Re: Bug#112723: Purposely broken/uninstallable packages in archive

2001-09-20 Thread Junichi Uekawa 
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit

> In practise, it might be perfectly safe to install on a normal
> partition. Just that there is no point.  

I think it replaces /sbin/init, so it's not harmless..


Thinking about the merits of having diskless nodes being
able to upgrade, is an important plus.

I think the way to go is to have a Pre-Depends: (or 
is Depends: enough for not allowing packages to install
without something?) on a specific symbol, which is only
available inside the NFS system.




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Re: ncbi-tools6 vs. testing

2001-09-20 Thread Aaron M. Ucko 
Ah, now it's there; yay.  I'm still curious what was holding it up,
though.

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Re: discrepancy in ISO 3166-1 country codes

2001-09-20 Thread David B Harris 
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:40:32 -0500,?f(
  Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:)
q> On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 08:51:26PM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
> > Since your organization is the official authority for maitaining and
> > ISO country codes, I extensively used your page
> > http://www.din.de/gremien/nas/nabd/iso3166ma/ for the last, in need
of
> > a list of ISO 3166 country codes.
> > 
> > The page web claims to list the ISO country codes as used in the
> > Internet.
> > 
> > I note that you list United Kingdom as GB although the TLD for
United
> > Kingdom, as everyone knows is UK.
> 
> The TLD for the United Kingdom does not follow the corresponding ISO
> country code, mainly for historical reasons.
> 
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Re: Purposely broken/uninstallable packages in archive

2001-09-20 Thread Brian May 
> "Norbert" == Norbert Veber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Norbert> From the description of diskless-image-simple: WARNING:
Norbert> This package can and will break your computer. Do not
Norbert> install manually. It should only be installed via the
Norbert> diskless-newimage, part of the diskless package.

Norbert> Why are such things allowed into the archive?  Will these
Norbert> things ever even make it into testing given that they are
Norbert> uninstallable?

Hello,

I no longer maintain diskless-*, but I originally came up with this
idea, so thought I probably should justify my (perhaps broken )
reasons here. IIRC, I posted my reasons on this mailing list
previously, surprisingly though, nobody responded.

Norbert> IMHO. this is a completelly wrong way of going about
Norbert> this.  These packages contain data used by other

Not quite.

It is a package that is designed to get installed on a NFS-root image,
in order to setup the root image in such a way to facilitate booting
on a remote machine.

I made it a *.deb package, because that allows you to use apt-get to
automatically upgrade the package on a *nfs root* partition to the
latest version.

Not only that, but the postinst scripts and postrm scripts will
automatically run, setting up the base directories (especially the
case for diskless-image-secure) using symlinks, etc, required for the
image (I can't remember now what it does, it has been ages).

That means, completely different image layouts can be archived (at
least in theory) only by changing the diskless-image-* package.

In practise, it might be perfectly safe to install on a normal
partition. Just that there is no point.  Also you run the risk that if
installation is interrupted at any time, it will only be half done,
resulting it, say, /var not existing any more (as IIRC, it gets moved
in order to replace it with a symlink). So, why run the risk only to
get a very non-standard system if there is no benefit?  Hence the
warning. In fact, I think there is a primitive check inside the
postinst script to ensure it isn't installed unless everything looks
OK.

Perhaps a better way would be to somehow include the deb packages in
diskless.deb, and somehow upgrade them from diskless.deb. This is
something I was thinking of at the time, but instead gave up
maintainership of the package, since I no longer have time to play
around with diskless systems.

Anyway, I hope this helps explain the situation a bit better. It is
now up to Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (the new maintainer) to
answer the ifs, whats, whens, and whys about dealing with this bug
report.
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Re: discrepancy in ISO 3166-1 country codes

2001-09-20 Thread Colin Watson 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 08:51:26PM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
> Since your organization is the official authority for maitaining and
> ISO country codes, I extensively used your page
> http://www.din.de/gremien/nas/nabd/iso3166ma/ for the last, in need of
> a list of ISO 3166 country codes.
> 
> The page web claims to list the ISO country codes as used in the
> Internet.
> 
> I note that you list United Kingdom as GB although the TLD for United
> Kingdom, as everyone knows is UK.

The TLD for the United Kingdom does not follow the corresponding ISO
country code, mainly for historical reasons.

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Re: questions on ITP

2001-09-20 Thread Colin Watson 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 05:40:32PM +0200, Martin F Krafft wrote:
> i am not yet an official maintainer, but i do already have an advocate
> and sponsor (Colin - what's the status?)

Back from "vacation" and I'll help you now. Tell me if there are any
changes from the last iprelay stuff you sent me and I'll look over it.

>   muttprofile -- manager for mutt profiles
>   bind9-chroot -- convert a bind9 installation to a chroot'd one
>   proftpd-chroot -- convert a proftpd installation to a chroot'd one

Cool. I look forward to seeing these three particularly.

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Re: Purposely broken/uninstallable packages in archive

2001-09-20 Thread Ethan Benson 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 09:58:16AM -0400, Norbert Veber wrote:
> 
> If its not to be installed, it should not be in the archive.  This is like
> going to a restaurant and being told not to eat a certain dish under any
> circumstances because you'll get food poisoning.. :)
> 
> Clearly these pacakges are 'data' files, and should be treated as such. 
> They could just as easily be .tar files (or any format, including .deb) 
> inside of an INSTALLABLE .deb..

do you want boot-floppies or not?  because that won't work with
boot-floppies.  

until the next release after woody when debian-installer may become
viable you have to live with these -bf packages as they currently
exist.  

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Re: default font resolution in X Windows

2001-09-20 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Suarez Soto) writes:

>   So, am I the only one that even in 17" monitors uses 75dpi fonts?

Dunno, I'm using 75dpi fonts on 19 and 21".  Fwiw, the change annoyed
me too.  I'm not using a larger display because my eyes fail me, I'm
using it to get more text on it.

Greetings,
Jan.

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Re: questions on ITP

2001-09-20 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva 
Em Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:40:32 +0200
Martin F Krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:

> however, in the mean time i am happily packaging along and submitting
> ITP's to bugs.debian.org the proper way. However, not once has one of
> these ITPs reached the debian-devel list. they have been confirmed,
> but they haven't been posted. am i doing something wrong, or do i
> actually need to be debian developer to submit these?
you should read the developer's reference and the bts' docs about this...
you need to include a special header on you email...

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Re: Running dpkg -r foo from a postinst script?

2001-09-20 Thread Ola Lundqvist 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 02:17:43PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Colin Watson wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 06:11:53PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote:
> > > I have a simple question. Is it possible to run dpkg -r foo
> > > from within a postinst-script when using dselect or apt?
> > > 
> > > What is the result?
> > 
> > You can't do it directly, as dpkg has locked the status file at that
> > point. The sgmltools-lite (?) maintainer tried hacking around that by
> > waiting for the lock to be released once, and it immediately got a
> > justifiable grave bug; the race conditions are ugly. Don't do it.
> 
> So, then we dpkg developers should add this ability.
> 
> Some of the code already exists to do this, it'll be a variation of
> --command-pipe.

That sounds cool. Will they be runned on the end of the dpkg run
or on next run? I prefer on the end of this run (or optionally the
next one).

Regards,

// Ola

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Re: Running dpkg -r foo from a postinst script?

2001-09-20 Thread Ola Lundqvist 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 09:16:00PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> What you really want to do is to implement
> Recommanded-Conflicts: brokenmailer, etcpassoire, trivialtohackftpd
> or even 
> Suggested-Conflicts: easyr00ted, lametelnetd
> Right ?
> 
> Well, creates an
> harden-recommanded-conflicts package
> that conflicts with brokenmailer, etcpassoire, trivialtohackftpd
> and a harden-suggested-conflicts package
> that conflicts with easyr00ted, lametelnetd
> 
> Then make task-harden to Recommands: harden-recommanded-conflicts and
> Suggests: harden-suggested-conflicts.

Well I'll have to make a lot of packages then:

harden-servers-recommended-conflicts
harden-servers-suggested-conflicts
harden-clients-recommended-conflicts
harden-clients-suggested-conflicts
harden-localflaws-recommended-conflicts
harden-localflaws-suggested-conflicts
harden-remoteflaws-recommended-conflicts
harden-remoteflaws-suggested-conflicts

That sounds to me, to be quite a lot of unnecessary packages.

> It is not the real things, but closer than removing packages, because
> it last after installation.(your scheme does not prevend etcpassoire too
> be installed after task-harden)
> (the real thing woud be to have a handful of packages 
> harden-conflict-brokenmailer,harden-conflict-etcpassoire,
> harden-conflict-trivialtohackftpd etc... that each conflicts with the
> named package, but it lead to half dozen stupid virtual package more.)
> 
> Also consider how works task-packages:

Well I have changed task-harden to harden because it is not a real task
package. Task packages should not conflict anything. Tasksel does not
support that though (as I have heard).

> It is an empty package.  We install it. We got all the Depended, Recommended
> packages.  Afterward we can remove it safely, without affecting these 
> packages.
> So if tasken-harden conflicts with easyr00ted and  I really need/want
> easyr00ted, I can remove task-harden after it has been successfully installed
> and install easyr00ted.
> 
> If too many people object that conflict in task package are evil, then 
> use an intermediate package as described above.

The thing is that sometimes it is better to have a package installed
than to remove it. For example the *flaws packages can change on the
way. And if you do not note the REMOVE line when using apt and/or
dselect you will suddenly have some packages removed. And that can
be a bad thing if used on a production server. I have had quite a lot
complains about that.


But that is not the most informative part. Sometimes I want to ask
the user if he/she want the package installed and inform about the
risks. Information is a good part of securing the server.

Regards,

// Ola

> HTH,
> 
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please test this lintian release

2001-09-20 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry 
http://people.debian.org/~shaleh/lintian.

Re: questions on ITP

2001-09-20 Thread Chris Lawrence 
On Sep 20, Martin F Krafft wrote:
> i am not yet an official maintainer, but i do already have an advocate
> and sponsor (Colin - what's the status?)
> 
> however, in the mean time i am happily packaging along and submitting
> ITP's to bugs.debian.org the proper way. However, not once has one of
> these ITPs reached the debian-devel list. they have been confirmed,
> but they haven't been posted. am i doing something wrong, or do i
> actually need to be debian developer to submit these?

They won't be sent to debian-devel unless you specifically request a
CC or X-Debbugs-CC to the list.  By the way, if you use 'reportbug wnpp'
it will handle this for you automagically.

For now, I recommend just sending an email to debian-devel that lists
all of the ITPs along with the "standard info" you submitted to the
bts for each ITP.


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Re: Graphing Debian Lists

2001-09-20 Thread Wichert Akkerman 
Previously Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
>  The graphs are indeed nice, what did you use to make them?

The graphs say `rrdtool', which is a pretty good hint :)

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Re: questions on ITP

2001-09-20 Thread Andrew Suffield 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 05:40:32PM +0200, Martin F Krafft wrote:
> however, in the mean time i am happily packaging along and submitting
> ITP's to bugs.debian.org the proper way. However, not once has one of
> these ITPs reached the debian-devel list. they have been confirmed,
> but they haven't been posted. am i doing something wrong, or do i
> actually need to be debian developer to submit these?

ITPs are not posted to debian-devel unless the submitter explicitly
X-Debbugs-CC:s them (which is not obligatory). They go to debian-wnpp.

Please identify the document which suggested they would be sent to
-devel and file a bug on it.

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Re: questions on ITP

2001-09-20 Thread Gergely Nagy 
You can either Cc: debian devel, or add a X-Debbugs-Cc: header (works
like Cc, but includes the bug# in the subject too).

IIRC, it is documented somewhere in the doc-debian package.

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Re: [Maxima] Future of maxima

2001-09-20 Thread C Y 

--- Paulo Ney de Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> I would like to volunteer to maintain the
> documentation.

As to the documentation, I believe all we have right
now are a few examples, man pages and a manual
describing the functions.  A more friendly, complete
manual (using docbook maybe?) would be of considerable
help, but would also be a lot of work.  Any thoughts?

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Re: A language by any other name

2001-09-20 Thread Keith G. Murphy 
John Hasler wrote:
> 
> > that.
> 
> Surely there are locales for welsh and Scottish gaelic?
> --
I should think not.  Those are two *very* different Celtic languages.

Re: Running dpkg -r foo from a postinst script?

2001-09-20 Thread Adam Heath 
On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Colin Watson wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 06:11:53PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote:
> > I have a simple question. Is it possible to run dpkg -r foo
> > from within a postinst-script when using dselect or apt?
> > 
> > What is the result?
> 
> You can't do it directly, as dpkg has locked the status file at that
> point. The sgmltools-lite (?) maintainer tried hacking around that by
> waiting for the lock to be released once, and it immediately got a
> justifiable grave bug; the race conditions are ugly. Don't do it.

So, then we dpkg developers should add this ability.

Some of the code already exists to do this, it'll be a variation of
--command-pipe.

Re: default font resolution in X Windows

2001-09-20 Thread Alan Shutko 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Suarez Soto) writes:

>   So, am I the only one that even in 17" monitors uses 75dpi fonts?

Are you using 75dpi fonts on a 75dpi monitor, or just using 75dpi
fonts because you like them?

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Re: Running dpkg -r foo from a postinst script?

2001-09-20 Thread Bill Allombert 
What you really want to do is to implement
Recommanded-Conflicts: brokenmailer, etcpassoire, trivialtohackftpd
or even 
Suggested-Conflicts: easyr00ted, lametelnetd
Right ?

Well, creates an
harden-recommanded-conflicts package
that conflicts with brokenmailer, etcpassoire, trivialtohackftpd
and a harden-suggested-conflicts package
that conflicts with easyr00ted, lametelnetd

Then make task-harden to Recommands: harden-recommanded-conflicts and
Suggests: harden-suggested-conflicts.

It is not the real things, but closer than removing packages, because
it last after installation.(your scheme does not prevend etcpassoire too
be installed after task-harden)
(the real thing woud be to have a handful of packages 
harden-conflict-brokenmailer,harden-conflict-etcpassoire,
harden-conflict-trivialtohackftpd etc... that each conflicts with the
named package, but it lead to half dozen stupid virtual package more.)

Also consider how works task-packages:

It is an empty package.  We install it. We got all the Depended, Recommended
packages.  Afterward we can remove it safely, without affecting these packages.
So if tasken-harden conflicts with easyr00ted and  I really need/want
easyr00ted, I can remove task-harden after it has been successfully installed
and install easyr00ted.

If too many people object that conflict in task package are evil, then 
use an intermediate package as described above.

HTH,

Bill. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Graphing Debian Lists

2001-09-20 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon 
>> Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 > I have taken the opportunity to create some nice (or not?) graphics of
 > the mailing lists that Debian serves on lists.debian.org.  I have
 > analysed both the posting frequency and the total list of subscribers.

 The graphs are indeed nice, what did you use to make them?

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questions on ITP

2001-09-20 Thread Martin F Krafft 
hi guys,
i am not yet an official maintainer, but i do already have an advocate
and sponsor (Colin - what's the status?)

however, in the mean time i am happily packaging along and submitting
ITP's to bugs.debian.org the proper way. However, not once has one of
these ITPs reached the debian-devel list. they have been confirmed,
but they haven't been posted. am i doing something wrong, or do i
actually need to be debian developer to submit these?

the packages i would like to contribute:

  iprelay -- user space bandwidth limitation and relay daemon
  ipcalc -- ipv4 parameter calculator
  muttprofile -- manager for mutt profiles
  bind9-chroot -- convert a bind9 installation to a chroot'd one
  proftpd-chroot -- convert a proftpd installation to a chroot'd one
  
there are also many more in preparation.

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discrepancy in ISO 3166-1 country codes

2001-09-20 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut 
Hello,

Since your organization is the official authority for maitaining and ISO
country codes, I extensively used your page 
http://www.din.de/gremien/nas/nabd/iso3166ma/ for
the last, in need of a list of ISO 3166 country codes.

The page web claims to list the ISO country codes as used in the Internet.

I note that you list United Kingdom as GB although the TLD for United Kingdom,
as everyone knows is UK.

Can you in some way explain or justify this ?

Thanks.
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Re: default font resolution in X Windows

2001-09-20 Thread David Starner 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 07:37:59PM +0200, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote:
> On Sep/20/2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
> 
> > Because of the popularity of 17" and larger monitors, and the fact that
> > the dpi's actually in use are closer to 100dpi than 75dpi these days.
> 
>   So, am I the only one that even in 17" monitors uses 75dpi fonts?

Come on guys, it's a configuration choice. Change it and go on with your
life. It's against Debian's Social Contract to use our proprietary 
Read Your Mind technology, so we have to pick a default, and 100dpi is it.

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Re: A language by any other name

2001-09-20 Thread Josip Rodin 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 04:37:45PM +0100, Nick Phillips wrote:
> Besides, it was probably the ignorant Brits on the committee that decided
> on the codes that insisted that they didn't like "UK" :(

Well, UK is rather improper for a country code, because that is an acronym
for a generic term. Same with US. Yeah, I know that everybody knows which
kingdom or states they refer to, but it still feels wrong...

http://www.everything2.com/?node=Avoid%20Ethnocentrism

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Re: default font resolution in X Windows

2001-09-20 Thread Roberto Suarez Soto 
On Sep/20/2001, Branden Robinson wrote:

> Because of the popularity of 17" and larger monitors, and the fact that
> the dpi's actually in use are closer to 100dpi than 75dpi these days.

So, am I the only one that even in 17" monitors uses 75dpi fonts?

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Re: Bug#66135: libtool_1.3.5-1(unstable): wrapping of binaries fails with -D__LIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL__

2001-09-20 Thread Ossama Othman 
Hi,

On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 04:09:38PM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote:
> ehm... this bug seems to be preventing lots of packages to make in
> testing, shouldn't it get some more attention?

I was under the impression this bug was fixed in libtool 1.4.x.  Is
that not the case?

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Re: Purposely broken/uninstallable packages in archive

2001-09-20 Thread Eduard Bloch 
#include 
Norbert Veber wrote on Thu Sep 20, 2001 um 09:58:16AM:

> If its not to be installed, it should not be in the archive.  This is like
> going to a restaurant and being told not to eat a certain dish under any
> circumstances because you'll get food poisoning.. :)

What is the problem? The -bf versions are either not dangerous, or the
conflict with their big brothers which are essential (like e2fsprogs),
so they cannot be installed unless the user has been warned explicitely.
And even then, some people maybe want to install the reduced-size
packages because of small harddisk or so (like parted-bf).

Gruss/Regards,
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Re: A language by any other name

2001-09-20 Thread John Hasler 
Nick Phillips writes:
> Besides, it was probably the ignorant Brits on the committee that decided
> on the codes that insisted that they didn't like "UK" :(

But GB is listed opposite "United Kingdom", not "Great Britain".  A
political compromise, I guess.

I assume residents of Northern Ireland supposed to use GB?  BTW, there
appears to be no Welsh locale.
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Re: default font resolution in X Windows

2001-09-20 Thread Branden Robinson 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 06:10:44PM +0200, Matthias Berse wrote:
> Anyway, could you, Branden point out, or give me a pointer to, why
> this change happened from using 75dpi to 100dpi? I just want a good
> reason to give to all those people, who tell me the fontsize sucks.

Because of the popularity of 17" and larger monitors, and the fact that
the dpi's actually in use are closer to 100dpi than 75dpi these days.

It's not 1990 anymore.

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Re: default font resolution in X Windows

2001-09-20 Thread Matthias Berse 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 07:10:47AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 01:22:00PM +0200, Matthias Berse wrote:
> > meaning it should be changed back?! Anyway my main concern about the
> > font resolution is that many programs break, because they expect the
> > fonts being 75dpi.
> 
> File bugs against those programs.
Haha, this is indeed hard to achieve since I hate 100dpi fonts and
won't use them, coz they need too much space on my CRT. This is why I
notice this problems only once in a while, before changing
fontsizes...

Anyway, could you, Branden point out, or give me a pointer to, why
this change happened from using 75dpi to 100dpi? I just want a good
reason to give to all those people, who tell me the fontsize sucks.

Thanks,

Matthias
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Re: A language by any other name

2001-09-20 Thread Nick Phillips 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 07:42:53AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Nick writes:
> > So using "GB" as a country code is incorrect, as Great Britain is *NOT* a
> > country, really.
> 
> You better have a talk with the ISO about that.

[grin]

There are enough fucked-up standards out there that one more won't hurt...
...much.

Besides, it was probably the ignorant Brits on the committee that decided
on the codes that insisted that they didn't like "UK" :(

And in oh-so-many other areas we also have to live with such things. We're
known as "Great Britain" in various sports, but when England play football/
rugby/whatever, they usually misappropriate the UK national anthem (while
the Scots, Welsh, and Northern Irish do their own thing)... we do end up
using "Land of Hope and Glory" occasionally.

Maybe there's a difference between a "nation" and a "country", too.


Point being, if most of us don't have a clue where we belong to, how should
the ISO or anyone else be expected to get it right?


Cheers,


Nick
(mix up a chunk of English with a bit of Welsh, lay a veneer of British
over the result, and throw in a dash of UK...)
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Re: /bin/ls is impure!

2001-09-20 Thread Pekka Lampila 
On 19.09.2001, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Norbert Veber wrote:
> 
> > Interesting.  How did you obtain the environment dump?
> 
> "set", with no arguments. May be a bashism, though. Not sure.

I used the env program.

~$ env --version
env (GNU sh-utils) 2.0.11
~$ env|grep SHELL
SHELL=/bin/bash
~$ env|grep COLUMNS
COLUMNS=169
~$ purity > /dev/null
~$ env|grep COLUMNS
COLUMNS=49151

On 20.09.2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Pekka Lampila wrote:
> > Actually it's not.
>·
> Actually it is, your shell probably just sets COLUMNS dynamically instead of
> using it as a normal environment vairable.

Well, I have to believe my eyes. I surely did not resize xterm to 49151
columns (or anything else for that matter) :)

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Re: Purposely broken/uninstallable packages in archive

2001-09-20 Thread Steve Greenland 
On 19-Sep-01, 18:16 (CDT), Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> read the description for xfsprogs-bf and e2fsprogs-bf, your NOT
> SUPPOSED to install them.  we need them for boot-floppies.  

Fine. Why are they in the main archive? If it's so that the bf can
access them over the net, then they can and should go into a special
archive.

Steve

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Re: Bug#66135: libtool_1.3.5-1(unstable): wrapping of binaries fails with -D__LIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL__

2001-09-20 Thread Domenico Andreoli 
ehm... this bug seems to be preventing lots of packages to make in
testing, shouldn't it get some more attention?

thanks

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Re: Purposely broken/uninstallable packages in archive

2001-09-20 Thread Norbert Veber 
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 03:16:13PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 11:01:24AM -0400, Norbert Veber wrote:
> > packages such as diskless-image-secure, diskless-image-simple, xfsprogs-bf,
> > e2fsprogs-bf should automatically qualify for grave or even critical bugs
> > for breaking your system if installed.
> 
> read the description for xfsprogs-bf and e2fsprogs-bf, your NOT
> SUPPOSED to install them.  we need them for boot-floppies.  
> 
> with at least the -bf packages the user has to explicity type `yes
> please wreck my system' or something like that into apt before it will
> proceed, if they are that determined to shoot thier own foot, let them.

If its not to be installed, it should not be in the archive.  This is like
going to a restaurant and being told not to eat a certain dish under any
circumstances because you'll get food poisoning.. :)

Clearly these pacakges are 'data' files, and should be treated as such. 
They could just as easily be .tar files (or any format, including .deb) 
inside of an INSTALLABLE .deb..

Thanks,

Norbert


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Re: [Maxima] Future of maxima

2001-09-20 Thread Raymond Toy 
> "Camm" == Camm Maguire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Camm> Greetings!  And thanks for the help that you can give!
Camm> Raymond Toy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> > "Camm" == Camm Maguire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
Camm> Is there any interest in forming a group to continue the development
Camm> and maintenance of maxima?  I for one would certainly be interested in
>> 
>> Richard Stallman has asked for volunteers for a new maintainer for gcl
>> and maxima.
>> 

Camm> Do you know where I can read up on this, and to see if there were any 
replies?

I saw one notice one the clisp mailing list.  I suspect that
volunteers would respond privately to him instead of in public.

If you want the message, I can dig it up.  It was just a sentence
similar to what I said.

Ray

Re: 请教(help!)

2001-09-20 Thread ha shao 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 02:45:18PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
>  我从网上下载了xcin_2.5.2-1.deb这个软件。可是我不知道怎么使用。请帮忙。
> （I　download the "xcin_2.5.2-1.deb",but I don't know how to use it.Please 
> help me for it.)

Please use English in this list.
If you want to use Chinese, you can go to 
debian-chinese-gb/debian-chinese-big5 mailing list.
see http://lists.debian.org

to install xcin_2.5.2-1.deb, do:
  dpkg --install xcin_2.5.2-1.deb

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Re: 请教(help!)

2001-09-20 Thread MH 
(Followup-To:  debian-user@lists.debian.org)

There you'll get the appropriate answers ...

(your friend is dpkg -i xxx.deb ; but you should have a look at the
debian package-management: man dpkg ; man apt-get ; man dselect ;or
just install the apt-dpkg-ref and/or apt-howto packages for example
[after looking up how to achieve this ;-])

Bye,

MH

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Re: A language by any other name

2001-09-20 Thread John Hasler 
Nick writes:
> So using "GB" as a country code is incorrect, as Great Britain is *NOT* a
> country, really.

You better have a talk with the ISO about that.
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Re: default font resolution in X Windows

2001-09-20 Thread Branden Robinson 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 01:22:00PM +0200, Matthias Berse wrote:
> meaning it should be changed back?! Anyway my main concern about the
> font resolution is that many programs break, because they expect the
> fonts being 75dpi.

File bugs against those programs.

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Re: default font resolution in X Windows

2001-09-20 Thread Matthias Berse 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 11:08:48AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> Matthias Berse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So why has this change made? Sorry if that's an faq. Maybe the answer
> > should be included in the note.
> 
> I just wanted to start arguing that 100dpi matched the real
> resolution usually better than 75dpi, but it is the other way round.
> 
> 15''CRT (~14'' viewable) : 10.866''x8.15''
>  @800x600 73.6 dpi. Imho unusable 1024*786 94.2dpi.
> 19''CRT: viewable size 36.5cm*27.4cm=14.37''*10.787''
>  @1024*786 71.3 dpi, 1152*864 80.2 dpi, 1280*960 89 dpi,
>  1600*1200 111 dpi.
> 15''TFT: 12''*9''
>  1024*786 85.3 dpi
> cu andreas
meaning it should be changed back?! Anyway my main concern about the
font resolution is that many programs break, because they expect the
fonts being 75dpi. So either rvert to 75dpi per default, or one would
need to fix trillions of lines of code, make all those programs check
font resolution. Sure, the latter approach would be the correct long
term solution, but right now, the user is served much better with my
first proposal, IMHO.

Thanks,

Matthias
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Re: A language by any other name

2001-09-20 Thread Nick Phillips 
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 02:37:15PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:

> While en_GB is english as spoken in Great Britain.  Perhpas one of the
> residents thereof can explain the difference.

Great Britain == England, Wales, Scotland
United Kingdom == England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland
British Isles == England, Wales, Scotland, All of Ireland, and probably a
few other bits and bobs into the bargain.

Full name of the UK is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland".

So using "GB" as a country code is incorrect, as Great Britain is *NOT* a
country, really.



Cheers,


Nick "not a pedant" Phillips

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>Synopsis: 
>Class: sw-bug
Distribution: Red Hat Linux release 6.2 (Zoot)
System: Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686 unknown


Debugging information:
(no debugging symbols found)...
Core was generated by `/usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator 
-irix-session-management /usr/doc/HTML/'.
Program terminated with signal 3, Quit.
#0  0x401dbcb5 in __sigprocmask (how=2, set=0x8d9c778, oset=0x0)
at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigprocmask.c:49
#0  0x401dbcb5 in __sigprocmask (how=2, set=0x8d9c778, oset=0x0)
at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigprocmask.c:49
#1  0x401db899 in __libc_siglongjmp (env=0x8d9c75c, val=1)
at ../sysdeps/generic/longjmp.c:37
#2  0x893cc0f in _PR_Schedule ()
#3  0x893c487 in _PR_CondWait ()
#4  0x893c96b in PR_Wait ()
#5  0x89337de in PR_CWait ()
#6  0x893ee90 in _PR_IOWait ()
#7  0x893f553 in select ()
#8  0x400e6d1c in _XWaitForReadable () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
#9  0x400e78f8 in _XRead () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
#10 0x400e8342 in _XReply () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
#11 0x400d3ee0 in XGetWindowAttributes () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
#12 0x83b81db in XfeIsViewable ()
#13 0x8359d1a in XFE_Menu::updateCommand ()
#14 0x8359c10 in XFE_Menu::updateCommand_cb ()
#15 0x835b2e6 in XFE_NotificationCenter::dispatchCallbacks ()
#16 0x835b255 in XFE_NotificationCenter::notifyInterested ()
#17 0x834a390 in XFE_EnableClicking ()
#18 0x83dca7d in NET_IsSafeForNewContext ()
#19 0x83dcad4 in NET_InterruptWindow ()
#20 0x8854337 in XP_InterruptContext ()
#21 0x8309b0d in XFE_Frame::doClose ()
#22 0x831aee5 in XFE_MozillaApp::XFE_MozillaApp ()
#23 0x831af03 in XFE_MozillaApp::closeFrames ()
#24 0x831b0d4 in XFE_MozillaApp::exit ()
#25 0x831c031 in fe_Exit ()
#26 0x401dbc68 in __restore ()
at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/sigaction.c:127
#27 0x830e1a1 in XFE_HTMLView::getURL ()
#28 0x82f4f12 in XFE_BrowserFrame::getURL ()
#29 0x82f5359 in fe_showBrowser ()
#30 0x834ba32 in xfe2_MakeNewWindow ()
#31 0x82ce47e in fe_MakeNewWindow ()
#32 0x82cdd02 in fe_MakeWindow ()
#33 0x82bf4ee in main ()
#34 0x401d59cb in __libc_start_main (main=0x82be1b4 , argc=3, 
argv=0xb9f4, init=0x827f0c0 <_init>, fini=0x89467fc <_fini>, 
rtld_fini=0x4000ae60 <_dl_fini>, stack_end=0xb9ec)
at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:92
#0  0x401dbcb5 in __sigprocmask (how=2, set=0x8d9c778, oset=0x0)
at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigprocmask.c:49
49  in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigprocmask.c
resultvar = 27328
saved_errno = 0
how = 2
#1  0x401db899 in __libc_siglongjmp (env=0x8d9c75c, val=1)
at ../sysdeps/generic/longjmp.c:37
env = (struct __jmp_buf_tag *) 0x8d9c75c
val = 1
#2  0x893cc0f in _PR_Schedule ()
No symbol table info available.
#3  0x893c487 in _PR_CondWait ()
No symbol table info available.
#4  0x893c96b in PR_Wait ()
No symbol table info available.
#5  0x89337de in PR_CWait ()
No symbol table info available.
#6  0x893ee90 in _PR_IOWait ()
No symbol table info available.
#7  0x893f553 in select ()
No symbol table info available.


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Bug#112885:

2001-09-20 Thread Telmo Frias 
Package: general
Severity: normal
Version: 

>Synopsis: 
>Class: sw-bug
Distribution: Red Hat Linux release 6.2 (Zoot)
System: Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686 unknown


Debugging information:
(no debugging symbols found)...
Core was generated by `/usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator 
-irix-session-management /usr/doc/HTML/'.
Program terminated with signal 3, Quit.
#0  0x401dbcb5 in __sigprocmask (how=2, set=0x8d9c778, oset=0x0)
at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigprocmask.c:49
#0  0x401dbcb5 in __sigprocmask (how=2, set=0x8d9c778, oset=0x0)
at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigprocmask.c:49
#1  0x401db899 in __libc_siglongjmp (env=0x8d9c75c, val=1)
at ../sysdeps/generic/longjmp.c:37
#2  0x893cc0f in _PR_Schedule ()
#3  0x893c487 in _PR_CondWait ()
#4  0x893c96b in PR_Wait ()
#5  0x89337de in PR_CWait ()
#6  0x893ee90 in _PR_IOWait ()
#7  0x893f553 in select ()
#8  0x400e6d1c in _XWaitForReadable () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
#9  0x400e78f8 in _XRead () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
#10 0x400e8342 in _XReply () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
#11 0x400d3ee0 in XGetWindowAttributes () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
#12 0x83b81db in XfeIsViewable ()
#13 0x8359d1a in XFE_Menu::updateCommand ()
#14 0x8359c10 in XFE_Menu::updateCommand_cb ()
#15 0x835b2e6 in XFE_NotificationCenter::dispatchCallbacks ()
#16 0x835b255 in XFE_NotificationCenter::notifyInterested ()
#17 0x834a390 in XFE_EnableClicking ()
#18 0x83dca7d in NET_IsSafeForNewContext ()
#19 0x83dcad4 in NET_InterruptWindow ()
#20 0x8854337 in XP_InterruptContext ()
#21 0x8309b0d in XFE_Frame::doClose ()
#22 0x831aee5 in XFE_MozillaApp::XFE_MozillaApp ()
#23 0x831af03 in XFE_MozillaApp::closeFrames ()
#24 0x831b0d4 in XFE_MozillaApp::exit ()
#25 0x831c031 in fe_Exit ()
#26 0x401dbc68 in __restore ()
at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/sigaction.c:127
#27 0x830e1a1 in XFE_HTMLView::getURL ()
#28 0x82f4f12 in XFE_BrowserFrame::getURL ()
#29 0x82f5359 in fe_showBrowser ()
#30 0x834ba32 in xfe2_MakeNewWindow ()
#31 0x82ce47e in fe_MakeNewWindow ()
#32 0x82cdd02 in fe_MakeWindow ()
#33 0x82bf4ee in main ()
#34 0x401d59cb in __libc_start_main (main=0x82be1b4 , argc=3, 
argv=0xb9f4, init=0x827f0c0 <_init>, fini=0x89467fc <_fini>, 
rtld_fini=0x4000ae60 <_dl_fini>, stack_end=0xb9ec)
at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:92
#0  0x401dbcb5 in __sigprocmask (how=2, set=0x8d9c778, oset=0x0)
at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigprocmask.c:49
49  in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sigprocmask.c
resultvar = 27328
saved_errno = 0
how = 2
#1  0x401db899 in __libc_siglongjmp (env=0x8d9c75c, val=1)
at ../sysdeps/generic/longjmp.c:37
env = (struct __jmp_buf_tag *) 0x8d9c75c
val = 1
#2  0x893cc0f in _PR_Schedule ()
No symbol table info available.
#3  0x893c487 in _PR_CondWait ()
No symbol table info available.
#4  0x893c96b in PR_Wait ()
No symbol table info available.
#5  0x89337de in PR_CWait ()
No symbol table info available.
#6  0x893ee90 in _PR_IOWait ()
No symbol table info available.
#7  0x893f553 in select ()
No symbol table info available.

Re: default font resolution in X Windows

2001-09-20 Thread Andreas Metzler 
Matthias Berse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  You should be aware that, by default, xinit (and thus startx) starts the X
>>  server using the "-dpi 100" argument, which forces the X server to treat
>>  the display as having 100 dots per inch.
[...]
> So why has this change made? Sorry if that's an faq. Maybe the answer
> should be included in the note.

I just wanted to start arguing that 100dpi matched the real
resolution usually better than 75dpi, but it is the other way round.

15''CRT (~14'' viewable) : 10.866''x8.15''
 @800x600 73.6 dpi. Imho unusable 1024*786 94.2dpi.
19''CRT: viewable size 36.5cm*27.4cm=14.37''*10.787''
 @1024*786 71.3 dpi, 1152*864 80.2 dpi, 1280*960 89 dpi,
 1600*1200 111 dpi.
15''TFT: 12''*9''
 1024*786 85.3 dpi
cu andreas
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Re: Debian testing - uninstallable packages

2001-09-20 Thread Martin Schulze 
Andrew M. Bishop wrote:
> [ I sent this to debian-testing a month ago, but the mailing list   ]
> [ doesn't exist anymore - it is not archived at http://list.debian.org/ ]
> [ If there is a more appropriate list for this discussion let me know.  ]

The list does exist.  For some reason it wasn't archived anymore, which
I had changed recently.  Check out 
.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: proposal for an Apache (web server) task force

2001-09-20 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon 
>> Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 > As an alternative Ardo could invent [EMAIL PROTECTED] as
 > simple alias.

 Out of curiosity: what is required in order for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 to be distributed to several people?  Is this automated?

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Re: proposal for an Apache (web server) task force

2001-09-20 Thread Martin Schulze 
Martin F Krafft wrote:
> also sprach Ardo van Rangelrooij (on Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:42:44AM)
> > I would like to propose to form an Apache (web server) task force to
> > maintain the Apache packages currently maintained by Johnie Ingram
> > (netgod) (and potentially related packages if the need arises).
> 
> count me in.
> 
> > I also propose to set up a mailing list for this.
> 
> i can give you one easily. applying at lists.debian.org takes ages!
> how about [EMAIL PROTECTED] :)

I'd appreciate that!  As Debian Listmaster I don't like too small and
unused lists.  Thus first demonstrate need, e.g. by running an active
list somewhere else, then ask for a regular Debian list.

As an alternative Ardo could invent [EMAIL PROTECTED] as
simple alias.

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Re: Running dpkg -r foo from a postinst script?

2001-09-20 Thread Ola Lundqvist 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 01:23:03AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Ola Lundqvist wrote:
> > How it it done when the base system is istalled? It removes (it the
> > user tells so) the pcmcia and ppp packages.
> 
> That's not run from dpkg but from a special script that is run during
> system boot. Why not simply use Conflicts?

There is a problem with conflicts. Because sometimes in some
configurations a special package is needed but the administrator have
configured it in a special way to avoid the security flaws.

It would also be good to advice the user in a better way. Like suggest
fetchmail-ssl instead of fetchmail.

But probably I'm looking for a script that should be runned after
the package is installed.

Regards,

// Ola

> Wichert.
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Re: Running dpkg -r foo from a postinst script?

2001-09-20 Thread Ola Lundqvist 
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 03:49:28PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> 
> On 19-Sep-2001 Ola Lundqvist wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > I have a simple question. Is it possible to run dpkg -r foo
> > from within a postinst-script when using dselect or apt?
> > 
> > What is the result?
> > 
> > It whould be very helpful when creating the improved harden
> > packages. :)
> > 
> 
> You just got nominated as the latest winner in the lintian contest!  Soon you
> too will have a lintian check named after you.

*laugh* Well ... :) .. ok. I got the point.

Regards,

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Re: [Maxima] Future of maxima

2001-09-20 Thread Tuukka Toivonen 
On 19 Sep 2001, Camm Maguire wrote:

> Is there any interest in forming a group to continue the development
> and maintenance of maxima?  I for one would certainly be interested in

Definitely. Unfortunately, Maxima is very alien to me. I have been
learning LISP just to work with Maxima, but unfortunately I'm still
very poor in it and even less with Maxima codebase.

For a few months I'll probably be quite busy--until I'll graduate
with MSc in information engineering.

Maybe there could be some central maintainer who would distribute
the list of things-to-do into Maxima mailing list? And then anybody
could reply, "I'll do it", who can do it.

I already made a patch to add GNU readline support and fixed some
problems with build (I think the problems exist with glibc2.06).
These were not accepted, but it's hard to me to improve those.

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Re: Purposely broken/uninstallable packages in archive

2001-09-20 Thread Junichi Uekawa 
severity 112723 critical
thanks

David Starner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit

> On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 02:20:31PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> > This is, IMO a bogus bug.
> > Go and fix a real bug. There are enough already.
> 
> A package that will do grave damage to your system if installed
> is not a real bug? 

Define grave damage.

But yes, a machine will not boot after installing this package.
Maybe this was a grave bug after all.

I am overloaded at the moment, and if someone can play around
and test this thing, any help would be appreciated.

I am thinking  of something in the line of building the .deb file and 
installing it somewhere in 
/usr/lib/diskless/




regards,
junichi

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Re: Purposely broken/uninstallable packages in archive

2001-09-20 Thread David Starner 
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 02:20:31PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> This is, IMO a bogus bug.
> Go and fix a real bug. There are enough already.

A package that will do grave damage to your system if installed
is not a real bug? 

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Re: iso 8859-6 fonts

2001-09-20 Thread David Starner 
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 04:03:11PM -0700, Sulaiman Fahad Alhasawi wrote:
>  I dont find any packge that supports iso 8859-6
>  -- that is arabic fonts .

Try iso10646-1 fonts. The fixed fonts at 10x20, 9x15, 9x15B and helvR12
all have most of the Arabic characters, as does the GNU Unifont. You
might want to submit a bug on xfonts-base-transcoded for making 8859-6
fonts from those.
 
>  Do you need some arabic people to participate 
>  in arabic fonts  project ? It would be my pleasure .

This mailing list is the wrong mailing list for this. Try debian-i18n,
or better yet, the lists at arabeyes.org (a site for Arabizing Unix.)

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Re: A language by any other name

2001-09-20 Thread Junichi Uekawa 
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit

> IIRC, the UK is England, Wales and Scotland, while Great Britain includes
> Northern Ireland, and a few other colonies.

The other way around.

UK is the country, GB is the island.

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Re: Purposely broken/uninstallable packages in archive

2001-09-20 Thread Junichi Uekawa 
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit

A note.

> Good. Send me a patch.
> I will apply it.

... after woody, probably.

It has been there since potato, and I don't think I will make a last 
minute change to a package.

This is, IMO a bogus bug.
Go and fix a real bug. There are enough already.



regards,
junichi

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