distribute, it was cheaper to the customer and therefore more commercially successful. So Edison tried to get it banned on safety grounds (broadly equivalent, in logical terms, to getting north-bound roads banned as inherently less safe than south-bound roads)... Andrew Edison's image as "the Great Inventor" was carefully manufactured--by himself. As far as I can tell, the man never actually invented anything himself except maybe the lightbulb. Everything else he stole from his assistants, with absolutely no attribution or remuneration. Just goes to show...if you keep pulling the wool over people's eyes long enough, eventually they come to think the world actually *looks* that way. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: FEAR: Motorist surrenders $35,000 to deputies (KS)
I think this is so interesting. Apparently we have bomb dogs, drug dogs and now we have currency dogs. Prudy Motorist surrenders $35,000 to deputies By TIM HRENCHIR The Capital-Journal EMPORIA -- Interstate 35, a notorious pipeline for drug traffickers, is also an expensive toll road. A motorist from Texas with $35,000 strapped around his waist can bear testament. A Lyon County sheriff's deputy stopped the man for speeding at about 11:40 p.m. Friday five miles east of Emporia. For reasons not made public, a deputy with a police dog from nearby Coffey County was summoned. The dog alerted deputies to something suspicious around the El Paso man's waist, according to a news release read by a Lyon County sheriff's dispatcher Saturday. SNIP The news release made no mention of illegal drugs or other contraband. The dispatcher simply said the driver was questioned, then released. The news release didn't say whether he was cited for speeding. SNIP Lyon County deputies weren't saying Saturday whether they thought the seized money came from a drug deal. Numerous drug seizures have been made in recent years on I-35, which Kansas Highway Patrol officials say has become a pipeline for drug traffickers moving shipments to the northern United States from the South and Mexico. SNIP http://cjonline.com/stories/041999/kan_moneytaken.shtml To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the body: UNSUBSCRIBE FEAR-list
Re: [CTRL] Serb Terrorists Attack School?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/20/99 3:59:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Black trenchcoats? Grenade launcher? This sounds like more than the average Manchurian candidate set loose. Will the gunmen turn out to be "Serb terrorists"? Are we having fun yet? Brian Redman Editor, CNNS No we're not having any fun at all. And if we keep bombing nations du jour without just cause or provocation, that's precisely what we can expect. Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Serb Terrorists Attack School?
-Caveat Lector- At 02:59 PM 4/20/99 -0500, Brian Redman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Black trenchcoats? Grenade launcher? This sounds like more than the average Manchurian candidate set loose. Will the gunmen turn out to be "Serb terrorists"? Are we having fun yet? I'm watching this sordid episode live on Denver channel 9. The Swat team just went in and dozens of students poured out of the school building. Some students jumped into the back of a police cruiser and took off real fast. It appears about 18 students have been shot/injured, thus far, some shot with _shotguns_, as spoken by a spokesperson at one of the area hospitals. The three _trenchcoat_ gunmen are still in the Columbine High School. --- "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Serb Terrorists Attack School?
-Caveat Lector- At 04:50 PM 4/20/99 -0400, Jim Yester wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/20/99 3:59:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Black trenchcoats? Grenade launcher? This sounds like more than the average Manchurian candidate set loose. Will the gunmen turn out to be "Serb terrorists"? Are we having fun yet? Brian Redman Editor, CNNS No we're not having any fun at all. And if we keep bombing nations du jour without just cause or provocation, that's precisely what we can expect. Channel 9 news in Denver is reporting (grain of salt time) that the shooters are students at the school. Still some confusion at this point about the exact number of students shot/injured. No fatalities reported. One report was of a girl who was shot 8 times. Who wants to take bets that someone will put pressure on increasing gun control measures because of this shooting? --- "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] North Korean Buyout
-Caveat Lector- The May 3, l999 issue of "The Nation" has a very interesting article. The title is as the subject of this posting and is on pages 3 and 4. One really fascinating paragraph says in part, "This must have discomfited hard-liners in the Pentagon, who have been provoking trouble over Korea policy for months, seeking to kill two birds with one stone--to destroy the l994 agreement and thereby stick another knife in the President. The leading malefactor is Gen. Patrick Hughes, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, who likes to leak classified information to right-wing Republicans. . . . It goes on from there. No wonder the Pentagon was so nice to Linda Tripp--flex time, great job, very high pay. She obviously has more friends in high places than we realized. Maybe the Pentagon is doing its own thing. Perhaps Gen. Hughes is getting ready to lead a coup. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell
-Caveat Lector- Hi, CTRL! Hilly Rose is having me on the Art Bell show tonight from 1AM to 5AM Central Standard Time. There's a link to Bell at the Steamshovel site (http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma), plus news of my next lecture, Wayne Henderson on Kalifornia prisons, Acharya S on the X-rated Bible--a general update of the site. I haven't had a chance to do that for a while becuase I've been working on a new Gemstone book. So have a listen and call-in tonight. kt DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [FTC] Fast-Track to the Poor-House...
Dear Friends, We are on the fast-track to free-trading ourselves into the poor-house -- read on - fyi PS - Also attached is a trade deficit chart sent in by Dr. Charles McMillion. Its in pdf format. Get the Adobe Acrobat reader if needed -- its free: http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html For the Cause - Linda Linda, Found this to be disturbing. -Mark Mead Trade gap hits record $19.4 billion U.S. exports again fall while imports jump to all-time high ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON, April 20 Americas trade deficit soared to a record $19.4 billion in February as the global financial crisis depressed U.S. exports for a fourth straight month while booming consumer demand pushed imports to an all-time high. The Commerce Department reported Tuesday that Februarys deficit was 15.6 percent higher than the previous record, a $16.8 billion imbalance in January. IN FEBRUARY, U.S. exports edged down 0.6 percent to $76.6 billion, led by a $927 million decline in sales of commercial aircraft. Imports jumped 2.3 percent to an all-time high of $96 billion as demand for foreign cars, clothing, toys, televisions and stereos soared. With back-to-back records, the trade deficit so far this year is running at an annual rate of $215 billion, far surpassing last years all-time high of $169 billion. Economists believe that as long as the U.S. economy remains strong and many of Americas major export markets remain in recessions caused by the steep plunge in financial markets that began in Asia in July 1997, the U.S. trade deficit will continue to rise. A widening trade deficit is the one cloud on an otherwise bright economic horizon for the United States, which has managed to remain what Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has termed an oasis of prosperity in a sea of economic trouble around the world. Greenspan, however, expressed concerns last week about a growing movement toward protectionism in this country, a development that has the White House worried as well. The administration is concerned that erecting U.S. trade barriers will trigger copycat responses while jittery markets are fearful that political pressures will make nations turn inward in response to the worst global economic crisis in 50 years. President Clinton, worried about a growing protectionist mood in Congress, balked earlier this month at reaching a sweeping trade agreement with China. That disappointed many in the business community who have complained for years about Chinas high trade barriers. For February, the deficit with China narrowed slightly to $4.6 billion. But Americas deficit with Japan shot up 13.1 percent to $5.3 billion. The administration is pursing a number of trade negotiations with Japan in hopes of showing progress in opening that market to U.S. firms by the time of Prime Minister Keizo Obuchis visit next month. In one bright spot, Americas surplus in services, which includes such things as tourism and consulting fees, rose 4 percent to a monthly record of $6.7 billion. The surplus in services, however, did little to dent a record $26.2 billion deficit in the goods area. U.S. exporters continued to find it hard to make overseas sales because of an economic crisis that has pushed one- third of the global economy into recession. The February drop in exports included a $130 million decline in farm sales, to $3.6 billion, with the drop led by falling shipments of soybeans and wheat. American farmers, who grow one-third of their crops for export, are suffering their worst times in a decade. In addition to commercial aircraft, manufactured exports of telecommunications equipment and electric generators also dropped in February. On the import side, foreign shipments of autos and automotive parts rose to a record $14.6 billion, up $710 million for the month. Other increases included computer accessories, up $449 million; clothing, up $202 million; toys, up $156 million; and televisions and VCRs, up $150 million. Americas deficit with Mexico climbed to a record $1.8 billion in February while U.S. exports to Brazil, which became the latest victim of the global currency turmoil in January, dropped to $910 million, the lowest level since April 1996. - end FOR MORE NEWS VISIT OUR SITE: http://www.theamericancause.org * Please feel free to forward this email across the USA! * Join our free "FTC" - FOR THE CAUSE - List!!! Go to: http://www.theamericancause.org/cause_listserve.html --- *** ISSUES *** *** ISSUES *** *** ISSUES *** The American Cause Internet Headquarters Web: http://www.theamericancause.org
Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell
-Caveat Lector- At 04:41 PM 4/20/99 -0500, Kenn Thomas wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hi, CTRL! Hilly Rose is having me on the Art Bell show tonight from 1AM to 5AM Central Standard Time. There's a link to Bell at the Steamshovel site (http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma), plus news of my next lecture, Wayne Henderson on Kalifornia prisons, Acharya S on the X-rated Bible--a general update of the site. I haven't had a chance to do that for a while becuase I've been working on a new Gemstone book. I wish you success on the new Gemstone book. However, I MUST question your sanity for appearing on the Art Bell show. Are you that desparate for exposure? Bell is a certifiable idiot, a liar and a front line shill for the NWO. Why don't you appear on Gary Aldrich's radio show instead? At least Aldrich has credibility, something that Fart Smell will never have. --- "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NJ AG Admits State Police Target Minorities
-Caveat Lector- http://www.phillynews.com/99/Apr/20/race20.htm Tuesday, April 20, 1999 15:30 EDT Report acknowledges racial profiling By Thomas Martello INQUIRER STAFF WRITER N.J. troopers indicted in racial-profiling probe TRENTON -- Charges that the New Jersey State Police target minority motorists when making traffic stops are "real, not imagined," an interim report released by the state Attorney General's office today concludes. The report acknowledges "disparate" treatment of minority motorists by the State Police and that some troopers have engaged in the practice known as racial profiling. In a related matter, state Attorney Peter Verniero said the state will drop its appeal of a 1996 Gloucester County Court decision asserting that troopers demonstrated race bias in making arrests along the New Jersey Turnpike in southern New Jersey. The court decision, which could affect dozens of pending criminal cases, found evidence of racial profiling. "We don't agree with everything that was said in that case, but in view of the report and our statistical analysis, the appeal is no longer appropriate," Verniero said. The interim report stresses that "the great majority of state troopers are honest, dedicated professionals" and that state police policy does not encourage racial profiling. "Despite these efforts . . . minority motorists have been treated differently than non-minority motorists during the course of traffic stops on the New Jersey Turnpike," the report says. "We conclude the problem of disparate treatment is real -- not imagined." The report says a small number of troopers have engaged in "willful misconduct" by breaking with standard operating procedures. More troopers, however, are guilty of "possible de facto discrimination," its says, noting that officers tend to treat minority motorists differently during traffic stops because they are "influenced by stereotypes." "It does say that minorities are subject to disparate treatment, and that obviously is a disturbing finding," Verniero said. The report on New Jersey Turnpike stops concludes that while six out of 10 motorists stopped are white, minorities are far more likely to be subjected to searches and aggressive treatment by troopers. The statistics show 77.2 percent of motorist searches were of black or Hispanics, while only 21.4 percent were made of white motorists. The 111-page report suggests a series of changes to remedy the problem, including establishment of a clear policy stating that race, ethnicity and national origin may not be considered by state police in deciding who to stop. It also recommends that state police issue quarterly statistical reports on the race of motorists who get stopped and monitor troopers' traffic stop activity more closely. State police leaders have consistently argued that the agency does not engage in racial profiling. The issue cost state police Superintendent Col. Carl Williams his job earlier this year and threatens to affect the political fate of both Whitman, who is expected to run for the U.S. Senate, and Verniero, who has been nominated for the New Jersey Supreme Court. The report was released one day after state officials announced official misconduct indictments against the two troopers involved in last year's controversial shooting along the Turnpike in Mercer County. Troopers John Hogan and James Kenna allegedly made false statements about the race of motorists they pulled over. Such data was being gathered in a state police traffic stop survey prompted by the 1996 court decision. Authorities said the indictments against Hogan and Kenna were not directly related to their involvement in the shooting near Exit 7A. Three young minority men were wounded when the troopers fired 11 shots at their van. The troopers said the van had backed up toward them suddenly. Lawyers for Hogan and Kenna have said the pair are being used as scapegoats in the broader debate over racial profiling. The indictments against Hogan and Kenna may prompt the courts to dismiss criminal charges against 26 minority defendants arrested by the two troopers in the past two years. Attorneys representing those suspects said prosecutors will be reluctant to call Hogan and Kenna as witnesses now that they face charges themselves. ©1999 Philadelphia Newspapers Inc. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN
[CTRL] Possibly 25 killed in Denver-area school shooting; 2 suspects dead
-Caveat Lector- Possibly 25 killed in Denver-area school shooting; 2 suspects dead Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press List of recent school shootings http://www.nandotimes.com/front/story/0,1108,40330-65071-472488-1,00.html LITTLETON, Colo. (April 20, 1999 6:35 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Three young men dressed in fatigues and black trench coats opened fire in a suburban high school Tuesday, scattering students as gunshots ricocheted off lockers in what police called a suicide mission. Jefferson County Sheriff John Stone said 25 people may have been killed. Two suspects were found dead inside the library hours later, he said. He said the gunman who were found dead in the library at Columbine High School were students. "It appears to be a suicide mission," Stone said. It was not immediately known if the others killed were students or teachers, police said. Explosions also were heard in the school, and police said they had to search for bombs, slowing them down as they looked for victims. Some 4 1/2-hours later, police led away a student from the school in handcuffs. "He's one of the ones who shot at us," said Chris Wisher, another student. Police had no immediate comment. Nearly two hours after the 11:30 a.m. shooting, SWAT team members entered the building and 15 to 20 students fled. The frightened students ran out with their hands in the air and were later frisked by police. Several other groups of youths ran from the school in the following hours after an armored car was brought to an entrance for cover. SWAT team members searching the building were able to see some wounded students but couldn't reach them because the area wasn't secure, said Steve Davis, spokesman for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office. Television images, broadcast nationwide, showed police cars and ambulances at a staging area near the school, and helmeted officers in camouflage gear. At one point, a bloodied young man dangled from a second- floor window, his right arm limp, and was helped down by two SWAT team members. His condition was not immediately known. "We believe there are a few more victims," Davis said earlier. "We're hearing from deputies who can see from their vantage points more victims." One student, Kami Vest, called her father as she hid in the school with 30 other students. "They have been able to call out on a cell phone and tell us they are OK," Dale Vest said. He said at midafternoon that she remained in hiding. President Clinton asked Americans to pray for the students, parents and teachers. Shortly after the school was stormed, three youths wearing black were stopped by police in a field near the school. The Colorado Bureau of Investigation told KUSA-TV the three were friends of the gunmen and were taken in for questioning. Some witnesses said there were two gunmen and the shootings took place around the school, including the cafeteria and library. "At first we just though they were firecrackers until we saw the guns come out of the trench coats," said student Justin Woods. "They walked down the stairs and they started shooting people," said another student, who gave her name as Janine. "We didn't think it was real and then we saw blood." Her voice broke with anguish as she spoke. She said it was two young men, wearing black trench coats. "They were shooting people and throwing grenades and stuff. ... Me and my friends got to my car and drove off," she said. Bob Sapin, another student, also said the gunmen were all in black, in trench coats and masks. "When they started walking down the hallway, I ran and I ran and I hid in the bushes," he said. Eight to 10 students in the school wear black trench coats every day, students said. Josh Nielsen said they are known as the "Trench Coat Mafia." Another student, Jason Greer, called them "jerks." "They are really strange, but I've never seen them do anything violent," he said. Sean Kelly, a 16-year-old junior, said members of the group kept to themselves and were "kind of gothic. They are wearing dusters. They wear them every day, all black clothing." "They're into guns and stuff like that," he added. At the adjacent Clement Park, students were shaking and crying as parents searched to find their children. Police helicopters whirled overhead and hundreds of police officers patrolled the area and a nearby park. At least 19 people were taken to hospitals, including a girl who suffered nine gunshot wounds to the chest. Kari Mackecher, spokesman for HealthOne, which runs Swedish Hospital, said four students were taken there, all in serious condition but conscious, and a fifth was en route. Five other hospitals reported getting 14 people, at least one of them in critical condition. The 20th injured person was the young man taken out of the school window at midafternoon. Denver and Littleton police, and Jefferson County and Arapahoe sheriff's deputies were helping on the scene. Columbine High is in
[CTRL] Balkans: Seriously / IV-F
-Caveat Lector- From National Review Get Serious Steps to victory in Kosovo. ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI Mr. Brzezinski, national security advisor to President Carter, is counselor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. ON April 23, NATO is scheduled to hold in Washington a huge celebration of its fiftieth anniversary. If by then the conflict over Kosovo is still on, the meeting will provide an opportunity for a council of war -- yes, it is a war -- and for a reaffirmation of NATO's commitment to prevail. If by then NATO has won, the event will be a true celebration. If, however, NATO has embraced a negotiated settlement that yields to Slobodan Milosevic some concession over what NATO demanded just prior to the bombing, it will be a wake. The stakes now involve far more than the fate of Kosovo. They were altered dramatically the day the bombing began. It is no exaggeration to say that NATO's failure to prevail would mean both the end of NATO as a credible alliance and the undermining of America's global leadership. And the consequences of either would be devastating to global stability. It is instructive to pause here and ask, Who endorses the use of force to stop the ethnic killing and cleansing in Kosovo, and who opposes it? All of NATO's 19 democracies stand united (even if a couple are wobbly), and all of Europe's other democracies are generally supportive. Violently opposed are the erratic admirer of Hitler in Belarus and the current Russian regime, which failed in Chechnya in what Milosevic is attempting to do in Kosovo. Two visions of the European future are thus colliding: one that views Europe as a community genuinely bound by a shared respect for human rights, and one that believes ruling national elites have the sovereign right to engage even in a type of genocide against their minorities. Ill-wishers of America and Europe understand this well. A leading Moscow newspaper (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, on March 25) gloated openly -- while also informing the Clinton administration where the Kremlin really stands -- that the crisis initiates "the epoch of the collapse of the U.S. global empire and, evidently, the epoch of Europe's final eclipse." It went on to urge Russia "to just sit on the fence, saying all the necessary things and watching NATO destroy itself." So far, the administration has done very well in keeping NATO together. But it has not done as well on the military level, and its political fortitude is questionable. During the first three weeks, NATO's air campaign against Serbia was timid and morally irresponsible. Sadly, there has been a failure to react in a timely fashion to the bestial treatment inflicted on the defenseless Kosovars. Though the ethnic cleansing undeniably predated the bombing, it was accelerated after the bombing started. The White House team cannot escape responsibility for the failure to do at least the minimum possible to impede the victimization of the Kosovars. It is simply incomprehensible why the needed attack helicopters were not assembled before the air operation was launched. Did it not occur to any senior official that Serbian forces would move against the Kosovars? Why were the helicopters denied to NATO commanders for some ten days after the operation started, with the entire world watching the mass expulsions and learning also of large-scale executions? A strong tactical air assault against Milosevic's ground forces should have been launched from Day One, even at the risk of losses. It is painful to imagine young Albanians desperately scanning the skies before being either raped or shot. Moreover, the bombing has been conducted in a manner that defies even the most elementary notions of human psychology under conditions of war. Instead of shocking and intimidating the opponent, the air campaign has striven to avoid casualties not only to allied airmen but even to Milosevic's officials, thereby inoculating the Serbs against fear of bombing while mobilizing Serbian nationalist passions in support of the Belgrade dictator. Also noteworthy is that, paradoxically, the strategic bombardment of Serbian assets has been conducted as if its goal were the attrition of the Serbian army in preparation for a NATO ground campaign. But President Clinton ruled out the latter, and even into the third week of the bombing he continued to reassure Milosevic that the U.S. had no intention of engaging in ground combat. One cannot avoid the suspicion that political expediency was at work here, at a time when genuine leadership was needed. This self-denying posture has given Milosevic every incentive to hunker down and absorb the punishment from the skies, while completing his cleansing of Kosovo. Admittedly, a ground campaign cannot be launched instantly. It requires careful and deliberate
[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT-EXCLUSIVE 4/20/99
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: DRUDGE REPORT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 3:49 PM Subject: DRUDGE-REPORT-EXCLUSIVE 4/20/99 X DRUDGE REPORT X 04/20/99 16:59:33 ET X TRENCHCOAT MAFIA PLACED WARNING OF COMING SCHOOL MASSACRE ON AOL; GANG MAY HAVE PLANNED SHOOTING Members of a gang called TRENCHCOAT MAFIA may have been planning today's shooting at a suburban high school in Colorado. One user profile found on AMERICA ONLINE states: "Preparin' for the big april 20!! You'll all be sorry that day!" The AOL handle "LCaress" warns of the April 20 date. Another AOL member, using the handle "AzMstr17" warns about a fight against the "Power Boyz" -- and declares that "cOlUmBInE HigH ScHoOl SuCks". Member Name: Jessie Location: 7th layer of hell NeAr DeNver Yo' Birthdate: August 13, 1982 Sex: Male Marital Status: ToSsInG My bItCh QuEeN's SalAd Hobbies: hAnGinG PoPpErs ExTaSSeeY BoYYee Ya Ya FloCkO SEaGuLLs Yo yO Computers: RhYdIn RUlZ ThE LAnD UnDer hiS BlA C K BooTz Occupation: TRENCH COAT MAFIA iN Da HoUse BoYeEeeeEeeEEsss, hAnGiN, baNgInn, fStiNg, ToSSin Da' SAlAd Yo yO Personal Quote: "fIgHt Da PoWeR BoYz.. tReNcH CoAt MaFiA RULZ cOlUmBInE HigH ScHoOl SuCks One 10th-grader at the school says that he heard gunmen say "they were gonna kill all the jocks," seconds before one of them held a gun to his head. A student identifying himself as Aaron Cahon told KOA radio that he believes the gunmen belong to a group in the school known as the "Trenchcoat Mafia." A notice posted on the Internet on Tuesday read: "Greetings Gay Bikers, Today, a bunch of our fellow homosexuals at Columbine HS in Denver Colorado, known as the Trench Coat Mafia, decided that they had taken enough crap from the straight community that had been abusing them and have decided to take matters into their own hands. We should all applaud their bravery and hope that they can hold out as long as possible in their fight for gay people everywhere. We can only hope that they can turn this into the gay alamo and hold out for 13 days of glory. If they can hold out for two days I think gay bikers everywhere should considering riding into Denver as a relief force to fight alongside them. We need to show solidarity!!! Queen Jeff" [ The message is found at: http://x16.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=qs]/getdoc.xp?AN=468757180CONTEXT=924646229. 364052583hitnum=0 ] Jefferson County Sheriff John Stone said 25 people may have been killed in the shooting. Two suspects were found dead inside the library hours later, he said. The gunman who were found dead in the library at Columbine High School were students. "It appears to be a suicide mission," Stone told reporters. Developing... Filed by Matt Drudge Reports are moved when circumstances warrant http://www.drudgereport.com for steaks and breaks (c)DRUDGE REPORT 1999 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: MISC: Fwd: Y2K problems will linger for 30 months
Published Sunday, April 18, 1999 Y2K problems will linger for 30 months Steve Alexander / Star Tribune The script for Y2K is all wrong. Instead of Y2K failures occurring at midnight on Dec. 31, they will be spread over a 30-month period that will begin in July. So says the Gartner Group, a leading computer industry consulting firm based in Connecticut. This is revisionist stuff, since practically all Y2K scenarios to date have focused on the potential for serious computer failures at midnight on Dec. 31. But Gartner maintains that only 10 percent of Y2K failures will occur within two weeks of Jan. 1. In an interview, Dale Vecchio, a research director in Gartner Group's Y2K practice in Stamford, Conn., said his firm has been eyeing a multi-month Y2K impact since the middle of last year. But Gartner analysts have been frustrated that the public debate about Y2K has continued to focus on the Jan. 1 millennium date change, he said. "People haven't quite gotten it," Vecchio said. "They have been too focused on the single time boundary and not enough on what they may have to deal with before the time boundary occurs." Why should Y2K start in 1999 and stretch into 2001? In a recent speech in San Diego, Lou Marcoccio, another research director of Gartner's Y2K practice, said the causes will be forecasting software that looks six months into the future, the beginning of new fiscal years for many corporations and some "date-related anomalies in software code." The number of Y2K failures will increase further in October as forecasting software that looks three months ahead runs up against the Jan. 1, 2000, date and still more companies begin new fiscal years, Marcoccio said. In Gartner's view, 25 percent of Y2K computer failures will occur in 1999, 55 percent will occur in 2000 and 15 percent will occur in 2001. The other 5 percent occurred before 1999. While computer system failures will be spread throughout the 30-month period, the failures of devices containing embedded computer chips -- such as factory process control units or building temperature control systems -- will peak at midnight on Dec. 31, Gartner said. The research firm also predicted that 10 percent of all failures will last three days or longer. While Gartner's extended Y2K impact scenario is at odds with most discussions of Y2K impact, the company's leadership role in raising awareness of Y2K practically guarantees that its findings will not be ignored. Gartner has consistently been the leader in estimating the technical cost of Y2K and projects that the software costs alone will be $300 billion to $600 billion worldwide. Other analysts have estimated that related costs, including lawsuits, could push total Y2K expenses to $1 trillion. Vecchio said it's hard to say what specific kinds of computer failures will occur before Dec. 31 and which ones will occur afterward. But the root causes of the failures will be different, he said. During 1999, programs that look forward in time will be the primary sources of failure, Vecchio said. But after January, the problems probably will come from programs that deal with year-end 1999 corporate results and from programs that are used so seldom that their Y2K flaws won't become apparent until well into the year 2000. In addition, efforts to fix Y2K problems inevitably will introduce other software errors that will extend the impact of Y2K for many months, he said. Vecchio said that other post-Jan. 1 problems will be caused by "corrupted data" -- information that accumulates errors during data processing by Y2K-flawed software -- and new versions of packaged commercial software that have acquired Y2K flaws as they were upgraded to include new functions. Worldwide preparedness As part of the San Diego conference, Gartner also offered a worldwide snapshot of Y2K preparedness. It listed the countries that it believes are the most and least prepared for Y2K and predicted how bad things could be for those nations. The countries that Gartner said are most prepared for Y2K are the United States, Australia, Belgium, Bermuda, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, Ireland, Israel, Switzerland, Sweden and the United Kingdom. The nations in the second category are the Bahamas, Brazil, Chile, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Portugal, Singapore, Spain, Taiwan and Thailand, Gartner said. Less well off will be Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, the Dominican Republic, Egypt, Guatemala, India, Jamaica, Jordan, Kuwait, Malaysia, Panama, Poland, Puerto Rico, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Turkey, and United Arab Emirates, Venezuela and Yugoslavia, Gartner said. Worst off are Afghanistan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Chad, China, Costa Rica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Fiji, Haiti, Indonesia, Kenya, Laos, Lithuania, Morocco, Mozambique, Nepal, Nigeria, Pakistan, the
[CTRL] Littleton Atones For America's Guilt (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- LITTLETON ATONES FOR AMERICA'S GUILT (CNNS, 04/20/99) -- "Trouble here, trouble there. There's so much trouble in the air." [1] There has been trouble in the air here in the USA, consequent to mass-murder by USA-led NATO in the former Yugoslavia. "The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground." [2] Psycholgists label this "blood crying out from the ground" as "free floating anxiety." But they do not intuit the guilt that looks for a scapegoat. A troubling sense of guilt. A scapegoat needs must be found to carry away the guilt. In "primitive" times, a goat would symbolically carry the people's collective guilt off into the wilderness. We "moderns" scorn as superstitious old-time Biblical solutions. "But the man that is will shadow the man that pretends to be." [3] "The angry god is annoyed by a guilt that is not equally shared," writes Rene Girard in *The Scapegoat*. [4] The American guilt for its sins against Yugoslavia causes unease (anxiety) here at home. Like a game of musical chairs, all Americans dread that they will be "it." The people cling to their smiley-face mask: "Oh God, not me. Let it be someone else." And so, deep down (and you know it's true), we Americans breathe a sigh of relief when students are massacred at a high school in Littleton, Colorado. The guilt will not land on you or I (until it again builds up.) It has landed on Colorado high school students. Take a moment to relax. Musical chairs has not chosen you -- this time. The youngsters of the Columbine High School have atoned for our collective sins against Yugoslavia. But take it to the bank: musical chairs music is about to start again. America's collective guilt will recommence its search for scapegoats. Don't throw away that smiley face; the blood still cries out from the ground. Learn to blend in with the herd. That (they say) is safest. Shocked? "The victim is sacred," writes Girard in another book. It is criminal to kill the victim, "but the victim is sacred only because he is to be killed." [5] The victims of the Columbine High School massacre are elevated to sainthood. We all (for the moment) breathe a sigh of relief: they have atoned for our sins. UNTIL NEXT TIME. I faintly hear musical chairs music playing, in the background. --- Notes --- [1] From old blues song. [2] Genesis 4:10 [3] "Choruses From 'The Rock'", by T.S. Eliot [4] *The Scapegoat* by Rene Girard. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1986. ISBN: 0-8018-3917-3. [5] *Violence and the Sacred* by Rene Girard. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1979. ISBN: 0-8018-2218-1. -- CNNS (Conspiracy Nation News Service) is an INDEPENDENT news outlet, not owned by anyone. (But of course, we would say that, wouldn't we?) BEWARE THE CFR! BEWARE THE CIA! BEWARE THE KNIGHTS! http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cnns.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Balkan Fringe: Turkey: 04-20-99
-Caveat Lector- From LA Times "Founded in the early 1960s by a charismatic former army colonel, Alparslan Turkes, the Gray Wolves exalt the "pure Turk" over all other ethnic groups. " Hmmm ... Tuesday, April 20, 1999 Turkey's Gray Wolves Nip at Heels of Power Elections: With 90% of ballots tallied, ultra-nationalists pull within 3 seats of premier's party. By AMBERIN ZAMAN, Special to The Times ANKARA, Turkey--In December 1978, Turkey's Kahramanmaras province exploded in street fighting between left-wing and right-wing extremists that set the stage for a 1980 military coup and haunted the country for years. Most of the violence was blamed on an ultranationalist paramilitary group, the Gray Wolves. Now, after decades on the fringes of Turkey's turbulent politics, the Gray Wolves have made a leap into the mainstream. They are vying for electoral power in the wake of a remarkable showing in Sunday's parliamentary elections. Capitalizing on a mood of resurgent nationalism, the Gray Wolves, formally known as the Nationalist Action Party, were running a close second Monday to Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit's Party of the Democratic Left. With 90% of the vote tallied, the race could go either way. Before the voting, the Gray Wolves were given little chance of breaking the 10% minimum required to hold seats in the 550-member parliament. But they polled 18% of the vote to win 130 seats so far--4 percentage points and three seats behind the Democratic Left. When no party wins an absolute majority, Turkey's president traditionally empowers the party with the most seats to form a coalition government. "We were hoping to do well," said Nationalist Action Party leader Devlet Bahceli, "but not quite like this." Party supporters across Turkey celebrated in the streets by flashing the wolf sign--bringing down their two middle fingers to join their thumbs in a figurative lupine snout and lifting their two other fingers to look like wolf ears. The wolf is a symbol of nationalism inspired by the ancient legend of Asena, the mythological she-wolf who led the Turks out of Central Asia's arid steppes into what is now Turkey. Political analysts see a direct link between the party's rise and the European Union's rejection of Turkey's bid for full membership two years ago. European objections to Turkey's human rights record, armed occupation of Cyprus and military campaign against ethnic Kurds who seek self-rule fired nationalist sentiment. Ecevit and the Gray Wolves both benefited from Turkey's wounded pride, analysts say. Ecevit earned his nationalist credentials during his first stint as prime minister, when he ordered the 1974 invasion of Cyprus. Ecevit is also credited with the capture of Kurdish guerrilla chief Abdullah Ocalan two months ago, but the Gray Wolves helped their cause by demanding Ocalan's execution. "What most Turks want," said Ayse Ayata, a sociologist at Ankara's Middle East Technical University, "is a leader who is honest and can stand up to the West. Both Ecevit and Bahceli are perceived as such." Founded in the early 1960s by a charismatic former army colonel, Alparslan Turkes, the Gray Wolves exalt the "pure Turk" over all other ethnic groups. At the height of the Cold War, the army used the Gray Wolves as a violent counterweight to Turkish Communists. The party's coffers swelled with secret contributions from the government. By the late 1970s, the Gray Wolves had spun out of state control. Their paramilitary wing fought a campaign against leftist rivals that killed nearly 6,000 people. Ali Agca, who shot Pope John Paul II in a 1981 assassination attempt, is alleged to have been affiliated with the party. Banned with other parties for seven years after the 1980 coup, the Gray Wolves bounced back with a popular issue in the 1990s, calling for a revived Turkish empire embracing newly independent Central Asian states of the former Soviet Union. But the party lost support as some of its members allegedly became involved in drug-trafficking, gun-running, extortion and killings of Kurdish dissidents. Prosecutors cracked down in late 1996, forcing Turkes to start purging extremists. The cleanup accelerated after his death in 1997, when Bahceli, a former economics professor, took over and embraced more centrist positions. Millions of conservative voters, fed up with corruption scandals involving more established right-wing politicians, flocked to the party. The Gray Wolves also drew support away from Turkey's Islamist movement, which finished first in the 1995 election but abandoned power under pressure from the pro-secular armed forces. For many Turks, however, the bloodshed of the 1980s remains fresh. Some say they wonder if the Gray Wolves have been tamed. "I remember seeing my boyfriend shot by them before my eyes," said Melike, a former left-wing activist who has settled for suburban domesticity and would
Re: [CTRL] IUFO: Magnetic Anomaly
-Caveat Lector- On 20 Apr 99, at 17:31, V MORTZEKORPF wrote: Steve, What's this magnetometer? Where is it located? Who owns it? How does it work? Vicki, A magnetometer is an instrument which measures magnetic fields. This magnetometer is located at the HAARP facility in Alaska. *** BTW, the chart is no longer being updated; the last reading was at 18:05 UT (12:00 noon PDT) *** Here is more information from the HAARP site: Magnetometers contain one or more electrical coils which detect magnetic field lines in a direction perpendicular to the plane of the coil. The chart below is a running 36 hour plot of the readings taken from the fluxgate magnetometer, built by the University of Alaska, Geophysical Institute, operating at the HAARP ionospheric observatory in Gakona, Alaska. The three traces represent mutually orthogonal components of the earth's magnetic field as follows: The "H" component (black trace) is positive magnetic northward The "D" component (red trace) is positive eastward The "Z" component (blue trace) is positive downward Geomagnetic storminess is usually indicated in oscillatory variations in the earth's magnetic field. Additional detail concerning the nature and severity of the ionospheric disturbance can be found through analysis of the three components of the field. Regards, Steve Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Today's MP3: Marc Patterson: Space Jam http://www.mp3.com/artists/4/marc_pattison.html ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New issue of Paranoia out . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/20/99 1:43:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, the new issue of Paranoia - The Conspiracy Reader is out and with an article by yours truly -check it out at your local bookstore. Thankx, Al. Om K I have read it. The whole article with much more information has been given to us before by our esteemed editor and list owner Kris (AKA Robert) Milligan. The stuff that he has collected on the Skull and Bones is VERY impressive in light of conspiracy theory. It is one of the organizations that could be said to unite the elite "controllers," and in fact may be THE most important one. Kris' father worked for the OSS and the CIA, and is someone who did NOT sell out to the global drug trade and illegal policies of those organizations, but rather, tried to warn his son and work for the true benefit of the country for whom he worked. Kris kudos to you on your scholarship, and to your father who serves as an example of what it truly means to be a "patriot," defying your masters requisites. I highly recommend this work which can also be seen at our host website Parascope.com, and other places on the net. I also highly recommend this magazine and urge everyone to get a copy, and or subscription. For those who have this copy and have been on list for a while will recognize the author of another article in the magazine, one Judith ABR. Check it out. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] PARANOIA sub. and another PLUG. . . .
-Caveat Lector- Paranoia PO Box 1041 Providence RI 02901 ALSO check out STEAMSHOVEL PRESS, by our own member Kenn Thomas the address for that subscription is to be found at the steamshovel website. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Possibly 25 killed in Denver-area school shooting; 2suspects dead
-Caveat Lector- LITTLETON, Colo. (April 20, 1999 6:35 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Three young men dressed in fatigues and black trench coats opened fire in a suburban high school Tuesday, scattering students as gunshots ricocheted off lockers in what police called a suicide mission. Jefferson County Sheriff John Stone said 25 people may have been killed. Two suspects were found dead inside the library hours later, he said. Ok, I guess the trenchcoats were either open or short enough to see the fatigues... He said the gunman who were found dead in the library at Columbine High School were students. Gunman or gunmen? Did he have a school roster with their pics? "It appears to be a suicide mission," Stone said. It does? Or did the SWAT team make sure of that It was not immediately known if the others killed were students or teachers, police said. Explosions also were heard in the school, and police said they had to search for bombs, slowing them down as they looked for victims. Killed? I thought it was 'suicide'... Some 4 1/2-hours later, police led away a student from the school in handcuffs. Just for everyone to see... "He's one of the ones who shot at us," said Chris Wisher, another student. Police had no immediate comment. Hey kid, take the binoculars and look at those 6 SWAT guys dragging that kid. Was that one of them? Nearly two hours after the 11:30 a.m. shooting, SWAT team members entered the building and 15 to 20 students fled. The frightened students ran out with their hands in the air and were later frisked by police. Several other groups of youths ran from the school in the following hours after an armored car was brought to an entrance for cover. This is even better. What great T.V. (I saw this). SWAT team members searching the building were able to see some wounded students but couldn't reach them because the area wasn't secure, said Steve Davis, spokesman for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office. Television images, broadcast nationwide, showed police cars and ambulances at a staging area near the school, and helmeted officers in camouflage gear. At one point, a bloodied young man dangled from a second- floor window, his right arm limp, and was helped down by two SWAT team members. His condition was not immediately known. "We believe there are a few more victims," Davis said earlier. "We're hearing from deputies who can see from their vantage points more victims." One student, Kami Vest, called her father as she hid in the school with 30 other students. "They have been able to call out on a cell phone and tell us they are OK," Dale Vest said. He said at midafternoon that she remained in hiding. I thought cell phones weren't allowed in school. President Clinton asked Americans to pray for the students, parents and teachers. While we keep killing those 'thugs' in Kosovo... Shortly after the school was stormed, three youths wearing black were stopped by police in a field near the school. The Colorado Bureau of Investigation told KUSA-TV the three were friends of the gunmen and were taken in for questioning. Guilt by association (wearing black)? Some witnesses said there were two gunmen and the shootings took place around the school, including the cafeteria and library. Possibly 2 more? "At first we just though they were firecrackers until we saw the guns come out of the trench coats," said student Justin Woods. Do people nowadays need to see a gun to tell the difference between the sound? "They walked down the stairs and they started shooting people," said another student, who gave her name as Janine. "We didn't think it was real and then we saw blood." Her voice broke with anguish as she spoke. Now you need blood? She said it was two young men, wearing black trench coats. "They were shooting people and throwing grenades and stuff. ... Me and my friends got to my car and drove off," she said. No big deal another day at school. Bob Sapin, another student, also said the gunmen were all in black, in trench coats and masks. No fatigues? Musta been another group... "When they started walking down the hallway, I ran and I ran and I hid in the bushes," he said. Eight to 10 students in the school wear black trench coats every day, students said. Josh Nielsen said they are known as the "Trench Coat Mafia." Another student, Jason Greer, called them "jerks." "They are really strange, but I've never seen them do anything violent," he said. Surprise. These strange jerks are violent. What is with the dress code? Sean Kelly, a 16-year-old junior, said members of the group kept to themselves and were "kind of gothic. They are wearing dusters. They wear them every day, all black clothing." "They're into guns and stuff like that," he added. I thought gothic people liked vampires and the militia likes guns. At the adjacent Clement Park,
[CTRL] More Contrails over Northern California Tonight
-Caveat Lector- There are more contrails that were laid only a few minutes ago (6:00 pm PDT) over San Francisco and the East Bay running roughly north-south. These have expanded into dense clouds. I saw a white plane flying in the same area and direction, then by the time I got my camera nearby to snap a picture, it had apparently changed direction! If there were two planes the first one did not have time to have flown into a cloud because only a few seconds passed. I got several photos of this plane after it apparently changed directions, and photos of the contrails before and after they turned into billowing clouds. Steve Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Today's MP3: Marc Patterson: Space Jam http://www.mp3.com/artists/4/marc_pattison.html ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: EU / NATO]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: EU / NATO Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:09:08 -0700 From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research From- The Guardian --J2 = Hand in hand on the western front In the discreet Belgian suburbs, two powerful men are bonding By Martin Walker Monday April 19, 1999 As if he were conducting a secret love affair, the calendar of the late and unlamented European Commission President, Jacques Santer, has for the past year listed regular, early morning meetings with someone identified only as "S''. This discreet monthly rendezvous was a breakfast with Javier Solana, secretary-general of Nato. The two men did not have far to travel. The Nato HQ is on the main road to Brussels airport, in the suburb of Evere, about seven minutes by car from the Commission building at the Schumann roundabout. But if Nato and the EU Commission have inhabited the same city for 33 years, they live officially on different planets. This has been deliberate. Nato only came to Brussels in 1966, when President de Gaulle evicted the HQ from France, and French animosity towards the US-dominated alliance ensured that it stayed at arm's length from the institutions of Europe. Hence the discretion of those monthly breakfasts. But the catalysing effect of the long Balkan wars of the 1990s has been making this as untenable as it is ridiculous. Nato and the EU have stumbled and drifted into a roughly rational form of division of labour for the Balkans. Nato does the hard political-military stuff and the EU does the soft foreign policy of humanitarian aid and reconstruction. At its most absurd, this means Nato airstrikes knock down Serbian telecommunications towers and the EU helps finance their reconstruction, so the warplanes can knock them down again. Kosovo means that the two institutions are now joined at the hip. Germany's latest proposal of a Marshall Plan to reconstruct the Balkans and bring them into the EU and Nato has now become simultaneously Nato's war aim and the EU's long-term peace plan. This cosy new relationship was to have been formalised later this week at a grand jamboree for Nato's 50th birthday at which Barbra Streisand was to sing and President Bill Clinton was to put his seal on America's gracious acceptance of a separate European defence identity within Nato. Previous US administrations had sent stiff diplomatic notes, warning that Nato's future was at risk, whenever Europeans hesitantly suggested such a heresy. The Clinton team, recognising the value of lending their intelligence and logistics assets while Europe provided cannon-fodder for operations of marginal US interest, has been more relaxed. It is a bit like the Indian Army of the British Raj. The Americans provide the staff officers, gunners and engineers; Europeans are the sepoys. The problem is that, except for our unusable nuclear weapons, we Europeans are barely up to sepoy status yet. We have 2 million men under arms (compared to 1.2 million for the US) but spend about two thirds of the US defence budget, and are thus an entire technological generation behind them. It was when Tony Blair and President Chirac were glumly informed by their general staffs last year that the combined French and British air forces could not seize command of the air over puny Serbia that the European revolution began. Britain gave up its long insistence that Europe's security depended on Nato and only Nato. The French finally accepted that Nato need not be merely a ploy to guarantee American hegemony. And at the St Malo summit last December, we jointly agreed to promote a European defence system. Last month at Reinhartshausen, the Germans came up with a plan for the bureaucracy to achieve this. It called for an EU military committee, of equivalent status to the EU's shadowy and powerful monetary committee, which was the crucial institution in the launch of the single currency. The Germans also proposed regular meetings of European general staffs, which should be fun for the Luxembourg colonel (commanding 800 troops) when he sits alongside the French and British nuclear-armed grandees. "I felt I was at the birth of an event as historic as the launch of the euro,' commented Spain's foreign minister, Abel Matutes. He may well be right, because of yet another revolution which has taken place to join the American, French and British rethinks. The Germans are finally shaking off the long, post-war habits of deference, thanks to the peace and love and radical politics generation of 1969. Just as it took Richard Nixon to open US diplomatic relations with Red China, it took that former Young Socialist revolutionary Gerhard Schroeder and the erstwhile Green pacifist Joschka Fischer to get the Luftwaffe bombing Belgrade again. So America's great postwar genetic achievement, of transforming belligerent Germans and Japanese into plump bourgeois pussycats, is ending. And that
[CTRL] Fw: Implants Activated: Clinton Orders Trenchcoat Diversion. War Not Going Well
-Caveat Lector- Also, Colorado was just about to pass a concealed weapons carry law...! -Original Message- From: s [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.fan.art-bell,alt.conspiracy Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Implants Activated: Clinton Orders Trenchcoat Diversion. War Not Going Well Strange..but I was just thinking the same thing. Maybe they were some sort of genetically engineered killers and then planted into school. Their services activated when required. Who knows how many more of these government planted robots exist. Timing of this whole shit seems too coincidental. Bet they try to take away fire-arms from civilians because of this. Engine#9 wrote: What the fuck else makes sense? I know this doesn't but what does? Just as valid a theory as anything else. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kenn Thomas on Art Bell
-Caveat Lector- Don: I'm not actually on the show with Art, but his substitute Hillly Rose. Put me in touch with Gary Aldrich. kt Don Allen wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 04:41 PM 4/20/99 -0500, Kenn Thomas wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hi, CTRL! Hilly Rose is having me on the Art Bell show tonight from 1AM to 5AM Central Standard Time. There's a link to Bell at the Steamshovel site (http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma), plus news of my next lecture, Wayne Henderson on Kalifornia prisons, Acharya S on the X-rated Bible--a general update of the site. I haven't had a chance to do that for a while becuase I've been working on a new Gemstone book. I wish you success on the new Gemstone book. However, I MUST question your sanity for appearing on the Art Bell show. Are you that desparate for exposure? Bell is a certifiable idiot, a liar and a front line shill for the NWO. Why don't you appear on Gary Aldrich's radio show instead? At least Aldrich has credibility, something that Fart Smell will never have. --- "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Nature of Government -[1]-
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.16/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 16/A - The Laissez Faire City Times April 19, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 16 Editor Chief: Emile Zola Government is a Quack Faith-Healer by Wolf DeVoon Humans exist in perfect freedom. Obedience is a choice. Government is therefore an illusion. snip from: http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07b.htm THE NATURE OF GOVERNMENT by Frederick Mann Introduction I've often asked, "If freedom is so good, and so many great minds have praised and promoted it, then why is freedom in danger of being wiped out?" One of my answers to this question is that "government" is the main enemy of freedom, but nobody I know of has come even close to accurately describing "government" and communicating such an accurate description widely. For about seventeen years I've been working on developing an accurate description of "government" that could be communicated widely. My work in this respect is still very much in the experimental stage. Every reader of this article is invited to provide me with comments and suggestions to improve our description of "government" and its communication. This article is aimed mainly at people who already know a great deal about freedom - people who realize that in order to bring about general human well-being, peace, happiness, health, prosperity, etc., we need to find a solution to the scourge of "government." However, it's possible that people relatively new to freedom will grasp its main thrust without too much difficulty. The "nature of government" is a very important issue. I believe that achieving an accurate, communicable description of the nature of "government" will bring about a major turning point in history. The fact that nobody (I know of) has come even close to this achievement indicates that it's a very very major challenge. As a preparation for studying this report, I highly recommend the excellent article 'Lies Our Forefathers Told Us' by Victor Milan. Mr. Milan identifies some very important basic aspects of "government." I also suggest you study the "Government Traps" section of '#FFP05: Harry Browne's Freedom Principles'. These materials will most likely help you to better understand what follows. A Classic Description of the State "There are still peoples and herds somewhere, but not with us, my brothers: here there are states. The state? What is that? Well then! Now open your ears, for now I shall speak to you of the death of peoples. The state is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly it lies, too; and this lie creeps from its mouth; 'I, the state, am the people.' It is a lie! It was creators who created peoples and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life. It is destroyers who set snares for many and call it the state: they hang a sword and a hundred desires over them. Where a people still exists, there the people do not understand the state and hate it as the evil eye and sin against custom and law. I offer you this sign: every people speaks its own language of good and evil: its neighbor does not understand this language. It invented this language for itself in custom and law. But the state lies in all languages of good and evil; and whatever it says, it lies - and whatever it has, it has stolen. Everything about it is false; it bites with stolen teeth. Even its belly is false. Confusion of the language of good and evil; I offer you this sign of the state. Truly, this sign indicates the will to death! Truly, it beckons to the preachers of death! Many too many are born: the state was invented for the superfluous! Just see how it lures them, the many-too-many! How it devours them, and chews them, and re-chews them! ... It would like to range heroes and honorable men about it, this new idol! It likes to sun itself in the sunshine of good consciences - this cold monster! It will give you everything if you worship it, this new idol: thus it buys for itself the luster of your virtues and the glance of your proud eyes. It wants to use you to lure the many-too-many. Yes, a cunning device of Hell has here been devised, a horse of death jingling with the trappings of divine honors! Yes, a death for many has here been devised that glorifies itself as life: truly a heart-felt service to all preachers of death! I call it the state where everyone, good and bad, is a poison-drinker: the state where everyone, good and bad, loses himself: the state where universal slow suicide is called - life." This is how Friedrich Nietzsche described "the state" in his classic Thus Spoke Zarathustra, in 1884. Typically, in the history classes taught in the last generation in "government schools" in
[CTRL] The Nature of Government -[2]-
-Caveat Lector- -[cont]- http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07b.htm THE NATURE OF GOVERNMENT by Frederick Mann Two Tribes Consider two different isolated tribes somewhere in the jungles of South America. Call them Tribe 1 and Tribe 2. Each has its unique language with its own structure. The language of tribe 1 (language 1) tends to be very literal. A man who fishes, for example, is called "man-who-fishes." The same man, while sleeping, is called "man-who-sleeps"; while talking, "man- who-talks"; while running, -"man-who-runs"; while eating, man-who-eats"; while writing, "man-who-writes"; while making a chair, "man-who-makes-chair"; while giving orders, "man-who-gives-orders"; etc. In language 1, distinctions are made between different kinds of words: "Thing-words," "Do- words," "How-words," "Story-words," "Funny-words," "order- words," "Panic-words," "What-words," "Who-words," "Why- words," "When-words," "Where-words," etc. Abstractions are rare in language 1. To the people of tribe 1, any word that doesn't refer to something physically perceivable, is highly suspect. Their test for reality is physical. The language of Tribe 2 (Language 2) is very different. A man who obtains his wherewithal mostly by fishing, is called "fisherman." (This system of nomenclature would seem absurd to the people of Tribe 1 - how can you call someone a "fisherman" when he is not fishing, but sleeping?) Language 2 contains many abstractions - like "happiness." People from Tribe 2 can talk for hours about "happiness." (To someone from Tribe 1, this would be incomprehensible - they only talk about "woman-who-is-happy" while she is happy, and "woman-who-is-sad" while she is sad. The notion that you could separate "happiness" from a real person being happy, and talk about "happiness" as if it existed by itself, would be completely unthinkable to someone from Tribe 1.) To the people from Tribe 2, any word being used is automatically assumed to be part of existence, otherwise people wouldn't use it. (To someone from Tribe 1, the word "existence" would be a meaningless absurdity, because in their mentality only particular objects exist.) In Tribe 2, the test for reality is agreement. If other people agree with a word and the way it seems to be used, then that word is automatically accepted as valid and useful. They suffer from hypostatization. One day a strange man arrives at the place where the people of Tribe 1 live. They ask him: "Who you?" He: "I King". They: "your name King?". He: "No; my name John." They: "Why call self King if name John?" He: "I special person, agent of God." They: "You look different but not special; who God?" He: "God creator of world." They: "Where God?; How create world?" He: "God everywhere; God all-powerful." They: "How we see God?" He: "Can't see God." They: "You speak crazy." He: "No; I special; I show you." Whereupon the stranger performs various tricks like apparently making objects appear and disappear. They: "You clever man-who tricks." He: "I special; I King." They: "You speak funny; you clever John-who-tricks." He: "I King; my word law." They: "What law? - special word?" He: "Yes; my word law - you must obey." They: "Ah! You mean order-word!" He: "Yes; I King; I make law." They: "No; you speak order-word?" He: "Yes; I special". They: "What special? - Anybody speak order-word?" He: "You not understand." They: "No." Eventually John-the-stranger gives up trying to convince the people of Tribe 1 that he has a "special status" and that his words are different from the words of anyone else - so he leaves, to search for more gullible and impressionable victims elsewhere... For many days and nights he trudges through the jungle before discovering the people of Tribe 2. They: "Who you?" He: "I King." They: "Your name King?" He: "No, my name John." They: "Why call self King if name John?" He: "I special person, agent of God." They: "You look different; what God?" He: "God creator of world." They: Where God?; How create world?" He "God everywhere; God all-powerful." They: "Show special?" Whereupon the stranger performs various tricks like apparently making objects appear and disappear. They: "You King, agent of God." He: "Yes, my word law." They: "What law?" He: "Law special word of God through me; you must obey." Whereupon the people of Tribe 2 bow down and kiss the feet of John - they do not habitually test abstractions against reality, so they readily accept John-the- stranger as their "King" and his word as "law." Thereafter all he has to do to control and dominate them, is to open his mouth... "Government" is a Form of Parasitism or Cannibalism The reason why people call themselves "government" is because it provides them with advantages - if they can get away with it. In the case of tribe 1, John-the-stranger called himself "King," but the people didn't buy it, so he left. However, the gullible people from tribe 2 believed him, so they became his "subjects" - meaning he
[CTRL] The Nature of Government -[3]-
-Caveat Lector- -[cont]- "Government" is Kept in Place by Brainwashing My book Wake Up America! The Dynamics of Human Power (available from Terra Libra) includes a chapter titled "Are our Schools Concentration Campuses for Mind Destruction?" in which I describe "education" in some detail. Ayn Rand's The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution, contains a chapter, "The Comprachicos." Comprachico is a Spanish word meaning "child-buyer." The comprachicos were a nomadic association, notorious in the seventeenth century. They bought and sold children - special children, children turned into deformed freaks, used in freak shows to amuse the public. At an early age they placed a young child in a porcelain pot with a grotesque form. As the child's body grew, it had to assume the shape of the pot. The result was a deformed freak for people to laugh at. Rand uses the practice of the comprachicos as an analogy to describe American "education." She refers to our "educators" as "the comprachicos of the mind." Children's minds are forced to assume the shape of a grotesque "intellectual pot." Rand describes the result: "The students' development is arrested, their minds are set to respond to slogans, as animals respond to a trainer's whistle, their brains are embalmed in the syrup of altruism as an automatic substitute for self-esteem... They would obey anyone, they need a master, they need to be told what to do. They are ready now to be used as cannon fodder - to attack, to bomb, to burn, to murder, to fight in the streets and die in the gutters. They are a trained pack of miserably impotent freaks, ready to be unleashed against anyone." [emphasis added] In every part of the world, the monsters who masquerade as "government," do their utmost to achieve monopoly control of the so-called "education system" - they try to make it compulsory so all children will be subjected to government brainwashing. The result is that practically every victim is degraded into an unthinking follower... or unthinking rebel. "Government" is Kept in Place by Mass Hallucination My Webster's definition of hallucination includes the following: Perception of objects with no reality; A completely unfounded or mistaken impression or notion. We could also describe hallucination as "seeing" or "perceiving" what's not there - or "seeing" or "perceiving" more than exists in reality. Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) could be described as the science of representational systems. In our brains we have "neural patterns" or "models" that attempt to represent reality. For example, in my brain I have a "picture" of a table. If someone asks me to draw a picture of a table, I access the "picture" or "model" in my head, from which I then draw a table. These "pictures," "models," or "neural patterns" are called representational systems. They include intellectual, emotional, visual, auditory, and other sensory data. Our representational systems are more or less "useful." To the extent that we use them to predict accurately and produce desirable results, we regard them as useful. NLP people have identified three major ways in which our representational systems differ from reality: Generalization - e.g., the representational system called "furniture" - or the "intellectual" neural pattern: "all women are the same." Distortion - e.g., "the color of my car is blue" - the physicist tells us this is a distortion; it's more accurate to say that my car's outer surface reflects light with the wavelength we call "blue," while absorbing light with other wavelengths. Deletion - e.g., "Tom is a wonderful, generous, happy, healthy individual" - Tom has many other attributes, some of which have been ignored or "deleted" from my representational system. I've identified a very important fourth way in which our representational systems differ from reality: Addition - e.g., "John-the-stranger is a King, therefore he has special powers; and the words that come out of his mouth are special and therefore are the law which must be obeyed." John is really an ordinary man. By representing him as a "King" in our representational systems, we have added something to what exists in reality. Similarly, John's words are ordinary like those of the rest of us, and when we represent some of his words as "the law" in our representational systems, we have added something to what occurs in reality. The essence of hallucination is "seeing" or "perceiving" what doesn't really exist or occur. The phenomenon of addition, as described above, is simply hallucination. To have a neural patterns or mental models that say "the government runs the country," "government makes law," "Slick Willy is President of the U.S.A.," all constitute hallucination. It's these forms of hallucination that keep "government" in place. Because practically all humans suffer from similar political hallucinations, they tend to all agree with each other about certain fundamental political concepts and notions
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- I'm seeing indications linking the Colorado shootings to The Basketball Diaries, a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio dressed in a black trenchcoat blows people away. It's based on a book by Jim Carroll, a writer connected to the Kerouac/Ginsberg/Burroughs nexus of beat poets. You can bet that the cause of this violence will be tracked to everywhere but the actual source. The play-acting violence of Hollywood, poor beatnik morals, but not the military state that creates the current violent climate. kt DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Interesting articles quotes
-Caveat Lector- *** Carrying Gore's Water "I was talking earlier this week to a former member of the Clinton national security team...and he says, you know, the President's main job these days seems to be as campaign manager for Al Gore and...he doesn't want the problem of ground troops hung around his neck running for president." - Cokie Roberts, ABC's "This Week," 4/11/99 The Clinton/Gore Fundraising Tour The little "war" in Kosovo hasn't stopped the Clinton/Gore duo from doing what they do best: sucking up campaign cash. Since the bombing began on March 24, either Clinton and Gore have attended ten major fundraising events - more than one fundraiser for every 72 hours of bombing! * March 29 - Gore 2000 luncheon in Chicago * March 29 - Gore 2000 reception in Birmingham * April 6 - Gore 2000 BBQ in Woodside, CA * April 6 - Gore 2000 dinner in Beverly Hills * April 16 - Gore featured at fundraiser for Rep. David Obey (D-WI) in Wassau, WI * April 16 - Clinton featured at Democrat Senatorial/Congressional luncheon in Dearborn, Mich. * April 16 - Gore 2000 reception in Nashville * April 16 - Clinton featured at Democrat Senatorial/Congressional dinner in Boston * April 19 - Gore 2000 luncheon in Cincinnati * April 19 - Gore 2000 reception in Chicago * First Things First "Since the bombing began, President Clinton and Vice President Gore have raised funds at a breakneck pace. In fact, they've had twice as many fundraisers as meetings with the Congressional leadership since the bombing began. The Commander in Chief and his second in command ought to be more focused on the targets in Kosovo, and less on meeting their fundraising targets." - RNC Chairman Jim Nicholson, 4/16/99 ** Clinton Golfs While Kosovo Burns "President Clinton hasn't been one to worry much about appearances, but going on fundraising trips and golf outings while serving as the Commander in Chief does strike us as unnecessarily unseemly. Mr. Clinton spent much of Friday attending Democratic fundraisers in Dearborn, Mich., and Boston. Because some nominal Presidential function is scheduled, taxpayers finance these money sweeps. Meanwhile, Mr. Clinton has been rather regularly getting in golf rounds in Washington. It's hard to see how such insouciance does much for the morale of the people carrying out his orders in Yugoslavia." - Wall Street Journal editorial, 4/19/99 * Putting Fundraisers First "I would agree that a cease-fire on fundraisers would be a good idea during the duration of the war." - Bill Press, former California Democrat Party Chairman and liberal host of CNN's "Crossfire," 4/15/99 * Military Ignoramus "The man (Bill Clinton) is an ass. He has no concept of a military operation. To him, it's just a video game. What we don't know is how many body bags it will take to make this jerk face reality." - Unidentified career military officer, as quoted by columnist Doug Thompson *** Massive Depression in the Ranks "I've been around the military for more than 30 years and I have never seen morale this low. Bill Clinton has destroyed the soul of our armed forces." - Former Navy Capt. Al Simonson, as quoted by columnist Doug Thompson *** Inman Becomes #399 "North Hanover, New Jersey Democrat Mayor Kenneth Inman has filed to run for re-election -- as a Republican. Inman is the latest in a long line of elected Democrats who have changed parties since the November 1992 election. Inman announced his switch was based on his personal distaste for the recent Washington scandal. 'I did it because of my own personal reasons. I can't condone President Clinton's actions, and I don't want to be affiliated with the party he's affiliated with.' Mayor's Inman's decision to join with the Republicans officially starts the number 400 clock. Who will it be? Watch this space for the answer." - Peter Roff, GOPAC, 4/19/99 ** New GOP Club in Las Vega Nichole Ecklund advises us of a new GOP club being formed: the Junior Republican Women of Las Vegas. The club is open to women between the ages of 18-30 and annual dues is set at just $20 per year. For additional information, contact club president Allison Andronaco at 702-248-1351 or e-mail Nichole at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Distributed by: Nevada Republican Liberty Caucus DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths,
[CTRL] Fwd: Albania and oil
Mecantile States and the World Oil Cartel, p. 194: "In their new harmony [following selective joint production and marketing agreements in 1928] Royal Dutch-Shell, Anglo Persian [British Petroleum], and Burmah interests became equally peevish about Soviet oil exports to Asia via the Suez Canal. In France, Soviet Oil was sold through national companies, but as elsewhere 1928 marked a turning point. Italy had earlier recognized the Albanian government of Ahmed Zaku [aka Ahmed Zogou, crowned as "Zog the 1st"] who received loans and financial support from Great Britain; he granted concessions in Albania to Anglo-Persian, which agreed to sell 40 to 50 percent of the oil pumped there to Italy. On 30 and 31 July 1928, as the working agreement for Iraq was signed, the Anglo Persian and Italian companies, including the state-owned Agip and two other Italian independent companies, met in Paris and, the next day, in Lausanne to sign agreements that phased Soviet oil out of the Italian market. Anglo-Persian became the principal supplier." A footnote adds: "Fear of turning Italy back to Soviet oil may have prevented League of Nations oil sanctions from being imposed on Italy when it invaded Ethiopia." The book does not cover Italy's invasion of Albania but it does look to me to have been an oil-driven event. Bracketed material was added by me for the purposes of this post. The general theme developed here is that part of the purpose of the famous 1928 internatinal oil agreements was to reduce Soviet export presence in world markets. -gn. -- Gregory P. Nowell Associate Professor Department of Political Science, Milne 100 State University of New York
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- sorry, i dont see a' military state" that caused the tradegy in CO-the military has been cut, and swiped away for years rather i blame the fact that no one raises our kids anymore they raise themselves and they are not doing too well liz DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- Kenn Thomas wrote: You can bet that the cause of this violence will be tracked to everywhere but the actual source. You certainly missed it ... individual responsibility coupled with piss-poor parenting. Regard$, --MJ Responsibility by definition means answerable or accountable for. And what is a person responsible for? Everything he thinks, says or does. Why? Because no matter what or whom one can blame for the circumstances of his life, he is still stuck with the consequences of everything he thinks, says or does. People can be terribly unreliable but never irresponsible. Thus there is no way a person can be irresponsible because everyone is answerable or accountable for everything he thinks, say or does, does not do or neglects to do. Until people fully realize that they are totally responsible for their lives, we as a society collectively will be operating under a false and distorted assumption of what responsibility means. -- Sidney Madwed DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Black op Kodak?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/20/99 4:08:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rochester Is very spooky, follow the monies. Om K - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Ethiopia/Eritrea/Somalia
__ Stratfor's FREE Kosovo Crisis Center - http://www.stratfor.com/kosovo/crisis/ The most comprehensive coverage of the Kosovo Crisis anywhere on the Internet __ STRATFOR's Global Intelligence Update April 21, 1999 Conflict Spreads in Horn of Africa Summary: Somali warlords have accused Ethiopian troops of launching raids deep in Somali territory. While the allegations have been denied by the Ethiopian government, still it appears that the conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea is spreading by proxy, threatening to involve not only Somalia but also Sudan and even Egypt. Analysis: The Somali newspaper Mogadishu Times reported April 19 that Ethiopian troops have reached Bardaale in the Bay region of Somalia, northwest of Mogadishu. The newspaper charged that the Ethiopian forces had already seized many areas in the neighboring Gedo region, which borders Ethiopia and Kenya. Ethiopia denied allegations earlier this month that it had sent heavily armed forces to intervene in factional fighting in Gedo region, and will no doubt deny this deeper incursion into Somalia. However, evidence suggests that the conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea continues to spill over into neighboring states, intensifying local conflicts and threatening to destabilize the region. Somali warlords Hussein Mohamed Aideed, Ali Mahdi Mohamed, and Omar Haji Mohamed "Masale" sent a letter to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan on April 11, charging that heavily armed Ethiopian forces had launched a series of attacks in Gedo region beginning April 8, and demanding that the UN Security Council take action against Addis Ababa. Copies of the letter were sent to the Arab League, the OAU, and the Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD). The warlords alleged that Ethiopian forces had occupied the towns of Bulo Hawo and Dollo in Gedo region and had arrested local leaders. Ethiopian government spokeswoman Selome Tadesse called the Somali allegations "unfounded" and an attempt by "devious forces" to portray Ethiopia as an invader. She said that Ethiopia had captured a group of Somalis on the 10th or 11th near Dollo as they attempted to smuggle large amounts of explosives from multiple countries of origin into Ethiopia. However the BBC, Agence France Presse, and the Indian Ocean Newsletter all reported that Ethiopian troops had intervened in the area on behalf of one faction in a power struggle within the Somali National Front -- the faction opposed to Omar Haji Mohamed and the Mogadishu warlords. Kenya has reportedly closed its border with Somalia in the region, and the Arab League has stated its concern with the Ethiopian Army's presence within Somalia, and announced that it would ask Addis Ababa to withdraw the troops. Bulo Hawo is reportedly a stronghold of the fundamentalist rebel group Al-Ittihad Al-Islam, and Ethiopia has carried out attacks on the group several times in the past. Ethiopia's rebel Oromo Liberation Front (OLF), which has allegedly received Libyan- funded arms shipments from Eritrea, is also reportedly active in Gedo region. As we reported April 7, both Ethiopia and Eritrea are arming competing factions in Somalia in a growing proxy war [http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/040799.asp]. In addition to the list of countercharges outlined in our last report, Ethiopia has alleged that Arab doctors are tending to wounded Eritrean officers at a clinic in southern Somalia controlled by Hussein Mohamed Aideed. Ethiopia also suggested that the recent kidnapping of three people in eastern Ethiopia was carried out by the Ogaden National Liberation Front, also allegedly supported by Eritrea via Aideed in Somalia. Aideed, in turn, claimed his militia killed three Somali agents of the Ethiopian government sent to Mogadishu to abduct Oromo rebel leaders. An official at Ethiopia's embassy in Nairobi denied Aideed's allegation, calling it "a continuation of the fabrications made by certain forces in Somalia who are explicitly supported by Eritrea." While the spillover of the Ethiopian-Eritrean conflict into Somalia is apparently increasing, it is not the only potentially dangerous extension of that conflict. Sudan's foreign ministry on April 19 requested a postponement of peace talks with the opposition Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA), scheduled to be held April 20-25 in Nairobi, under the auspices of the IGAD. Sudan has charged the SPLA with repeatedly violating a cease fire agreement. While it was Khartoum that called off the talks, the Ethiopian-Eritrean war is having a serious impact on the peace process. Ethiopia and Eritrea are both members of the IGAD, and both have actively supported and hosted the Sudanese opposition forces. The Ethiopian-Eritrean conflict has thrown regional alliances into a flux, disrupting the Sudanese opposition, while the conflict has also undermined Ethiopia and Eritrea's contribution to IGAD's
[CTRL] Fwd: FC: GUILTY! Day 6 of Washington State Cypherpunk Trial
http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/19239.html Guilty Verdict for Cypherpunk by Chris Stamper 5:30 p.m. 20.Apr.99.PDT TACOMA, Washington -- A federal judge on Tuesday ruled an itinerant musician and cypherpunk was guilty of threatening government officials and Bill Gates. "There's a line between free speech and criminal speech," said US District Judge Robert J. Bryan. He declared Carl Johnson guilty on four counts brought against him by the Internal Revenue Service and the Justice Department. The charges stem from a series of freewheeling essays posted last year to the cypherpunks mailing list, an online discussion area populated by an anarchic collection of encryption and privacy advocates. [...remainder snipped...] -- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ --
Re: [CTRL] Please Use PEACE TARGET Logos
-Caveat Lector- Universal peace can't save you, don't you see? It is a fiction. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- I know CTRL readers won't go for this simplistic ballyhoo. Here's a good place to start looking for real answers about the school shootings: http://www2.flatlandbooks.com/flatland/Gatto.html --- You certainly missed it ... individual responsibility coupled with piss-poor parenting. Regard$, --MJ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- Also the movie Heathers.sweet little Wynona Ryder, and this Christian Slater; a gun in a cafeteria, to a murder of a popular young student, to bombs awaywhen I saw this movie some years back I was horrified. And please be assured, these movie stars and the script writers know exactly what they are doing.Wag the Dog is a joke compared to wht they have done. The latest trend is it not, to murder school kidsHalloween, was i designed to terrify little children and turn murderers and butchers against them? And what about abortion; if a woman wants an abortion, do it quietly between the doctor and patientnow our children observe their mothers murdering their babies. Arent we nice and setting nice examples...let alone Doctor Kovorkian, or whatever his name is. He is where he belongs; they should put him on death role to assist those condemned to die, in a more humane manner The movie industry is controlled by our government; the five major publishing houses were bought by the Mafia some time back, and in 1974 World Publishing was bought up by the Mafia, and of course, they published masonic bibles, etc. Now here is Clinton playing another humanitarian role, while he and his butchers of Waco and the Balkans send in armed troop virtually ready to blast away at the school. Can you imagine what might have happened here, if the killers were alone in the building...and had not killed themselves. This country is kill krazy; who indoctrinted these children. The one thing that I detested this afternoon, was a young man, who said "oh nobody liked them, they were scum"now I wonder why these kids would do as they did.who got their hooks into them, who set them offand why today?These kids were obviously on drugs, and this Mafia stuffwell how about a few moremovies with DiNiro playing the Godfather; he is in trouble now in Italy for criminal connections. A lot of evil is coming out of Colorado; from Ted Bundy, the guy that shot Reagan, these kids, the little Jon Benet Ramsey.the horrible movie that got the Oscar, about the butchers which was said to be a comedy that got an academy award. Under the constitution the Arts and Sciences are not only protected, but controlled; these are the propaganda machines, and our children are their victims. Why all the garbage on television; and Clinton has more pain and suffering today; I wonder what these children think of sodomy in the Oval Office and of a President who sends out butchers to do his dirty work. Maybe these kids are following his example; from their written messages, it would appear so...Clinton is following in the steps of the Nazi party...but I do not think our military will go along with this peacefully. colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- You certainly missed it ... individual responsibility coupled with piss-poor parenting. Assuming of course that they weren't mind controlled zombies. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- Well, lets just hear it for all those Souther Baptist God Shouters, who pushed a few other kids over the brink. So the kids were scum, and they got their revenge. Pierced ears and pierced eyerows on kids, is a form of self mutiliation tht is really not acceptable; it fact, it is rather whorish on little girls. And the kid who said "nobody liked them; they are scum" well these stupid ignorant insensitive people paid a high price for their cruelty. They pushed too hard, and drove two kids over a cliff. Do I call that a nice school with nice people? No - they will be shedding tears for the public for months to come - like the little girl that murdered her two babies and some were sucker enough to buy that story. These people know what drove those kids over the brinkoh well, as they say - how many abortions were performed today. Nobody seems to really care about that do theyoh that is right, they did blow up a few abortion clinics. What this society needs is more Zoloft and Prozac, and a few more kids in these little secret societies - like the little Jobs Daughters or the little Churches who exclude non=-members. It does not take a brain to realize tht the entire community of Littleton shares the blame wht happened there today. In particular, I loved the one woman smiling for the television cameras, until she was asked what she was smiling about. These people are all sick; one man screaming in the background was cut off - you see, he had reported to the police, that these sick children had threatened the life of his sonnow I wonder why. colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- Kids need a sense of belonging to something or someone; well, someone got their hooks into the kids the wore the Black Trenchcoats.they belonged, and they were the avengers in bloodeven though they were not of royal descent. They better get behind this and find the teacher looking for the weak linksas they say, By Their Fruits You Shall Know Them I wonder if they took any golden earrings from their prey Had these kids been into Rosicrucianism? Or Theosophy? Obviously, they had been into something relevant to a secret society, having formed their own little Mafia Oh well, nobody liked them anywaythey were "scum", but they took a lot of innocents with them when they went. If I were the police, I would do a little checking on the ones with the biggest mouths on TV, who shed not a tear. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- Blame the victims and coddle the criminals. The only thing that is going to stop this nonsense is public executions after conviction. At 12:42 AM 4/21/99 -0400, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well, lets just hear it for all those Souther Baptist God Shouters, who pushed a few other kids over the brink. So the kids were scum, and they got their revenge. Pierced ears and pierced eyerows on kids, is a form of self mutiliation tht is really not acceptable; it fact, it is rather whorish on little girls. And the kid who said "nobody liked them; they are scum" well these stupid ignorant insensitive people paid a high price for their cruelty. They pushed too hard, and drove two kids over a cliff. Do I call that a nice school with nice people? No - they will be shedding tears for the public for months to come - like the little girl that murdered her two babies and some were sucker enough to buy that story. These people know what drove those kids over the brinkoh well, as they say - how many abortions were performed today. Nobody seems to really care about that do theyoh that is right, they did blow up a few abortion clinics. What this society needs is more Zoloft and Prozac, and a few more kids in these little secret societies - like the little Jobs Daughters or the little Churches who exclude non=-members. It does not take a brain to realize tht the entire community of Littleton shares the blame wht happened there today. In particular, I loved the one woman smiling for the television cameras, until she was asked what she was smiling about. These people are all sick; one man screaming in the background was cut off - you see, he had reported to the police, that these sick children had threatened the life of his sonnow I wonder why. colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'Waco' Producer: WACO Lesson unlearned (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Paul Argent wrote: -Caveat Lector- To anyone who has seen "Terms of Engagement" i strongly recommend it as one of the best documentary's i've ever seen. For what it's worth a few comments on Waco: Waco was not about religion, it was about non conformity. Branch Davidians were non conformist in terms of their religion. Nevertheless, the issue seems to be that modern western society is unable to deal with individuals who are different or espouse unconventional beliefs, whether religious, political or social. Any comments welcome. It has also been suggested that a couple of the people there had expert abilities with computers and had tapped into information about the connections between government agencies and street gangs in LA. You will remember the ATF agents going into the window upstairs? That was where the computers were kept. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But Edison had too much money invested in his DC system, so Tommy did his best to discredit Tesla around every turn. Edison constantly tried to show that AC electricity was far more dangerous than his DC power. Tesla counteracted by staging his own marketing campaign. At the 1893 World Exposition in Chicago (attended by 21 million people), he demonstrated how safe AC electricity was by passing high frequency AC power through his body to power light bulbs. He then was able to shoot large lightning bolts from his Tesla coils to the crowd without harm. Nice trick! Yes, and not exactly honest. He was using high frequency, low amperage. Not exactly what you would find in a home. http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/tesla/tesla.html Here's a task for you to try: Go check your encyclopedia to find the answers to the following questions: (answers are given in parentheses) 1) Who invented the radio? (Marconi) 2) Who discovered X-rays? (Roentgen) 3) Who invented the vacuum tube amplifier? (de Forest) In fact, while you're at it, check to see who discovered the fluorescent bulb, neon lights, speedometer, the automobile ignition system, and the basics behind radar, electron microscope, and the microwave oven. Chances are that you will see little mention of a guy named Nikola Tesla, the most famous scientist in the world at the turn of the century. In fact, few people today have ever heard of the guy. Good old Tommy Edison made sure of that. * Tesla worked in all these areas, it is true. However, he never developed a commercial fluorescent bulb. Money for this was invested by John Jacob Astor, but instead of using it for that purpose Tesla built his lab in Colorado Springs. He did design a speedometer, but I believe that it operated differently than those we now use. The ignition system? That was around before him. What was it that differed from those previously available? Electron microscope and microwave oven? He had patents on these? I never heard of them. Have you seen them? After all, Tesla was considered an eccentric who talked of death rays that could destroy 10,000 airplanes at a distance of 250 miles, claimed to be able split the Earth in two, believed that both voice and image could be transmitted through the air (in the late 1800's), and essentially told Edison to take his DC electrical system and stick it you know where. In other words, anyone that has even heard of Tesla probably considers him to be a first class wacko. * No, most people who have heard of him seem to think that he was the greatest genius of all time. They completely fail to see that most of his problems were caused by his own dishonesty and arrogance. I know, I used to think in the same way. But, the times are a changin'. The problem is that Tesla probably could do all these things that he claimed were possible. * Maybe, maybe not. He made great claims for his pump, but he was not able to develop it, though he did have support. People are still trying unsuccessfully to reach the efficiencies he claimed for it. In fact, Tesla invented every single one of the items listed above (but gets no credit) and much more. Look around you and chances are Tesla is somehow responsible for most of the things that make modern life so modern. He does not get credit because except for the AC generator and motor, he did not develop them to a point where they were commercially viable. No doubt about it, Nikola Tesla is the greatest mind since da Vinci. So who is this genius? Little Nicky Tesla was born in Smijlan, Croatia way back in 1856. He had an extraordinary memory and spoke six languages. He spent four years at the Polytechnic Institute at Gratz studying math, physics, and mechanics. What made Tesla great, however, was his amazing understanding of electricity. Remember that this was a time when electricity was still in its infancy. The lightbulb hadn't even been invented yet. When Tesla first came to the United States in 1884, he worked for Thomas Edison. Edison had just patented the lightbulb, so he needed a system to distribute electricity. Edison had all sorts of problems with his DC system of electricity. He promised Tesla big bucks in bonuses if he could get the bugs out of the system. Tesla ended up saving Edison over $100,000 (millions of $$$ by today's standards), but Edison refused to live up to his end of the bargain. *** This story may or may not be true. No one else verified it. Why did Tesla not get this agreement in writing? Was his understanding of what Edison agreed to insufficient, etc? And, as far as following agreements, Tesla did not follow his agreements with either Astor or Morgan. It is often claimed that J.P. Morgan pulled the rug
[CTRL] Drudge: Trenchcoat Mafia
-Caveat Lector- X DRUDGE REPORT X 04/20/99 16:22:55 ET X TRENCHCOAT MAFIA PLACED WARNING OF COMING SCHOOL MASSACRE ON AOL; GANG MAY HAVE PLANNED SHOOTING **Exclusive** A gang called TRENCHCOAT MAFIA may have been planning today's shooting at a suburban high school in Colorado. One user profile found on AMERICA ONLINE states: "Preparin' for the big april 20!! You'll all be sorry that day!" The AOL handle "LCaress" -- claiming to be a "Trenchcoat Mafia" gang member from Littleton, Colorado -- warns of the April 20 date. Another AOL member, using the handle "AzMstr17" warns about a fight against the "Power Boyz" -- and declares that "cOlUmBInE HigH ScHoOl SuCks". Member Name: Jessie Location: 7th layer of hell NeAr DeNver Yo' Birthdate: August 13, 1982 Sex: Male Marital Status: ToSsInG My bItCh QuEeN's SalAd Hobbies: hAnGinG PoPpErs ExTaSSeeY BoYYee Ya Ya FloCkO SEaGuLLs Yo yO Computers: RhYdIn RUlZ ThE LAnD UnDer hiS BlA C K BooTz Occupation: TRENCH COAT MAFIA iN Da HoUse BoYeEeeeEeeEEsss, hAnGiN, baNgInn, fStiNg, ToSSin Da' SAlAd Yo yO Personal Quote: "fIgHt Da PoWeR BoYz.. tReNcH CoAt MaFiA RULZ cOlUmBInE HigH ScHoOl SuCks One 10th-grader at the school says that he heard gunmen say "they were gonna kill all the jocks," seconds before one of them held a gun to his head. A student identifying himself as Aaron Cahon told KOA radio that he believes the gunmen belong to a group in the school known as the "Trenchcoat Mafia." A notice posted on the Internet on Tuesday read: "Greetings Gay Bikers, Today, a bunch of our fellow homosexuals at Columbine HS in Denver Colorado, known as the Trench Coat Mafia, decided that they had taken enough crap from the straight community that had been abusing them and have decided to take matters into their own hands. We should all applaud their bravery and hope that they can hold out as long as possible in their fight for gay people everywhere. We can only hope that they can turn this into the gay alamo and hold out for 13 days of glory. If they can hold out for two days I think gay bikers everywhere should considering riding into Denver as a relief force to fight alongside them. We need to show solidarity!!! Queen Jeff" [ The message is found at: http://x16.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=qs]/getdoc.xp?AN=468757180CONTEXT=924646229 .364052583hitnum=0 ] Reports are moved when circumstances warrant (c)DRUDGE REPORT 1999 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- Let me tell you something, Mr. Moxley; working in a Court, there was one attorney who always bothered me - and I always said about him ' Be Nice to the Nuts.. Well a few years ago, this lawyer ended up working in a Casino in Las Vegas, and one night came in with a sub machine gun and tryed to rob the place; he was gunned down, before he killed anyonehe now resides in a prison. The point I am trying to make is this; this man to me was obviously sick and need professional help - and I bent over backwards to assist him when he needed help.he did nt get the help he needed, and ended up shooting up a casino where he could have gunned down a lot of innocent gamblers.. I am always nice to the nuts.and you know, that one kid the killers warned away today - the one said "get out of here, we always liked you"and he did. So human kindness could prevent a lot of trouble; blaming the victims - well, yes in their ignorance and youth, they probably didnot realize wht they were doing. But the teachers and the police, had all been warnedand did nothing. Sick people are sick people; we had a football coach commit suicide, whom I never liked because he was cruel in many ways; there was a policeman hwo committed suicide, who went out of his way to inflict pain and was an alcoholic; there was a killer on the loose up a highway, who murdered 8 or 9 persons with whom the police mingled everyday. You never know with whom you are dealing. Therefore, it would be wise to treat people with a little common courtesy, and the last thing you would want to do is to ridicule a sick person. Have you ever studied abnormal psychology? Well, there is a lot of blame to put around that community tonight; and a lot of innocents were hurt. The school prinipal, it seemed, is more concerned about the CYA club and her job, than what caused this disaster. And oh this police official - not one word that he had been approached about the one kid being possibly a bit psycho - but then who woud ever notice someone dressed in black every dayafter all we are getting accusomed to the D Platoons and BATF running around like nazi storm troopers; maybe these kids were folloiwng their examples. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [prj] pink swastika
Just received this and it should be of some interest. Everything here from mind control to connections to these kids today who went not out of character, but rather under a control of drugs or other control did what they did colleen PS there are connections here to Sirhan I imagine, and some of these secret societies who go into drug manipulation, etc. This does look like a good item, inasmuch much as these kids thought they were Honosexuals.this was sent from Mind Control gorup. YOUR PERSONAL POST OFFICE...TRY IT FREE FOR 90 DAYS! Here is the URL for Pink Swastika. http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/pscont.htm all the best Martin H. Katchen Please Patronize PRJ's Current Sponsor: http://www.alpinenterprises.com/ A Growing Selection of A-albionic's Books Can Be Browsed and Purchased Conveniently in the Shopping Cart at http://www.alpinenterprises.com/webcart/a-albionic.htm
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- I had never ead that Thomas Edison electrocuted a dog in the electric chair. This would make him about the most vicious and cruel - no wonder - well, from now on I will no longer defend that BASTARD when they say he was a homosexual. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Trenchcoat
-Caveat Lector- On 4/21/99 at 0021 Colleen Jones wrote: A lot of evil is coming out of Colorado; from Ted Bundy, the guy that shot Reagan, these kids, the little Jon Benet Ramsey.the horrible movie that got the Oscar, about the butchers which was said to be a comedy that got an academy award. Maybe the shooters have been hanging out at the Denver International Airport. -- Invalid thought detected. Close all mental processes and restart body. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I had never ead that Thomas Edison electrocuted a dog in the electric chair. This would make him about the most vicious and cruel - no wonder - well, from now on I will no longer defend that BASTARD when they say he was a homosexual. Colleen that aint the half of it, i read a couple of accounts a few years back that are accounts of his being a thief and a scammer who cheated more than only tesla out of their rightful dues for the sake of a couple of dollars. he screwed tesla well and a lot of other inventors at the time. he used his money like a club and a lot of people suffered because of him. you want references? read a book. edison was a fine capitalist in its most sinister tradition chris (still smilin' y'all) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Heston:Truth And Consequences
-Caveat Lector- Speech at Yale, April 16, 1999 "Truth And Consequences" by Charlton Heston Well, here I am still in the chariot. I am pleased to be among political thinkers, and I hope, political activists ... fellow charioteers, if you will. My life has always been pretty active. I marched with Martin Luther King in 1963, long before Hollywood found it fashionable. Supporting civil rights then was about as popular as supporting gun rights is now. Yup, I'm currently the President of the National Rifle Association. Clearly, my views are not bound by political correctness. The thought police do not frighten me. I hope I frighten them. Since your Political Union debates follow traditional structure, my resolution would go something like this: Be it resolved that societal dishonesty can kill you. That is to say, a world without consequences is a world without truth, and that you can die from that lie. I believe that in your heart you already know something is profoundly wrong. When bartenders are responsible for drunk drivers' acts, and gunmakers are responsible for criminals' acts, and nobody is responsible for O. J. Simpson's acts, something is wrong. As students, you should search for truth. Your brain evolved to demand reality. It can best process information against an unchanging backdrop of certainty. But that's hard to find. Your world is all spin. Actions are further and further removed from consequences. Cause and effect are, at best, theoretical. Equal and opposite reactions are no longer PC. The Dow tops ten thousand, but our lives are not enriched. We enjoy unprecedented affluence, but our souls are impoverished. Our lungs inhale the rarefied air of prosperity, but our hearts yearn for nourishment. You lack that invisible anchor that tethered your grandparents to reality -- you know what I'm talking about. Our nation's abundance is like a narcotic that masks our malady -- we feel too good to acknowledge that we're sick. We're like the cocaine-snorting rock star, who dares not look in the mirror -- the ghoulish reflection would ruin the buzz. In his book "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross says, "blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual theories regularly foisted on us from every direction. Underneath, the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name is undermining the nation, turning the mind mushy when it comes to separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don't like it." Let me give you two good examples: This Administration's approach to crime and to war. Our government's duplicity proves my point. If you drove into Richmond, Virginia, today, you'd be greeted by billboards with giant words that say, "An illegal gun gets you five years in federal prison." These warn all felons that Project Exile is in effect. Project Exile simply enforces existing federal law. Project Exile means every convicted felon caught with a gun, no matter what he's doing, will go to prison for five years. No parole, no early releases, no discussion, period. My, my -- incarcerating armed felons. What a novel idea. It works, like no other anti-crime policy ever proposed. Project Exile, in its first year in Richmond, cut gun homicides by 62 percent. And as you'd expect, related gun crimes like robbery, rape and assault also plummeted. That means hundreds of people in Richmond today are alive and intact who, without Project Exile, would be dead or bleeding. For years the NRA has demanded that Project Exile be deployed nationwide. Makes sense, huh? The laws are already on the books. Just enforce them. But Bill Clinton won't do it. When he says he's serious about fighting crime, consider that as a matter of policy -- as a matter of policy - the Clinton Administration is not prosecuting violations of federal gun law. In fact, they reversed the Bush Administration's policy of prosecuting felons with guns. Instead, with plea bargains, a wink and a nod, they've been letting armed felons off the hook. From 1992 to 1998, prosecutions have been cut almost in half. So while Project Exile was saving lives in Richmond, federal prosecution for gun law violations everywhere else dropped by 46 percent. Such fraud could not happen without the news media's alliance in the dishonesty; it goes utterly unreported. Here are more examples. Everyone remembers the press's podium-pounding for Clinton's Crime Bill and its "urgently needed" juvenile gun transfer provisions. It became law. But nobody is reporting that, out of thousands of certain offenders, his Justice Department bothered to prosecute only five people in 1997 and six in 1998. Everyone remembers all the press support for his "desperately needed" semi-auto gun ban -- that outlawed guns based solely on their appearance. But nobody is reporting that, out of thousands of certain offenders, the Clinton
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- Hi Emael: how you been. From the time I was in school we were taught that the Wizard of Menlo Prk was a near perfect man; well, electrocuting a dog - how sadistic can one get. The only stuff I had on Edison was good stuff, where he allegedly fired Tesla and ridiculed his electric chair. When I check this out, it ws back in 1987when I got into the weather modification stuff, and was told it was classified since 1965in error, I blamed Tesla for the programartificial lightning, have documented evidence of man made earthquakes which they could not control and backed off, tornados now no longer an act of Godthe insurance companies have almost gone broke paying for some of this stuff. If Edison electrocuted a dog in his electric chair, that is about the lowest, most despicable thing anyone could do. I remember when they were murdering pit bulls just because they werre given a bad name by the press. Its a wonder the Humane Society did not step inby the way, cattle mutilations, etc., and somehow this is connected I think to melatonin projects, etc., some secret...they use cattle pineal glands...and some of these people - well this stuff is awful. Even the mad cow disease; the pineal glands would be worth more than the beef.something wrong here. This is an interesting thing, but I have a lot of work to do here on that. Goodbye Emael..thanks for the information. I can hardly believe that; however, to read books on Edison's work or the work of Teslamy god, Ted Beardon would have best sellers if he wrote the movies where people are being blown over the rainbow with Tesla's work..but he gets very technical as a nuclear engineer. At least, the net is getting this stuff out. Maxwell, my Pit Bulll.in Columbus they executed a Pit Bull named Luke, that looked just like my Maxwellhe had been used by drug pushers, etc., and when they got caught - they had also trained him for a pit I guess - but there was nothing I could do to save Luke and they executed her or him before I could get help. These dogs are the nicest dogs in the world. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om