Re: [CTRL] [604] Re: The I can't bring love peace
-Caveat Lector- Hi Evan. The observer is the observed! They are not different! When you are hungry you go to eat food, are you being impatient? When you see an oncoming car about to hit you you move out of its way, are you being impatient? Being blind to the present danger, you wonder what's the rush? From: Kakulja Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [604] Re: The I can't bring love peace Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:51:15 -0700 [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] From: Jacob Sabat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:10:53 + Subject: [604] The I can't bring love peace You are the world. When you change, the world changes. Pretty simple. The I says, it's not gonna happen, it will take time, it is almost impossible to visualize. You see, the I is limited. The I is the accumulation of memory. It is always limited. Yet the I thinks it will make it happen. The I can't bring love peace! See that fact now. What happens? I see your point of trying to make clear the difference between the controler and the experiment or the observer and the observed, but don't let your I die in the process. taking credit can lead to ego, which is natural and usually gives weight to the memories in which the 'I' normally resides. You're right, the important activity is taking place 'outside' and outside is where unity, love and togetherness can be freely expresed, but inside is a sensitive creature that needs to be loved and respected, even recognized, nothing wrong with that, cacoons often need to be nurtured and respected too. Shame Pride are debillitating psychosomatic diseases that can be cured with sensitive understanding, love and patience. Jacob, patience is probably a virtue that would help you communicate your ideas better. (I could be wrong maybe you're rushing us for a reason) The brain which was previously noisy is now silent spacious. The silence is sensitivity which is intelligence which is action. The action is no longer according to past knowledge but the direct perception of what is. Action without the interpreter. All this is happening every moment in a flash. In silence, time comes to an end. What are you waiting for? It can happen right now! Just read the book which is the I. Pure observation of the I is the ending of the I. Love is where I am not. Love is here, love is there, love flows through you and all around you, how could you understand what is Love unless you too are love. Sometimes the simple becomes complex and we become preoccupied with maintaining the fact of simplicity while we forget that the complex is what we were simply interested in the first place. you said the 'I' cant bring love and peace, you speak of letting the 'me' die, and claim chaos is a 'bad' thing connecting it to violence and agression... I suggest you let some more boundaries disolve or disapear within yourself and between yourself and others, once it is clear that we are in the same place or have similar intentions the mutual support helps us pursue our goals of love and intelligence, however individual they might be. I enjoyed this post of yours, a little more understandable than the others. -Evan _,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,_ `'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'` Interdimensional devices; levitating, spinning, crawling and sliding. Linking, dividing, harmonizing and synergizing qualities, forms, waves and realities. Trans-technological singularities of temporal matrices, hyper-functional crystaline mathematic fractal baby gizmos of light, color and sound, busy, busy, busy. ~ Such stuff as dreams are made of ~ Not Shpongled enough? Then Get Twisted at http://twisted.co.uk _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A
[CTRL] All is one
-Caveat Lector- I am no one's guru. Please, we are not interested in platitudes ot theories here. We are walking together, enquiring together. We are both looking at what is. We are interested in facts, not interpretations. Not agreeing or disagreeing. Looking, listening. All is not two. Alone (= all is one) but not isolated. Isolation, separation are inventions of thought. If Ghandi opposed, exerted will, made a choice, then he was violent. If he acted effortlessly choicelessly without motive, then there was no violence. Being a violent person, I don't know what is effortless, choiceless action without a motive. From: Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jacob Sabat [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [604] Force Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:02:27 -0700 OK, this is getting plainly silly, Jacob. Your apparent inability to speak to others here on this list with plain language, not always guru-sounding platitudes, is hurting your ability to communicate those thoughts to others, I think, and you have many good things to say. So, may I present this view? In my view, there is I, Me, which some have called the soul or spirit, or Ego, Super Ego and Id, or what have you. There is the we, and you and I are the parts of it, if referring to you and me. And then there is the whole, of which we all, and everything, is a part. And we, all of us, and everything, is connected. To deny that connection is to not realize that, and that is destructive, as nothing lives or exists in complete isolation, spiritually nor physically. However, if you simply state that there is nothing but the whole, and that we should always and only see that, then you contradict yourself, for why would you try to convince anyone (another person) that there is anything but this if that were true? It wouldn't be necessary, if you realize that fully. Additionally, if, as you say, you refer to personal views and philosophies, and how we view the big picture, then may I present to you one obvious example: if Mohatma Gandhi had not opposed the British Empire with the sheer will of opposition by inaction, which is force, then they might still be ruling India today, yet he accomplished this without firing a shot or taking violent force into his philosophy. I don't think that Gandhi himself, if he were alive today, would deny that, presented today with this debate. If you wish to accomplish anything, including what he accomplished, in this world ruled mainly by force of wills, then you must use force, but only when necessary, and, in his and my views, it is best accomplished by non-violent force (i.e. not taking up arms). The form which you choose to embody and therefore enact this force is up to you, the individual (and there it is again, the I, the me), and, to make the very best choices, one must look deeply into one's self, as well as to realize that there is the whole, and how you affect it by your use of force. So, may I present to you, Jacob, that force takes many forms, and that it exists anyway, even without us humans, and that not seeing the potential good of that is not really seeing the whole at all. OK, off my soapbox ... - jt - Original Message - From: Jacob Sabat [EMAIL PROTECTED] As long as there is a me a you, there will be struggle all the time. Since the me is made of contradictory fragments, there is struggle within oneself too. (The me is not whole; it is not an individual (undivisible) it can never= be whole). When you see this fact, with all your heart, the rest will follow. Don't agree or disagree, find out, go to the very end of the enquiry. From: Craig Durkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 03:26:33AM +, Jacob Sabat wrote: Force is always violence. When the me is not, there is just flow, like an instrument being played. I just don't understand. What is the purpose of this? What is the point of taking apart a simple quote from a movie, and seeing as an ideological attack? I just don't see why. I understand the whole hippie/spirtual/new-age/grand unifying theory du jour attractiveness. It doesn't do it for me, but I understand it. And with= a lot of those schools of thought, especially the area you tend to be leaning (judging from your past posts), open-mindedness is key. The sort of openmindedness where one thinks maybe they are just quoting a movie...maybe this isn't a statement of oppression. Not everything is a struggle... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Jerusalem Post Newspaper : Online News From Israel - Features Article
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Saba wrote: So here is the story of the man who had plans on the table already for 4 new buildings to replace World Trade Center.. Because it was one of the designs submitted OVER 30 YEARS AGO, when the WTC was originally being planned; read the article again, it clearly states that fact. June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Woe to Ariel?
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:16:37 -0700, The Public Image [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Saba wrote: You do not like my stuff do not read it and I am sick of your crap. I know what you are...maybe not who, but what. firstly, i don't post things on this list often enough for you to be sick of my crap. i only toss in my two cents when i think i've got something of value to add. perhaps you might follow my example. and frankly, i ignore very nearly everything you post, but your stupid bible code bit tonite was downright offensive. if you can predict major events with such accuracy, why weren't you talking about this shit yesterday, or the day before that? What difference would it have made? If someone had predicted this before it happened, people would call him a complete nut. If it actually happened, they would have called him a conspirator and turned him in to the FBI. Prophets can't win. It's the nature of the job. Prophets throughout history have been hunted, tortured and crucified. Damaeus -- .. | AIM:Damaeus |Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | ICQ:18405845 |New Age, Conspiracy, UFO, Alien TV Listings | |---'. http://www.web-recon.com/continuum/tv | | YahooMessenger:Damaeus | http://www.web-recon.com | ''---' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: America to Wage War for USSR Inheritance]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: America to Wage War for USSR Inheritance Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:59:07 -0500 (CDT) From: TARGETS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; URL for this article: http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/afghan2.htm www.tenc.net [Emperor's Clothes] === America to Wage War for USSR Inheritance by Anatoli Baranov [posted 20 September 2001] === The operation in Afghanistan has the following objective: to make the region closer to the zone of USAs vital interests. To begin with, the American army intends to gain control of the airports and other areas on Turkmenistans territory (including the former Soviet republic in Termez). It is interesting that America is interested in the former Soviet base Bagram, which is on the territory of Afghanistan. This base is currently under the control of NATO. In addition, the USA is going to bring its influence back into NATO: the tragic and very timely Ahmad Shah Masoods death (Afghan opposition leader). This scenario raises a lot of doubts regarding the versions of the acts of terrorism in New York and Washington, for there is only one country that is gaining absolute and long-term profit out of these acts. However there are doubts about the lack of information of the other members of the western intelligence community regarding the preparation for the terrorist attack. Most likely, such information was available, but all of the special services were blocking it for some reason. In this case, it is absolutely not important who gave the freedom of action to the suicidal terrorists. (Quoted from Mr. Baranov's text, below) The world is waiting for the war. There are so many different messages appearing on this subject, it is hard to read them all. It is also hard to say how many people on the planet try to guess what will happen in the nearest future. The sources in the Russian special services are not standing aside in this respect and PRAVDA.Ru has recently touched upon one of them. According to the estimations from this very respectable organization, the USAs incursion into Afghanistan will be carried out taking into consideration the British and Russian experiences. Missiles and bombardment will be used under the old scenario and special military forces will be used as well nothing new... America will increase its military presence along the entire 40th parallel, which is what we can see now in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Macedonia; soon we will also see it in the republics of Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenia, and Uzbekistan. The Injirlik military base, which is deployed in Turkey, will surely be modernized, and this base will become one of the key points of the American presence. The establishment of reserve points on the territory of several countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States will be performed under different forms. However, the mid-Caspian area and Turkmenias deposits will be taken under the control of the United States. It should be mentioned that the authorities of Azerbaijan and Georgia republics are in willing contact with NATO and the United States. The republics of Middle Asia are more reserved in their aspiration to change their orientation from Russia to the USA, because these republics are situated far away from the American bases and Russias military presence is there. The operation in Afghanistan has the following objective: to make the region closer to the zone of USAs vital interests. To begin with, the American army intends to gain control of the airports and other areas on Turkmenistans territory (including the former Soviet republic in Termez). It is interesting that America is interested in the former Soviet base Bagram, which is on the territory of Afghanistan. This base is currently under the control of NATO. In addition, the USA is going to bring its influence back into NATO: the tragic and very timely Ahmad Shah Masoods death (Afghan opposition leader). Therefore, Russias control over the region of Central Asia is going to fade away. The same thing will happen with its control over the Caucasus. The USA will make the republics of Middle Asia to reconsider the Collective Security Treaty of the CIS and Russian troops will be called back to Russian territory. The United States will gain total control over Central Asia, over the Indian ocean, and the country will be able to efficiently control the processes in Indo-China and Indonesia. This will actually bring about the total control of the United States of America over the Islamic world, since the moves of Iran, Pakistan, and Iraq will depend upon the military presence of the United States. This scenario raises a lot of doubts regarding the versions of the acts of terrorism in New York and Washington, for there is only one country that is gaining absolute and long-term profit out of these acts. However there are doubts about
[CTRL] Marshall or Martial? was FIRST WAR OF THE 21ST CENTURY
-Caveat Lector- Marshall law makes me think of Gunsmoke. Martial law makes me think of Hitler and Stalin. Maybe if there were more of the former it could prevent the latter. Tenorlove showing my age [21 again, 21 always] This present infiltrated government would love to have Marshall Law, __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Salon, 1998: Is bin Laden a terrorist mastermind -- or a fall guy?
-Caveat Lector- My hunch from the get-go has been that Bin Laden is being Oswalded. I'm glad someone with credentials that my friends will accept finally wrote the same thing. [Shut up Tenorlove, I don't want to hear your silly conspiracy theories! except there were 2 other words between shut and up and they used a different word than silly.] Thanks, Kris for posting this. __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US cyber forces attacking EU banks
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 02:40:58 -0500 (CDT) From: InfoSec News [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ISN] U.S. could use cybertactics to seize bin Laden's assets http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO64072,00.html By DAN VERTON September 20, 2001 WASHINGTON -- U.S. officials mobilizing to freeze the financial assets of international terrorist Osama bin Laden may resort to cybermethods, such as hacking, to cut off the money supply that has been used to finance his terrorist activities, including the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, of which he is the prime suspect. Intelligence and security experts said the U.S. government, using diplomatic channels, doesn't expect to receive cooperation from all of the hundreds of banks, holding companies and other private enterprises and fictitious front companies that bin Laden uses to hide his estimated $300 million personal fortune. As a result, the U.S. intelligence community might use cybermethods to put a virtual stranglehold on bin Laden's global terror organization, Al Qaeda. While acknowledging that the operation could take years, security officials said that such an attempt was possible. Experts recognize that finding bin Laden's money, which is believed hidden in 50 countries in small amounts at hundreds of banks, companies and charitable organizations, will be difficult. Still, if the accounts that store the money can be located, hacking experts said it is well within the technical capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to make it disappear forever. In the U.S., the Knight-Ridder news service quoted a U.S. Treasury Department official, who spoke anonymously, saying that the government ordered bin Laden's U.S. assets seized in the mid-1990s, but nothing was recovered. However, the government said in January it had seized assets worth $245 million from Taliban, the militant Islamic group running the government of Afghanistan, the news service said. Hacking into the computer systems of banks and other financial institutions around the world raises a number of coordination and legal challenges, said experts. You'd need a lot of things in place, said Ken Van Wyk, chief technology officer at Para-Protect Services Inc., an IT security firm in Centreville, Va. For example, federal agents would need in-depth knowledge of the bank and how the bank operates, the names and account numbers in question, and at a minimum, access codes, such as personal identification numbers, to the accounts, said Van Wyk. In many instances, inside help, such as a bank employee, would be required to both learn the inner workings of the bank's IT operations and to gain unquestioned access to the accounts. However, if bin Laden's associates who control the account can show that the funds were stolen, the financial institution would be required to simply restore them, said experts. We have seen theft of money out of banks using electronic means. It has certainly happened, said Van Wyk. For example, in 1994, a 24-year-old Russian programmer hacked into Citibank's systems and made off with $10 million. Likewise, a German bank this week threatened a lawsuit against producers of a local television show for hiring hackers to break into the bank's servers and download customer names, account numbers, PINs and IP addresses, But the bulk of the work that needs to be done to hack bin Laden's money would be nontechnical in nature, Van Wyk said. I would expect that the name on the account is probably not Osama bin Laden. It's probably extremely well hidden, he said. To steal it would require some insiders who are sympathetic to the cause, said Winn Schwartau, an information warfare expert and president of security firm Interpact Inc. in Seminole, Fla. With corporate shells and fast-moving money, it's going to be difficult. But not impossible. Computerworld asked a hacker known as Gen, the head of a U.S.-based group of more than 100 hackers, how such a sophisticated hacking operation might be carried out. Hacking into the bank and stealing the money would be the easy part, Gen said, in an interview via e-mail. There would be two possible attacks to bring this to reality: social engineering and old-school hacking, said Gen.Hacking would be accomplished by breaking into the servers of whatever institution he was hiding his funds in. This type of hacking would really be no different then hacking a Web server. It's what you do afterward that would be impressive. Other practical skills would be critical to pull off such a heist, Gen said. You would need someone who can speak his native tongue, someone who sounds like him [and] possibly someone who looks like him, he said. In addition, a hacking operation should first have knowledge of the subject's account structures and the passwords used to secure his funds, or to alert members of the banks and credit unions of a false
Re: [CTRL] I see bad signs
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- I see bad signs. The smart thing would be to conduct a determined, professional operation to destroy the attackers. I fear the D.C. armchair stategists, international jugglers, and bureacratic crusaders goaded on by drooling military corporate contractors will be launching a mirror image of the Insane War on Drugs. After all many of these newly minted anti terrorist experts have long been wondering around vacant eyed and depressed since the Cold War ended. If this thing is turned into a self righteous, arrogant crusade against all the alleged evil groups in the world (as defined by us) we will quickly lose all international sympathy and instead engender fear, loathing and jealously over nation state sovereignty which ultimately might very well encourage even more terror attacks on our homeland or get us bogged down in some God forsaken flea bitten foreign killing fields. We could wind up losing huge amounts of taxpayers dollars to a never ending War Against All Evil as well as leaving our Bill of Rights in tatters. Now is the time to be as vigilant against the Domestic Political Terrorists who seek any excuse to bomb the Bill of Rights as we will be against our international enemies. When you hear some blow dried politician use the words: I am not in favor of giving up our civil liberties but... assume that bugger is about to announce some new police state rule. I do not believe in fear mongeringI do believe in learning valuable lessons from History. flw Hear hear. J2 Putin and Chirac suggest that UN leads the allies By Anton La Guardia, Diplomatic Editor (Filed: 21/09/2001) RUSSIA and France called yesterday for the United Nations to lead the fight against terrorism, in a veiled warning that America should seek explicit approval for military action against Afghanistan. A Kremlin statement said President Putin and President Chirac had agreed in a telephone conversation to back emerging consensus in favour of uniting the world community's long-term efforts against terrorism following the attacks on New York and Washington. It was stressed that it was vital, to this end, to make use of all i nternational mechanisms, first and foremost the UN and its Security Council, the statement said. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Combating Terrorism. OR -[( Blows against the Empire )]
-Caveat Lector- From Bill Thomson, Professor at the University of Michigan and a Middle East expert: Combating Terrorism Bill Thomson September 12, 2001 Yesterday's horrible events in New York and Washington, DC require all of us to express collective disbelief at the appalling loss of innocent human life and to express our heartfelt condolences to the victims, their families and their friends. Such brutal slaughter must be unconditionally condemned whenever and wherever it occurs. No cause, no matter how nobly perceived by its followers, can justify such wanton destruction of innocent people. Today, as we inevitably begin the healing process and the search for answers and solutions, there is much speculation about who the perpetrators of these acts might be, and what form an appropriate retaliation might take. This morning's New York Times states that the best defense against terrorism is good, timely intelligence, and other media, government and military officials suggest a wide range of retaliatory options, ranging from overwhelming military strikes to Draconian suspensions of our most cherished freedoms and liberties--freedoms and liberties which define the unique American experience. In order to understand yesterday's events and to prevent their reoccurrence, I believe that we need to consider two ideas. First, I think we must accept the fact that there is not, and can never be, a 100% foolproof intelligence or military remedy for terrorist acts. I would even go so far as to say that unless certain basic changes are made in our political and economic outlook as Americans, such acts will inevitably reoccur, and they will become increasing deadly. Just as we today look at the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center as mild in comparison to yesterday's events, I believe that with the increased miniaturization of nuclear capability and the widespread availability of chemical and biological toxins, some day we will be faced with events of overwhelmingly tragic dimensions. Just as there is no way to stop people from committing murder if they are willing to give up their lives, there can also not be any way to guarantee our collective safety from individuals or groups who are willing to sacrifice their lives in a terrorist attack. The second consideration is ask a question which has been completely absent in the analysis of yesterday's tragedy--why would a person or group commit such a heinous act? Why would the United States be chosen, and why would the particular targets of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon be picked? Whoever is found to be the perpetrators of yesterday's terrorism, it is certain that they will be demonized and characterized as somehow being outside the pale of human understanding. And if we demonize sufficiently, we might be able to justify our need for revenge, but we will have missed a crucial opportunity for understanding, and for gaining the insight and wisdom that are the only tools with which we might avoid future attacks. At the risk of sounding like an apologist for a despicable act, I would like to provide some possibilities for understanding the roots of this tragedy: 1. We Americans, comprising some 4% of the world's population, consume approximately 40% of its resources. We appear to assume that the resources found in other parts of the world are somehow our birthright. Imagine how this is experienced in third world countries, many of whom have been the recipient of United States military attacks. 2. We maintain this consumption, in large part, because we have the most powerful military in the world, and since WW II we have not hesitated to use it for political and/or economic gain in places like China (1945-46), Korea (1950-53), China (1950-53), Guatemala (1954), Indonesia (1958), Cuba (1959-60), Guatemala (1960), Congo (1964), Peru (1965), Laos (1964-73), Vietnam (1961-73), Cambodia (1969-70), Guatemala (1967-69), Grenada (1983), Libya (1986), El Salvador (1980s), Nicaragua (1980s), Panama (1989), Iraq (1991-present), Sudan (1998), Afghanistan (1998) and Yugoslavia (1999). We have bombed each of these countries in turn, and in NO case did a democratic government, respectful of human rights, occur as a direct result. Through our weapons and/or proxies, innocent civilians o Indonesia, East Timor, Chile, Nicaragua and Palestine have also been victims of the United States. Is it any wonder that the level of hatred of the United States is so high? Former President Jimmy Carter stated, We have only to go to Lebanon, to Syria, to Jordan, to witness firsthand the intense hatred among many people for the United States, because we bombed and shelled and unmercifully killed totally innocent villagers, women and children and farmers and housewives, in those villages around Beirut...as a result, we have become a kind of Satan in the minds of those who are deeply resentful. That is what precipitated the taking of hostages and that is what has precipitated
Re: [CTRL] You have already capitulated
-Caveat Lector- I see what you are saying. What will awaken intelligence? What area do live in? Love Peace...Jacob (NYC) From: Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] You have already capitulated Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 04:54:31 -0700 I know many people who believe they would die if they had to live without money and/or an automobile. These people long ago became citizens of the New World Order. They are completely brainwashed into thinking the current system is the only one that will support their life. So ask yourself a few questions. Do you use money created from nothing by the NWO planners? If so, you have already capitulated. Do you have credit cards with available credit, used or unused? If so, you have already capitulated. Do you buy the Biblical prophecy and believe it will be fulfilled? If so, you have already capitulated. Do you still think you live in a democracy, despite overwhelming evidence that the U.S.A. has been a fascist military dictatorship for at least 50 years? If so, you have already capitulated. It is not America that needs to be subdued in order to implement their plans. That was done long ago. No, it is still necessary to eliminate all other currencies and banking systems before the world can be united. For as long as humans believe they need currency to live, controlled by some central authority, there will be no avoiding the New World Order. But then most of us never think about how we would live in the absence of our god, money. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Woe to Ariel?
-Caveat Lector- What area do you in? Jacob (NYC) From: Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Woe to Ariel? Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 06:33:27 -0500 -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:16:37 -0700, The Public Image [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Saba wrote: You do not like my stuff do not read it and I am sick of your crap. I know what you are...maybe not who, but what. firstly, i don't post things on this list often enough for you to be sick of my crap. i only toss in my two cents when i think i've got something of value to add. perhaps you might follow my example. and frankly, i ignore very nearly everything you post, but your stupid bible code bit tonite was downright offensive. if you can predict major events with such accuracy, why weren't you talking about this shit yesterday, or the day before that? What difference would it have made? If someone had predicted this before it happened, people would call him a complete nut. If it actually happened, they would have called him a conspirator and turned him in to the FBI. Prophets can't win. It's the nature of the job. Prophets throughout history have been hunted, tortured and crucified. Damaeus -- .. | AIM:Damaeus |Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | ICQ:18405845 |New Age, Conspiracy, UFO, Alien TV Listings | |---'. http://www.web-recon.com/continuum/tv | | YahooMessenger:Damaeus | http://www.web-recon.com | ''---' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: A LONG VIEW
by William Mandel Oakland, California 9/11/01 5:36 PM The attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center are the most important event in world history since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The disappearance of the USSR ended a half century in which two powers dominated the world. The casualties in New York, Washington, and in the skies made an end to the belief that the United States could continue waging wars costing us no blood, whether in no-fly zones over Iraq, in Kosovo, or anywhere else on any continent. For fifty-six years Washington has successfully conducted mass murders of noncombatant civilians from the air with no fear of retaliation. In 1945, when Japan could no longer strike back, there was Hiroshima, 75,000 killed. Then Nagasaki, 40,000 killed. The Korean War cost that country, with no possible means of harming the United States, 4,000,000 dead [Encyclopedia Brittanica] versus 34,000 Americans, or more than 100 Koreans per American. Most of the Korean deaths were caused by American carpet bombing (white phosphorus, napalm, explosives)to break the will to resist, and therefore were predominantly civilian. The numbers in the Vietnam War were of the same orders of magnitude.Desert Storm has slaughtered 6,000 Iraqi children per month since the end of the fighting, due to the embargo against necessities. Until now the vast majority of Americans have clucked their tongues over these things and gone about their business. No more. The deaths in the collapsed New York towers, the Pentagon, and the crashed airliner are 6,000 [number corrected post 9/11]. The super-expensive space and information age espionage technology of the National Security Agency, as well as the more conventional activities of the CIA and FBI are now the laughing stock of the world. As to the Defense Intelligence Agency in the Pentagon, I wonder if it was accidental that the plane striking that building hit exactly the section where that agency was housed. There is simply nothing Washington can do to restore the situation existing before this morning. Even if it decides to blame Saddam Hussein, and nukes Baghdad off the face of the earth, it will accomplish nothing in a world of suicide bombers and underground organizations capable of working in complete secrecy and with perfect coordination. Undoubtedly U.S.intelligence(?!)operations will be multiplied. That guarantees absolutely nothing. The Korean War was accompanied by the rise of McCarthyism. It is possible that today's events may bring similar hysteria and suppression of civil liberties. Not only would that further diminish the civil liberties that are one of this country's proudest achievements, but by so doing it would reduce the ability of the citizenry to ask the necessary questions about the policies responsible for the hatred of the United States expressed in this catastrophe. The time has come to realize that the motivation that brought about our Revolutionary War in 1776 is the strongest single force active in the world today. Peoples will be independent, no matter what Washington, Wall Street, and Silicon Valley want to do with and in their countries. The United States must either adapt to that or suffer the fate of ancient Rome. William Mandel, Oakland, California (37 years [1958-1995] on Pacifica Radio stations Do you teach in the social sciences? Consider my SAYING NO TO POWER (Creative Arts, Berkeley, 1999), for course use. It was written as a social history of the U.S. for the past three-quarters of a century through the eyes of a participant observer in most progressive social movements (I'm 84), and of the USSR from the standpoint of a Sovietologist (five earlier books) knowing that country longer than any other in the profession. Therefore it is also a history of the Cold War. Positive reviews in The Black Scholar, American Studies in Scandinavia, San Francisco Chronicle, forthcoming in Tikkun, etc. Chapters are up at http://www.billmandel.net
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The Subversion of America by the Science/Energy/Drug/Secrecy Cabal -- and the solution
The Subversion of America by the Science/Energy/Drug/Secrecy Cabal -- and the solution A most intriguing compilation inspired from last night's discovery of www.brojon.com below excerpted and augmented with related passages and links. While the world recovers from the shock of the September 11, 2001, tragedy in America, many wonder how, by whom, and to what purpose the faith of Islam could have been so perverted to justify and motivate such atrocities. In the article at http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html Who Is Osama Bin Laden? by Michel Chossudovsky, Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa, of the Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), Montréal Posted 12 September 2001, he explains with detailed footnotes how the US objectives implemented by its CIA during the Afghan war against the USSR are connected to the illegal drug trade and multinational energy companies' determination to access the vast oil reserves via a pipeline through Yugoslavia or Afghanistan and Pakistan, and how CIA sponsored guerrilla training was [intentionally] integrated with the teachings of Islam bringing about this perversion so that Islamic terrorism could become a tool of American foreign policy ironically and intentionally visited on America 9-11. At the same time a premier public source of US military intelligence, JANE'S: REPORT SHOWS IRAQ'S SADDAM NOT BIN LADEN ATTACKED WTC http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr010919_1_n.sh tml The Machiavellianism of modern politics is also being fueled by the ammorality of modern science which since WWII has basically been co-opted, taken over via funding and dual-use US secrecy restrictions, and harnessed by the same military-intelligence-industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned us about that is responsible for the mentality of the CIA's covert and brutal enforcement of US heavy handed foreign policy around the globe. http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/09/09/stinwenws01025.html SCIENCE LOOKS FOR NEW EINSTEIN TO REWRITE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS -- Hawking, et. al., on multiverse A theoretical physicist who fancies himself as this new Einstein because of his post-quantum physics of consciousness theory, Dr. Jack Sarfatti PhD's Internet Science Education Project's advanced theoretical physics networking http://www.stardrive.org , mentioned repeatedly in stories about his old friend Ira Einhorn who claims to have been framed for murder for reasons related to this information http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ira-einhorn , discusses information for decades being monitored by the CIA Directorate of Science and Technology perhaps as part of an overall blind alley strategy to inflate pieces of the multi-issue and multi-faceted secrecy puzzle to prevent the public from putting the pieces together to see the nature and scope of what is really happening as corruption (unabated fear, ignorance, arrogance and greed) in science and technology infects governmental, economic, industrial, and corporate policies and officials to the highest levels. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcwilliams/message/120 See also related post on Star Wars and HAARP info at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcwilliams/message/124 http://www.brojon.com/frontpage/bj073001.html SON OF STAR WARS MISSILE DEFENSE -- IS IT A FRAUDULENT DECEPTION ??? 7/30/01 http://www.brojon.com/frontpage/bj072301.html SON OF STAR WARS - THE HAARP / FORT GREELY CONNECTION 7/21/01 http://www.brojon.com/frontpage/bj040501.html HAARP: WEATHER, POPULATION, AND MIND CONTROL --- AND THE EDUCATIONAL-RESEARCH-COMPLEX It is not just the advanced weaponry issue obfuscated by this secrecy policy and blind alley suppression strategy implemented by America's media and educational institutions, but also the applications for energy and environmental remediation of history's most suppressed vegetable, the hemp plant, which was made illegal even for biofuels coincident with the rise of the petroleum/fossil-fuel monopolies -- an insane and cynical DrugWar prohibition flying in the face of every government report since Nixon which all support ending the fraud on the US Congress and its people whereby hemp has been outlawed as marijuana http://www.jackherer.com http://www.chrisconrad.com Because of its prolific biomass per acre, it is estimated that a small portion of the fallow US farmland grown in hemp and converted to biofuels would replace all the fossil fuels used for US transportation. Instead, what do we get? Wars over drugs and wars over energy. http://www.brojon.com [excerpt from article at end of this post...current bottom line of this url] The current 'war' on Afghanistani terrorism is a misdirection and a hoax. As pointed out in the book Black Gold Hot Gold the oil expected to flow from the vast oilfields under the Russian Caspian Sea, discovered about 20 years ago remains undrilled and untapped. That field contains about 500 years worth of oil at present world consumption
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Germany refuses to join in NATO military action
Source: http://www.paknews.com/main.php?id=6date1=2001-09-16 Germany refuses to join in NATO military action ISLAMABAD, Sep 16 (PNS): Following the pattern of Norway, Germany has also declined to participate in any direct military action launched by North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to combat terrorism. According to Voice of Germany (VOG), the country would take measures only to facilitate the administrative work for its allies. NATO's policy-making council invoked a Cold War-era mutual defence pledge for the first time Wednesday, declaring that the attack on the US was an attack on all allies and could draw a collective military response It is pertinent to mention here that Norway has already announced its refusal to participate in any military action launched by NATO against Afghanistan. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[CTRL] Fwd: Rona Barrett of the New Left
AGAIN, in your face! It's RONA! OK. Tonight's fix. CUT THIS beauty OUT and paste it in your DASHBOARD. http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=010915001184query=Terrorism+Escape+Clause or dig it out, yourself by going to The London FINANCIAL TIMES at http://www.financialtimes.com and do a search on this phrase TERRORISM ESCAPE CLAUSE you'll get the url above, an article that goes like this. ASSAULT ON AMERICA INVESTIGATION: Terrorism escape clause in World Trade Center lease PROPERTY: By NORMA COHEN The owners of the demolished World Trade Center in lower Manhattan acquired the buildings just two months ago under a 99-year lease allowing them to walk away from their investment in the event of an act of terrorism. The owners, Silverstein Properties and Westfield America - a shopping mall specialist - purchased the buildings from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey for Dollars 3.2bn in July and completed the financing just two weeks ago. Neither of the buyers would comment on terms of the lease, but such a clause would be considered reasonable for the purchase of a building that had already seen a terrorist bombing and was considered a possible future target. The lease document is understood to spell out certain conditions under which the lessees could walk away from their obligation to spend Dollars 200m in capital improvements and pay annual rental charges. It is understood that the buildings are insured for more than Dollars 3billion, enough to cover rebuilding costs. However, an executive connected to the buyers said: Ultimately, the decision will be made by politicians. It is a state and federal government decision about whether or not to rebuild on the site. Larry Silverstein, chairman of Silverstein Properties, said yesterday that he was determined to rebuild on the site. It would be the tragedy of tragedies not to rebuild on this part of New York, Mr Silverstein was quoted as telling the Wall Street Journal. It would give the terrorists the victory they seek, he said, adding that he felt a moral (YEA) obligation to rebuild on the site. Although there have been some suggestions that the site should be left vacant as a memorial park, its location at the heart of America's financial capital means it is probably far too valuable to lie undeveloped. Copyright: The Financial Times Limited IN other words, the real ex owners, the bank, Chase Manhattan, CITIBANK, which is really the IMF...are off the hook. They got their payoff and are out of it. These new people don't LOSE money, they have 99 years to make money after they rebuild. My comment is jeez, If they'd only told us earlier, that the IMF was no longer the landlord, MAYBE we'd have gotten OUR kid off whatever floor! THEY damn well KNEW it was coming. Ben Chambers, of 47th floor said in PEOPLE MAGAZINE today last few weeks they've been making us have ESCAPE DRILLS! SOMEBODY UPSTAIRS KNEW! So, to sum this up, no big IMF or NYC bank was left holding the bag, the new lessors (who bought a pig in a poke) saved a few billion tearing the old ratty thing down for free and cheap. It was a firetrap and they knew it, shafts and stairwells carried heat. NOBODY CARED what terrorists were going to DO to this bldg. It hadn't been owned by IMF city bank and CHASE MANHATTAN for several WEEKS! The new lessors can collect and rebuild. Hey, BAD TIMING TERRORISTS. You just gave the BUSH OIL COMPANY and its KUWAIT and SAUDI chums just the spectacular HORROR SHOW that they always wanted! WTC HARBOR! THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST ON A PLATE as the spoils of a long and costly (let me rephrase that) CHEAP war. Cheap cuz they own the pentagon and the war toy companies so they make bux there and your son's life is real cheap. Army boys get what, a 100$ a week? So citizens of the USA? How do you spell SHAFT? The people always get the gov they deserve! We who let FLORIDA VOTE HIM IN deserve him. We who drive gas guzzlers deserved BUSH and OIL PREXY. Just a month ago, KUWAIT AND THE BUSH HOUSTON OIL COMPANIES all merged. Want that current event sent you by me? Someone should get Ed Begley and all the celeb visionaries to impeach THE GAS CAR and give us a clean air world. No cancer for your grandkids. We had such great AIR in LA the four days jets didn't fly. Maybe we can run airplanes on something other than fossil fuel, too.
[CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] Misdirection
Letter from Ramallah - "Israel is pounding us even as I write" Sept 16, 2001 - Ramallah I am writing to you now to the sound of Israel's "Defense Forces" pounding the living daylights out of my hometown Ramallah. As the whole world is too busy paying tributes to the victims of terror attacks in NYC and DC, Israel has had a field day in terror attacks of their own on us here. Since the attacks in the US, the Israelis have taken their assaults on Palestinians to new heights. Every day they have invaded a few cities using tanks, helicopters, and fighter jets. Since the beginning of the intifada, there has not been so much Israeli aggression like that witnessed since last Tuesday. No one could put this clearer than Shaul Mofaz, Israel's Chief of Staffs, who boasted that his forces have killed tens of Palestinians and no one in the world said anything. Indeed, since last Tuesday there have been unrelenting attacks on each Palestinian city for no reason. Since the beginning of the Intifada Israelis have carried out only 2 or 3 such attacks, while since Tuesday, there has been at least a dozen. Tens of Palestinian martyrs have fallen, and their cries have fallen on deaf ears in this world. Everyone seems to be more interested in backing that raging cowboy Bush as he declares his country going into war against a yet unidentified enemy. The attack on the WTC and Pentagon, is a clear act of terror that I, and millions of Palestinians, denounce. Yet it must be really painful to see how the whole world has had nothing to do in the last few days but mourn the victims, while more than a million and a half civilian Iraqis have died since the beginning of the US terror campaign on Iraq. Why did no one weep for them, why did no one weep for the hundreds of thousands in Rwanda, and why is my people's suffering under the illegal Israeli occupation no longer interesting to anyone? Excuse me if my thoughts are a bit incoherent, or if my sentences seem to make little sense, but it is really hard to concentrate with Apache choppers hovering a few hundred feet above your head, armored tanks unleashing their might on your neighborhood, all sorts of missiles flashing across your window, and a nearby building being obliterated to rubble. If you don't hear from me anymore, then know that one of those missiles has managed to find its way to my room, turning me into a meaningless number in a meaningless statistic that no one will pay attention to. For some inexplicable reason I felt like writing this here and now, and sharing it with you, I would really appreciate it if you could pass it on to as many people as possible. Israel must not be allowed to continue its attacks on Palestinians. If terror is to be fought in this world, state terror is the first terror that must be eradicated. American attacks on civilians in Iraq, Sudan, and Yugoslavia, and Israel's continued terror in Palestine are primary examples. Finally, my heart goes out to every victim of terror in the world, to the people of Hiroshima, Auschwitz, Rwanda, Baghdad, Belgrade, Vietnam, New York, and DC, it is at moments like this that I feel your suffering and pain. I can now honestly say that I know what it feels like to be a victim. Yours Saifedean Ammous 16/9/20001 Ramallah, Palestine Source (Islamic Association of Palestine) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/TySplB/TM -~- == SPY NEWS is OSINT newsletter and discussion list associated to Mario's Cyberspace Station http://mprofaca.cro.net/mainmenu.html == *** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to SPYNEWS eGroup members who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- SPY NEWS home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spynews To change your subscription mode to Daily Digest (one message a day) send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe SPYNEWS send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario Profaca, independent journalist, SPY NEWS eGroup list owner, editor moderator, is a member of of the Committee of Concerned Journalists, an initiative administered through the offices of the Project for Excellence in Journalism in Washington, D.C. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[CTRL] Fwd: Robert Fisk Speaks
___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\©http://www.MiddleEast.Org News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know! -- IF YOU DON'T GET MER, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! To receive MER regularly email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The new MER Forum and Discussion Room are open: http://www.MiddleEast.Org/forum http://www.MiddleEast.Org/discussion --- INTERVIEW WITH ROBERT FISK AT BEIRUT AIRPORT IN LEBANON [Note: MERTV's 2-hour Exclusive Interview with Robert Fisk in 1997 can be found at -- http://www.MERTV.org] KIM HILL [Radio New Zealand on 19 Sept]: Can I talk to you about Osama Bin Laden? I don't know whether you are in favour of him becoming public enemy number one at the moment but I do know that you have met him and I wonder if you could give me some kind of insight into, first of all, is he capable of this. ROBERT FISK [The Independent, UK - longest serving Western Reporter in the Middle East]: Well, I've been trying to explain this in my own paper, the London Independent over the last few days and I'm not sure. We haven't actually seen the evidence that directly links him to not just an atrocity but a crime against humanity that took place in New York and Washington. On the other hand, the Afghan connection seems to be fairly strong. Could he have done it? He certainly hasn't condemned it although he denies being involved. The first time, no the second time I met him in Afghanistan when he was there with his armed fighters, I asked him if he had been involved in an attack on American troops at Al Hoba, in Saudi Arabia which had just taken place - 24 American soldiers had been killed - and he said no, it was not his doing, he was not responsible. He admitted that he knew two or three men who have since been executed, beheaded, by the Saudi authorities. He then said, I did not have the honour to participate in this operation. In other words, he approved of it. Now, you can go on saying that kind of thing - he did, several times over about other episodes later. At some point you begin to say, Come off it Bin Laden, surely you are saying there's a connection, but he's never said or admitted responsibility for any such event and he's denied specifically the atrocities in the United States. Is he capable of it? Look, I'll give you one tiny example. The second time I met him in Afghanistan, four years ago, at the top of a mountain, it was cold and in the morning when I woke in the camp tent, I had frost in my hair. He walked into the tent I was sitting in and sat down opposite me, cross-legged on the floor and noticed in the school bag I usually carry in rough country to keep things in, some Arabic-language newspapers and he seized upon these and went to the corner of the tent with a sputtering oil lamp and devoured the contents. For 20 minutes, he ignored us, he ignored the gunman sitting in the tent, he ignored me and he didn't even know, for example, that it was stated in one of the stories in the newspaper that the Iranian foreign minister had just visited Riyadh, his own country, Saudi Arabia, well, his until he lost his citizenship. So he seemed to me at the time to be very isolated, a cut off man, not the sort of person who would press a button on a mobile phone and say, Put plan B into action. So I don't think you can see this as a person who actually participates in the sense of planning, step-by-step, what happens in a nefarious attack. In other words, I doubt very much if he said, Well, four airplanes, five hijackers, etc.. But he is a person that has a very large following, particularly in the rather sinister Jihadi community or culture of Pakistan. And there is such anger in the Middle East at the moment about the American' s policies here and whether it be the deaths of tens of thousands of children in Iraq, which Osama Bin Laden has spoken about, whether it be continued occupation and expansion of Jewish settlements in Arab land which he's also spoken about, whether it be about the continued dictatorships, Ara b dictatorships, which are supported in large part by the west, especially in the Gulf area, about which Osama Ben Laden has spoken about and condemned, I think you find in this region, enough people who admire what he says, almost to conspire amongst themselves without involving him, in the kind of bombing attacks that we've seen in Saudi Arabia and I suppose it's conceivable, in the atrocities in the United States. But if you're looking for direct evidence, if
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] war on terror theartens war on drugs
War on Terrorism Threatens War on Drugs http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010920/ts/attack_afghan_drugs_dc_1.html Thursday September 20 1:28 PM ET War on Terrorism Threatens War on Drugs By David FoxISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The U.S. war on terrorism could threaten the success of a battle that Washington has been waging since Nancy Reagan first urged America to ``just say no'' nearly 20 years ago.U.N. officials said Thursday the current crisis gripping Afghanistan (news - web sites) in the wake of the attacks on Washington and New York could undermine the ``remarkable'' progress the Taliban-ruled area of the country has made in halting drug production.Despite being considered a pariah by almost every government in the world, Afghanistan's ruling Taliban have succeeded in virtually wiping out poppy farming in areas they control.And they have done this voluntarily, without compensation to the farmers who depend on the crop for their livelihood, and without the promise of reward or international recognition for doing so.``It has been a remarkable achievement,'' said Bernard Frahi, the regional representative for the U.N.'s Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention for Afghanistan and Pakistan.Last year, some 200,000 acres of poppies were cultivated in Afghanistan, producing 75 percent of the world's heroin supply and nearly 90 percent of Europe's. But this year the United Nations (news - web sites) believes not a single acre may have been grown in the 95 percent of Afghanistan controlled by the Taliban.The same is not true, however, of areas controlled by the opposition Northern Alliance, where what used to amount to! 10 percent of Afghanistan's opium is still produced.The United Nations is still compiling its latest report, but a spokesman said if the trend of the last two years continued, the Taliban could be credited with carrying out the most successful drug-eradication programs in history.The turnaround came when the Taliban's spiritual leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, issued an edict last year declaring the cultivation of narcotic crops as ``un-Islamic.''SEVERE PUNISHMENTMullah Omar's edicts are strictly enforced by the Taliban's religious police -- officially known as the Department for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice -- and severe punishments are meted out to those who flout them.``It could be a turning point,'' Kemal Kurspahic told Reuters from Geneva. ``It is a historic opportunity to seriously undermine the world's supply of opiate derivatives and heroin.''The U.N. drug office assists countries in trying to persuade farmers to growing alternative crops and raising funds to help them make the transition.Little known is the fact that the United States has contributed significantly to those programs in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan.Officials say, however, that all the recent successes could be undermined by the current crisis and a change of regime in Kabul could swing the pendulum the other way.``In the current atmosphere it is impossible to say something good about the Taliban, but the fact is they have a much better record than the Northern Alliance or previous regimes,'' said a Western diplomat who asked not to be named.``You cannot say that any change of government would result in the drug policy still being enforced. In fact, most of my colleagues believe the opposite is true.''Other officials say the Taliban may have no qualms about reversing their anti-drug edict if they need to raise money to defend themselves against a United States-led effort to unseat them.In previous years, the Taliban imposed a tax on poppy farmers that netted their meager treasury around $10 million a year, according! to the U.N.The farmers made around $90 million last year from the sale of opium resin extracted from poppy bulbs. With heroin selling for around $200 per gram in Europe, the street value is billions of dollars.In the short term, however, the crisis is likely to reduce the amount of heroin reaching the streets of the West as increased security along Afghanistan's borders by its neighbors will restrict outflows of opium and heroin processed from last year's crop.``People are not going to feel pressure immediately, and we don't really know how much heroin may be stockpiled by the traffickers,'' Kurspahic said.``But it will be felt -- perhaps next year when the result of no crop from this year develops. Purity will go down, prices will rise and shortages will result.'' = Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed. *** COPYRIGHT NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107 doctrine of international copyright law, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed prior interest in receiving this info for nonprofit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml *** Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Rona Barrett of the New Left
-Caveat Lector- IN other words, the real ex owners, the bank, Chase Manhattan, CITIBANK, which is really the IMF...are off the hook. They got their payoff and are out of it. These new people don't LOSE money, they have 99 years to make money after they rebuild. My comment is jeez, If they'd only told us earlier, that the IMF was no longer the landlord, MAYBE we'd have gotten OUR kid off whatever floor! The buildings were still a symbol of World trade, regardless of who the landlords are. It was not bombed because of who owned it, but because of what it was. THEY damn well KNEW it was coming. Ben Chambers, of 47th floor said in PEOPLE MAGAZINE today last few weeks they've been making us have ESCAPE DRILLS! SOMEBODY UPSTAIRS KNEW! actually there had been several reported bomb threats over the last few weeks. It was in the news. So, to sum this up, no big IMF or NYC bank was left holding the bag, the new lessors (who bought a pig in a poke) saved a few billion tearing the old ratty thing down for free and cheap. it was not ratty in the least. It was well constructed enough to stay standing while 10's of thousands evacuated. It was a firetrap and they knew it, shafts and stairwells carried heat. and what building wouldn't with gallons and gallons and gallons of jet fuels splashing through it? NOBODY CARED what terrorists were going to DO to this bldg. they did not buy it to tear it down. they bought it to make money with it. It hadn't been owned by IMF city bank and CHASE MANHATTAN for several WEEKS! The new lessors can collect and rebuild. Hey, BAD TIMING TERRORISTS. You just gave the BUSH OIL COMPANY and its KUWAIT and SAUDI chums just the spectacular HORROR SHOW that they always wanted! WTC HARBOR! THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST ON A PLATE as the spoils of a long and costly (let me rephrase that) CHEAP war. Cheap cuz they own the pentagon and the war toy companies so they make bux there and your son's life is real cheap. Army boys get what, a 100$ a week? So citizens of the USA? How do you spell SHAFT? The people always get the gov they deserve! We who let FLORIDA VOTE HIM IN deserve him. We who drive gas guzzlers deserved BUSH and OIL PREXY. Just a month ago, KUWAIT AND THE BUSH HOUSTON OIL COMPANIES all merged. Want that current event sent you by me? Someone should get Ed Begley and all the celeb visionaries to impeach THE GAS CAR and give us a clean air world. No cancer for your grandkids. We had such great AIR in LA the four days jets didn't fly. Maybe we can run airplanes on something other than fossil fuel, too. It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. Justice Robert H. Jackson NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gathering of Peacemakers
-Caveat Lector- IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR FINDING A PEACEFUL SOLUTION TO THE WTC ATTACK GATHER WITH OTHERS AT THE FOLLOWING LOCATIONS: CENTRAL PARK FOUNTAIN AT 72 ST LEVEL UNION SQUARE PARK 14 st union sq WASHINGTON SQUARE PARK 4 st LOOK FOR THE WHITE POSTER. ALL TIMES, EVERYDAY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HELP ME, CALL JACOB 917-405-0864. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Will Mad Dog Disease Overtake The UK
-Caveat Lector- Please refrain from sending attachments and HTML. These things have been stopping up the downloading of my mail for almost two weeks. If the message is important enough for me to read, capture it with the mouse and forward as plain text. Thanks very much to all of you. The USA lost her innocense because the present administration has approximately 350 traitors throughout all branches of government, including the Military, and they will stop at nothing to institute their communist new world order Yours truly, Cliff Hume. At 01:28 AM 8/30/01 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think this is a hoax. Does anyone know for sure? One of the reasons I think so is the letterhead of the CIA does not have a printed address. It appears to have been typed in and note, too, the city stated as Langley, MD instead of Virginia, At least when they write me, it is from Virginia. :-) Is someone trying to terrorize the much be-leaguered Britons? Amelia http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=10939 Attachment Converted: C:\Eudora\Attach\Will Mad Dog Disease Overtake The UK4.url A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Jerusalem Post Newspaper : Online News From Israel - Features Article
-Caveat Lector- I am aware of this June for you see this man had been questioned about these plans. Years ago I went into the Nationwide Insurnce Building, huge new building, modern and the thing that shocked me it was getting old for such a new building - celings the tile stained and brown from plumbing problems? Wonder if this buiding was in need of repair; and I keep thinking of this bus at the bottom of the heap with CALL THE POLICE above windshield - where the designated street normally appears..but then here is item I sent out before I knew about this man with the 99 year lease - 99 years who got into trouble money wise? This story is about John Gotti and also about the ilegal demolition of 4 buildings in Times Square - this one guy mentioned is the guy who murdered 19 people who was given immunity and set free - to testify against John Gotti. Note: this alleged billion dollar contract for dry wall - seems this old building needed lots of repair? Demolition experts? I say when I saw those twin towers go down - it was more than a melt down this was price award winnning demolition of buildings said demolition done in the name of God -.this bible calendar I have is used by the assassins or the ones who control and pay for the assassins and sabotuers. Keep thinking of that US Destroyer laying on its side in a New Jersey harbor - sabotaged by mob for Lucky Luciano wanted out of jail. Our government has worked with these men.the know oh so many secrets. They know of my bible calendar code too for I was told so by the man who spent a year in prison with James Riddle Hoffa and may have had part in his murder or escape - the usual suspencts involved. So read this item which I had before I knew about this leaseat the time it did not hit me tht the insides of this building was in need of such repair? Saba Now this is a conspiracy theory list .but there are some things which seem to be a little more than just cospiracy. Osama bin Laden? Well remember the Egyptian Jews put into the Mossad to blow up Amerian movie theatres and other places (maybe kind of like that disco in Israel where Russian kids hun out) but the idea was to blame on Egyptians - not Jews.like Thothmosis II carried all these top intelligence men and the plane suicides.as the US Liberty and I will NEVER NEVER NEVER FORGET THE USS LIBERTY or the Arizona.but our men lying on deck were NAPALMED AND BURNED AND MURDERED. 99 year leasewith an old by today's standards building - rase it, rase it, rase it.think demolition team behind the final blows. And my bible calendar does not predict - intelligence can often determine where the assassins might hit.they leave alling cards in bible . ask any high degree Mason or if you now any high degree intelligence agents - well today they have been juged and found wanting. So on with the Crusade - imagine Osama will be nailed, and lots cast for his robe and maybe 2,000 years from now the Israelis will reconsider what they did Sammy The Bull Gravano More Gravano Notches Prior to his association with John Gotti, Gravano had been involved in eight murders over a fourteen-year period. Since becoming a member of Gotti's inner circle, he played a role in the deaths of eleven men in six years. After the murders of Castellano and Bilotti in 1985, the next person on Gravano's hit parade was Nick Mormando. Known as Nicky Cowboy, Mormando became addicted to crack cocaine and, according to Gravano, became a renegade and went berserk. Joe Paruta shot Mormando in the back of the head and his body was left in an empty lot. This murder was followed by the aforementioned slaying of Robert DiBernardo. In 1987 another member of Gravano's crew, Mike DeBatt, also became addicted to crack cocaine. DeBatt's father had been close with Gravano and after his death, Sammy had taken the younger DeBatt under his wing the same as he had done with Joey D'Angelo. In this case it was DeBatt's wife who went to Gravano for help. Sammy responded by having young Mike murdered while he tended bar at Tali's. Gravano claimed, This just tore my fucking insides out. Gravano doesn't mention how it affected the DeBatt family. The following year Gravano was involved in three murders. First was Louis Milito in March 1988. Gravano received permission from Gotti to kill his old Ramper gang partner. Milito had badmouthed Gravano's decision to promote Louis Vallario to crew chief when Sammy was named acting consigliere. Next was Francesco Oliverri in May. Oliverri, a pasta factory employee and father of three, had killed a man in a fistfight during an altercation in an apartment building hallway. The victim had been a member of John Gambino's crew. Gambino went to Gotti for revenge. Gotti gave the assignment to Gravano with orders to use Robert Bisaccia, a soldier in a New Jersey crew that the family was looking to promote. On May 3, while Gravano sat in a stolen getaway car,
[CTRL] FC: Eric Freedman on morphed child porn: Pursuing Pixelized Pixies (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [Eric is a longtime warrior on behalf of free expression. I've translated his article from, ugh, Microsoft Word form to text, which has wrinkled the article's formatting a little. But it should be readable. Eric, BTW, is talking not about the obscene-for-minors-to-read COPA case, but the morphed-nude-images-of-minors CPPA child porn case. Both are before the Supreme Court. --DBM] Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:40:24 -0400 From: Eric M. Freedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A piece of mine from the August issue of Communications of the ACM. Best. -E. Eric M. Freedman --- Pursuing Pixelized Pixies This fall, in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, the Supreme Court will be deciding the constitutionality of a remarkable statute that broadly criminalizes the dissemination of all depictions that Aappear to be@ ones of children engaging in Asexually explicit@ conduct notwithstanding that the images were generated purely digitally, without the use of any actual children (or adult actors for that matter) at all. According to the legislative findings supporting the Child Pornography Prevention Act, viewing the forbidden pictures Acan desensitize the viewer to the pathology of sexual abuse or exploitation of children, so that it can become acceptable to and even preferred by the viewer.@ Moreover, say the findings, such images create an unwholesome moral environment. Further, according to advocates of the statute, the government will never be able to prosecute pornographers if it must bear the burden of proving that the images are of real rather than digital children. If it applies ordinary constitutional rules, the Supreme Court will with little difficulty reject these defenses and affirm the decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit to strike down the challenged portions of the statute. In 1959, the State of New York sought to prevent dissemination of the movie version of ALady Chatterley=s Lover@ on the basis of its Apresentation of adultery as a desirable, acceptable and proper pattern of behavior.@ The Supreme Court unanimously rebuffed the effort, holding that the State=s action Astruck at the very heart of constitutionally protected liberty.@ AIt is contended,@ wrote Justice Potter Stewart, Athat the State=s action was justified because the motion picture attractively portrays a relationship which is contrary to the moral standards, the religious precepts, and the legal code of its citizenry. This argument misconceives what it is that the Constitution protects. Its guarantee is not confined to the expression of ideas that are conventional or shared by a majority. It protects advocacy of the opinion that adultery may sometimes be proper no less than advocacy of socialism or the single tax. And in the realm of ideas it protects expression which is eloquent no less than that which is unconvincing.@ Thus, in 1986, the Court summarily struck down an Indianapolis ordinance criminalizing those sexually-themed works that had the effect of subordinating women. Perhaps the material at issue had socially undesirable consequences, the lower court wrote, but, Athe state may not ordain preferred viewpoints in this way.@ And even when the Court upheld broader suppression of sexually explicit works involving children, so as to afford physical protection to real children involved in abusive productions, it took pains to note that producers could always convey their message by such means as using adult actors who appeared to be younger. As to the prosecutorial convenience argument, it is hardly a constitutional response to the government=s inability to bear the burden of proof in a criminal proceeding to pass a statute relieving the government of the need to do so. Practically speaking, this means that in the very rare instances when defendants have the courage to force such cases to trial, the government will have to offer proof (e.g. from other participants in the production) in addition to the images themselves. More broadly, the statute rests on premises and language of stunning vagueness, that together could lead to consequences that would eviscerate the First Amendment as a protector of unpopular speech. For example, one rationale offered for the legislation is that pedophiles might seduce children into engaging in sexual activity by displaying computer-generated images of other children doing so. This rationale would not only support the banning of lollipops, but also of a huge range of images -- including photographs made with mannequins, and cartoons. And, read literally, the statutory ban on images that Aappear to be@ ones of children would support this result. This could have the effect of outlawing classical works of art featuring cherubs, photographs of primitive tribes, and many other depictions that could hypothetically be abused by a criminal. That is precisely why the Court has historically rejected justifications for censorship
[CTRL] Editha
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.ctrl.org/MilleganStews/Editha.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/MilleganStews/Editha.html;Editha/A - Millegan Stews 9/21/01 An work of fiction about war, written after the Spanish-American War Om K - from: Between the Dark and the Daylight: Romances (New York, 1907), pp. 125-145. EDITHA by William Dean Howells The air was thick with the war feeling, like the electricity of a storm which has not yet burst. Editha sat looking out into the hot spring afternoon, with her lips parted, and panting with the intensity of the question whether she could let him go. She had decided that she could not let him stay, when she saw him at the end of the still leafless avenue, making slowly up towards the house, with his head down and his figure relaxed. She ran impatiently out on the veranda, to the edge of the steps, and imperatively demanded greater haste of him with her will before she called aloud to him: George! He had quickened his pace in mystical response to her mystical urgence, before he could have heard her; now he looked up and answered, Well? Oh, how united we are! she exulted, and then she swooped down the steps to him. What is it? she cried. It's war, he said, and he pulled her up to him and kissed her. She kissed him back intensely, but irrelevantly, as to their passion, and u ttered from deep in her throat. How glorious! It's war, he repeated, without consenting to her sense of it; and she did not know just what to think at first. She never knew what to think of him; that made his mystery, his charm. All through their courtship, which was contemporaneous with the growth of the war feeling, she had been puzzled by his want of seriousness about it. He seemed to despise it even more than he abhorred it. She could have understood his abhorring any sort of bloodshed; that would have been a survival of his old life when he thought he would be a minister, and before he changed and took up the law. But making light of a cause so high and noble seemed to show a want of earnestness at the core of his being. Not but that she felt herself able to cope with a congenital defect of that sort, and make his love for her save him from himself. Now perhaps the miracle was already wrought in him. In the presence of the tremendous fact that be announced, all triviality seemed to have gone out of him; she began to feel that. He sank down on the top step, and wiped his forehead with his handkerchief, while she poured out upon him her question of the origin and authenticity of his news. All the while, in her duplex emotioning, she was aware that now at the very beginning she must put a guard upon herself against urging him, by any word or act, to take the part that her whole soul willed him to take, for the completion of her ideal of him. He was very nearly perfect as he was, and he must be allowed to perfect himself. But he was peculiar, and he might very well be reasoned out of his peculiarity. Before her reasoning went her emotioning: her nature pulling upon his nature, her womanhood upon his manhood, without her knowing the means she was using to the end she was willing. She had always supposed that the man who won her would have done something to win her; she did not know what, but something. George Gearson had simply asked her for her love, on the way home from a concert, and she gave her love to him, without, as it were, thinking. But now, it flashed upon her, if he could do something worthy to have won her-be a hero, her heroit would be even better than if he had done it before asking her; it would be grander. Besides, she had believed in the war from the beginning. But don't you see, dearest, she said, that it wouldn't have come to this if it hadn't been in the order of Providence? And I call any war glorious that is for the liberation of people who have been struggling for years against the cruelest oppression. Don't you think so, too? I suppose so, he returned, languidly. But war! Is it glorious to break the peace of the world? 'That ignoble peace! It was no peace at all, with that crime and shame at our very gates. She was conscious of parroting the current phrases of the newspapers, but it was no time to pick and choose her words. She must sacrifice anything to the high ideal she had for him, and after a good deal of rapid argument she ended with the climax: But now it doesn't matter about the how or why. Since the war has come, all that is gone. There are no two sides any more. There is nothing now but our country. He sat with his eyes closed and his head leant back against the veranda, and he remarked, with a vague smile, as if musing aloud, Our countryright or wrong. Yes, right or wrong! she returned, fervidly. I'll go and get you some lemonade. She rose rustling, and whisked away; when she came back with two tall glasses of clouded liquid on a tray, and the ice clucking in them, he still sat as she had left him, and she said, as if there had
[CTRL] Wiesenthal Center Promotes Intolerance and Hate (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:59:54 -0400 From: ina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PalestineDiary] Wiesenthal Center Promotes Intolerance and Hate Council on American-Islamic Relations Southern California Action Alert - Wiesenthal Center Promotes Intolerance and hate As increasingly violent hate incidents against members of the American Muslim community are taking place, the Southern California chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-LA) is calling upon religious and media institutions to avoid contributing to an atmosphere of intolerance and Islamophobia. Such an atmosphere has already resulted in numerous attacks against Islamic centers, American Muslims, Arab-Americans, and others with Middle Eastern appearances, including Sikhs. One institution in particular-- the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center--has displayed an incredible amount of insensitivity by placing on its website a picture of Palestinians allegedly celebrating last Tuesday's tragic attack. (See: http://www.wiesenthal.com/) Ironically, the Wiesenthal Center claims to be a Jewish human rights organization dedicated to preserving the memory of the Holocaust by fostering tolerance and understanding. Members of the American Muslim community do not understand how posting this picture contributes to the center's stated mission. Rather than promoting tolerance and understanding, the Simon Wiesenthal Center is unfortunately inciting a backlash against the American Muslim and Arab American communities. At a time when America's leaders are urging national unity, it is shameful that any group--particularly a self-proclaimed human rights organization--chooses to exploit America's tragedy to further its own narrow political agenda. ACTION REQUESTED: (As always, be firm, but polite) Contact the Wiesenthal Center and ask that the picture be removed from their website. Also, contact the Los Angeles Human Relations Commission and ask for their assistance in ending incitement against Islam. TALKING POINTS: 1) The picture does not represent the support and sympathy expressed by the overwhelming majority of the Palestinian people and its leadership. (read article below) Palestinians Shocked by Attacks on United States (Reuters) http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010912/wl/attack_palestinian_reaction_dc_1.html 2) The picture serves to promote negative stereotyping against American Muslims and Arab Americans, leading to more intolerance and hate crimes. Contact information: The Simon Wiesenthal Center 310-553-9036 800-900-9036 (toll-free from within the U.S.) 310-553-4521 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also contact: Los Angeles Human Relations Commission Robin Toma, Executive Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/hkJplB/TM -~- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FC: French cops investigate website encouraging attacks on U.S. (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [stcom.net is now offline. --DBM] http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010920/wr/attack_france_internet_dc_1.html Frenchman Probed for Web Site Applauding Attacks PARIS (Reuters) - A Frenchman who allegedly set up an internet site applauding the deadly attacks on U.S. landmarks and urging Muslims to fight a holy war is being investigated for encouraging suicide acts, judicial sources said Thursday. Smain Bedrouni is under formal judicial investigation after being accused of creating stcom.net, a U.S.-based Web site that calls for ``jihad.'' Endorsing suicide attempts which aim to kill others is illegal in France. [...] - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New standard
-Caveat Lector- Aboard Flight 564... Peter Hannaford As it was at most U.S. airports, last Saturday was the first near-normal day at Denver International since the terrorist attacks. On United's Flight 564 the door had just been locked and the plane was about to pull out of the gate when the captain came on the public address system.I want to thank you brave folks for coming out today. We don't have any new instructions from the federal government, so from now on we're on our own.The passengers listened in total silence.He explained that airport security measures had pretty much solved the problem of firearms being carried aboard, but not weapons of the type the terrorists apparently used, plastic knives or those fashioned from wood or ceramics.Sometimes a potential hijacker will announce that he has a bomb. There are no bombs on this aircraft and if someone were to get up and make that claim, don't believe him. If someone were to stand up, brandish something such as a plastic knife and say 'This is a hijacking' or words to that effect here is what you should do: Every one of you should stand up and immediately throw things at that person - pillows, books, magazines, eyeglasses, shoes -anything that will throw him off balance and distract his attention. If he has a confederate or two, do the same with them. Most important: get a blanket over him (or her), then wrestle him to floor and keep him there. We'll land the plane at the nearest airport and the authorities will take it from there.Remember, there will be one of him and maybe a few confederates, butthere are 200 of you. You can overwhelm them. The Declaration of Independence says 'We, the people' and that's just what it is when we're up in the air: we, the people, vs. would-be terrorists. I don't think we are going to have any such problem today or tomorrow or for a while, but some time down the road, it is going to happen again and I want you to know what to do.Now, since we're a family for the new few hours, I'll ask you to turn to the person next to you, introduce yourself, tell them a little about yourself and ask them to do the same.The end of this remarkable speech brought sustained clapping from the passengers. He had put the matter in perspective. If only the passengers on those ill-fated flights last Tuesday had been given the same talk, I thought, they might be alive today. One group on United Flight 93, which crashed in a Pennsylvania field, apparently rushed the hijackers in an attempt to wrest control from them. While they perished, they succeeded in preventing the terrorists from attacking their intended goal, possibly the White House or the Capitol.Procedures for dealing with hijackers were conceived in a time when the hijackers were usually seeking the release of jailed comrades or a large amount of money. Mass murder was not their goal. That short talk last Saturday by the pilot of Flight 564 should set a new standard of realism.Every passenger should learn the simple - but potentially life-saving - procedure he outlined. He showed his passengers that a hijacking does not have to result in hopelessness and terror, but victory over the perpetrators. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Passport photo of Mohammas Atta a forgery!?
-Caveat Lector- Swedish journalist Arne Lapidus has located Mohammad Attas father, a lawyer i Kairo, Egypt. In todays issue of the swedish daily Expressen, Lapidus writes (my translation): ... Atta fetches a few old photos of his son. The first photo shows him as a child, together with his parents. The second photo shows him as a young man. - Look at this. He has the face of a child even thou here he´s already a fully qualified engineer. Could he have done something so horrible!? The passport photo that has been shown in the papers is a forgery. They´ve made him look depressed and angry and cruel. In reality he has an angel-like, beautiful face... The article is here (in swedish only, I´m afraid!): http://www.expressen.se/article.asp?id=82024 /Jörgen Edlund, Sweden _ Do You Yahoo!? [EMAIL PROTECTED] - skaffa en gratis mailadress på http://mail.yahoo.se A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New breeds of Trojan terrorist ?.....
-Caveat Lector- In the US there is much talk about the notion, that this attack has ushered in a new breed of terrorist. That these were bright and educated individuals as opposed to the desperate and angry outcasts of yesterday. New breeds are most certainly being revealed this time around, but, at very best, the evidence so far presented to the public suggest only that these 'bright and educated individuals' existed and may have posessed the skills suggested by their training. I'm sure that Manchurian candidates and straw persons alike come in many flavours. For example, whether they were the only 'foe' on board the aircraft, or did themselves carrying out the acts witnessed by us all remains unknown (at least to me). The discovery of Islamic and Arabic artifacts, IDs and paper trails by these guys appears a little odd to me (cocky, smart or diversive?) and our assumptive logical evaluations of such 'evidence' needs be treated with constant scrutiny. As another example, the assumption that the original pilots steered into the twin towers is now questionable in the minds of many, but how many of us would be willing to entertain the idea that a non-piloted remote control system could have been used to guide the hijacked aircraft to their new trajectories ? I'm not wanting to suggest that this is what actually happened, but posit as an explanatory option, the technology certainly exists. This possibility is not inconsistent with the view that a 'new breed of terrorist' as implied by the questioner does indeed now exist; but my point here, is that we may in the future be 'finding' any number of 'bright and educated individuals' on a crime scene, who by intellectual association and leaning seem to 'fit' suspect-profiles but MAY have little/no knowledge of their complicities. Hopefully I'm wrong. Thoughts ? Cheers, Tony. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mute UN
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AMERICA-BASHING U.N. SHOULD GET LOST
By ANDREA PEYSER
September 21, 2001
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IT'S time for the United Nations to get
the hell out of town.
And take with it CNN war slut Christiane Amanpour.
Also, short ABC comedian Bill those bombers were brave Maher. More
on that in a sec.
The U.N. building towers over the East River like a giant middle
finger aimed at our shores.
The once-shiny beacon of peace has devolved into a cancer, where all
manner of anti-American lunacy is hatched.
Today, the U.N. functions as an international megaphone through which
every Third World dictatorship vents its fury at our way of life.
Though technically not on American soil, the United Nations clogs our
city like sewage.
It lustily sucks up our police, our water, our sanitation services
while its personnel jam city streets by parking illegally, and break
all manner of traffic and criminal law with a get-out-of-jail-free
card known as diplomatic immunity.
Now, the United Nations is serving yet another function: It has become the quietest
place on earth.
Since two planes toppled the World Trade Center in a fiery blast of terror, the United
Nations has been mute.
Where are the diplomats we housed and fed, whose transgressions we excused, whose
libels we endured, now that the nearby turf is in ruins?
Oh, yes, Secretary General Kofi Annan has been on television in a hard hat, grabbing
network face time by glancing, moist-eyed, at the ruins of the Twin Towers.
But where are the resolutions? The outrage? The deep, heartfelt expressions of regret?
Not here. Not now. And certainly not for us.
So, the United Nations doesn't like this nation? Fine. Don't let the door hit you on
the butt as you get the hell out.
Go home to your police states and smarmy European capitals.
The U.N. provides cover almost the same way the Taliban does, observes Harvey
Kushner, an author and terrorism expert.
It serves as the laboratory, the linchpin for legitimizing incendiary rhetoric,
Kushner said.
Following the initial shock, America-bashing, I'm distressed to report, is going full
throttle.
And not just in the foreign media - though there's plenty of that - but right here, at
home, in the guise of analysis.
Explaining why the Arab world hates us, CNN's Amanpour spewed her bias in a live
conversation with news blonde Paula Zahn:
The issue of the United States' close alliance with Israel, the perception that the
United States does not care as much about the suffering of Muslims in Palestine, in
what they call Palestine, is a key reason for the an
ti-Americanism on the rise in the Middle East.
I wonder what her Jewish in-laws think.
Short comedian Bill Maher was even more rabid.
On Politically Incorrect, Maher declared the United States cowardly for lobbing
cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away at Iraq. In the next breath, he praised the
bravery of the trade center bombers.
Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's
not cowardly, gushed Maher.
He later insisted our government is cowardly, not our soldiers. Thanks.
The truth is the monsters who attacked us hate not just the United States and Israel.
They hate wealthy Saudi Arabia. They hate non-fundamentalist Muslims. They treat women
like slaves, children like property, and dream o
f romping with virgins in paradise.
Everyone with a gripe against Israel or America has joined the orgy
in the guise of analysis. Analyze this, you bastards.
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[CTRL] Words for the Unhearing
-Caveat Lector- http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/snyder2.html Whoever has the address of the person who wrote this, You might well find yourselves fighting against God. By the way, in case you aren't familiar with this Book (most leftists never read it anyway) this comes from a MUCH higher authority than me...so it you have issues with it take it up with the author. you might want to forward this to him. AER }}}Begin Words We Do Not Want To Hear by Jeff Snyder Now, in the aftermath of the attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, when the President is preparing for a mighty war, when over 80 percent of Americans support him and want blood, whether in the name of retribution or justice, now is the time to repeat the words we do not want to hear. Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. . . . Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. ~ Matthew 5: 38-39; 43-45. This is all you need to know if you want to do what is right in this situation. We should not wage war on terrorists or the Taliban, nor try to bring them to justice. We should, however, pray for them and do good to them. In the 1800s a small number of men, including the abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, spent a large part of their lives working out the implications of this teaching and trying to spread the word to their fel low man. Much of this good work might have been lost or buried in oblivion but for the efforts of one of them, Leo Tolstoy, who gathered it together in making his own case, still available in the much ignored, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). According to Tolstoy, the meaning of Christs command to resist not evil is plain enough: it is wrong to use force or violence to oppose evil. Since Christs command is unconditional, there are no exceptions. Not for a just war, not for retribution, not for justice, not even for self-defense at the time of the assault. Further, the clear implication is also that it is wrong to participate in any enterprise that employs force or violence against our fellow man (even if only to oppose evil). Christs command thus renders government illegitimate. The Christian who follows Christ teaching in the Sermon on the Mount, then, will not be a soldier, or participate in any of the institutions of government, the courts or elections, and will not have any recourse to the authorities, the police or the law. Christs teaching forever severs the question of what is good or evil, just or unjust, from the question of the use of force, and pronounces the latter wrong and evil under all circumstances. Regardless of what is right, good or just, it is wrong, always, to use force or violence to establish, uphold, vindicate or maintain the right, the good or the just, and it is wrong to use force to punish or reform the wicked. Instead, the Christian resists not. As Tolstoy notes, To submit means to prefer suffering to using force. And to prefer suffering to using force means to be good, or at least less wicked than those who do unto others what they would not like themselves.1 Tolstoy musters many arguments to demonstrate that Christs teaching is the only true and lasting foundation of peace and brotherhood among men, and to explain why violence cannot eliminate evil, but only beget more violence. One of his more powerful arguments concerns the impossibility of settling disputes by recourse to violence when there is no universally accepted, unquestioned criterion for distinguishing good from evil. In the absence of such criterion, the men who are the objects of our violence do not perceive or accept their acts as evil and do
[CTRL] Fourth Empire
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.lewrockwell.com/e-cobb/e-cobb17.html }}}Begin The Fourth Republic Being a Look Back at One Possible Future by Ed Cobb Following is the text of the lecture delivered on September 11, 2051, at the first meeting of the years Introduction to American History class at the Rockwell School of History and Free Trade of Rothbard University. It was delivered by Instructor Emeritus Ed Cobb who is so old that he is allowed to teach out of nostalgia despite this lack of any serious scholarly credentials. Good morning, class. Historians divide the story of the American nation into four republics. Today this view is commonly accepted as self-evident but such was not always the case. As recently as 50 years ago most Americans thought in terms of one republic. Of course, we see that view as simplistic. Now lets briefly review the outlines of the first three American republics and then discuss our current era, the Fourth Republic. The first American era began with the founding. That story, its ideals and aspirations and its failings are intimately familiar to each of you seated in this lecture hall today. (As an aside, let me point out that your grandparents were not taught much about our founding and what makes America what she is, which was no small part of the problem with the Third Republic.) America had created something new and there was no blueprint to follow. We see the First Republic as a time of learning. The founders made mistakes and had amazing successes, with accepting slavery for as long as they did being their most obvious error. But at the same time, the spirit of human freedom that was unleashed in America was becoming the most powerful civic force ever seen on the planet. The Second Republic was born in the War Between the States. Today it is impossible to comprehend the reverence in which Abraham Lincoln, the president who fathered the Second Republic by denying the South its clear right to secede, was once held in this country. Not long ago most Americans credited him with abolishing slavery, which we know he did in only a limited fashion and as a political expedient, and ignored his centralization of power and disregard for the Bill of Rights. You will find it hard to believe but Americans once called him Honest Abe without irony. Today that nickname is spoken in the same tone we use when we say Tricky Dicky or Slick Willie. There is some debate regarding the true beginning of the Third Republic, the Imperial phase of the American story. Many historians argue for Franklin Roosevelt as the founder of the Empire. It is undoubtedly true that he was the most successful of the imperial presidents. He established our permanent military presence around the globe. He grew the influence of government over the day-to-day lives of Americans to proportions that were just as unimaginable before his time as they are to us today. But the honor, if it can be called honor, of founding the American Empire falls to Woodrow Wilson. Under Wilson, America sent troops to fight in a European War that had no relevance to American national interests. To this day no one really understands how or why it broke out. During that war, he limited the rights of Americans to criticize his actions in ways that would impress even Honest Abe. Wilson also masterminded the Treaty of Versailles, the provisions of which so oppressed Germany and so depressed its economy that it led directly to the rise to power of the Nazis under Adolph Hitler. Hitler and the Nazis then became the target of FDRs wrath. Their destruction enabled the rise of Stalin and the Soviet Empire whose defeat in the Cold War led to the rise of the Jihad of the early 21st Century. But I am getting ahead of myself. We will cover all of that in detail as the semester progresses. Another innovation of Emperor Wilsons was The League of Nations. Luckily, America was still sufficiently sane that she refused to be dragged into membership in this early experiment in global government. But he planted the seed that eventually grew into the United Nations and we all know how badly that turned out. By the way, as I was
[CTRL] Protests rock Pakistan (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, Protests rock Pakistan http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,555779,00.html Staff and agencies Friday September 21, 2001 Angry protests in Pakistan brought parts of the country to a virtual standstill today as demonstrators rallied behind Islamic groups. Shops were closed and transport suspended as demonstrators made their voices heard in response to a nationwide strike called by Muslim clerics. It is the fifth consecutive day of protests in the country, but by far the most dramatic with police, their numbers boosted, firing tear gas into some boisterous crowds. Protestors are acting against their government's pledge on Wednesday to support American military strikes against neighbouring Afghanistan, where Osama bin Laden, the chief suspect in last week's terrorist attacks in America, is defended by the Taliban. Despite ongoing negotiations Afghanistan's ambassador to Pakistan, Abdul Salam Zaeef, announced today that Taliban rulers will not hand over Bin Laden without evidence. Asked if the Taliban would deliver him, said, No, but his translator added, No, not without evidence. Pakistanis near the Afghan border vowed to launch a war against Americans. Thousands of protesters swarmed the streets of Peshawar, in the north west, shouting anti-American and anti-Pakistani slogans. Burning a life-size effigy of the US president they shouted: Long live Osama. We will fight until the death and destruction of the United States, one sign read. Crush America and Bush, read another. Hardline Islamic clerics fuelled the strength of feeling and told their listeners that they backed bin Laden and the Taliban leadership, which has protected him and his followers in Afghanistan for years. Hundreds of people watched the procession from rooftops and balconies in a city where most people are Pashtun, the same ethnic group predominating among the Taliban, and where there are two million Afghan refugees. Heavily armed police, estimated at 15,000, patrolled the city on foot and in tanks. Violence flared in Karachi, the country's biggest city and its commercial hub. The largest incident was in the Sohrab Goth neighbourhood, where an estimated 1,500 Afghan refugees clashed with police, burning tyres and attacking vehicles. In other parts of Karachi, police were forced to fire tear gas and beat people with iron-tipped sticks to disperse crowds pelting vehicles with stones and blocking roads. At least 70 demonstrators were arrested, police said. In other parts of the country such as the south west city of Quetta, Lahore and Islamabad, the capital, police were on guard, many in riot gear, but protests had not begun. Most shops and schools were ordered to close for their own safety. The general strike also closed schools, offices and shops in the northern Indian state of Jammu-Kashmir, where Islamic rebels are fighting for independence with the support of Pakistan. America has agreed to lift sanctions imposed on Pakistan and India and to reschedule $600m (410m) in bilateral debt with Islamabad, a senior western diplomat said today. The diplomat, who asked not to be identified, said that discernible progress would be seen soon. Details of the surprise deal are reportedly being finalised at the moment and will allow a resumption of American assistance to Pakistan, which ended after sanctions were imposed for the nuclear tests it carried out in 1998. The news come after a fruitless year of talks under the Paris Club to reschedule Pakistan's bilateral debt. America will sign an agreement on rescheduling $600m worth of debt, part of Pakistan's $1.6bn debt considered by the Paris Club, in a move seen by many as a reward for Pakistan in return for its support of the US over its expected attacks against Pakistan's neighbour, Afghanistan. The US has turned to Pakistan because of its critical geographical position, on the border with Afghanistan and its ties to the Taliban regime. The Afghan Defence Council, an alliance of 35 religious and militant groups, has warned the Pakistani leader, general Musharraf, that his decision to back America could plunge the country into civil war. With almost a week of protests, which are becoming increasingly heated, and American strikes imminent, many Pakistanis fear civil war is inevitable. Yesterday, a grand Islamic council in Afghanistan met at the request of the Taliban leadership and took the decision to ask Bin Laden to leave voluntarily. It is not yet known if he will comply, or if a war could be averted even if he did. ININ List Archives Found Here: http://www.egroups.com/messages/inin TO SUBSCRIBE: To subscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type: subscribe inin-net TO UNSUBSCRIBE: To unsubscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type in:
[CTRL] FC: Conservative Forum: Threat is not FBI, cops need crypto-access (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [Norm works on privacy topics for Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), a libertarian- leaning kind of fellow. --DBM] *** From: Singleton, Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:26:44 -0400 Friends, even some alleged conservatives are eagerly anticipating sacrificing liberty for the illusion of security [...] http://www.conservativereform.org/bullmoose/ Wednesday, September 19, 2001 (3:13 PM ET) Bedfellows. The Moose is heartened by the national show of unity against terrorism. But, beware of strange bedfellows. The alliance of right and left wing flotsam and jetsam is nothing new on the foreign policy front. We witnessed it during the Kosovo conflict when noted hawks such as Lott and DeLay joined the peace now crowd. With a direct attack on the American homeland, dissident voices are muted but have not entirely disappeared. The most bizarre example comes from Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who suggested that the attack was God's wrath against a nation that has sinned. This was a new theocratic right variant on the Blame American First theme that used to be the purview of the left. As was eloquently stated during the 2000 Republican primaries, Robertson and Falwell are truly the agents of intolerance. Meanwhile, a few timid left voices are suggesting that we must look for root causes for the terrorist behavior. However, the American people are not in a receptive audience for the root cause crowd. A more pernicious development is an emerging right-left alliance against the ability of law enforcement to conduct domestic surveillance of terrorists. According to the Washington Post, groups ranging from the ACLU to the Free Congress Foundation and the Gun Owners of America are uniting to declare their concerns that increased surveillance initiatives would invade privacy. One conservative group called the Coalition for Constitutional Liberties declared that, our most basic and fundamental freedoms are under attack unlike any time since the Revolutionary Era. The Moose would find this all so amusing if it weren't so sad. Some on the right have long had the constitutional outlook of the ACLU on issues ranging from soft money to the drug war. Yes, there is a tremendous threat to our security, but it isn't coming from the FBI! The unholy alliance of the right and the left is not focused on stopping terrorists who threaten our very lives, but rather on restraining law enforcement which seeks to protect our safety. Privacy is fine, but at a time such as this, we must guard our security first. This right-left coalition is just another variant on the discredited liberal gang from the 60's which sought to tie the hands of the police against criminals. Make no mistake, there is a terrorist conspiracy operating within the borders of the United States. According to testimony from a federal official during congressional hearings last year, As we know, Middle East terrorist groups - such as Hezbollah, Hamas, and Osama bin Laden's organization - are using computerized files, email and encryption to support their organizations. Some so-called conservatives have long opposed allowing law enforcement to have encryption-busting powers. Evidently, the largesse of the computer industry and other special interests can be very influential. The Moose, however, makes no apologies for desiring that the FBI has every tool available to thwart the terrorist plans. Give Attorney General Ashcroft all he requests, and more. If this is war, it is time for both the left and the right to choose sides. [...] - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Saying Sooth
-Caveat Lector- From www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : France The Teissier affair Astrology rehabilitated at the Sorbonne university in Paris By Stefan Steinberg 21 September 2001 Back to screen version| Send this link by email | Email the author For some months Frances best known astrologist Elizabeth Teissier has featured heavily in the media and has been at the centre of an almost surreal debate on the scientific merits of astrology. In April, Ms. Germaine Elisabeth Hanselmann, better known as Elizabeth Teissier, defended her doctorate dissertation, entitled Epistemological situation of astrology across the ambivalence fascination/rejection in post-modern societies, at Paris Sorbonne University. Her 900-page thesis, supposedly demonstrating the scientific qualities of astrology, was subsequently accepted by a majority decision of a panel of professors, as the basis for awarding Teissier a doctorate in sociology. Not only does a closer look at laffaire Teissier throw a revealing and bizarre light on the way in which a French president conducted politics in one of the most developed countries in Western Europe, the acceptance of Teissiers paper by one of Frances most prestigious universities makes clear the degeneration of scientific thought that has taken place in the French educational system, heavily influenced by so-called post-modern ideologists. Elizabeth Teissier, a former model for Chanel, the luxury fashion and perfumery house, and more recently the most publicised astrologer in France, revealed some time ago that she had served as an advisor to the French president Francois Mitterrand for a period of seven years. She has written a book on her work for the president entitled Sous Le Signe de Mitterrand ( Under the Sign of Mitterrand).In the book she claims she used the stars to guide the president in choosing his every political move, including military actions during the Gulf War. At the start of her collaboration with Mitterand, she writes, she predicted a major international incident, which she said would take place in the summer of 1990. In August of the same year, when Iraq invaded Kuwait, Mitterrand immediately called upon her to compute Saddam Husseins horoscope and determine the dictators next move. Reflecting US propaganda at the time, which justified its aggression against Iraq by demonising Saddam Hussein, Teissier relates in her book that she foresaw that Saddam would be very slow to pull back his troops, since he possessed the same astrological cocktail as Hitlera Taurus with Libra ascendant. It is of course difficult to say how much of Teissiers account is true. What is clear is that Teissier did have a close relationship with President Mitterand and was known to attend his office on regular occasions. It is also a matter of record that Mitterand was intrigued by astrology, levitation and poltergeists. At a speech before assembled scientists, the president confused astrology with the science of astronomy. Teissier makes clear that she relies heavily in her work on the statistical research of Michel Gauquelin, who has sought to prove a connection between the movement of the planets and the fortunes, careers and performances of leading sportsmen. In her recent doctoral paper, Teissier attempts to justify her thesis by boasting of how President Mitterrand asked her to sketch the astral portrait of his Prime Minister Pierre Bérégovoy. (In the course of drawing up such a portrait, Teissier somehow missed the conjunction of stars that pointed to Bérégovoys suicide a short time later.) Teissiers work and book could be dismissed as some sort of practical joke, were it not for the fact that her recent thesis was accepted and approved by a panel of prominent professors at the Sorbonne. Although the panel accepted it as a treatise on sociology, Teissier abruptly dismisses any discussion of sociology at the beginning of her paper, writing, a discussion about the philosophy of sociology... would be out of place here... Her entire 900-page paper is peppered with reactionary nonsense. Without over-testing the patience of our readers, here are a few examples: * Recent investigations have allowed us to establish a relation between cancer and even AIDS with the dissonances of these two planets [Neptune and Pluto] with respect to the natal theme. (p. 213) * ... miscarriages, uterine cancers and other gynaecological disorders are foreseeable, because they become more probable by the transit of a dissonant star sign. (p.239) * On page 127 Teissier examines the horoscope of author and former leading Gaullist minister Andre Malraux and concludes that he probably inherited his considerable talents from a former life. * In the course of her paper, she makes clear that her targets are, the aggressive rationalists who are allergic to the stars (p. 42) and the militants of official science. (p. 767) The recognition being afforded to astrology in France and other
[CTRL] In Saudi Arabia, five of the alleged hijackers have emerged and they are ALIVE!!!! (RESEND) (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum Interesting.. But the investigation into the terrorists is being hampered by questions of identity. It appears that five of the hijackers were using stolen identities. Many of them seem to have adopted the personas of real-life commercial and military pilots. In Saudi Arabia, five of the alleged hijackers have emerged, alive and astonished to see their names and photographs appearing on satellite television. Yesterday, the Londonbased Asharq al-Awsat newspaper said it had interviewed Mr Alomari in Riyadh, and that he had left the US in April 2000. It said the American-educated engineer had reported to police that his passport was stolen when his flat in Denver was burgled in 1995. Ahmed al-Shehri, a Saudi diplomat told another newspaper that details of another hijacker matched his son Waleed, who now lives in Morocco. The pilot with Saudi Arabian Airlines graduated four years ago from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Florida. Another Saudi pilot, Said Hussein al-Ghamdi, whose picture was released by the US authorities may in fact be living in Tunis and may have been falsely accused. Full story: http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=458448in_review_text_id=410060 ININ List Archives Found Here: http://www.egroups.com/messages/inin TO SUBSCRIBE: To subscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type: subscribe inin-net TO UNSUBSCRIBE: To unsubscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type in: unsubscribe inin-net ISLAMIC NEWS AND INFORMATION NETWORK: HTTP://WWW.ININ.NET VISIT: HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE DEFINING APARTHEID Article 2 of the International Convention of the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 1973 clearly defined the term crime of apartheid. This includes similar policies and practices of segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which also apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a racial group from full development of their political, social, economic and cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- From }}}Begin September 20, 2001 Occupation and Resistance By Carl Estabrook [Note: This was written before the attacks on New York and the Pentagon, but it deals with an issue that is bound up with the attacks and with the war that Washington seems about to loose upon the world. It occurs to me to send it around now because of a report carried by Agence France Presse last Friday, quoting an interview by Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben Eliezer with the newspaper Yediot Aharonot. He noted that the international community has been silent about the recent Israeli killing of Palestinians in the West Bank because of the attacks on the US. It is a fact that we have killed 14 Palestinians in Jenin, Kabatyeh and Tammun, with the world remaining absolutely silent. It's a disaster for Arafat, Ben Eliezer told the Yediot. It seems more important now than it's been in a while for us to try to understand the real situation in the US and it client states -- rejecting the propaganda persistently propounded by pundit and professor.-CGE] Each day the media bring us new accounts of killings in the Middle East, described as the result of fighting between Israelis and Palestinians, and we wonder why these people can't simply be reasonable, like us, and stop it. The news reports rarely point out that on one side stands perhaps the second-strongest military in the world, armed and supplied by US money, and on the other a subject people with no army or heavy weapons, but who do have the weapon of the powerless -- their willingness to die. And the media hardly ever point out that the killing goes on in a region under military occupation by Israel, a military occupation that is not only brutal, as military occupations often are, but entirely illegal under international law. It could be argued that Israel's military occupation of the West Bank (of the Jordan River) and the Gaza Strip (a parcel of land at Israel's southwest corner) are even more clearly illegal than, say, Germany's military occupation of France in World War II. In June of 1940, after a rapid invasion, the German army occupied three-fifths of France and secured the collaboration of the French government at Vichy that controlled the rest of the country. In June of 1967, after a rapid invasion, the Israeli army occupied the West Bank and Gaza, and, with the Oslo Accords of 1993, secured the collaboration of the Palestinian Authority that now controls some parts of the occupied territories. But UN Security Council Resolution 242 in 1967 demanded the complete withdrawal of Israel from the occupied territories; instead, Israeli governments continued the occupation and continued to establish settlements of its citizens throughout the occupied region, settlements in violation of international law as stated in the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, which was designed precisely to make illegal what Germany had done in the Second World War. In France, to the dismay of the Vichy government, a resistance movement (maquis) grew up against the invaders almost immediately. In Palestine, the resistance has been much more sporadic, in part because of the far tighter control the Israeli army was able to exercise: in 1987 a resistance movement (intifada) broke out in the Jebalia refugee camp in Gaza, spread to the rest of the occupied Territories, and lasted until 1993 -- a popular uprising, it came as a surprise to the PLO, then in exile in Tunisia; and then a year ago, popular resistance against occupation broke out again, out of the control of the Palestinian Authority. We honor the French Resistance, because it can hardly be doubted that there is a right to resist illegal military occupation. The German rule in France was famously brutal, especially after the Germans occupied the rest of the country (as many American columnists are now advising the Israelis to do). Thousands were said to have been killed by the occupying forces in reprisals for attacks on members of the occupying army, although of course many of the French collaborated with the invaders as well. Outside the area served by the US media, the real situation today in the Middle East is known to be similar. At a large meeting of NGOs (non-governmental organizations -- service groups actually involved in alleviating suffering around the world) parallel to the recent World Conference against Racism in Durban, South Africa, 3,000 delegates from 44 regions agreed to a resolution referring to Israel as a racist apartheid state guilty of war crimes, acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing. At the racism conference itself, the careful and diplomatic Secretary General of the UN, Kofi Annan, made an important comment in his opening address. (He has to be careful and diplomatic on these issues: his predecessor, also an eminently careful and diplomatic man, was thrown out of his UN job by the Clinton Administration because
[CTRL] Fwd: [The_Spike] Activist Berrigan confined alone after terrorist attacks
In a message dated 09/21/2001 1:14:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [The_Spike] Activist Berrigan confined alone after terrorist attacks Date: 09/21/2001 1:14:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Judith Hill) Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spike List) Activist Berrigan confined alone after terrorist attacks By Carl Schoettler Sun Staff Originally published September 21, 2001 http://sunspot.net/news/nationworld/bal-te.prisoner21sep21.story The 77-year-old peace activist Philip F. Berrigan was immediately shifted into solitary confinement at a federal penitentiary Sept. 11 when terrorists crashed hijacked airliners into the Pentagon and World Trade Center. Berrigan was among a number of high-profile inmates segregated from the general population in federal prisons across the nation, according to Internet messages received Wednesday at Jonah House, the Roman Catholic anti-war community that Berrigan helped found in Baltimore nearly 30 years ago. Phil's in lockdown, said Elizabeth McAlister, Berrigan's wife, who is also a founder of Jonah House. We don't even know if he's getting mail. We know he's not writing. Berrigan is confined in the Federal Correctional Institution at Elkton, Ohio, a low-security prison. Jonah House members believe that on Sept. 11 federal prison authorities also segregated Leonard Peltier, the Native American activist in prison for the killing of two FBI agents in 1975, and Marilyn Buck, convicted of joining a Black Liberation Army robbery of an armored truck during which two police officers and a Brink's guard were killed. Berrigan has about three months to go on a sentence of a year and a day for violation of parole in connection with an anti-war demonstration at a naval base in Maine. McAlister says she made about 15 phone calls to the prison Wednesday before she learned that Berrigan was in segregation. In a letter asking for help from Maryland Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski, she said that her husband was not allowed visitors or phone calls. I was not told why or for how long, she said. She was assured he was permitted to write letters. But she said she has not received any mail from him since before Sept. 11. An aide to the senator was told that Berrigan was placed in segregation as a result of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and that it was for his own protection. Officials at the Elkton prison referred questions to the federal Bureau of Prisons. Traci Billingsley, a Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman, said: All institutions have taken appropriate security measures to make sure the institutions and inmates are secure. Copyright © 2001, The Baltimore Sun Activist Berrigan confined alone after terrorist attacks By Carl Schoettler Sun Staff Originally published September 21, 2001 http://sunspot.net/news/nationworld/bal-te.prisoner21sep21.story The 77-year-old peace activist Philip F. Berrigan was immediately shifted into solitary confinement at a federal penitentiary Sept. 11 when terrorists crashed hijacked airliners into the Pentagon and World Trade Center. Berrigan was among a number of high-profile inmates segregated from the general population in federal prisons across the nation, according to Internet messages received Wednesday at Jonah House, the Roman Catholic anti-war community that Berrigan helped found in Baltimore nearly 30 years ago. Phil's in lockdown, said Elizabeth McAlister, Berrigan's wife, who is also a founder of Jonah House. We don't even know if he's getting mail. We know he's not writing. Berrigan is confined in the Federal Correctional Institution at Elkton, Ohio, a low-security prison. Jonah House members believe that on Sept. 11 federal prison authorities also segregated Leonard Peltier, the Native American activist in prison for the killing of two FBI agents in 1975, and Marilyn Buck, convicted of joining a Black Liberation Army robbery of an armored truck during which two police officers and a Brink's guard were killed. Berrigan has about three months to go on a sentence of a year and a day for violation of parole in connection with an anti-war demonstration at a naval base in Maine. McAlister says she made about 15 phone calls to the prison Wednesday before she learned that Berrigan was in segregation. In a letter asking for help from Maryland Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski, she said that her husband was not allowed visitors or phone calls. I was not told why or for how long, she said. She was assured he was permitted to write letters. But she said she has not received any mail from him since before Sept. 11. An aide to the senator was told that Berrigan was placed in segregation as a result of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and that it was for his own protection. Officials at the Elkton prison referred questions to the federal Bureau of
Re: [CTRL] Israel: No Compromise in Terror War
-Caveat Lector- Joshua2 - tell me have you ever come up with an original thought in your life for you Marxists are all alike. Always wondered why Karl Marx hated jews - well after you, what else is new - asshole. Hello to you little Marxist friends. Special hello to Moshe the Masher - tell me is this your wife? Sayonara Mr. Schwartz an Salaam. O'Saba PS: The only Schwartz I ever new had a son who wanted to be a swineherdis that you? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Demand for gold coins rises dramatically
By David Bogoslaw Dow Jones Newswires September 21, 2001 NEW YORK -- While the price of gold has disappointed some traders by not rising further on the financial and political uncertainty arising from last week's terrorist attacks, physical demand for bullion coins has skyrocketed in recent days. Retail demand is through the roof, Frank McGhee, a dealer at Alliance Financial LLC in Chicago, said. I want them, I want them in my possession, I want to bury them in the backyard, is the overriding sentiment by small investors who, for the most part have, haven't shown much interest in the coin market in recent years, he explained. While bullion coins have a face value, such as $50 for the American Gold Eagle, they are priced according to the market value of the metal they contain. The Gold Eagle contains 1 troy ounce of gold. Michael Alster, marketing director for coin dealer Eastern Numismatis, Inc. in Garden City, N.Y., estimated demand for bullion coins has risen by 30 percent over normal levels during the past week, with nine out of 10 calls being for Gold Eagles. People are walking in and buying them right off of the counter, he said. Mike Tordella, president of Manfra Tordella and Brooke (MTB Inc.), a New York-based wholesaler and retailer of precious metal coins and bars, averred that volume had increased at least fivefold since the attacks. He saw gold fulfilling its role as a safe haven in times of crisis. We're getting calls from financial planners who are looking for a half million or even a million dollars' worth of gold for their clients, Tordella said. That represents a rather small portion of an individual portfolio, but it's a lot more than what people had been considering previously. Many investment managers agree that by holding between 5 and 10 percent of their portfolios in the form of precious metals, individual investors can reduce the overall risk in their portfolios. But until recently the monetary returns on holding gold, silver and platinum have been small compared with returns realized from equity investments, which limited demand. While coin demand vaulted higher last week, now that equity markers have lost more than 13 percent of their value this week, people have begun to pull back, reluctant to buy much of anything, noted Mike Fuljenz, president of Universal Coin and Bullion in Beaumont, Texas. This is what happens historically. Going back to Black Monday (on the New York Stock Exchange in October 1987), whenever you have crisis, you see an initial surge, then a little pullback, because people get a little worried because they may have lost 15 to 20 percent of their net worth in the stock market, he explained. As the equity markets find their footing and stabilize in the months ahead, more investors will flock to coins, however, he predicted. Three to six months after the events occur, we go into major bull demand, he said, citing historical precedents such as the aftermath of President Nixon's resignation in 1974 and the Iran hostage crisis in 1980. People become more willing to diversify. When they do, he added, taking only a little bit out of equities investments gives a large boost to the value of precious metals. The surge in bullion coin demand may result in a shortage for a while, as the U.S. Mint was caught unprepared for the run on coins, having been maintaining a minimal inventory over the last year due to lack of demand, according to McGhee at Alliance Financial. The Mint has had problems getting enough planchets, or striking blanks, for the minting of the bullion coins, Alster at Eastern Numismatics, agreed. No comment was available from the Mint. MTB's Tordella didn't see the Mint's low supply as a lasting problem, however. The Mint can keep minting as much as demand requires. It can crank up production very quickly, he said. Nor was he concerned, he said, with the expanded supply of gold bullion in private investors' hands that could easily flow back into the market and force prices down once the financial and political threats had abated. Traditionally, gold has been a one-way metal, he said. People buy it and hold it for a very long time. I don't often sell people half a million dollars' (worth of gold) for their portfolio and have them sell it back in six months' time. Alliance's McGhee cited an increase in the premium of coins to the underlying spot gold price from $5 an ounce before the attacks to $10.50 to $15 an ounce afterwards. But Tordella at MTB hadn't seen premiums rise that much. The market tends to spread itself a lot between bids and offers, he explained. Dealers are working over the phone rather than working off a stable pricing system. We've been having trouble getting (price updates) because communication lines have been damaged. -END- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial /FONTA
[CTRL] PEARL HARBOR II: The Technology of Manipulation
Dear readers!Here's another article from the Russian press about the USterrorist attacks.The URL of this page is: http://eairc.boom.ru/views/pearl.html=== PEARL HARBOR II: The Technology of Manipulation Did Washington know about the World Trade Center attacks in advance? by G. Shcherbatov ARI (Agency of Russian Information), Sept. 12, 2001 Translated from the Russian, slightly abridged and modified Two years ago, on the eve of the beginning of the 2nd Chechen War, when apartment houses were being blown up in Moscow, evidence surfaced that they might have been blown up not by Chechen terrorists, but by the Kremlin, to create a pretext to declare war. Now some are voicing a similar theory in relation to the recent New York terrorist attacks, i.e., that Washington itself had a hand in them. If this sounds too far-fetched for you, then read on. Live coverage of the attack was just getting underway in New York, and already we were hearing the words: "Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor. It's another Pearl Harbor!" Just how accurate this comparison was could be judged by the cold shiver that ran up my spine and the spines of others who remember their history. For consumers of hamburgers raised on the Hollywood version of that tragedy, "Pearl Harbor!" is a rallying cry to destroy the infidels, only with Arabs this time in the role of the Japanese. I can imagine how fat-bottomed housewives all over America shed patriotic tears into their popcorn at the sight of those boys singing on the Capitol steps. Those more skeptical of official American propaganda, however, will find the following facts to be a good memory-refresher: On December 7, 1941 a surprise Japanese air-attack over Pearl Harbor resulted in 4574 casualties (killed, injured, and missing), 177 aircraft, two destroyers, two squadron minesweepers and a lot of smaller vessels destroyed. That day went into US history as a "day of infamy". This has been pounded into the heads of all American schoolchildren for the last 60 years. But what's been beaten out of their heads just as insistently? 1. On January 27, 1941, the US ambassador in Tokyo informed his government that "in case of conflict between the United States and Japan, the Japanese intend a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor". 2. The legendary Soviet agent Richard Sorge informed the Soviet Government in October 1941 that "the Japanese intend to attack Pearl Harbor in the next 60 days," and received an answer that this information had been passed on to President Roosevelt. (From Sorge's admission, published in the "New York Daily News" of May 17, 1951.) 3. >From September 1941 until the moment of the attack, all Japanese communiques intercepted and deciphered by American intelligence pointed to the impending attack on Pearl Harbor, but they were not passed on to local command: Documents published after the war show that the American base in Hawaii was deprived of all information about the inevitable attack. Even such agitprop as the Discovery Channel is in agreement with this. 4. On December 1, 1941, the head of the Far East Division of US Naval Intelligence wrote in his report to the commander of the Pacific Fleet: "War between the United States and Japan will begin in the nearest future." The report never reached the commander's desk, because it was "accidentally" detained by his superiors. 5. On December 5, 1941 Colonel Sadtler from US military communications wrote the following telegram to his command, based on information he'd received: "War with Japan will begin immediately; exclude all possibility of a second Port Arthur." This telegram was also detained. 6. The Japanese' answer to Roosevelt's ultimatum, tantamount to a declaration of war, was received by Washington on the 6th of December, 1941. Not a word of this was passed on to the Pearl Harbor command. In addition to these incontrovertible facts there are the memoirs of three high-ranking commanders of the US Navy, all participants in the events surrounding Pearl Harbor: Rear Admiral Kimmel, head of the Pacific Fleet; Fleet Admiral Halsey, under Kimmel's command in December, 1941; and Rear Admiral Theobald, commander of the minesweeper squadron at Pearl Harbor. From Kimmel's memoirs: "It was part of Roosevelt's plan that no warning be sent to the Hawaiian Islands. Our leaders in Washington, who deliberately didn't inform our forces in Pearl Harbor, cannot be justified in any way. The Pearl Harbor command wasn't informed at all about ... the American note of November 26, 1941, delivered to the Japanese ambassador, which practically exluded further negotiations and made war in the Pacific inevitable The Army and Navy command in the Hawaiian Islands received not even a hint about intercepted and deciphered Japanese telegrams which were forwarded to concerned parties in Washington
[CTRL] 1998 - The US Bares its Fangs to its Flunkeys
-Caveat Lector- http://rawa.hackmare.com/attack-e.htm The US Bares its Fangs to its Flunkeys Last night the world was astounded by the news of US missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan and the Sudan. RAWA has in the past repeatedly warned that the US GOVERNMENT is no friend of the people of Afghanistan, primarily because during the past two decades she did not spare any effort or expense in training and arming the most sordid, the most treacherous, the most misogynic and anti-democratic indigenous Islamic fundamentalist gangs and innumerable crazed Arab fanatics in Afghanistan and in unleashing them upon our people. After the retreat of the Russian aggressors and the collapse of Najib's puppet regime in Afghanistan these fundamentalist entities became all the more wildly unbridled. They officially and wholeheartedly accepted the yoke of servitude to the interests of foreign governments, in which capacity they have perpetrated such crimes and atrocities against the people of Afghanistan that no parallel can be found in the history of any land on earth. It is no secret that Afghan fundamentalists headed by Burhanuddin Rabbani, Karim Khalili, Rasul Sayyaf, Ahmad Shah Masoud, Golbuddin Hekmatyar, Yunis Khalis, Mullah Omar and associates such as Dostum and his like have all been nurtured in the lap of the CIA. It was the CIA that gave all these nobodies name and fame and supported them in their power-grabbing and fiefdom-building ploys and plots. Now the US is out to hunt down Osama bin Laden, an old Arab operative raised and trained by the CIA who is cohabiting with the Taliban and bankrolling the decimation of our compatriots in the Taliban's dog-fights with their Jihadi brethren-in-creed. The US made maximum use of Arab mercenaries in her dogged determination to undo her superpower rival, the Soviet Union, but now the old myrmidons have become too much of an ungrateful nuisance. The US is the ally [read master] and sponsor of quite a number of anti-democratic fundamentalist states and entities in the world, therefore the United States' quarrel with her protégés, whether Arabs or Taliban or Jihadis, is nothing but a domestic dispute between lord and vassal. RAWA roundly condemns the US air strikes against Afghanistan because the impoverished masses of Afghanistan --already trapped in the dog-fighting between the US's Taliban and Jihadi flunkeys-- are the ones who are most hurt in the attacks, and also because the US, like the arrogant superpower she is, has violated the sovereignty of the Afghan people and the territorial integrity of the Afghan homeland. The US is against fundamentalist terrorism to the extent and until such time as her proper interests are jeopardised; otherwise she is all too happy to be a friend and sponsor of any fundamentalist-terrorist criminal entity. If the US does not want her ridiculous bigotry to show and really wants to eliminate fundamentalist terrorism, she should draw lessons from her own past myopic policies and realise that the sources of fundamentalist terrorism are America's support to the most reactionary regimes in Arab and non-Arab countries and her military and financial largesse to Afghan fundamentalist criminals. Terrorism will be uprooted only when these two sources are dried up. The US air strike against Afghanistan is particularly shameful and worthy of condemnation because it comes at a time when the Iranian regime, under the pretext of aiding and supporting the Masood, Rabbani and Dostum bands and its Shiite myrmidons, are openly talking of military intervention in Afghanistan, and Russia and the Central Asian republics are speaking out in support of their Jihadi lackeys. It is not surprising that minutes after the news of the attack went on the air, the so-called Afghan ambassador in London, Ahmad Wali Masood (brother of Ahmad Shah Masood) in an interview with the BBC condoned and welcomed the American air strikes and asked the US to break in the Taliban by expanding and increasing such attacks, because the Taliban had taken delivery of Osama bin Laden from the ISI. The utterances of this mean thief clearly shows the opportunism of Jihadi traitors who stoop to any baseness and conspiracy when things become too uncomfortable for them. The Jihadi traitors should understand that just as the Taliban ignoramus-cum-criminals' anti-American outpourings and their defence of Osama bin Laden cannot cleanse them in the eyes of our people of the infamy of their American-sponsored spawning, in the same manner the mark of shame and disgrace on the Jihadis' foreheads cannot be washed away, because till yesterday the greater part of the CIA cash-and-arms pipeline was being poured down their throats, and today the same fundamentalist cut-throat Jihadi bands have become servile mercenaries serving Iranian, Indian and Tajikistani interests. It would be a grave mistake if the governments of the US, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan and India were to
[CTRL] FBI deepen probe as doubts grow over terrorists' identities (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, FBI deepen probe as doubts grow over terrorists' identities WASHINGTON, Sept 21 (AFP) - http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/article.html?s=asia/headlines/010921/world/afp/FBI_deepen_probe_as_doubts_grow_over_terrorists__identities.html FBI agents across the United States were Friday deepening their probe into the men who hijacked the planes in September 11's terrorist attacks after worrying doubts emerged over their true identities. As US allies rallied to help trace the attackers as well as their sources of finance, FBI Director Robert Mueller conceded Thursday that the names of some of the 19 men earlier identified by Washington as the hijackers had been called into question. FBI investigators in Chicago were questioning 34-year-old Nabil Marabh, who was picked up Wednesday on suspicion of having aided the men who commandeered four jetliners and flew three of them into New York's World Trade Center and Washington's Pentagon on September 11. President George W. Bush late Thursday singled out a militant Islamic group led by Osama bin Laden, a Saudi-born exile believed to be hiding in Afghanistan, as the chief culprit. The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al-Qaeda, Bush told a joint session of Congress. They are the same murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and responsible for the bombing of the USS Cole. But, despite the detention of four other people considered material suspects -- individuals believed to have information vital to the probe -- US officials have produced no public evidence linking the hijackers to bin Laden. Part of the problem facing investigators is the emerging belief that at least some of the 19 hijackers used stolen identification. In Washington, the Saudi embassy said Thursday that two Saudi citizens identified by the FBI as hijackers were alive and had their passports stolen years ago. Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal, who was visiting Washington, said at least five Saudis on the FBI list had no connection at all with what happened. The New York Times said Marabh was believed to be a close associate of bin Laden, and could provide the first formal link between the illusive millionaire and the attack. But the head of the FBI's Chicago office, Kathleen McChesney, said they were still trying to establish his identity, adding: We still have a lot of work to do. Agents searching for Marabh had 48 hours earlier arrested at his home in Detroit three men of Arab descent and found false documents, maps of the city's international airport and documents on a US base in Turkey. They were Ahmed Hannan, 33, Karim Kubriti, 23, and Faruk Ali-Halmud, 21, the FBI said. According to the spokeswoman, investigators found a notebook with notes in Arabic about a US base in Turkey, about the US Secretary of State, about Jordan's Alia airport, its runways and air corridors above it. But just as the worldwide probe into atrocities which left more than 6,800 people feared dead appeared to get a fillip, FBI Director Mueller admitted that there were doubts over the true identities of the hijackers. We have several hijackers whose identities were those on the manifests, we have several others (who) are still in question, Mueller said in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, the site of the crash of one of four passenger jets hijacked in the terror blitz. Mueller had said last week that his bureau had a fairly high level of confidence its list of 19 names reflected those of the attackers. Doubts over the identities of at least some of the men first emerged from news reports. One Arabic newspaper said Abdulaziz Alomari, identified as one of the suicide hijackers on the first plane to slam into the World Trade Center on September 11, is alive and in Saudi Arabia and that his passport was stolen several years ago. Saudi officials have reportedly warned that the terrorists may have been using stolen identity documents when they boarded the doomed aircraft. The reports prompted US officials to begin investigating whether some or all of the 19 suspects had used stolen identities, possibly seriously complicating efforts to link them to Osama bin Laden. The use of false identities is standard in terrorism, but it certainly makes it much harder to trace the act back to its leader and to establish links between terrorist cells, said expert Professor Anthony Cordesman of the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. Investigators are sifting through more than 96,000 leads and searched for nearly 200 people wanted for questioning about the attack, as tentacles of the probe spread across the globe and Washington's war on terror gathered pace. In Yemen, dozens of suspected followers of bin Laden were arrested while Lebanese police opened an investigation into Ziad Samir Jarrah, a suspect in the terror attacks, at
[CTRL] theorizing still
-Caveat Lector- I wish now that I had paid closer attention to the CIA's activities in Kashmir in the past two years. My gut tells me there is a connection - much bloodshed there recently. Anyone? How about the Taliban's eradication of 95% of Afghanistan's 2001 opium crop? That could prompt a quick response from America's biggest drug dealer - Bush Jr. Need I remind y'all that the Balkans were the western hempisphere's biggest funnel for heroin? Sometimes I wonder if 90% of the last thousand years' wars aren't drug wars... __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 1993 - AFGHANS JOINING REBELS IN KASHMIR
-Caveat Lector- *** Global Hindu Electronic Network (GHEN) Are you a subscriber of Hindu Digest? To subscribe to Hindu Digest send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following contents subscribe hindu-d Full Name [Note: Full Name must be at least 2 words] *** Subject: Some articles on Kashmir (14) *** Source :NEW YORK TIMES, August 24th, 1993 AFGHANS JOINING REBELS IN KASHMIR. Indian Officials Assert Islamic Guerrillas Are Fighting For Muslim Separatists. --- By SANJOY HAZARIKA, Special to The New York Times. NEW DELHI, Aug. 23 - Hundreds of battle-hardened Afghan rebels have slipped into the northern Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir and are fighting along- side local Muslim separatists and raising the level of the insurgency against Indian troops, intelligence officials said today. There are about 200 Afghans fighting in Kashmir but we believe that the total figure of foreign fighters is about 400, said an Indian official,who is closely associated with intelligence operations in Kashmir. He said that interrogation of one captured Afghan and of Kashmiri militants indicated that the Afghans were mostly members of the Hezb-i-Islami party of the Afghan Prime Minister, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. An Experienced Adversary. Essentially,the presence especially of the Afghans means a tougher confrontation for the security forces, because these are veterans of the war against Russia and against other insurgents, they understand strategy, are experts in explosives and ambush and capable of fighting long battles, said this security expert. He and other officials who asked not to be named, said that an increase in the number of attacks on police and army officials - aimed at specific middle- level figures - indicated a new dimension to the insurgency. The Afghans and the other supposed foreign nationals are reportedly working with several anti-Indian militant groups, including fighters from the powerful Party Of God and several function as bodyguards for Kashmiri militant leaders, security officials said. One official said the Afghans comprised the bulk of the foreign militants but Muslims of other nationalities also were involved, including people from the Pakistani part of Kashmir, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Sudan. Ambush Of Border Unit. The experience of the Afghan war was displayed in one incident, the Indian official said, when Afghan led rebels inflicted a stinging defeat on Indian troops. They ambushed and killed 10 members of a paramilitary Border Security Force patrol and captured four. The Indians have not yet been freed. Government reports made available to a reporter said at least 29 Afghans were killed in Gun battles with Indian troops in Kashmir between September 1992 and the middle of July 1993. The total number of foreign nationals killed according to this account was at least 63, including 22 from Pakistan. Thousands of Kashmiris have died since the revolt against India began in September 1989 in battles between Indian forces and Kashmiri separatists, in clashes among the militants as well as in attacks on unarmed civilians. Hindus Flee Kashmir. Since 1990, more than 250,000 Hindu Kashmiris have fled the Vale of Kashmir, the center of the main fighting between Indian troops and the Kashmiris. Many of them have settled in crowded and unsanitary refugee camps in the Hindu dominated Jammu and have also come to New Delhi and other cities. Refugees have charged that the Islamic militants have attacked and robbed them and raped women. Some of these accusations have been supported by Indian and International human rights groups. ( E N D ) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
[CTRL] Arab columnists: The perpetrators of the attacks are not Arabs or Muslims (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, Special Dispatch No. 270: Terror in America Arab columnists: The perpetrators of the attacks are not Arabs or Muslims http://memri.org/news.html#100003 Many columnists in the Arab media have discussed the identities of the perpetrators of the New York and Washington, DC attacks. Some chose to disregard the findings of the FBI investigation (that the perpetrators were Arabs and/or Muslims), presenting instead a series of American and international elements that they believe carried out the attacks. Following is a review of possible perpetrators according to the Arab media: Bush and Powell Did It The possibility that the US attacks were a conspiracy hatched by President Bush and Secretary of State Powell was presented by Samir Atallah, a columnist for the London daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat. He wrote: I have a sneaking suspicion that George W. Bush was involved in the operation of September 11, as was Colin Powell. The reasons for this are as follows: George W. Bush was the president who has garnered the least support of all US presidents throughout history. He won the election by a miniscule majority that would not have won a town council [position] in a village in South Egypt. His presidency was in doubt from the beginning. It was said that the poor way in which he entered the White House would divide the American nation. It was said that he is not worthy [of being president], that he is a man who takes no interest in what is happening in the world, a man who does not know the name of the president of Pakistan [But] after September 11, George W. Bush is the first president since Roosevelt with both parties behind him, with no one opposing him. He is the first president in the history of the US to have received an unprecedented amount of financial, political, and military support, and to have it approved so quickly. He continues the line of the Bush family: losers at peace, but leaders at war. Every George Bush in the family, fathers and sons, has his own world war Regarding the involvement of Colin Powell it was General Powell's fate to be the one to declare war together with both George Bush Sr. and with George Bush Jr. It might have been noticed that Powell was the first to use the word 'war,' and the first to name Osama bin Laden. Just as he commanded the military in Iraq, he will command diplomacy during the war declared on the unknown(1) Israel, International Zionism, or the Jews Did It This theory has been very popular among various columnists in the Arab media. Columnist Ahmad Al-Muslih, for example, stated: What happened is, in my opinion, the product of Jewish, Israeli, and American Zionism, and the act of the great Jewish Zionist mastermind that controls the world's economy, media, and politics The goal of the suicide operations in New York was, in my opinion, to push the American people, President Bush, and NATO to submit even more to the Jewish Zionist ideology and the historical goals [it has held] since the Basel Congress in 1897, under the Zionist-Jewish slogan of 'Islamic terror' We have said in the past that Jewish-Israeli-American Zionism is leading the region to disaster, and that it is trying to lead the Americans and its worldwide allies to world disaster. Perhaps what happened on American [ground] is the beginning of the world disaster.(2) The Lebanese-Jordanian Holocaust denier Hayat Al-Hweiek 'Atiya also hastened to point an accusing finger: Maybe some will think that I am hallucinating things when I speak of Jewish Zionist hands behind the terrible event that struck at the US. Maybe [they will say] that this is one of many hands. But anyone following the reactions has noticed one headline: the American-Zionist-Israeli 'Holy Alliance' indicate that international terror is to blame. By international terror, [this alliance] means, first and foremost, Islam and the Arabs Al-Hweiek 'Atiya continues: In a lengthy interview with the Arab League representative in Paris for the [Egyptian] French-language Al-Nil television channel, [the representative] refrained from pointing directly at the Jews, because as an official he cannot do such a thing before an investigation reveals it, but he [implied] it We must direct all diplomatic and media efforts not only towards washing our hands of it and denying our involvement from the defendant's seat but also to [launching] a counter-campaign that will shift us to a stronger offensive position.(3) Jordanian columnist Rakan Al-Majali wrote that it is clear that Israel is the one to benefit greatly from the bloody, loathsome terror operation that occurred yesterday, and that it seeks to benefit still more by accusing the Arabs and Muslims of perpetrating this loathsome attack Only Israel does not fear the discovery that the Jews are behind this operation, if indeed it was so; who in the US or outside it would dare to accuse them, as every blow to them means talk of a new 'Holocaust?' They,
[CTRL] check these out on bin Laden/Kashmir connection
-Caveat Lector- http://www.public-i.org/excerpts_01_091301.htm http://www.saag.org/papers3/paper266.html http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=2612 http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/archives/archives98/98october04a.html http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/2223/iin23032.html http://www.dalitstan.org/mughalstan/laden/targetin.html http://www.subcontinent.com/sapra/terrorism/tr_1998_12_001_s.html http://www.terrorism.com/_trcctforum5/042d.htm http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/sep/21pm.htm and this started as a gut feeling!!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Report: Osama may have fled Afghanistan
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Yardbird wrote: I suspect both Pakistan and India will be angling to somehow get the US's war on terrorism turned into the obliteration of its neighbour/arch-enemy. Point of fact, both India and Pakistan have their own nuclear capabilities... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] more on Laden/Kashmir
-Caveat Lector- http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/pt_pak_kash_terror http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/inf_ind_kash_bkgd http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/wp_afghan_kashmir http://membrane.com/opsec/kargil/next.html http://www.subcontinent.com/sapra/terrorism/tr_1999_04_001.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] hasan bin sabbah and the secret order of hashishins
-Caveat Lector- --- Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: hasan bin sabbah and the secret order of hashishins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id985/pg1/ hasan bin sabbah and the secret order of hashishins by Wes Moore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - March 22, 2001 Hassan-I-Sabbah . . . the only spiritual leader with anything to say in the Space Age. ~~ William S. Burroughs Nothing is True, Everything is Permissible. ~~ Hasan bin Sabbah The story of Hasan bin Sabbah is a tale of sex, drugs, myth, and murder. A secluded mountain fortress, a paradisial garden, poison dipped daggers, and covert political maneuverings are the ingredients of this alchemical mixture, which is undoubtedly one of the most intriguing true stories ever told. Hasan bin Sabbah - businessman, scholar, heresiarch, mystic, murderer, ascetic, and political revolutionary - was born in Persia (Iran) around 1034. As a child, the man who would one day claim to be the incarnation of God on earth (probably just another way of saying he was Enlightened) was a diligent student of theology. Supposedly, Hasan was schoolmates with Nizamul Mulk (the future vizier to the sultan of Persia) and Omar Khayyam (the great poet/astronomer/mathematician). These three future luminaries made a pact whereas, if one of them reached a position of power and influence, he would assist his companions. As a young man, Hasan traveled to Egypt, where he remained for a year and a half. Here he was taught at the illustrious Abode of Learning in Cairo, which was a Shiite training center (the Shiites are a branch within the Islamic community, they broke off from the mainstream Sunnis after a dispute over who should succeed the prophet Muhammad). At the Abode, students were taught to question Islamic dogma, to the point where their only source of the truth lied in the teachings of their all-powerful instructors. The students had to ascend through nine degrees, until finally they were taught the Ultimate Truth: that the world is created through actions, and beliefs are powerless distractions used to enslave the masses. This system would later serve as the model for the organizational structure of the Hashishins . . . Hasan ran into trouble in Egypt, however, after a controversy arose over who should succeed the Fatimid caliph. The Fatimids, who ruled Egypt at the time, were the heads of the Ismailis, a sect of Islam that separated from the mainstream Shiites. Before the Fatimid caliph died, he appointed his youngest son to take over the dynasty, because his oldest son died before he did. This infuriated Sabbah, who believed the descendant of the caliph's oldest son, Nizar, was the rightful heir to the throne. Sabbah was imprisoned in Egypt for supporting Nizar, but, as luck would have it, the prison wall collapsed and he fled to Persia. While searching for a permanent residence, Hasan found a secluded fortress high in the mountains of Qazwin. This castle, called Alamut (the eagle's nest) was the ideal stronghold for Hasan's new sect, the Nizari Ismailites (who later called themselves the Hashishins). Alamut was positioned in a central location, and so was an excellent hub from which Hasan could spread Ismaili propaganda. Hasan went about securing Alamut using subtle trickery and persuasion. Whilst bargaining with the owner of Alamut, he requested only a portion of land that could be covered by the skin of a cow. The owner agreed, not realizing how clever and resourceful Hasan could be. Hasan proceeded to divide a cow's hide into such thin layers that he was able to cover the entire surface area of the fortress. The owner was forced to live up to his end of the bargain, and Hasan now had a stronghold from which he could extend his influence throughout the Mideast and, indeed, the history of Western civilization. When word reached Nizamul Mulk (the childhood friend) of Hasan's securing of Alamut, he grew so inflamed with jealousy and rage that he sent an army to siege the fortress, a plot that failed miserably. For this, Hasan had Mulk killed by a dagger into the heart. So much for the pact. Within Alamut, Hasan built the legendary Garden of Earthly Delights, which would play an important role in the initiatic rites of the Hashishins (also called the Assassins). The garden lay in a beautiful valley nestled between two high mountains. Here he had imported exotic plants, birds, and animals from all over the world. Surrounding the garden were luxurious palaces of marble and gold, decorated with beautiful paintings and fine silk furniture. Streams of milk, wine, and honey flowed throughout this earthly paradise, while fountains gushed with wine and pure spring water. The initiate, after being knocked out by a powerful potion
[CTRL] nazism's esoteric influences: ariosophy, an overview
-Caveat Lector- and where, again, did the swastika come from? where is shamanism originally from...keyword: sham - to deceive...to woo... --- Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: nazism's esoteric influences: ariosophy, an overview To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id869/pg1/ nazism's esoteric influences: ariosophy, an overview by Matthew Mitchem ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - February 20, 2001 Night of 27th-28th July, 1941. The National Socialist theory is to make use of all forces, wherever they may come from. ~ ~ Adolf Hitler (H.R. Trevor-Roper (ed.): 17) Part I: The Dark Side of History By Alex Burns The esoteric origin of the Nazi movement, as an explanation of Adolf Hitler's meteoric rise-to-power, and the genocidal Final Solution that resulted in the horrors of Auschwitz-Birkenau and Treblinka, has long haunted our collective imagination. Nowhere is the post-war fascination with the Nazis more felt than in the conspiracy and neo-Nazi communities. Since the publication of Jacques Bergier and Louis Pauwel's landmark book The Morning of the Magicians (New York: Avon Books, 1968), this fascination has transmuted into a fringe subculture, which constructs a crypt-history involving the secretive Thule Society, Antarctic bases and Nazi flying saucers. This fringe subculture fueled a 1970s publishing genre, featuring speculative books on the post-war survival of key Nazis (confirmed by Project Paperclip), the hunt for Martin Bormann, and rumors of a future Fourth Reich, financed by the shadowy ODESSA clique. This genre is best represented by Trevor Ravenscroft's The Spear of Destiny (G. P. Putman's Sons, 1973). Holocaust revisionist David Irving and conspiracy theorist David Icke have both exploited the genre's Dionysian fascination, which also infiltrated Hollywood's pop culture via Steven Spielberg's Indiana Jones films, and the Lucasfilm franchise. Yet despite Spielberg's mythopoeic vision, the genre is considered by historians and scholars as sensationalist, under-researched regarding primary sources, and prone to repeating wild claims. Bergier and Pauwels, alongside Colin Wilson, speculated that Aleister Crowley and George Gurdjieff covertly assisted Nazism's rise-to-globalism. This scenario, relying on marginal evidence, overlooks Nazism's real fascination with magical, occult and philosophical systems. This would include Heinrich Himmler's Deutsches Ahnenerbe (Ancestral Heritage Organization), Hanns Horbiger's glacial cosmology (commonly known as the 1882 Cosmic Ice theory), and the search for the Atlantis of the North conducted by racialist philosopher Alfred Rosenberg and professor Hermann Wirth (Michael Edwardes: 226). We may laugh today at the Nazi belief in a Hollow Earth (Michael Edwardes: 228), safe in the universe where the Allies won. Post-humanism has eclipsed the specter of Ariosophy: a world ruled by gnostic initiates and Wotanist priesthoods, where an Aryan elite rules over non-Aryan slaves. But in a parallel universe . . . Bibliography: Michael Edwardes. The Dark Side of History: Magic in the Making of Man. London: Hart-Davis MacGibbon, 1978. Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke. The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology. New York: St. Martin's Press, 1992. Michael Howard. The Occult Conspiracy. London: Rider, 1989. Gudio von List. Secret of the Runes. Rochester, VT: Destiny Books, 1988. Guido von List Der Unbesiegbare (The Invincible). Runa-Raven Books, 1996. Hermann Rauschning. The Return of Nihilism: Warning to the West. New York: Alliance Book Corporation, 1939. Trevor Ravenscroft. The Spear of Destiny. New York: G. P. Putman's Sons, 1973. Frederick C. Redlick. Hitler: Diagnosis of a Destructive Prophet. New York: Oxford University Press, 1999. H.R. Trevor-Roper (ed.). Hitler's Table Talk, 1941-1944. London: Weidenfeld and Nicholson, 1953. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what
Re: [CTRL] Authorities can't do anything about 7-foot phallic carving AP/Seattle PI
-Caveat Lector- Heck, seems to me that most flags are hoisted on phallic symbols... As Melania Safka's Psychotherapy states... Freud's mystic world of meaning needn't have us mystified; It's really very simple what the psyche tries to hide -- A thing is a phallic symbol if it's longer than it's wide, As the id goes marching on... ;-) June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Six Options Beyond War and Peace
-Caveat Lector- ` http://reason.com/hod/jw092101.html September 21, 2001 What Happens Next? Six options beyond war and peace By Jesse Walker When the military prepares for action, the public debate is usually a simple either/or: Will there be peace, or will there be war? Not so now. Fresh from the bloody assaults on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, there are at least six choices before us, each with its own subgenres and mutant variations. None is perfect, and one is actually insane. But each is worth examining, if only to understand what people actually mean when they call for war, peace, or some other path they can't quite articulate. Here, then, are our choices, beginning with the least violent and ending with the most: 1. The Gandhi Option Some favor no military response to the attacks at all. In its flaky form, this position involves wishing really hard, perhaps while holding someone's hand, that hatred and violence will disappear from the world. Not every pacifist is so naive, though, and there is a more sophisticated case for military inaction. This argument points out that terrorists do not come from nowhere. They respond to particular policies of the country under attack. If, as the evidence suggests, the assault was masterminded by Osama bin Laden or his allies, then it may well be easier to adjust our foreign policy than to hunt down every terrorist in the Middle East, especially since that hunt might inspire yet more Middle Easterners to turn to terrorism. Wouldn't it make more sense just to stop these clumsy interventions into other people's battles? Why make ourselves a target for every tin-pot maniac in the Third World? A variation on this argument notes that many of our present foes--including Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein--were originally built up by the United States to fight the enemies of an earlier day. One can only wonder what our allies in a new war might do to us several years later. There are two problems with the Gandhi option. The first relates not so much to the position itself as to some of the people who have been advancing it. Obsessed with finding what we might have done to deserve this--as though anyone deserves to die this way--the hairshirt faction has conjured a list of sins far removed from anything that could have inspired the attacks. When the filmmaker Michael Moore speculated about the terrorists' motives, for example, his rambling ruminations touched on missile defense, America's withdrawal from the Durban conference on racism, and even our rejection of the Kyoto accords on global warming. Evidently, Moore believes that we are being attacked by European diplomats. In the real world, we are being attacked by a group that--judging from the fatwah issued by Osama bin Laden in 1998--objects to America's military presence in Saudi Arabia, to its sanctions against Iraq, and to its support for Israel. The point of reexamining U.S. foreign policy in the wake of the attacks is not to find everything about it that you might want to change, from Star Wars to Kyoto. It is to find the parts that might be putting us in danger, even if you've supported them until now. In the next few months, a lot of Israel's American supporters will be wrestling with a difficult choice: Israel's security, or their own? Many will choose the latter. The other problem with Gandhianism goes deeper. Watching the World Trade Center towers collapse last week, desperately aware that thousands of people were inside them, most Americans did not merely crave greater security. They wanted justice. If nothing is done to capture the people responsible for that atrocity, it will be hard to claim that justice has been done. 2. The Kojak Option And so we come to option two. A terrible crime has been committed. The immediate perps are now dead, but the conspirators behind them are alive and free. They may be plotting further, even worse assaults. We still aren't sure who they are or where they are, but we have some significant leads. So it's time for some expert policework, to track down and capture the people who did this. The advantage to this approach is that it meets the demand for a response while keeping that response targeted at the criminals. As such, it upholds justice in two ways: by meting it out to the murderers who killed 5,000 people in one day, and by refusing to replicate their crime by killing anyone unfortunate enough to live in the same country as the terrorists. There are two disadvantages. One of them I'll describe later, as it undermines the next two alternatives as well. The other is that, in tracking terrorists through the mountains of central Asia, it won't be easy to stick to all the legal niceties that policemen are supposed to observe. And if it comes down to letting the likely culprits escape or abandoning due process, most Americans will choose the latter. At the very least, they will say, let us consider response three: 3. The Bronson Option If
Re: [CTRL] Report: Osama may have fled Afghanistan
-Caveat Lector- Point of fact, I knew that On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, RevCOAL wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Yardbird wrote: I suspect both Pakistan and India will be angling to somehow get the US's war on terrorism turned into the obliteration of its neighbour/arch-enemy. Point of fact, both India and Pakistan have their own nuclear capabilities... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Anarchy as Taliban lose control (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Anarchy as Taliban lose control By Ahmed Rashid (Filed: 21/09/2001) http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/21/wafg321.x ml LAW and order was breaking down in Kabul yesterday as Taliban soldiers and poverty-stricken civilians carried out armed daylight robberies and looted houses left empty by people who have fled. In many areas of the Afghan capital, discipline among the Taliban appeared to be collapsing ahead of an expected American assault. Armed men are entering people's homes under the guise of checking to see if they have arms, are watching a film or listening to music [both banned activities], said one resident. The owner of the house lets them in because he has nothing to hide. Then he and the male family members are rounded up and the women are forced to hand over cash or jewellery. Another complained: I have lost everything. Crime was almost stamped out in Kabul after the Taliban seized it in 1996. They cut the limbs off thieves or hanged them from lamp posts. Bringing law and order back to an anarchic country was one of the main reasons for the Taliban's early popularity. The breakdown of law and order demonstrates the rapid collapse of the militia's hierarchy. It appears that soldiers are no longer obeying their officers. [Forwarded For Information Purposes Only - Not Necessarily Endorsed By The Sender - A.K. Pritchard] -- A.K. Pritchard The Republican Web pages and email list And to the Republic for which it stands http://members.ll.net/chiliast/ God, Guns, Government History http://members.ll.net/chiliast/GGGH/index2.html Republic USA http://www.republicusa.org/ To subscribe to The Republican email list - just ask! [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Constitution may not be perfect, but it's a lot better than what the government is using these days. --anon From Mark E. Howerter's Web Page The Other Side of the News http://www.otherside.net/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New breeds of Trojan terrorist ?.....
-Caveat Lector- Something like this occurred to me, too. Maybe there were no terrorists aboard those planes. Maybe someone just added a bunch of Arabic names to the passenger lists. We will certainly never know. Whoever was on them was smashed to plaster dust. The preportedly brilliant but misled perpetrators are already dead. A perfect crime. I mean, how do they know that there were 19 hijackers? How do they know how many were aboard each plane? (Did people report this in cell phone calls to relatives?) And if terrorists didn't do it, how did whoever did do it convince 19 people to get on planes and kill themselves--let alone fly into targets that would kill thousands of innocent people? And why so many hijackers? It still seems impossible to believe that 19 people were able to simultaneously hijack FOUR major airliners. And that all the while passengers were contacting loved ones by cell phone, no one was contacting 911 or central headquarters and nothing was being done to deal with the situation. At some point there was an interview with a Florida motel clerk who reported that someone came in and paid a monthly rent for two of the hijackers who were in flight school Apparently, from what she said, this mysterious person paid with a credit card and our brave FBI were in the process of tracking that. What ever happened to that lead? Seems to me I also heard a report at some time (only once and never again--on NBC-TV) that from what they heard through that button that could be pressed in the cockpit, one of the original pilots was at the controls when it hit one of the towers. I believe it was when Brokaw was talking to that Christian Science Monitor reporter. Huh??? On 21 Sep 01, at 12:56, Tony Dickinson wrote: -Caveat Lector- In the US there is much talk about the notion, that this attack has ushered in a new breed of terrorist. That these were bright and educated individuals as opposed to the desperate and angry outcasts of yesterday. New breeds are most certainly being revealed this time around, but, at very best, the evidence so far presented to the public suggest only that these 'bright and educated individuals' existed and may have posessed the skills suggested by their training. I'm sure that Manchurian candidates and straw persons alike come in many flavours. For example, whether they were the only 'foe' on board the aircraft, or did themselves carrying out the acts witnessed by us all remains unknown (at least to me). The discovery of Islamic and Arabic artifacts, IDs and paper trails by these guys appears a little odd to me (cocky, smart or diversive?) and our assumptive logical evaluations of such 'evidence' needs be treated with constant scrutiny. As another example, the assumption that the original pilots steered into the twin towers is now questionable in the minds of many, but how many of us would be willing to entertain the idea that a non-piloted remote control system could have been used to guide the hijacked aircraft to their new trajectories ? I'm not wanting to suggest that this is what actually happened, but posit as an explanatory option, the technology certainly exists. This possibility is not inconsistent with the view that a 'new breed of terrorist' as implied by the questioner does indeed now exist; but my point here, is that we may in the future be 'finding' any number of 'bright and educated individuals' on a crime scene, who by intellectual association and leaning seem to 'fit' suspect-profiles but MAY have little/no knowledge of their complicities. Hopefully I'm wrong. Thoughts ? Cheers, Tony. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om sno0wl A
[CTRL] Search: Project Bojinka (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:40:10 -0700 From: American Patriot Friends Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: American Patriot Friends Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Search: Project Bojinka Airliner terror plan was code-named 'Project Bojinka' http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html Search: Project Bojinka Displaying results 1-10 of 16 pages found http://www.alltheweb.com/search?t=phraseq=Project+Bojinkac=webo=10l=anysd=0tip=0phrase=on U.S. Airlines may be a terror risk over next 3 days - June 2001 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=9879 Inquiry begins Into Intelligene http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html Dear Mr. Bush and fellow Americans: http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=9857
[CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] PEARL HARBOR II: The Technology of Manipulation
-Caveat Lector- From: Mrs. Jela Jovanovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] PEARL HARBOR II: The Technology of Manipulation Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:29:12 +0200 Dear readers! Here's another article from the Russian press about the US terrorist attacks. The URL of this page is: http://eairc.boom.ru/views/pearl.html === PEARL HARBOR II: The Technology of Manipulation Did Washington know about the World Trade Center attacks in advance? by G. Shcherbatov ARI (Agency of Russian Information), Sept. 12, 2001 Translated from the Russian, slightly abridged and modified Two years ago, on the eve of the beginning of the 2nd Chechen War, when apartment houses were being blown up in Moscow, evidence surfaced that they might have been blown up not by Chechen terrorists, but by the Kremlin, to create a pretext to declare war. Now some are voicing a similar theory in relation to the recent New York terrorist attacks, i.e., that Washington itself had a hand in them. If this sounds too far-fetched for you, then read on. Live coverage of the attack was just getting underway in New York, and already we were hearing the words: Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor. It's another Pearl Harbor! Just how accurate this comparison was could be judged by the cold shiver that ran up my spine and the spines of others who remember their history. For consumers of hamburgers raised on the Hollywood version of that tragedy, Pearl Harbor! is a rallying cry to destroy the infidels, only with Arabs this time in the role of the Japanese. I can imagine how fat-bottomed housewives all over America shed patriotic tears into their popcorn at the sight of those boys singing on the Capitol steps. Those more skeptical of official American propaganda, however, will find the following facts to be a good memory-refresher: On December 7, 1941 a surprise Japanese air-attack over Pearl Harbor resulted in 4574 casualties (killed, injured, and missing), 177 aircraft, two destroyers, two squadron minesweepers and a lot of smaller vessels destroyed. That day went into US history as a day of infamy. This has been pounded into the heads of all American schoolchildren for the last 60 years. But what's been beaten out of their heads just as insistently? 1. On January 27, 1941, the US ambassador in Tokyo informed his government that in case of conflict between the United States and Japan, the Japanese intend a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. 2. The legendary Soviet agent Richard Sorge informed the Soviet Government in October 1941 that the Japanese intend to attack Pearl Harbor in the next 60 days, and received an answer that this information had been passed on to President Roosevelt. (From Sorge's admission, published in the New York Daily News of May 17, 1951.) 3. From September 1941 until the moment of the attack, all Japanese communiques intercepted and deciphered by American intelligence pointed to the impending attack on Pearl Harbor, but they were not passed on to local command: Documents published after the war show that the American base in Hawaii was deprived of all information about the inevitable attack. Even such agitprop as the Discovery Channel is in agreement with this. 4. On December 1, 1941, the head of the Far East Division of US Naval Intelligence wrote in his report to the commander of the Pacific Fleet: War between the United States and Japan will begin in the nearest future. The report never reached the commander's desk, because it was accidentally detained by his superiors. 5. On December 5, 1941 Colonel Sadtler from US military communications wrote the following telegram to his command, based on information he'd received: War with Japan will begin immediately; exclude all possibility of a second Port Arthur. This telegram was also detained. 6. The Japanese' answer to Roosevelt's ultimatum, tantamount to a declaration of war, was received by Washington on the 6th of December, 1941. Not a word of this was passed on to the Pearl Harbor command. In addition to these incontrovertible facts there are the memoirs of three high-ranking commanders of the US Navy, all participants in the events surrounding Pearl Harbor: Rear Admiral Kimmel, head of the Pacific Fleet; Fleet Admiral Halsey, under Kimmel's command in December, 1941;
[CTRL] AP: Pentagon intelligence analyst accused of spying for Cuba
-Caveat Lector- Pentagon intelligence analyst accused of spying for Cuba By PETE YOST T The Associated Press 9/21/01 6:51 PM WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Pentagon intelligence analyst who attended war games conducted by the U.S. Atlantic Command in 1996 was charged Friday with spying for Cuba. Ana Belen Montes, an employee of the Defense Intelligence Agency, transmitted a substantial amount of classified information to the Cuban intelligence service, an FBI affidavit alleged. Montes appeared before a U.S. magistrate in Washington and was charged with conspiracy to deliver U.S. national defense information to Cuba. She entered no plea and was ordered held without bond. Montes has worked for the DIA, the intelligence arm of the Defense Department, since 1985, authorities said. In a 17-page affidavit, the FBI alleged that earlier this year Montes contacted the Cuban intelligence service via shortwave radio. The FBI secretly entered Montes' residence under a court order May 25 and uncovered information about several Defense Department issues, including a 1996 war games exercise conducted by the U.S. Atlantic Command. According to the affidavit, the DIA said that Montes attended the war games exercise in Norfolk, Va., as part of her official duties at DIA. The FBI said it found information on the hard drive of her laptop computer. One partially recovered message deals with a particular special access program related to the national defense of the United States, which is so sensitive that it could not be publicly revealed in the court documents, the document said. According to the FBI's affidavit, some of the messages suggested that Montes disclosed the upcoming arrival of a U.S. military intelligence officer in Cuba. As a result, the FBI said, the Cuban government was able to direct its counterintelligence resources against the U.S. officer. The FBI said Montes got a message back from her Cuban handlers stating, We were waiting here for him with open arms. One message from her found on the hard drive was from her Cuban intelligence service handler said that she had provided tremendously useful ... information. Another message from her Cuban contact said in regard to the 1996 war games exercise: Practically everything that takes place there will be of intelligence value. Let's see if it deals with contingency plans and specific targets in Cuba. The DIA confirmed that Montes and a colleague were briefed on the highly sensitive program on May 15, 1997. The FBI said they had Montes under surveillance since May. A DIA spokesman declined to comment beyond saying when Montes had gone to work for the agency. The DIA, based at Bolling Air Force Base in southeast Washington, D.C., provides analyses of foreign countries' military capabilities and troop strengths for Pentagon planners. It also has offices within the Pentagon. Along with the CIA, National Security Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office, the DIA is one of the main agencies of the U.S. intelligence community. The spokesman declined to say whether Montes worked at the Pentagon or at Bolling Air Force Base. In June, Mariano Faget, a U.S. immigration official convicted of disclosing classified information to aid Cuba, was sentenced to five years in prison. Faget, once the second-ranking immigration official in Miami, was convicted after an investigation that also lead to the expulsion of a Cuban spy. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
[CTRL] FR: Exclusive-Terrorist Paymaster, Probably Bin Laden's Brother Arrested In Orlando, Sent To New York
-Caveat Lector- http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bab892664b2.htm Law Enforcement Sources, who have been 100% accurate on this story say a man arrested in an Orlando suburb over the weekend is now confirmed as the paymaster for the whole terrorist attack operation. He has been using the name Ahmed Badawi, but FBI believes he is actually is one of the many brothers of Osama Bin Laden! The man, who FBI flew to New York in FBI aircraft yesterday, ran a travel agency in Orlando called Florida Sunny Summer Tours. He also ran a national car delivery service and a check cashing service. The check cashing service gave him ability to move large amounts of cash without arousing suspicion at banks, etc. The car delivery service gave them ability to move people around country with no records or cost. More when we have it. This is a major break... and a FReeper exclusive. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends @admin.listbox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New breeds of Trojan terrorist ?.....
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/21/01 7:10:00 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something like this occurred to me, too. Maybe there were no terrorists aboard those planes. Maybe someone just added a bunch of Arabic names to the passenger lists. We will certainly never know. Whoever was on them was smashed to plaster dust. The preportedly brilliant but misled perpetrators are already dead. A perfect crime. And that begs the question of who would be willing to commit suicide for an op like that? The only alternative I can come up with is a mind controlled operative. Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SFC: Bin Laden's man in Silicon Valley
-Caveat Lector- Bin Laden's man in Silicon Valley Mohamed the American' orchestrated terrorist acts while living a quiet suburban life in Santa Clara By Lance Williams, Erin McCormick San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writers Friday, September 21, 2001 He was the California connection to Osama bin Laden's fearsome terrorist organization -- an architect of horrific acts of violence against his adopted country, even as he lived a quiet suburban lifestyle in Silicon Valley. For much of a decade he commuted from the West Coast to the terrorist camps of Afghanistan and Sudan, where he trained bin Laden's men in guerrilla military tactics, surveillance and explosives. The unsuspecting Americans who met him in his duplex in Santa Clara knew him as Ali A. Mohamed, a cordial, under-employed Egyptian immigrant with an Army background, a U.S.-born wife and frequent business abroad. But to his fellow terrorists, he was Abu Mohamed ali Amriki -- Mohamed the American -- a hard-driving military taskmaster who trained bin Laden's own personal security cadre and was a top aide and confidant of the shadowy terrorist kingpin himself. Until his 1998 arrest for plotting the terror bombing of two U.S. embassies in East Africa, Mohamed was the California connection, period, for bin Laden, said lawyer Sam A. Schmidt, who defended another accused terrorist in the embassy bombing trial this year. Now in prison and presumed to be a government informant, Mohamed could be a key connection for U.S. investigators probing bin Laden's links to the suicide hijackers who flew jetliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon last week, some experts say. In remarks to a judge last year when he pleaded guilty to terrorism charges, Mohamed admitted a long list of such crimes: training guerrillas who attacked U.S. soldiers in Somalia in 1993; arranging a summit conference of anti-U.S. terrorist organizations in Sudan in 1994; plotting the suicide bombings of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed more than 200 people and injured thousands. Other suspected activities during his California days include raising money for the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, implicated in the 1981 assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, and smuggling sleeper agents for bin Laden into the United States from Canada. For the U.S. government, Mohamed is important today because he has extraordinary insights into the inner workings of bin Laden's al Qaeda organization, says Yonah Alexander, director of the Potomac Institute's Center for Terrorism Studies in Washington, D.C., who has researched Mohamed's life. He may even have had personal contacts with some of the hijackers responsible for last week's attacks. In his previous life, perhaps he trained some of these people, Alexander said. Clearly (the government) has interrogated him, and we assume they are doing it now, because he is a very important source. Mohamed's story also is important because it shows how easily even a top- level terrorist can operate unmolested and undetected from the very heart of the United States. Terrorist groups have woven themselves into the fabric of America, said Harvey Kushner, an international security expert and professor at Long Island University. That is why this is going to be a long, protracted war (against terrorism). The enemy is not outside, it's within us. TRIAL RECORDS REVEAL MOHAMED'S SECRET LIFE The details of Mohamed's two lives were obtained from court records generated during two major terrorism trials, from defense lawyers and security experts who have investigated his background and from people who knew him in California. By these accounts, Mohamed, 49, is a well-educated Egyptian national, fluent in English, who graduated from both the University of Alexandria and a Cairo military academy. In about 1971, he joined the Egyptian army, rising to the rank of major. As he told a federal judge in New York last year, his links to Middle Eastern terrorist groups go back 20 years: In 1981, he joined the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, a group of radical Muslim fundamentalists opposed to the Egyptian government's ties to the United States and Israel that included members of the Egyptian military. That same year Mohamed first visited the United States, graduating from a special program for foreign officers at the U.S. Army Special Forces school at Fort Bragg, N.C., according to a report by Steven Emerson, an author and terrorism expert. Mohamed left the Egyptian army about three years after Sadat's death, then worked for a time as security adviser for EgyptAir, the national airline, said attorney David Ruhnke, who researched Mohamed's history for the embassy bombing trial. Shortly after that, the terrorist operative returned to the United States and established himself in the Bay Area after romancing an American divorcee whom he met on a transatlantic flight in 1985. Mohamed was traveling from Egypt to New York, he said, while the
[CTRL] WT: Iraq suspected of sponsoring terrorist attacks
-Caveat Lector- September 21, 2001 Iraq suspected of sponsoring terrorist attacks By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES Osama bin Laden was in contact with Iraqi government agents from his base in Afghanistan in the days leading up to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, according to U.S. intelligence officials. Officials also told The Washington Times there are indications bin Laden, the leading suspect in the deadly attacks, is preparing to flee Afghanistan and set up operations in the African nation of Somalia. Bin Laden's contacts with the Iraqi government were detected before the attacks, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. This is the basis for signs of state sponsorship, said one official. Attorney General John Ashcroft said Wednesday that foreign governments likely provided safe haven and support for the 19 terrorists who hijacked four U.S. airliners. Three of the airliners were flown into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon; another crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers apparently fought their captors. Mr. Ashcroft did not identify what foreign governments are believed to be behind the attacks. Officials said the intelligence of direct Iraqi government contacts with bin Laden is one of several pieces pointing to Baghdad's involvement in the attacks. U.S. warplanes attacked air- defense sites in Iraq yesterday, but the Pentagon said the attacks are unrelated to U.S. anti-terrorism operations. President Bush and other U.S. officials have said bin Laden is the key suspect in masterminding last week's kamikaze attacks that killed more than 6,000 Americans. Mr. Bush told a joint session of Congress last night that all governments are on notice that either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. David Ivry, Israel's ambassador to the United States, said yesterday it was too soon to make conclusions about an Iraqi role in the attacks. My opinion is the investigation is being done by the United States by professionals, Mr. Ivry told editors and reporters in a meeting at The Washington Times. They are going to come to conclusions. We are going to try to assist as much as we are going to be asked. But I think it's too early to come up with a kind of fingering of somebody. Mr. Ivry said Iraq has been supporting Palestinian terrorists in Israel by giving financial aid to the families of suicide bombers who have launched attacks. Earlier this week, intelligence officials said one of the hijackers, Mohammed Atta, met with an Iraqi intelligence agent in the months before the attack. The Bush administration is considering whether to target Iraq as part of an international campaign to destroy terrorists and their networks. Some Bush administration officials, especially within the Pentagon, favor attacking Iraq when operations against Afghanistan are begun, possibly within the next few weeks. Other administration officials are said to favor limiting the first strikes to Afghanistan. Asked about public calls for going after state sponsors of terrorism like Iraq, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said President Bush has a clear idea in his mind and has given us our instructions as to how we will begin this campaign and what the focus of our efforts will be initially. We welcome the views from everybody as to how we might go about this campaign, Mr. Powell said. Regarding bin Laden's future in Afghanistan, officials said the indications of his flight to Somalia were received in the past few days. There are indications he is heading to Somalia, said one official. The indications are said to include plans for bin Laden to relocate himself and his wives and other family members from locations in Afghanistan to an undisclosed location in Somalia, the official said. Disclosure of the relocation comes as the ruling Taliban militia announced yesterday in Kabul that bin Laden would be asked to leave the country. A statement issued by the Ulema, or council of some 1,000 Taliban clerics, was not an order for bin Laden to leave. Afghan officials quoted by U.S. wire services stated that bin Laden would be given time to leave whenever possible. Asked about the Taliban statement, Mr. Powell said the announcement was not enough. Voluntarily or involuntarily, we believe that Osama bin Laden has to be put under control and turned over to authorities who can bring him to justice, and it should be done rather quickly, Mr. Powell said. We want action, not just statements. Mr. Powell said bin Laden was responsible for tragedies around the world. The Taliban must turn over bin Laden and all of the other lieutenants and the infrastructure that exists within Afghanistan, Mr. Powell said. This isn't a campaign against one individual, but also the network that he is the leader of, Mr. Powell said. And when we have dealt with al Qaeda, the network, Osama bin Laden, the individual, we will then broaden our campaign to go after other terrorist organizations and
Re: [CTRL] FR: Exclusive-Terrorist Paymaster,Probably Bin Laden's Brother Arrested In Orlando, Sent To New York
-Caveat Lector- FYI http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bab892664b2.htm Law Enforcement Sources, who have been 100% accurate on this story say a man arrested in an Orlando suburb over the weekend is now confirmed as the paymaster for the whole terrorist attack operation. He has been using the name Ahmed Badawi, but FBI believes he is actually is one of the many brothers of Osama Bin Laden! The man, who FBI flew to New York in FBI aircraft yesterday, ran a travel agency in Orlando called Florida Sunny Summer Tours. He also ran a national car delivery service and a check cashing service. The check cashing service gave him ability to move large amounts of cash without arousing suspicion at banks, etc. The car delivery service gave them ability to move people around country with no records or cost. More when we have it. This is a major break... and a FReeper exclusive. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends @admin.listbox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FR: Exclusive-Terrorist Paymaster,Probably Bin Laden's Brother Arrested In Orlando, Sent To New York
Cannot get the link to work, is it me? Thanks. - Original Message - From: Joe Gillaspie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] FR: Exclusive-Terrorist Paymaster,Probably Bin Laden's Brother Arrested In Orlando, Sent To New York -Caveat Lector- FYI http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bab892664b2.htm Law Enforcement Sources, who have been 100% accurate on this story say a man arrested in an Orlando suburb over the weekend is now confirmed as the paymaster for the whole terrorist attack operation. He has been using the name Ahmed Badawi, but FBI believes he is actually is one of the many brothers of Osama Bin Laden! The man, who FBI flew to New York in FBI aircraft yesterday, ran a travel agency in Orlando called "Florida Sunny Summer Tours." He also ran a national car delivery service and a check cashing service. The check cashing service gave him ability to move large amounts of cash without arousing suspicion at banks, etc. The car delivery service gave them ability to move people around country with no records or cost. More when we have it. This is a major break... and a FReeper exclusive. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends @admin.listbox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] OmA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
Re: [CTRL] Coincidence? UK exercises in Middle East since Sept. 3
-Caveat Lector- Coincidence? Note the date of the article.Samantha http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1522000/1522987.stm Monday, 3 September, 2001, 15:42 GMT 16:42 UK Carrier heads for the Middle East Operation Saif Sareea 2 will cost nearly £100m The aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious has sailed from Portsmouth to lead the biggest Royal Navy and Royal Marine deployment since the Falklands. HMS Illustrious is the flagship of three groups of warships travelling to the Middle East to take part in exercise Saif Sareea 2. More than 24 surface ships from Britain, plus two nuclear submarines, will be completing the 13,000 mile round trip. The operation, costing nearly £100m, will end with a major excercise before Christmas that will also involve the Army, Royal Air Force and Armed Forces of Oman. The cost has been put at nearly £100m The strike force has been put together to take part in a conflict between the fictional forces of the so-called state of 'Alawham' and those of Oman. British military planners want to see if they can muster the kind of rapid reaction force outlined in the defence review which took place in 1998. Rear Admiral James Burnell-Nugent CBE, Commander of the UK Maritime Forces, is heading the group. He said: This is a significant display of maritime power, we are sending 8,500 sailors, airmen, and Royal Marines to the Gulf Region. In total the Argonaut task group consists of 40 separate commands, brought together into an integrated, self-sustaining joint fighting force. The deployment will include the helicopter carrier HMS Ocean, the assault ship HMS Fearless, destroyers, frigates and mine countermeasures vessels. Maritime power Royal Fleet Auxiliary support ships will also be taking part in the exercise. Royal Marines from 3 Commando Brigade will be involved in amphibious landings on the coast of Oman. Speaking to BBC Radio Solent, Rear Admiral Burnell-Nugent said: One of the advantages that a naval task group brings is that it carries all of its logistics with it, a full range of capabilities from cruise missiles to laser-guided bombs to Royal Marine Commandos. He said he was aware that his forces, which include 23,000 British military personnel from all three services, could be redeployed at any moment. I'm not aware of any plans to do so, but there's a capability there which the government can draw on, he said. More from Southampton Internet links: Royal Navy Minsitry of Defence The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites Top UK stories now: UK arrests over US terror attacks EU leaders back US retaliation UK airlines 'will continue flying' NI Assembly suspension criticised Biggs back in hospital Gang hunted over teen murder Stars in global charity telethon London shares claw back at close Links to more UK stories are at the foot of the page. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Russian Military Veterans Warn US - 'Don't Go Into Afghanistan'
-Caveat Lector- Russian Military Veterans Warn US - 'Don't Go Into Afghanistan' By Richard Balmforth 9-20-1 Despite the fact that the Soviet force had hundreds of thousands of men, powerful weaponry and held the main transport arteries, it had to deal with a well-prepared and well-trained enemy, said Gromov. And while U.S. society was sensitive to loss of life, human losses in Muslim Afghanistan were viewed differently. What Allah has given, so Allah takes, they believe. A person who is killed in battle for his motherland and faith passes straight to paradise, he said. MOSCOW (Reuters) - U.S. plans for military operations in Afghanistan have triggered an outpouring of advice from Russia's Afghan veterans who say a full-scale war there would be folly. With painful memories of Moscow's costly 10-year Afghan adventure still etched in their minds, they are issuing a single message to their old Cold War enemy: Don't do it. We lost 15,000 men in 10 years of war in Afghanistan -- I don't think the Americans could escape that either, said Boris Gromov, the Soviet general who led the retreat of Moscow's defeated forces from Afghanistan in 1989. They (the Americans) are getting ready to repeat our mistakes. It is just not possible to conquer or pacify Afghanistan by military means, General Makhmut Gareyev, a former military adviser to the late Afghan President Najibullah, wrote in a newspaper interview on Thursday. The historical irony has not been lost on the Russian military establishment as it now lectures the United States on the dangers of drawn-out involvement in Afghanistan. When the late Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev ordered a limited military contingent into Afghanistan in December 1979 it plunged East and West into a new Cold War crisis. The United States led the West in angrily condemning the Soviet intervention and called on the Kremlin to pull its forces out and leave the Afghan people to determine their own fate. As Soviet forces slipped into the quagmire of combat with Afghan mujahideen forces, turning it into Russia's Vietnam, the word from the West was: We told you so. By the time they left, besides the Soviet losses, an estimated one million Afghans had been killed and another eight million had been exiled or displaced. OLD SOLDIER'S ADVICE Gromov, the last Soviet soldier out of Afghanistan in February 1989, told Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper that mountain fighting against hardy and elusive guerrillas had proved a bitter experience. Despite the fact that the Soviet force had hundreds of thousands of men, powerful weaponry and held the main transport arteries, it had to deal with a well-prepared and well-trained enemy, said Gromov, now governor of the Moscow region. Intelligence of all kinds will play the most important role, especially in the form of intelligence agents. Don't worry about spending money on them, because there can't be success without them. Gareyev, writing in Obshaya Gazeta, said Afghanistan's lack of real infrastructure meant there was little of value to be destroyed by an air campaign. And while U.S. society was sensitive to loss of life, human losses in Muslim Afghanistan were viewed differently. What Allah has given, so Allah takes, they believe. A person who is killed in battle for his motherland and faith passes straight to paradise, he said. Communications and supply lines in the rugged, mountainous
[CTRL] Fwd: FAKE TERROR - THE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html FAKE TERROR - THE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP [...] The state-sponsored schools will never tell you this, but governments routinely rely on hoaxes to sell their agendas to an otherwise reluctant public. The Romans accepted the Emperors and the Germans accepted Hitler not because they wanted to, but because the carefully crafted illusions of threat appeared to leave no other choice. Our government too uses hoaxes to create the illusion that We The People have no choice but the direction the government wishes us to go in. In 1898, Joseph Pulitzer's New York World and William Randolph Hearst's New York Journal were arguing for American intervention in Cuba. Hearst is reported to have dispatched a photographer to Cuba to photograph the coming war with Spain. When the photographer asked just what war that might be, Hearst is reported to have replied, You take the photographs, and I will provide the war. Hearst was true to his word, as his newspaper published stories of great atrocities being committed against the Cuban people, most of which turned out to be complete fabrications. On the night of February 15, 1898, the USS Maine, lying in Havana harbor in a show of US resolve to protect her interests, exploded violently. Captain Sigsbee, the commander of the Maine, urged that no assumptions of enemy attack be made until there was a full investigation of the cause of the explosion. For this, Captain Sigsbee was excoriated in the press for refusing to see the obvious. The Atlantic Monthly declared flat out that to suppose the explosion to be anything other than a deliberate act by Spain was completely at defiance of the laws of probability. Under the slogan Remember the Maine, Americans went to war with Spain, eventually winning the Phillipines (and annexing Hawaii along the way). In 1975, an investigation led by Admiral Hyman Rickover examined the data recovered from a 1911 examination of the wreck and concluded that there had been no evidence of an external explosion. The most likely cause of the sinking was a coal dust explosion in a coal bunker imprudently located next to the ship's magazines. Captain Sigsbee's caution had been well founded. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt needed a war. He needed the fever of a major war to mask the symptoms of a still deathly ill economy struggling back from the Great Depression (and mutating towards Socialism at the same time). Roosevelt wanted a war with Germany to stop Hitler, but despite several provocations in the Atlantic, the American people, still struggling with that troublesome economy, were opposed to any wars. Roosevelt violated neutrality with lend lease, and even ordered the sinking of several German ships in the Atlantic, but HItler refused to be provoked. Roosevelt needed an enemy, and if America would not willingly attack that enemy, then one would have to be maneuvered into attacking America, much as Marcus Licinius Crassus has maneuvered Sparticus into attacking Rome. The way open to war was created when Japan signed the tripartite agreement with Italy and Germany, with all parties pledging mutual defense to each other. Whereas Hitler would never declare war on the United States no matter the provocation, the means to force Japan to do so were readily at hand. The first step was to place oil and steel embargoes on Japan, using Japan's wars on the Asian mainland as a reason. This forced Japan to consider seizing the oil and mineral rich regions in Indonesia. With the European powers militarily exhausted by the war in Europe, the United States was the only power in the Pacific able to stop Japan from invading the Dutch East Indies, and by moving the Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Roosevelt made a pre-emptive strike on that fleet the mandatory first step in any Japanese plan to extend it's empire into the southern resource area. Roosevelt boxed in Japan just as completely as Crassus had boxed in Sparticus. Japan needed oil. They had to invade Indonesia to get it, and to do that they first had to remove the threat of the American fleet at Pearl Harbor. There never really was any other course open to them. To enrage the American people as much as possible, Roosevelt needed the first overt attack by Japan to be as bloody as possible, appearing as a sneak attack much as the Japanese had done to the Russians. From that moment up until the attack on Pearl Harbor itself, Roosevelt and his associates made sure that the commanders in Hawaii, General Short and Admiral Kimmel, were kept in the dark as much as possible about the location of the Japanese fleet and it's intentions, then later scapegoated for the attack. (Congress recently exonerated both Short and Kimmel, posthumously restoring them to their former ranks). But as the Army board had concluded at the time, and subsequent de-classified documents confirmed, Washington DC knew the attack was coming, knew exactly where
[CTRL] Tarbabies
-Caveat Lector- From http://reason.com/hod/jw092101.html }}}Begin September 21, 2001 What Happens Next? Six options beyond war and peace By Jesse Walker When the military prepares for action, the public debate is usually a simple either/or: Will there be peace, or will there be war? Not so now. Fresh from the bloody assaults on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, there are at least six choices before us, each with its own subgenres and mutant variations. None is perfect, and one is actually insane. But each is worth examining, if only to understand what people actually mean when they call for war, peace, or some other path they can't quite articulate. Here, then, are our choices, beginning with the least violent and ending with the most: 1. The Gandhi Option Some favor no military response to the attacks at all. In its flaky form, this position involves wishing really hard, perhaps while holding someone's hand, that hatred and violence will disappear from the world. Not every pacifist is so naive, though, and there is a more sophisticated case for military inaction. This argument points out that terrorists do not come from nowhere. They respond to particular policies of the country under attack. If, as the evidence suggests, the assault was masterminded by Osama bin Laden or his allies, then it may well be easier to adjust our foreign policy than to hunt down every terrorist in the Middle East, especially since that hunt might inspire yet more Middle Easterners to turn to terrorism. Wouldn't it make more sense just to stop these clumsy interventions into other people's battles? Why make ourselves a target for every tin-pot maniac in the Third World? A variation on this argument notes that many of our present foes-- including Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein--were originally built up by the United States to fight the enemies of an earlier day. One can only wonder what our allies in a new war might do to us several years later. There are two problems with the Gandhi option. The first relates not so much to the position itself as to some of the people who have been advancing it. Obsessed with finding what we might have done to deserve this--as though anyone deserves to die this way--the hairshirt faction has conjured a list of sins far removed from anything that could have inspired the attacks. When the filmmaker Michael Moore speculated about the terrorists' motives, for example, his rambling ruminations touched on missile defense, America's withdrawal from the Durban conference on racism, and even our rejection of the Kyoto accords on global warming. Evidently, Moore believes that we are being attacked by European diplomats. In the real world, we are being attacked by a group that--judging from the fatwah issued by Osama bin Laden in 1998--objects to America's military presence in Saudi Arabia, to its sanctions against Iraq, and to its support for Israel. The point of reexamining U.S. foreign policy in the wake of the attacks is not to find everything about it that you might want to change, from Star Wars to Kyoto. It is to find the parts that might be putting us in danger, even if you've supported them until now. In the next few months, a lot of Israel's American supporters will be wrestling with a difficult choice: Israel's security, or their own? Many will choose the latter. The other problem with Gandhianism goes deeper. Watching the World Trade Center towers collapse last week, desperately aware that thousands of people were inside them, most Americans did not merely crave greater security. They wanted justice. If nothing is done to capture the people responsible for that atrocity, it will be hard to claim that justice has been done. 2. The Kojak Option And so we come to option two. A terrible crime has been committed. The immediate perps are now dead, but the conspirators behind them are alive and free. They may be plotting further, even worse assaults. We still aren't sure who they are or where they are, but we have some significant leads. So it's time for some expert policework, to track down and capture the people who did this. The advantage to this approach is that it meets the demand for a response while keeping that response targeted at the criminals. As such, it upholds justice in two ways: by meting it out to the murderers who killed 5,000 people in one day, and by refusing to replicate their crime by killing anyone unfortunate enough to live in the same country as the terrorists. There are two disadvantages. One of them I'll describe later, as it undermines the next two alternatives as well. The other is that, in tracking terrorists through the mountains of central Asia, it won't be easy to stick to all the legal niceties that policemen are supposed to observe. And if it comes down to letting the likely culprits escape or abandoning due process, most Americans will choose the latter. At the very least, they will say, let us consider response three: 3. The Bronson Option If we
[CTRL] Euroneous Zones
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Balkan forgers ready to cash in on euro
Special report: economic and monetary union
Rory Carroll in Belgrade
Saturday September 22, 2001
The Guardian
Criminal gangs in the Balkans have begun a huge operation to profit
from the introduction of the single currency by flooding the European
market with counterfeit euros, the authorities warned yesterday.
Some analysts believe that the criminals - currency forgers with vast
experience - could threaten the stability of the currency when about
14.5bn unfamiliar notes go into circulation in little more than three
months' time.
Police forces in the 12 European Union countries that are adopting
the euro have pooled intelligence and prepared joint strategies to
combat the forgers, but the Balkans gapes open as a zone of little
control. Forgers there know how to produce high-quality fakes and,
crucially, how to filter them into Europe's economy.
Despite efforts to keep the security features of the new notes
secret, Britain's national criminal intelligence service believes
that the counterfeiting has begun.
The EU and Europol do not want to hear stories such as that of a Serbian policeman,
Captain Ortic, who thought he had one of those welcome cases where the bad guys were
caught holding the evidence - in this instance, bags
of forged banknotes. There were witnesses to affirm their guilt and conviction seemed
assured.
The two men were not merely couriers; they were bosses of a Balkan smuggling racket
and had been targets for the authorities for about five months.
Capt Ortic - his real rank, not his real name - took a morning off to watch them being
sent down in a Belgrade court. The judge avoided his gaze when he delivered the
verdict: not guilty.
The judge blamed insufficient evidence and holes in the prosecution. The defendants
exchanged smiles, but did not appear surprised. They walked out of the courthouse to a
waiting car.
A rare victory over counterfeiters had turned to dust and Capt Ortic draws his own
conclusions: There is no point chasing these guys when they can bribe judges. From
now on I'll stick to bank robbers.
It is inevitable that the Balkan underworld will swap the US dollar for the euro as
its currency of choice, one British diplomat specialised in the field believes.
Its high denomination - a 500 euro note will be more than four times more valuable
than a $100 bill - and multi-national acceptance are powerful lures.
Europol admits that operational agreements with Balkan states will not be in place by
January, when the euros begin to circulate, but claims that cooperation with the
Balkan law enforcement agencies is intensive.
Capt Ortic disagrees. As the head of one of the Belgrade police force's
anti-counterfeiting units, he says he has had no contact with Europol and that his men
are wholly unprepared for the challenge.
Resources are scant and they have orders to concentrate on types of fraud which matter
more to their superiors, such as fake government documents. Frankly I have no
incentive to chase false euros, he says.The euro is de
emed the concern of Brussels, even though in Serbia it will act as a shadow currency
to the Yugoslav dinar. It will be the official currency in Croatia, Montenegro and
Bosnia-Herzegovina.
The two men freed by the judge had been carrying fake German marks, but Capt Ortic is
sure their network, which spans Albania and Bosnia, has begun printing euros.
In the decade since commu nism and Yugoslavia collapsed, gangsters have enjoyed a
free-for-all in parts of the Balkans, routinely smuggling weapons, drugs, cars,
cigarettes and people.
Joining that illicit trail, the British diplomat says, will be bags stuffed with euros
from presses sophisticated enough to fool most people.
The Russian mafia alone is believed to operate three printing shops
in Bulgaria, from where the notes follow the tobacco route, through
Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro and Greece.
The Montenegrin newspaper Dan says that the gangs have improved their
reproduction of the British pound and will soon circulate counterfeit
sterling as well.
All this adds up to busy times for Belgrade's biggest black market
currency dealer, an affable and reformed gambler known as the
doctor.
In the past two months he has been besieged with requests for dollars
and Swiss francs. Taking out a three-inch wad of marks from his
pocket, he says: That's just from the past three days.
From the big guys to the little guys, it's the same story -
everyone's hoping to make a killing from the euro.
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