Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- Just wanted to write a short little message to you about your posts. I am glad to see that there are people out there who are trying to interpret "conspiracies", "science", "current events", etc, and applying it to/through the word of God and not to/through the mind of man. I have recently been saved and blessed by Christ and am seeking my own truths through the Word and not through my own intelligence (If, after all the things man has a tendency to do can be considered "intelligent"). It is hard to explain to someone who would much rather have knowledge than to believe in the book. I to sometimes find it difficult to rely on Gods word instead of my own experiences, but wasn't that the original reason for the fall of man. Eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and disobeying God; it is lucky for man that the father is who he is. Keep up the great work. And God bless. -Original Message- From: Eagle 1 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 1:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant -Caveat Lector- Sorry, Jamie, again, I disagree, and I know I am on the right track. I can see you haven't done your homework. Read Revelation 12:7 " . . . and the great Dragon, was cast out, that old Serpent called the Devil, Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." NOTICE all the names / titles of Satan... By the way... Lucifer was a cherub, not an angel. There is a difference. An angel is a messenger. A cherub is undefinable, but is known to have been one of the beings who sat to the sides of the mercy seat and were portrayed atop the ark of the covenant. See Exodus 25:19-20 Read Ezekiel 28:13 "... thou has been in Eden the Garden of God..." (Who besides Adam and Eve were in the Garden? Think about it). Read Ezekiel 28:16 "... therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (reference Isaiah 14:16); and I will destroy thee, O COVERING CHERUB, from the midst of the stones of fire." Sounds like you need to do a little Bible study yourself. You could start with doing a study i.e. learning the meanings of, of all the names / titles of Satan in the Bible. That in itself is quite an education. I am ever learning and willing to learn, but will not be changed because of man's opinions. eagle 1 "Make a daily effort to look upon others without condemnation. Every judgment takes you away from your goal of peace. Keep in mind that you do not define anyone with your judgment; you only define yourself ... as someone who needs to judge." . - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant -Caveat Lector- Whoa man! Satan and man? He's called Son of the morning, but never man, Lucifer is an Angel. If that's not something you grasp then how in the world could you be on the right track about this ark... Oh well... Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
9 7:59 PMSubject: RE: Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant Wyatt is dead, he made the discovery of the Ark in 1982. Since 1982 he hasn't become wealthy and he hasn't become powerful. He divulged the information of the Ark of the Covenant 2 days before his death...Obviously not seeking power nor wealth. In Revelation 11:19 "And there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament" reminds us that we are dealing witha covenant-making and convenant-keeping God. He is going to to keep the covenant He has made with Israel, and He will make a new covenant withthem at this time-that is, the law will be written in thier hearts instead ofon cold tablets of stone. (see Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-13) I believe this is in no way speaking of a physical Ark per say. The truth is out there... Jamie Hello Jamie, You're right... it is pointless to a degree, because no human will ever lay hold of the ark of the covenant, and live. Wyatt is chasing a pipe dream of power and wealth, and those who believe he's not... well, they're fooled by the disguise, and choose to remain so. On the other hand, the subject matter itself, is not pointless. The fact of the matter is that the real truth is out there. Some will have it in their hand all of their lives and never know they possess it. Some will realize it, and hold it sacred in that same right hand. Others will throw it away with both hands, never knowing the priceless value of what they consider pointless, but one day will realize the immense wealth they once possesed and trashed. The power of truth lies in the power of the hand, and one is marked with what they do or don't do with the knowledge and information they are priviledged to have been given. The truth is the only absolute, and no one, neither you nor me, nor anyone but God Himself has a corner on the absolute truth. However, one truth I can impart without question, humans tend to err, and so by your suggestion, I will agree to disagree with you regarding the subject of the ark of the covenant. eagle 1 http://www.angelfire.com/ok/fourwnds/ - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant -Caveat Lector- I think we'll just agree to disagree here... This is pointless. Jamie
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- Hi Nicky, Thanks for the info... (which I always find information like this fascinating... ) However, I find fault with the assumption that the ark of the covenant will ever be found on the earth as we know it. The Bible clearly states: "... And the Temple of God was opened *in heaven*, and there was seen in His Temple the ark of His testament . . . " Revelation 11:19 Check any good concordance, such as the Strong's, and you will find that the "ark of the covenant" is the exact same article as the "ark of the testament", which as stated in Revelation is located wherever heaven is, with God in His Temple, not down some 'crack' in the earth. It is therefore my opinion, that Mr. Wyatt's attempts to find the ark of the covenant are futile. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: Nicky Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 12:44 AM Subject: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant -Caveat Lector- Rest of this article. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/19990809_xex_new_claim_ov.sht ml According to Wyatt, he was able to physically locate the Ark of the Covenant, the container for the original tablets of the Ten Commandments, with the Mercy Seat intact on the top. It was found in a chamber just outside the walls of ancient Jerusalem about 20 feet below what Wyatt also claimed was the actual site of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Wyatt said he found an earthquake crack directly below where the cross would have been. It extends down through the rock to the resting place of the Mercy Seat atop the Ark of the Covenant, he told WorldNetDaily. The blood of Christ would have flowed through that crack after his death and after his side was pierced by a soldier's spear. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- Wrong. That's in Revelation, it will be taken to Heaven.. It's still here on earth... Jamie -Original Message- From: Eagle 1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- Sorry, I disagree. It's wherever God wants it to be. It's powers are beyond man's ability to be responsible. I will stick with the facts, and my opinion, that HE has it, and no human will ever have possession of it's power in the earth as we know it. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant -Caveat Lector- Wrong. That's in Revelation, it will be taken to Heaven.. It's still here on earth... Jamie -Original Message- From: Eagle 1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- Whoever said he had it? He doesn't have it, and simply because it's found doesn't mean MAN has control of it... Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- Whoa man! Satan and man? He's called Son of the morning, but never man, Lucifer is an Angel. If that's not something you grasp then how in the world could you be on the right track about this ark... Oh well... Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- Sorry, Jamie, again, I disagree, and I know I am on the right track. I can see you haven't done your homework. Read Revelation 12:7 " . . . and the great Dragon, was cast out, that old Serpent called the Devil, Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." NOTICE all the names / titles of Satan... By the way... Lucifer was a cherub, not an angel. There is a difference. An angel is a messenger. A cherub is undefinable, but is known to have been one of the beings who sat to the sides of the mercy seat and were portrayed atop the ark of the covenant. See Exodus 25:19-20 Read Ezekiel 28:13 "... thou has been in Eden the Garden of God..." (Who besides Adam and Eve were in the Garden? Think about it). Read Ezekiel 28:16 "... therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (reference Isaiah 14:16); and I will destroy thee, O COVERING CHERUB, from the midst of the stones of fire." Sounds like you need to do a little Bible study yourself. You could start with doing a study i.e. learning the meanings of, of all the names / titles of Satan in the Bible. That in itself is quite an education. I am ever learning and willing to learn, but will not be changed because of man's opinions. eagle 1 "Make a daily effort to look upon others without condemnation. Every judgment takes you away from your goal of peace. Keep in mind that you do not define anyone with your judgment; you only define yourself ... as someone who needs to judge." . - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant -Caveat Lector- Whoa man! Satan and man? He's called Son of the morning, but never man, Lucifer is an Angel. If that's not something you grasp then how in the world could you be on the right track about this ark... Oh well... Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- I think we'll just agree to disagree here... This is pointless. Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- Hello Jamie, You're right... it is pointless to a degree, because no human will ever lay hold of the ark of the covenant, and live. Wyatt is chasing a pipe dream of power and wealth, and those who believe he's not... well, they're fooled by the disguise, and choose to remain so. On the other hand, the subject matter itself, is not pointless. The fact of the matter is that the real truth is out there. Some will have it in their hand all of their lives and never know they possess it. Some will realize it, and hold it sacred in that same right hand. Others will throw it away with both hands, never knowing the priceless value of what they consider pointless, but one day will realize the immense wealth they once possesed and trashed. The power of truth lies in the power of the hand, and one is marked with what they do or don't do with the knowledge and information they are priviledged to have been given. The truth is the only absolute, and no one, neither you nor me, nor anyone but God Himself has a corner on the absolute truth. However, one truth I can impart without question, humans tend to err, and so by your suggestion, I will agree to disagree with you regarding the subject of the ark of the covenant. eagle 1 http://www.angelfire.com/ok/fourwnds/ - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant -Caveat Lector- I think we'll just agree to disagree here... This is pointless. Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/10/99 11:48:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wrong. That's in Revelation, it will be taken to Heaven.. It's still here on earth... Jamie Yeah, I'll vote that it is still here on earth, but more likely it does not even exist anymore as a complete relic. It disappeared from historical view a long time ago and there is NO evidence to elucidate where it went or what became of it. I find it much too "convenient" that the ark would be just outside the wall of Jerusalem, only under a relatively few feet of rock, and directly below where Jesus was crucified. Presumable so that his blood could pour on it and sanctify it no doubt. If this were true others would have found it before now. Certainly there are many who would use the Ark for their own purposes, good or bad. Mayhap they would all drop dead at the merest touch? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New claim over Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/10/99 11:54:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, I disagree. It's wherever God wants it to be. It's powers are beyond man's ability to be responsible. I will stick with the facts, and my opinion, that HE has it, and no human will ever have possession of it's power in the earth as we know it. eagle 1 Exactly what powers did the Ark supposedly have? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
