Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Meelis Roos

Hello Meelis,

Perhaps of interest ... i was being hit with the qla2xxx driver panics as well 
on my v880.
I unplugged the second FCAL loop to the backplane, and this fixed it.

Perhaps this is something you could try?


I have not tried on my V880 but I got similar trouble on V480.

But where is the secondary loop on SB1000/E280R (having the same mainboard)? 
Hmm,
come to think of it, there is a connector marked with double arrow, the back of 
mainboard but I do
not think I have seen any cable that would fit there.

--
Meelis Roos



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Rick Leir
Oracle Linux .. for Intel processors? Please ask him about Oracle Linux for 
Sparc. I would like to give it a try if they have it. Thanks -- Rick

On May 9, 2019 5:00:52 PM EDT, Dennis Clarke  wrote:
>On 5/9/19 4:44 PM, Meelis Roos wrote:
>>> Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade
>2000
>>> should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of
>>> those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks.
>Anyways I
>>> will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out
>of
>>> the box.
>> 
>> Yes, I should try it on some sun4u too. And probably bare hardware
>sun4v -
>> all my sparcs run Linux natively.
>> 
>> About Blade 1x00/2x00 and E280R: they use qla2xxx for root disks and
>last
>> I tried this was broken in the kernel. It may be better now but older
>
>> Symbios
>> and newer MPT etc controllers would probably be a safer try if you
>have 
>> them
>> available.
>> 
>
>My problem is that I have way too much sparc hardware in life and no
>real up to date OS to run. Sure Solaris 10 is still around and barely
>supported but it is horrific for performance. I was just speaking with
>an Oracle salesrep about the new 5GHz T8 and he assures me that Oracle
>has Linux running there. Oracle Linux v6 and v7 run there. He says.
>Well
>I see Oracle Linux as just a variation on the RHEL sources.
>
>
>-- 
>Dennis Clarke
>RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC
>UNIX and Linux spoken
>GreyBeard and suspenders optional

-- 
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Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Rick Leir
Yes, and most homes have that plug behind the stove in the kitchen and for the 
dryer in the laundry room. It is easy to wire up another like this in the 
contact breaker panel. Cheers -- Rick

On May 9, 2019 4:02:57 PM EDT, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 
 wrote:
>On 5/9/19 9:59 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote:
>> The big blocker for me is that the M4000 needs 240V power supply.
>> Otherwise I would run it at home.
>I thought you can get 240 volts in the US when using a two-phase
>power outlet.
>
>Adrian
>
>-- 
> .''`.  John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
>: :' :  Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org
>`. `'   Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de
>  `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546  0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913

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Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Kevin Stabel
Hello Meelis,

Perhaps of interest ... i was being hit with the qla2xxx driver panics as
well on my v880.
I unplugged the second FCAL loop to the backplane, and this fixed it.

Perhaps this is something you could try?

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 11:03 PM Meelis Roos  wrote:

> > Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade 2000
> > should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of
> > those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. Anyways I
> > will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out of
> > the box.
>
> Yes, I should try it on some sun4u too. And probably bare hardware sun4v -
> all my sparcs run Linux natively.
>
> About Blade 1x00/2x00 and E280R: they use qla2xxx for root disks and last
> I tried this was broken in the kernel. It may be better now but older
> Symbios
> and newer MPT etc controllers would probably be a safer try if you have
> them
> available.
>
> --
> Meelis Roos
>
>


Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Meelis Roos

Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade 2000
should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of
those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. Anyways I
will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out of
the box.


Yes, I should try it on some sun4u too. And probably bare hardware sun4v -
all my sparcs run Linux natively.

About Blade 1x00/2x00 and E280R: they use qla2xxx for root disks and last
I tried this was broken in the kernel. It may be better now but older Symbios
and newer MPT etc controllers would probably be a safer try if you have them
available.

--
Meelis Roos



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Dennis Clarke

On 5/9/19 4:44 PM, Meelis Roos wrote:

Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade 2000
should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of
those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. Anyways I
will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out of
the box.


Yes, I should try it on some sun4u too. And probably bare hardware sun4v -
all my sparcs run Linux natively.

About Blade 1x00/2x00 and E280R: they use qla2xxx for root disks and last
I tried this was broken in the kernel. It may be better now but older 
Symbios
and newer MPT etc controllers would probably be a safer try if you have 
them

available.



My problem is that I have way too much sparc hardware in life and no
real up to date OS to run. Sure Solaris 10 is still around and barely
supported but it is horrific for performance. I was just speaking with
an Oracle salesrep about the new 5GHz T8 and he assures me that Oracle
has Linux running there. Oracle Linux v6 and v7 run there. He says. Well
I see Oracle Linux as just a variation on the RHEL sources.


--
Dennis Clarke
RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC
UNIX and Linux spoken
GreyBeard and suspenders optional



Re: I have to ask .. has anyone tried SPARC T7 ? SPARC S7? SPARC T8?

2019-05-09 Thread Dennis Clarke

On 5/9/19 4:20 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

On 5/9/19 10:18 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote:

I had some S7-2 units in a project and was fairly impressed with what
they could do. Of all things they were MySql servers and with fibre
attached storage they were really impressive units.

Just curious if anyone has seen or tried this sort of hardware with a
Debian installer image.


I only know of Oracle folk who have these machines and they told me that
Debian installs just fine inside an LDOM on these machines.



Ah, good to know. If I see another project with that sort of hardware
then I would snag a unit for testing.



I would take an S7 in a heartbeat, but they are currently too expensive.


They are the lightweight T7 sort. Regardless, not competitive with Xeon.
The new SPARC T8 looks to be a supercomputer monster slayer. With the
older M-series gear I was running LACP over bonded 10Gbit for storage
and that worked very very well. The real issue was that the price was
simply over the top for trivial implementations and most managers just
don't "see" the value in long term rock solid stability. The S7 units
were used as backend transaction processors and MySql ran amazingly
well there.

--
Dennis Clarke
RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC
UNIX and Linux spoken
GreyBeard and suspenders optional



Re: I have to ask .. has anyone tried SPARC T7 ? SPARC S7? SPARC T8?

2019-05-09 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 5/9/19 10:18 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote:
> I had some S7-2 units in a project and was fairly impressed with what
> they could do. Of all things they were MySql servers and with fibre
> attached storage they were really impressive units.
> 
> Just curious if anyone has seen or tried this sort of hardware with a
> Debian installer image.

I only know of Oracle folk who have these machines and they told me that
Debian installs just fine inside an LDOM on these machines.

I would take an S7 in a heartbeat, but they are currently too expensive.

Adrian

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: :' :  Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org
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Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Dennis Clarke

On 5/9/19 4:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

On 5/9/19 9:59 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote:

The big blocker for me is that the M4000 needs 240V power supply.
Otherwise I would run it at home.

I thought you can get 240 volts in the US when using a two-phase
power outlet.


Well a UPS is needed also. So an APC5000 series or similar as well as
the 240 volt supply.  No matter how I slice it there is a bucket of
money to spend to get the same performance a ninety dollar ASUS arm7
Tinkerboard can do.

However 256G of memory and 16 processor cores at 2.66GHz is real hard
to get anywhere else.

--
Dennis Clarke
RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC
UNIX and Linux spoken
GreyBeard and suspenders optional



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread James Clarke
On 9 May 2019, at 20:31, Frank Scheiner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Adrian,
> 
> On 5/9/19 18:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the
>> following Debian Ports architectures:
>> [...]
>>  * sparc64
>> 
>> I uploaded both CD images [1] as well as netboot images [2].
>> 
>> Please test those images and report back over the mailing list for
>> the corresponding architecture.
>> 
>> Known issues:
>> [...]
>>  * sparc64
>>- Installation over a serial console is currently broken
>>  on sparc64 due to a bug in the rootskel package
>>  (can also be considered a kernel bug), see: #926539.
>>  Use any image before 2019-04-06 as workaround.
> 
> Looks like this doesn't affect sun4u machines, at least this ISO worked
> for my v245 using the serial console without any problems. Nice work! :-D

Yes; it's an issue with how Linux exposes sun4v hypervisor consoles.

James



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 5/9/19 9:59 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote:
> The big blocker for me is that the M4000 needs 240V power supply.
> Otherwise I would run it at home.
I thought you can get 240 volts in the US when using a two-phase
power outlet.

Adrian

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: :' :  Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org
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Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 5/9/19 9:55 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote:
> Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade 2000
> should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of
> those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. Anyways I
> will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out of
> the box.

Unless you are installing inside an LDOM, your serial console will be fine.

Adrian

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: :' :  Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org
`. `'   Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de
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Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 5/9/19 9:31 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
>>     - Installation over a serial console is currently broken
>>   on sparc64 due to a bug in the rootskel package
>>   (can also be considered a kernel bug), see: #926539.
>>   Use any image before 2019-04-06 as workaround.
> 
> Looks like this doesn't affect sun4u machines, at least this ISO worked
> for my v245 using the serial console without any problems. Nice work! :-D

To be clear: This affects machines using the ttyHV serial console driver
that is used for LDOMs. This does not affect machines using other serial
console drivers. It's a bug in the ttyHV driver and I'm still trying to
convince upstream to fix it.

> Just one odd thing: I didn't see any kernel messages when booting from
> the installer disc. I assumed that there might be a `quiet` in the
> kernel command line, but editing the GRUB menu options showed no
> arguments for the kernel command line at all for the "default" option,
> just "boot_one" IIRC.
This is in line with all the other architectures. The GRUB configuration
comes from there. Best would be to read the installation manual for ppc64el
to see if there are any options documented which allow verbose booting.

Adrian

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Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Dennis Clarke

On 5/9/19 3:33 PM, Meelis Roos wrote:

[2] also has some further reading about this topic. Maybe you get in
touch with Meelis Roos, who started a thread titled "Adding support for
Fujitsu SPARC64 machines?" on the linux-sparc mailing list (see [3])
some years ago. Maybe this can be revived.



[3]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc=142067252101925=2


I'm actually here on this list. But no, nothing came out of my plan -
because of lack of time from my side and the student going away.

I still have the PP450 wired up and ready to run if power is turned on from
xscf, so if there is someone else taking it on, I can offer PP450 access.
M4000, PP650 and PP250 are away in storage.



The big blocker for me is that the M4000 needs 240V power supply.
Otherwise I would run it at home.


--
Dennis Clarke
RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC
UNIX and Linux spoken
GreyBeard and suspenders optional



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Meelis Roos

[2] also has some further reading about this topic. Maybe you get in
touch with Meelis Roos, who started a thread titled "Adding support for
Fujitsu SPARC64 machines?" on the linux-sparc mailing list (see [3])
some years ago. Maybe this can be revived.



[3]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc=142067252101925=2


I'm actually here on this list. But no, nothing came out of my plan -
because of lack of time from my side and the student going away.

I still have the PP450 wired up and ready to run if power is turned on from
xscf, so if there is someone else taking it on, I can offer PP450 access.
M4000, PP650 and PP250 are away in storage.

--
Meelis Roos



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Dennis Clarke

On 5/9/19 3:31 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:

Hi Adrian,

On 5/9/19 18:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the
following Debian Ports architectures:
[...]
  * sparc64

I uploaded both CD images [1] as well as netboot images [2].

Please test those images and report back over the mailing list for
the corresponding architecture.

Known issues:
[...]
  * sparc64
    - Installation over a serial console is currently broken
  on sparc64 due to a bug in the rootskel package
  (can also be considered a kernel bug), see: #926539.
  Use any image before 2019-04-06 as workaround.


Looks like this doesn't affect sun4u machines, at least this ISO worked
for my v245 using the serial console without any problems. Nice work! :-D

Just one odd thing: I didn't see any kernel messages when booting from
the installer disc. I assumed that there might be a `quiet` in the
kernel command line, but editing the GRUB menu options showed no
arguments for the kernel command line at all for the "default" option,
just "boot_one" IIRC.


Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade 2000
should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of
those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. Anyways I
will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out of
the box.


--
Dennis Clarke
RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC
UNIX and Linux spoken
GreyBeard and suspenders optional



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Frank Scheiner

Hi Adrian,

On 5/9/19 18:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the
following Debian Ports architectures:
[...]
  * sparc64

I uploaded both CD images [1] as well as netboot images [2].

Please test those images and report back over the mailing list for
the corresponding architecture.

Known issues:
[...]
  * sparc64
- Installation over a serial console is currently broken
  on sparc64 due to a bug in the rootskel package
  (can also be considered a kernel bug), see: #926539.
  Use any image before 2019-04-06 as workaround.


Looks like this doesn't affect sun4u machines, at least this ISO worked
for my v245 using the serial console without any problems. Nice work! :-D

Just one odd thing: I didn't see any kernel messages when booting from
the installer disc. I assumed that there might be a `quiet` in the
kernel command line, but editing the GRUB menu options showed no
arguments for the kernel command line at all for the "default" option,
just "boot_one" IIRC.

Cheers,
Frank



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Dennis Clarke





It can't be that that much of an issue, because OpenBSD runs on these
machines (according to [4] and my tests on serveral PRIMEPOWER 250s).
And for the Linux kernel you can actually see some Linux kernel messages
before the machine experiences a red state exception...

[4]: http://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html


I avoid the openbsd people and try to just look to freebsd :

https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=233579

Which actually is making good progress in the IBM Power9 world on the
TALOS as well as on ye old ppc64 PowerMac units and sparc is in progress
also. With ZFS everywhere.

Anyways, that is well off topic.

dc



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Frank Scheiner

On 5/9/19 20:01, Dennis Clarke wrote:

I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for
the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine?

Or even M4000 ?


I'm starting to wonder if my mails about ...


No I am not ignoring you.

I simply didn't recall over my coffee this morning.

I have not looked at linux on sparc in ... nearly forever.  Possibly an
actual forever. There is no reason to think about it. Now I see from my
hardware list on hand there is even less reason to even bother testing.

Thanks for listening.


Please don't mind, I was just a little upset, as I assumed my mails on
this topic were just wasted.

[2] also has some further reading about this topic. Maybe you get in
touch with Meelis Roos, who started a thread titled "Adding support for
Fujitsu SPARC64 machines?" on the linux-sparc mailing list (see [3])
some years ago. Maybe this can be revived.

[2]: https://wiki.debian.org/Sparc64#Installing_the_Debian_SPARC64_Port

[3]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc=142067252101925=2



I appreciate your patience and perserverance. I seem to have way way too
many little irons in the fire and too many machines running to recall
all the bits about all of them.  I don't think I am alone in that
experience.

In my mind an Oracle M4000 with 256G of memory and a stack of processor
cores is a terrible waste.  Baffles me that it can not run with even
some basic sparc v9 type mode. Regardless the devices are most likely an
issue also.


It can't be that that much of an issue, because OpenBSD runs on these
machines (according to [4] and my tests on serveral PRIMEPOWER 250s).
And for the Linux kernel you can actually see some Linux kernel messages
before the machine experiences a red state exception...

[4]: http://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Dennis Clarke

On 5/9/19 1:52 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:

On 5/9/19 19:42, Dennis Clarke wrote:

On 5/9/19 1:35 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:

Hi Dennis,

On 5/9/19 18:29, Dennis Clarke wrote:

On 5/9/19 12:24 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

Hello!

I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the
following Debian Ports architectures:

  * alpha
  * hppa
  * ia64
  * m68k
  * powerpc
  * ppc64
  * sh4
  * sparc64


I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for
the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine?

Or even M4000 ?


I'm starting to wonder if my mails about ...


No I am not ignoring you.

I simply didn't recall over my coffee this morning.

I have not looked at linux on sparc in ... nearly forever.  Possibly an
actual forever. There is no reason to think about it. Now I see from my
hardware list on hand there is even less reason to even bother testing.

Thanks for listening.


Please don't mind, I was just a little upset, as I assumed my mails on
this topic were just wasted.

[2] also has some further reading about this topic. Maybe you get in
touch with Meelis Roos, who started a thread titled "Adding support for
Fujitsu SPARC64 machines?" on the linux-sparc mailing list (see [3])
some years ago. Maybe this can be revived.

[2]: https://wiki.debian.org/Sparc64#Installing_the_Debian_SPARC64_Port

[3]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc=142067252101925=2



I appreciate your patience and perserverance. I seem to have way way too
many little irons in the fire and too many machines running to recall
all the bits about all of them.  I don't think I am alone in that
experience.

In my mind an Oracle M4000 with 256G of memory and a stack of processor
cores is a terrible waste.  Baffles me that it can not run with even
some basic sparc v9 type mode. Regardless the devices are most likely an
issue also.


--
Dennis Clarke
RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC
UNIX and Linux spoken
GreyBeard and suspenders optional



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Frank Scheiner

On 5/9/19 19:42, Dennis Clarke wrote:

On 5/9/19 1:35 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:

Hi Dennis,

On 5/9/19 18:29, Dennis Clarke wrote:

On 5/9/19 12:24 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

Hello!

I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the
following Debian Ports architectures:

  * alpha
  * hppa
  * ia64
  * m68k
  * powerpc
  * ppc64
  * sh4
  * sparc64


I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for
the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine?

Or even M4000 ?


I'm starting to wonder if my mails about ...


No I am not ignoring you.

I simply didn't recall over my coffee this morning.

I have not looked at linux on sparc in ... nearly forever.  Possibly an
actual forever. There is no reason to think about it. Now I see from my
hardware list on hand there is even less reason to even bother testing.

Thanks for listening.


Please don't mind, I was just a little upset, as I assumed my mails on
this topic were just wasted.

[2] also has some further reading about this topic. Maybe you get in
touch with Meelis Roos, who started a thread titled "Adding support for
Fujitsu SPARC64 machines?" on the linux-sparc mailing list (see [3])
some years ago. Maybe this can be revived.

[2]: https://wiki.debian.org/Sparc64#Installing_the_Debian_SPARC64_Port

[3]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc=142067252101925=2

Cheers,
Frank



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Dennis Clarke

On 5/9/19 1:35 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:

Hi Dennis,

On 5/9/19 18:29, Dennis Clarke wrote:

On 5/9/19 12:24 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

Hello!

I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the
following Debian Ports architectures:

  * alpha
  * hppa
  * ia64
  * m68k
  * powerpc
  * ppc64
  * sh4
  * sparc64


I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for
the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine?

Or even M4000 ?


I'm starting to wonder if my mails about ...


No I am not ignoring you.

I simply didn't recall over my coffee this morning.

I have not looked at linux on sparc in ... nearly forever.  Possibly an
actual forever. There is no reason to think about it. Now I see from my
hardware list on hand there is even less reason to even bother testing.

Thanks for listening.


--
Dennis Clarke
RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC
UNIX and Linux spoken
GreyBeard and suspenders optional



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Frank Scheiner

Hi Dennis,

On 5/9/19 18:29, Dennis Clarke wrote:

On 5/9/19 12:24 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

Hello!

I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the
following Debian Ports architectures:

  * alpha
  * hppa
  * ia64
  * m68k
  * powerpc
  * ppc64
  * sh4
  * sparc64


I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for
the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine?

Or even M4000 ?


I'm starting to wonder if my mails about "Linux not working on Fujitsu's
SPARC64 V(+) and possibly later processors" don't reach you or if you
just ignore them. E.g. I sent [1] directly to you and the debian-sparc
list about a week ago and seem to remember that we "talked" about this
same topic already last year. Nevertheless, maybe you just try if your
Mx000s boot the installer ISO, at least GRUB should work.

[1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2019/05/msg0.html

Cheers,
Frank



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 5/9/19 6:34 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote:
>> I have never touched any of those machines, but from what I know some of
>> the Fujitsu machines aren't supported by the Linux kernel.
> 
> Oh dear.

Well, you can try whether it boots.

Adrian

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Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Dennis Clarke

On 5/9/19 12:32 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

On 5/9/19 6:29 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote:

I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for
the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine?

Or even M4000 ?

I have never touched any of those machines, but from what I know some of
the Fujitsu machines aren't supported by the Linux kernel.


Oh dear.

Currently I have a machine sitting around doing a lot of nothing all
day and running Solaris 10 :

jupiter #
jupiter # uname -a
SunOS jupiter 5.10 Generic_150400-65 sun4u sparc SUNW,SPARC-Enterprise

jupiter # psrinfo -pv
The physical processor has 8 virtual processors (0-7)
  SPARC64-VII+ (portid 1024 impl 0x7 ver 0xa1 clock 2860 MHz)

jupiter # prtconf -v | grep 'Memory'
Memory size: 65536 Megabytes
jupiter #

Seems a waste really.

Dennis



Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 5/9/19 6:29 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote:
> I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for
> the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine?
> 
> Or even M4000 ?
I have never touched any of those machines, but from what I know some of
the Fujitsu machines aren't supported by the Linux kernel.

Frank knows more on this.

Adrian

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Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread Dennis Clarke

On 5/9/19 12:24 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

Hello!

I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the
following Debian Ports architectures:

  * alpha
  * hppa
  * ia64
  * m68k
  * powerpc
  * ppc64
  * sh4
  * sparc64


I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for
the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine?

Or even M4000 ?


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Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09

2019-05-09 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello!

I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the
following Debian Ports architectures:

 * alpha
 * hppa
 * ia64
 * m68k
 * powerpc
 * ppc64
 * sh4
 * sparc64

I uploaded both CD images [1] as well as netboot images [2].

Please test those images and report back over the mailing list for
the corresponding architecture.

Known issues:

 * alpha
   - There have been reports about missing firmware for storage devices.
 The firmware required for these devices is located in the
 "firmware-linux" and "firmware-linux-nonfree" packages but currently
 don't have a floppy driver in debian-installer to load additional
 firmware. I will figure out how to build CD images including firmware
 similar to the images available for i386 and amd64.
   - The images now includes the pata-modules package so users previously
 missing PATA drivers should be able to install their machines now.
 * hppa
   - No known issues and changes.
 * ia64
   - The kernel might be unstable during install
 (try passing "hardened_usercopy=off" at the boot prompt,
  e.g. "install hardened_usercopy=off").
   - If the machine locks up during boot with a radeon GPU,
 try passing "modprobe_blacklist=radeon nomodeset".
   - The installer has been switched to boot using GRUB now,
 ELILO is no longer available.
 * m68k
   - The drivers for IDE hardware may have to be loaded manually, e.g.:
 + modprobe pata_gayle
 + modprobe pata_falcon
   - There is no automatic installation of the bootloader yet,
 users have to boot the kernel and initrd manually after
 installation.
 * powerpc/ppc64
   - The bootloader installation still defaults to Yaboot and
 is being switched to GRUB for IBM POWER and PowerMacs,
 please report any issues you find.
   - Unfortunately, upgrading the GRUB package will currently
 render PowerMacs unbootable. See this thread for more:
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2019/04/msg00165.html
   - On some machines, the fans might produce a lot of noise,
 this can be addressed by manually the windfarm kernel
 modules:
 + modprobe windfarm_core
   - The installer has been switched to boot using GRUB now,
 Yaboot is still in the archives but will be removed
 * sh4
   - There is no CD image, installation has to be performed
 using the debian-installer images.
   - Currently supported targets are Renesas SH-7785LCR and
 SH-7751R, the latter should be identical to qemu-sh4.
   - debian-installer for sh4 is completely untested, please
 test with QEMU and report back. 
   - The filenames for kernel and initrd still contain an
  old 2.6.32.5 kernel version. This can be ignored.
 * sparc64
   - Installation over a serial console is currently broken
 on sparc64 due to a bug in the rootskel package
 (can also be considered a kernel bug), see: #926539.
 Use any image before 2019-04-06 as workaround.
   - The installer has been switched to boot using GRUB now,
 SILO is no longer available.

Important:

When reporting issues or bugs, please include the syslog
from your installation in the bug report/mail. The log
file can be access when switching to another console using
+ for normal installations or ++
when installing over a serial console. I also need to know
what hardware was used, which installation steps (normal
vs. expert) and which image was used.

I am currently collecting bug reports but cannot push the fixes
immediately as the imminent Debian Buster release means that
debian-installer and components are effectively frozen.

Thanks,
Adrian

> [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/2019-05-09/
> [2] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/debian-installer/

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