Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes let us move on to more pressing issues that have some bearing on Conspiracy theory I have to agree. I joined this list for conspiracy theory and it's discussions, although I can discuss Biblical issues coherently. However, I am in several other groups that discuss Biblical issues, and that seems to be the catagorization of and where it belongs. Discuss the issues the list is designed for. Getting off the subject for a thread or two is probably okay... but to drag something on and on is getting no where fast. And as TenebrousT also aptly stated to JAH - [EMAIL PROTECTED] : you attempt to show that YOUR interpretations and beliefs are superior to others. Incidentally you have made a mistake in your interpretation, as can be plainly seen. It seems that as subtle as it may be, JAH is also attempting to 'flame' and incite others to disagree with him. Seems he enjoys the 'argument' and somehow this feeds his ego and simply gives him another golden opportunity to get people to travel to his website. As I've previously reiterated, "No thanks!" I don't know about the rest of you, but I for one am tired of the issue about the ark of the covenant. Bottom line is that NO ONE will recover it in this earth age (aeon), according to the Bible... so why discuss it? I remain with my own research and beliefs, and that is the end of the subject as far as I'm concerned. Oh, and by the way, JAH, quit sending me private email. I simply don't have time for it. eagle 1 Welcoming the NWO... let's get it over with. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/18/99 3:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The following short quotation; from The Bible Book of Moses (the fifth Book in The Bible) called Deuteronomy; is NOT to proselytise, as I have been accused of trying to do, but merely to answer your question in which you challenged me to show you where God calls The Ark of The Covenant His WITNESS against His people. I quote your own words:- LOL A witness against His people? WHO and WHERE is it said that GOD NEEDS A WITNESS AGAINST HIS PEOPLE? LOL JAH, Really! Gimme a break. Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this Book of The Law, and put it in the side of The Ark of The Covenant of the "I AM" your God, that it may be there for a WITNESS against thee. I am really sorry to see this thread still running on this list. These are examples of proselytizing, in that you attempt to show that YOUR interpretations and beliefs are superior to others. Incidentally you have made a mistake in your interpretation, as can be plainly seen. The Ark is not the witness spoken of in this passage, but the Book of the Law is. Let us have no more back and forth on who has the upper hand in Hermeneutics. Beliefs AND interpretation of sacred texts are a matter of INDIVIDUAL belief and faith thus outside any area of our concern here. So I say again let this thread rest and let us move on to more pressing issues that have some bearing on Conspiracy theory, okay? ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- OT? Yes, OT, as in OLD TOPIC--VERY old topic, in fact. So PLEASE take the flame war off list--especially those writers who have not mastered "cut and paste"--so that the rest of us have room in our mailboxes for stuff like book chapters etc. Thanks for hearing me out. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I am going to REQUEST that this thread stop as it now has nothing to do with conspiracy theory and is no longer an issue that can be persued on this list. IF the participants wish to continue the back and forht back-biting and name calling then they can do it OFF-LIST. Incidentally this list is not the place to PROPAGANDIZE or propogate religious ideas to the detriment of others beliefs. Belief and faith is a matter of personal conviction. RELIGION and PROPAGANDA are topics of discussion ONLY in the sense of how they are used for the furtherance of conspiracy and it would do well for people to remember this fact when bringing up religious subject matter on this list. I do not wish to censor discussion but it is my duty as a moderator here to see that the list is not clutterred by proseletyzing and personal attacks so that issues of interest to all can be discussed. In a message dated 11/15/99 7:53:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OT? Yes, OT, as in OLD TOPIC--VERY old topic, in fact. So PLEASE take the flame war off list--especially those writers who have not mastered "cut and paste"--so that the rest of us have room in our mailboxes for stuff like book chapters etc. Thanks for hearing me out. Tenorlove ** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Eagle 1, Hello. I hope you are well and am very glad that you have found the dialogue amazing because I wouldn't like people to find it boring. I am also glad that you have quoted Ezekiel 34 because it is one of my favourite pieces and I have, in fact, explained it in great detail on my website. Perhaps you might like to take a look at it. Its URL address is:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/rabbis.htm From what you have said about the so-called christian priests giving Christianity a black eye, whom I also mention in the above explanation and about whom you and I are in total agreement, you should love the explanation. Please feel free to show it to your friends. Of course you are allowed to believe as you wish; everyone has their free-will. It is one of The Laws of this planet. What Revelation 11:9 states, and you have misquoted, is that The Ark of The Covenant will be (in the future) seen in the City called NEW Jerusalem that John saw COMING DOWN out of heaven (a UFO?)and of course it will be, when it comes down in the near future. After I have retrieved it from Tara, in fulfillment of Malachi 4. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/noah.htm As you have correctly stated: God is not stupid; for which I can personally vouch. But then you go on to say that He would not be so stupid as to leave The Ark on Earth. So, by so doing, you are actually telling God that you think He is stupid for doing so. And you think I'm trying to place myself above God? What then are you doing when you call Him stupid? The Ark HAS TO BE on Earth because it is God's Witness against His People. It cannot act as His Witness if it is not here to WITNESS what the people are doing. If you want to know why it is my job to recover The Ark then I suggest you go to my website at:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/ and then click on JAH on the homepage. I repeat that a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing and you too obvioulsy consider yourself to be another expert, like Penny does, who knows more about God than His servant does. You are right that it will not be recovered until the end of this age. This is the end of this age. Read:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/signs.htm and then you will KNOW that it is the "End Time". You say no hu-man is worthy to discover the things of God. Where did, or when did I say that I am a hu-man? Is it laughable? They laughed at Noah too and we all know what happened to them because of their arrogant unbelief. Calling God stupid as you have done is not verging on blasphemy; it is blasphemy. For your information; I never act and I NEVER play church because Jesus told everyone in Matthew 6:6 NOT to go to church. Ireland is neither in the desert nor in a secret place. Everyone knows where Ireland is or can look it up on a map. I am pleased to be able to agree with a lot of what you have said and would like you to calm down and stop breaking the Eleventh Commandment and look at my website for yourself, with, if possible, an open mind, because I feel sure that you will find it extremely enlightening and enjoy it, as long as you approach it with the right attitude. Perhaps then you might even like to help me to obtain a permit to dig from Sile de Valera, so I can recover The Ark and show it to you, so you can then apologise to God for calling Him stupid. Throughout the history of the ages, Satan has always used people who thought they understood the Scriptures to attack those who do, by getting them to misquote the Scriptures and shout down those who speak the Truth, so it will not be heard. It seems that nothing has changed; exactly as Jesus prophesied. Go away from me those who call me Lord (christians) but do not do the things I say; I know you not. Peace be upon you, JAH. - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- This dialogue in the messages attached is truly amazing... To Pennie and JAH and whomever else may be interested: Everyone is entitled to believe as they wish to... allow me to believe as I so choose. It is my own PERSONAL BELIEF that the ark of the covenant will *never* be found in this earth age, or on the face of this earth until God so chooses. In Revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened [for all to see] in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament [also known as the ark of the covenant] ..." He clearly states in this passage alone, that the ark is in heaven... where ever that is. One would assume by implication of the scriptures, by the name 'Emmanuel' or 'Immanuel' as stated in Matthew, Mark and Luke chapter 1, which means "Yah dwells with us", and with the conception of Christ, He is so dwelling and continues to do so. WHERE He is i
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I agree with you. But then I didn't start it in the first place. I'm not back-biting; haven't called anyone any name or insulted anyone. Just defending myself. Sorry. Peace be upon you, JAH. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- I am going to REQUEST that this thread stop as it now has nothing to do with conspiracy theory and is no longer an issue that can be persued on this list. IF the participants wish to continue the back and forht back-biting and name calling then they can do it OFF-LIST __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Sorry Tenorlove, I'm only defending myself and have attacked no-one. If they stop attacking me; I'll have no need to defend myself. Hope we're still friends. Peace be upon you, JAH. - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- OT? Yes, OT, as in OLD TOPIC--VERY old topic, in fact. So PLEASE take the flame war off list--especially those writers who have not mastered "cut and paste"--so that the rest of us have room in our mailboxes for stuff like book chapters etc. Thanks for hearing me out. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- JAH, ( excuse me for butting in here ... ) When you start defending / contending for the true Word of God, and not self, then I, for one, might start listening. " . . . it was needful for me to write to you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude v 3 Not contend for ''self" or selfish reasons. It says nothing about contending for "self", "me", "I's" or "my's". eagle 1 - Original Message - From: JAH Publications [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- Sorry Tenorlove, I'm only defending myself and have attacked no-one. If they stop attacking me; I'll have no need to defend myself. Hope we're still friends. Peace be upon you, JAH. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
n Personally, I do not care to be a partaker of your evil deeds. I shake the dust and go my way, as I suspect would be best for you to do, also. eagle 1 PS - Just for the record.. You do not have the right or the privilege, or my permission to use anything I've said in this email either public or private anywhere else on or off the internet. IF you so choose to do so, I will persue the legal aspect of internet law against you. eagle 1 JAH.- Original Message ----- From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) - Original Message ----- From: JAH Publications [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- Dear Eagle 1, Hello. I hope you are well and am very glad that you have found the dialogue amazing because I wouldn't like people to find it boring. I am also glad that you have quoted Ezekiel 34 because it is one of my favourite pieces and I have, in fact, explained it in great detail on my website. Perhaps you might like to take a look at it. Its URL address is:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/rabbis.htm From what you have said about the so-called christian priests giving Christianity a black eye, whom I also mention in the above explanation and about whom you and I are in total agreement, you should love the explanation. Please feel free to show it to your friends. Of course you are allowed to believe as you wish; everyone has their free-will. It is one of The Laws of this planet. What Revelation 11:9 states, and you have misquoted, is that The Ark of The Covenant will be (in the future) seen in the City called NEW Jerusalem that John saw COMING DOWN out of heaven (a UFO?)and of course it will be, when it comes down in the near future. After I have retrieved it from Tara, in fulfillment of Malachi 4. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/noah.htm As you have correctly stated: God is not stupid; for which I can personally vouch. But then you go on to say that He would not be so stupid as to leave The Ark on Earth. So, by so doing, you are actually telling God that you think He is stupid for doing so. And you think I'm trying to place myself above God? What then are you doing when you call Him stupid? The Ark HAS TO BE on Earth because it is God's Witness against His People. It cannot act as His Witness if it is not here to WITNESS what the people are doing. If you want to know why it is my job to recover The Ark then I suggest you go to my website at:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/ and then click on JAH on the homepage. I repeat that a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing and you too obvioulsy consider yourself to be another expert, like Penny does, who knows more about God than His servant does. You are right that it will not be recovered until the end of this age. This is the end of this age. Read:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/signs.htm and then you will KNOW that it is the "End Time". You say no hu-man is worthy to discover the things of God. Where did, or when did I say that I am a hu-man? Is it laughable? They laughed at Noah too and we all know what happened to them because of their arrogant unbelief. Calling God stupid as you have done is not verging on blasphemy; it is blasphemy. For your information; I never act and I NEVER play church because Jesus told everyone in Matthew 6:6 NOT to go to church. Ireland is neither in the desert nor in a secret place. Everyone knows where Ireland is or can look it up on a map. I am pleased to be able to agree with a lot of what you have said and would like you to calm down and stop breaking the Eleventh Commandment and look at my website for yourself, with, if possible, an open mind, because I feel sure that you will find it extremely enlightening and enjoy it, as long as you approach it with the right attitude. Perhaps then you might even like to help me to obtain a permit to dig from Sile de Valera, so I can recover The Ark and show it to you, so you can then apologise to God for calling Him stupid. Throughout the history of the ages, Satan has always used people who thought they understood the Scriptures to attack those who do, by getting them to misquote the Scriptures and shout down those who speak the Truth, so it will not be heard. It seems that nothing has changed; exactly as Jesus prophesied. Go away from me those who call me Lord (christians) but do not do the things I say; I know you not. Peace be upon you, JAH.- Original Message ----- From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)-Caveat Lector- This dial
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Nurev Ind Research wrote: MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Nurev Ind Research wrote: Sorry Mike, This guy IS nuts. He is a fake and a liar. This is not about intellectual discourse. This is about yet another religious charlatan. Then we should put an end to the likes of Benny Hinn, Bob Larson, et al...THOSE seem MUCH more harmful/deceitful than JAH...BY FAR! Hey, don't get me wrong...I hate greedy, lying, preditory bastards as much as the next guy, I ASSURE YOU. I mean, it seems to me that your over zealous offensive towards this guy is kinda revealing as to your own problems, insecurities, fears (conscious or sub..), etc. That's fair. Between he and I, who would you say has more serious problems? Me At least that's the way it seems to me, i.e., you're just a tad TOO zealous/defensivedoncha think? I mean, doesn't that strike you [or any one else] as odd? Same with Pennie...i.e., just chill out...don't let it get to you so much?? Sorry. Just can't do that. If he puts it on this list, it's in my face. Again, aim at the more lecherous, preposterous, TV personalities...hell, I'll help! AND, I never said I believed all that stuff...cuz I DON'T! I'm not saying that he's whacko lightly. He is mentally deranged and you are not helping him any by supporting his delusions. Where did you say you got your M.D. or PhD in Human Med or psych...where'd ya do your residency again...I must have missed that info?? You don't need to be a certified mechanic to know there's a problem when your car's engine is missing. This guy's engine is missing. No, but to actually certify another human being (your opinion is one thing) as insane, well, imo, that takes a touch of ussumptiveness, and gall EVEN FOR A PRO! And, there's a big difference between deranged and delusional...at least to me (i.e., without looking anything up). To me, one lends to being dangerous to self and/or others, the other does not necessary imply such, no? No. Not really. Again, man, imo, your seeming obsession with this guy is kinda text book affective disorder, if you really want to get down to it. Fair enough. What do you think will happen to this guy when January rolls around and everything he predicted doesn't happen? In my opinion? NOTHING. But you don't know that. No, but that's why I prefaced it with "In my opinion?" Hell, if dogs in NY state get one free bite, I would think Humans deserve no less, i.e., "innocent" AT LEAST till they do something harmful or illegal, no? Nothing, except that I bet he (and any one that at least listened to him and gave his message at least the time of day) will be more prepaired for any nasty contigencies than you:) Are you talking about Y2k or apocalypse? Well, your right there, i.e., I was not referring to The Apoalypse. But what can it hurt to advocate "preparedness?" In fact, I kinda go the "Norio Hayakawa" line of reasoning, i.e., that it's FAR FAR too late to stop "The Evilarchy," so at this late date, our only option MAY REALLY BE getting things right with what ever ones rendition of thier maker might be...AND, I personally say to those that ask "DO IT FAST:)" Besides, I have a feeling that ALL OF US...we'll ALL be kinda preoccupied with food lines, energy failures, transportation problems, martial law, etc., for a few months (several weeks AT LEAST!). That is a possibility. Millennial delusions are not. Well, EVERYTHING _IS_ possible, i.e., from a statistical or impirical standpoint (to say nothing of from a quantum mechanical perspective)...especially IF YOU LOOK AT A WIDE ENOUGH WINDOW. Hey, just cuz the sun has come up every morning for the last umpteen hundred million years here on Earth, that in NO WAY guarantees it will tomorrow, my friend. Do you think it will help his condition? I doubt it. What condition? He is a sick puppy. Hey, WHO AIN'T? Lot's of people aint. We ALL walk that fence, dude. Many a better person than you or I have fallen off to the insane side with little or no apparent outside warning...and MANY WILL in the times to come. THAT'S A FACT, JACK:( The idea is to increase that number. Not invent a ridiculous immaginary universe for the young and borderline psyches to slide into. I think it's in our nature to get "century /millennial fevor," let alone being somewhat odd, imo, if anyone in our day and age DOES NOT see that we are playing with things today that have not been messed with to our knowledge before, and that MANY (i.e., HUNDREDS) have the DEFINITE potential to F**K US RIGHT OUT OF THE UNIVERSAL PICTURE. And this says NOTHING as to those astronomical events that we now know are SO COMMON in the universe (i.e., we KNOW that events that have the potential to completely destroy humanity HAVE HAPPENED MANY TIMES in Earth's history, i.e., FOR SURE!) So,
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector-
Dear Ward,
Thank you very much for your loving and kind letter and good wishes. It is
very kind of you to take the trouble to write to me and express your
concerns for me.
Please do not worry about me because I am in no danger. What I have told you
is the Truth and not pride. When one speaks the truth with certainty it is
often mis-interpreted as pride, when in fact it is only the truth.
You sound like a very nice person and I hope that you will study the
information on my site and eventually come to realise that it is not from me
but from the source of all truth. I only wrote it down.
If I called it God's website rather than my website that would also be
mis-interpreted as pride, etc., so I just call it my website. People can
make up their own minds once they have studied the information. For those
who haven't visited it yet its URL address is:-
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/
I have not read Eagle1's letter yet, so I cannot comment on it. But thanks
again for your love.
Peace be upon you,
JAH.
- Original Message -
From: Ward Christman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 2:45 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member
(fwd)
-Caveat Lector-
Jah, I do not see that Pennie has claimed, as you do, to be an expert on
God. Frankly I am concerned for you Jah, both psychologically and
spiritually. It is obvious from your postings that you believe that you are
Elijah, thus the shortened form Jah. However, your actions here online give
away the fact that you couldn't be.
Elijah was a prophet who told people God's will, and did take action for
God, but do you truly believe that Elijah would behave as you have? While
being sure in his statements and actions on behalf of God's will, Elijah did
not try to "correct" people who are following the will of God as stated in
the bible by referring them to his own compositions. He also did not argue
with others about their standpoint on issues and give in to asserting petty,
playground attacks ("Pennie and Joshua sittin' in a tree"). He stated the
will of God and acted as he was led by God to be an example for others. He
did not give way to the weakness of the pride that is evident in everything
that you write.
Not only have we all heard that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, I
see it demonstrated on a daily basis. You would be suprised how many people
there are out there who are lucky enough to be given some insight into the
meaning of certain parts of the Bible. Unfortunately many of them allow
this to go to their head and assume that they have a greater understanding,
or perhaps even worse, a more meaningful relationship with God than anyone
else has.
These people often become so confused that they think that every thought
they have must be from God, and often stop listening to God altogether
without ever even realizing that they have. Some even become so confused as
to start believing that they are a returned prophet or even Jesus himself,
and will often think that they are charged with the responsibility to
perform a certain task which will bring about the time of judgement and
prepare the way for The Kingdom Of God. This is God's responsibility.
I do not think from Pennie's comment about UFOs that she was in any way
trying to say that God would have to ask her permission as to how to get
around the universe (although it does concern me how easily you come to that
conclusion as though you already think along those lines). I think that she
simply wanted to point out to you that God is capable of anything, and
anyone who believes that God just rides around in an alien spaceship is
illustrating how small God is in their understanding. Usually this is an
attempt to bring God down to a size that allows that person to feel as
though they are equal to or could even be greater than God since, after all,
anybody could ride around the universe in an alien spaceship.
As for your plans regarding the Arc of the Covenant, I think that Eagle 1
did a fair job explaining why most people (including myself) will not
believe that you have been sent on an archeological mission from God to
recover it. However, I do wish you the best in your mission and hope that
you have not chosen a goal that is unattainable, and therefore since it
cannot be started, cannot fail. Perhaps a member of the giant flock that
your website has attracted would be able to help. There must be several
hundred of your students in that area who could assist you in achieving your
goal.
My only hope is that on the day that you do achieve this goal and are able
to do your digging, if you do not find the Arc please take a moment and
think. Before you begin to justify the failure and start looking for a
different place to dig take a moment and reflect upon the thought patterns
that brought you to that point. Think very carefully about if that
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Pennie, Thank you for your nice compliment about my maturity. How would you know whether I have quoted the Scriptures out of context or not. You are doing it again. Claiming to be an expert on God, when it is quite obvious that you do not know what you are talking about. Have you not heard that: a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing. How would you know what God would and wouldn't do? You talk as though He would first need to consult you and ask you what He is allowed to do. Amazing really. The Ruler of The Universe has said quite clearly that The Ark and The Covenant containing His Laws is the one thing to save the world. Please read that Bible you boast about having and look at the last page of the Old Covenant/Testament, or click on JAH on my homepage, and read what it says in Malachi chapter 4 and you will see that it is not a sign, but a warning. I can assure you that He IS going to bring it out in His Own time, very soon; as soon as I get the permit to dig. I have not separated myself from God, as you wrongly state, because it is He who has sent me to recover it. Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to access The King of kings' Bible advert on my site, to be able to see that unlike you who only claims to read the whole Bible, I have compiled it with all the bits the governments conspired about and took out of it because they didn't want people to read them. If you really understood the Scriptures instead of just thinking that you do, then you would know that God had Jeremiah take The Ark away from the Jews in 588 B.C. and give it to the "Lost" Ten Tribed House of Israel, in exile. All of which is explained in detail on my website at:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/ If you access the Jeremiah's Tomb article and follow the links then you should be able to see that you are wrong and learn the truth. However, there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. So, I just hope that you can calm down; open your eyes and your mind and see and recognise the truth on my website. Thank you for your kind wishes of good luck, but in my experience there is no such thing as luck and I don't need to dig up all of Ireland; only a tiny area of grass measuring 2 metres by 2 metres, because I know exactly where it is. All I am waiting for is the permit to dig, so I won't be breaking Irish law. Thank you also for your friendly tip about not touching The Ark, but you see I have to touch it and open it in order to show The Tablets and Scrolls (The Torah) to the world as it says in Malachi 4. How else could the whole world be reminded to return to God's Laws, all at once, just before the Last Day? If you really want to prove me wrong then help me to get the permit to dig that I have asked everyone to help with and then I can touch it and if I'm wrong I will die. But I can assure you that I will be perfectly safe, because it is my job. I will not be the least bit offended if you don't kiss my bottom and anyone reading your messages and my messages will have no doubt in their mind as to which one of us is being neurotic. If you think I'm an idiot, then people can read what is on my site and make their own minds up about that too, and hopefully they will, as many have already and complimented me on it. I'm sorry that you don't like it. It is not meant to offend anyone, but unfortunately the truth often has that effect on some people. Peace be upon you, JAH. - Original Message - From: pennie hammons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) Wow, your maturity level is stunning. Your postings speak for themselves. Did you purposefully capitalize the word "messenger" because you think you are a divine entity? Please say it was a typo! You have quoted scripture out of context to prove any point you wish. I do not need a website to publicize every concept I might have about God, I have the Bible to refer to for the truth (the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts I like). Your pleas for a permit to dig up the ark are enough for me to see that you have separated yourself from the will of God to seek your own glory. God does not need a permit to recover the ark and He wouldn't use it's discovery to prove He is real. You act like it is the one thing to save the world; a great sign of the Truth. Jesus said a wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but none will be given it. First of all, the ark is exactly where God wants it to be and will bring it out in His own time, if ever. That is a material thing that merely represents Christ. Secondly, we know from the Bible that the ark is most assuredly in Israel, as any other country possessing it would be cursed until its return, so good luck digging up all of Ireland seeking your fame. Here's a tip from me to you: If you do find it, don't think for a minute you
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- This dialogue in the messages attached is truly amazing... To Pennie and JAH and whomever else may be interested: Everyone is entitled to believe as they wish to... allow me to believe as I so choose. It is my own personal belief that the ark of the covenant will *never* be found in this earth age, or on the face of this earth until God so chooses. In Revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened [for all to see] in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament [also known as the ark of the covenant] ..." He clearly states in this passage alone, that the ark is in heaven... where ever that is. One would assume by implication of the scriptures, by the name 'Emmanuel' or 'Immanuel' as stated in Matthew, Mark and Luke chapter 1, which means "Yah dwells with us", and with the conception of Christ, He is so dwelling and continues to do so. WHERE He is in each of our lives is private information between each individual and God Himself. (It is no one else's business, because no one will stand for you on judgment day, except you and Christ, the principle advocate. The slate will either be clean or filthy. There is no in between and there is no hiding the record of the book from the ultimate Judge). If *God left no artifacts*, including not leaving the body of Moses, nor the body of Christ after their deaths, what makes anyone think that God would be stupid enough to leave behind an article such as the 'ark of the covenant'? He is not stupid, and He didn't leave it! It won't be found, until EVERYONE, (that is A-L-L), see it in His temple as stated in Revelation 11:19. It simply makes no sense to think that God will prefer any one hu-man over another to discover this holy item or any other holy item on the face of the earth. Taking from scriptural knowledge, in Revelation, NO MAN WAS WORTHY TO OPEN THE BOOK. In the same respect, why would you think, JAH, that you alone are most worthy to find and possess the 'ark of the covenant'??? That is almost laughable... and verges on blasphemy. God knows men's hearts better than they do; they are greedy, selfish and unforgiving. God is not going to give to man what is HIS until the end of this age. God has given more than enough since the beginning. God is not happy with man and man's decisions to follow other gods and other doctrines than those He has set forth in His book - See Ezekiel chapter 34 for a run down on this. ANYONE who professes to know the truth of God, and so convey it by teaching or by example is considered a 'shepherd of the people' ... and according to God there are many out there that HE DID NOT SEND to the people. They are self annointed, self righteous hypocrits! That is exactly what Jesus called the Pharisees many times; and it wasn't because he couldn't find other words to describe them... He meant what he said, "hypocrits", who are nothing more than "play actors", those who love to "play church"; those who come in the name of God, but God did not send. THOSE are the ones that give true Christianity a black eye. And is it no wonder that so many in the world do not know or understand the foundations of Christianity; nor from what they've heard do they want to know. Personally, I don't blame them, when they know they've been lied to going in the gate. Properly interpreted, the scriptures in that same mentioned chapter of Matthew 24 clearly state in plain english, "... Then if any man shall say unto you, 'LO! here is Christ **[which includes the personnages, His temple, the furniture in the temple and all that belongs to God]**, BELIEVE IT NOT! For there shall arise false Christs [those making claims to all things concerning God] and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you [all things] before [in advance]. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, BEHOLD! HE [anything that pertains to the true God and His Savior] is in the desert, go not forth; BEHOLD HE is in the secret chambers [those making claims to esoteric knowledge]; believe it not! For as the lightening cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:23-27 It's simply saying that until the true Christ appears, and as long as you are in the flesh body, you are not going to possess, nor see the things of God. Pennie implicated false prophet, false information was being spread... I have to agree. Keep up the good work Pennie! Uncovering the sugar coated lies of satan, is what business of our Father's we are to be at. Thanks for this expose`. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: JAH Publications [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- Dea
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Eagle 1 wrote: This dialogue in the messages attached is truly amazing... Yes it is, so don't mind if I stir the pot a little... Everyone is entitled to believe as they wish to... And what of us who are, say, to cynical to know what to believe? It is my own personal belief that the ark of the covenant will never be found in this earth age, or on the face of this earth until God so chooses. Or until some produces a fake and passes it off as authentic. Remember, reality is whatever we are told it is. As for the God of the Bible (perhaps Old Testament only) what I believe is that it is none other than ET itself, playing God. God is not happy with man and man's decisions to follow other gods and other doctrines than those He has set forth in His book. Really...ET, with an attitude? All this as I glance across the room at my King James...which brings me back to where I started, faith or cynicism, choose one. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Eagle 1: You responded beautifully! -Pennie From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:51:09 -0600 -Caveat Lector- This dialogue in the messages attached is truly amazing... To Pennie and JAH and whomever else may be interested: Everyone is entitled to believe as they wish to... allow me to believe as I so choose. It is my own personal belief that the ark of the covenant will *never* be found in this earth age, or on the face of this earth until God so chooses. In Revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened [for all to see] in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament [also known as the ark of the covenant] ..." He clearly states in this passage alone, that the ark is in heaven... where ever that is. One would assume by implication of the scriptures, by the name 'Emmanuel' or 'Immanuel' as stated in Matthew, Mark and Luke chapter 1, which means "Yah dwells with us", and with the conception of Christ, He is so dwelling and continues to do so. WHERE He is in each of our lives is private information between each individual and God Himself. (It is no one else's business, because no one will stand for you on judgment day, except you and Christ, the principle advocate. The slate will either be clean or filthy. There is no in between and there is no hiding the record of the book from the ultimate Judge). If *God left no artifacts*, including not leaving the body of Moses, nor the body of Christ after their deaths, what makes anyone think that God would be stupid enough to leave behind an article such as the 'ark of the covenant'? He is not stupid, and He didn't leave it! It won't be found, until EVERYONE, (that is A-L-L), see it in His temple as stated in Revelation 11:19. It simply makes no sense to think that God will prefer any one hu-man over another to discover this holy item or any other holy item on the face of the earth. Taking from scriptural knowledge, in Revelation, NO MAN WAS WORTHY TO OPEN THE BOOK. In the same respect, why would you think, JAH, that you alone are most worthy to find and possess the 'ark of the covenant'??? That is almost laughable... and verges on blasphemy. God knows men's hearts better than they do; they are greedy, selfish and unforgiving. God is not going to give to man what is HIS until the end of this age. God has given more than enough since the beginning. God is not happy with man and man's decisions to follow other gods and other doctrines than those He has set forth in His book - See Ezekiel chapter 34 for a run down on this. ANYONE who professes to know the truth of God, and so convey it by teaching or by example is considered a 'shepherd of the people' ... and according to God there are many out there that HE DID NOT SEND to the people. They are self annointed, self righteous hypocrits! That is exactly what Jesus called the Pharisees many times; and it wasn't because he couldn't find other words to describe them... He meant what he said, "hypocrits", who are nothing more than "play actors", those who love to "play church"; those who come in the name of God, but God did not send. THOSE are the ones that give true Christianity a black eye. And is it no wonder that so many in the world do not know or understand the foundations of Christianity; nor from what they've heard do they want to know. Personally, I don't blame them, when they know they've been lied to going in the gate. Properly interpreted, the scriptures in that same mentioned chapter of Matthew 24 clearly state in plain english, "... Then if any man shall say unto you, 'LO! here is Christ **[which includes the personnages, His temple, the furniture in the temple and all that belongs to God]**, BELIEVE IT NOT! For there shall arise false Christs [those making claims to all things concerning God] and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you [all things] before [in advance]. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, BEHOLD! HE [anything that pertains to the true God and His Savior] is in the desert, go not forth; BEHOLD HE is in the secret chambers [those making claims to esoteric knowledge]; believe it not! For as the lightening cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:23-27 It's simply saying that until the true Christ appears, and as long as you are in the flesh body, you are not going to possess, nor see the things of God. Pennie implicated false prophet, false information was being spread... I have to agree. Keep up the good work Pennie! Uncovering the sugar coated lies of satan, is what business of our Fathe
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Jah So, you are saying that you are Elijah? Pennie From: " JAH Publications" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "pennie hammons" [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: "Conspiracy Theory Research List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:34:38 - Dear Pennie, Thank you for your nice compliment about my maturity. How would you know whether I have quoted the Scriptures out of context or not. You are doing it again. Claiming to be an expert on God, when it is quite obvious that you do not know what you are talking about. Have you not heard that: a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing. How would you know what God would and wouldn't do? You talk as though He would first need to consult you and ask you what He is allowed to do. Amazing really. The Ruler of The Universe has said quite clearly that The Ark and The Covenant containing His Laws is the one thing to save the world. Please read that Bible you boast about having and look at the last page of the Old Covenant/Testament, or click on JAH on my homepage, and read what it says in Malachi chapter 4 and you will see that it is not a sign, but a warning. I can assure you that He IS going to bring it out in His Own time, very soon; as soon as I get the permit to dig. I have not separated myself from God, as you wrongly state, because it is He who has sent me to recover it. Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to access The King of kings' Bible advert on my site, to be able to see that unlike you who only claims to read the whole Bible, I have compiled it with all the bits the governments conspired about and took out of it because they didn't want people to read them. If you really understood the Scriptures instead of just thinking that you do, then you would know that God had Jeremiah take The Ark away from the Jews in 588 B.C. and give it to the "Lost" Ten Tribed House of Israel, in exile. All of which is explained in detail on my website at:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/ If you access the Jeremiah's Tomb article and follow the links then you should be able to see that you are wrong and learn the truth. However, there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. So, I just hope that you can calm down; open your eyes and your mind and see and recognise the truth on my website. Thank you for your kind wishes of good luck, but in my experience there is no such thing as luck and I don't need to dig up all of Ireland; only a tiny area of grass measuring 2 metres by 2 metres, because I know exactly where it is. All I am waiting for is the permit to dig, so I won't be breaking Irish law. Thank you also for your friendly tip about not touching The Ark, but you see I have to touch it and open it in order to show The Tablets and Scrolls (The Torah) to the world as it says in Malachi 4. How else could the whole world be reminded to return to God's Laws, all at once, just before the Last Day? If you really want to prove me wrong then help me to get the permit to dig that I have asked everyone to help with and then I can touch it and if I'm wrong I will die. But I can assure you that I will be perfectly safe, because it is my job. I will not be the least bit offended if you don't kiss my bottom and anyone reading your messages and my messages will have no doubt in their mind as to which one of us is being neurotic. If you think I'm an idiot, then people can read what is on my site and make their own minds up about that too, and hopefully they will, as many have already and complimented me on it. I'm sorry that you don't like it. It is not meant to offend anyone, but unfortunately the truth often has that effect on some people. Peace be upon you, JAH. - Original Message - From: pennie hammons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) Wow, your maturity level is stunning. Your postings speak for themselves. Did you purposefully capitalize the word "messenger" because you think you are a divine entity? Please say it was a typo! You have quoted scripture out of context to prove any point you wish. I do not need a website to publicize every concept I might have about God, I have the Bible to refer to for the truth (the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts I like). Your pleas for a permit to dig up the ark are enough for me to see that you have separated yourself from the will of God to seek your own glory. God does not need a permit to recover the ark and He wouldn't use it's discovery to prove He is real. You act like it is the one thing to save the world; a great sign of the Truth. Jesus said a wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but none will be given it. First of all, the ark is exactly where God wants it to be and will bring it out in His own time, if ever. That
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, Nurev Ind Research wrote: Sorry Mike, This guy IS nuts. How do you know that? Besides, who's he harming? YOU? Just leave him alone, dude...no biggie...not really If you believe him, that's fine with me. It's your choice. But when he puts this stuff out in PUBLIC he opens his beliefs to scrutiny. Hey, scrutiny, common decency, intelectual discourse...hey, all that is one thing, but what you're doing is not only rude, but for SOME REASON you seem to be taking it all TOO personally?? I mean, it seems to me that your over zealous offensive towards this guy is kinda revealing as to your own problems, insecurities, fears (conscious or sub..), etc. At least that's the way it seems to me, i.e., you're just a tad TOO zealous/defensivedoncha think? I mean, doesn't that strike you [or any one else] as odd? Same with Pennie...i.e., just chill out...don't let it get to you so much?? AND, I never said I believed all that stuff...cuz I DON'T! I'm not saying that he's whacko lightly. He is mentally deranged and you are not helping him any by supporting his delusions. Where did you say you got your M.D. or PhD in Human Med or psych...where'd ya do your residency again...I must have missed that info?? And, there's a big difference between deranged and delusional...at least to me (i.e., without looking anything up). To me, one lends to being dangerous to self and/or others, the other does not necessary imply such, no? Again, man, imo, your seeming obsession with this guy is kinda text book affective disorder, if you really want to get down to it. What do you think will happen to this guy when January rolls around and everything he predicted doesn't happen? In my opinion? NOTHING. Nothing, except that I bet he (and any one that at least listened to him and gave his message at least the time of day) will be more prepaired for any nasty contigencies than you:) Besides, I have a feeling that ALL OF US...we'll ALL be kinda preoccupied with food lines, energy failures, transportation problems, martial law, etc., for a few months (several weeks AT LEAST!). Do you think it will help his condition? I doubt it. What condition? He is a sick puppy. Hey, WHO AIN'T? I'm crazy, you're crazy, he's crazy...SO WHAT? I personally think there are more important things to worry about in these final days before the new millenniun, namely basic COMMON SENSE precautionary preparation for AT LEAST SEVERAL potential contingencies/possible Y2K glitches. Hey, if you really want to pick on "crazy" people, go after any of the THOUSANDS/MILLIONS at large that HAVE violently harmed others! Become a bounty hunter or a super hero...be Bat Man, or how'bout "Net Man?" Or try a career in Criminal Justice. Get a degree in a related field and maybe apply for a job with the FBI, DIA, or CIA...LOLor maybe the psychiatric field:) Just do me a favor and pick on someone more deserving of your time and energies, i.e., THIS GUY MEANS WELL! Do you? J2 And, don't take it so seriously, K? Again, there ARE things that warrant such zeal, but THIS AIN'T ONE OF THEM. My best to you, J2, Mike BTW, I meant my reply to him to be private...and I'm sorry for that, i.e., sorry because my f%k up necessitated this post, i.e., more negative $h!t, when I think we all should be concentrating more on positive and/or pro-active type things for the next 50 days. P.S. Think about this: People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered; Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives; Be kind anyway. If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies; Succeed anyway. If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you; Be honest and frank anyway. What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight; Build anyway. If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous; Be happy anyway. The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow; Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough; Give the world the best you've got anyway. You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God; It was never between you and them anyway. --Mother Teresa = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid
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Jah, I do not see that Pennie has claimed, as you do, to be an expert on God. Frankly
I am concerned for you Jah, both psychologically and spiritually. It is obvious from
your postings that you believe that you are Elijah, thus the shortened form Jah.
However, your actions here online give away the fact that you couldn't be.
Elijah was a prophet who told people God's will, and did take action for God, but do
you truly believe that Elijah would behave as you have? While being sure in his
statements and actions on behalf of God's will, Elijah did not try to "correct" people
who are following the will of God as stated in the bible by referring them to his own
compositions. He also did not argue with others about their standpoint on issues and
give in to asserting petty, playground attacks ("Pennie and Joshua sittin' in a
tree"). He stated the will of God and acted as he was led by God to be an example for
others. He did not give way to the weakness of the pride that is evident in
everything that you write.
Not only have we all heard that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, I see it
demonstrated on a daily basis. You would be suprised how many people there are out
there who are lucky enough to be given some insight into the meaning of certain parts
of the Bible. Unfortunately many of them allow this to go to their head and assume
that they have a greater understanding, or perhaps even worse, a more meaningful
relationship with God than anyone else has.
These people often become so confused that they think that every thought they have
must be from God, and often stop listening to God altogether without ever even
realizing that they have. Some even become so confused as to start believing that
they are a returned prophet or even Jesus himself, and will often think that they are
charged with the responsibility to perform a certain task which will bring about the
time of judgement and prepare the way for The Kingdom Of God. This is God's
responsibility.
I do not think from Pennie's comment about UFOs that she was in any way trying to say
that God would have to ask her permission as to how to get around the universe
(although it does concern me how easily you come to that conclusion as though you
already think along those lines). I think that she simply wanted to point out to you
that God is capable of anything, and anyone who believes that God just rides around in
an alien spaceship is illustrating how small God is in their understanding. Usually
this is an attempt to bring God down to a size that allows that person to feel as
though they are equal to or could even be greater than God since, after all, anybody
could ride around the universe in an alien spaceship.
As for your plans regarding the Arc of the Covenant, I think that Eagle 1 did a fair
job explaining why most people (including myself) will not believe that you have been
sent on an archeological mission from God to recover it. However, I do wish you the
best in your mission and hope that you have not chosen a goal that is unattainable,
and therefore since it cannot be started, cannot fail. Perhaps a member of the giant
flock that your website has attracted would be able to help. There must be several
hundred of your students in that area who could assist you in achieving your goal.
My only hope is that on the day that you do achieve this goal and are able to do your
digging, if you do not find the Arc please take a moment and think. Before you begin
to justify the failure and start looking for a different place to dig take a moment
and reflect upon the thought patterns that brought you to that point. Think very
carefully about if that was truly the voice of God that you heard telling you all of
these things or if it was your own inner voice, and you have totally lost the
relationship with God that allowed you whatever insights you may have had at some
point.
Something to remember is that just because someone, or even several people, think that
you have something important to say, it is not always true. It also doesn't mean that
what you say comes from God. Also, just because throughout history the truth has
often offended people, that doesn't mean that what you say is the truth simply because
it is offensive. Lies have always been more offensive, and more destructive than the
truth.
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Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector-
Dear Michael,
Thank you for your kind and most welcome words about my website at:-
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/
If only one person in 6,000,000,000 appreciates and is helped by my site,
it will make all the time; effort and the few insults worthwhile. However I
have already had word from a lot more than one person who absolutely love
it, so things are really worthwhile.
Peace be upon you, my friend.
JAH.
P.S. Do you have an email address for Pat Robertson?
- Original Message -
From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector-
On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, JAH Publications wrote:
Dear Michael Spitzer,
If want to know about Jesus and Close Encounters you should access:-
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/noah.htm and
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/etvisit.htm and
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/closeenc.htm
Thank you:)
It's amazing what you can find on the net.
MAN, it sure is!
Peace be upon you,
JAH.
And you, my friend,
Mike
P.S. Don't let those chumps that have been rude towars your
message over the last 36 hours discourage you AT ALLi.e.,
TIME IS SHORT, and you just gotta stay with those spirits THAT
ARE ABLE TO _HEAR_ YOUR UNIQUE INSIGHTS, i.e., there ain't no way
time enough to waste even replying to ppl that CAN'T HEAR!!
- Original Message -
From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:10 AM
Subject: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector-
[Sounds like this "Angel Scroll" may be describing where
Jesus/Yashua just might/could have had a "Close Encounter of the
Nth Kind," huh? --MS]
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Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Pennie, Hello, I hope you are well. The following is in answer to your unprovoked outburst against me. You don't think that Joshua2 was actually telling the truth and was being serious about his wife leaving him do you? The lies he told in that part were obviously intended as a joke, although how anyone can think that telling lies is funny, tells us a lot about them and speaks for itself. So why in those circumstances would you think it was a bad statement to make? If his wife had really left him, I would agree with you. It was his comments that followed the lies about his wife that were the most offensive. I actually feel sorry for Joshua2 because he seems incapable of doing anything other than insult me just because he chooses to disagree with me. He has done it yet again in his most recent message.* Perhaps, if he has time, he will grow out of it. I, on the other hand, have insulted no-one. Joshua2 obviously does not agree with freedom-of-speech; except when he is doing the speaking of course. * "Dear JAH Dude, It is quite obvious that you are insane. I suggest a long rest and don't forget your medicine. I'll be here after New Year 2000 to greet you when you come back to planet Earth. Have a nice Millennium, Joshua2" Are you Joshua2's girlfriend? because you seem to think very much like him. Perhaps, if you aren't, you should get in touch with him. You'll probably get on well together. How would you know whether I have translated the Scriptures correctly or not, or whether God would use a space-ship or not, or what Christ would or wouldn't do, or that I am, as you call me, a false Prophet or not? That same phrase has been used against every Prophet who has ever warned people of coming events and how to survive them, which is all that I am doing. If you don't like the message then exercise your own free-will and reject and ignore it, like the people did with Noah. All I ask is some civility and that you don't insult the Messenger, perhaps naively, going on the past record on this planet. You obviously consider yourself to be an expert on these things. So where is your website so we can see it and make up our own minds, whether you know what you're talking about. Judge a tree by the fruit it bears. Joshua2's email address, just in case you are not his girlfriend, is:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] My website is there for the whole world to see, so that they can look at it and make up their own minds, for which they do not need your opinion. So why are you, like Joshua2, so forcefully giving it to everyone? They, like the two people below and many others who love my site, are capable of making up their own minds, without your help. For those who would like to make up their own minds, my website address is:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/ If only one person in 6,000,000,000 appreciates and is helped by my site, it will make all the time; effort and the few insults worthwhile. However I have already had word from a lot more than one person who absolutely love it, so things ARE really worthwhile. Peace be upon you, and your boyfriend Joshua2 JAH. - Original Message - From: pennie hammons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- "JAH" is a false prophet. Anyone who thinks God flies around in a UFO has belittled God. God created the universe and life. Does He really need a space craft to carry Him around? The concept is ridiculous. jah likes to hear himself talk, he has interpreted the scriptures accurately in some places, but doesn't have a full understanding of Christ. A truly loving being doesn't say "I can understand why your wife left you" when criticized. From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:37:33 -0300 -Caveat Lector- On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:14:29 -0700, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: P.S. Don't let those chumps that have been rude towars your message over the last 36 hours discourage you AT ALLi.e., TIME IS SHORT, and you just gotta stay with those spirits THAT ARE ABLE TO _HEAR_ YOUR UNIQUE INSIGHTS, i.e., there ain't no way time enough to waste even replying to ppl that CAN'T HEAR!! I agree, Mike! The site of our friend JAH is very interesting. __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by differe
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Wow, your maturity level is stunning. Your postings speak for themselves. Did you purposefully capitalize the word "messenger" because you think you are a divine entity? Please say it was a typo! You have quoted scripture out of context to prove any point you wish. I do not need a website to publicize every concept I might have about God, I have the Bible to refer to for the truth (the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts I like). Your pleas for a permit to dig up the ark are enough for me to see that you have separated yourself from the will of God to seek your own glory. God does not need a permit to recover the ark and He wouldn't use it's discovery to prove He is real. You act like it is the one thing to save the world; a great sign of the Truth. Jesus said a wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but none will be given it. First of all, the ark is exactly where God wants it to be and will bring it out in His own time, if ever. That is a material thing that merely represents Christ. Secondly, we know from the Bible that the ark is most assuredly in Israel, as any other country possessing it would be cursed until its return, so good luck digging up all of Ireland seeking your fame. Here's a tip from me to you: If you do find it, don't think for a minute you are righteous enough to touch it. As for my boyfriend and I...well, you are an idiot! If you insist on posting your neurotic website in answer to all the world's problems, don't get offended when we all don't bow down and kiss your a$$. Love, Pennie From: " JAH Publications" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: "Conspiracy Theory Research List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:17:25 - Dear Pennie, Hello, I hope you are well. The following is in answer to your unprovoked outburst against me. You don't think that Joshua2 was actually telling the truth and was being serious about his wife leaving him do you? The lies he told in that part were obviously intended as a joke, although how anyone can think that telling lies is funny, tells us a lot about them and speaks for itself. So why in those circumstances would you think it was a bad statement to make? If his wife had really left him, I would agree with you. It was his comments that followed the lies about his wife that were the most offensive. I actually feel sorry for Joshua2 because he seems incapable of doing anything other than insult me just because he chooses to disagree with me. He has done it yet again in his most recent message.* Perhaps, if he has time, he will grow out of it. I, on the other hand, have insulted no-one. Joshua2 obviously does not agree with freedom-of-speech; except when he is doing the speaking of course. * "Dear JAH Dude, It is quite obvious that you are insane. I suggest a long rest and don't forget your medicine. I'll be here after New Year 2000 to greet you when you come back to planet Earth. Have a nice Millennium, Joshua2" Are you Joshua2's girlfriend? because you seem to think very much like him. Perhaps, if you aren't, you should get in touch with him. You'll probably get on well together. How would you know whether I have translated the Scriptures correctly or not, or whether God would use a space-ship or not, or what Christ would or wouldn't do, or that I am, as you call me, a false Prophet or not? That same phrase has been used against every Prophet who has ever warned people of coming events and how to survive them, which is all that I am doing. If you don't like the message then exercise your own free-will and reject and ignore it, like the people did with Noah. All I ask is some civility and that you don't insult the Messenger, perhaps naively, going on the past record on this planet. You obviously consider yourself to be an expert on these things. So where is your website so we can see it and make up our own minds, whether you know what you're talking about. Judge a tree by the fruit it bears. Joshua2's email address, just in case you are not his girlfriend, is:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] My website is there for the whole world to see, so that they can look at it and make up their own minds, for which they do not need your opinion. So why are you, like Joshua2, so forcefully giving it to everyone? They, like the two people below and many others who love my site, are capable of making up their own minds, without your help. For those who would like to make up their own minds, my website address is:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/ If only one person in 6,000,000,000 appreciates and is helped by my site, it will make all the time; effort and the few insults worthwhile. However I have already had word from a lot more than one person who absolutely love it, so things ARE really worthwhile. Peace be upon you, and your boyfriend Joshua2 JAH. - Original Message - From: pen
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- JAH Publications wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear Pennie, Hello, I hope you are well. The following is in answer to your unprovoked outburst against me. You don't think that Joshua2 was actually telling the truth and was being serious about his wife leaving him do you? The lies he told in that part were obviously intended as a joke, although how anyone can think that telling lies is funny, tells us a lot about them and speaks for itself. Well I'm really glad to see that you can still recognize humor. FYI it's not a "lie" if you're not being deceived and there is no intent to deceive. It was a joke, and I think most people got it. So why in those circumstances would you think it was a bad statement to make? If his wife had really left him, I would agree with you. It was his comments that followed the lies about his wife that were the most offensive. I actually feel sorry for Joshua2 Thank you. Your compassion is life altering. because he seems incapable of doing anything other than insult me just because he chooses to disagree with me. No,no. Not because we disagree. Because you are crazy. Look up the definition and see if it applies to you. He has done it yet again in his most recent message.* Perhaps, if he has time, he will grow out of it. I, on the other hand, have insulted no-one. Joshua2 obviously does not agree with freedom-of-speech; except when he is doing the speaking of course. Am I in any way preventing you from speaking? Not a bit. The more you speak, the happier I am. * "Dear JAH Dude, It is quite obvious that you are insane. I suggest a long rest and don't forget your medicine. I'll be here after New Year 2000 to greet you when you come back to planet Earth. Have a nice Millennium, Joshua2" Are you Joshua2's girlfriend? because you seem to think very much like him. Perhaps, if you aren't, you should get in touch with him. You'll probably get on well together. How would you know whether I have translated the Scriptures correctly or not, or whether God would use a space-ship or not, or what Christ would or wouldn't do, or that I am, as you call me, a false Prophet or not? " Who do you say that I am?" You're no false prophet or any kind of enlightened character at all. You're just another psycho who gets off on playing with the minds of gullible people. That sucks buddy. That's lying. That same phrase has been used against every Prophet who has ever warned people of coming events and how to survive them, which is all that I am doing. Do you know what this is called? If you don't like the message then exercise your own free-will and reject and ignore it, like the people did with Noah. All I ask is some civility and that you don't insult the Messenger, perhaps naively, going on the past record on this planet. It's called Messianic delusion. You got it bad, and that aint good. You obviously consider yourself to be an expert on these things. So where is your website so we can see it and make up our own minds, whether you know what you're talking about. Judge a tree by the fruit it bears. Joshua2's email address, just in case you are not his girlfriend, is:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] My website is there for the whole world to see, so that they can look at it and make up their own minds, for which they do not need your opinion. So why are you, like Joshua2, so forcefully giving it to everyone? They, like the two people below and many others who love my site, are capable of making up their own minds, without your help. For those who would like to make up their own minds, my website address is:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/ If only one person in 6,000,000,000 appreciates and is helped by my site, it will make all the time; effort and the few insults worthwhile. However I have already had word from a lot more than one person who absolutely love it, so things ARE really worthwhile. Peace be upon you, and your boyfriend Joshua2 JAH. C'mon. You know that she and I are not coming from the same place at all. Pennie is coming from a religious point of view and is criticizing you for being an apostate. I just don't want to give you the kind of attention you so pathetically crave. It only makes you sicker and I'm DEEPLY concerned for your mental well being. ;} But you know what? I'm open-minded enough to wait and see Mr. Prophet. What's six weeks between friends? Joshua2 - Original Message - From: pennie hammons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- "JAH" is a false prophet. Anyone who thinks God flies around in a UFO has belittled God. God created the universe and life. Does He really need a space craft to carry Him around? The concept is ridiculous. jah likes to hear himself talk, he has inter
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, JAH Publications wrote: Dear Michael Spitzer, If want to know about Jesus and Close Encounters you should access:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/noah.htm and http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/etvisit.htm and http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/closeenc.htm Thank you:) It's amazing what you can find on the net. MAN, it sure is! Peace be upon you, JAH. And you, my friend, Mike P.S. Don't let those chumps that have been rude towars your message over the last 36 hours discourage you AT ALLi.e., TIME IS SHORT, and you just gotta stay with those spirits THAT ARE ABLE TO _HEAR_ YOUR UNIQUE INSIGHTS, i.e., there ain't no way time enough to waste even replying to ppl that CAN'T HEAR!! - Original Message - From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:10 AM Subject: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- [Sounds like this "Angel Scroll" may be describing where Jesus/Yashua just might/could have had a "Close Encounter of the Nth Kind," huh? --MS] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:14:29 -0700, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: P.S. Don't let those chumps that have been rude towars your message over the last 36 hours discourage you AT ALLi.e., TIME IS SHORT, and you just gotta stay with those spirits THAT ARE ABLE TO _HEAR_ YOUR UNIQUE INSIGHTS, i.e., there ain't no way time enough to waste even replying to ppl that CAN'T HEAR!! I agree, Mike! The site of our friend JAH is very interesting. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- "JAH" is a false prophet. Anyone who thinks God flies around in a UFO has belittled God. God created the universe and life. Does He really need a space craft to carry Him around? The concept is ridiculous. jah likes to hear himself talk, he has interpreted the scriptures accurately in some places, but doesn't have a full understanding of Christ. A truly loving being doesn't say "I can understand why your wife left you" when criticized. From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:37:33 -0300 -Caveat Lector- On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:14:29 -0700, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: P.S. Don't let those chumps that have been rude towars your message over the last 36 hours discourage you AT ALLi.e., TIME IS SHORT, and you just gotta stay with those spirits THAT ARE ABLE TO _HEAR_ YOUR UNIQUE INSIGHTS, i.e., there ain't no way time enough to waste even replying to ppl that CAN'T HEAR!! I agree, Mike! The site of our friend JAH is very interesting. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Michael Spitzer, If want to know about Jesus and Close Encounters you should access:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/noah.htm and http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/etvisit.htm and http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/closeenc.htm It's amazing what you can find on the net. Peace be upon you, JAH. - Original Message - From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:10 AM Subject: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) -Caveat Lector- [Sounds like this "Angel Scroll" may be describing where Jesus/Yashua just might/could have had a "Close Encounter of the Nth Kind," huh? --MS] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-11-08 06:10:13 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Sounds like this "Angel Scroll" may be describing where Jesus/Yashua just might/could have had a "Close Encounter of the Nth Kind," huh? --MS] In the New Testament, the disciples of Jesus in their Epistles quote from the Book of Enoch, which was included among the texts studied by the "Essenes" in the Library of Qumran. (One such text preserved alongside the Dead Sea Scrolls is "The Genesis Apocryphon," a fragment wherein Noah's father discusses with his forefather Enoch the uncertain parentage of the "luminous-faced" Ark-builder. Enoch is asked, Was Noah's mother seduced by one of the 'Nefilim' ?) With the "Essene" emphasis on Enoch, and on Kabbalistic root-concepts like Ezekiel's vision of the flying Chariot-Throne of YHWH, it's not surprising that Jesus himself referred --in the SECOND person, never "I"-- to the "Son of Man," a character which Biblical scholars often identify as ENOCH, prototype of the Ascended Master, a godlike man-among-gods, "translated to heaven" like Elijah ... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Am I mistaken here, or were we all asked to let this threat evaporate?? "Why can't we all just get along:) --My Main Man...Rodney King:) On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, pennie hammons wrote: -Caveat Lector- Jah wrote: By the way, free-will, is, for your information, one of God's Laws and there are no other laws on this planet that are Lawful. ***So, if man-made laws are evil and God sent you to recover the Ark, then I would say that you are sinning by obeying the laws of man and NOT the word of God. Surely you don't need a permit to dig since that is part of man's law..? Jah: Perhaps I joined the wrong list? Does anyone know of a real anti-conspiracy list? If so please tell me how to contact it. ***I think you did join the wrong list. The one you want is Sons Of Liberty at Onelist.com. I'm sure that you will fit right in there. Jah:P.S. Your words are in brown. Is there a subconscious message in your choice of colour for your own words? Did God guide your choice for you? *** Jah, your words are in black, h. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
anyone know of a real anti-conspiracy list? If so please tell me how to contact it. A wise saying is:- "It is better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool; than to open it and remove all doubt." Love to you all and Peace be upon you, JAH. P.S. Your words are in brown. Is there a subconscious message in your choice of colour for your own words? Did God guide your choice for you? - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) Due to the length of your letter and the required answers... I will respond to you with a different color in between what you wrote in the below written letter... with what I feel is something to respond to. - Original Message - From: JAH Publications [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 9:27 AM Subject: Re: OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd) Dear Eagle 1, Hello. I hope you are well and am very glad that you have found the dialogue amazing because I wouldn't like people to find it boring. Amazing in the fact that you are so egotistical in your responses to people in the CTRL group and other mail that you have thrown up in front of everyone everywhere you go, and that you try to come off as some rocket scientist of religion. I am also glad that you have quoted Ezekiel 34 because it is one of my favourite pieces and I have, in fact, explained it in great detail on my website. OH, I've been to your website... and I've also noticed all the "my's" and "I's" you use there and in your correspondence. A bit narcisistic in presentation! Perhaps you might like to take a look at it. Its URL address is:- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/rabbis.htm From what you have said about the so-called christian priests See, there ya go... taking what I've said out of context. I said the 'SHEPHERDS'. How you got Priests out of Shepherds? I have no clue. Also the chapter referenced, that you seem to be so fond of, uses the terminology repeatedly "shepherd". There is a difference between Shepherds and Priests, throughout the Bible. Here in this passage and other places or didn't you know? giving Christianity a black eye, whom I also mention in the above explanation and about whom you and I are in total agreement, you should love the explanation. Please feel free to show it to your friends. Again, what an ego maniac you are. No wonder people give you such a hard time. Of course you are allowed to believe as you wish; everyone has their free-will. It is one of The Laws of this planet. Live as you will by the "Laws of this planet". I will choose to live by the Laws of God. What Revelation 11:9 states, and you have misquoted, is that ARGUE as you will, it was NOT misquoted... you have misinterpreted Revelation, obviously... and I'm sure you believe in the rapture too? Oh well, to each their own. The Ark of The Covenant will be (in the future) seen in the City called NEW Jerusalem that John saw COMING DOWN out of heaven (a UFO?)and of course it will be, when it comes down in the near future. After I have retrieved it from Tara, in fulfillment of Malachi 4. LOL Go ahead... make my day! LOL! no not just LOL, but ROTFL! http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/noah.htm As you have correctly stated: God is not stupid; for which I can personally vouch. Yes, exactly what I said. I am not speaking for God, as *you* seem to be... I was simply reiterating that He follows His own rules to the "T". He has NEVER left artifacts for man to brood over and discover, except for those that are so large,so huge, that man can only wonder about them, they cannot be possessed by any one hu-man at any given time in this earth age. But then you go on to say that He would not be so stupid as to leave The Ark on Earth. So, by so doing, you are actually telling God that you think He is stupid for doing so. And you think I'm trying to place myself above God? YES I do think you are attempting to put yourself above God. What then are you doing when you call Him stupid? THAT is YOUR misinterpretation, again, of what I said, and what I meant. I never said He was stupid. YOU did. YOU misinterpret many things... Perhaps you should get your communication skills a bit more together before you go out and attempt to save the world. You've got to know how to 'listen' as well as to 'speak'. The Ark HAS TO BE on Earth WHO says it HAS to be on the earth? WHERE do you get
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Jah wrote: By the way, free-will, is, for your information, one of God's Laws and there are no other laws on this planet that are Lawful. ***So, if man-made laws are evil and God sent you to recover the Ark, then I would say that you are sinning by obeying the laws of man and NOT the word of God. Surely you don't need a permit to dig since that is part of man's law..? Jah: Perhaps I joined the wrong list? Does anyone know of a real anti-conspiracy list? If so please tell me how to contact it. ***I think you did join the wrong list. The one you want is Sons Of Liberty at Onelist.com. I'm sure that you will fit right in there. Jah:P.S. Your words are in brown. Is there a subconscious message in your choice of colour for your own words? Did God guide your choice for you? *** Jah, your words are in black, h. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/18/99 3:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The following short quotation; from The Bible Book of Moses (the fifth Book in The Bible) called Deuteronomy; is NOT to proselytise, as I have been accused of trying to do, but merely to answer your question in which you challenged me to show you where God calls The Ark of The Covenant His WITNESS against His people. I quote your own words:- LOL A witness against His people? WHO and WHERE is it said that GOD NEEDS A WITNESS AGAINST HIS PEOPLE? LOL JAH, Really! Gimme a break. Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this Book of The Law, and put it in the side of The Ark of The Covenant of the "I AM" your God, that it may be there for a WITNESS against thee. I am really sorry to see this thread still running on this list. These are examples of proselytizing, in that you attempt to show that YOUR interpretations and beliefs are superior to others. Incidentally you have made a mistake in your interpretation, as can be plainly seen. The Ark is not the witness spoken of in this passage, but the Book of the Law is. Let us have no more back and forth on who has the upper hand in Hermeneutics. Beliefs AND interpretation of sacred texts are a matter of INDIVIDUAL belief and faith thus outside any area of our concern here. So I say again let this thread rest and let us move on to more pressing issues that have some bearing on Conspiracy theory, okay? ** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
