Re: Shame on trolls

[other.arkitech]

no worries, i understand how this sort of threads can produce unintended damage
you're right, many things come from a forefront defensive barrier given past 
episodes.


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On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:53 PM, John Young  wrote:

> My comment was not aimed at you, a number of folks have posted
> requests to enlist supporters, researchers, funders, for their
> projects. A few have repeated the tequests for many months, became
> irate and accusatory at lack of response. Might wonder if the aim
> is/was to grab free work, or proselitize for an ideology, overcome
> loneliness and isolation, front for others, or to just fuck with
> somebody. All these have been happening on cpunks since its earliest
> days. Lack of moderation allows that abuse or promise. Promises have
> sometimes come true. Moderation never delivers on promises, usually
> suppresses them as off-topic or calling them trolls..
>
> At 06:35 PM 5/26/2020, you wrote:
>
> > > Hey,
> > > It's notable that your software is closed source, and I really
> > > understand open source as what is expected to be supported on this list.
> > > But Punk-Stasi was "flaming" you and you don't need to listen to
> > > that. People aren't censored here. That means random criticism
> > > comes through. Do you need help setting up filters?
> > > K
> >
> > Nah, one thing is criticism and other is a guy calling you
> > repeatedly a scammer when you are showing up your work. That is not
> > precisely good taste.
> > the source code is GPL, but I haven't published it yet, that's all.
> > Is in the roadmap. For reasons it will be released before 1.0
> >
> > > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:06 AM other.arkitech
> > >  wrote:
> > > Dear readers,
> > > My intention is to respond to a public attack against my honesty
> > > and the legitimacy of my proposal.
> > > I am pretty annoyed for the behavior of this individual in the list
> > > towards the system I am presenting here.
> > > I don't know anything about him or her or whether they are a group
> > > of gansters operating the same moniker.
> > > The only thing I know is that they are pushing my project USPS is a
> > > SCAM and thus I am a SCAMMER, or the other way around.
> > > I call to everyone willing to read the landing page of my project,
> > > which I provide a pdf attached,
> > > and, from it and the ideas grasped in this list, manifest IF it
> > > could be deduced that this is a scam, or looks like. Please manifest.
> > > Otherwise, everyone undermining legitimate and respectable projects
> > > run by others, in any stage of development, on any stage in their
> > > roadmap, with counter positive and public undermining attitude.
> > > Those should be IMHO punished with public ashame until an apology
> > > is published by, in this case, PunkStasi.
> > >
> > > I leave it this way,
> > > Please, anyone, let me know reasons for which this email is WRONG
> > > or/and RIGHT.
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > Other Arkitech
> > > The project this subject airs as a scam:
> > > http://otheravu4v6pitvw.onion/http://otheravu4v6pitvw.onion/
> > > Ref:
> > > https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-May/080648.htmlhttps://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-May/080648.html

Re: Shame on trolls

[John Young]

My comment was not aimed at you, a number of folks have posted 
requests to enlist supporters, researchers, funders, for their 
projects. A few have repeated the tequests for many months, became 
irate and accusatory at lack of response. Might wonder if the aim 
is/was to grab free work, or proselitize for an ideology, overcome 
loneliness and isolation, front for others, or to just fuck with 
somebody. All these have been happening on cpunks since its earliest 
days. Lack of moderation allows that abuse or promise. Promises have 
sometimes come true. Moderation never delivers on promises, usually 
suppresses them as off-topic or calling them trolls..



At 06:35 PM 5/26/2020, you wrote:


Hey,
It's notable that your software is closed source, and I really 
understand open source as what is expected to be supported on this list.


But Punk-Stasi was "flaming" you and you don't need to listen to 
that.  People aren't censored here.  That means random criticism 
comes through.  Do you need help setting up filters?

K


Nah, one thing is criticism and other is a guy calling you 
repeatedly a scammer when you are showing up your work. That is not 
precisely good taste.


the source code is GPL, but I haven't published it yet, that's all.
Is in the roadmap. For reasons it will be released before 1.0


On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:06 AM other.arkitech 
<other.arkit...@protonmail.com> wrote:

Dear readers,
My intention is to respond to a public attack against my honesty 
and the legitimacy of my proposal.


I am pretty annoyed for the behavior of this individual in the list 
towards the system I am presenting here.


I don't know anything about him or her or whether they are a group 
of gansters operating the same moniker.
The only thing I know is that they are pushing my project USPS is a 
SCAM and thus I am a SCAMMER, or the other way around.


I call to everyone willing to read the landing page of my project, 
which I provide a pdf attached,
and, from it and the ideas grasped in this list, manifest IF it 
could be deduced that this is a scam, or looks like. Please manifest.


Otherwise, everyone undermining legitimate and respectable projects 
run by others, in any stage of development, on any stage in their 
roadmap, with counter positive and public undermining attitude.
Those should be IMHO punished with public ashame until an apology 
is published by, in this case, PunkStasi.


I leave it this way,
Please, anyone, let me know reasons for which this email is WRONG 
or/and RIGHT.

Thanks.
--
Other Arkitech

The project this subject airs as a scam: 
http://otheravu4v6pitvw.onion/
Ref: 
https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-May/080648.html

Re: Shame on trolls

[other.arkitech]

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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:06 PM, Karl  wrote:

> To comment further, it looks like P-S may have been setting up a little 
> disruption around the difference between the goals of your project and the 
> benefits and failings of existing blockchains, and maybe some other social 
> differences going on.  I can't know why they would do that, but often it's 
> satisfying to see the different people involved learn by getting confused 
> around each other, because it means the confusion is on a path to resolving 
> (even if that resolution involves further conflict).  Blockchains are a 
> high-emotions topic for some: hating or loving them for a variety of reasons. 
>  P-S's interaction with you resulted in you making this post, and us 
> responding to you.

Perhaps I needed some kind idler to come forth with a deodorant.
I am not proud of this post, but, well, that's it. it is what it is.
Thanks for responding any way. I dont really need to get deeper on this shitty 
topic I've created.

: )

> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:02 PM Karl  wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>> It's notable that your software is closed source, and I really understand 
>> open source as what is expected to be supported on this list.
>>
>> But Punk-Stasi was "flaming" you and you don't need to listen to that.  
>> People aren't censored here.  That means random criticism comes through.  Do 
>> you need help setting up filters?
>> K
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:06 AM other.arkitech 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear readers,
>>> My intention is to respond to a public attack against my honesty and the 
>>> legitimacy of my proposal.
>>>
>>> I am pretty annoyed for the behavior of this individual in the list towards 
>>> the system I am presenting here.
>>>
>>> I don't know anything about him or her or whether they are a group of 
>>> gansters operating the same moniker.
>>> The only thing I know is that they are pushing my project USPS is a SCAM 
>>> and thus I am a SCAMMER, or the other way around.
>>>
>>> I call to everyone willing to read the landing page of my project, which I 
>>> provide a pdf attached,
>>> and, from it and the ideas grasped in this list, manifest IF it could be 
>>> deduced that this is a scam, or looks like. Please manifest.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, everyone undermining legitimate and respectable projects run by 
>>> others, in any stage of development, on any stage in their roadmap, with 
>>> counter positive and public undermining attitude.
>>> Those should be IMHO punished with public ashame until an apology is 
>>> published by, in this case, PunkStasi.
>>>
>>> I leave it this way,
>>> Please, anyone, let me know reasons for which this email is WRONG or/and 
>>> RIGHT.
>>> Thanks.
>>> --
>>> Other Arkitech
>>>
>>> The project this subject airs as a scam: http://otheravu4v6pitvw.onion/
>>> Ref: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-May/080648.html

Re: Shame on trolls

[other.arkitech]

> Hey,
> It's notable that your software is closed source, and I really understand 
> open source as what is expected to be supported on this list.
>
> But Punk-Stasi was "flaming" you and you don't need to listen to that.  
> People aren't censored here.  That means random criticism comes through.  Do 
> you need help setting up filters?
> K

Nah, one thing is criticism and other is a guy calling you repeatedly a scammer 
when you are showing up your work. That is not precisely good taste.

the source code is GPL, but I haven't published it yet, that's all.
Is in the roadmap. For reasons it will be released before 1.0

> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:06 AM other.arkitech 
>  wrote:
>
>> Dear readers,
>> My intention is to respond to a public attack against my honesty and the 
>> legitimacy of my proposal.
>>
>> I am pretty annoyed for the behavior of this individual in the list towards 
>> the system I am presenting here.
>>
>> I don't know anything about him or her or whether they are a group of 
>> gansters operating the same moniker.
>> The only thing I know is that they are pushing my project USPS is a SCAM and 
>> thus I am a SCAMMER, or the other way around.
>>
>> I call to everyone willing to read the landing page of my project, which I 
>> provide a pdf attached,
>> and, from it and the ideas grasped in this list, manifest IF it could be 
>> deduced that this is a scam, or looks like. Please manifest.
>>
>> Otherwise, everyone undermining legitimate and respectable projects run by 
>> others, in any stage of development, on any stage in their roadmap, with 
>> counter positive and public undermining attitude.
>> Those should be IMHO punished with public ashame until an apology is 
>> published by, in this case, PunkStasi.
>>
>> I leave it this way,
>> Please, anyone, let me know reasons for which this email is WRONG or/and 
>> RIGHT.
>> Thanks.
>> --
>> Other Arkitech
>>
>> The project this subject airs as a scam: http://otheravu4v6pitvw.onion/
>> Ref: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-May/080648.html

Re: Shame on trolls

[Karl]

To comment further, it looks like P-S may have been setting up a little
disruption around the difference between the goals of your project and the
benefits and failings of existing blockchains, and maybe some other social
differences going on.  I can't know why they would do that, but often it's
satisfying to see the different people involved learn by getting confused
around each other, because it means the confusion is on a path to resolving
(even if that resolution involves further conflict).  Blockchains are a
high-emotions topic for some: hating or loving them for a variety of
reasons.  P-S's interaction with you resulted in you making this post, and
us responding to you.

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:02 PM Karl  wrote:

> Hey,
>
> It's notable that your software is closed source, and I really understand
> open source as what is expected to be supported on this list.
>
> But Punk-Stasi was "flaming" you and you don't need to listen to that.
> People aren't censored here.  That means random criticism comes through.
> Do you need help setting up filters?
>
> K
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:06 AM other.arkitech <
> other.arkit...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear readers,
>> My intention is to respond to a public attack against my honesty and the
>> legitimacy of my proposal.
>>
>> I am pretty annoyed for the behavior of this individual in the list
>> towards the system I am presenting here.
>>
>> I don't know anything about him or her or whether they are a group of
>> gansters operating the same moniker.
>> The only thing I know is that they are pushing my project USPS is a SCAM
>> and thus I am a SCAMMER, or the other way around.
>>
>> I call to everyone willing to read the landing page of my project, which
>> I provide a pdf attached,
>> and, from it and the ideas grasped in this list, manifest IF it could be
>> deduced that this is a scam, or looks like. Please manifest.
>>
>> Otherwise, everyone undermining legitimate and respectable projects run
>> by others, in any stage of development, on any stage in their roadmap, with
>> counter positive and public undermining attitude.
>> Those should be IMHO punished with public ashame until an apology is
>> published by, in this case, PunkStasi.
>>
>> I leave it this way,
>> Please, anyone, let me know reasons for which this email is WRONG or/and
>> RIGHT.
>> Thanks.
>> --
>> Other Arkitech
>>
>> The project this subject airs as a scam: http://otheravu4v6pitvw.onion/
>> Ref: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-May/080648.html
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: Shame on trolls

[Karl]

Hey,

It's notable that your software is closed source, and I really understand
open source as what is expected to be supported on this list.

But Punk-Stasi was "flaming" you and you don't need to listen to that.
People aren't censored here.  That means random criticism comes through.
Do you need help setting up filters?

K

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:06 AM other.arkitech <
other.arkit...@protonmail.com> wrote:

> Dear readers,
> My intention is to respond to a public attack against my honesty and the
> legitimacy of my proposal.
>
> I am pretty annoyed for the behavior of this individual in the list
> towards the system I am presenting here.
>
> I don't know anything about him or her or whether they are a group of
> gansters operating the same moniker.
> The only thing I know is that they are pushing my project USPS is a SCAM
> and thus I am a SCAMMER, or the other way around.
>
> I call to everyone willing to read the landing page of my project, which I
> provide a pdf attached,
> and, from it and the ideas grasped in this list, manifest IF it could be
> deduced that this is a scam, or looks like. Please manifest.
>
> Otherwise, everyone undermining legitimate and respectable projects run by
> others, in any stage of development, on any stage in their roadmap, with
> counter positive and public undermining attitude.
> Those should be IMHO punished with public ashame until an apology is
> published by, in this case, PunkStasi.
>
> I leave it this way,
> Please, anyone, let me know reasons for which this email is WRONG or/and
> RIGHT.
> Thanks.
> --
> Other Arkitech
>
> The project this subject airs as a scam: http://otheravu4v6pitvw.onion/
> Ref: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-May/080648.html
>
>
>
>

RE: Shame on trolls

[other.arkitech]

Not self-promotion, that's not the reason.
Just needed to let out what I think about this.

Those who don't find it arguable in terms of general social behavior can ignore 
this thread.




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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 7:07 PM, John Young  wrote:

> Trying to enlist list or SM members in a groveling campaign of
> self-promotion is as pandemical online as off. Aggrieved lament at
> minimal interest is a necessary fart let, expecting some kind idler
> to come forth with a deodorant, or a mean ass-wipe to hurl turds at
> the stank bitch pleader.
>
> Here you are, this is where to wiggle into a troll-fish-trap.

RE: Shame on trolls

[John Young]

Trying to enlist list or SM members in a groveling campaign of 
self-promotion is as pandemical online as off. Aggrieved lament at 
minimal interest is a necessary fart let, expecting some kind idler 
to come forth with a deodorant, or a mean ass-wipe to hurl turds at 
the stank bitch pleader.


Here you are, this is where to wiggle into a troll-fish-trap.

RE: Shame on trolls

[lolwut]

From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-boun...@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of 
other.arkitech
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May, 2020 10:06 AM
To: CypherPunks
Subject: Shame on trolls

>Dear readers,
>My intention is to respond to a public attack against my honesty and the 
>legitimacy of my proposal.

>I am pretty annoyed for the behavior of this individual in the list towards 
>the system I am presenting here.

>I don't know anything about him or her or whether they are a group of gansters 
>operating the same moniker.
>The only thing I know is that they are pushing my project USPS is a SCAM and 
>thus I am a SCAMMER, or the other way around.

>I call to everyone willing to read the landing page of my project, which I 
>provide a pdf attached, 
>and, from it and the ideas grasped in this list, manifest IF it could be 
>deduced that this is a scam, or looks like. Please manifest.

>Otherwise, everyone undermining legitimate and respectable projects run by 
>others, in any stage of development, on any stage in their roadmap, with 
>counter positive and public undermining attitude.
>Those should be IMHO punished with public ashame until an apology is published 
>by, in this case, PunkStasi. 

>I leave it this way, 
>Please, anyone, let me know reasons for which this email is WRONG or/and RIGHT.
>Thanks.
>--
>Other Arkitech

>The project this subject airs as a scam: http://otheravu4v6pitvw.onion/
>Ref: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-May/080648.html

Punk simply speaks his mind. His attitude is certainly combative, but I would 
say that, in this age of hysteria over such nonsense as "cyberbullying" and 
"online harassment" and "mean words transmitted over the Internet", his 
attitude is a long-overdue antidote.

I would not consider him a troll, unless you define "trolling" as "any unkind 
comment made over the Internet", which is not the correct definition of the 
term.

If you feel wronged by him, then take it up with him, and prove him wrong; 
don't make appeals to the rest of us.

Shame on trolls

[other.arkitech]

Dear readers,
My intention is to respond to a public attack against my honesty and the 
legitimacy of my proposal.

I am pretty annoyed for the behavior of this individual in the list towards the 
system I am presenting here.

I don't know anything about him or her or whether they are a group of gansters 
operating the same moniker.
The only thing I know is that they are pushing my project USPS is a SCAM and 
thus I am a SCAMMER, or the other way around.

I call to everyone willing to read the landing page of my project, which I 
provide a pdf attached,
and, from it and the ideas grasped in this list, manifest IF it could be 
deduced that this is a scam, or looks like. Please manifest.

Otherwise, everyone undermining legitimate and respectable projects run by 
others, in any stage of development, on any stage in their roadmap, with 
counter positive and public undermining attitude.
Those should be IMHO punished with public ashame until an apology is published 
by, in this case, PunkStasi.

I leave it this way,
Please, anyone, let me know reasons for which this email is WRONG or/and RIGHT.
Thanks.
--
Other Arkitech

The project this subject airs as a scam: http://otheravu4v6pitvw.onion/
Ref: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-May/080648.html

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