[CTRL] States press Bush on global warming policy

2002-07-18 Thread Steve Wingate

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States press Bush on global warming policy

By JENNIFER PETER, Associated Press

BOSTON (July 17, 2002 12:02 p.m. EDT) - Attorneys general from 11 states sent
a letter Wednesday to President Bush calling on him to end the
administration's regulatory void and address the growing threat of global
warming.

The letter from the 11 Democrats criticizes the Republican president for
failing to create a national policy to curb carbon dioxide emissions from
automobiles and power plants that contribute to global warming.

The four-page letter applauds the administration for a May report detailing
the seriousness of the global warming problem, but argues that the
administration has yet to propose a credible plan that is consistent with
the dire findings and conclusions being reported.

What we're asking the administration to do is to deal with it and to deal
with it now, Massachusetts Attorney General Thomas F. Reilly said in an
interview Wednesday. There is a consensus with the issuance of the report
that we have a serious environmental and public health problem caused by
global warming.

Although all the signers are Democrats, Reilly said it was not about
politics.

This is about our environment and it's about our future, Reilly said.

By acting now to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the Bush Administration
can provide regulatory certainty to the business community, can spur private
sector investment in renewable energy and energy efficiency, and can lay the
groundwork to avoid the potentially disastrous environmental, public health
and economic impacts of global warning, said New York Attorney General Eliot
Spitzer.

Many scientists say global warming already is under way, increasing average
temperatures by a couple of degrees in some places.

Far from proposing solutions to the climate change problem, the
administration has been adopting energy policies that would actually increase
greenhouse gas emissions, said the letter, first reported in Wednesday
editions of The New York Times.

States have been left to create a patchwork of inconsistent regulations, the
attorneys general charged in the letter.

They called the issue the most pressing environmental challenge of the 21st
century.

Other attorneys general who signed the letter are from Alaska, California,
Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island and
Vermont.

The group is pushing for a cap on carbon dioxide emissions from power plants
as well as requirements to increase the average fuel mileage standards for
automobiles.

The president is working on a bipartisan common-sense approach to the
issue, said White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan. She told the Times that
Bush's Clear Skies initiative would led to the largest reduction in power
plant emissions on record.

The four-page letter applauds the administration for a May report detailing
the seriousness of the global warming problem, but argues that the
administration has yet to propose a credible plan that is consistent with
the dire findings and conclusions being reported.

The U.S. Climate Action Report 2002, released in May, said that average
temperatures have increased 1 degree Fahrenheit over the past century, while
the sea levels have risen four to eight inches. It projects an increase of 5
to 9 degrees over the next hundred years.


In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace
and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation
plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being
transformed before our very eyes.

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[CTRL] Bush's niece jailed over drugs

2002-07-18 Thread c.

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 how depressing. check that last sentence. the bushes *are* your fucking
royal family.




Thursday, 18 July, 2002, 01:21 GMT 02:21 UK
Bush's niece jailed over drugs


Jeb Bush (r) is running for re-election this autumn



By Ian Pannell
BBC correspondent in Washington



The niece of US President George Bush has been jailed in connection with
drug offences.

Noelle Bush: Did not comply with treatment

Noelle Bush, the daughter of Florida Governor Jeb Bush, broke the terms of a
court-ordered drug treatment programme.
The 24-year-old was arrested in January after fraudulently trying to obtain
a prescription drug to treat anxiety.
She was arrested outside a pharmacy in Tallahassee.
She has been jailed for 72 hours on a charge of contempt of court for
failing to comply with her treatment programme.
It is not clear how she broke the court order.
Jeb Bush, who is running for re-election this autumn, issued a statement
saying how sad the family was, but he added that this was something that
happens to many people trying to recover from addiction.
We know there are thousands of families across Florida who share in this
unfortunate experience with their own children, he said.
The Florida governor is being challenged by the former attorney general,
Janet Reno, in this autumn's elections but it is unlikely this news will
dent his campaign.
If anything, it may generate popular sympathy for a man sometimes seen as
aloof from the real world.

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[CTRL] Markets hope the worst is over

2002-07-18 Thread c.

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oh i do hope not... it is *too* amusing to see the euro valued higher than
the dollar..*

Thursday, 18 July, 2002, 05:58 GMT 06:58 UK
Markets hope the worst is over


A morning bounce in Asia has given investors heart

Share prices around the world have steadied, amid mounting hopes that two
months of sharp declines may be over.
Japan's Nikkei share index closed up 2% at 10,498 points, leading Asia
higher, after Wall Street stocks closed up on Wednesday.
The markets' months of misery
New York Dow:
Down 17.5% from 17 May peak
London FTSE:
Down 20.5% from 15 May peak
Frankfurt Dax:
Down 19.3% from 15 May peak
Paris Cac:
Down 23.1% from 15 May peak
Tokyo Nikkei:
Down 13.2% from 20 May peak
US shares had surged at one point, but the froth came off by the end of the
day - a sign that the mood is still uncertain.
Now, all eyes are on the long list of US corporate results due later in the
day.
US results have been mixed so far, but analysts take comfort from the fact
that investors are starting to pay attention to fundamentals, and may be
shrugging off the gloomy mood of the past few weeks.
Results roster
The main dampener on the market is now the fear that Thursday's earnings
statements will disappoint investors.


Until corporate America cleans up its act or earnings get better, this looks
like a technical bounce

James Volk, DA Davidson
Some of America's biggest hi-tech firms are scheduled to report results,
including Microsoft, eBay, Nortel Networks and Sun Microsystems.
On Wednesday, investors faced a more mixed bag, including Citigroup, Ford,
Boeing, Coca-Cola and IBM.
Although the news was far from uniformly positive, results from Ford,
Coca-Cola and IBM were all cheering.
Companies count
Optimists hope that company results could generally send out a positive
signal, reminding investors that share prices are based on corporate
earnings first and foremost.

Could things be starting to look up?

While the mood in the market has darkened, economic fundamentals have
remained more or less favourable, and companies have tended to report solid
trading conditions.
The markets' somewhat muted response to Wednesday's results - the Dow Jones
index closing just 0.7% higher at 8,534.17 points - was based on the lack of
trust in corporate accounts since the Enron collapse, however.
Until people get their courage back, until corporate America cleans up its
act or earnings get better, this looks like a technical bounce, and
technical bounces have not had any legs in the past, said James Volk of DA
Davidson.
Two months of misery
Major stock markets around the world have now lost up to one-quarter of
their value since the recent peak in mid-May.
Many have plumbed depths well below those hit after 11 September: the FTSE
100 index, for example, has hit lows not seen since the end of 1996.
After 11 September, all major markets plunged, but recovered sharply towards
the end of the year before treading water in the first quarter of 2001.
The recent sharp declines - sparked by the admission that telecom giant
Worldcom had exaggerated its profits - have caused consternation among
policymakers and consumers alike.
Falling share prices generally lead consumers to cut spending, epecially in
the US, and could push the global economy back towards the recession it
flirted with late last year.

How far will they fall?


Key stories
Shares edge higher
FTSE falls below 4,000
Euro breaks $1 barrier


Analysis
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Bottoming out?
Why markets fall
How it affects you
Don't panic
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History of crashes

IN DEPTH

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Re: [CTRL] MAJESTYTWELVE (2 of 3)

2002-07-18 Thread c.
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see... it is all very fascinating... i spent 5 
minutes doing this my library just now. excellent- it seems to work with *every 
single piece of literature and every single movie* in my 
collection.
all i do is just *see* the connections, the 
euphamisms, the SIGNS... Oh LOrd i can see the signs!
and it also helps- as William "stop me if i'm 
mental" Cooper has found- to just change the details of the stories to fit 
whatever agenda you are forwarding. 
as he says himself- "total bullshit".
arf.

Lucifer Sam


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  -Caveat Lector- http://www.williamcooper.com/majestyt.htmThe propaganda attack against the American People 
  continues through movies. In Star Wars Luke Skywalker (Apollo, Horus, Osiris), 
  the SON of a widow (initiate) goes in search of himself (Secret, lost Word, or 
  Great Work). Jedi Knight Darth Vader (Osiris, Sun Father, Apollo, Doctrine, 
  Lucifer, Master of the FORCE [magic] who has gone over to the Darkside 
  (religion, nationalism, superstition) separates the Princess (the title 
  signifies BECOMING) Lea (Isis - Moon - Church) from the Doctrine 
  (illumination).Luke falls in love with Lea and begins a sexless, but 
  spiritual relationship with the Princess. This mystical union produces the 
  child HORUS (falcon headed God) which, in the movie, is personified in the 
  illumination of Luke transforming him into an Adept or Priest (Jedi Knight - 
  Sun Son - Adept - Reincarnated Osiris - Apollo - God - Doctrine). He embarks 
  upon a Quest in the Millenium (saviors always return at the millenium) Falcon 
  (Horus as savior) to rescue Princess Lea which results in a confrontation with 
  Vader who imparts knowledge (Intelligence - Fire) resulting in Luke finding 
  the Holy Grail (Bloodline, Identity, Lost Word, Obelisk, Penis, Creative 
  Force, apotheosis). With this knowledge he succeeds in reuniting (uniting in 
  marriage) the Force (doctrine) with Princess Lea (Church) which reestablishes 
  the Order of Jedi Knights (Congregation - full body of Adepts or Priests - 
  sixth root race - evolved and matured mankind - God Race, Horus) producing 
  chaos, rebellion, and the establishment of the New Dawn on the horizon (Horus 
  Risen), the New Age, the New Atlantis, a New World Order, the socialist 
  utopian world.Same message in the Lion King. But this motion picture 
  goes even further revealing the true malevolence of this deception. The Hyenas 
  portray what the "Order" considers to be the "useless eaters of the world," 
  blacks, Hispanics, and aboriginal peoples. The Lion is the symbol of the Tribe 
  of Judah, the so-called Israel, Christian Identity, British Israel, 
  International Zionism, the Anglo/Aryan race. Don't even think you understand 
  any of this as "important". It is only the manipulation through which the 
  Illuminati plans to wrest complete control of the world... in other words 
  total bullshit.
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[CTRL] Sky/and Saddam

2002-07-18 Thread Mermaid
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Sky TV had a real scoop on British 
breakfast time tv this morning.
They have video evidence that Saddam 
Hussien is paying 10.000 dollars to every family who has had a member of their 
family become a suicide bomber!!!
The PLO are saying they are giving the 
money via saddam hussein but why then is it in dollars???
The Mermaid 
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[CTRL] 9-11 Mossad Agents Admit Mission

2002-07-18 Thread lloyd

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..

From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]
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Makes you wonder if this could be true,
but consider the sources too. From: Joe Gillaspie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:32 AM
Subject: 9-11 Mossad Agents Admit Mission
FYI
ISRAELI AGENTS NABBED ON 9-11 ADMIT: OUR PURPOSE WAS TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT
By Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press Americanfreepress.net
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The jubilant Israeli intelligence agents caught photographing the attacks on
the World Trade Center were allowed to return to Israel where they divulged
the purpose of their mission on a radio program: Our purpose was to
document the event.
The explosive story of the 5 suspicious Israelis seen celebrating while
filming the attacks on the World Trade Center was first reported nationally
in American Free Press shortly after September
11. ABC News recently reported on this story and added a comment that
deserves attention.
The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported that at
least two of the men were Israeli intelligence (Mossad) agents. The Israeli
agents were first seen filming the attack on the WTC while kneeling on the
roof of a white van in the parking lot of a New Jersey apartment building
across the river from lower Manhattan.
They seemed to be taking a movie, the resident who noticed them said. The
men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center
burning in the background, she said. What struck her were the expressions on
the men's faces. They were like happy, you know . They didn't look shocked
to me. I thought it was very strange, she said.
She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate
number of the van and called the police. The FBI was soon on the scene and a
statewide bulletin was issued on the van.
The van belonged to a Mossad front company called Urban Moving Systems.
Around 4 p. m. on Sept. 11, the van was pulled over, and five Israelis:
Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari, all
between 22 and 27 years old, were arrested at gunpoint. One had $4,700 in
cash hidden in his sock while another carried two foreign passports. Box
cutters were found in the van.
WE ARE NOT YOUR PROBLEM
According to the police report, one of the men said they had been on the
West Side Highway in Manhattan during the incident - referring to the
World Trade Center attack. Sivan Kurzberg, the driver, said, We are
Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The
Palestinians are the problem.
The case was turned over to the FBI's Foreign Counterintelligence Section
because the FBI believed Urban Moving Systems was a cover for an Israeli
intelligence operation, ABC reported.
While the FBI searched the company's Weehawken, N. J., offices, removing
boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives, the owner of the
company, Dominic Suter, was allowed to flee the country. When FBI agents
tried to interview Suter a second time they discovered that he had cleared
out of his New Jersey home and fled to Israel.
When ABC reporters visited Urban Moving Systems, it looked as if it had
been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones
were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the
warehouse.
The Israelis had been held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn,
for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States
illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them
to be deported, however, FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on
the case, according to ABC.
The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them
were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days and given as many as seven
lie-detector tests. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a
lie-detector test for 10 weeks and then failed it, according to his lawyer.
OUR PURPOSE WAS TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT.
A deal was struck between Israeli and U. S. government officials after 71
days and the five Israelis were put on a plane, and deported to Israel.
The detained Israelis discussed their experience in America on an Israeli
talk show after their return home. One of the men said: The fact of the mat
ter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our
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Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam

2002-07-18 Thread c.
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dollars because it was once the world currency. 
especially in messed up ecnomies where inflation is rampant and the country's 
currency is devalued. the dollar was seen as a constant value. it happens 
everywhere.

what- you reckon it would tell us anything about 
the source? hardly.

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  Sky TV had a real scoop on British 
  breakfast time tv this morning.
  They have video evidence that Saddam 
  Hussien is paying 10.000 dollars to every family who has had a member of their 
  family become a suicide bomber!!!
  The PLO are saying they are giving 
  the money via saddam hussein but why then is it in 
  dollars???
  The Mermaid 
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Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam

2002-07-18 Thread Mermaid
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You really are a rude person Im 
surprised you are allowed on this list.
The Mermaid 
England

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  dollars because it was once the world currency. 
  especially in messed up ecnomies where inflation is rampant and the country's 
  currency is devalued. the dollar was seen as a constant value. it happens 
  everywhere.
  
  what- you reckon it would tell us anything about 
  the source? hardly.
  
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Sky TV had a real scoop on British 
breakfast time tv this morning.
They have video evidence that 
Saddam Hussien is paying 10.000 dollars to every family who has had a member 
of their family become a suicide bomber!!!
The PLO are saying they are giving 
the money via saddam hussein but why then is it in 
dollars???
The Mermaid 
xA 
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Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam

2002-07-18 Thread IGGY

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' cause USA dollars make the world go around...and probably not 'nuff
EURO conterfits yet!
IGGY

Mermaid wrote:

 -Caveat Lector- Sky TV had a real scoop on British breakfast time tv
 this morning.They have video evidence that Saddam Hussien is paying
 10.000 dollars to every family who has had a member of their family
 become a suicide bomber!!!The PLO are saying they are giving the money
 via saddam hussein but why then is it in dollars???The Mermaid x


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[CTRL] Stop the U.S. Foul Play

2002-07-18 Thread Jei

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Published on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 in the Toronto Globe  Mail
Stop the U.S. Foul Play
by Lloyd Axworthy

Perverse as it may seem, we should be grateful to the Bush administration
for its recent clumsy efforts to undermine the International Criminal Court
just as it came into existence on July 1. The administration's maladroit use
of the United Nations Security Council to alter the terms of the Treaty of
Rome, the founding document of the Court, should be a wake-up call for all
those committed to building an international system based on a rule of law
and all who care about maintaining the United Nations as a credible
organization.

First, any illusion that the present U.S. administration might have a
smidgeon of respect for international treaties or multilateral co-operation
should be finally dispelled. The disdain of the Americans is palpable;
they'll resort to crude means to wreck any form of international
architecture with which they disagree.

The argument they made in demanding immunity from the ICC -- that this was
simply a way of protecting their peacekeepers -- was a false one, and they
know it. As Paul Heinbecker, Canada's permanent representative to the UN,
pointed out, the United States has all the safeguards it needs --
particularly the fact that the ICC is a jurisdiction of last resort.
This means that if any crime were committed by an American, be it by a
soldier stationed in Bosnia or by the Secretary of Defense in Washington,
then the U.S. justice system -- civilian courts or military tribunals --
would be entitled to prosecute the case. The ICC only comes into play when a
nation state is unwilling or incapable of exercising legal action against an
act of genocide or a crime against humanity, as defined in the treaty.
Unfortunately, this refutation of the Americans' oft-stated objection never
got the attention it deserved; too often, the media bought the false notion
that this was a jurisdictional dispute. The antagonism of Washington's
current rulers toward the ICC, and their reason for disavowing the Clinton
administration's signature on the Rome Treaty, is that they do not want to
be restrained by any limitation on their actions, including compliance with
international criminal law.

What's particularly shocking about this attitude is that it flies in the
face of all President George W. Bush's aims as set out in his campaign
against terrorism. We hear constantly that this a great battle between
forces of good and evil, of justice versus injustice. Yet rather than
embrace a genuine, broadly supported effort to construct a global system of
legal co-operation in investigating, capturing, prosecuting and
incarcerating international criminals including terrorists, the Bush
administration set out to emasculate such an institution.
That was bad enough. But the Americans compounded the damage inflicted on
the international multilateral system by their tactic of holding hostage the
renewal of a peacekeeping mission in the Balkans and subverting the role of
the Security Council. The so-called compromise arrived at by backroom deals
among the permanent five members of the council is frankly a cave-in to U.S.
demands.

And it sets two very dangerous precedents. First is the use of blackmail on
peacekeeping to achieve the purely self-interested objective of one of the
council's permanent members. Second, the compromise acquiesces to the
Security Council's questionable right to amend by interpretation a treaty
arrived at in open discussion by representatives of more than 100 nation
states in a founding convention. The compromise, giving a 12-month hoist to
any application of treaty provisions, abrogates the original intent of the
drafters. It does not protect the integrity of the Rome Statute, as claimed.
Fortunately, that position is not going unchallenged. Our ambassador at the
UN, supported by the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Prime Minister, has
led the fight to preserve the validity of the court. Mr. Heinbecker was able
to obtain an open debate at the council and used that to expose U.S. myths
and mobilize opposition to the original and more blatant initiative to
achieve blanket immunity. It was Canadian diplomacy at its best.
And it must be continued by our seeking to invoke the engagement of the UN
General Assembly on this vital matter. The permanent five members have
sought by a sneaky procedural device in the wording of the compromise
resolution to keep the assembly out of the picture. But this position is not
impregnable; it's imperative that the assembly be seized of both the
inherent threat to future peacekeeping missions and the erosion of the ICC
that the council decision entails.

In fact, there's now an opportunity to institute even further reform. The
time has come to begin working toward the democratization of the Security
Council by insisting that all members be elected. The UN cannot be credible
when its decisions are so dominated by a small, 

Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam

2002-07-18 Thread c.
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bite me.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mermaid 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:33 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam
  -Caveat Lector- 
  
  You really are a rude person Im 
  surprised you are allowed on this list.
  The Mermaid 
  England
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
c. 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:15 
AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and 
Saddam
-Caveat Lector- 

dollars because it was once the world currency. 
especially in messed up ecnomies where inflation is rampant and the 
country's currency is devalued. the dollar was seen as a constant value. it 
happens everywhere.

what- you reckon it would tell us anything 
about the source? hardly.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mermaid 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:23 
  AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam
  -Caveat Lector- 
  
  

  
  Sky TV had a real scoop on 
  British breakfast time tv this morning.
  They have video evidence that 
  Saddam Hussien is paying 10.000 dollars to every family who has had a 
  member of their family become a suicide bomber!!!
  The PLO are saying they are 
  giving the money via saddam hussein but why then is it in 
  dollars???
  The Mermaid 
  xA 
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Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam

2002-07-18 Thread Joshua Tinnin

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Were you here in the days of Saba?

Incidentally, I don't think c.'s being rude, so much, maybe just using
Occam's Razor, which seems to suit in this instance.

- jt


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam


-Caveat Lector-

You really are a rude person Im surprised you are allowed on this list.
The Mermaid
England
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  Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam


  -Caveat Lector-
  dollars because it was once the world currency. especially in messed up
ecnomies where inflation is rampant and the country's currency is devalued.
the dollar was seen as a constant value. it happens everywhere.

  what- you reckon it would tell us anything about the source? hardly.
- Original Message -
From: Mermaid
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:23 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam


-Caveat Lector-
Sky TV had a real scoop on British breakfast time tv this morning.
They have video evidence that Saddam Hussien is paying 10.000 dollars to
every family who has had a member of their family become a suicide bomber!!!
The PLO are saying they are giving the money via saddam hussein but why
then is it in dollars???
The Mermaid x

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Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam

2002-07-18 Thread Mermaid

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I was here when Saba was on the list But I get the strong feeling
after C's last onslaught on me that anything i say will be used to further
humiliate me and I get the strong impression that any woman amongst all this
male testosterone is apt to feel a little overpowered at times...As nice as
it is...Boadicea I am not lol I guess it is because all the people
on my list Robots Rebellion 2 are all so courteous..The Mermaid xx

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From: Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam


 -Caveat Lector-

 Were you here in the days of Saba?

 Incidentally, I don't think c.'s being rude, so much, maybe just using
 Occam's Razor, which seems to suit in this instance.

 - jt


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 From: Mermaid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam


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 You really are a rude person Im surprised you are allowed on this list.
 The Mermaid
 England
   - Original Message -
   From: c.
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:15 AM
   Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam


   -Caveat Lector-
   dollars because it was once the world currency. especially in messed up
 ecnomies where inflation is rampant and the country's currency is
devalued.
 the dollar was seen as a constant value. it happens everywhere.

   what- you reckon it would tell us anything about the source? hardly.
 - Original Message -
 From: Mermaid
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:23 AM
 Subject: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam


 -Caveat Lector-
 Sky TV had a real scoop on British breakfast time tv this morning.
 They have video evidence that Saddam Hussien is paying 10.000 dollars
to
 every family who has had a member of their family become a suicide
bomber!!!
 The PLO are saying they are giving the money via saddam hussein but
why
 then is it in dollars???
 The Mermaid x

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Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam

2002-07-18 Thread Joshua Tinnin

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Then pay it no mind. I can't say I disagree with c. entirely, nor agree with
you entirely, but pay it no mind. I learned the hard way how it's easy to
get baited on this list, and some others, as I'm sure you know. Saba was
never as much an arch enemy as she was a teacher to me in the end, although
I'm sure that's not what was intended by her.

And I continue to learn about this subject.

And, Mermaid, you know that Kris isn't going to disallow someone from a list
for being acerbic alone. Not trying to speak for him, of course, just
speaking of past experiences on his lists.

- jt

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From: Mermaid [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I was here when Saba was on the list But I get the strong feeling
 after C's last onslaught on me that anything i say will be used to further
 humiliate me and I get the strong impression that any woman amongst all
this
 male testosterone is apt to feel a little overpowered at times...As nice
as
 it is...Boadicea I am not lol I guess it is because all the people
 on my list Robots Rebellion 2 are all so courteous..The Mermaid xx

 - Original Message -
 From: Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam


  -Caveat Lector-
 
  Were you here in the days of Saba?
 
  Incidentally, I don't think c.'s being rude, so much, maybe just using
  Occam's Razor, which seems to suit in this instance.
 
  - jt
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Mermaid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam
 
 
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  You really are a rude person Im surprised you are allowed on this list.
  The Mermaid
  England
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From: c.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam
 
 
-Caveat Lector-
dollars because it was once the world currency. especially in messed
up
  ecnomies where inflation is rampant and the country's currency is
 devalued.
  the dollar was seen as a constant value. it happens everywhere.
 
what- you reckon it would tell us anything about the source? hardly.
  - Original Message -
  From: Mermaid
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:23 AM
  Subject: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam
 
 
  -Caveat Lector-
  Sky TV had a real scoop on British breakfast time tv this morning.
  They have video evidence that Saddam Hussien is paying 10.000
dollars
 to
  every family who has had a member of their family become a suicide
 bomber!!!
  The PLO are saying they are giving the money via saddam hussein but
 why
  then is it in dollars???
  The Mermaid x

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[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: The Ruinous Drug Laws

2002-07-18 Thread Tenor Love

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The Ruinous Drug Laws

July 18, 2002
By BOB HERBERT






If you want to see the true craziness of the Rockefeller
drug laws just compare the cases of Andre Neverson, a
violent felon currently being hunted for the murder of two
women, and Kenia Tatis, a 32-year-old mother of three who
is serving a mandatory sentence of 15 years to life in
state prison.

Ten years ago Mr. Neverson got into a fight with his
girlfriend outside a medical school in Brooklyn, where she
worked. The woman's uncle came by and saw them fighting.
When he tried to intervene, Mr. Neverson became enraged,
pulled a gun and shot the uncle five times.

The uncle survived. Mr. Neverson served five years in
prison for attempted murder and was released.

Last week he shot his own sister to death, police said, and
then kidnapped and murdered another former girlfriend. He
was still on the loose yesterday.

Kenia Tatis was arrested a few years ago on a charge of
possessing 20 ounces of cocaine. She had never before been
in trouble with the law and insisted she was innocent.
There were no drugs found in her possession when she was
arrested, but she was convicted at a trial in which a woman
testified against her in return for a lighter sentence for
herself.

There is plenty that is wrong with this picture. Andre
Neverson, a mortal threat to anyone he encounters, does
just five years for shooting a man five times, while Kenia
Tatis, a nonviolent narcotics offender with no prior
criminal record, does a staggering 15 years to life.

How about a dose of sanity? After 29 futile and tragic
years, it is time to bring the curtain down on the
institutionalized cruelty of the Rockefeller drug laws.
There is no way to justify sentencing nonviolent low-level
drug offenders to prison terms that are longer than those
served by some killers and rapists.

Two packages of legislative reforms are floating around,
one from Gov. George Pataki and one from the State
Assembly. Neither goes far enough. But with more than
19,000 drug offenders jamming the prisons and draining the
state's resources, it's important to at least get a start
on remedying the worst abuses.

The essential problem with the Rockefeller laws is that the
punishments are both draconian and mandatory. As the
Correctional Association of New York has pointed out, The
penalties apply without regard to the circumstances of the
offense or the individual's character or background.

Major drug dealers are seldom snared in the vast net of
these laws. But tens of thousands of addicts and low-level
peddlers - the vast majority of them black or Hispanic -
have been sent away for long stretches. Judges do not have
the discretion to impose lighter sentences in cases that
warrant them, or to refer offenders to drug treatment
programs as an alternative to incarceration when that is
appropriate.

Both of the current reform proposals would make some
changes in sentencing procedures, with the Assembly package
giving judges substantially more discretion. But neither
package would actually repeal the Rockefeller laws.

The ethnic differentials in the enforcement of the drug
laws are extraordinary. While there is wide use of illegal
drugs across the ethnic spectrum, including among whites,
94 percent of the people doing time for drug offenses in
the state of New York are black or Hispanic.

There is now broad acknowledgment that enactment of such
rigid laws by Gov. Nelson Rockefeller and the State
Legislature in 1973 was a wrongheaded approach to the twin
scourges of crime and drug addiction. One of the original
sponsors of the laws, former State Senator John R. Dunne,
who served as chairman of the Senate Committee on Crime and
Corrections in 1973, said on this page a couple of months
ago that he regretted his role in the passage of the
Rockefeller laws, which he described as both ineffective
and wasteful.

New York, he said, now sends more African-American and
Latino men to prison each year than it graduates from its
state colleges and universities.

Governor Pataki and the leaders of the Assembly do not
appear to be closing in on an agreement that would begin to
reform these destructive laws. Another opportunity is
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[CTRL] Connecting the dots

2002-07-18 Thread Dale Stonehouse

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http://www.steamshovelpress.com/latestword12.html

THE LATEST WORD

Connecting the Dots, the Padillas, and the Bisharas
by Loren Coleman

  On June 6, 2002, Congress began holding hearings on what alleged
mistakes the Federal Bureau of Investigation might have made in preventing
the 9/11 tragedies. The press had a field day, turning over and over its
fifth estate examination of who or what agency could be responsible for the
awful assault against America. Setting culpability is one of the
psychological states that an individual or a country has to go through after
a trauma is experienced.

The Dots

  We were not surprised to soon see that Senator Arlen Magic Bullet
Specter would be the one getting the first sound bite on the evening news.
Feathers ruffled, speaking to the nation's cameras and to FBI director
Robert Mueller, Specter was broadcast saying: It wasn't just a matter of
connecting the dots, there was a virtual blueprint.

  People talk a great deal about connecting the dots, said Rep. Nancy
Pelosi of California, ranking Democrat on the House committee. She felt the
intelligence agencies didn't even see the dots, they didn't understand the
salience of the dots. Of course, we must ask, does anyone in the mainstream
media or government really get it at all?

  The question must be asked, why isn¹t anyone in the national media
talking about the seemingly subtle coincidences turning up in their
wall-to-wall public analysis of terrorism in America?

  Americans have short-term memories. We can be excused. We¹re young.
Our country lacks a legacy of understanding the complex relationships of
political intrigue and religious warfare, which might assist us in these
times. Is it any wonder that Europeans laughed at us in the 1960s, when John
F. Kennedy was killed, as conspiracy theories were quieted? They took it for
granted that the assassination involved more than one person. The
establishment press did not.

  So, here we are, post-9/11, in the midst of al Qaeda's holy war,
allowing the mass media to play their same old games again, with a new
twist. It certainly is amusing to see the attack dogs of the mainstream
media, at least for a few days, critiquing the intelligence services for
not connecting the dots. But wait a second, hasn't it been these same news
reporters who proudly asserted for years that its special brand of
investigative journalism figured out the deeper truths of the John F.
Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy assassinations, and, even, of the Oklahoma
City bombing? While all of these events might involve groups of people, the
underlying theme was, according to these same journalists, that lone nuts
were at the foundation of such things.

  When in America will we understand that to employ the word
conspiracy in context is not a sin, but actually might be a survival
technique we need to learn? It might actually be of benefit if the general
public did not whole-heartedly take everything in from the media without a
bit more critical thinking along lines of analysis that may be seen as too
alternative, in former years.

The Padillas

  Let us examine a couple of recent examples for what we were told, and
for what might lie beneath.

  The Defense and Justice Departments picked June 11th to announce that
on May 8, 2002, in Chicago, the FBI arrested an al Qaeda terror suspect as
he stepped off a plane to begin what was reportedly a scouting mission that
would end with the detonating of a dirty bomb, an explosive that would
scatter radiation. The man known as Abdullah al Muhajir was born Jose
Padilla, in Brooklyn of Puerto Rican heritage, thirty-one years ago.
Pucho, as his Logan Square neighbors called him, because of his chubby
cheeks, moved to Chicago at age 5. By the time he was a teen, he allegedly
told police he was a member of the Latin Disciples street gang. When he was
arrested, he often would use aliases, at least seven of them, including Jose
Alicea, Jose Ortiz and Jose Rivera, and provide police with different dates
of birth. Padilla graduated from street crime on the West Side of Chicago to
more violent incidents in Florida, leading to some juvenile jail time where
he converted to Islam and chang ed his name. From there, the journey has
been as well publicized as the information allows. In 1997 Padilla's mother,
who had moved to Florida, called friends in Chicago to say that her son had
married a Muslim woman and went over there, to the Middle East, I don't
know where, although reportedly, she gave out a Cairo, Egypt address to one
person. Padilla's mother also said her son had joined a cult. Later,
Abdullah al Muhajir left for training in al Qaeda's operations in Pakistan,
came back through Zurich, and tried to get back in the USA at O¹Hare.
Pucho, who still has Jose tattooed on his right arm, waits his faith in
a Navy brig in South Carolina.

  What are we talking about here, an American patsy for a network of
individuals 

[CTRL] Out of the Shadows

2002-07-18 Thread Dale Stonehouse

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http://www.steamshovelpress.com/thingsaregonnaslide.html

THINGS ARE GONNA SLIDE!

OUT OF THE SHADOWS
BY NICK REDFERN

Nick Redfern interviews David Clarke, co-author with Andy Roberts of the
newly released book: Out of the Shadows, published in the UK by Piatkus. The
book is as fascinating as it is controversial and deals with their findings
on the history of UFOs and the British Government.

1. First, Dave, can you relate what prompted you to write Out of the Shadows
and give a brief description of what the book is about?

The book was written in an attempt to go 'back to basics' with government
UFO research in the UK. There has been very little original research done in
that area so we decided to start with 1940 and work forwards, approaching
the subject as would a historian by only using contemporary accounts, both
official and media, and original interviews. The result is a fascinating
insight into what the UK government's real involvement with UFOs has been
and how that connects with the Cold War and beyond.

2. During the course of your research, what was the earliest evidence you
found demonstrating British Government interest in UFOs?

Well there was government interest in the wave of 'phantom airship'
sightings in 1909 and 1913, when Winston Churchill was questioned in
Parliament about a sighting over a dockyard in Kent, but these UFOs were
thought to be German Zeppelin airships involved in spying missions. The
earliest real interest comes from 1941, when radar stations on the south
coast of England picked up a wave of strange objects travelling across the
Channel from the direction of France. As a German invasion was expected,
Fighter Command assumed these were towed gliders and fighters were scrambled
to take a look. When they reached the scene there was nothing to be found.
This happened night after night for several months, and a secret
investigation was launched, at the height of WW2, involving Dr R.V. Jones
who was then head of Scientific Intelligence at the Air Ministry. We got
this story directly from a member of Sir Robert Watson-Watt's radar team who
was at Bawdsey in 1938. He provided us with two hefty files relating to the
investigation. We think this was earliest case of what would later be called
a radar UFO incident.

3. For years there have been rumours of Air Ministry investigations of Foo
Fighters during the Second World War. To what extent have you been able to
validate those rumours and what new material have you uncovered?

In the book we exclusively reveal there was a study of 'foo fighters' but it
was not under that name. WWII aerial phenomena was called 'the thing' or
'the light' by UK aircrews. The study consisted of numerous sighting
reports, including a UFO several hundred feet long seen in two different
locations. It concluded that as these things weren't causing any problems
they should be ignored. The book also includes direct testimony from
aircrew, gleaned from our personal study of the foo-fighter phenomenon
during the 1980s.

4. Your book contains information on the British role in the study of the
ghost-rocket phenomena of 1946. What conclusions did the Government reach
about this, and how deeply were the Secret Services involved?

British involvement in the ghost-rocket saga has never been seriously looked
at until we chanced upon several hitherto unseen files at the PRO. These
detail how much of the Air Ministry were convinced that the 'rockets' were a
real and genuine threat, so much so that two 'secret agents' from MI 10 were
despatched to Sweden to investigate. The conclusion reached by the
government, somewhat reluctantly, but based on evidence, was that the
phenomena had been some form of hysteria based on misperception of natural
objects. But the story of the internal politics of this and how the
conclusions were reached is fascinating.

5. We know the US military investigations of UFOs really began, on a large
scale, at least, following the Kenneth Arnold encounter of June 24, 1947.
How does that compare, time-wise, in the UK?

In the book we reveal that six months before Kenneth Arnold's sighting the
RAF were involved in an operation to intercept a UFO over the East Coast of
England. This was called 'Operation Charlie' and involved an object tracked
by radar over East Anglia, which travelled at speeds in excess of those that
the fastest planes could achieve. Mosquitoes were scrambled on several
occasions and one managed to lock onto the UFO with its airborne radar. The
phrase 'Flying Saucer' had not yet been coined so the RAF called this UFO a
'ghost plane'. We found a radar operator who was involved in the most
dramatic incident, and the pilot of the Mosquito who attempted to intercept
the UFO. We don't know what happened to the 'secret' report on the
operation, but information on the sightings was shared with the Americans.
Captain Ed Ruppelt wrote that the reports of the English 'ghost planes'
featured in the legendary 'Estimate 

[CTRL] Reagan the Clone

2002-07-18 Thread Dale Stonehouse

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According to some sources, Ronald Reagan may have been replaced by a cloned
double after the March 30, 1981 assassination (attempt?) by John Hinckley.

Here's a clue that the programming may not have been complete or may have
malfunctioned at times, from John McEnroe's new book You Cannot Be Serious.

quoting, p. 159:

... After I won the '81 U.S. Open, I was invited to the White House - and I
didn't want to go! It was on a day's notice, the meeting was set for early
in the morning; it all just felt too inconvenient.

My mother said, You've been invited to meet the President and you're
thinking of not going? You're going. I went. It was the story of my life -
I always had to be pushed. I was glad I did go, too; I had never met a
President before, and I felt something very special about Ronald Reagan. He
was funny; he seemed to have a way with people; he had a real presence about
him. And - having said that - he had absolutely no clue who I was!

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[CTRL] Hinckley/Bush connection

2002-07-18 Thread Dale Stonehouse
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HINCKLEY: HIT MAN FOR THE SHADOW
GOVERNMENT?What is more dangerous for the future of
our country than a conspiracy to assassinate a president? It is a conspiracy to
manipulate and control what the American people are told by the national news
media. There are scores of unanswered questions surrounding the event of the
afternoon of March 30, 1981. For instance, John Chancellor, eyebrows raised,
informed the viewers of NBC Nightly News that the brother of the man who tried
to kill the president was acquainted with the son of the man who would have
become president if the attack had been successful. As a matter of fact,
Chancellor said in a bewildered tone, Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush had been
scheduled to have dinner together at the home of the vice president's son the
very next night.
And, of course, the engagement had been canceled. . . Then a peculiar
thing happened: The story vanished. To this day, it has never been reported in
the New York Times, Washington Post or many other metropolitan newspapers, never
again mentioned by any of the television news networks, and never noted in news
magazines except for a brief mention in Newsweek, which lumped it with two
ludicrous conspiracy scenarios as if the Bush-Hinckley connection didn't deserve
some sort of explanation.

THE MEDIA MADE IT APPEAR THAT THE ONLY MOTIVATION BEHIND
THE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT WAS HINCKLEY'S OBSESSION WITH JODIE
FOSTERBut many other significant facts concerning the Bush and
Hinckley families have remained unexplored and unexplained, in addition to other
matters related to the assassination. For example:
Neil Bush, a landman for Amoco Oil, told Denver reporters he had met
Scott Hinckley at a surprise party at the Bush home January 23, 1981, which was
approximately three weeks after the U.S. Department of Energy had begun what was
termed a "routine audit" of the books of the Vanderbilt Energy Corporation, the
Hinckley oil company.
In an incredible coincidence, on the morning of March 30, three
representatives of the U.S. Department of Energy told Scott Hinckley,
Vanderbilt's vice president of operations, that auditors had uncovered evidence
of pricing violations on crude oil sold by the company from 1977 through 1980.
The auditors announced that the federal government was considering a penalty of
two million dollars. Scott Hinckley reportedly requested "several hours to come
up with an explanation" of the serious overcharges. The meeting ended a little
more than an hour before John Hinckley Jr. shot President Reagan.
Although John Hinckley Sr. was characterized repeatedly by the national
news media as "a strong supporter of President Reagan," no record has been found
of contributions to Reagan. To the contrary, in addition to money given to Bush,
a fellow Texas oilman, as far back as 1970, the senior Hinckley raised funds for
Bush's unsuccessful campaign to wrest the nomination from Reagan. Furthermore,
he and Scott Hinckley separately contributed to John Connally in late 1979 when
Connally was leading the campaign to stop Reagan from gaining the 1980
presidential nomination. The Bush and Hinckley families, of course, would do
better under a Bush presidency than it would under President Reagan.
Available evidence at the time made clear many other connections between
the Bush and Hinckley families. Reported "coincidences" involving the Hinckleys
and the family of H.L. Hunt also remained unexplored. Even the official
government line admitted that the Bush and Hinckley families "maintained social
ties." The deeply troubled Hinckley oil company obviously would fare better
under a president Bush.
The assertion by the media of course, was that the assassination attempt
was nothing more than the senseless act of a deranged drifter who "did it to
impress Jodie Foster." However, that all of these "coincidences" are thoroughly
ignored by the media is also suspicious. It is also essential to understand the
travesty of the trial of John W. Hinckley, presided over by Judge Barrington D.
Parker. In May 2001, Barrington D. Parker was one of the first eleven nominees
for appointment to federal appeals courts by President George W. Bush.

BUSH SR. HAS UNDOUBTEDLY TAUGHT BUSH JR. THE TRICKS OF
THE TRADE But there's more. NBC correspondent Judy Woodruff said
that at least one shot was fired from the hotel, above Reagan's limousine. She
later elaborated, saying a Secret Service agent had fired that shot from the
hotel overhang. Could Reagan's wound have been inflicted by friendly fire? Or,
more ominously, did Woodruff glimpse a bona fide "second gunman" - a la JFK in
Dealey Plaza? Either way, Woodruff's account might explain how a slug managed to
strike Reagan when his limo's bulletproof door stood between him and Hinckley.
Sizing up the Hinckley-Bush nexus, conspiracy researcher John Judge has
theoretically dubbed this "the shot from the Bushy knoll."
According to 

[CTRL] Fwd: plastic wrap

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Subject: Plastic wrap 
 As a seventh grade student, Claire Nelson learned that di(ethylhexyl)adepate (DEHA), considered a carcinogen, is found in plastic wrap. She also learned that the FDA had never studied the effect of microwave cooking on plastic-wrapped food. Claire began to wonder: "Can cancer-causing particles seep into food covered with household plastic wrap while it is being microwaved?"





Three years later, with encouragement from her high school science teacher, Claire set out to test what the 
FDA had not. Although she had an idea for studying the effect of microwave radiation on plastic-wrapped food, she did not have the equipment. Eventually, Jon Wilkes at the National Center for Toxicological Research in Jefferson, Arkansas, agreed to help her. The research center, which is affiliated with the FDA, let her use its facilities to perform her experiments, which involved microwaving plastic wrap in virgin olive oil. 


Claire tested four different plastic wraps and "found not just the carcinogens but also xenoestrogen was 
migrating [into the oil]" Xenoestrogens are linked to low sperm counts in men and to breast cancer in women.


Throughout her junior and senior years, Claire made a couple of trips each week to the research center, which 
was 25 miles from her home, to work on her experiment. An article in Options reported that "her analysis found that DEHA was migrating into the oil at between 200 parts and 500 parts per million. The FDA standard is 0.05 parts per billion." Her summarized results have been published in science journals. Claire Nelson received the American Chemical Society's top science prize for students during her junior year and fourth place at the Internationa! l Science and Engineering Fair (Fort Worth, Texas) as a senior. "Carcinogens -- At 10,000,000 Times FDA Limits" Options May 2000. Published by People Against Cancer, 515-972-.


On Channel 2 (Huntsville, AL) they had a Dr. Edward Fujimoto from Castle Hospital on the 
program. He is the manager of the Wellness Program at the hospital. He was talking about dioxins and how bad they are for us. He said that we should not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers. This applies to foods that contain fat. He said that the combination of fat, high heat and plastics releases dioxins into 

Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam

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  From: Mermaid I was here when Saba 
  was on the list But I get the strong feeling after C's 
  last onslaught on me that anything i say will be used to 
  furtherhumiliate me If your skin is so thin that you 
  consider C's response 'rude', an 'onslaught', and an attempt to 
  'humiliate' you, then get off of the Internet, especially this 
  list.C's response was not anyof those, and your own 
  words adequately 'humiliate' you, nothing anyone says in response to 
  them...and I get the strong impression that 
  any woman amongst all this male testosterone is apt to feel 
  a little overpowered at times...Speak for yourself; 
  personally I feel that there isn't so much actual testosterone displayed 
  on this list than the posturing facade of such...I have absolutely no 
  problem dealing with either display. If you're unable to hold your 
  own on your own merit, again this list isn't for you...no one's going to 
  be putting on kid gloves just to spare your 
  feelings...I guess it is because all the 
  people on my list Robots Rebellion 2 are all so 
  courteous..I guess it's a question of what one deems 
  'courteous', and I assume you impose your own definition on your own list; 
  I found absolutely nothing in C's original response to you to be 
  DIScourteous, in the usual, Webster-dictionary accepted definition of the 
  word. If you define 'courtesy' to mean that everyone should agree 
  with you, again this is not the list for you to post to. Neither is 
  it the list for you if you expect no one to debate 
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[CTRL] BRZEZINSKI, HITLER, MACKINDER, GEOPOLITICS

2002-07-18 Thread ulrich stuart
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===BRZEZINSKI, HITLER, MACKINDER, GEOPOLITICS...AND CORRECTION[Posted 16 July 2002]===BRZEZINSKI, HITLER, MACKINDER AND GEOPOLITICS
Dear Emperor's New Clothes, 
Is the move in Central Asia about Oil? No, it's about POWER. And I don't mean "power" as in "energy". 
It's about how you become and remain the world's Dominant Power, and what you have to do to maintain/achieve it - like taking over strategic areas of the world. 
Z.B. [Zbigniew Brzezinski] and his chums come with a theory and ideology to carry it out as well, which is why they behave like a high priestly order. 
We, the Good 'Ole Brits invented it, when we were desperately trying to maintain the position of the British Empire as No. 1 Dominant Power. 
"He who dominates East Europe controls the Heartland, [the pivotal part of Eurasia.] He who controls the Heartland controls the World Island, [Eurasia.] He who controls the World Island controls the World". 
This is the mantra of the theory of Geopolitics, the theory of Sir Halford MacKinder, (he was a Brit and guru of these people). 
In a slightly earlier era, it was called "The Great Game", and British commentators have said immediately, about The current intervention, "It's the Great Game". 
I suggest - sorry about this one - a few articles explaining Geopolitics and how it's the great master plan and ideology of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) the heart of the National Security Establishment. 
But how did it turn up in America, - it got taken there by Brits trying to involve America in supporting them, and became the watchword of the CFR after 1943-44 and US. foreign policy since the war.
Richard Roper, Sheffield, Yorkshire UK 
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John Flaherty replies: 
It would be most kind of you to write in more detail about these issues. 
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CORRECTION REGARDING VIVENDI COMPANY
Dear Emperor's Clothes, 
[This concerns comments Jared Israel made replying to a reader's letter. See "WHAT ABOUT BUSH'S 'CARPET-OF-BOMBS' THREAT?" at http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/carpet.htm ]
Just a quick correction regarding what Jared wrote about Vivendi. It's a huge conglomerate, of which computer games is only a tiny part of the business. For more info see here: 
http://uk.biz.ya+hoo.com/p/e/eaug.pa.html 
It's currently involved in an accounting scandal, as can be seen here: 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_212/2120111.stm 
Hope this helps. Paul Collins, London UK
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...MORE ON CORRECTION
Dear Emperor's Clothes, 
Vivendi is called the octopus. Even if at the moment, with the latest scandal, it might loose a tentacle or two. It is a huge and powerful TNC, (amongst the worst). Not only does it hold TV channels, but two of the most influential French mags + medical mags. I strongly encourage you to go to the URL below. http://www.transnationale.org/anglais/sources/information/b10_vu.htm 
Dominique Prédali 
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Jared Israel replies to both: 
Thank you. I was so taken with the charming notion of a computer games nerd presenting himself as a Secret Agent that I didn't dig enough on Vivendi. 
Best regards, Jared Israel 
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Jared Israel wrote Paul Collins: 
Dear Mr. Collins, 
In his thousand-time reprinted article, Julio Godoy describes Brisard as 

"until the late 1990s director of economic analysis and strategy for Vivendi, a French company." http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/11.17A.Oil.Taliban.htm 
A director of a huge conglomerate "until the late 1990s"? Why so vague? When did he start? When did he stop? What did he do? Imagine putting on a job application: 

"I was until the late 1990s director of economic analysis and strategy at Ford." 
Everybody seems to have reprinted this description without question - that's what's most disturbing - how easily critics of US government policies allow a spokesperson to be appointed for them... 
Anyway, on the inside back of the English version of FORBIDDEN TRUTH, I found that, Lo and behold! Brisard's job description had changed: 

"...Brisard is a consultant on business, corporate and diplomatic intelligence who was special adviser and Vice President of Business Intelligence [?] at Vivendi Universal." 
From director of strategy and economic analysis to "Vice President of Business Intelligence" - meaning he does what? And why, if he is this VP of whatever, is he *also* a "special adviser"? On what? To whom? 
As we say in Brooklyn: Whose dat guy? 
Best regards, Jared Israel
 
Reply from Paul Collins: 
DID BRISARD WORK FOR JACQUES CHIRAC'S PARTY IN FRANCE? 

[CTRL] Implanted Chips That Deliver Your Drugs

2002-07-18 Thread ulrich stuart
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JUNE 18, 2002 SPECIAL REPORT: EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES Implanted Chips That Deliver Your DrugsCombining microprocessors and pharmaceuticals in devices that reside inside a patient could keep medicine at optimal levels 











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Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Bob Langer has spent 25 years trying to solve the puzzle of drug delivery. Every drug has a desirable therapeutic range. Above it, the drug can be toxic. Below, the medication can be ineffective.



 Just how do you get the right dose to a patient at the right time? To find the answer, Langer has customized polymers that allow drugs to seep out into the body, experimented with magnets as a way to control polymer drug release, and worked on patches that slowly pass drugs into the body through the skin. To date, Langer holds 408 patents and has published 711 articles and 13 books. He has also licensed products to more than 75 companies. So when Langer has an idea, it matters. His latest brainchild combines silicon chips with advanced medical-device technology to make drug delivery more intelligent. "This is a paradigm shift," he says. "We're putting pharmacies on a chip." It could also turn out to be big business. The U.S. drug delivery industry produces $38 billion to $40 billion in revenues each year. Mahesh Chaubal, founder of drug-delivery information service Drugdel.com, estimates that the market for computerized delivery systems could be worth $5 billion by 2012, vs. zero today. DRUG WELLS. The concept of a computerized drug-delivery system came to Langer while he was watching a TV program about chip-giant Intel more than 10 years ago. But it wasn't until John Santini arrived as an MIT summer student in 1993 that the project started to take shape. After completing his PhD at MIT, Santini founded MicroCHIPS, a Cambridge (Mass.) startup that's designing chip-based drug-delivery technology. To date, it has attracted two rounds of venture funding totaling $17.25 million. MicroCHIPS' product is a titanium device, about two-thirds the size of a standard pacemaker -- which itself is the size of a box of Chiclets gum. The device would be inserted in a patient's abdomen during an outpatient procedure. Inside is a silicon chip with as many as 400 tiny "wells" where drugs can be stored. Each well is sealed with a thin gold membrane, which prevents the drug from leaking out of the chip. Releasing a unit of the drug involves sending a small electric voltage that dissolves the cap and allows the drug to diffuse into the tissue. MicroCHIPS is working with a major, though still unnamed, pharmaceutical company and plans to have the device in clinical trials within 18 months. It's likely that the device will be used for large-molecule protein drugs, steroids, or horomones. IT NEVER FORGETS. A computerized drug-delivery device has several advantages. First, it allows for precise control of drug release, solving the key problem of delivering too much or not enough. Because it has a powerful chip inside, the device can be preprogrammed to release a prescribed dosage at precise intervals. It also can be manually controlled via a wireless device that looks like a supermarket scanner. A system like MicroCHIPS also solves problems that are inherent in complex, combination drug therapies, where a patient needs to take specific dosages of several drugs at once. An implanted device releases drugs on schedule, eliminating the need for patients to remember to inject or swallow the right meds. Finally, it's feasible: Technologists understand how silicon chips and implanted devices work. Cutting-edge gene therapies, where scientists try to coax the body into producing proteins or hormones to cure disease, are exponentially more complex because it isn't always clear what cascading, harmful effect they might have. SKEPTICAL VIEW. "We're not reinventing the wheel," says Santini. "And that's really important because you don't want a technology where there are eight different new things you have to figure out before you can get a product onto the market. We are building on what has been done in the cardiac area, the wireless area, and the microchip area. We're integrating a lot of known things." Even so, some drug-delivery analysts are skeptical of this approach. Tracy de Gregorio, a director at pharmaceutical research firm Decision Resources in Waltham, Mass., thinks computerized drug delivery could be a niche market at best. She says patients and HMOs may not embrace expensive, invasive procedures just to avoid needle injections, even for large-molecule drugs like proteins that can only be delivered this way. Besides, "the overwhelming preference has always been and will always be 

Re: [CTRL] WORST IS STILL YET TO COME

2002-07-18 Thread Mike Clark

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USA TODAY yesterday reported that if this is a RECOVERY

why arent there any jobs being created.  AMR the parent

company of American Airlines reported that during the

last quarter ( April-May-June ) that American Airlines

has been losing $250,000 an HOUR.

The United States is a totally bankrupt nation.  This one

is considerably worse than March 1933.  The debt is now

6.11 TRILLION and counting.  This amount is MANY TIMES

OVER the ENTIRE M1 MONEY SUPPLY.  In other words there

is not enough money in circulation to pay the debt.

It's a hopeless situation.  If the Secret Government

doesnt officially declare bankruptcy and create a new

monetary system at once , then you will see a wholesale

breakdown of society.   What will occur then will be

like some of Mel Gibson's early MAD MAX movies.  If

you can recall those.

One option is to START PRINTING MONEY.  That will lead

to total chaos.  I'm sure the Secret Government is

considering that option.  If that starts occurring

you need to get all of your money into real assets.

Immediately.   Recall the days prior to the French

Revolution in 1789.  And in WEIMAR GERMANY just

prior to Hitler.  It took 100,000 Reichsmarks to

purchase a package of chewing gum.










-Original Message-
From: c. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] Markets hope the worst is over


-Caveat Lector-

oh i do hope not... it is *too* amusing to see the euro valued higher than
the dollar..*

Thursday, 18 July, 2002, 05:58 GMT 06:58 UK
Markets hope the worst is over


A morning bounce in Asia has given investors heart

Share prices around the world have steadied, amid mounting hopes that two
months of sharp declines may be over.
Japan's Nikkei share index closed up 2% at 10,498 points, leading Asia
higher, after Wall Street stocks closed up on Wednesday.
The markets' months of misery
New York Dow:
Down 17.5% from 17 May peak
London FTSE:
Down 20.5% from 15 May peak
Frankfurt Dax:
Down 19.3% from 15 May peak
Paris Cac:
Down 23.1% from 15 May peak
Tokyo Nikkei:
Down 13.2% from 20 May peak
US shares had surged at one point, but the froth came off by the end of the
day - a sign that the mood is still uncertain.
Now, all eyes are on the long list of US corporate results due later in the
day.
US results have been mixed so far, but analysts take comfort from the fact
that investors are starting to pay attention to fundamentals, and may be
shrugging off the gloomy mood of the past few weeks.
Results roster
The main dampener on the market is now the fear that Thursday's earnings
statements will disappoint investors.


Until corporate America cleans up its act or earnings get better, this looks
like a technical bounce

James Volk, DA Davidson
Some of America's biggest hi-tech firms are scheduled to report results,
including Microsoft, eBay, Nortel Networks and Sun Microsystems.
On Wednesday, investors faced a more mixed bag, including Citigroup, Ford,
Boeing, Coca-Cola and IBM.
Although the news was far from uniformly positive, results from Ford,
Coca-Cola and IBM were all cheering.
Companies count
Optimists hope that company results could generally send out a positive
signal, reminding investors that share prices are based on corporate
earnings first and foremost.

Could things be starting to look up?

While the mood in the market has darkened, economic fundamentals have
remained more or less favourable, and companies have tended to report solid
trading conditions.
The markets' somewhat muted response to Wednesday's results - the Dow Jones
index closing just 0.7% higher at 8,534.17 points - was based on the lack of
trust in corporate accounts since the Enron collapse, however.
Until people get their courage back, until corporate America cleans up its
act or earnings get better, this looks like a technical bounce, and
technical bounces have not had any legs in the past, said James Volk of DA
Davidson.
Two months of misery
Major stock markets around the world have now lost up to one-quarter of
their value since the recent peak in mid-May.
Many have plumbed depths well below those hit after 11 September: the FTSE
100 index, for example, has hit lows not seen since the end of 1996.
After 11 September, all major markets plunged, but recovered sharply towards
the end of the year before treading water in the first quarter of 2001.
The recent sharp declines - sparked by the admission that telecom giant
Worldcom had exaggerated its profits - have caused consternation among
policymakers and consumers alike.
Falling share prices generally lead consumers to cut spending, epecially in
the US, and could push the global economy back towards the recession it
flirted with late last year.

How far will they fall?


Key 

Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam

2002-07-18 Thread Mermaid
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Ive watched you on this list and your 
an absolute epitamy of the all american woman and its women like you who 
frighten the good men off and take them for a ride with their money and their 
feelings Dont worry im going off this list with people like you on it I dont 
want to share the same space as you.
I shall miss William Shannon and 
Euphorian and some others but I wont miss you
BITCH
The Mermaid 
xxx

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From: Mermaid I was here when 
Saba was on the list But I get the strong feeling after 
C's last onslaught on me that anything i say will be used to 
furtherhumiliate me If your skin is so thin that 
you consider C's response 'rude', an 'onslaught', and an attempt to 
'humiliate' you, then get off of the Internet, especially this 
list.C's response was not anyof those, and your own 
words adequately 'humiliate' you, nothing anyone says in response to 
them...and I get the strong impression that 
any woman amongst all this male testosterone is apt to feel 
a little overpowered at times...Speak for 
yourself; personally I feel that there isn't so much actual testosterone 
displayed on this list than the posturing facade of such...I have 
absolutely no problem dealing with either display. If you're 
unable to hold your own on your own merit, again this list isn't for 
you...no one's going to be putting on kid gloves just to spare your 
feelings...I guess it is because all the 
people on my list Robots Rebellion 2 are all so 
courteous..I guess it's a question of what one deems 
'courteous', and I assume you impose your own definition on your own 
list; I found absolutely nothing in C's original response to you to be 
DIScourteous, in the usual, Webster-dictionary accepted definition of 
the word. If you define 'courtesy' to mean that everyone should 
agree with you, again this is not the list for you to post to. 
Neither is it the list for you if you expect no one to debate 
you.June



  

  
  


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Re: [CTRL] EARTHS CORE IS ATOMIC REACTOR

2002-07-18 Thread Mike Clark

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http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=2


This article which is in this months DISCOVERY MAGAZINE makes

the point that the earths core is in fact some kind of atomic reactor.

Isnt it curious that this idea has been being put forth by such associations

as the THULE SOCIETY ,  VRIL SOCIETY and EDELWEISS SOCIETY

for over 200 years.   Other writers such as RUDYARD KIPLING and

EDWARD BULWER-LYTTON have also made the same claims.

Not to mention similar claims made by ANTHROPOSOPHICAL SOCIETY

GURU RUDOLF STEINER.  As well as  MANLY PALMER HALL in his SECRET

TEACHINGS of ALL THE AGES also alludes to the same idea.


I also suggest recently released books by PETER MOON in his  BLACK SUN:

THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST-TIBETAN  CONNECTION .   And NICHOLAS GOODRICHE-CLARKS

  BLACK SUN  just released about twelve months ago.

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Re: [CTRL] ROSICRUCIANS IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIDDEN FORCES

2002-07-18 Thread Mike Clark

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Connected to DAVID ICKE's recent book   CHILDREN of the MATRIX 

are the ROSICRUCIANS and their communication with hidden forces

they refer to as the AETHERIANS.   According to IKCE this is an

INTER-DIMENSIONAL RACE with a vibratory rate just slightly higher

than us humans.   You might be interested in seeing JOHN CARPENTERS

1989 film entitled   THEY LIVE .

It seems that ROSICRUCIANS were amongst the signers of the Declaration

of Independence.   One GEORGE CLYMER by name.


http://www.colonialhall.com/biodoi.asp


http://www.colonialhall.com/clymer/clymer.asp


WILLIAM COOPER told me over the telephone that the head master of

the ROSICRUCIAN CULT was one  DOCTOR RHINEHARDT SWINBURNE CLYMER.

This is ONE TIME that BILL COOPER was wrong.  DOCTOR CLYMERS name

was  R. SWINBURNE CLYMER  ,  but the   R  stood for the name of

RUEBEN and not RHINEHARDT  as  Bill stated.   This was all of course before

BILL COOPER was MURDERED by SHERIFFS DEPUTIES in SHOWLO ARIZONA.


Another interesting fact.   The ROSICRUCIANS told me over the telephone

that the LEADER of the AETHERIANS says his name is LUCIFER.  Isnt

that interesting.I dont know.   My take is that the ROSICRUCIANS

are more than just a LITTLE METAPHYSICAL GROUP.


In a book written by DR. H. SPENCER LEWIS in 1935 entitled   THE HIDDEN 
MASTER .

Dr. LEWIS says that the ROSICRUCIANS have TWELVE DEGREES.  And according

to his book the TWELFTH DEGREE is called the ILLUMINATI DEGREE.   Could

it be that FORMER SOCCER STAR DAVID ICKE might be correct.  That his ( ICKE'S )

INTER-DIMENSIONAL RACE are in communication with various CULT GROUPS

such as the ROSICRUCIANS.


And then author NICHOLAS GOODRICHE-CLARKE in his amazing book

 THE OCCULTIC ROOTS of NAZIISM: SECRET ARYAN CULTS  states

that all of the MAJOR OCCULT groups such as the ROSICRUCIANS,

ILLUMINATI ,  MARTINISTS , THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY and the HIGHER

DEGREES of FREEMASONRY are ALL ARYAN CULTS.

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[CTRL] Islam and US Intelligence

2002-07-18 Thread lloyd

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Subject:  Islam and US Intelligence

Interesting article below, but it ignores the posibility of conflicting factions in 
the Anglo-American Imperium.

In other words, Bush may represent different factions than did Clinton!  Bush may be 
reversing the Saudi coddling, Islamic terrorist coddling strategy of Clintion who was 
in bed with the Rockefellers and Vatican.

Bush is in bed with the anti-Clinton forces, ie. the Judeo-Masonic-Anglophile 
factions.  The difference between Clinton and Bush on Israel could scarcely be more 
stark!

Lloyd Miller, A-albionic Research




quote

Who Is Bin Laden? CIA Trains Their Terrorists Well;  (continued) by MICHEL CHOSSUDOVSKY

In the words of former National Security Adviser, Lawrence Eagleburger, I think we 
will show when we get attacked like this, we are terrible in our strength and in our 
retribution. Meanwhile, parroting official statements, the Western media mantra has 
approved the launching of punitive actions directed against civilian targets in the 
Middle East. In the words of William Safire writing in the New York Times: When we 
reasonably determine our attackers' bases and camps, we must pulverize them -- 
minimizing but accepting the risk of collateral damage -- and act overtly or covertly 
to destabilize terror's national hosts. The following text outlines the history of 
Ousmane Bin Laden and the links of the Islamic Jihad to the formulation of US 
foreign policy during the Cold War and its aftermath.


Prime suspect in the New York and Washington terrorists attacks, branded by the FBI as 
an international terrorist for his role in the African US embassy bombings, Saudi 
born Ousmane bin Laden was recruited during the Soviet-Afghan war ironically under 
the auspices of the CIA, to fight Soviet invaders. 1 In 1979 the largest covert 
operation in the history of the CIA was launched in response to the Soviet invasion 
of Afghanistan in support of the pro-Communist government of Babrak Kamal.2: With the 
active encouragement of the CIA and Pakistan's ISI [Inter Services Intelligence], who 
wanted to turn the Afghan jihad into a global war waged by all Muslim states against 
the Soviet Union, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 40 Islamic countries joined 
Afghanistan's fight between 1982 and 1992. Tens of thousands more came to study in 
Pakistani madrasahs.

Eventually more than 100,000 foreign Muslim radicals were directly influenced by the 
Afghan jihad.3 The Islamic jihad was supported by the United States and Saudi Arabia 
with a significant part of the funding generated from the Golden Crescent drug trade: 
In March 1985, President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 
166,...[which] authorize[d] stepped-up covert military aid to the mujahideen, and it 
made clear that the secret Afghan war had a new goal: to defeat Soviet troops in 
Afghanistan through covert action and encourage a Soviet withdrawal. The new covert 
U.S. assistance began with a dramatic increase in arms supplies -- a steady rise to 
65,000 tons annually by 1987, ... as well as a ceaseless stream of CIA and Pentagon 
specialists who traveled to the secret headquarters of Pakistan's ISI on the main road 
near Rawalpindi, Pakistan. There the CIA specialists met with Pakistani intelligence 
officers to help plan operations for the Afghan rebels.4 The Ce!
 ntral Intelligence Agency (CIA) using Pakistan's military Inter-Services Intelligence 
(ISI) played a key role in training the Mujahideen. In turn, the CIA sponsored 
guerrilla training was integrated with the teachings of Islam:

Predominant themes were that Islam was a complete socio-political ideology, that holy 
Islam was being violated by the atheistic Soviet troops, and that the Islamic people 
of Afghanistan should reassert their independence by overthrowing the leftist Afghan 
regime propped up by Moscow.5 Pakistan's Intelligence Apparatus Pakistan's ISI was 
used as a go-between. The CIA covert support to the jihad operated indirectly 
through the Pakistani ISI, - -i.e. the CIA did not channel its support directly to the 
Mujahideen. In other words, for these covert operations to be successful, Washington 
was careful not to reveal the ultimate objective of the jihad, which consisted in 
destroying the Soviet Union. In the words of CIA's Milton Beardman We didn't train 
Arabs. Yet according to Abdel Monam Saidali, of the Al-aram Center for Strategic 
Studies in Cairo, bin Laden and the Afghan Arabs had been imparted with very 
sophisticated types of training that was allowed to them by the !
 CIA 6

CIA's Beardman confirmed, in this regard, that Ousmane bin Laden was not aware of the 
role he was playing on behalf of Washington. In the words of 

[CTRL] China and 9:11

2002-07-18 Thread smilicoyoti

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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/17/2002 11:47:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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 . Why should I find the
 idea of Chinese involvement plausible?


Maybe we are looking at the situation from 2 different directions.

I have close  personal ties to China. I knew the 6th of Sept 2001
that China
had transferred documentation from my company in Guangzhou to the DOD
through
Rupert Murdoch and Time/warner. I knew that the information would be
illegally used by the DOD for the Missile Defense program. It had to
do with
remote control and missile targeting using a system called ROTHR. I
also that
the test would not work. I did not think they would be stupid enough
to put
it on passenger jets. They already knew it is not compatible with the
software the DOD is using.

Furthermore I heard rumors that some of my former employees had been
released
from China to NY's Chinatown to work on renovations at the WTC. I
had sent
a friend to NY to find out who had made it out of China. He was in
JFK
airport when the first plane hit.

China, Israel and the US were working on the project jointly. Until
the Gulf
War Iraq was also on team. The plan called for an INTERNET backbone
to be
built through Central Asia. My company was working on the peaceful
applications of the technology, we were part of the team that was
designing
the backbone. My company was a subsidiary of NORINCO and GDNT and
NORTEL
based in Guangzhou. We also had a liaison with IMI (Israeli Military
Industries).

You are looking at it from Europe. Two different perspectives and
perhaps
they are connected.

Thought this might interest you

China ready to kiss and make up with Israel after Phalcon fiasco
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Wednesday, July 17, 2002
TEL AVIV †China is ready to restore full defense ties with Israel
after
pressure from the United States caused Israel to cancel its sale of
the
Phalcon airborne early-warning system to Beijing.
The United States has quietly warned Israel not to sell strategic
systems to
China.
Israeli parliamentarians touring China and meeting senior officials
said
Beijing has closed the book on the Phalcon episode and wants to
discuss new
defense and military deals with Israel, Middle East Newsline
reported.
The parliamentarians said China has also assured Israel that Beijing
will not
sell weapons of mass destruction to Middle East states. However, a
major
Pentagon report released on July 12 reached the opposite conclusion.

Oct. 16: U.S.: China sells weapons of mass destruction to finance
military  
http://216.26.163.62/2002/ea_china_07_16.html

They have put aside the Phalcon episode and plan to resume relations
as
before the Phalcon, Knesset member Yosef Lapid said.
U.S. officials said Israel and China are discussing the sale of major
defense
and weapons systems, including unmanned air vehicles and a
reconnaissance
satellite.
Lapid was one of three parliamentarians who met their Chinese
counterparts as
well as senior defense officials and strategists last week. The
Israeli
delegation was comprised of members from the powerful Knesset Foreign
Affairs
and Defense Committee.
Another parliamentarian, Ran Cohen, said he would recommend that
Israel
improve its economic relations with China. Cohen said China was eager
to
increase trade and imports from Israel. He did not elaborate.
We also wanted to talk about the economic element and this
particularly was
what China wanted to talk about, Cohen said. China wants very much
to open
a new chapter and increase the level of relations with us. The
Chinese market
is a tremendous challenge for the Israeli economy.
Cohen also said that he was told by China's deputy prime minister
that
Beijing will not sell WMD components or technology to Middle East
countries.
Beijing provided such a pledge to the United States in 2000 but
officials in
Washington said China is continuing such sales.
The visit by the Israeli parliamentary delegation followed that of an
Israeli
military delegation tour of Chinese army bases. The Israeli military
delegation was said to have included the leading researcher in the
Israel's
military technology and logistics division.
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[CTRL] ChevronTexaco oil facility takeovers spread in Nigeria

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Ive watched you on this list and your an absolute epitamy of the all american woman and its women like you who frighten the good men off and take them for a ride with their money and their feelings Dont worry im going off this list with people like you on it I dont want to share the same space as you.
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I was here when Saba was on the list 
But I get the strong feeling after C's last onslaught 
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humiliate me 

If your skin is so thin that you consider C's response 'rude', an 'onslaught', and an attempt to 'humiliate' you, then get off of the Internet, especially this list.

C's response was not any of those, and your own words adequately 'humiliate' you, nothing anyone says in response to them...


and I get the strong impression that any woman 
amongst all this male testosterone is apt to feel 
a little overpowered at times...

Speak for yourself; personally I feel that there isn't so much actual testosterone displayed on this list than the posturing facade of such...I have absolutely no problem dealing with either display. If you're unable to hold your own on your own merit, again this list isn't for you...no one's going to be putting on kid gloves just to spare your feelings...


I guess it is because all the people on my list 
Robots Rebellion 2 are all so courteous..

I guess it's a question of what one deems 'courteous', and I assume you impose your own definition on your own list; I found absolutely nothing in C's original response to you to be DIScourteous, in the usual, Webster-dictionary accepted definition of the word. If you define 'courtesy' to mean that everyone should agree with you, again this is not the list for you to post to. Neither is it the list for you if you expect no one to debate you.


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[CTRL] Study finds Alaska glaciers melting at higher rate

2002-07-18 Thread Steve Wingate

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Study finds Alaska glaciers melting at higher rate

July 18, 2002 Posted: 6:31 PM EDT (2231 GMT)

From Natalie Pawelski
CNN Sci-Tech

(CNN) -- A new study indicates that glaciers in Alaska are melting faster
than previously thought, providing further evidence of global warming,
researchers said Thursday.

Scientists have long warned that global warming -- when heat-trapping gases
force atmospheric temperatures to rise -- could eventually raise sea levels
to a dangerous point by melting ice sheets and glaciers.

The whole issue of global climate change is important to everyone, said
glacier expert Anthony Arendt of the University of Alaska at Fairbanks. The
whole issue of sea-level change affects people who live near the coast quite
directly. Just small changes in sea level can cause very large incursions of
water up along the coast and can destroy valuable property there. It can move
people away from their homes.

Arendt and his colleagues used a technology called laser altimetry to measure
volume changes of 67 Alaskan glaciers over four decades.

Glaciers in Alaska seem to be thinning from the mid-1950s to the mid-1990s,
said Arendt, adding that the thinning rate has about doubled between the mid-
1990s and 2001.

We know that the climate has had to change for that to happen, he said.
Whether or not these changes in climate are due to human influences, that's
not for us to say, but it's possible that it is linked to a larger-scale
change in global climate caused by human activity.

A panel of scientists that regularly reports to the United Nations on global
warming issues has projected that sea level will rise between three inches
and about two-and-a-half feet during this century. But glaciers melting
faster than expected could increase that projection.

The study found that the Alaskan glaciers were thinning enough to produce a
sea-level rise of about .14 millimeters per year -- melting almost twice as
fast as the Greenland ice sheet, the researchers said.

The survey, published in the journal Science, relied on an airborne laser and
a satellite-based global positioning system to plot the glaciers' altitudes
and calculate their volume. Comparisons were then made with topographic maps
from years before the 1990-technology was developed, to extrapolate melting
rates back to the 1950s.

The Environmental Protection Agency says the Earth's temperature has risen
about 1 degree Fahrenheit during the past 100 years, most likely because of
global warming.

Human activities have altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere
through the buildup of greenhouse gases – primarily carbon dioxide, methane,
and nitrous oxide, says a definition posted on the EPA Web site. The heat-
trapping property of these gases is undisputed although uncertainties exist
about exactly how Earth's climate responds to them.


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[CTRL] A protocol for psychic spies

2002-07-18 Thread William Shannon
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A protocol for psychic spies
CIA's 'remote viewers': Minority Report's crime-fighting pre-cogs are not just science fiction

Elizabeth Nickson   
National Post   


In Minority Report, police utilize psychic technology to arrest and convict murderers before they commit their crimes.


Like everyone else in North America -- present and hypothetical future -- I am fascinated by those pre-cogs in Minority Report. Golly, I thought, when the camera first laid eyes on them. Wow. The three ectomorphs floating in the saline-filled tank, hooked up to life support, seeing the future, are a kick-in-the-pants, the money shot in the Spielberg/Cruise thinking person's action film of the summer of 2002.

So how likely is it? Is there precognition, is it possible to travel forward in time and see what's going to happen? Or can you, as the pre-cogs do, too, go backwards and see what actually did happen? Can you harness these skills for policing?

Yes, you can. The CIA is already there. There are pre-cogs already working and they are called psychic spies. Operating in blacked out, secret warehouses nestled in bucolic Virginia industrial parkland, they work for the Department of Defense, the National Security Council and a half dozen other intelligence agencies.

Meet one of them: Dr. David Morehouse, former Army Ranger officer, CIA operative and remote viewer.

"In 1972," he says, "Stanford Research Institute pulled together all the major psychics that they could get temporary security clearances for and could pay, to come in and explore this. And the job of these laser physicists was to take these greatest natural abilities and synthesize these abilities into a protocol under clinical conditions, scientific test conditions and establish a protocol that could be trained, reliable, measurable, credible.

"It took them $50-million and six years of trial and error to develop that protocol. And this is what they came up with: Stages One through Six of co-ordinate remote viewing. The protocol was turned over to the Defense Intelligence Agency in 1982. It was born in a bed of science, managed and governed and washed in a bed of science, and it was used as an intelligence collection technology, with the understanding that it was not 100% accurate, recognizing that it never will be 100% accurate, recognizing that no other intelligence collecting methodologies are 100% accurate, and if any of them were accurate, the others would not exist.

"So remote viewing was developed as one more providing of a picture or pieces of a puzzle. The official Department of Defense definition of remote viewing is 'the learned ability to transcend space and time to view persons, places or things and gather and report intelligence on the same.' "

As Jonathan Marks made clear in his award-winning 1979 book The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, after the Korean War, the CIA went full bore into research and experimentation in mind control, using LSD on unsuspecting civilians, poisoning blacks, prisoners, the mentally disabled and soldiers with various compounds.

In the 1960s, they spiked drinks with LSD at San Francisco parties and whorehouses and hung around to watch the results. One of their long-time operatives, Jim Olson, was given LSD surreptitiously. Not knowing what was happening to him, he threw himself to his death from a hotel window in New York. The first President Bush personally apologized to his widow and children 25 years after the fact.

Morehouse is another of the men formerly involved in espionage and warfare who travel along the seams of the culture, telling fantastic tales. Fifty years old, with a second wife and assistants in tow, this month he pitched up in the University of British Columbia's graduate student basement ballroom to spend a week teaching a handful of people how to do remote viewing.

It would all be easily dismissable -- were Morehouse himself not so completely plausible. Salesmen and sellers of soothing dreams of immortality have been around since the founding of America. Read Frances Trollope's Domestic Manners of the Americans from 1820, and there they are, pricey tonic in hand, and a snappy patter designed to part you from your money.

But Morehouse has a sterling past. Grandson and son of decorated army officers, he was the top cadet commissioned into the regular army in 1979, and served as aide-de-camp for two commanding generals. He was an Airborne Ranger, one of those who are generally thought of as the "Great White Sharks" of the U.S. army. He commanded the army's only separate Airborne Rifle Company, as well as an elite Airborne Ranger Company.

Second in command of the 2nd Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment, Morehouse is, like his forebears, highly and variously decorated. He has a military bearing, blonded spikes on his hair, is stocky, well-built and cool-mannered. He 

[CTRL] Fwd: [global_news_net] GNN - THE ENEMY IS INSIDE THE GATES - PART I

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THE ENEMY IS INSIDE THE GATES

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July 17, 2002



And that is when the American people will realize
that, once again, they are being lied to, to swindle them out of their support
for a war, a war not fought for moral principles but for profit, profit from
oil paid for in the blood of our children.



From: Carl William Spitzer IV [EMAIL PROTECTED]

by Colonel Donn de Grand (US Army - Ret.)



A dedicated group of experienced civilian and military
pilots,  including  combat 
fighter  pilots  and 
commercial airline captains, just finished a marathon 72 hours of  non-stop 
briefings and debate over the current crisis  evolving from 
the  use  of commercial aircraft  as 
cruise  missiles against  the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on September
11.



The so-called terrorist attack was in fact a superbly
executed military operation against the United States, requiring
the utmost professional military skill in command, communications and control.
It was flawless in timing, in the choice of selected aircraft to be used as guided
missiles, and in the coordinated delivery of those missiles to their
pre-selected targets.



As a tactical military exercise against two significant
targets  (world  financial center and the citadel  of 
world strategic military planning), the attack, from a psychological  impact 
on the American public, 
equaled  the  Japanese surprise attack on Pearl
Harbor Dec 7, 1941.



The overriding question: If we are at war, who is the enemy?



The  group  determined 
that the enemy  is  within 
the gates,  that  he has infiltrated into  the 
highest  policy-making  positions 
at the Federal level,  and  has 
absolute control,  not  only of the purse strings, but of  the 
troop build-up  and deployment of
our military  forces,  including active, reserve and National Guard
units.



PRELUDE TO PANIC



The 9-11 activity and horrific destruction of US  property 
and  lives was intentionally meant
to trigger  a  psychological 
and  patriotic reaction on the
part  of 
the  US citizens, which is paving
the way for combined UN activity (using  the 
fig leaf of NATO) for striking key 
targets in both the Middle East/ South Asia and the Balkans. The goal continues
to be ultimate destruction of all national sovereignty and establishment of a global
government.



The trigger for the 9-11 activity was the imminent and unstoppable
world-wide financial collapse, which can only be prevented (temporarily) by a
major war, perhaps to become known as WW III. To bring it off (one more time),
martial law will probably be imposed in the United
  States.



In each  of the major wars
of the  20th  century, 
the financial  manipulators
(located in the City of  London  and New 
York City) had placed the US (and much of  the 
Western world) in a monetary expansion mode, followed by  an 
ever-tightening vice of a gigantic credit squeeze.



We now have two ongoing and tightly controlled simultaneous  events 
(emanating from the two symbolic 
targets  of 9-1):  Alan Greenspan, Fed chairman, promising to
flood  the market with up 

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[CTRL] Fwd: 9-11 Mossad Agents Admit Mission

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Makes you wonder if this could be true,
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Subject: 9-11 Mossad Agents Admit Mission
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ISRAELI AGENTS NABBED ON 9-11 ADMIT: OUR PURPOSE WAS TO DOCUMENT THE EVENT
By Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press Americanfreepress.net
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The jubilant Israeli intelligence agents caught photographing the attacks on
the World Trade Center were allowed to return to Israel where they divulged
the purpose of their mission on a radio program: Our purpose was to
document the event.
The explosive story of the 5 suspicious Israelis seen celebrating while
filming the attacks on the World Trade Center was first reported nationally
in American Free Press shortly after September
11. ABC News recently reported on this story and added a comment that
deserves attention.
The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported that at
least two of the men were Israeli intelligence (Mossad) agents. The Israeli
agents were first seen filming the attack on the WTC while kneeling on the
roof of a white van in the parking lot of a New Jersey apartment building
across the river from lower Manhattan.
They seemed to be taking a movie, the resident who noticed them said. The
men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center
burning in the background, she said. What struck her were the expressions on
the men's faces. They were like happy, you know . They didn't look shocked
to me. I thought it was very strange, she said.
She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate
number of the van and called the police. The FBI was soon on the scene and a
statewide bulletin was issued on the van.
The van belonged to a Mossad front company called Urban Moving Systems.
Around 4 p. m. on Sept. 11, the van was pulled over, and five Israelis:
Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari, all
between 22 and 27 years old, were arrested at gunpoint. One had $4,700 in
cash hidden in his sock while another carried two foreign passports. Box
cutters were found in the van.
WE ARE NOT YOUR PROBLEM
According to the police report, one of the men said they had been on the
West Side Highway in Manhattan during the incident - referring to the
World Trade Center attack. Sivan Kurzberg, the driver, said, We are
Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The
Palestinians are the problem.
The case was turned over to the FBI's Foreign Counterintelligence Section
because the FBI believed Urban Moving Systems was a cover for an Israeli
intelligence operation, ABC reported.
While the FBI searched the company's Weehawken, N. J., offices, removing
boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives, the owner of the
company, Dominic Suter, was allowed to flee the country. When FBI agents
tried to interview Suter a second time they discovered that he had cleared
out of his New Jersey home and fled to Israel.
When ABC reporters visited Urban Moving Systems, it looked as if it had
been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones
were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the
warehouse.
The Israelis had been held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn,
for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States
illegally. Two weeks after their 

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Cooper Craps Out: Pans Ruppert French Book

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JULY 19 - 25, 2002
Dissonance


The September 11 That Never Was
A summer of anti-American paranoia
by Marc Cooper

GIJON, SPAIN -- IT STARTED AS SOON AS I GOT IN THE
airport taxi on the way to this Spanish coastal city's
annual Semana Negra writers' festival. I was scheduled
to participate in a high-profile public panel
discussion billed as The Hidden Truth Behind
September 11. And it seemed everyone in town had more
or less the same question ready to spring on me. Come
on, what really happened on September 11? my driver
probed as he lit up a piercingly pungent stick of
black tobacco, as though threatening to gas the truth
out of me if necessary. Why was the audio missing
from the videotapes of the planes crashing into the
twin towers?

The next afternoon, as I was being interviewed on a
local cable-TV show, the blond Twinkie host -- usually
concerned with matters no stickier than how to keep a
good paella valenciana fluffy -- boldly asked, Do we
really know who flew those planes?

At least these two admitted that we were talking about
planes. Because it seems, nowadays in Europe, that the
further you move up on the informational food chain,
the more humidly fetid the imagination turns when it
comes to Things American. As I prepared to appear on a
writers' roundtable on the hoity-toitiest of
literature programs on Spanish National Television,
the host told me he expected me to lay out the case in
favor of a new Continental best-seller: The
Frightening Fraud by French author Thierry Meyssan.
Its more descriptive title in Spanish -- The Plane
That Didn't Exist -- reveals that the real fraud is
the book itself. Indeed, the cranky Parisian daily
Libération called the book The Frightening Confidence
Trick . . . a tissue of wild and irresponsible
allegations, entirely without foundation.

I politely told my TV host, gracias, but no gracias,
and wiped off my makeup. No way would I perfume this
untreated sewage squeezed between two covers, no
matter how many guaranteed close-ups. The conspiracy
laid out by Meyssan posits that American Airlines
Flight 77, which killed 189 people when it crashed
into the Pentagon on September 11, just plain didn't
exist. Never mind the hundreds of eyewitnesses, who
were all presumably beguiled by a CIA-projected
hologram. According to Meyssan, the hole in the
Pentagon wall was punched by a rocket fired by an
ultra-right-wing faction of the U.S. government
itself. The goal? A modern-day Reichstag, an excuse to
justify a police state.

(Not having read the book, I can only imagine how the
author disposes of the small detail of how the 200
passengers and the fuselage of the real Flight 77 were
clandestinely disposed of.)

In the U.S., fortunately, this sort of dementia is
adhered to by only tiny clusters of full-time
paranoids who can channel KPFK through their top
molars.

But here in the Old World, from Rome to Paris to
Madrid -- and even out here in the provincial boonies
near the Portuguese border -- this excrement is being
lapped up like one big creamy hot-fudge sundae. And it
has achieved real currency. While our local L.A.
conspiracy king -- Michael Ruppert -- is but a lowly
ex­LAPD cop currently commanding only his own Web
site, Mr. Meyssan is president of the Voltaire
Network, a respected French think tank whose
left-of-center research projects have, at least until
now, been considered serious and credible. And his
book, like a handful of similar works, is drawing
bigger audiences on the Left Bank than a Jerry Lewis
film festival.

MANY EXPLANATIONS ARE POSSIBLE FOR THIS MASS European
delusion. Any American 

[CTRL] A Police State in Stars and Stripes

2002-07-18 Thread William Shannon
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http://www.guerrillanews.com/war_on_terrorism/doc589.html



A Police State in Stars and Stripes
M. W. Guzy, July 17, 2002 

When Allied troops stormed the beaches on D-Day, they headed for Berlin. Nobody knew when -- or whether -- they'd get there, but it was generally understood if the city fell, the German Reich would fall with it. In the war on terror, no correspondingly distinct benchmark for victory exists. That's because we're combating an abstraction. 

Had we declared war on Al Qaeda, it might have been possible to define success. However, I'm not the first to point out that "terrorism" is a methodology. It's a way of doing things that justifies violent criminal means by appealing to lofty ends. As that definition covers events ranging from the Boston Tea Party to the LAX shootings, it's clear that any campaign mounted against "terrorism" will likely be a long one. Which brings us to the troubling matter of "dirty bomb suspect" Jose Padilla. 

If he can be forever detained by executive order without so much as a hearing before an independent magistrate, so can anybody else. 

A small-time criminal who underwent a jailhouse conversion to Islam and changed his name to Abdullah Al Muhajir, he was arrested upon return from South Asia, where he allegedly plotted to build a radioactive weapon. The president subsequently declared him an enemy combatant. He's now in a Navy brig pending the cessation of hostilities, which, as we've seen, aren't about to end anytime soon. 

Obviously, the government has a duty to protect the nation from its enemies. This case, however, brings to mind the favorite adage of a former law instructor: "when you change the facts, you change the law" applicable to them. 

The other two nominal Americans nabbed thus far in the present conflict, John Walker Lindh and Yaser Esam Hambi, arguably forfeited their claim to citizenship by fighting on behalf of a foreign power. Each was captured by military forces in a combat zone. 

When your liberty is insured solely by the goodwill and competence of those in charge, you live in a police state.

Padilla, on the other hand, was born in Brooklyn, raised in Chicago and arrested by civilian authorities at O'Hare Airport. As we're all equal before the law, his legal status is the same as any other citizen's. If he can be forever detained by executive order without so much as a hearing before an independent magistrate, so can anybody else. When your liberty is insured solely by the goodwill and competence of those in charge, you live in a police state. 

Because the erosion of rights tends to occur gradually, it's easier seen at a distance. A cabal of Roman Senators, for instance, assassinated Julius Caesar because they feared his growing power. When his successor, Augustus, finally consolidated imperial might, the Senate didn't disband but rather devolved into a ceremonial vestige of the erstwhile Republic. The civil rights of Romans slowly atrophied from inalienable guarantees under the law to mere traditions enjoyed at the pleasure of the emperor. 

Meanwhile, conservative critics ask why I would go to bat for this guy and question where my loyalties lie. The answer to the latter inquiry is that they lie with the American Republic and its rule of law. Which is why Padilla matters. 

M. W. Guzy is a former police detective and school teacher who now writes a weekly column for the St. Louis Post Dispatch.

 




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[CTRL] LA Times, 17 July: a Global Surge in Antisemitism

2002-07-18 Thread Tenorlove

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 July 17, 2002, L.A. Times

 COMMENTARY
 Call It What It Is: a Global Surge of Anti-Semitism

 Amid blindness to hate crimes, something familiar and
 sinister is arising.

 By YOSSI KLEIN HALEVI

 Yossi Klein Halevi, the Israel correspondent for the New
 Republic and a senior writer for the Jerusalem Report,
 is the author of At the Entrance to the Garden of Eden:
 A Jew's Search for Hope


 JERUSALEM -- For more than a year, French Jews have been
 targets of hundreds of violent attacks, initiated mostly
 by Muslim immigrants. Synagogues have been burned,
 cemeteries desecrated and Jews beaten on the streets.
 Yet the French government continues to deny that France
 has an anti-Semitism problem.

 This week, the denial syndrome spread to Toronto, where
 skinheads stabbed to death a Jew outside a kosher pizza
 shop. Despite the fact that the ultra-Orthodox victim was
 easily identifiable as a Jew, Toronto police quickly
 announced that the attack didn't appear to be a hate crime.

 The chances of a murderous skinhead wandering around an
 ultra-Orthodox neighborhood without premeditated intent
 to kill are about as likely as an armed Muslim fanatic
 who just happens to open fire at a counter of Israel's
 national airline. The inability of law enforcement
 agencies to discern a motive in the July 4 shooting into
 a crowd of Jews at Los Angeles International Airport by
 a Muslim extremist who hated Jews and accused Israel of
 deliberately infecting Arabs with AIDS is hardly an
 isolated example of stupidity and self-deception. It's
 part of a worldwide pattern of denial in response to
 increasingly lethal Jew-hatred.

 This week's sentencing in Karachi of the killers of
 Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl is a reminder
 of how the pattern of self-deception works. Just before
 he was decapitated, his kidnappers forced him to tell
 the video camera, I am a Jew, my mother is a Jew.
 Yet the media's coverage of Pearl's execution focused on
 Pearl the American journalist, as if his Jewishness were
 incidental to his murder.

 For the last two years, the Arab world has become
 increasingly dominated by government-incited Jew-hatred.
 Holocaust denial is now mainstream, even among Arab
 intellectuals.

 The official press from Egypt to Saudi Arabia--to say
 nothing of Syria and Iraq--publishes the most vile and
 discredited anti-Semitic slanders, like the medieval
 libel accusing Jews of using blood for ritual observance.

 Yet little notice has been paid by the world to the
 astonishing phenomenon of a great civilization debasing
 itself with hatred and lies. Why the tendency to
 downplay Jew-hatred?

 Partly, perhaps, because decent people find the prospect
 of the return of anti-Semitism, a mere half-century
 after Auschwitz, an unbearable thought.

 Many Jews share that reluctance to face the new reality.
 We want to believe that the Holocaust was an aberration,
 that anti-Semitism, at least as a mainstream phenomenon,
 has exhausted itself in shame.

 Many of us have justifiably criticized the Jewish
 community's obsessive focus on the Holocaust, insisting
 that we teach our children the beauty and power of Jewish
 tradition rather than frighten them into a victim identity.
 But while Jews need to be careful about lapsing into
 hysteria and self-pity, something familiar and sinister
 is stirring again, and we'd be fools to ignore it.

 Not coincidentally, the renewal of seemingly random
 anti-Jewish violence is being accompanied by an
 ideological assault against Zionism and Israel. The
 assault is being led by Muslim extremists and
 anti-globalizers and neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers, a
 bizarre coalition uniting far left and far right. And
 the hatred against Israel is beginning to penetrate
 respectable institutions, including universities.

 Criticizing specific Israeli policies is, of course,
 legitimate; self-criticism is an Israeli national pastime.
 But when the United Nations obsessively searches for a
 nonexistent massacre of Palestinians in Jenin while
 systematically ignoring massacres of Israelis, when the
 only country in the corrupt and violent Middle East to
 be singled out for judgment is Israel, when the context
 of Israel's war for survival is ignored and only Israel's
 self-defense is condemned, when the very existence of
 a Jewish state becomes immoral and the only form of
 nationalism considered racist is Zionism--then the line
 is crossed from legitimate criticism to demonization.
 And the ground is prepared for murder.

 Without identifying the illness, we won't be able to treat
 it. Its name is Jew-hatred, even if some insist on calling
 it everything but what it is.

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[CTRL] Ode To Cynthia

2002-07-18 Thread William Shannon
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Ode To Cynthia
By Israel Shamir
7-18-2

Things must be bad indeed if a woman steps forward to the line of fire. Nature arranged that a woman does not court danger unless her land and her folks are in real trouble. But when she does, she teaches men a lesson of manly behaviour. When France was fading away, a shepherd girl Jeanne d'Arc took a heavy sword and led the flower of French nobles to assault the walls of Orleans. When cities of Republican Spain was strafed by the Nazi Luftwaffe, it was a woman, Dolores Ibarruri, La Pasionaria, who said to her people: it is better to die tall, than to live on your knees. In 1990, when Mikhail Gorbachev led his country to disaster and disintegration, a year before the wealth of Russia was embezzled in privatisation spree, only one person has dared to raise her voice against the dictator in the parliament. She was the indomitable Sashie Umalatov, an MP from the Chechen Mountains.

Now it is the turn of the US to feel the chilly wind of eternity on its face. It came from unexpected direction. People of America became hostage in the hands of a few men with too many dollars in their pockets and endless greed in their hearts. For millennia, the difference of income, education, and standard of living was not so vast in one land. The wealth of the nation could provide every American with a superb education, perfect medical care, happy childhood, secure old age, guaranteed home, and free time to open one' s mind to new thoughts and old friends. America could be on its way to the Golden Age of universal happiness and wisdom.

Instead of it, a small group of men squeezes the nation in order to add another billion to their coffers. They would surely destroy the US by their limitless greed. The devotees of Mammon, they are totally devoid of compassion to the people they live amongst. They do not see the local people as 'their own kind'. If they want to show compassion, they send money to Israel. Out of five dollars American taxpayer gives for aid, four dollars land in the coffers of the Jewish state. They appear unstoppable, as the politicians are scared of them and docilely raise their hands and sign the pledge promising to send more money to Israeli generals. Support of Israel is not a foreign policy. It is the covenant of the Mammonites, and you sign it with blood. With Palestinian blood.

But one woman refused to sign the pledge. One woman, Cynthia McKinney, a member for Georgia, dared to refuse. Four hundred congressmen signed it; they preferred their own personal advancement to the good of the country. Ancestors of Cynthia were slaves in her native Georgia. But she is one of a very few free persons in the US Congress. As we Israelis were used to say about our Golda Meir, she is the only man over there. She is a black woman, but she is the whitest man of them all, they would say before the Politically Correct era. She knew the billions of Israeli aid are needed for the poor people of the United States, for her own Afro-American community. She wanted to uphold the sovereignty of the people and congress of the United States, in face of encroaching servility to the Jewish Lobby.

She is not alone. Another wonderful Afro-American congresswoman, Barbara Lee, cast the only vote against the slaughter in Afghanistan; John Conyers, Jessie Jackson Jr, and Maxine Waters supported the cause of Palestine on different occasions. Ron Paul of Texas voted against all-house resolution sending obsequious greeting to General Sharon. Nick Rahall, John Sununu, David Bonior did not bend.

Cynthia was just more outspoken in seeing the evil. She said[i], "There are many Members of Congress who want to be free. I am one of them. I wanted to be free to vote according to my conscience, but I had been told that if I didn't sign a pledge supporting the military superiority of Israel, no support would come my way. And sure enough, I didn't sign the pledge and no support came my way. I suffered silently year in and year out, because I refused to sign that pledge. And then, like a slave that found a way to buy his freedom... I went to work ... I wanted to be free ... Free to cast the votes in the United States Congress as I saw fit and not as I was dictated to".

Now she stands for re-election, and her chances are dim, as the frightful AIPAC, the spearhead of the organised Jewish community, targeted her. They do not want to see independent and free congressmen on the Capitol Hill. Their huge financial might, network of connections in the media and universities are used to smother every free voice. They succeeded to unseat Earl Hilliard, another Black Congressman, who did not bow to Sharon, and now plan to do Cynthia in. If they succeed, the cause of freedom will suffer a huge setback. If she succeeds, the myth of Jewish omnipotence will evaporate, and America will look towards better days, as support or rejection of segregated Israel speaks volumes 

[CTRL] Nuns' order in secret payouts, eavesdropping w/o first obtaining a court order

2002-07-18 Thread Smart News

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Nuns' order in secret payouts - 7/18/02 By Yvonne Martin A group of 14 women
who were beaten as girls at a Christchurch orphanage have been secretly paid
out by a Catholic order of nuns. The Sisters of the Good Shepherd have paid
out undisclosed sums of money and given written apologies to the women
acknowledging physical abuse at St Joseph's orphanage in Halswell in the
1930s to 1950s. http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1270685a11,FF.html


http://news.com.com/2100-1001-944057.html?tag=politech
House OKs life sentences for hackers  By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com July 15, 2002, 6:00 PM PT
WASHINGTON--The House of Representatives on Monday overwhelmingly approved a
bill that would allow for life prison sentences for malicious computer
hackers.
By a 385-3 vote, the House approved a computer crime bill that also expands
police ability to conduct Internet or telephone eavesdropping without first
obtaining a court order.

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