Re: Stable/Unstable Frustration ...
On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Adam Shand wrote: Now in order to compile KDE I have to have libgif* which require xlib6g etc etc... this is a bit frustrating as I am somewhat reluctant to put so crucial a part of my system into the 'unstable' tree. Is it possible that older versions of the non-free and contrib packages could be kept around somewhere on the ftp site? FYI, I've been helping Andreas compile kde for libc5. It did involve recompiling libgif for libc5. I expect kde to be out for libc5 in another few days, but I can't say for sure since I'm not the maintainer. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Trovalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
xconsole doesn't work anymore w/ xdm
for some reason or another, xconsole doesn't work with xdm anymore. the /etc/config file have 'run-xconsole' and everything is correct in the setup file.. I didn't change anything, only upgrades selected by dselect.. It works perfectly from the the wm's menu.. I tried changing 'xconsole' to 'xconsole.real' and it worked better (I could see xconsole, but it looked different) Anyone have any ideas? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
netware/novell emulator
I think I saw a netware/novell emulator on redhat before I switched to Debian.. what do I need to do to emulate netware? -- I decided this was probably a better alternative to samba for my win95 clinets (because win95 will prompt for the username and password).. I've already compiled my kernel for IPX support.. but I didn't see any netware programs in dselect.. -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
mgetty; caller id; printing caller's name number to x/console
Is it possible to have mgetty not answer the phone, but have it print the caller's name number to the x/console? ie. in xconsole it'd say something like: Oct 21 17:30:00: Incoming call from Anonymous at 555-1234 If so, how could I set this up? Thanks, -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cdwrite trouble: SENSE_ERROR
On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: I can't interpret that SCSI error, but you can write to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and there are people on that list who can help. Could it be a data underrun? I would suggest burning CDs in single-user mode until you are sure about that. My Pentium 90 can burn CDs in multi-user, my 486 never could and had to go single-user to burn a CD. To avoid CD waste, test writing in dummy mode. I burned some cd's tonight, but I also had a hard time with the writer before I could effectively use it. After typing cdwrite --dummy --verbose image.iso I decided after 5 seconds that I wanted to add a parameter --speed 2 to the command line and pressed ^C. I got the prompt back, no error from cdwrite, but the writer was locked up. I could not even open the tray anymore (exept with brute force.) cdwrite would only give errors and could not even determine the device model anymore (a Philips cdd2600.) Only after turning the computer off and on could I get it to work (and I did not press ^C anymore :-\ ) Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
bad data in /var/run/utmp
When I try uptime, or w, or any of several other commands, I get a bad data in /var/run/utmp message. I tried rebooting, and it didn't help. Any clues? Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ * Good Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the Park. Bad Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the park ... to a bear. * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Year 2000 Debian
Not sure if this has been thrashed out before: Is Debian (or Linux in general) year 2000 *safe*? I'm not even sure what that means precisely, but I'm responsible for finding out round here and wondered if it's been discussed on this group. 8---8 Richard Shepherd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Phone: 07-838-4764 8---8 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cdwrite trouble: SENSE_ERROR
I've sometimes cleared it by unloading and reloading the SCSI driver. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: netware/novell emulator
Is it that you don't want win95 to prompt for the username and password, or you want it to do so? I am using Samba and in the Windows 95 control panel I set the login to be the network login. Then it prompts for the username and password when logging in the user, and does not prompt again. Note also that you can configure Samba to allow any user, and avoid the prompts that way. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Year 2000 Debian
I ran my system with the date in the year 2000 for a few weeks. I could not find any problems. Unix was never so dumb as to store the century as two digits. Richard Stallman and FSF have been testing this, too. The biggest problem that may happen has to do with the motherboard BIOS and the PC clock chip on some systems storing the century as two digits. The Linux program that reads the hardware clock into the software clock can make up for that. An update of this program was just released and will be well-deployed before it is needed. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
Lindsay Allen wrote: I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing 2.0.31. Anybody else having trouble with it? Yep. Random freezes, generally when I'm not using the machine, in the dead of night (the *worst* time for a computer to freeze). -- see shy jo, back to 2.0.29 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Toshiba laptop --- resume mode
Bruce Perens wrote: By the way, my Toshiba system runs the disk about 20% faster when I use hdparm to turn on 32-bit mode. How did you benchmark that? I've tried using bonnie, and don't see any real difference with my disks when I turn 32 bit on and off. -- see shy jo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: netware/novell emulator
I want it to... but only when connecting to shares... win95 prompts only once at boot.. with novell you can specify a login name for the server and not have to have the same name for both. Yeah I could have win95 check a name server, but thats a hasle for those who don't connect to the server. -Paul On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: Is it that you don't want win95 to prompt for the username and password, or you want it to do so? I am using Samba and in the Windows 95 control panel I set the login to be the network login. Then it prompts for the username and password when logging in the user, and does not prompt again. Note also that you can configure Samba to allow any user, and avoid the prompts that way. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
Yes. I was having a problem with PPP - after 6-8 hours it would drop the connection, and then die shortly after reconnecting with the messages in /var/log/ppp.log Oct 20 07:14:33 fleming pppd[11094]: No response to 5 echo-requests Oct 20 07:14:33 fleming pppd[11094]: Serial link appears to be disconnected. Oct 20 07:14:33 fleming pppd[11094]: Connection terminated. Getting rid of the module and then reloading it seemed to cure the problem for at least the next 6-8 hours. There have been reports of memory leaks with 2.0.31 - I wonder? And then last night while I was sleeping, the whole machine locked up solid on me. No error messages, nothing on the screen. I'm using 2.0.30 now - just to see if the problems go away. I think they have. I'm going to take another stab at 2.0.31 to see if I can figure out the PPP problem at least -- I'm running LinuxHQ now, so it's about time I learned how to do some serious kernel hacking. So be careful with 2.0.31 - it's a massive upgrade (7 months, 976K patch from 2.0.30) - so there are going to be lots and lots of bugs. (Arrgh, just found a HTML bug on the changes page on LinuxHQ - nobody told me!) Cheers, - Jim pgpIozdRQpbh2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PerfectBACKUP now free
But it looks like if you don't have the activation key, the functionality is no greater than the personal edition. I downloaded the manual and both gv and ghostview would only view two pages! I'll stick with taper. Bob On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, George Bonser wrote: Right, so don't download the personal edition. Get the Linux 2.0 version. unpack the tarball, CAREFUL, the 2.0 tarball does not create a directory, it will unpack in the directory it is in. Make two floppies with dd if=DISK1 of=/dev/fd0H1440 bs=1024 or whatever you use and dont forget to make DISK2, it will ask for it during the install, then run doinstall. On 19-Oct-97 robert havoc pennington wrote: On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, George Bonser wrote: I just noticed that a FREE Linux version of PerfectBACKUP is now available. It is not crippled and does not expire. Well, the c.o.l.a message says: It has no timeout and is not crippled by any other means. But every time I choose an option other than basic backup it says this feature is disabled in PerfectBACKUP Personal Edition. So it _is_ a crippled PerfectBACKUP, though technically an uncrippled PB Personal Edition. Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Compiling kernel rm -rf asm linux scsi?
Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am trying to compile the kernel. The README says I should make sure /usr/include/asm, /usr/include/linux, and /usr/include/scsi directories are just symlinks to the kernel sources. They are not, so should I do a rm -rf asm linux scsi as they suggest? I think you can safely ignore that. The kernel headers don't change much. I recommend using Manoj's kernel-package for recompiling kernels -- it takes care of all this for you automatically. It will create a bona-fide debian package containing your custom kernel, plus it takes care of all sorts of other details like the kernel headers. Cheers, - Jim pgpY9DRph4Ct2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PerfectBACKUP now free
On 22-Oct-97 Bob Nielsen wrote: But it looks like if you don't have the activation key, the functionality is no greater than the personal edition. I downloaded the manual and both gv and ghostview would only view two pages! I'll stick with taper. Bob Yeah, after I tried using it ... it pretty much sucks. I will stick to KBackup...even if there is not a Debian package. Hmmm, maybe I will make one this weekend. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: NIS problems
Bao C. Ha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am having problems configuring NIS in Debian 1.3. I set one up as master and one as client, no shadow passwd. From the client, I can do ypcat passwd, and see NIS distributed users. But when I try to log in as one of the NIS users, it just does not work. I think I am having a passwd problem. The first thing to check is to make sure your plus entries in /etc/passwd are A-OK. Also, I know the NIS in hamm requires an /etc/nsswitch.conf file to be set up (look at the libc6-dev docs for more info) in order for the system to see the users - but I don't think you need it for Debian 1.3. Might be worth checking out anyways, just in case you have mixed libs or something. Cheers, - Jim pgpFuUKrFfRZp.pgp Description: PGP signature
DMA with IDE on Triton II
Hi,
I've been fiddling with hdparm, trying to improve the I/O performance
of my machine (Gateway PII 233, 96Mb, 3.2Gb IDE disk). However, I can't
get hdparm to turn on the DMA mode:
# hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
using_dma= 0 (off)
When I use the -X34 option also as recommended in the hdparm man page,
I still get the same error.
I have a Quantum UDMA IDE hard drive, connected to a UDMA PCI controller
card. Here's the interesting bits from /proc/pci:
Bus 0, device 11, function 0:
RAID bus controller: Promise Technology Unknown device (rev 1).
Vendor id=105a. Device id=4d33.
Medium devsel. IRQ 9. Master Capable. Latency=32.
I/O at 0xfff0.
I/O at 0xffe4.
I/O at 0xffa8.
I/O at 0xfbe4.
I/O at 0xff80.
Bus 0, device 7, function 1:
IDE interface: Intel 82371SB Natoma/Triton II PIIX3 (rev 0).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. Latency=32.
I/O at 0xff60.
And here's the info from the drive:
# hdparm -i /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Model=QUANTUM FIREBALL ST3.2A, FwRev=A0F.0400, SerialNo=15371126
Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw15uSec Fixed DTR10Mbs }
RawCHS=6256/16/63, TrkSize=32256, SectSize=512, ECCbytes=4
BuffType=3(DualPortCache), BuffSize=81kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
DblWordIO=no, maxPIO=2(fast), DMA=yes, maxDMA=2(fast)
CurCHS=6256/16/63, CurSects=6306048, LBA=yes, LBAsects=6306048
tDMA={min:120,rec:120}, DMA modes: sword0 sword1 sword2 mword0 mword1 mword2
IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, PIO modes: mode3 mode4
Any ideas?
Thanks,
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Re: [PPP] pon and plog not working
On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Mark Phillips wrote: A friend of mine has installed debian on his laptop. I tried running pon. It runs without complaining, but doesn't do anything much. The modem doesn't make any of the usual noises associated with an attempt to connect. When I do plog, it comes up blank. When I do a ps, it seems that pon has indeed started up a couple of processes. These sit there for a few minutes and then die. Other than this I have no idea what is going on. Certainly plog is no help. Does your friend have a line local2.*-/var/log/ppp.log in his /etc/syslog.conf ? Yes he does have this line. Any other ideas? Thanks, Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [PPP] pon and plog not working
On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Jeff Gunter wrote: Silly question: can he use the modem at all? Is he using a pcmcia modem or hooking up to a serial port? Some pcmcia configs have trouble w/ interrupt conflicts... I'm not sure if he can use the modem at all. I'll see if I can find out. He is using a pcmcia modem. How would I find out about interrupt conflict problems? The funny thing though is that plog doesn't produce any output. I would have thought that at least it would output some error. Cheers, Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Compiling kernel rm -rf asm linux scsi?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 1997-10-21 at approximately 05:45 PM -0700, Mark Phillips wrote: I am trying to compile the kernel. The README says I should make sure /usr/include/asm, /usr/include/linux, and /usr/include/scsi directories are just symlinks to the kernel sources. They are not, so should I do a rm -rf asm linux scsi as they suggest? No, don't do that (there is a very good reason for that, but I am not clear on what it is, perhaps someone else on the list can enlighten me :). I suggest using kernel-package to build a kernel, see /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz if that package is installed on your system. It works great, I recently used it to build a 2.0.31 kernel-image and kernel-source package. I have excerpted a section of /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz below to show how simple it is to use. For the Brave and the impatient: 1% cd kernel source tree 2% make config # or make menuconfig or make xconfig and configure 3% make-kpkg clean 4% make-kpkg -r=custom.1.0 kernel_image 5% dpkg -i ../kernel-image-X.XXX_1.0_arch.deb 6% shutdown -r now # If and only if LILO worked or you have a means of # booting the new kernel. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!! - -- Joel Klecker URL:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.espy.org/ Apple Flavored Unix (Unix for Macs and clones) URL:http://www.espy.org/apple-flavored-unix/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNE2TjLCFlxIcC02VEQKm+wCferGDTwoAX8+ztPXNj2zsNMHZG/4An2X4 Ag2zja12A+sgRLFxnB6qXStg =lvkU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [PPP] pon and plog not working (fwd)
Hi, Well I don't know why, but plog has suddenly started to work. At least we now have a clue as to why pon isn't working. It comes up with the following: Oct 21 22:36:51 genoa pppd[239]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 Oct 21 22:36:51 genoa pppd[239]: tcgetattr: I/O error Oct 21 22:36:51 genoa pppd[239]: Exit. Any ideas? Mark. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Hello, total idiot here plesea rospedn :)
Hey guys, signed on to the mailing list a couple days ago, VERY good. Keep up the good work! Okay, now comes the things I don't understand or that are bugging me... (p.s. LOTS of stuff coming up here) Note that is any of this is covered in a previous message, just point it out to me so you don't have to retype it again. ;) # I just bought Debian 1.3.1, and for some reason the version I got on the cdrom pretends to be every bit 1.3 Now I don't have a problem with this, but do have a problem with the kernel level of the cdroms. The kernel level is 1.2.29 (last digits are 29, but I know the first two are current, so disregard them if they are extremely old) -I bought this cdrom from LSL (www.lsl.com) and paid $8.95 including the 5 dollar donation to the wonderful people at debian.org :) I just got it 6 days ago in the mail, the total process took 3 weeks+ I also got a brand NEW Sunsite archive that I know is very up-to-date. Most of the files on the disk do not have a date later than jul 5. (please tell me wtf is going on with that, thank you!) #The cdrom I got has broken packages, something like 5. The java kaffe package relies on java-common, which did not come on the disk somehow. The Imagemagick package relies on something other than the corresponding imagemagick libs, that is not included. hmm, I can not think of other ones right now, but will specify more if you want me too. -I do not know if this is a problem with the cdrom image the guy(s) at lsl used, or if it plenty common for dselect? #I have been having a hell of a time install stuff. I don't really think that I am having trouble, but I just think I don't understand the basics of adding path statements and the like under Linux. -Where is the file that I edit for a total path change in debian? I have edited the root's ..bash_profile and that worked for root, I mean adding /usr/X11R6/bin worked for the root's path only. #Okay, what is the problem with Xfree86 3.3.1 and its documentation? It took me awhile to install it, note that I had to download this version(3.3 came with my debian cds) since the instructions were wrong. - I have no trouble with xf86 3.3.1 right now, at least I don't think so. I have it running great, and installed it using the process below: *cd /usr *cd X11R6 *cp /mnt/extract* . *cp /mnt/*.sh . *sh ./preinst.sh *chmod +x extract *./extract /mnt/x*.tgz *sh ./postinst.sh Now that seemed to work great, and I have no trouble with it now. I can start X, and run fvwm2 since I installed that WM only. (boy, who would want that fvwm95? Someone not getting the point?geez) -Now this way was not described at all in the readme and/or install guide. It told me to use tar on each file seperately. Which did not work at all, most files and directories were not correctly placed. But then again, I was told to run tar in the root passively to each directory and file. i.e. cd / : tar -zxvf /mnt/download/x331bin.tgz hmm, weird out come, like it putting the bins and libs in my /bin and /lib directroy! When it should have been in my /usr/X11R6/bin and /usr/X11R6/lib respectively. Okay, now we move on, sorry about the size of this message. The IRC just did not help much, and I have been finding myself helping other people in #linux :) hehe (you know me, I go by the irc nick name: reentry and I will frequently invite people to help them in #reentry ;) #Another weird one, when I try out make on many different software, like enlightenment and imlib, I get non-fatal errors that say make include and make makefile, nothing to do with each of them. Now these are prolly just setup probs with designer of the programs. #Well, this is about all the questions I have right now, I really can't think of them. Thank you for your help, and I will be e-mailing another book soon! haha JOE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE OS2 Guide homepage master : http://www.impulsedata.net/~sniffen == All being caught up in the action of MS, people did not even notice the non-ignorant *fools* using other OSs and software. It must have been the pretty colors, or maybe just ones mainly green... == -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [PPP] pon and plog not working (fwd)
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Mark Phillips wrote: Hi, Well I don't know why, but plog has suddenly started to work. At least we now have a clue as to why pon isn't working. It comes up with the following: Oct 21 22:36:51 genoa pppd[239]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 Oct 21 22:36:51 genoa pppd[239]: tcgetattr: I/O error Oct 21 22:36:51 genoa pppd[239]: Exit. Any ideas? Did you check /proc/interrupts for interrupt conflicts? Can you dial out from minicom? What device does pppd try to use, /dev/cua* (wrong) or /dev/ttyS* (right)? Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Compiling kernel rm -rf asm linux scsi?
Hi, Joel == Joel Klecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joel -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joel 1997-10-21 at approximately 05:45 PM -0700, Mark Phillips wrote: I am trying to compile the kernel. The README says I should make sure /usr/include/asm, /usr/include/linux, and /usr/include/scsi directories are just symlinks to the kernel sources. They are not, so should I do a rm -rf asm linux scsi as they suggest? Joel No, don't do that (there is a very good reason for that, but I Joel am not clear on what it is, perhaps someone else on the list can Joel enlighten me :). manoj /usr/lib/kernel-package/README.headers -- This document contains comments from Linus Torvalds (made in an ``off-the-cuff'' personal email) to help clarify the rationale behind the Debian way of handling symlinks, but this should not be seen as an official policy statement by Linus. I'm attaching a disclaimer in his own words. The only reason that Linus's message is quoted in here is that he can explain the technical reasons with far more lucidity than I can, and now that I have permission to include his mail, I am removing most of my far less facile efforts in that regard. David == David Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 24 Feb 1997 Linus == Linus Torvalds said on Mon, 24 Feb 1997 David Hi Linus, David No matter how well we try to explain ourselves, the symlinks issue David keeps coming up. Would you mind if we used your message below in David our responses? Linus Sure. Don't make it the word of God - please point out that Linus it was a off-the-bat personal reply to a question concerning Linus this, and while I'm more than happy to have the email Linus circulated it shouldn't be seen as a official document in any Linus way.. Linus Linus --- The headers were included in libc5-dev after a rash of very buggy alpha kernel releases (1.3.7* or something like that) that proceeded to break compilations, etc. Kernel versions are changed far more rapidly than libc is, and there are higher chances that people install a custom kernel than they install custom libc. libc6 includes it's own version of /usr/include/linux and friends form the beginning (that is, this is no longer a Debian only feature, the upstream version has moved to this scheme as well). Linus == Linus Torvalds said on Wed, 22 Jan 1997: Linus The kernel headers used to make sense exporting to user space, Linus but the user space thing has grown so much that it's really not Linus practical any more. The problem with Debian is just that they Linus are different, not that they are doing anything wrong. That Linus leads to differences between the distributions, and that in Linus turn obviously can result in subtle problems. Linus As of glibc, the kernel headers will really be _kernel_ Linus headers, and user level includes are user level Linus includes. Matthias Ulrich did that partly because I've asked Linus him to, but mainly just because it is no longer possible to try Linus to synchronize the libc and the kernel the way it used to Linus be. The symlinks have been a bad idea for at least a year now, Linus and the problem is just how to get rid of them Linus gracefully. Personally, I'm counting on glibc, which we are Linus already using on alpha. Linus Just to give you some idea of exactly why the includes really Linus can't be handled by simple symlinks: the main problem is Linus version skew. Lots of people want to upgrade their library Linus without affecting the kernel, and probably even more people Linus want to be able to upgrade their kernel without affecting their Linus compilation environment. Right now doing that has been Linus extremely fragile. Linus Just to give _one_ example of why the symlinks are bad: NR_OPEN Linus and fd_set. I have had no end of problems making NR_OPEN Linus larger in the kernel, exactly _because_ of the damn Linus sym-links. If I just make NR_OPEN larger (the right thing to Linus do), the problem is that people with old libraries will now Linus compile against a header file that doesn't match the library Linus any more. And when the library internally uses another NR_OPEN Linus than the new program does, interesting things happen. Linus In contrast, with separate header files, this doesn't make any Linus difference. If I change NR_OPEN in the kernel, the compilation Linus environment won't notice UNTIL the library and associated Linus header files are changed: thus the user will continue to compile Linus with the old values, but because we'll still be binary Linus compatible, the worst thing that happens is that new programs Linus won't take advantage of new features unless the developer has Linus upgraded his library. Compare
Re: XMGR
hi franck Hi, I would like to know if there is any Debian package franck for XMGR (graphics software). yes, there is, in hamm/math section: xmgr_4.0.1-1.deb cheers -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Year 2000 Debian
On Tue, Oct 21, 1997 at 08:15:00PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: I ran my system with the date in the year 2000 for a few weeks. I could not find any problems. Unix was never so dumb as to store the century as two digits. Richard Stallman and FSF have been testing this, too. The biggest problem that may happen has to do with the motherboard BIOS and the PC clock chip on some systems storing the century as two digits. The Linux program that reads the hardware clock into the software clock can make up for that. An update of this program was just released and will be well-deployed before it is needed. One local trade newspaper or magazine recently ran a story on the Unix 2038 problem. Really getting in early here folks ... Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Student, computer science computer systems engineering.3rd year, RMIT. http://hamish.home.ml.org/ (PGP key here) CPOM: [* ] 56% The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. --Bohr -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cdwrite trouble: SENSE_ERROR
On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: I've sometimes cleared it by unloading and reloading the SCSI driver. Hmmm, how do you do that? Do you mean you unload and reload it as a module? Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cdwrite trouble: SENSE_ERROR
On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: I've sometimes cleared it by unloading and reloading the SCSI driver. A question related to this: is it posible to force a driver to unload, even if it says 'device busy'? I have a QIC-80-WIDE tape drive, which doesn't seem to understand the 'eof' command. If i issue this command and then start a 'tar -cf ...', tar crashes with a stack and register dump from the kernel (or whatever those numbers are supposed to be) and the tape device stays 'busy'. If I then try to load the floppy driver, the kernel completely crashes with an awful lot of (register|whatever) dumps on my screen that keeps scrolling for about ten seconds and then stops. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
glibc and X
Hi folks. I've tried to install xlib6g_3.3-7.deb and it requires a xlib6_3.3-7.deb which is advertised in the Packages file but does not seem to be available on ftp.debian.org (?). The glibc-libc5 mini-howto is great (although discovered after the fact) but does not go into upgrading X. Any clues for dealing with xlib6g from anyone, URLs ? I've gone thru and recompiled everything non-X that uses the new utmp entries and would like to focus of xdm and co. I would really like to relate to anyone else working with non-pam shadowed passwds and login/accounting tools, especially pppd. --markc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: glibc and X
Hi folks. I've tried to install xlib6g_3.3-7.deb and it requires a xlib6_3.3-7.deb which is advertised in the Packages file but does not seem to be available on ftp.debian.org (?). The glibc-libc5 mini-howto is great (although discovered after the fact) but does not go into upgrading X. Well, my mirror already has: /binary-i386$ ls */xlib* oldlibs/xlib6-altdev_3.3.1-1.deb x11/xlib6g-dev_3.3.1-1.deb oldlibs/xlib6_3.3.1-1.deb x11/xlib6g_3.3.1-1.deb And the x11/xlib6g_3.3.1-1.deb found there should live hapily with the xlib6_3.3.1. In general: just first upgrade the libc5 compat libs (in this case xlib6_3.3.1-1), and then the libc6 versioon. Should go OK. -- joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] My spamfilter is so good, it correctly catches 90% of incomming spam, *including* all email from my PhD supervisor. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
KDE Questions and Approval ...
Well I spent the day upgrading my system to libc6 so I could install KDE Beta1. First off thanks to the KDE team who look like they make have the beginnings, and more, of a decent X interface... YAY! (and of course the debian packagers) Everything went smoothly but I am left with a couple questions, mostly wondering whether KDE is a little flakey, I'm a little flakey or the Debian package is a little flakey :-) ... 1. When I run the Menu Editor I get a completely empty configuration box. Now it's easy to go from there, but the help seems to think that there should be two (partially full) menus to start with that I can drag and drop stuff between. What's up? 2/ I am having some really weird problems where when I exit the KDE Window manager I have 4 xconsoles running (I *ONLY* started one) which have to be manually killed off... this doesn't seem to do happy things. 3/ Somepackages just seem to segfault when I run them. Are there any required libs that aren't dependencies? 4/ My desktop is ... well broken? When I click on any of the icons (Trash, Templates or Autostart) or try and open them up in KFM it just hangs, forever. I've checked the permissions and everything seems okay but it just doesn't do anything. If I drag something into one of these folders it either hangs or tells me that I don't have the permissions to move it (but I do!, at least to the trash in my home dir). That mostly summs it up... it has the potential to be *wonderfull* but there's some quirks to get sorted out yet... I just want to know whose quirks they are... mine, Debian's or KDE's :-) All help and comment are much appreciated. Adam. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Security questions
What I was looking for was any potential secuity risks that exist in the default setup of Debian 1.3.1.*. http://www.debian.org/security.html (this lists all security problems. As far as I'm aware, all have been fixed in bo-updates). On the other hand, probably the only way to get your system (any system) safe is by educating the wannaby phreakers: Offer them one month free subscription or whatever if they report possible security holes instead of exploiting them. -- joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] My spamfilter is so good, it correctly catches 90% of incomming spam, *including* all email from my PhD supervisor. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: upgrading ldso (because executor does not work)
I'm trying to upgrade from ldso_1.8.10-2.deb to ldso_1.9.6-2.deb because I can't get executor to run. I can run it under slackware just fine, and one of the differences is the ld.so itself. I've tried preloading the various other libraries with copies from the slackware distro. No luck. Back on the subject; what I wanted to do was to boot of the rescue disk, and mount the root as /target then use dpkg -root=/target -i name.deb to upgrade the ldso. I want to do it from the boot floppy so I can back up to ldso_1.8.10-2.deb if something goes wrong. Of course if something does go wrong it means the only way I can fix is by booting of the rescue floppy, since the machine probably won't boot. (call be paranoid if you want) dpkg -i does not work when you boot of the rescue floppy, it complaings about sysinfo symbol not found (can't remember the exact error). Can anybody offer me some clues as to how I can acomplish what I want to do. Just don't be stupid, and have *some* trust in David Engel. He's a very compitent maintainer, and has been for a long time. The ld.so package he maintains does not screw your system if you just upgrade to it. If you are really paranoid, or have other reasons to mistrust David, then you should just keep a copy of /lib (preferably the whole dir, it isn't that big) somewhere else on the root partition. Then, even if David's ldso postrm does rm -rf /lib, you can boot from floppy, and just move/copy your backup of /lib to /lib. Just my $.02 on the matter. I'm not that far off from switching to some other distro, like redhat to avoid some of these problems, along with the poor documentation on building your own packages and awkward pacakge selection/management. I've dealt with a lot of different distributions in my life, SGI, DEC, SUN, slackware, debian, redhat, they all have their set of problems and advantages. Whatever works I guess. Debian's ld.so doesn't have the disadvantage that it will currupt your system even when you just install the package. Note, that it *does* have the disadvantage that it will make your system totally unusable when you *downgrade* from the hamm version to the bo version. But the advice is: *DONT DO THAT*! Thanks, -- joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] My spamfilter is so good, it correctly catches 90% of incomming spam, *including* all email from my PhD supervisor. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
X upgrade
Hi, From my mirror I see that the setup for X has changed considerably. I am wondering what is the correct procedure to upgrade. I have X 3.3-4 Here is what i think i should do. First upgrade xlib6 to 3.3.1-1, then remove xlib6-dev and everything that depnds on it and install xlib6-altdev, then install xlib6g and xlib6g-dev and then install all the xfnt and the rest of 3.3.1-1 Is this the right way ? Will I have any trouble ? Having a working X on my machine is critical for me. Thanks George --- George Kapetanios Churchill College Cambridge, CB3 0DSE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U.K. WWW: http://garfield.chu.cam.ac.uk/~gk205/work_info.html --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cdwrite trouble: SENSE_ERROR
Bruce Perens wrote: I've sometimes cleared it by unloading and reloading the SCSI driver. iff the boot drive is not on the same SCSI Bus as the CDR drive. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: NIS problems
I have the plus entries in /etc/passwd and /etc/group in the client, not in the master. /etc/passwd +:* /etc/group +:*:*: I also changed the /etc/nsswitch.conf to use either compat or db nis files for the passwd, group, shadow entries. It still does not work. Appreciate any other suggestions/comments. Bao -- Bao C. Ha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.hacom.net voice: (706) 736-8717 dial-in: (706) 849-0785 On 21 Oct 1997, Jim Pick wrote: Bao C. Ha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am having problems configuring NIS in Debian 1.3. I set one up as master and one as client, no shadow passwd. From the client, I can do ypcat passwd, and see NIS distributed users. But when I try to log in as one of the NIS users, it just does not work. I think I am having a passwd problem. The first thing to check is to make sure your plus entries in /etc/passwd are A-OK. Also, I know the NIS in hamm requires an /etc/nsswitch.conf file to be set up (look at the libc6-dev docs for more info) in order for the system to see the users - but I don't think you need it for Debian 1.3. Might be worth checking out anyways, just in case you have mixed libs or something. Cheers, - Jim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
URL sendsms
http://www.bai.de/sendsms/sendsms.shtml -- Dipl.-Inform. Stoyan Kenderov __ __ _ _ email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NTG Netzwerk und Telematic GmbH\ \/ / (_)_ __ | | __ fax : +49 721 9652 210 Geschaeftsbereich Xlink \ /| | | '_ \| |/ / phone: +49 721 9652 223 Vincenz-Priessnitz-Str. 3 / \| | | | | | RIPE : SK23-RIPE D-76131 Karlsruhe, Germany /_/\_\_|_|_| |_|_|\_\ www-old.xlink.net/~kenderov INTERNET. MIT SICHERHEIT PGP: http://www-old.xlink.net/~kenderov/public.key.asc NTG Netzwerk und Telematic GmbH, Sitz Chemnitz. Kreisgericht Chemnitz/Stadt HRB 4217 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Michael Rotert -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Lindsay Allen wrote: I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing 2.0.31. Anybody else having trouble with it? Yep. Random freezes, generally when I'm not using the machine, in the dead of night (the *worst* time for a computer to freeze). I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem? That is, are you using kerneld? Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: network setup confusion
Waller Martin MEJ wrote: Hi, I have two seperate problems, but both are to do with setting up networking. 1. My PC(s) at home: I have two connected with 3C509 ethernet cards, and have given them reserved IP addresses. They talk to each other perfectly. No problems. In one, I have a modem. I have set it up so that it dials in to my ISP. I type pon, it dials, and later ifconfig comes up with the ppp0 interface set to the dynamically allocated address. But, something aint quite right. I can't ping the DNS servers or anything. I can only ping the address that comes up as the P-t-P bit of the ppp0 entry in ifcongifg. i.e. i can't ping the bit that's listed as IP address. Or the DNS servers or anything. They're not wrong numbers as they're pingable under (ugh!) win95 when ppp'ed with that... I've read the NAG, net-2 howto, ppp howto, but still I can't get it to work right. Is it a routing problem? I can't find examples of a setup with ethernet card on a LAN and a modem for PPP. I'm most confused and don't know how to continue. route -n comes up with just one ppp0 bit and three eth0 bits, if thats at all relevant. Three lines of routes for eth0 eh? Is one of them the default route? There should only be one route for eth0. The default route needs to go to your ppp connection, but if you already have a default route on your eth0 it probably won't replace that route. You should remove the default route that is set up in /etc/init.d/network. Please send the output of 'netstat -nr' and 'ifconfig' if this doesn't solve your problem. I will happily supply extra info if it's needed! 2. My PC at work. This is even more confusing for me. Our support people won't help as they only support '95 machines on the network, and I can't advocate using Linux until I can show people it'll work nicely sitting on the network... We have some sort of ethernet network thing behind a firewall - my machine here also has a 3C509 card which is recognised just fine at boot up. Allegedly, our IP addresses our allocated at boot time, but I know that since i started checking this (the last few weeks), I'm always given the same IP address (or so reports winipcfg - yes, we're on good 'ole '95). winipcfg also reports a subnet mask of 255.255.240.0, which has me stumped, and addresses for the default gateway and DNS. It also reports addresses of: DHCP server Primary WINS server Secondary WINS server. Node type is reported as 'Hybrid', IP routing and WINS proxy are not enabled, but NetBIOS resolution uses DNS is enabled. None of that means a thing to me tho' so I dunno if it's relevant or not. Anyway, i set up my /etc/inet.d/network stuff with the IP address i'm always given and the gateway and network mask as listed by winipcfg. route -n shows nothing, and ifconfig shows my eth0 as having address 0.0.0.0. There's loads of messages in my xconsole box to, like ping from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (the x's are numbers...) and connection attempt from yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy and 'host not reachable' and other weird things. Can i get this box to sit happily on the network? Or not? If so how? I am quite confused by routing and network stuff in general. Yes. Your company is using Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP). Your machine is supposed to lease its IP address from a central server which doles them out. DHCP can also give you a lot of other info, such as DNS server IPs, WINS IPs, etc. You should install the dhcpcd package (it's the DHCP client). You need to edit your /etc/init.d/network and remove the ifconfig and route lines for eth0. As to the netmask, 255.255.240 is fine and good. You must also use this netmask. DHCP should get that for you though. -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cdwrite trouble: SENSE_ERROR
Thanks to all who offered help on getting my Yamaha CDR400tx (1.0d) CD recorder working, especially to Nathan Norman who pointed me to http://www.shop.de/cgi-bin/winni/lsc.pl where I discovered that cdwrite-2.0 does not support the CDR400tx but that cdrecord-1.5 does. There does not seem to be a Debian package for cdrecord (is someone working on this?) so I built it from the source at ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/cdrecord/cdrecord.tar.gz and it works great! I do seem to have a reliability issue with some fairly cheap green on gold CDRs. (US$4 ea @ qty 100 with a black label thermally printed on them by a local company -- supposed to be Sony CDRs, but they were totally blank before being printed). The cdrom drives on a couple of our UNIX boxes can't seem to reliably mount them if they are written at 4X, but (so far, at least) they seem to be OK if written at 1X or 2X. Does write speed affect the quality of the CDR? Also, are gold on gold CDRs supposed to be better? I found what I think is a pretty good deal on some HP C4432A gold on gold CDRs at CompUSA -- qty 25 for US$70 minus US$20 rebate (limit two on the rebate). Kirk Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: XMGR
Hi, I would like to know if there is any Debian package for XMGR (graphics software). Thanks Franck There are precompiled linux binaries (4.01 alpha, I think) at the xmgr home page, http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Xmgr I installed the semistatic version on my debian system and it works fine. I had to rename one library file to get it to work, if I remember right. Someday I may make a debian package if noone else does so first. -Chris -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: As you suggested (THANK YOU), Marcus, I got 0.4.2c and it correctly detects size of memory on soundcard: AWE32-0.4.2c (RAM4096k) I tried installing it on top of the AWE support coming with kernel 2.1.55... it works! (So far I tried with pnp handled by isapnp and not by the kernel, but will try that too.) PNP handled by the kernel doesn't work. Anyway redoing it with isapnp succeeds, not that anything is stuck unreacheable. I've just ftp'ed and applied the small :-) patch files bringing from 2.1.55 to 2.1.59, pub/Linux/kernel/v2.1/patch-2.1.5[6-9].gz on a mirror of sunsite.unc.edu, less than 200k total. Good that I didn't rm that big linux-2.1.55.tar.gz! _Tomorrow_ I will configure 2.1.59, build and test PNP and use 2.1.59 to continue looking at SLab. As with 2.1.55, 2.1.59 PNP handling does not initialize properly the AWE64 Gold, nothing works, not only awe synth but also /dev/audio. Again, running isapnp both during boot or after boot_with_kernel_PNP_mis-handle results in anything working fine. Anyway I recompiled 2.1.59 without PNP (is it possible that the two zImage files have the same _identical_ size?!). I installed the 0.4.2c awe driver on top of 2.1.59, of course. Before reporting to the kernel mailing list the PNP problem I'll look for docs on PNP handling done by the kernel, maybe some config file is needed as well...? I read _nothing_ on the matter as that wasn't my main goal. (I could also try putting an #error directive in some PNP .c file and see whether that goes compiled or not.) On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: BTW2: I am just testing 2.0.30 last rebuild, I had to see some OSS/xmixer relations, and while writing this message I was also zcatting a 2552707 bytes .gz file to less -i doing a pattern search in it... and suddenly this error line started to appear 6-7 times per second on any console I went to look at: Unable to load interpreter. Typing ctrl-c where the zcat ... | less -i processes had been started allowed recover, and I'm finishing this message and going to send it without rebooting (but good that you suggested to switch back my default to 2.0.29 as the latest stable kernel). 2.1.59 has that problem too, 2.0.29 too... it is just out of memory (I recently reduced swap partition from 33Mb to 8Mb as it nearly never worked - 32 Mb ram BTW - and when it worked it was 2-3 megs and I needed to collect disk space), better run zgrep on that high-compression-ratio .gz file or almost :-) not load at the same time the debian-user mail folder (currently it is very big and is soon going to become another gzipped month-or-little-more debian-upTo97mmdd.gz file). Ah, about that cheap MIDI (possibly mute) keyboard, I saw that [EMAIL PROTECTED] was talking about it too, he was looking for midi software packages and mainly for software synthesis. Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:15:12 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: SB AWE 64 versus Soft. Syns. for making midi... Also, midi keybo Cheers. Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for messages from any kind of robot, such as mailing lists. From that address no autoresponse messages will come, even when I am away for some days. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cdwrite trouble: SENSE_ERROR
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Kirk Hilliard wrote: I do seem to have a reliability issue with some fairly cheap green on gold CDRs. (US$4 ea @ qty 100 with a black label thermally printed on them by a local company -- supposed to be Sony CDRs, but they were totally blank before being printed). The cdrom drives on a couple of our UNIX boxes can't seem to reliably mount them if they are written at 4X, but (so far, at least) they seem to be OK if written at 1X or 2X. Does write speed affect the quality of the CDR? Well, AFAIK some CDR are marked all-speed. Those are probably a better quality and the suffer less problems if the writer speed is high and/or the difference in speed between the device that wrote them and the device that reads them is relatively big. Also, are gold on gold CDRs supposed to be better? I found what I think is a pretty good deal on some HP C4432A gold on gold CDRs at CompUSA -- qty 25 for US$70 minus US$20 rebate (limit two on the rebate). Buy a brand name. I usualy buy Philips rainbow CDR's, but other named brands like 3M are probably ok too (I don't want my email address to suggest any prejudice ;-) .) I'm not so very sure about the quality of noname CDR's, but then again your needs for quality may also vary. The price is nice but not really spectacular. Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DMA with IDE on Triton II
Have you compiled your kernel with
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRITON=y
I get:
hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
using_dma= 1 (on)
However, the man page says:
-d Disable/enable the using_dma flag for this drive.
This option only works with a few combinations of
^^^
drives and interfaces which support DMA and which
^^^
are known to the IDE driver. In particular, the
^^^
Intel Triton chipset is supported for bus-mastered
DMA operation with many drives (experimental). It
is also a good idea to use the -X34 option in com-
bination with -d1 to ensure that the drive itself
is programmed for multiword DMA mode2. Using DMA
does not necessarily provide any improvement in
throughput or system performance, but many folks
swear by it. Your mileage may vary.
It could be that your controller card isn't supported.
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Tim Bell wrote:
Hi,
I've been fiddling with hdparm, trying to improve the I/O performance
of my machine (Gateway PII 233, 96Mb, 3.2Gb IDE disk). However, I can't
get hdparm to turn on the DMA mode:
# hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
using_dma= 0 (off)
When I use the -X34 option also as recommended in the hdparm man page,
I still get the same error.
I have a Quantum UDMA IDE hard drive, connected to a UDMA PCI controller
card. Here's the interesting bits from /proc/pci:
Bus 0, device 11, function 0:
RAID bus controller: Promise Technology Unknown device (rev 1).
Vendor id=105a. Device id=4d33.
Medium devsel. IRQ 9. Master Capable. Latency=32.
I/O at 0xfff0.
I/O at 0xffe4.
I/O at 0xffa8.
I/O at 0xfbe4.
I/O at 0xff80.
Bus 0, device 7, function 1:
IDE interface: Intel 82371SB Natoma/Triton II PIIX3 (rev 0).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable.
Latency=32.
I/O at 0xff60.
And here's the info from the drive:
# hdparm -i /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Model=QUANTUM FIREBALL ST3.2A, FwRev=A0F.0400, SerialNo=15371126
Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw15uSec Fixed DTR10Mbs }
RawCHS=6256/16/63, TrkSize=32256, SectSize=512, ECCbytes=4
BuffType=3(DualPortCache), BuffSize=81kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
DblWordIO=no, maxPIO=2(fast), DMA=yes, maxDMA=2(fast)
CurCHS=6256/16/63, CurSects=6306048, LBA=yes, LBAsects=6306048
tDMA={min:120,rec:120}, DMA modes: sword0 sword1 sword2 mword0 mword1
mword2
IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, PIO modes: mode3 mode4
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Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Year 2038 problem (was Re: Year 2000 Debian)
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:51:07 +1000 Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 1997 at 08:15:00PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: I ran my system with the date in the year 2000 for a few weeks. I could not find any problems. Unix was never so dumb as to store the century as two digits. Richard Stallman and FSF have been testing this, too. The biggest problem that may happen has to do with the motherboard BIOS and the PC clock chip on some systems storing the century as two digits. The Linux program that reads the hardware clock into the software clock can make up for that. An update of this program was just released and will be well-deployed before it is needed. One local trade newspaper or magazine recently ran a story on the Unix 2038 problem. Really getting in early here folks ... By that time everything will be 64-bit and the problem will disappear. We won't have to worry about it again until (bc calculation pending...) the year 292,271,023,045. I don't think I'll worry too much about that! Gary Hennigan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote: I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing 2.0.31. Anybody else having trouble with it? Nope, Not a problem here. It seems to know my hardware well. Granted I have only a three day uptime since the new kernel reboot. 7:45am up 2 days, 20:52h, 5 users, load average: 0.16, 0.07, 0.02 Linux bitgate 2.0.31 #1 Sat Oct 19 19:57:37 PDT 1997 i586 unknown - -Eric -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNE4SNKDN4t3E2gMVAQG/nQQAsOmwBd+8/IcY0L9BUjkOpJndsFAwl54V uj2yqCk9xgvrwQFlKBPd7GXiqV1Cl+I4FrnIbSOvdjXNDM3Fp5Q+Q8zqYS0Tuto1 ZDNMI9b14IO+xHcMkSk5fQsHkdXMmhgVYCqmzCC1ZMjGv7+juguFPngETpfdBXLU fw4O8V5XQPs= =HRr9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
SMP Linux
Can someone recommend a good motherboard for use with SMP Linux ? I was looking at the DK440LX by Intel for use with dual pII 300's, it comes with an onboard Adaptec 7895 Dual Channel SCSI controller with RAIDport... not sure if Linux supports that controller. Thanks. Matthew -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem? That is, are you using kerneld? I'm using kerneld and loading the ip_masq_ and bsd_comp modules, sound and all other things I need are compiled in, I've had it running a few days with no errors, and I found they fixed the SB configuration bug in make menuconfig These are the stats on my system with the new kernel: Linux shadow 2.0.31 #1 Sun Oct 19 15:49:24 EDT 1997 i486 unknown BTW: I am running an unstable system, using most of the packages in hamm/base except sysklogd which I suspect crashed my system before. G'razel the shifty kitty Tapestries FurryMUCK FuroticaMUCK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aye.net/~kestrel To err is human, To purr feline. -- Robert Byrne -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Year 2000 Debian
There is some dispute over whether it's 2038 or later. In any case, one only need define time_t to be 64 bits and it will last until the heat-death of the universe. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hello, total idiot here plesea rospedn :)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, OS2LinuxGuide wrote: # I just bought Debian 1.3.1, and for some reason the version I got on the cdrom pretends to be every bit 1.3 Now I don't have a problem with this, but do have a problem with the kernel level of the cdroms. The kernel level is 1.2.29 (last digits are 29, but I know the first two are current, so disregard them if they are extremely old) [ Last official 1.2.x kernel was 1.2.13. 1.2.29 does not exists... ] Debian 1.3.1 comes with kernel 2.0.29. #The cdrom I got has broken packages, something like 5. [ ... ] As far as I know, java related packages are in the non-free area, so this cdrom is not official. You would have to complain to whom you purchased the CDs. To be sure, you may compare those bad packages with the ones in ftp.debian.org or any of its mirrors. -Where is the file that I edit for a total path change in debian? It depends on the shell. If all your users (which may be as little as root and you) are using /bin/bash, you may change this in /etc/profile. #Okay, what is the problem with Xfree86 3.3.1 and its documentation? It took me awhile to install it, note that I had to download this version(3.3 came with my debian cds) since the instructions were wrong. In general, it is *much* better to use Debian packages for upgrading a Debian system. XFree 3.3.1 was not available at the time Debian 1.3 was released but now it is available in unstable. [ Of course, unstable is still unstable ]. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNE4m4yqK7IlOjMLFAQFCAAP+P7eeJ1NsJxEtOQTIjgfsAdPw19zf4Uah DBl1lxSSXs06AH6EluSiVEwnaTnOcfvx5KsbKkRG0KTf9w89/Llrt49gGA3oh9l7 HANUtwlbx0HtuoOaeE9v5FqPsQgmbvYOpgz7kyLqeF8spnPAuHzHwI0KD+3cE/Aq DnQKtJwBF0E= =xuWE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Year 2000 Debian
Before 100 people jump to correct me, yes, time_t overflows after Tuesday, January 19, 03:14:07 2038. Fixing this requires that time_t by typedefed as a 64-bit quantity and then programs using it must be recompiled. One would hope that the world can find something better than POSIX, C, and Unix by 2038. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Wed, Oct 22, 1997 at 03:59:54PM -0200, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: As you suggested (THANK YOU), Marcus, I got 0.4.2c and it correctly detects size of memory on soundcard: AWE32-0.4.2c (RAM4096k) I tried installing it on top of the AWE support coming with kernel 2.1.55... it works! (So far I tried with pnp handled by isapnp and not by the kernel, but will try that too.) PNP handled by the kernel doesn't work. Anyway redoing it with isapnp succeeds, not that anything is stuck unreacheable. I've just ftp'ed and applied the small :-) patch files bringing from 2.1.55 to 2.1.59, pub/Linux/kernel/v2.1/patch-2.1.5[6-9].gz on a mirror of sunsite.unc.edu, less than 200k total. Good that I didn't rm that big linux-2.1.55.tar.gz! _Tomorrow_ I will configure 2.1.59, build and test PNP and use 2.1.59 to continue looking at SLab. As with 2.1.55, 2.1.59 PNP handling does not initialize properly the AWE64 Gold, nothing works, not only awe synth but also /dev/audio. Again, running isapnp both during boot or after boot_with_kernel_PNP_mis-handle results in anything working fine. Anyway I recompiled 2.1.59 without PNP (is it possible that the two zImage files have the same _identical_ size?!). I installed the 0.4.2c awe driver on top of 2.1.59, of course. Ok, I understand. Before reporting to the kernel mailing list the PNP problem I'll look for docs on PNP handling done by the kernel, maybe some config file is needed as well...? I read _nothing_ on the matter as that wasn't my main goal. (I could also try putting an #error directive in some PNP .c file and see whether that goes compiled or not.) Ok. Please mail me about PnP if you have new information. I will try the new kernels for myslf some time (far away from now, I suppose... lot to do). On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicola Bernardelli wrote: BTW2: I am just testing 2.0.30 last rebuild, I had to see some OSS/xmixer relations, and while writing this message I was also zcatting a 2552707 bytes .gz file to less -i doing a pattern search in it... and suddenly this error line started to appear 6-7 times per second on any console I went to look at: Unable to load interpreter. Typing ctrl-c where the zcat ... | less -i processes had been started allowed recover, and I'm finishing this message and going to send it without rebooting (but good that you suggested to switch back my default to 2.0.29 as the latest stable kernel). Huh? I missed this prior. Perhaps less is not the right thing to do with a gzipped file this big... although it should work. Strange! 2.1.59 has that problem too, 2.0.29 too... it is just out of memory (I recently reduced swap partition from 33Mb to 8Mb as it nearly never worked - 32 Mb ram BTW - and when it worked it was 2-3 megs and I needed to collect disk space), better run zgrep on that high-compression-ratio .gz file or almost :-) not load at the same time the debian-user mail folder (currently it is very big and is soon going to become another gzipped month-or-little-more debian-upTo97mmdd.gz file). 8MB swap is far to low, if you ask me. Although you have 32 MB, if you run out of memory, it can break you suddenly, and important work can be at loss. What is your mail reader? Thank you, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: new debian user questions
On Tue, Oct 21, 1997 at 07:32:20PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : This is news to me. What config tool comes with cnews? with suck? with : pppd? I've got this great one. It's flexible in its operation, and very extensible. vi. -- Jason Costomiris | VMS is about as secure as a poodle [EMAIL PROTECTED] | encased in a block of lucite http://www.jasons.org/~jcostom/ | about as useful, too. #include disclaimer.h | --some guy I read on Usenet -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
Dale Scheetz wrote: I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem? That is, are you using kerneld? Yes, I'm using kerneld. The module that loads and uploads the most here (the only one that's likely to do so in the night when I'm gone) is the sound module. My error message I once saw was this: kite kernel: kernel panic: skput:over: 0014348c:4008. I dunno what it means. Also, the kernel often crashes within 2 minutes of bootup. It seems unlikely that a module would be unloading then. -- see shy jo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
A couple of questions
Hi there, i have some questions about the apache package and about Debian Logo. I am webmaster at my faculty (Computer Science, Bologna, Italy) and we are running a web server using (and mirroring) Debian Linux and Apache. Here are my questions: 1) why debian's package contains old v1.1.3 instead of 1.2.4? 2) suppose that v1.2.4 is not stable (is it so?), is there a way to make v1.1.3 set HTTP_REFERER environment variable? I can get referer only with the newer version (i installed it at home where i use RedHat), is the problem related to old version or to me? Should i insert a special module and recompile the whole server to fix the problem? Which module? Maybe mod_rewrite? 3) does anyone know about security problems related to referer? 4) can i show Debian logo on faculty site first page? Thanks to Johnie Ingram and thank you very much for any suggestion, link or patch. Valerio -- Valerio Paolini Studente del Corso di Laurea in Informatica Universita' degli Studi di Bologna, Italia -- domicilio: Via Matteotti n. 22 40100 Bologna BO tel. (051) 361581 -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Sendmail with Linux
Hi! I was reading the sendmail documentation, and found a note saying that linux has got a undocumented feature (bug?) which lets the system without answering accept() calls from the remote side. It's true, since i saw some machines crying out that the remote system is down. As of 2.0.30/8.8.7, this behaviour hasn't been fixed. Any ideas of how to fix this? I thought about starting the SMTP part of sendmail from within inetd, by binding inetd to the smtp port. thanks in advance, Aldrin Leal [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Year 2000 Debian
Before 100 people jump to correct me, yes, time_t overflows after Tuesday, January 19, 03:14:07 2038. Fixing this requires that time_t by typedefed as a 64-bit quantity and then programs using it must be recompiled. One would hope that the world can find something better than POSIX, C, and Unix by 2038. Ok, the worst thing about the year 2000 problem, is that so few people understand it, yet think they do! People panic about things that probably won't break (Linux and utilities), yet ignore things that are more likely to break (user applications and data). 1) There is no quick fix! Yes, for the 2038 problem, you can just change time_t. But that only changes those applications that have been recompiled. The Y2K problem has almost always been about stuff that hasn't been recompiled and needs scrutiny before recompiling. The 2038 problem may be simpler in that the scrutiny can be done more automatically, but it's still a bigger job than just redefining time_t. 2) The sort of thinking that something else will be in common use before the problem comes around is exactly what has caused the problem in the first place. 2038 is 40 years in the future, but we have Y2K problems now for systems and programs that are 20 or 30 years old. People underestimate the longevity of code; the if it ain't broke, don't fix it philosophy is standard procedure (especially on mainframes, which is where Y2K will rear its ugly head, not on unix or wintel machines). 3) Setting a computer's date to 12/31/1999 and running it a few days does not test anything useful. The defects that this test will find are relatively trivial. For this to be more useful, it needs to be the same environment as you use in production (ie, you don't want to test the OS and utilities, you want to test your customer billing system, your automatic ordering system, your file archival system, your interest calculations, etc). Y2K problems are *complex*, they are usually not isolated to a few lines of code, and may not manifest themselves in a testing situation (ie, you may need to be on a network talking to a remote database server before a certain bug rears its head, etc). The real fix is to scrutinize all code. 4) Y2K problems have *already* happened, and we haven't hit 1/1/2000 yet. 5) I'm really glad no one has said Y2K compliant yet. There are a lot of poeple that use that term the same way they use ISO 9000 compliant, as if there were a Y2K bugs clearning house, standards body, or certification program... 6) If you want to know if your system is going to have Y2K problems, then examine your own data and applications. UNIX in general will have few problems, and probably no major problems; however applications running on top of UNIX *will* have these problems. Same with Windows. Find out what's critical on your system and examine those components; if you do customer billing, then research the product that you use. If you have transactions (ie, databases) with other computers, then examine them as well. If you use commercial products, try to get upgrades to them; if you have data for those products, upgrade your data as well (it makes no sense to get new binaries, then forget that you have dates stored as character fields). 7) Finally - make backups, keep written records of all transactions, train your employees how to cope if the systems go down, and so forth. Ie, prepare for the worst. (I can't believe how inept some companies are; I was at a computer store whose point of sale system went down, and it took them ages to figure out what to do manually, and resulted in 4 people staffing each register). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: A couple of questions
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Valerio VALDEZ Paolini wrote: I am webmaster at my faculty (Computer Science, Bologna, Italy) and we are running a web server using (and mirroring) Debian Linux and Apache. Here are my questions: 1) why debian's package contains old v1.1.3 instead of 1.2.4? 1.1.3 was all that was out when Debian 1.3 was released. The unstable distribution containes an updated apache. However, due to our migration to libc6, it may need several other packages installed to function. You can find some information on installing unstable packages on a 1.3.x system at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/ -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Preventing single user mode
On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Timm Gleason wrote: Does anyone out there know of a way to prevent a Debian box from being able to boot into single user mode? We have removed any sort of delay= settings from the lilo.conf, and this makes it extremely difficult to get into that mode, but does not prevent it. Any help? How do you break into a perfectly secured area when the key just sheared off in the lock? How do you rescue a Debian box that can't boot into single-user mode? But to answer the question, I guess you'd need to (a) secure the floppy drive through the CMOS and (b) hack lilo (the source is there). But even if you somehow remove the jumper pin that clears the CMOS password, you can clear the CMOS entirely by temporarily removing its power source, so I guess you have to cut the tracks to the floppy cable. How far do you want to go? Timm Gleason Hardware Engineer Hey, you should find this easy! Just out of interest though, how straightforward is it to reset the CMOS password on laptops that say this is a factory operation? (i.e. is this just a con?) -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Games problems
1) Nethack has a problem with the /var/lib/games/nethack/perm(?) file, and claims there's no permission to write to it. I changed /usr/lib/games/nethack/nethack to setuid, and it worked (it was setgid already). I presume setuid was the wrong thing to do; what's the real scoop? 2) can't get gravitywars to work. I presume it's because svgalib isn't set up right, but I don't know how to do that. I filled with the config file, but have no way of telling if it's set up right or wrong. How does one test svgalib setup? Also, how does one fix up the display once it's messed up? I remember this as being simple under slackware/redhat, but now I can't recall what the magic command to restore the scren is (restoretextmode isn't it, it wants a file as an argument, and textmode does nothing, etc). (then again, in three years, I've never had svgalib work correctly, but I was hoping that with a new video card, it'd be worth trying again. Since everyone writes games for it, I assume it must be working for someone) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Preventing single user mode
Well I have seen some interesting answers and even some helpful ones :-) As for physically cutting off access to the floppy, if I wanted to do that, I would just send out the server without the floppy in it. If it gets to the point where we have clients having to boot off of a floppy, we usually replace the server and fix it when it comes back. So I could secure the floppy by removing it. I am more concerned with the possibility of booting into single-user mode off of a straight boot process. As we don't ship out servers with boot disks (even thought it is fairly easy to get your hands on one via the net), I am looking at the booting off of a floppy approach. When a box becomes locked to the point that we cannot get in without resorting the single user mode, I can always pull the drive and put it into another box in order to get at the log files. I guess my concerns are more with the casual hacker, not with the person who would rip opened the case and start hacking away from the hardware side of it (like I would). Philippe Troin mentioned something about a password option, Lilo has a password option (which you probably want to use with the restricted option too). RTFM. but I have been unable to find anything about this. Where might I find the difinative source of Lilo documentation? Thanks Timm On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:14:41 +0100 (BST), David Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Timm Gleason wrote: Does anyone out there know of a way to prevent a Debian box from being able to boot into single user mode? We have removed any sort of delay= settings from the lilo.conf, and this makes it extremely difficult to get into that mode, but does not prevent it. Any help? How do you break into a perfectly secured area when the key just sheared off in the lock? How do you rescue a Debian box that can't boot into single-user mode? But to answer the question, I guess you'd need to (a) secure the floppy drive through the CMOS and (b) hack lilo (the source is there). But even if you somehow remove the jumper pin that clears the CMOS password, you can clear the CMOS entirely by temporarily removing its power source, so I guess you have to cut the tracks to the floppy cable. How far do you want to go? Timm Gleason Hardware Engineer Hey, you should find this easy! Just out of interest though, how straightforward is it to reset the CMOS password on laptops that say this is a factory operation? (i.e. is this just a con?) -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 ** Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. - Rich Cook ** Timm Gleason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://n2h2.com/ N2H2, Creators of Bess -- 1301 Fifth Avenue, Suite 1501--Seattle, WA 98101 ** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Compiling kernel rm -rf asm linux scsi?
Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I am trying to compile the kernel. The README says I should make sure /usr/include/asm, /usr/include/linux, and /usr/include/scsi directories are just symlinks to the kernel sources. They are not, so should I do a rm -rf asm linux scsi as they suggest? Does this interfere with dpkg management? I see several responses, but nobody bothers to mention that the current kernel makefiles take care of the header files automatically. If you have just installed a clean source package, then you should run a 'make mrproper' and then do a 'make config' (or xconfig or menuconfig), and the make script will automatically set up internal links to its own header directories. You should just be aware that the 'make mrproper' also appears to remove your '.config' file, so you should save it elsewhere if you have already run a configure. -- Carl Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Many configuration doubts (PWD, colors, executions and the modules)
On Jun 21, Juan Carlos Muro wrote ^^^ Your date is set wrongly! - How can I do for the files and folders' colours to appear? eval `/usr/bin/dircolors` alias ls='ls --color=auto' alias dir='ls -l' alias sl='ls' alias ll='ls -al' - How can I do the PWD to appear in the 'prompt'? if [ $TERM = xterm ] ; then export PS1='\[\033]2;$HOSTNAME \w\007\033[32m\]\w\$\[\033[37m\] ' else export PS1='\[\033[32m\]\w\$\[\033[37m\] ' fi I'm very thankfull, and excuse that I wrote this message before in Spanish. No problemo :-) Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Artificial intelligence - the http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | art of making computers act PGP key available on public key servers | like those in the movies -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Year 2000 Debian
Darin Johnson wrote: - - Before 100 people jump to correct me, yes, time_t overflows after - Tuesday, January 19, 03:14:07 2038. Fixing this requires that time_t by - typedefed as a 64-bit quantity and then programs using it must be - recompiled. One would hope that the world can find something better - than POSIX, C, and Unix by 2038. - - Ok, the worst thing about the year 2000 problem, is that so few people - understand it, yet think they do! People panic about things that - probably won't break (Linux and utilities), yet ignore things that - are more likely to break (user applications and data). - - 1) There is no quick fix! Yes, for the 2038 problem, you can just - change time_t. But that only changes those applications that have - been recompiled. The Y2K problem has almost always been about stuff - that hasn't been recompiled and needs scrutiny before recompiling. - The 2038 problem may be simpler in that the scrutiny can be done more - automatically, but it's still a bigger job than just redefining - time_t. - - 2) The sort of thinking that something else will be in common use - before the problem comes around is exactly what has caused the problem - in the first place. 2038 is 40 years in the future, but we have Y2K - problems now for systems and programs that are 20 or 30 years old. - People underestimate the longevity of code; the if it ain't broke, - don't fix it philosophy is standard procedure (especially on - mainframes, which is where Y2K will rear its ugly head, not on unix or - wintel machines). - - 3) Setting a computer's date to 12/31/1999 and running it a few days - does not test anything useful. The defects that this test will find - are relatively trivial. For this to be more useful, it needs to be - the same environment as you use in production (ie, you don't want to - test the OS and utilities, you want to test your customer billing - system, your automatic ordering system, your file archival system, - your interest calculations, etc). Y2K problems are *complex*, they - are usually not isolated to a few lines of code, and may not manifest - themselves in a testing situation (ie, you may need to be on a network - talking to a remote database server before a certain bug rears its - head, etc). The real fix is to scrutinize all code. - - 4) Y2K problems have *already* happened, and we haven't hit 1/1/2000 yet. - - 5) I'm really glad no one has said Y2K compliant yet. There are a - lot of poeple that use that term the same way they use ISO 9000 - compliant, as if there were a Y2K bugs clearning house, standards - body, or certification program... - - 6) If you want to know if your system is going to have Y2K problems, - then examine your own data and applications. UNIX in general will - have few problems, and probably no major problems; however - applications running on top of UNIX *will* have these problems. Same - with Windows. Find out what's critical on your system and examine - those components; if you do customer billing, then research the - product that you use. If you have transactions (ie, databases) with - other computers, then examine them as well. If you use commercial - products, try to get upgrades to them; if you have data for those - products, upgrade your data as well (it makes no sense to get new - binaries, then forget that you have dates stored as character fields). - - 7) Finally - make backups, keep written records of all transactions, - train your employees how to cope if the systems go down, and so forth. - Ie, prepare for the worst. (I can't believe how inept some companies - are; I was at a computer store whose point of sale system went down, - and it took them ages to figure out what to do manually, and resulted - in 4 people staffing each register). - - blah blah blah blah... y2k this, y2k that. all that stuff just described above talks about the y2k problem according to the *applications* used. the original question was whether or not the operating system (in this case, Debian Linux) has a problem with it. the OS doesn't. fixing applications is another story. --andy -- Andy Kahn ([EMAIL PROTECTED])Phone: 603-884-2557 (DTN: 264-2557) Digital Equipment CorporationFax : 603-881-2257 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem? That is, are you using kerneld? Yes, I'm using kerneld. The module that loads and uploads the most here (the only one that's likely to do so in the night when I'm gone) is the sound module. My error message I once saw was this: kite kernel: kernel panic: skput:over: 0014348c:4008. I dunno what it means. Also, the kernel often crashes within 2 minutes of bootup. It seems unlikely that a module would be unloading then. That is exactly when they start unloading! I once had a pppd problem because I loaded serial as a module. At bootup it would use setserial to set the proper interupt for the modem. If I started pppd within 2 minutes of bootup everthing worked fine. If I tried to start pppd after 2 minutes it would fail because, although serial got reloaded, it had the wrong, default, interupt values and wouldn't work. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
Dale Scheetz wrote: That is exactly when they start unloading! Yep, you're right, I've relaized that my sounds module could be unloading about then. -- see shy jo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
Dale Scheetz wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Lindsay Allen wrote: I am getting error/warnings on both bo and hamm boxes after installing 2.0.31. Anybody else having trouble with it? Yep. Random freezes, generally when I'm not using the machine, in the dead of night (the *worst* time for a computer to freeze). I've been running it for 24 hours now with no problems, other than the map file error at boot up. Lately I have been building my kernels without module support. I have heard that some of the modules in .31 don't load and unload properly at all times. Is it possible this is your problem? That is, are you using kerneld? Same here. Linux 2.0.31 is running as solid as ever, but I don't use modules. Paul Serice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Year 2000 Debian
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Richard L Shepherd wrote: Not sure if this has been thrashed out before: Is Debian (or Linux in general) year 2000 *safe*? I'm not even sure what that means precisely, but I'm responsible for finding out round here and wondered if it's been discussed on this group. Groff-1.10 had a couple of problems in some of the macro packages. For example, grep '19' in the troff macro directory yields the following oddities: tmac.e:.ds td \*(mo \n(dy, 19\n(yr tmac.gm:.el .ds cov*new-date \\*[MO\\n[mo]] \\n[dy], 19\\n[yr] while tmac.gs has the correct tmac.gs:.nr *year \n[yr]+1900 (This may all be corrected in 1.3.1 -- I don't have access to a 1.3.1 system now to check. I know it's been reported to the groff maintainer, but I haven't checked whether the groff-1.11 fixes the problem or not.) Now is this an operating system problem or an application problem? I don't really care, and the end user who gets the wrong answer probably won't care either. Is this particular example a big deal? Certainly not. However, I do hope it successfully illustrates that you shouldn't believe any blanket assertions that Linux is year 2000 safe unless those assertions include assurances that all the relevant library and macro support files have also been checked. Andy Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept. of Physics Lafayette College, Easton PA 18042 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Preventing single user mode
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:27:53 GMT Timm Gleason ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Philippe Troin mentioned something about a password option, Lilo has a password option (which you probably want to use with the restricted option too). RTFM. but I have been unable to find anything about this. Where might I find the difinative source of Lilo documentation? Well, since I have to tell you everything... :-) % apropos lilo lilo (8) - install boot loader lilo.conf (5)- configuration file for lilo % man lilo.conf ===extracts=== password=password The per-image option `password=...' (see below) applies to all images. === restricted The per-image option `restricted' (see below) applies to all images. ===later on per-image options: password=password Protect the image by a password. restricted A password is only required to boot the image if parameters are specified on the command line (e.g. single). ===end=== I guess you want to use password=somethjing and restricted. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 2.0.31
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: That is exactly when they start unloading! Yep, you're right, I've relaized that my sounds module could be unloading about then. Make an explicit entry in /etc/modules for that module and it will stay installed. (even if you have auto enabled) That's how I fixed the serial problem I had. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Games problems
Darin == Darin Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Darin 1) Nethack has a problem with the Darin /var/lib/games/nethack/perm(?) file, and claims there's no Darin permission to write to it. I changed Darin /usr/lib/games/nethack/nethack to setuid, and it worked (it Darin was setgid already). I presume setuid was the wrong thing Darin to do; what's the real scoop? Being the Nethack maintainer, I know of this problem. :/ The problem is that /var/lib/games/nethack must be mode 2775, and /var/lib/games/nethack/perm must be 664. This has been fixed in the hamm version of the package, which also includes such goodies as an X version of Nethack entry in your window-manager's menus, and sound, color, and proper IBM-ish graphics at the Linux console. Try upgrading to nethack_3.2.2-9, and let me know if that solves your problems. :) -- Brought to you by the letters Q and T and the number 6. Step away from the car. This car is protected by Viper. -- TMBG Ben Gertzfield http://www.imsa.edu/~wilwonka/ Finger me for my public PGP key. I'm on FurryMUCK as Che, and EFNet and YiffNet IRC as Che_Fox. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
1.3 or 1.3.1 kernel
Hi,
Anyone here know offhand that the 1.3 or 1.3.1 kernel has been
built with Generic SCSI device and Loopback device as loadable
module?
Secondly, is there some document somewhere describe how to build
a debian kernel and make it a *.deb package?
Lastly, how to build the loadable module in debian?
Many thanks in advance!
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Re: Preventing single user mode
D'OH! Well then, didn't really think to look at the man page for lilo.conf. Thanks for the assist. Timm On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:44:19 -0700, Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:27:53 GMT Timm Gleason ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Philippe Troin mentioned something about a password option, Lilo has a password option (which you probably want to use with the restricted option too). RTFM. but I have been unable to find anything about this. Where might I find the difinative source of Lilo documentation? Well, since I have to tell you everything... :-) % apropos lilo lilo (8) - install boot loader lilo.conf (5)- configuration file for lilo % man lilo.conf ===extracts=== password=password The per-image option `password=...' (see below) applies to all images. === restricted The per-image option `restricted' (see below) applies to all images. ===later on per-image options: password=password Protect the image by a password. restricted A password is only required to boot the image if parameters are specified on the command line (e.g. single). ===end=== I guess you want to use password=somethjing and restricted. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . ** Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. - Rich Cook ** Timm Gleason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://n2h2.com/ N2H2, Creators of Bess -- 1301 Fifth Avenue, Suite 1501--Seattle, WA 98101 ** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
How do I - boot into maitenence mode?
How do I - boot into maitenence mode. I have a machine about 6 months old that will not boot completely. I get the message : mounting local file systems ... and then the box hangs ... any ideas? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DMA with IDE on Triton II
I think you have to re-build the kernel with Triton IDE DMA support enabled. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
Nicole, Ah, about that cheap MIDI (possibly mute) keyboard, I saw that [EMAIL PROTECTED] was talking about it too, he was looking for midi software packages and mainly for software synthesis. Well, speaking of that, this is what I settled on. I turned out getting a Yamaha PSR-220. It cost about $220US, and considering that was not much more expensive than the keyboard with no sounds of its own, was better to get that one. Including power supply, warrenty, and midi camble, turned out costing about $300US total. It has turned out working very well. It works fine in place of a sound card (sounds MUCH better than FM Synthesis), and doesn't take up the processor like soft. syn. does. (thus making it possible to play games like Doom with it). It also works very well for inputting into a sequencer, as it can sense how hard you hit keys, etc. I'd say that for a midi-comp. keyboard, this is about as low as you'd want to go. Instruments sounded much more realistic (in general) than the Casio I tried. Has no pitch-wheel, but can play pitch-bend commands (so you could always add that later in the sequencer or something). The only dumb keyboard with no sounds in it, looked fairly nice, but I don't think it'd be worth it unless you found it for like $100US. Otherwise, might as well pay a bit more for the Yamaha and get a nice built-in synthesizer, and the ability to practice without being tied to the computer... Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.the-spa.com/shawn.fumo/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
HELP: Using sgvalib and ARK 2000 chipset
I am having a really hard time getting SVGALib working with my Stingray 64/V. I have the svgalib package in stable installed. I believe the Stingray uses the ARK 2000PV chipset XFree86 works fine. However, whenever I try a SVGAlib program, it either causes my monitor to 'sleep' or gives me a seg fault. I have copied my clocks from the XF86Config file. It just isn't terribly clear how I need to setup up different modes. Do I need a 'define' line for every mode I want to support? An example of a program that doesn't work: snes 9x (SNES emulator).. it either puts my monitor to sleep, or gives a seg fault. I am going to try a few other SVGAlib programs and I will let you all know the results. I am fairly familiar with monitor timing stuff, so if someone could provide a working SVGAlib config for ARK 2000PV I could probably adapt it to my setup. Thanks Chris Chris R. Martin Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Engineering (EE)WWW: http://http.tamu.edu/~crm7479/ Texas AM University If you must have delusions, at least have the good ones... - Marcus, B5. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 1.3 or 1.3.1 kernel
is there some document somewhere describe how to build a debian kernel and make it a *.deb package? The kernel-package package produces packaged kernels. Say that three times fast. Then install kernel-package and read its man page. Lastly, how to build the loadable module in debian? I generally decide what stuff goes in the kernel and what goes in a module using make menuconfig in /usr/src/linux. Then I make zLilo to install the kernel and make modules;make modules_install to install the modules. It'll take a few tries before you figure out the minimum number of drivers and filesystems your system needs to boot. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: KDE Questions and Approval ...
You should be aware that we have a little problem with KDE. It uses Qt, which isn't free software by Debian's definition. For this reason, we are looking very hard at several upcoming replacements for KDE, and will probably designate one as our preferred graphical desktop when it is ready. If I had to guess which one that would be today, I'd say GNOME, which you can read about at http://www.gnome.org/ . Other Linux distributions that care about free software will be making similar decisions. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Compiling kernel rm -rf asm linux scsi?
Carl == Carl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Carl You should just be aware that the 'make mrproper' also appears Carl to remove your '.config' file, so you should save it elsewhere Carl if you have already run a configure. make-kpkg clean (from kernel-package) call make mrproper while preserving your .config file. manoj -- Do not speak of what men deserve. For we each of us deserve everything, every luxury that was ever piled in the tombs of the dead Kings, and we each of us deserve nothing, not a mouthful of bread in hunger. Have we not eaten while another starved? Will you punish us for that? Will you reward us for the virtue of starving while others ate? No man earns punishment, no man earns reward. Free your mind of the idea of *deserving*, of *earning*, and you will begin to be able to think. Odo, The Prison Letters (Ursula LeGuin, _The Dispossessed_) Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: new debian user questions
I wrote: What config tool comes with cnews? with suck? with pppd? Jason Costomiris writes: I've got this great one. It's flexible in its operation, and very extensible. vi. Yes, I'm fairly familiar with it, having used it to (among other things) configure cnews since the early 1980's. However, I was responding to someone who claimed that every Debian package includes a config tool. After a decade or so of editing config files and scripts by hand the process becomes routine, but tedious. Why not let the computer do this stuff? Especially for those new to Unix, for whom the process is anything but routine? -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
