[CTRL] The Protocols - a Neocon Manifesto
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles7/Jones_Protocols-Neocons.htm The Protocols - a Neocon Manifesto by Simon Jones Dissident Voice August 21, 2003 I have to confess. The outrageous in-your-face behavior of the neocons finally got to me as Armageddon approaches, after seeing more and more references to it (albeit usually wacky), I recently downloaded the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Guiltily, mind you, as if it were Mein Kampf or porno. I bet you havent dared (or bothered) to read it. So what is this best-selling political tract of the 20th century, the reading of which carried the death penalty in Stalinist Russia, lauded by the likes of Henry Ford and Winston Churchill, and then loudly condemned for the past 60 years since it was briefly declared an anti-Semitic forgery (in a Swiss court in 1935 overturned by the Appeals Court in 1937)? The bile aside, it is in fact a series of 24 mostly articulate, well-argued lectures outlining a plan for world capitalist domination, with sharp political and social analysis, lots of Machiavelli and a Marxian sophistication in its understanding of capitalism and historical processes. Briefly, it outlines a plan of world conquest by first establishing world government by consent. As with any brilliant political analysis, it has been denounced, dismissed, misinterpreted and banned. And made very good use of by those lusting for world power. What immediately struck me was that with a little dusting off, abridging and updating, it could easily be the handbook of the neocons. With the wonders of modern computers, you can download a free copy from the Internet, cleanse it of anti-Semitism by replacing "fellow Jews" with "neocons" and make sense of whats happening in the world today. Mysterious origins? Not really Though its origins are still unknown, it was clearly inspired by the French revolution and its aftermath, the then-popular Masonic order, and most of all the nascent 19th century Zionist movement. All that we know is that it was written in France and brought to Russia, supposedly in 1884. It first appeared in print in St Petersburg in 1903, but reached the West only after the Russian revolution. It caused an immediate sensation, originally crudely interpreted as foretelling the Bolshevik revolution as the crucial link in a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. As such, it was admired by the likes of Churchill and Ford, both confirmed anti-communists and anti-Semites. True, it has the prescience to allow for an anti-capitalist revolution on the way to its final goal, but theres nothing even vaguely socialist in it. Its firmly founded on a plan for capitalist domination through Jewish control of international finance and just happened to appear at the very moment of the founding of the Zionist movement, with its goal of establishing as soon as possible a Jewish state in Palestine, backed by powerful worldwide Ashkenazy Jewish economic interests. It's as if an especially ruthless and well-read 19th c Zionist, inspired by the Rothschilds and other great Jewish financiers of the time, wrote it or most of it, as I am sure is the case. Really, it reads as if it were written by the Jungian shadow of the likes of Zionism's founder, Theodore Herzl, or any of Israel's notables from Ben Gurion to Ariel Sharon. Its anti-goyim callousness certainly indicate it was not written for public consumption, and after Hitler, it was relegated to the Forbidden Shelf in ALL libraries along with Mein Kampf and naked bottoms. But it is very hard to believe that it is a spoof or a mere provocation, as it is just too impressive in detail and understanding of the logic of late 19th c capitalism. Did Hitler read it? I bet the Nazis read it carefully. They certainly followed much of its advice, from how to use the press, to how to manipulate both politicians and the masses in consolidating their political hold. It's also clear why destruction of the Jews became Hitler's tragic obsession. His New World Order (NWO) would have to exclude a group even remotely connected with such a scheme for world domination. As the neocons warn today: You are either with us or against us. Many paths - but they all lead to Rome The trouble with the Protocols is that it has been interpreted since it was published to suit the prejudices of the moment. In pre-revolutionary Russia, it provided fuel for the already widespread Russian anti-Semitism. In post-WWI Europe and America, it provided fuel against the Russian revolution. In the post-WWII world, it became the Bible of American isolationists and racists who see the poor UN as the dreaded World Government, backed by the Soviet Union and 3rd world revolutions. Now it is read by Muslims as proof of the conspiracy by US imperialism to destroy them. Another problem is that there have been many variations on the theme of the NWO ever since the collapse of the Roman Empire. The French revolution and Napoleonic conquests, the Masonic lodges, imperial
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order, faith, patriotism and dignity. The Catholic Church is the only institution which has stood, and which will always stand, in the way of antichrist. The Catholic Church is the great exemplar of methodical work, edifying and moral teachings; she always keeps her children self-respecting, and will never bow to satanic allurements. Only when Catholics become ashamed of professing the precepts of the Church and obeying its commands, shall we have the spread of revolt and false liberalism. The Catholic Church has been blackened by the most ignominiouscalumnies, her history has been stained, and her noblest activities disgraced. The Practices of the Catholic Church are not out of date or a mere waste of time. Freemasonry is allied with Satan against the Catholic Church. Not all priests are to be trusted; liberal Catholic priests only serve the work of the devil. The Reformation was the work of evil conspirators. Calvin and Luther were financed by them to overthrow the Catholic Church. Freedom and liberty are mere misrepresentations of good. Protestants have unwittingly helped to bring all the evils into our present world. Protestant England aims to destroy the Catholic Church. The Jesuits are not an underhand organization, but all they do is open and above board. The Jesuits are the only organization, however, who can defeat the force of evil in the world. Finally: As long as the Pope remains on his throne in Rome the world is safe! This is exactly what is taught by Catholic ideologues.From their schools, to every retreat and mission given to priests and lay people begins (however even 'spiritually' and benignly), with the schema of St. Ignatius'chimera of "The Two Camps" -- the Catholic Church led by God on one hill, and the combination of Protestants, Jews, Masons, Communists, Socialists and Atheists on the other led by Satan. Wellbut for time, one could give many other examples of pro-Vatican andJesuit inferences -- perhaps one of Zuukies "academics" could engage his or herself in a more astute study of thephraseology, but even mymeagre plebeian insightsfrom reading Jewish and otherwise literature, tell me thatthe style of the 'Protocols' is anything but Jewish much less the speech of a group of allegedly thuggishJewish Zionists. David. - Original Message ----- From: "iNFoWaRZ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [CTRL] The Protocols: Were the "Elders" really Jewish? -Caveat Lector- The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (were the "Elders" really Jewish?) http://agenturus.i8.com/warning.htm Why are most leaders in the Zionist Movement NOT Jews? --- -iNFoWaRZ A HREF="">www.ctrl.orghttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="">Archives'>http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="">ctrlhttp://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===
[CTRL] The Protocols: Were the Elders really Jewish?
-Caveat Lector- The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (were the Elders really Jewish?) http://agenturus.i8.com/warning.htm Why are most leaders in the Zionist Movement NOT Jews? --- -iNFoWaRZ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- don't know about hoax - where it talks about the body politic and its organisations having many labels that are unimportant because it can all be thought of as an organism. it displays knowledge of a general systems theory that is part of an illuminati secret school degree. andrew Doesn't matter, hoax or not most of what's in there has come to pass...and that's creepy enough. Ha! Bill. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
-Caveat Lector- http://www.igc.org/ddickerson/protocols.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Saba: Who are the True Zionists? There are Mormon Zionists, Protestant Zionists, Rastafarian Zionists etc. Can Chuck U Farley prove that he is the real McCoy? What is his pedigree? POC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Party of Citizens wrote: -Caveat Lector- Saba: Who are the True Zionists? There are Mormon Zionists, Protestant Zionists, Rastafarian Zionists etc. Can Chuck U Farley prove that he is the real McCoy? What is his pedigree? POC I don't need to prove anything. Can you prove that you're a DR.? And what the hell kind of doctor would you be? Chuck U. Farley A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.igc.org/ddickerson/protocols.html hah! this was proven to be a hoax in what..1923? inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ sure, we'll have fascism, but it will come disguised as americanism - huey long there ought to be limits to freedom - george w. bush if this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as i'm the dictator. - george w. bush freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it. - rudolph giulliani A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 26 Jan 02, at 18:03, inri wrote: hah! this was proven to be a hoax in what..1923? Not so much is it a hoax but an allegory for things that have gone on anyway. Thus, it is exposed as a blind to actual events. By expoising something as a hoax, one creates an atmosphere for totla dismissiveness when in fact there may kernels of truth yet to be discovered. AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 1/26/02 5:02:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hah! this was proven to be a hoax in what..1923? Doesn't matter, hoax or not most of what's in there has come to pass...and that's creepy enough. Ha! Bill.
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Does your momma suck eggs Ole? I posted it so many times so that for ONCE, it might sink into the paranoid style of mind that, by now any intelligent person ought to know that the Protocols are shear BUNK and SHAM, written most likely, in my personal opinion, by the Vatican and its Jesuit scholars typical of its millennial hate and propaganda against Jews. If half you nit-wits actually bothered to READ this forgery THROUGH - you would NOTE, that the HEROES of the PLOT are the Catholics and Jesuits!!! And amidst the pages of the Elders, these supposed dire-hard anti-Christ Elders tell us that they perceive the Vatican - who raped, pillaged, murdered, and persecuted their race all over the globe, as morally VIRTUOUS!!! Too laughable for any more words really! - Original Message - From: "Ole Gerstrøm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Dear NSA, This is the fourth or fifth time you send the same mail. Are you a mason? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion The Protocols of the Elders of Zion More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century, we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of "literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion" sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation. Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and anti-Masons. In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry. Sources of information In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols, its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp. 75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times (pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other authentic documents. Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work. Antecedents The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894 and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry (confusing it with the Illuminati of Bavaria) of being instrumental of the French Revolution (and also of being the heirs of the Templars). Although Barruel did not find historical data to allow him to extend his attack including the Jews (between the famous French revolutionaries there were no Jews), other later authors were not so punctilious, and did not have scruples in inventing what did not exist in reality. Numerous books published before and after the Protocols maintain that Judaism is at the origin of Free
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Dear anonymous NSA, You did not answer my question. Instead you go into foul language. And further, you do not even give your name. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Does your momma suck eggs Ole? I posted it so many times so that for ONCE, it might sink into the paranoid style of mind that, by now any intelligent person ought to know that the Protocols are shear BUNK and SHAM, written most likely, in my personal opinion, by the Vatican and its Jesuit scholars typical of its millennial hate and propaganda against Jews. If half you nit-wits actually bothered to READ this forgery THROUGH - you would NOTE, that the HEROES of the PLOT are the Catholics and Jesuits!!! And amidst the pages of the Elders, these supposed dire-hard anti-Christ Elders tell us that they perceive the Vatican - who raped, pillaged, murdered, and persecuted their race all over the globe, as morally VIRTUOUS!!! Too laughable for any more words really! - Original Message - From: "Ole Gerstrøm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Dear NSA, This is the fourth or fifth time you send the same mail. Are you a mason? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion The Protocols of the Elders of Zion More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century, we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of "literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion" sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation. Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and anti-Masons. In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry. Sources of information In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols, its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp. 75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times (pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other authentic documents. Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work. Antecedents The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894 and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry (confusing it with the Illuminati of Bava
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Dear Tenorlove, So, The Protocols are written by Rosicrusian. But then again I recall having read a claim by David Icke, that The Rosicrusians are a part of the Brotherhood and thus closely related to the Illuminati, if not just a branch of The Illuminati.This makes The Protocols a work of the Illuminati, and "the jewish connection," is simply a way to confuse the public. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some have argued, that it really is the plan of the Illuminati, Not Illuminati. Rosicrucian. They were based on a satirical attack on Napoleon III, called Dialog in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, by Maurice Joly. Joly was imprisoned for this tract. It was later picked up by people intent on discrediting the esoteric enclave which surrounded Tsar Nicholas II. When that didn't work, one Sergei Nilus re-wrote the piece into its current form. The original upon which the PLEZ was based was first published in 1884, thirteen years before the Zionist Congress in Basle from which the Protocols allegedly issued. And the original satire was written in French. The Basle conference did not include any French delegates. Why Rosicrucian? Joly was allegedly a Rosicrucian. He was also a close friend of Victor Hugo. Hugo exhibited Rosicrucian tendencies in his writings, and was allegedly a Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, a Rosicrucian-type secret society. Even AMORC, the modern Rosicrucian organization based in California, lists Hugo as a "Rosicrucian." Questions? Let me know, time to leave for work. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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th about the Protocols, a literary fraud. 17 A Spanish translation was published as a pamphlet in Buenos Aires in 1954. 18 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., pp. 157-166. 19 Bernstein, op. cit., p. 49. 20 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 148. 21 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 143. 22 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 144. 23 From "Ashkenaz," the name of Germany in medieval Hebrew. 24 Abbreviation of "Nationalsozialist." 25 Report by Alexander Zvielli and David Bar-Illan: "Calculated madness in a Turkish fantasy," The Jerusalem Post (Jerusalem), 24 July 1992. 26 Anti-Semitism World Wide 1995/6, University of Tel Aviv, Project of Anti-Semitism Studies, Tel Aviv, 1996. 27 Charles, op. cit., p. 34. 28 Charles, op. cit., p. 35. - Original Message - From: "Ole Gerstrøm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:29 PM Subject: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Dear Tenorlove, So, The Protocols are written by Rosicrusian. But then again I recall having read a claim by David Icke, that The Rosicrusians are a part of the Brotherhood and thus closely related to the Illuminati, if not just a branch of The Illuminati.This makes The Protocols a work of the Illuminati, and "the jewish connection," is simply a way to confuse the public. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some have argued, that it really is the plan of the Illuminati, Not Illuminati. Rosicrucian. They were based on a satirical attack on Napoleon III, called Dialog in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, by Maurice Joly. Joly was imprisoned for this tract. It was later picked up by people intent on discrediting the esoteric enclave which surrounded Tsar Nicholas II. When that didn't work, one Sergei Nilus re-wrote the piece into its current form. The original upon which the PLEZ was based was first published in 1884, thirteen years before the Zionist Congress in Basle from which the Protocols allegedly issued. And the original satire was written in French. The Basle conference did not include any French delegates. Why Rosicrucian? Joly was allegedly a Rosicrucian. He was also a close friend of Victor Hugo. Hugo exhibited Rosicrucian tendencies in his writings, and was allegedly a Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, a Rosicrucian-type secret society. Even AMORC, the modern Rosicrucian organization based in California, lists Hugo as a "Rosicrucian." Questions? Let me know, time to leave for work. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi'
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Dear NSA, This is the fourth or fifth time you send the same mail. Are you a mason? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion The Protocols of the Elders of Zion More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century, we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of "literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion" sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation. Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and anti-Masons. In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry. Sources of information In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols, its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp. 75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times (pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other authentic documents. Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work. Antecedents The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894 and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry (confusing it with the Illuminati of Bavaria) of being instrumental of the French Revolution (and also of being the heirs of the Templars). Although Barruel did not find historical data to allow him to extend his attack including the Jews (between the famous French revolutionaries there were no Jews), other later authors were not so punctilious, and did not have scruples in inventing what did not exist in reality. Numerous books published before and after the Protocols maintain that Judaism is at the origin of Freemasonry. We will mention Monsignor Leon Meurin, Archbishop of Port-Louis, Mauritius, who published in 1893 a book entitled "La Franc-Maçonnerie, Synagogue de Satan." The author says on page 260: "Everything in Freemasonry is fundamentally Jewish, exclusively Jewish, enthusiastically Jewish, from the beginning to the end."7 The historical truth, that can be found in any serious work on the history of Freemasonry, is that lodges were exclusively Christian in their origin, and only with the creation of the Grand Lodge of London (1717) began the process of de-Christianization, that culminated in 1813. At the time of the union of the two rival Grand Lodges of England, when the United Grand Lodge of England and Wales was created and rituals were again revised, eliminating from them the last remaining Christian symbolisms, the institution transformed into the universal vocation that we now know. It is worthwhile, as a side commentary, to remember that until today some Grand Lodges (especially in the Scandinavian coun
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Well NSAAYAM? Seems Masonry and Zionism does walk in same path - got to take another look at that dollar bill, or this one fiver I have with a certain date visible in foliage? Egyptians fed up with that pyramid stuff.someday they will discover what happened to the Titanic, and many pieces of great puzzle will fall together. So real question is, what is Zionism?Handfull of people with Napoleanic Dreams? Everthing is now ready for year 2001.unless fate intercedessaw a picture of a falling tower and it looked like the dome of the White House..more symbolism? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Dear Michael, What did Cohn write, what are his arguments? I would say, that the protocols appears to be plan, which have been followed very well. Some have argued, that it really is the plan of the Illuminati, and that they pretend it is a jewish plan, to deceive the public. What do you think of that? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion See Norman Cohn, "Warrent for Genocide, " for the definitive debunking of the Protocols. Was republished a few years ago. Michael Pugliese A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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--- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some have argued, that it really is the plan of the Illuminati, Not Illuminati. Rosicrucian. They were based on a satirical attack on Napoleon III, called Dialog in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, by Maurice Joly. Joly was imprisoned for this tract. It was later picked up by people intent on discrediting the esoteric enclave which surrounded Tsar Nicholas II. When that didn't work, one Sergei Nilus re-wrote the piece into its current form. The original upon which the PLEZ was based was first published in 1884, thirteen years before the Zionist Congress in Basle from which the Protocols allegedly issued. And the original satire was written in French. The Basle conference did not include any French delegates. Why Rosicrucian? Joly was allegedly a Rosicrucian. He was also a close friend of Victor Hugo. Hugo exhibited Rosicrucian tendencies in his writings, and was allegedly a Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, a Rosicrucian-type secret society. Even AMORC, the modern Rosicrucian organization based in California, lists Hugo as a "Rosicrucian." Questions? Let me know, time to leave for work. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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The Protocols of the Elders of Zion More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century, we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of "literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion" sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation. Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and anti-Masons. In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry. Sources of information In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols, its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp. 75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times (pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other authentic documents. Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work. Antecedents The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894 and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry (confusing it with the Illuminati of Bavaria) of being instrumental of the French Revolution (and also of being the heirs of the Templars). Although Barruel did not find historical data to allow him to extend his attack including the Jews (between the famous French revolutionaries there were no Jews), other later authors were not so punctilious, and did not have scruples in inventing what did not exist in reality. Numerous books published before and after the Protocols maintain that Judaism is at the origin of Freemasonry. We will mention Monsignor Leon Meurin, Archbishop of Port-Louis, Mauritius, who published in 1893 a book entitled "La Franc-Maçonnerie, Synagogue de Satan." The author says on page 260: "Everything in Freemasonry is fundamentally Jewish, exclusively Jewish, enthusiastically Jewish, from the beginning to the end."7 The historical truth, that can be found in any serious work on the history of Freemasonry, is that lodges were exclusively Christian in their origin, and only with the creation of the Grand Lodge of London (1717) began the process of de-Christianization, that culminated in 1813. At the time of the union of the two rival Grand Lodges of England, when the United Grand Lodge of England and Wales was created and rituals were again revised, eliminating from them the last remaining Christian symbolisms, the institution transformed into the universal vocation that we now know. It is worthwhile, as a side commentary, to remember that until today some Grand Lodges (especially in the Scandinavian countries that practice the Swedish Rite) do not allow to admit people who do not profess the Christian religion. Furthermore, even in those countries where Jews and members of other religions are welcome in Masonic lodges, other Masonic bodies are closed before them, exclusively reserved to Christian Masons. As examples (there are many others), I will mention the "high degrees" of the York rite, such as the Red Cross of Constantine, the Knights of Malta and the Knights Templar. Some
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
th about the Protocols, a literary fraud. 17 A Spanish translation was published as a pamphlet in Buenos Aires in 1954. 18 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., pp. 157-166. 19 Bernstein, op. cit., p. 49. 20 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 148. 21 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 143. 22 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 144. 23 From "Ashkenaz," the name of Germany in medieval Hebrew. 24 Abbreviation of "Nationalsozialist." 25 Report by Alexander Zvielli and David Bar-Illan: "Calculated madness in a Turkish fantasy," The Jerusalem Post (Jerusalem), 24 July 1992. 26 Anti-Semitism World Wide 1995/6, University of Tel Aviv, Project of Anti-Semitism Studies, Tel Aviv, 1996. 27 Charles, op. cit., p. 34. 28 Charles, op. cit., p. 35. - Original Message - From: "Ole Gerstrøm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Dear Michael, What did Cohn write, what are his arguments? I would say, that the protocols appears to be plan, which have been followed very well. Some have argued, that it really is the plan of the Illuminati, and that they pretend it is a jewish plan, to deceive the public. What do you think of that? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion See Norman Cohn, "Warrent for Genocide, " for the definitive debunking of the Protocols. Was republished a few years ago. Michael Pugliese A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
ruth about the Protocols, a literary fraud. 17 A Spanish translation was published as a pamphlet in Buenos Aires in 1954. 18 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., pp. 157-166. 19 Bernstein, op. cit., p. 49. 20 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 148. 21 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 143. 22 Ferrer Benimeli, op. cit., p. 144. 23 From "Ashkenaz," the name of Germany in medieval Hebrew. 24 Abbreviation of "Nationalsozialist." 25 Report by Alexander Zvielli and David Bar-Illan: "Calculated madness in a Turkish fantasy," The Jerusalem Post (Jerusalem), 24 July 1992. 26 Anti-Semitism World Wide 1995/6, University of Tel Aviv, Project of Anti-Semitism Studies, Tel Aviv, 1996. 27 Charles, op. cit., p. 34. 28 Charles, op. cit., p. 35. - Original Message - From: "Ole Gerstrøm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Dear Michael, What did Cohn write, what are his arguments? I would say, that the protocols appears to be plan, which have been followed very well. Some have argued, that it really is the plan of the Illuminati, and that they pretend it is a jewish plan, to deceive the public. What do you think of that? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion See Norman Cohn, "Warrent for Genocide, " for the definitive debunking of the Protocols. Was republished a few years ago. Michael Pugliese A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
See Norman Cohn, "Warrent for Genocide, " for the definitive debunking of the Protocols. Was republished a few years ago. Michael Pugliese A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Protocols author identified
-Caveat Lector- The Electronic Telegraph Friday 19 November 1999 THE author of the notorious anti-Semitic forgery, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, has been identified as a Russian propagandist who served both the Tsar and the Bolsheviks. The Protocols have proved an inspiration for generations of anti-Semites all over the world, despite having proved to be fake within a few decades of their appearance at the beginning of the century. They purport to reveal a secret Jewish-Masonic conspiracy to overthrow monarchy and Christian civilisation through the manipulation of wars, revolutions and capitalism, paving the way for world Jewish domination. Research by a leading Russian historian, Mikhail Lepekhine, in recently opened archives has found the forgery to be the work of Mathieu Golovinski, opportunistic scion of an aristocratic but rebellious family who drifted into a life of espionage and propaganda work. After working for the Tsarist secret service he later changed sides and joined the Bolsheviks. Mr Lepekhine's findings, published yesterday in the French magazine L'Express, would appear to clear up the last remaining mystery surrounding the Protocols. Though banned in Europe, copies are still to be found in Middle Eastern bookshops. Golovinski was born in 1865 in Ivachevka in the Simbirsk region. His father, a friend of Dostoyevsky who was condemned to death for his part in a plot then pardoned, died when he was 10 leaving him to be brought up by his mother and a French governess. His subsequent career evokes the world of assassination and intrigue described in Joseph Conrad's Under Western Eyes, as revolutionaries and reactionaries struggled for the soul of Russia. He briefly studied law before drifting into the Holy Brotherhood, an anti-Semitic secret society which used forgery as a tool against the revolutionaries, publishing phoney newspapers and tracts. His contacts there found him a job in the government press department where he acted as a Tsarist spin doctor, placing articles in compliant newspapers and paying the salaries of certain journalists. When his chief protector died and he was publicly denounced by Maxim Gorky as an informer he was forced to look for work abroad and chose Paris. There he made contact with the head of the Russian secret police, Pierre Ratchkovski, who put him to work writing pro-Russian stories to be planted in the French press. Later he was charged with a more important mission. Reactionary circles in Moscow, dismayed at the progress being made by modernisers in the court of Nicolas II, hit on the idea of a forgery that would demonstrate to the tsar that the rising tide of capitalism in Russia was really a Jewish conspiracy aimed at overthrowing him and the old order. At the end of 1900 or the beginning of 1901 Golovinski was set to work. He leant heavily on a pamphlet written in 1864 by an anti-Bonapartist lawyer who claimed Napoleon III was engaged in a plot to usurp all the powers of the French people. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/16/1999 12:19:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do omnipotent conspiracies exist that control information, politics, economics? Unknowable - if such conspiracies DO exist, all one THINKS one knows about them derives from data that they control; thus the conspiratorialist is their dupe, manipulated by all their leaks, their disinfo campaigns. Not so, since even "grand" conspiracies can't control all information all the time. It is possible to get unmodified information and form an opinion. It is true though that since much of what is disseminated is controlled as disinformation (or truth if it suits their purpose) it is difficult to KNOW if any given conspiracy is in fact "real". It is not unknowable, just difficult to uncover And even more difficult to control are the clearly observable results of these conspiracies. It's kind of like knowing that a distant planet has a moon by observing distortion in its orbit. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Protocols / Masonry - 1/3
-Caveat Lector- From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 Subject: [CTRL] [7a--7b] Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry an excerpt from: Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry by John Daniel (C)1994 Chapter 13 -- part 1 of 3 THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF SION --[7a]-- At first these "Protocols," printed in broadsheets by the millions, were used to stir up fear and hatred of Jews in Germany. They were then re-issued, somewhat revised, and directed at England to stir up hatred of the English. In Russia the "Protocols" were used to back up charges against the Jews for "ritual murders." Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry(1) The Jewish Holocaust of World War II fulfilled a prophecy made 150 years earlier by the Orthodox Rabbis in Germany, who warned the Frankist-Reform Jews that persecution would start at Berlin if they persisted in their amoral destruction of society. To help fulfill this prophecy, anti-Semitic Gentile Freemasonry engineered the exposure of the Jews through the fraudulent creation of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion. These Protocols, a compilation of twenty-four documents, developed the required anti-Semitism that ended in the death of six million Jews in the midst of World War II. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion were first said to have been the minutes of the first Zionist Congress at Basel, Switzerland, August 29-31, 1897. According to Robert John, author of Behind the Balfour Declaration, the 197 Jewish delegates were a mixture of the orthodoxy, nationalists, liberals, atheists, culturalists, anarchists, socialists and capitalists.(2) In three days these Jews are said to have discussed, debated, then agreed upon a detailed conspiracy for world dominion. The alleged outcome of that Congress was a document containing the minutes to twenty-four lengthy meetings detailing how the Jewish intrigue was to unfold. It defies imagination, how Jews of such mixed convictions, who find it difficult to agree on any issue within their own persuasion, completed twenty-four Protocols in just three days. Those who read the documents were apparently convinced that Zionist Jews were planning to take over all governments through a well-orchestrated plan of subversion, using the press, secular schools, and Gentile Masonry as a cover. The Jews allegedly were planning to enslave the world through this conspiracy. Their first insurrection was to take place in Russia, which in retrospect many believed to have climaxed in the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. So well had Gentile Freemasonry placed the Jews in the forefront of that insurrection that the West began hearing rumors of Jews taking over Russia. Appendix 2, Fig. 33 presents the caricatures of these allegations that were printed in newspapers throughout the world. History of the Protocols We have learned that Sion is the French spelling for the English Zion. The original Protocols were written in French, stolen from a Masonic lodge in Paris in 1884 (as we shall see), then taken to Russia where they were translated and first published in that language in 1903. After the first publication of the Protocols in Russia, they were banned in 1905 by the ill-fated Czar Nicholas II following an attempt to topple his government. In 1917, following the February Revolution, the new Kerensky government confiscated and burned the second edition before it reached the streets and immediately outlawed anti-Semitism.(3) On April 5, 1917, the Russian Jews won emancipation.(4) By October Kerensky's government had lost to the Bolsheviks, who, in the "Red Terror" that followed, appeared to fulfill the slaughter written of in the Protocols. After the Bolshevik Revolution, the Protocols made their way back to the West, where, from 1921 to 1935, the newspaper-reading-public of the world was made aware of their contents. Publishing the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion was a most malicious crime committed against the House of Israel. At the same time as the Protocols began to circulate throughout Europe, conspiracy researchers were attempting to connect the Bolsheviks with the Illuminati. In many ways the two movements were the same. We see this, for instance, in their colors. Weishaupt had selected the color red to represent his bloody revolution. Likewise, the Communists. Since then Communists have been nicknamed "Reds." Those who opposed the Reds formed their own republic called Belorussia, or White Russia, bordering on Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia. The Whites waged a short-lived counterrevolution against the Reds but lost in 1919 for lack of funds. When the Whites fled to the West, most settled in Germany. With them came copies of the Protocols. Soon these documents were in the hands of
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-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry by John Daniel (C)1994 Chapter 13 -- part 2 of 3 THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF SION Cremie -- Double Agent Intelligence gathering, spying, and the use of double agents are commonplace in this war between Scarlet and the Beast. If Great Britain had wanted to penetrate the French government in Cremieux's day, it would have done so through a French Rosicrucian Freemason. Who would be more likely than Cremieux? If he were to become involved in French politics, which he was, he would join the Grand Orient Lodge, to which most French politicians belonged. From there he could learn state secrets and pass them to London. English Freemasonry had need of spies in French politics for two specific reasons. First, the two movements of socialism and communism, which had developed in Grand Orient Freemasonry, were of grave concern to Great Britain's capitalists. Second, Emperor Napoleon III had cooperated with the Grand Orient Revolution in Italy by ousting the oligarchy's Austrian army. Spymaster Cremieux and British Freemasonry had something in common. Both hated Napoleon III. If Cremieux was assigned the task of deposing the Emperor, his success would be better realized if he could attain the top position within the Emperor's lodge. Shades of Mission Impossible, you say? Perhaps. Nonetheless, everything Cremieux accomplished was of benefit to English Freemasonry, as well as profit to the oligarchy of the Priory of Sion, which it protected. It is most likely that Freemason Cremieux was a master spy, a double agent, a Rosicrucian mole for British Intelligence in the French Templar Grand Orient administration of Napoleon III. Such a scenario certainly fits the Masonic modus operandi. Maurice Joly Gentile Maurice Joly, whose father was a staunch Italian Mason, was also a Mason. Joly was tied to the Alliance Israelite Universelle through his association with Freemason Cremieux and the Mizraim Masonic Lodge. He was also linked to the Priory of Sion through mutual membership In a Rose Croix order with Victor Hugo. This Masonic influence secured Joly a post in the Ministry of the Interior under Freemason M. Chevreau, just before the coup d'etat in 1851 by Louis Napoleon. Joly was not included in the new government, nor did he want to be. He had an inveterate hatred of the Bonapartes. Moreover, he disagreed with Grand Orient politics, which politics demanded a strongman to solidity its failing revolution of 1848.(45) For nine years following Napoleon's 1851 coup, Joly withdrew from politics and satisfied himself by returning to his law practice. Suddenly, in 1860, he began writing articles attacking the government and the Emperor. What, or who rekindled Joly's anger? The answer is Adolphe Cremieux, who also hated the Emperor. Cremieux's animosity grew from a rebuff he received from Louis Napoleon. At the time of Napoleon's coup, Cremieux was legal adviser to the Bonaparte family and an intimate of Louis Napoleon. When Louis became Emperor, he offended Cremieux by not appointing him to the most desired political post -- that of Chief Executive -- a position vital in dealing with Great Britain.(46) The Emperor's first mistake was his refusal to appoint his Masonic superior. Cremieux became his enemy. Napoleon's second error was his refusal to take orders from Grand Orient Masonry, which had placed him in power. After his 1851 coup and declaring himself as Emperor in 1852, he immediately began exerting authority, emulating his great uncle, Napoleon Bonaparte.(47) Now the entire Grand Orient was his enemy. Napoleon's third mistake was exiling Victor Hugo. We shall soon see that Hugo's exile was a consequence of his disagreements with Napoleon following the coup. The Priory of Sion soon became the Emperor's enemy. Napoleon's fourth and fatal mistake was military action against Austria's occupation army In Italy. Napoleon's military success in removing this arm of the British Masonic oligarchy from Italy allowed Mazzini's Grand Orient revolution to succeed. With English Freemasonry now his enemy, the Emperor did not have a prayer. Source of the Protocols It was unnecessary for British Freemasonry to Intrigue against Napoleon, for the Emperor had created enough hostility and enemies on his own. With an angry Cremleux encouraging the pen of an acrimonious Joly, the Grand Orient planned to depose the Emperor. Joly wrote Dialogues between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, which was a compilation of articles in which Joly depicted Napoleon III as Machiavelli. As Victor Hugo's poetry had done in the 1850s (discussed later in this chapter), so too Joly's articles turned public opinion against the Emperor in the 1860s. And as we learned earlier, the London Times (1920) reported that the Protocols of the Learned
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-Caveat Lector- http://members.tripod.com/~viewfromthewall/fwch5.htm --- FINAL WARNING: A HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER --- CHAPTER FIVE THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a 25,000 word document, which contains 24 Protocols by a member of a secret group of Jews, known as the Elders of Zion. It purported to be an outline for the control of the world by the Jews, with the help of the Masons. The document has been used to prove that the Illuminati is an exclusively Jewish plan for world domination, and has put the Jewish race in a bad light. In the course of my research, I have not found that to be true. I do not believe that there is a "Jewish" conspiracy. Even though the Illuminati's founders were Jewish, and many influential Jews were part of the inner circle, that is no reason to indict the entire Jewish race. The Bible identifies the Jews as God's chosen people, so it is highly unlikely that they are behind such a Satanic plot. I have even been told, that the people in Israel are not true Jews. One only has to look at the history of Israel, and see how they have been able to miraculously survive, to see that this is nothing but anti-semetic rhetoric. It is not race, which is the common denominator here; it is money and greed. For the most part, the conspiracy has been dominated by the Europeans, and perpetuated by the English-speaking countries of the world. No one is quite sure about this notorious document, and how it fits into the puzzle of the one-world government conspiracy. We know that its influence was taken advantage of, by the Illuminati, however, as to the actual origin and its purpose, we may never know for sure, because portions of it are highly accurate in its revelations. It is either true, or a clever forgery. If it is true, how much of it is true? If it is a forgery, it most certainly was based upon a factual document. Whatever the case, it is included in this book because it may contain some clues about the early stages of the Illuminati conspiracy, and the people behind it. French Jesuit, the Abbe' Barruel, who in 1797 wrote the five-volume Memoire pou servir a' l'histoire du Jacobinisme, received a copy of a letter in 1806, from J.B. Simonini, an army officer in Florence. In it, was a statement that the Jews "promised themselves that in less than a century, they would be the masters of the world." This letter had been widely circulated in France. It was later revealed that the letter had been fabricated by the French police to motivate Napoleon against the Jews. In 1848, Hermann Goedsche, a German postal official, forged letters indicating that Benedic Waldeck was conspiring to assassinate Frederick William IV, the King of Prussia. After it became known that they were forgeries, he was removed from his job, and he began writing under the pseudonym, Sir John Retcliffe. One of those novels, Biarritz, written in 1868, contained a chapter titled, "In the Jewish Cemetery in Prague", in which the heads of the twelve tribes of Israel met with Satan to tell him of their plans to control the world. However, the covert proceeding was witnessed by two men, who then dedicated their lives to fighting the Satanic Jewish plot. In 1872, Russian anti-semites printed the chapter in a pamphlet, as fiction based on fact. It was reprinted in 1876 and 1880. In July, 1881, the story was published in the French paper Le Contemporain as fact, and all of the speeches by each tribal head was consolidated into a single speech, supposedly made by a chief rabbi in a secret meeting of influential Jews. To substantiate the claim, it was said to have been taken from a forthcoming book by English diplomat, Sir John Readclif (a take-off on Goedsche's pen name), called Annals of the Political and Historic Events of the Last Ten Years. In 1891, the story appeared in the Russian newspaper Novorossiysky Telegraf, which established that the speech was made in 1869 by a rabbi to a secret Sanhedrin (possibly referring to the First Congress of Reformed Judaism, held in Leipzig). Its authenticity, again, was supported by the fictional Sir John Readclif. Later, in the October 21, 1920 issue of La Vielle France, the newspaper said there was a striking analogy between the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the discourse of Rabbi Reichhorn, pronounced in Prague in 1869, over the tomb of the Grand Rabbi Simeon-ben-Ihuda. Early in 1900, this fictional speech was used to instigate pogroms against the Jews, and became known as "The Rabbi's Speech". An anti-semite, P.A. Khrushevan, used the speech to provoke a pogrom at Kishinev, in the Ukraine, in 1903, in which 45 Jews were killed, and 400 injured, in an incident that
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WHAT JEWISH PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE NEW AGE:
'THE PLAN' AS PUBLISHED BY NEW AGE
It should be noted that this 'Plan' is universally emphasized among
New Agers as being of non-human origin; it is likewise presented
as a non-negotiable package -- all who witness the official
inauguration of the New Age must submit to 'The Plan' in its
entirety or be left out of the 'New World Order': "[The New Age
initiate] no longer identifies himself with form or even with soul,
but with the will of divinity and the eternal Plan and purpose.
It becomes his plan and purpose. He knows no other..." (Bailey,
'Esoteric Astrology', p.92). The specific stages of the Plan were
'transmitted' in detail through Alice Bailey (apparently from
'Djwhal Khul'), beginning in the 1930s, but were kept classified
until 1975, when Bailey (by then deceased) gave the NA leaders
instructions to go public. The 'hierarchy of masters' are said to
be the ones responsible for concocting and directing 'the Plan' as
their organized program to get mankind to the 'next evolutionary
level'. Since quality is vital for starting the next 'root-race',
only selected 'starseed' people are designated to make the 'quantum
leap' into the next level of 'human transformation' and they need
careful preparation by these spirits lest they 'burn out' in the
transition. The 'Plan' is quite lengthy, and proposes many global
changes, but a few speak specifically of the Jewish people:
snip
5a. The Plan's divide-and-conquer strategy: Until the mass
'initiation', those opposing the Plan are to be fought in two ways.
One is infiltration [see Missionizing section]. The other is
turning the various remaining orthodox monotheists one against
another. The single most notorious tool invented by NA
propagandists was 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion'.
Composed by unknown sources, the individual who claimed to have
"found" the 'Protocols' was Yuliana Glinka, a devoted Theosophist
and Blavatsky's personal companion, who "felt it her Christian
[sic!] duty" to release it in Russia (alternately called 'The
Secret of the Jews'). The book was translated into English by
Victor Marsden, a British racial supremacist who fled England to
join Hitler, and then circulated in the U.S. by occultist Henry
Ford. The latter was applauded for his "faith" by the Theosophical
Society ('The Theosophist', December 1938, p.239). Blavatsky
herself wrote at least one anti-semitic tract with content similar
to 'Protocols', published by the Theosophical Society in 1888.
[see The Occult Establishment, James Webb, 1976]. The effect of
'Protocols' on the history of Jewish-Christian and Jewish-Moslem
relations hardly needs comment -- from the NA point of view it
was and continues to be a stroke of genius [made more enjoyable,
no doubt, by the irony that they didn't have to invent a story --
their own racist conspiracy to dominate the world was simply put in
the mouths of the Jews; thus, whenever evidence of their own work
turns up, their main target for liquidation can catch hell for
it!]. To this day, most Jews are convinced that 'Protocols' was
a disgusting piece of Christian slander.
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-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Scarlet and the Beast - A History of the War Between English and French Freemasonry by John Daniel (C)1994 Chapter 13 -- part 3 of 3 THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF SION Protocols of Sion and the Priory of Sion The authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail suggest that the Priory of Sion, and not the Reform Jews, was connected to the Protocols of Sion in Russia. The authors build their case around Rosicrucian French Masons who had worked their way into the good graces of Czar Nicholas II. Here is their story: The role of Rasputin at the court of Nicholas and Alexandra of Russia is more or less generally known. It is not generally known, however, that there were influential, even powerful esoteric enclaves at the Russian court long before Rasputin. During the 1890s and 1900s one such enclave formed itself around an individual known as Monsieur Philippe and around his mentor, who made periodic visits to the imperial court at Petersburg. And Monsieur Philippe's mentor was none other than the man called Papus.(82) Papus (1865-1916), a Gentile, was the Masonic code name for Dr. Gerard Encausse, a 33rd degree Mason from Paris, who became the occult adviser of the ill-fated Czar Nicholas II.(83) Papus was Grand Master of both Memphis and Mizraim Freemasonries, the two Rosicrucian lodges that had merged in 1875. One of Papus's acquaintances was Claude Debussy (1862-1918), a famous composer who set a number of Victor Hugo's poems to music. Debussy was the next Grand Master of the Priory of Sion following Hugo's death in 1885, and reigned in that position until 1918.(84) Freemason A.E. Waite tells us that in 1894 Papus was also the Grand Master of the Martinist Masonic Supreme Council in Paris. Martinism admitted both male and female members on equal terms. This Order had a number of lodges throughout Europe and Russia. Chapters were also established in Great Britain, the United States, Argentina and Guatemala, as well as throughout the Orient.(85) Martinism was originally founded in 1754 by a Rosicrucian Spanish Jew named Martines de Pasqually, or Martinez Paschalis. The emblem for this branch of Freemasonry consists of six dots, which we have learned in a previous chapter is a subtle form of the Masonic six-pointed star. The six-pointed star is the same herald of the Priory of Sion, the Mizraim Masonic Lodge and Zionism.(86) Pasqually's Lodges were first organized at Marseilles, Toulouse, and Bordeaux, then in Paris. Before long Rosicrucian Martinist lodges spread all over France, with the center at Lyons. Martinism was thought to have been a Jewish secret society. It was operated, however in the same manner as was the Mizraim Lodge, in that Jews and Gentiles alike were members. Behind the scenes, however, was the Priory of Sion, distinguished by the Rose-Croix capstone in Martinist Lodges. Nesta Webster explains: "After the first three Craft degrees came the Cohen degrees of the same -- Apprentice Cohen, Fellow Craft Cohen, and Master Cohen -- then those of Grand Architect, Grand Elect of Zerubbabel of Knight of the East; but above these were concealed degrees leading up to the Rose-Croix, which formed the capstone of the ediflce."(87) Webster also claims that Martinist "disciples inherited from Pasqually a large number of Jewish manuscripts."(88) She leaves the reader with the impression that these manuscripts are none other than the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion -- in existence a full century before they were stolen from its sister Mizraim lodge in 1884.(89) If so, these documents may only have suggested Judaic origins because of the Davidic claims expressed within them by the Priory of Sion. A century later the stamp of "Priory of Sion" is even more evident on Martinism when a Freemason named Alphonse Louis Constant (1810-1875) joined the Martinist Order. Constant was a Gentile Mason who assumed the Jewish name -- Eliphas Levi. This is the same Eliphas Levi who assisted the Grand Master of Sion, Charles Nodier, in methodically sifting and cataloging thousands of Templar documents looted from the Vatican by Napoleon Bonaparte. Levi was also acquainted with Nodier's successor, Victor Hugo. After Levi joined the Martinist Masonic lodge, the lodge merged with both the Memphis and Mizraim Lodges. Levi apparently had access to the forgotten Protocol documents in the Mizraim Lodge a decade before they were discovered in 1884 Webster informs us that "[b]efore his death in 1875 Eliphas Levi announced that in 1879 a new political and religious 'universal Kingdom' would be established, and that it would be possessed by 'him who would have the keys of the East."(90) Three Protocols have significant relationship to this prophecy: Protocol 15: When the King of Israel sets upon his sacred head the crown offered him by Europe he will become patriarch of the
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-Caveat Lector- palimpsest Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do omnipotent conspiracies exist that control information, politics, economics? Unknowable - if such conspiracies DO exist, all one THINKS one knows about them derives from data that they control; thus the conspiratorialist is their dupe, manipulated by all their leaks, their disinfo campaigns. Not so, since even "grand" conspiracies can't control all infor- mation all the time. It is possible to get unmodified information and form an opinion. How can you be sure about that? How can you be sure that anything you think you know about a conspiracy hasn't been fabricated and leaked by the conspiracy? How do we know that you aren't and agent of The Conspiracy, working to lull us into believing that some of what is posted here is true/relevant? How do you know that I'm not an agent of The Conspiracy, working to discredit all investigators? That's my point - once one posits the existence of a sufficiently powerful conspiracy, NOTHING can be trusted, NO information can be accepted, NOBODY can be who they seem/claim. Paranoia Central, eh? It is true though that since much of what is disseminated is controlled as disinformation (or truth if it suits their purpose) it is difficult to KNOW if any given conspiracy is in fact "real". It is not unknowable, just difficult to uncover. A good disinfo campaign is like an onion, with many layers, each peeled away to reveal another, then another, ad infinitum, until a 'core' of truth is reached - but there's no core there, no truth, just air, skin after skin of onion-paper covering... nothing... so, what's to uncover? Is there any 'there' there? How can we tell? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION
-Caveat Lector- from: vhttp://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/Protocols.html A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/Protocols.html"Response 1/A - THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION The infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion, being, supposedly, evidence of a plot by Jews to take over the world, are repeatedly posted by anti-Semites as if they were true. However their authenticity has been disproven on numerous occasions. Despite this, some people are unwilling to accept the evidence. The following historiographies are worth reading in this regard. David S. Maddison [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARTICLE 1 This article was written by Prof. Saul Wallach of Bar-Ilan University. Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Keren) Subject: Re: Protocools of Zion Message-ID: Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science References: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 18:15:22 GMT The "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", the most notorious and most successful work of modern antisemitism, draws on popular antisemitic notions which have their roots in medieval Europe from the time of the Crusades. The libels that the Jews used blood of Christian children for the Feast of Passover, poisoned the wells and spread the plague were pretexts for the wholesale destruction of Jewish communities throughout Europe. Tales were circulated among the masses of secret rabbinical conferences whose aim was to subjugate and exterminate the Christians, and motifs like these are found in early antisemitic literature. The conceptual inspiration for the Protocols can be traced back to the time of the French Revolution at the end of the 18th century. At that time, a French Jesuit named Abbe Barruel, representing reactionary elements opposed to the revolution, published in 1797 a treatise blaming the Revolution on a secret conspiracy operating through the Order of Freemasons. Barruel's idea was nonsense, since the French nobility at the time was heavily Masonic, but he was influenced by a Scottish mathematician named Robison who was opposed to the Masons. In his treatise, Barruel did not himself blame the Jews, who were emancipated as a result of the Revolution. However, in 1806, Barruel circulated a forged letter, probably sent to him by members of the state police opposed to Napoleon Bonaparte's liberal policy toward the Jews, calling attention to the alleged part of the Jews in the conspiracy he had earlier attributed to the Masons. This myth of an international Jewish conspiracy reappeared later on in 19th century Europe in places such as Germany and Poland. The direct predecessor of the Protocols can be found in the pamphlet "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu", published by the non-Jewish French satirist Maurice Joly in 1864. In his "Dialogues", which make no mention of the Jews, Joly attacked the political ambitions of the emperor Napoleon III using the imagery of a diabolical plot in Hell. The "Dialogues" were caught by the French authorities soon after their publication and Joly was tried and sentenced to prison for his pamphlet. Joly's "Dialogues", while intended as a political satire, soon fell into the hands of a German antisemite named Hermann Goedsche writing under the name os Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche was a postal clerk and a spy for the Prussian secret police. He had been forced to leave the postal work due to his part in forging evidence in the prosecution against the Democratic leader Benedict Waldeck in 1849. Goedsche adapted Joly's "Dialogues" into a mythical tale of a Jewish conspiracy as part of a series of novels entitled "Biarritz", which appeared in 1868. In a chapter called "The Jewish Cemetery in Prague and the Council of Representatives of the Twelve Tribes of Israel", he spins the fantasy of a secret centennial rabbinical conference which meets at midnight and whose purpose is to review the past hundred years and to make plans for the next century. Goedsche's plagiary of Joly's "Dialogues" soon found its way to Russia. It was translated into Russian in 1872, and a consolidation of the "council of representatives" under the name "Rabbi's Speech" appeared in Russian in 1891. These works no doubt furnished the Russian secret police (Okhrana) with a means with which to strengthen the position of the weak Czar Nicholas II and discredit the reforms of the liberals who sympathized with the Jews. During the Dreyfus case of 1893-1895, agents of the Okhrana in Paris redacted the earlier works of Joly and Goedsche into a new edition which they called the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". The manuscript of the Protocols was brought to Russia in 1895 and was printed privately in 1897. The Protocols did not become public until 1905, when Russia's defeat in the Russo-Japanese War was followed by the Revolution in the same year, leading to the promulgation of a constitution and institution of the Duma. In the
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/15/99 1:29:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do omnipotent conspiracies exist that control information, politics, economics? Unknowable - if such conspiracies DO exist, all one THINKS one knows about them derives from data that they control; thus the conspiratorialist is their dupe, manipulated by all their leaks, their disinfo campaigns. Not so, since even "grand" conspiracies can't control all information all the time. It is possible to get unmodified information and form an opinion. It is true though that since much of what is disseminated is controlled as disinformation (or truth if it suits their purpose) it is difficult to KNOW if any given conspiracy is in fact "real". It is not unknowable, just difficult to uncover. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- -- From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols Date: Sat, Aug 14, 1999, 1:47 AM -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that the "Protocols" were based upon a book by a frenchman named Joley called "Dialogues in Hell between Monteqestue and Michaelvelli. I remember that it was published in Belgium around 1870s(?) and was an attack against then current French government. He was later supposedly kidnapped back to France and spent some time in jail. Maybe dying there. (The Russian secret police forged the later "Protocals" in an effort to boost one of their own). I think I read this in the "Spear of Destiny" by Ravencroft. It all boils down to: Which conspiracy would one rather attribute the Protocols to? Is there a vast Judaic plot that's accurately reflected by the Protocols? Or is the more prosaic Imperial Russian Secret Police responsible? Is the existence of the French/Belgian document sufficient evidence to destroy the Jewish-plot theory, or was it planted by the Illuminati to distract truth-seekers? Is ANY evidence of alleged plotters credible, or could it ALL be manufactured? Is 'evidence' relevant, or will one believe whatever the hell one desires? ... My info on the origin, as stated above, is not certain by any means. I haven't held the supposed original book in my hands and even if I had, it wouldn't have done me much good since I don't read French. However, Ravenscroft seemed to be fairly believable and his story made sense. If it were true, then it would indicate a creation earlier than the Jewish conference which was held in the 1890s. That would tend to indicate that its creation was independent of any Jewish involvement. My point is, if one assumes that a sufficiently powerful conspiracy exists, then intellectual honesty demands that ALL evidence either supporting or refuting the existence of said conspiracy, is suspect. If one believes that Illuminati / Bilderbergers / Zionists exert vast control over finance, politics, communications, then they also control the information upon which we base our conclusions about their existence - all that information COULD have been tampered with, it's not admissible as evidence, toss it out. For instance, try this scenario: operatives of The Conspiracy have followed an agenda crafted untold centuries ago. In the 1870s they had the Monteqestue document published; in the 1890's they staged the purported Zionist conference and published the Protocols, based on the Monteqestue document; neither document reflects accurately ANY of The Conspiracy's actual agenda, but they give outsiders some- thing on which to waste their time, efforts, resources. All disinfo. All manufactured. All just grist for the mills. If The Conspiracy controls information, it controls what anyone thinks they know. I don't buy it. I prefer parsimonious explanations. The Protocols are a forgery. Grand Conspiracies are too complex, too baroque, to be valid explanations of observed phenomena. You present an all encompassing conspiracy as the controller of all media and then treat this straw man as unbelievable and thus assert all conspiracy theories as too complex. This strawman conspiracy theory may be too complex, but that does not prove that others are not true. Also, the Joley book never apparently claimed to be a description of any plan known to Joley, just a theoratical construct. It may have been constructed from observations of actions of elites of the time or a projection similar to that of "1984" or "Brave New World". That Joley was said to later have been imprisoned would seem to indicate that he was not working for the "conspiracy". However, that his book might be used by some uncreative Russian secret police operative seems like a reasonable theory. It would surprize me that they would have been able to come up with a creative and complex document such as the Protocals on their own. Or at least it should be admitted that they would probably have used something as a model. One of the problems of these types is that they really are not that creative. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credee
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/14/99 3:56:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't buy it. I prefer parsimonious explanations. The Protocols are a forgery. Grand Conspiracies are too complex, too baroque, to be valid explanations of observed phenomena. You present an all encompassing conspiracy as the controller of all media and then treat this straw man as unbelievable and thus assert all conspiracy theories as too complex. This strawman conspiracy theory may be too complex, but that does not prove that others are not true. I agree with your assessment Howard. It is typical of anti-conspiracy skeptics to trot out ridiculous all encompassing conspiracies that have no basis in fact, then point out their invalidity and ridiculousness in an effort to "prove" that all conspiracies are invalid or ridiculous. The who UFO issue is another that falls in this category. I don't believe that Ric was trying to say that ALL conspiracies are invalid, but will let him speak for himself on the matter. I DO believe that there is a "grand" conspiracy of some type behind the scenes that has forged much of the history of this country. The current NWO is but a modern manifestation of it. The names may change but the faces and perpetrators remain the same. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- Yadda-yadda-yadda ... Third-hand now-discredited sources whose SPECULATIONS have somehow transmuted into "facts." Not a shred of genuine historical evidence exists to support most of this. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- Whether or not the Protocols are genuine or a forgery is irrelevant. The text exists and can be reviewed by anyone who so chooses. When reading the Protocols, I find the general message becomes more clear if the every appearance of the word Jew is substituted with Illuminati and the words Goyim and Gentile are substituted with the word cattle (cattle meaning the general population). ANY mention of ethnicity and/or race only serves as a vehicle for distraction and obfuscation (this is a bad thing). Dano Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yadda-yadda-yadda ... Third-hand now-discredited sources whose SPECULATIONS have somehow transmuted into "facts." Not a shred of genuine historical evidence exists to support most of this. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that the Protocols were written by the Merovingian Bloodline. They consider themselves gods. And they are not original Jews at all, being Khazars who converted to Judiasm in 740 A.D. They are barbarians - ruthless, cunning and greedy. They meant exactly what they said in the Protocols and still do today. The Khazarian Jews are at the heart of the Illuminati. Jean Staffen -- At 03:14 PM 8/13/99 -0400, Dano wrote: -Caveat Lector- Whether or not the Protocols are genuine or a forgery is irrelevant. The text exists and can be reviewed by anyone who so chooses. When reading the Protocols, I find the general message becomes more clear if the every appearance of the word Jew is substituted with Illuminati and the words Goyim and Gentile are substituted with the word cattle (cattle meaning the general population). ANY mention of ethnicity and/or race only serves as a vehicle for distraction and obfuscation (this is a bad thing). Dano Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yadda-yadda-yadda ... Third-hand now-discredited sources whose SPECULATIONS have somehow transmuted into "facts." Not a shred of genuine historical evidence exists to support most of this. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Jean Staffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that the Protocols were written by the Merovingian Bloodline. They consider themselves gods. And they are not original Jews at all, being Khazars who converted to Judiasm in 740 A.D. They are barbarians - ruthless, cunning and greedy. They meant exactly what they said in the Protocols and still do today. The Khazarian Jews are at the heart of the Illuminati. Ah, this is what the disinformation specialists of The Conspiracy WANT you to think. But the alleged Illuminati who run The Conspiracy are the very agents who've leaked the 'information' that fuels belief in the authenticity of the Protocols, and the supporting belief-system. It's obviously in their interest that you DO believe this, that you swallow it whole. Why? What do you gain by accepting this disinfo? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that the "Protocols" were based upon a book by a frenchman named Joley called "Dialogues in Hell between Monteqestue and Michaelvelli. I remember that it was published in Belgium around 1870s(?) and was an attack against then current French government. He was later supposedly kidnapped back to France and spent some time in jail. Maybe dying there. (The Russian secret police forged the later "Protocals" in an effort to boost one of their own). I think I read this in the "Spear of Destiny" by Ravencroft. It all boils down to: Which conspiracy would one rather attribute the Protocols to? Is there a vast Judaic plot that's accurately reflected by the Protocols? Or is the more prosaic Imperial Russian Secret Police responsible? Is the existence of the French/Belgian document sufficient evidence to destroy the Jewish-plot theory, or was it planted by the Illuminati to distract truth-seekers? Is ANY evidence of alleged plotters credible, or could it ALL be manufactured? Is 'evidence' relevant, or will one believe whatever the hell one desires? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- -- From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols Date: Fri, Aug 13, 1999, 7:01 PM -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that the "Protocols" were based upon a book by a frenchman named Joley called "Dialogues in Hell between Monteqestue and Michaelvelli. I remember that it was published in Belgium around 1870s(?) and was an attack against then current French government. He was later supposedly kidnapped back to France and spent some time in jail. Maybe dying there. (The Russian secret police forged the later "Protocals" in an effort to boost one of their own). I think I read this in the "Spear of Destiny" by Ravencroft. It all boils down to: Which conspiracy would one rather attribute the Protocols to? Is there a vast Judaic plot that's accurately reflected by the Protocols? Or is the more prosaic Imperial Russian Secret Police responsible? Is the existence of the French/Belgian document sufficient evidence to destroy the Jewish-plot theory, or was it planted by the Illuminati to distract truth-seekers? Is ANY evidence of alleged plotters credible, or could it ALL be manufactured? Is 'evidence' relevant, or will one believe whatever the hell one desires? Simply randomly choosing to believe one thing over another and to think that this is a rational way of choosing one's beliefs is not the manner I personally wish to operate. I prefer to weigh the evidence as best I can and deduce some reasonable model of reality in which I operate. Of course, I realize that I have made in the past inaccurate choices and do not have a fully accurate model of reality. However, I believe that my present model is more accurate than my past models and hope to continue to improve in just the same way as humanity in general has made some improvements. We no longer believe, for example, that the earth is flat. As for the "Protocols" specifically. My info on the origin, as stated above, is not certain by any means. I haven't held the supposed original book in my hands and even if I had, it wouldn't have done me much good since I don't read French. However, Ravenscroft seemed to be fairly believable and his story made sense. If it were true, then it would indicate a creation earlier than the Jewish conference which was held in the 1890s. That would tend to indicate that its creation was independent of any Jewish involvement. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Protocols, The Bible, David Icke....
-Caveat Lector- Previous Thread: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols My personal opinion is that a person would be without any understanding, if one was to completely take in the Protocols in their entirety, and then deny that the schemes listed therein have not clearly been manifested throughout the last century. With that fact not being able to be faithfully denied, it is fairly clear that we, being at least 100 years removed, will ever know exactly who wrote it. We would be derelict in our duty as revisionist historians, if we did not at least acknowledge that the plans within the Protocols are very, very, similar to other writings or known plans of the NWO crowd. In a message dated 8/13/99 4:15:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that the Protocols were written by the Merovingian Bloodline. They consider themselves gods. And they are not original Jews at all, being Khazars who converted to Judiasm in 740 A.D. They are barbarians - ruthless, cunning and greedy REVELATION CHAPTER 2 9)"...I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." REVELATION CHAPTER 3 9) "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Of course, this is rather strange, considering that the ruling elite, according to David Icke, are reptillians who wrote the Bible. We should certainly wonder why the very authors of the allegedly alien authored Bible, would alert us to their presence in passages like this of Revelation, let alone Genesis chapter six (6). Half the time Icke quotes the Bible to "prove" his theory, and the other half he turns around and calls it a bunch of hogwash. The Bible also says that a double minded man is unstable in all his ways (I PET 1:8). Icke and his latest book are more proof of what was declared by the apostle Peter millennia ago. In a world filled with darkness, the only light that a person might achieve from Icke's "biggest secret," is that from giving the 517 pages (of blatant cruelty to trees), the Fahrenheit 451 treatment. But then again, why waste a match. It might better serve, if each page is ripped out individually and used to line cat boxes around the world. :::considering the purchase of a cat-- to put Icke's book to use::: Tsadowq DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that the "Protocols" were based upon a book by a frenchman named Joley called "Dialogues in Hell between Monteqestue and Michaelvelli. I remember that it was published in Belgium around 1870s(?) and was an attack against then current French government. He was later supposedly kidnapped back to France and spent some time in jail. Maybe dying there. (The Russian secret police forged the later "Protocals" in an effort to boost one of their own). I think I read this in the "Spear of Destiny" by Ravencroft. It all boils down to: Which conspiracy would one rather attribute the Protocols to? Is there a vast Judaic plot that's accurately reflected by the Protocols? Or is the more prosaic Imperial Russian Secret Police responsible? Is the existence of the French/Belgian document sufficient evidence to destroy the Jewish-plot theory, or was it planted by the Illuminati to distract truth-seekers? Is ANY evidence of alleged plotters credible, or could it ALL be manufactured? Is 'evidence' relevant, or will one believe whatever the hell one desires? ... My info on the origin, as stated above, is not certain by any means. I haven't held the supposed original book in my hands and even if I had, it wouldn't have done me much good since I don't read French. However, Ravenscroft seemed to be fairly believable and his story made sense. If it were true, then it would indicate a creation earlier than the Jewish conference which was held in the 1890s. That would tend to indicate that its creation was independent of any Jewish involvement. My point is, if one assumes that a sufficiently powerful conspiracy exists, then intellectual honesty demands that ALL evidence either supporting or refuting the existence of said conspiracy, is suspect. If one believes that Illuminati / Bilderbergers / Zionists exert vast control over finance, politics, communications, then they also control the information upon which we base our conclusions about their existence - all that information COULD have been tampered with, it's not admissible as evidence, toss it out. For instance, try this scenario: operatives of The Conspiracy have followed an agenda crafted untold centuries ago. In the 1870s they had the Monteqestue document published; in the 1890's they staged the purported Zionist conference and published the Protocols, based on the Monteqestue document; neither document reflects accurately ANY of The Conspiracy's actual agenda, but they give outsiders some- thing on which to waste their time, efforts, resources. All disinfo. All manufactured. All just grist for the mills. If The Conspiracy controls information, it controls what anyone thinks they know. I don't buy it. I prefer parsimonious explanations. The Protocols are a forgery. Grand Conspiracies are too complex, too baroque, to be valid explanations of observed phenomena. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- Here's another version. Regards, Nicky Straykat wrote: I was recently sent a post concerning 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion', and that they are the blue print for a world conspiracy. Below is my response to the use of these forgeries to bring about anti Semitism. Straykat wrote: Dear Mary, The Protocols, of which I have 2 copies, are something I have been very familiar with for the last 12 years. I have also read the material that states these documents are fakes. As you stated in the message below these documents are not fakes but are a true "blue print" for the taking over of society and to usher in a global socialist state. I have done research into the background and origin of these documents, and they are a lot older than 100 years. In actual fact they date back to the time of the Crusades somewhere around the 12th Century. The documents as we have them today are not a copy of the originals but an altered variant, a counterfeit perpetrated by the intelligence community of Czarist Russia, under Nicholas II. Nicholas II, however was persuaded that they were a forgery and denounced them as a pollutant to the pure cause of anti Semetism. The Czarist intelligence agent most likely responsible for this forgery was, Poytr Rachkovsky. Rachkovsky specialised in forgery and agent provocateurs, and under took this task apparently to bring about a purge of Jewish citizenry in Russia. These documents then did not resurface until the rise of Nazism and were used by Hitler to further his anti Semitic cause. The documents themselves originated from the Latin/Frankish Kingdom of the Holy Land after the Crusaders won it back from the Islamic Saracens in 1099 AD. The first king, Godfroi de Bouillon, apparently was the direct descendant of the Merovingian Blood Line of France. The origins of this kingdom and the choosing of its first king were an unknown mystical order of monks which came from Calabria. This kingdom was named 'Outremer', and was founded by the monastic order called, The Priory of Sion. Their abbey which was supposedly built upon the the tomb of King David, was called, 'Prieure de Notre Dame du Mont de Sion', or in english, 'The Abbey of the Order of Mount Zion'. This order then spawned another monastic military order to protect this bloodline, called, 'The Order of the Temple', or commonly referred to as 'The Knights Templar'. Both of these orders are the ancestors of all modern day secret societies and their dogmas. The Knights Templar, although answerable only to the Pope through the intervention of Bernard of Clairveaux, along with the Priory of Sion, were a law unto themselves. Their religious philosophy was a mixture of Roman Christianity and Pagan Tradition, Judaic Kabbalism, Islamic mysticism, and Cathari mysticism. The so called plot for world domination was the blue print of the Priory of Sion, thus the documents to which you refer were written by the 'Elders of Sion'. They were a Gentile Monastic Order that incorporated Pharisaic, Judaic Kabbalism. So the theory behind the Protocols being a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world is incorrect. It is a Gentlie/Kabblistic conspiracy, and its political arm is Humanistic Socialism. The reason for this conspiracy dates back to the time of Jesus himself. It is believed by these Societies, that the wedding feast at Canna was that of Jesus to Mary of Magdalene. It is believed that Jesus was the True Priest King of Israel and not the 'Son of God', but the High Priest to the 'Sun God, Baal' or the Egyptian version, 'Amon Ra'. After the crucifixion, out of fear of the the Jewish rulers, which in fact were not Jews but Herodians, a believing Pharisee, Joseph of Arimethea, smuggled Mary and her child out of Judea and settled in France. It is believed that the bloodline of this child resulted in the Merovingian Kingdom of France. This kingdoms last true blood ruler was that of Dagobert II. After Dagobert their were half cast kings who were weak and eventually the monarchy was usurped by the Carolingians. However, it is believed that the blood line from Dagobert II went underground and his descendants were known as the Hermit Kings. After the failure of their uprising against Louis II in 881 AD, they were exiled to Brittany. The bloodline then fled to England in 914 AD, as a result of the Viking raids. Bera IV, descendant of Dagobert II, became an architect and his descendants practised the 'Art of Building' (Masonry). Hughes, son of Jean I, and great, great grandson to Bera IV, married Agnes, Countess of Jumiege. Hughes died in 1015 and Agnes remarried to Ernicule, the Count of Boulogne, consequently Hughes descendants (The Royal Bloodline) became the 'Counts of Boulogne'. Hughes great grandson was, Godfroi de Bouillon, Duke of Lower Lorraine, King of Jerusalem and founder of the
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols
-Caveat Lector- Interesting angle that the Protocols originate with the Merovingian Priory of Sion. I still find little to affirm that they are any older than Czarist Russia, but the point is well made that this is NOT an original copy of a Jewish document describing the way in which they will rule the world, NEITHER is it a forgery of any document that the Jews wrote, since no Jewish "original" ever existed. It MAY be a genuine document outlining the Priory of Sion's plans, the plans of WHITE Europeans, or an altered or "forged" version thereof, BUT it has no connection to the Jews, other than as a propaganda vehicle for anti-Jewish activity. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Protocols Scam
-Caveat Lector- from: http://expage.com/page/lightmiester A HREF="http://expage.com/page/lightmiester""The Protocols Scam"/A - "The Protocols Scam" "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" A Forgery Touted by Idiots There were so many ignorant people quoting from this forgery that I thought I would start a page as an easy reference to show that this book is a scam and a forgery. I hope this page will help put "The Protocols" to rest and also expose those who quote from the book as frauds. For good educational information on "The Protocols" try these sites: http://www.adl.org/special_reports/protocols/protocols_condemnation.html http://www.igc.apc.org/ddickerson/protocols.html http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?documents/protocols/protocols.zion http://www.haverford.edu/relg/mcguire/REL209b.html Joke Page Sign Guestbook Read Guestbook Sites That Easily Expose " The Protocols" As A Fraud" This page has been accessed 50 times. This page was last updated Mon Mar 15 18:55:03 1999 EDT = from: http://www.igc.apc.org/ddickerson/protocols.html A HREF="http://www.igc.apc.org/ddickerson/protocols.html"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion /A - The Protocols of the Elders of Zion Commentary on the Protocols -- by Dr. Daniel Keren: This commentary, by Dr. Danny Keren, provides an excellent, brief introduction to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The bibliography is a good resource for anyone wanting to learn more about the Protocols. (Dr. Keren's essay comes from the FTP archives of the Nizkor Project.) Russian Court Rules Protocols an Antisemitic Forgery: Also originating from the FTP archives, this Los Angeles Times article is about the 1993 Russian court ruling that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an antisemitic forgery -- "the first such verdict in the land where the fraud originated 90 years ago." Adolf Hitler and the Protocols: This Web page includes Hitler's comments about the Protocols in his book, Mein Kampf, as well as an excerpt from the testimony of Nazi leader Erich von dem Bach-Zelewsky, an anti-partisan chief on the Russian front, who admitted that there was no Jewish conspiracy, despite the Nazis' claims. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion: This link accesses an FTP site which contains an on-line text version (241k) of the Protocols, based upon V.E. Marsden's translation of Sergei Nilus's Russian edition. Marsden's translation was published originally by The Britons Publishing Society, London, in 1921, but was reissued under other titles. There is also a binary, compressed version -- Protocols_Zion.zip (89k) -- available at this site, which contains many other "hate rants," in addition to the Protocols. Last Updated: 28 January 1997 Return to the Antisemitism Web Page. Return to David Dickerson's Home Page. David Dickerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyright © 1995-1997 by David M. Dickerson. All rights reserved. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
