Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
Thomas Gebhardt wrote: Hi, Examples, please? I run a libc6 system, and there are way more packages available than are there on my libc6 (1.3.1) CDROM. What packages aren't available on a libc6 system? There are frequently unresolved dependencies on the ftp mirrors. Some Packages stay in Incoming for a very long time. Here is my current list of unresolved dependencies: running dpkg --pending --configure ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of jadetex: jadetex depends on hyperref; however: Package hyperref is not installed. dpkg: error processing jadetex (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of boot-floppies: boot-floppies depends on libc5-pic; however: Package libc5-pic is not installed. boot-floppies depends on ncurses3.0-pic; however: Package ncurses3.0-pic is not installed. dpkg: error processing boot-floppies (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kdeutils: kdeutils depends on kdelibs0g (= 1:Beta1.2-2); however: Version of kdelibs0g on system is 1:Beta2-1. dpkg: error processing kdeutils (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kdegraphics: kdegraphics depends on kdelibs0g (= 1:Beta1.2-2); however: Version of kdelibs0g on system is 1:Beta2-1. dpkg: error processing kdegraphics (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kdenetwork: kdenetwork depends on kdelibs0g (= 1:Beta1.2-2); however: Version of kdelibs0g on system is 1:Beta2-1. kdenetwork depends on kdesupport0g (= 1:Beta1.2-2); however: Version of kdesupport0g on system is 1:Beta2-1. dpkg: error processing kdenetwork (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: jadetex boot-floppies kdeutils kdegraphics kdenetwork Ahh finally someone who's seen the same thing. My post wasn't meant as a gripe, just as an announcement that although YES the new release is cool, NO it isn't yet complete and I'm always leary of installing any system (especially a packagized system such as Debian) when the dist is not fully complete (where dependencies are concerned). I imagine I'll wait for a few weeks and see what the braver members find as they upgrade. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wintermute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of which.. there are certain things at work which didn't mesh well with the hamm upgrade.. namely NIS, xcontrib, xdm, and a few others. It seems that even the newer version of NIS is not backwardly compatible with older versions... (why this is I haven't a clue).. Well I have run the older nis (2.20) on several libc6 systems, and all of them are now running the 3.0-2 version. No problems.. what exactly doesn't work? Will state problem clearly.. It's not a libc6 problem. It's a newer version of NIS won't talk to older version of NIS kind of problem. I have already verified this on our machines at work. For some reason, the new NIS clients in the new Debian package don't like talking with the older version on the Master server. If this is simply my probem, fine.. lord knows I didn't try to do extensive troubleshooting when it wouldn't work.. however, since it's only a new version, it should have extended, not replaced the existing framework of NIS, that kind of thing goes against every RFC out there. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libc5.4.38 available anywhere?
Steve Hsieh wrote: I see that libc5.4.33 is the most recent libc5 debian package in both the stable and unstable trees... 5.4.38 has been out for awhile -- is that available in a debian package anywhere? Steve Better duck.. the response will probably come back to upgrade to libc6... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen
Paul Serice wrote: Wintermute wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tommy Lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a bit of a tangent, how ready is the Hurd to replace the Linux kernel? I am not one of the people testing it. RMS is still running Debian on his laptop :-) What I would hope is that the HURD would support the 86open standard (essentially GNU LIBC with a cleaner substitute for ioctl()), and that a large number of Debian binary packages would run on all 86open platforms, including SCO and so on. We're going to have to get a lot farther with 86open before that happens. As I read more and more about Hurd.. I still can't stop thinking WHY?.. in a couple hundred more revisions.. the Linux kernel may well come close to being a microkernel. What are the clear cut benefits? (Just a few simple lines please.. no dissertations.. I'd as a professor of computer science for that...) There is a grand old discussion archived on KDE's web site at http://www.kde.org/food/linux_is_obsolete.html That's the one with Linus and the guy who created Minix right? I think I read through that old news archive about 2 years ago.. it came included on the Slackware CD release I had at the time. Cute.. funny.. but it didn't really answer any of the questions as to WHY. Is there a speed increase? Is there a security increase? Stability? Power? What? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen
Anand Kumria wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Wintermute wrote: I ask you.. what exactly is a debian... :) Funny you should mention that: I just happened to be going through my magazine and came across Linux Journal circa Dec 1994. On the cover Exclusive Art Exhibit: What Is a Linux and the rest of the cover is populate with the artistic impressions of what children belive a Linux looks like. I wonder what they think a Debian looks like ... Anand. -- You might just have something there hmmm -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: problem using gv
Cheng Tang wrote: The newer version of gv seems not work in my systerm. -- gv: error in loading shared libraries libXaw3d.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - Is there any way to fix it? Thanx. The missing file is in the package xaw3d or xaw3dg (the latter is for libc6). Install or reinstall that package. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Unsolicited email advertisements are not welcome; any person sending such will be invoiced for telephone time used in downloading together with a £25 administration charge. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Postgres What do you think
Iztok Umek wrote: Now I am downloading PostgreSQL 6.2.1 and will install it, hope old programs are still compatible with it. I'm its maintainer. Please let me know how you get on and tell me of any problems. (Incidentally, I should be uploading a new version tonight with some fixes to packaging bugs, and patches 1 to 6 from PostgreSQL development.) postgresql is newly packaged and does not inherit (on the Debian side) from postgres95. You will certainly need to dump and reload your database. Othervise... anyone knows good tool for www-postgres conectivity? Here's a message from the postgresql questions list: == Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk X-uidl: 8289d4edb93ea3a92bd3160a60effaef Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 16:10:51 +0100 From: Egon Schmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arthur Alacar [EMAIL PROTECTED], pgsql-questions@postgreSQL.org pgsql-questions@postgreSQL.org Subject: Re: [QUESTIONS] C interface.. Arthur Alacar wrote: If you want it, I have been using C as a CGI like web interface, I could sent you some of the code. Are you wanting a browser interface? php/fi is a great interface for web stuff. You embed the sql right in the web page. Yes I agree, but I did not know about it untill about 3 weeks ago, learned about it here. so where can i get this? http://php.iquest.net/ You can get the php2 or php3 (alpha). It is now called ´Professional Home Pages´. The FI in the name has been dropped. Egon == I'll think about packaging this once I'm happy that the basic package is OK. Oliver -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Unsolicited email advertisements are not welcome; any person sending such will be invoiced for telephone time used in downloading together with a £25 administration charge. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
SCSI Drives
Hi, my hard disk is getting too small (or rather debian is growing...) and it's time to get a new SCSI disk. Could people share with me their experiences as to what disks were reliable and fast? TIA, Luis. -- Luis Francisco Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint = F8 B1 13 DE 22 22 94 A1 14 BE 95 8E 49 39 78 76 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SCSI Drives
We use Segate Baracudas in our Comm Room. They work well, but it should also be taken into account they are in a climate controlled environement. I have heard of others who also really like these, but there are a few that totally despise them... maybe they could help better explain as to why they are bad and what would be better! :) Thanks, Dennis -- dpk [EMAIL PROTECTED], Systems/Network | work: 353.4844 Division of Engineering Computing Services | page: 222.5875 On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: Hi, my hard disk is getting too small (or rather debian is growing...) and it's time to get a new SCSI disk. Could people share with me their experiences as to what disks were reliable and fast? TIA, Luis. -- Luis Francisco Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint = F8 B1 13 DE 22 22 94 A1 14 BE 95 8E 49 39 78 76 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
SPI contacts ...
Hi, How does one contact SPI directly? Is there an SPI list? I have some questions about SPI related, but not necessarily debian related issues. Thanks in advance, Richard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SPI contacts ...
The current board members are myself, Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED], and Tim Sailer [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Ian Jackson will probably be elected to the board shortly. I may have to leave it soon (depending on how our lawyer reads non-profit law - I might now have a conflict). Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: colormap in X server
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Cheng Tang wrote: Is there a way to increase colormap in X server? Everytime I start netscape, all other program (asclock, gimp, etc) can no longer use color. I don't know whether this is due to constraints in my setting in X or the hardware. How can I find this out and fix this problem? Thanks a lot!! I assume you mean how to increase the number of bits per pixel, which would in fact result in a larger colormap and stop the sudden color-switch when netscape loads itself up. X defaults to eight bits per pixel (bpp) - you can change that default, but first pick a value for bpp that you're comfortable with. To test values, switch out of X to a text console and do: startx -- :1 -bpp n Where n is one of 8, 15, 16, 24, or 32. Note that the higher you go in terms of bpp, the worse your resolution gets. Test out this X screen (this screen, by the way, will open on virtual console 8, so you can use Ctrl-Alt-F8 to switch to it; Ctrl-Alt-F7 gives you your regular X session) Once you find a value for bpp that you like (I use 16 bpp at 1152x864 quite happily with a mere 2 MB of video memory) add the following line to /etc/X11/XF86Config, in the Screen section, right after the Driver line that mentions which X server you're using: DefaultColorDepth n where n is the value you picked. For example, since I use the SVGA server, a piece of my /etc/X11/XF86Config looks like this: Section Screen Driver SVGA DefaultColorDepth 16 Device Primary Card Monitor Primary Monitor Then just restart the X server (If you're using xdm, logging out of your X session and doing a Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace should do the trick) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: colormap in X server
Cheng Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a way to increase colormap in X server? Everytime I start netscape, all other program (asclock, gimp, etc) can no longer use color. I don't know whether this is due to constraints in my setting in X or the hardware. How can I find this out and fix this problem? Thanks a lot!! Try running X with `-bpp 16' or `-bpp 24'. (bpp == bits per pixel) Default bpp is 8. If you use startx, you should say startx -bpp 16 (or was it `startx -- -bpp 16') If you use xdm, change the line in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers :0 local /path/to/X to :0 local /path/to/X -bpp 16 - Hari -- Raja R Harinath -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] When all else fails, read the instructions. -- Cahn's Axiom Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing. -- Roy L Ash -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: allow mount to normal user
On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 08:15:41AM -0600, W Paul Mills wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Adam Klein wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 1997 at 05:02:06PM -0600, Paul Serice wrote: Adam Klein wrote: The problem with that is that you can only specify one filesystem type. I've got this problem two. Is there a solution? I believe using auto as the file type should do the trick. Paul Serice Nope, that doesn't work. Adam I use auto, it works fine for me as long as the proper module is loaded. That was my problem. I have MS-DOS as a module, and it auto-loads when I use it. Thanks!. Adam Klein -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP modem woes continue, IRQ never fires for modem
You mentioned that it doesn't appear in /proc/interrupts; what about /proc/ioports? Yes, the serial device appears in /proc/ioports as: ... 0x3f8: serial (set) ... BTW, how do you talk to a modem from DOS? I want to try what Nathan suggested and see if the modem is a 'WinModem'. How else could you tell if not from DOS? Regards, -c __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP modem woes continue, IRQ never fires for modem
On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 08:43:17PM -0600, Charles Read wrote: BTW, how do you talk to a modem from DOS? I want to try what Nathan suggested and see if the modem is a 'WinModem'. How else could you tell if not from DOS? Another test-- can you use the modem with one of Windows' Standard 28800 modem type drivers, or do you have to use on specifically for your modem? AFAIK WinModem is a USR idea, while your modem is Lucent based, ie K56Flex (USR is x2). So I think it's unlikely to be the problem. hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP modem woes continue, IRQ never fires for modem
On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 08:43:17PM -0600, Charles Read wrote: You mentioned that it doesn't appear in /proc/interrupts; what about /proc/ioports? Yes, the serial device appears in /proc/ioports as: ... 0x3f8: serial (set) ... Hmmm. That's a good sign. Perhaps there IS an IRQ problem; I noticed you said there is no echo; I sometimes find that the echo comes back much later when there is an IRQ conflict, any sign of that? BTW, how do you talk to a modem from DOS? I want to try what Nathan suggested and see if the modem is a 'WinModem'. How else could you tell if not from DOS? Telix? Grab tlx322-1.zip from the msdos/telix directory on your local simtelnet mirror, or use archie, web search etc. You only need disk 1 (of 4) to get it going. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP modem woes continue, IRQ never fires for modem
Another test-- can you use the modem with one of Windows' Standard 28800 modem type drivers, or do you have to use on specifically for your modem? A tech-support person with the company that built my system just told me that all 56K modems they deal with are 'Windows-based'. We walked through a simple AT command in DOS, and COM1 (ie, 0x3f8) emitted an I/O error. AFAIK WinModem is a USR idea, while your modem is Lucent based, ie K56Flex (USR is x2). So I think it's unlikely to be the problem. Interesting. This modem came from Computer Peripherals. Maybe they do 'Win modems' based on Lucent chipset. That seems to be the case Sigh. Guess I might have to buy another modem, -c __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP modem woes continue, IRQ never fires for modem
On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 09:57:05PM -0600, Charles Read wrote: Another test-- can you use the modem with one of Windows' Standard 28800 modem type drivers, or do you have to use on specifically for your modem? A tech-support person with the company that built my system just told me that all 56K modems they deal with are 'Windows-based'. We walked through a simple AT command in DOS, and COM1 (ie, 0x3f8) emitted an I/O error. Hmmm. What process did he use to figure that out? Possible I guess .. hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Get Your Mailbox Stuffed with CASH for the Holidays!
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Hogland, Thomas E. wrote: The word from the US Postal Service is: According to 18 USC sec 1302 (the Postal Lottery Laws always quoted in these letters) , if the letter asks you to send money someplace and says that you'll make a big return on it by forwarding the letter, it's illegal. Doesn't matter if there's a product for sale or not - if it asks you to send money and promises you'll get money back it'll illegal. Also, if it's a send a postcard and you'll get back a thousand postcards it's legal (no $$$ changing hands and a postcard has no real value according to law). 18 USC 1341 (or 1342 - I can't remember) says that causing this mail to be sent is illegal - you don't have to send it yourself... Fines range from $1000 to $1,000,000 and jail time from 30 days to 30 years. the problem is the postal service laws have no sway on electronic mail and this kind of message is currently totally legal :( there are moves to make the junk-fax law cover e-mail as well but the companies that use spam-email (like Cyberpromo.com) are fighting against it with lobbyists, trying to pass other laws that would only curb spam-email at the cost of the ISP and therefore the users who want ot be protected from it. G'razel the shifty kitty Tapestries FurryMUCK SPR Furtoonia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aye.net/~kestrel To err is human, To purr feline. -- Robert Byrne -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP modem woes continue, IRQ never fires for modem
Another test-- can you use the modem with one of Windows' Standard 28800 modem type drivers, or do you have to use on specifically for your modem? A tech-support person at Cybermax Computer, which built my system, just told me that all of their 56K modems are Windows-based. We walked through a simple AT command under DOS, and COM1 (ie, 0x3f8) emitted an I/O error. It appears my modem is one of the dreaded 'Win modems'. AFAIK WinModem is a USR idea, while your modem is Lucent based, ie K56Flex (USR is x2). So I think it's unlikely to be the problem. Interesting. Computer Peripherals made my modem. Maybe they make 'Win modems' based on the Lucent chipset. At least that appears to be the case. I guess I have to buy another modem...Sigh. -c __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Wintermute == Wintermute [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wintermute KDE is the prime example I give offhand. Only 2 days ago Wintermute I attempted to install it, yet their were libraries and Wintermute such that it required that were needed but not there. I Wintermute think it could be another repeat of the xlib6g Wintermute thing.. where the package probably IS there, it's just Wintermute that the dependant package knows it by another name. Actually, it is not as bad as that. Some of the kde packages are at version 1:Beta2-1, tohers have been upgraded to 1:Beta1.2-2 (they should have been moved off master at the same time, but there seems to be a hitch) Because of this, if you try to install a new kde package from Hamm, it depends on a version that is still lying in Incoming. Your timing is rather unfortunate. A little while ago, the kde packages were consistent (all were at 1:Beta2-1), and hopefully, now that Guy is back, they shall soon be consistent again (at 1:Beta1.2-2) I understand this could be frustating, but Hamm *is* labeled unstable at the moment, and the reason is that minor glitches like this do occur. (One could download the packages straight out of incoming, you know). Please understand that it is difficult for us to have any changes made to the unstable distribution without gliches like this occuring; We have 200+ part time volunteers, and real life does tend to intrude. We do try to minimize the glitches. Unstable, despite these glitches, still has many more packages than 1.3.1 R6, and is quite usable (I use it as my primary [and only] machine). manoj I understand. I'm not knocking the dist. It's just that people have had a sort of salesman like attitude of pushing the new dist on me. Originally this thread was about getting a libc5 version of the Gimp .99.15 put into the 1.3.1 dist area for others like myself to easily install rather than having to suffer with .54 .. However, as you can now see, it's gotten blown WAY outta proportion. Thanks for the information. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 07:07:45PM -0500, Wintermute wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 01:54:18AM -0500, Wintermute wrote: How about the fact that there are numerous packages that depend on others that AREN'T there...for starters? Such as? Please provide examples. Don't play coy.. try to install KDE from the new distribution... see what it sais about dependencies.. and tell me why it won't install. Aha. You implied that upgrading to hamm from bo would break things, which obviously isn't the case for KDE because KDE isn't in bo at all. I think it is reasonable that new packages are less stable than things that are in bo, but either way it is development software. On top of this, KDE is optional contrib, not part of the main distribution. Perhaps you have a better example? KDE was an example of dependency problems. However, as a proving ground if you like.. attempt to get the NIS version in hamm to work with the NIS available in bo. It looks like a break to me. And for the record Hammish I was stating opinion ...IMHO I don't like the looks of hamm yet to upgrade. I'll WAIT until it's got most of the bugs worked out before I throw myself into the fray. I used to be adventurous.. about 40 Linux upgrades ago (I started out with Slackware long long ago, so you know what I mean by PAIN).. but now I'd rather take the slow and easy route, so as to save me more time spent fixing little problems that may arise in the upgrade process. (You should be happy with this answer as that's what Debian has set out to do.. make it EASY to have an upgradeable/stable Linux system.) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HELP: CD install of 1.3.1 with Panasonic 24x
-- From: Daniel Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Albert Hurd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: HELP: CD install of 1.3.1 with Panasonic 24x Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 7:26 AM Many, many thanks to Daniel Martin and also to Hamish Moffat for helping me past the problem. Albert Hurd On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Albert Hurd wrote: I am trying to install Debian 1.3.1 from CheapBytes disk on a new computer (and a newbie at Linux) which has a Matshita (Panasonic) CR-585 24x CDRom. At the point in the install where it tries to access the CDRom, it halts with the error message: mount: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device. I don't know if this is your problem, but I got the same error installing 1.3.1 on a machine because I'd incorrectly specified where the CD drive was; I thought it was /dev/hdb when it's really /dev/hdc. Try doing the install again directly from CD and once you get past the step where you specify your keyboard, hit ALT-F2 to get to a shell screen, and run the command dmesg | more Then look through there for the bit where it detects your hard drive (this will be the bit where it says hda), and see if it detects your CD drive, and what device it thinks it is. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Pioneer DR-A24X
Hi How did you know that I was trying since yesterday to get this CD-ROM drive to work in my machine :-) It didn't halt it just would not mount. Thank you very much. Krzysztof On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Pere Camps wrote: Hi! Just to let you know (I don't know who to address really) but in order to make a Pioneer DR-A24X CD-ROM drive (ATAPI) work you have to append this in lilo: append=hdx=noprobe hdx=cdrom Otherwise it'll halt your machine. Salutacions, Pere __o mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2:343/108.91 - _`\;_ http://casal.upc.es/~pere/ PGP key available --- (_)/ (_)Lo importante es el concepto -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 11:20:05PM -0500, Wintermute wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 07:07:45PM -0500, Wintermute wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 01:54:18AM -0500, Wintermute wrote: How about the fact that there are numerous packages that depend on others that AREN'T there...for starters? KDE was an example of dependency problems. However, as a proving ground if you like.. attempt to get the NIS version in hamm to work with the NIS available in bo. It looks like a break to me. Yes, I seem to recall someone else on the list explaining this. Is is a temporary bug with hamm or is it just a new version which is incompatible (and always will be) with the old one? If the latter, it's not a hamm problem. And for the record Hammish I was stating opinion ...IMHO I don't like the looks of hamm yet to upgrade. I'll WAIT until it's got most of the bugs worked out before I throw myself into the fray. I used to be Fine. I just wanted to know what it is about hamm that you don't like so far. The developers need to know what problems people are having with the software and the packaging before it can be fixed. I started with Slackware 2.3, a couple of years ago. I upgraded it by hand to ELF, effectively Slackware 3.0, eventually got sick of the huge mess they called an OS and installed Debian 1.1. Good move. :-) hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Logo
George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Got to thinking that it might look a little better with blue lettering rather than red. Red bird, blue eye, blue lettering. Does not take any additional colors and adds a little contrast or something. You are right - blue text is better than red. But why use text at all? Why not just let the penguin be the the logo? Then it can be used with or without text, depending on the context. - Sten Anderson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
installing on a new disk from a running system
Hi, I just got a new disk and mainboard (yay!) but I have to do some work tonight. So I just put my old disk in the new system and booted, and things are working great (and a whole lot faster - 386-16 to K6). However, I'd love to have a fresh new install to my new disk going on as I work. Can I do this? Or is it necessary to dedicate my computer to the install process? The new disk is totally blank, except that I just partitioned it. I don't want to copy the old system, I want a new installation. Thanks, Havoc Pennington -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Hardware ?
Hey all, I was going to buy a SCSI card for a SyQuest SyJet drive, and was wordering if anyone had luck with the Adaptec AHA-2910B card? It's not listed in the Hardware Howto. Also... Is there a different pinout for SCSI-2 vs. Ultra SCSI ? And lastly... Does anyone have any good/bad stories for SyJet or Jaz drives? -Brian -- Brian Rectanus Kansas State University Computing and Informational Sciences Multimedia/Web Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.ksu.edu/~trojan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kernel 2.1.68/69
2.1.70 is out now ... -- Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Life is a comedy for those who think, a tragedy for those who feel. -- Anatole France -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
moving apache from slackware to debian tools
I've figured out enough of where everything is to get the web server running, and it indeed comes up with the pages correctly. However, I don't have the tool type of file working for some reason. Instead of executing, their text merely loads. And these are generally suid scripts; these are to manage mail accounts and such. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hardware ?
Hi, I have been very happy with Buslogic BT-958 Ulstra (Fast-20) Wide controller. The so called SCSI-3 defines a 68-pin 2-Byte wide connector (and cable); SCSI-2 has a 50 pin (1Byte/8bit wide) connector and cables. You can attach a scsi2 8bit device on an ultra controller (that's how my exabyte 8700 tape is attached) *provided* you get a scsi2-scsi3 adaptor. I'd strongly recommend BusLogic. manoj -- The fourth law of thermodynamics: The perversity of the universe tends towards a maximum. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian Installation Problem, PLEASE HELP!!!
Hello! Please help me, I'm new to Linux. My System is: 486 DX 33, 20 MB RAM , 1.275 Conner HDD (part.: 500 - M$-DO$, 150 - / , 60 -swap, 300 - /usr, 100 - /home , ~150 - /var) Sound Blaster Pro and a Panasonic 2x connected to it. 14.4 Modem. Floppies: 1.2MB 5.25, 1.44MB 3.5. I installed Debian from the 1.2 floppy, and used this method until the drivers disk was over, then I mounted the CD to /mnt and used loop to mount the image file again to /mnt2 (My friend make the CDs for me, and he just copied the image files to the CDs). I had no problems until dselect started - and when I told it to use previously mounted fs (or something like this) it asked me where the non_free (or something like that) is and then where is the local dir. all the rest of the CD was okay. Now for the problems: 1) When I set the CD drive up it told me to that I should read linux/documentation/cdrom/sbpcd and then configure sbpcd.h the linux directory does not exists on my system, not does this file on any other directory. 2) Although everything on the (optional) X11 section is installed (checked twice.), the file /usr/X11R6/bin/SuperProbe doesn't exists (Installation and Getting started said it should be there), and maybe some other files I don't know I need (BTW: no startx too). 3) I don't have the directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc, and don't have the man pages for XFree86 or XFree86Config. 4) The file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config.eg doesn't exists, the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config is a link to /etc/X11/XF86Config, that doesn't exists. 5) When I try to start x by executing ./X it says that it can't find configuration file (This is the only understandable problem till now) 6) Why isn't . in my path? I don't want to execute every program by ./command. How do I put it in the path? 7) When I installed the installation process said I can't install lilo in the / since it ends on the 1090th cylinder, will I be able to put lilo in the MBR? Should I just destroy everything, repartition and install again? 8) I don't have the kernel source in where it should be (I can't remember now, but you all know what I mean), and I can't (can I?) recompile the kernel so it doesn't try to find so many things at the beginning. BTW: gcc is the only program that I know that works (I didn't try something too fancy but I think it was enough). 9) Here I would like to hear your opinion: I use C shell at my Uni. (here) what is better C shell or bash? (I don't know bash, so take that into consideration). Thank you vary much!!! (BTW: I don't expect you to answer all the questions/problems) Liran Zvibel P.S I wanted to register as a Debian user at www.slashdot.org and didn't find where. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
HELP!!! ld.so disaster!!
Hi! I was checking my machine for exploits, and one of the vulnerabilities encountered was due to having an older ld_so, and the script recommended that I upgrade to ld_so_1.9.3 or greater... To my disaster, I saw that the only ld_so greater than 1.8 was in the hamm section... upon attempting to upgrade to the hamm 1.9.6 it screwed everything up!!! And it seems EVERYTHING, including ls, cp, vi, dpkg, etc etc is DYNAMICALLY LINKED!!! So I've lost my ld.so, and I can't seem to find a way to do anything anymore! NONE of the critical utilities function anymore! PLEASE HELP!!! HOW CAN I SOLVE THIS PROBLEM?? PLEASE REPLY TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks Ricardo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen
As I read more and more about Hurd.. I still can't stop thinking WHY?.. in a couple hundred more revisions.. the Linux kernel may well come close to being a microkernel. What are the clear cut benefits? (Just a few simple lines please.. no dissertations.. I'd as a professor of computer science for that...) There is a grand old discussion archived on KDE's web site at http://www.kde.org/food/linux_is_obsolete.html That's the one with Linus and the guy who created Minix right? I think I read through that old news archive about 2 years ago.. it came included on the Slackware CD release I had at the time. Cute.. funny.. but it didn't really answer any of the questions as to WHY. Is there a speed increase? Is there a security increase? Stability? Power? What? It does answer those questions. According to the people who know (which excludes me), the monolithic kernel is arguably faster and much easier to program. The microkernel is supposedly more modular and more portable. The discussion is each side debunking other. Paul Serice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hardware ?
Brian M. Rectanus wrote: Hey all, I was going to buy a SCSI card for a SyQuest SyJet drive, and was wordering if anyone had luck with the Adaptec AHA-2910B card? It's not listed in the Hardware Howto. Despite the Herculean effort of the good folks who program the Adaptec drivers, they still have bugs and probably always will because, the last I heard, Adaptec is not terribly friendly to the Linux community especially as compared to Buslogic. Buslogic actually gives out the needed information to the people who develop the Buslogic drivers so there's no Well, I guess that's how it works built into the driver. Take a look at http://www.dandelion.com/Linux/ Paul Serice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hardware ?
Hi, I have been very happy with Buslogic BT-958 Ulstra (Fast-20) Wide controller. The so called SCSI-3 defines a 68-pin 2-Byte wide connector (and cable); SCSI-2 has a 50 pin (1Byte/8bit wide) connector and cables. You can attach a scsi2 8bit device on an ultra controller (that's how my exabyte 8700 tape is attached) *provided* you get a scsi2-scsi3 adaptor. That's a wide-to-narrow adapter, not a scsi3-scsi2 adapter (it doesn't reduce the command set, nor the timing). You can run narrow devices on a wide cable provided you use an adapter, downward compatible (scsi3, scsi2, scsi1). Some scsi host adapters have narrow and wide connectors, thus you can run both wide and narrow devices without adapters on different cables simultaneously. For narrow devices, there was no change in the connector pinout, however scsi-3 wide has that new connector Monaj mentions. The maximum distance between connectors for ultra devices was reduced notably due to the tighter specifications required by the faster timing. There's a usenet scsi group with a faq which goes into much more detail. David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: colormap in X server
Cheng Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a way to increase colormap in X server? Everytime I start netscape, all other program (asclock, gimp, etc) can no longer use color. You can change to 16bpp or 24bpp colour in X, *or* if your video card isn't fast enough, you can run netscape -install so that Netscape uses its own colours. This can be a bit ugly at times, though. -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc Trust Ivanova. Trust yourself. Anybody else - shoot 'em. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Backup systems: opinions wanted
Hi, How do people backup their machines? What packages do you use? How do the backends (dd, dump/restore tar afio/cpio) compare wrt reliability/ease of use? [dd is just for completeness.] I would like a full backup, so I guess tar is out as a backend (can't handle special files). I guess I would like to hear abot dump vs afio. __ | Tar | cpio / afio |__ can't handle special files. |may get confused with multiple |hard links. | One copy of hard-linked files, but |Many copies of hardlinked files, can retrieve file using that one|but can be restored using any name only. |of the names | Uses checksums. |No checksums | stops at first sign of corruption | Skips over corrupted area | Blocked to start on a record| boundary| | headers always 512 bytes|Efficient use of space for headers | __ The last time I dealt with backups, I was backing up 30 machines remotely to a tape drive like the moster ones in all the 70's movies, using a mess of home grown scripts and dump/restore. I'd rather not have to re-write the scripts (haven't things gotten easier in the last decade?), so I'm now looking for backup solutions where I don't have to write the scripts. I have come up with the following (based entirely on the descriptions) __ Amanda: Powerful. Reassuringly, it seems to use dump/restore, which I understand. Knows which tape and where on the tape to look for to restore a file (I like that). Cons: Overkill for a single machine. afbackup: Again, client server, which I don't need; says it should be easy to use on just one machine. goes to end of tape automatically. Hmm. tape marks written (I assume that's what the description is trying to say). No idea what the backend is -- afio? dump:An old friend. I used to do tower of hanoi backups -- has dump levels, is integrated in (even fstab format caters to dump/restore). Requires book keeping. Reliability of Linux dump? tob: tar/afio. full/differential/incremental backups, determines size beforehand floppybackup: Well, I have a tape. taper: selection using mouseless commander? recursively selected dirs are supported? This does not sound like what I need to backup several *partitions*. __ manoj -- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro... Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Installation Problem, PLEASE HELP!!!
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, David Stern wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:47:02 +0200, Liran Zvibel wrote: 2) Although everything on the (optional) X11 section is installed (checked twice.), the file /usr/X11R6/bin/SuperProbe doesn't exists (Installation and Getting started said it should be there), and maybe some other files I don't know I need (BTW: no startx too). Sounds like you don't have X installed. Did you install the XFree86 package for your video card? Hello again! Thanks for the quick respond! I think X is installed since all the packages in the X11 section of dselect are installed. My video card is Trident 8900 (yes, some people still use it...) I didn't find it in any of the special servers so I installed the _SVGA one. Isn't that enough? IN the configure section it asked me whether I want _SVGA to be my server and I said I did, So I think X is installed (I'm not sure though...). Thanks again, Bye, Liran Zvibel. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Installation Problem, PLEASE HELP!!!
Liran Zvibel wrote:... Now for the problems: 1) When I set the CD drive up it told me to that I should read linux/documentation/cdrom/sbpcd and then configure sbpcd.h the linux directory does not exists on my system, not does this file on any other directory. That message is in the text of the sbpcd driver. The file is in the linux kernel source code. There is a Debian package, but you haven't loaded it. If your CD is working, you can safely ignore this message. [various X problems] Is xbase properly installed? Check with `dpkg -l xbase'. 6) Why isn't . in my path? I don't want to execute every program by ./command. How do I put it in the path? Don't put it in your path as superuser. As an ordinary user, add this line to your .bash_profile and .bashrc: export PATH=$PATH:. or if you are using C shell (see below), this should go in .login and .cshrc: setenv PATH $PATH:. (I think) You can also run those commands directly in an interactive session. There are quite a lot of places where this command could be put: /etc/profile should do it for all bash, Bourne shell and Korn shell users at login time, unless they are using xdm to log in. Once you get X working, it has its own configuration set up, both system- wide and per user. If /etc/environment exists (again for bash users), the bash form can go in there. Other scripts ought to include /etc/environment (but check that they really do.) For example, this is my /etc/profile: == # /etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for bash(1). if [ -f /etc/environment ] then . /etc/environment fi ulimit -c unlimited umask 022 PS1='\h:\w\$ ' export PS1 == 7) When I installed the installation process said I can't install lilo in the / since it ends on the 1090th cylinder, will I be able to put lilo in the MBR? Should I just destroy everything, repartition and install again? There is quite a lot to be said for keeping the root partition small: mine is 50Mb, with /usr and /var on separate partitions. Make sure the root partition is early in the disk and you should be OK. (This is to do with PC BIOS limitations.) 8) I don't have the kernel source in where it should be (I can't remember now, but you all know what I mean), and I can't (can I?) recompile the kernel so it doesn't try to find so many things at the beginning. BTW: gcc is the only program that I know that works (I didn't try something too fancy but I think it was enough). Install the kernel source package; then you can build yourself a kernel customised to your particular system. 9) Here I would like to hear your opinion: I use C shell at my Uni. (here) what is better C shell or bash? (I don't know bash, so take that into consideration). If you know C shell, use tcsh; if you know Bourne or Korn shell, use bash. I never learnt C shell, so I don't like it and I use bash. For writing scripts, use bash. Debian installation always assumes bash is present; you would probably do well to learn it, even if you decide to use tcsh as your normal shell. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Unsolicited email advertisements are not welcome; any person sending such will be invoiced for telephone time used in downloading together with a £25 administration charge. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hardware ?
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Brian M. Rectanus wrote: Also... Is there a different pinout for SCSI-2 vs. Ultra SCSI ? No, there is no difference. There are two types of SCSI connectors [1], wide (68 pins) and narrow (50 pins). You can easily fit an Ultra SCSI drive on a SCSI-2 controller and vice versa. The devices will assume the highest speed both support. Remco [1] We're talking internal devices here. For external drives there are many types of connectors. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
tip: X and matrox millenium II
I finally got my Matrox MIllenium II card to work with X and debian. The reason I had so much trouble, is that none of the debian xserver releases have the latest SVGAxserver with the matrox millenium driver. Not even hamm has these drivers. Confusion is caused by the numbering of the debian releases. The latest release of X is 3.3.1(ftp.XFree86.org) Hamm had a release number of 3.3.3. This is not the latest version. You have to go the XFree86 ftp site after following the instructions at the http://matrox.alloy.net site. I hope this saves somebody some time and aggravation. Donald Harter Jr. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: No bound server for domain Watkins
cmI have had a look out on the net and it appears to be something to cmdo with TCP/IP / DHCP but I could do with some fairly detailed info cmas to what to do as I am a linux newbie. Most likely, you installed YP (also called NIS), but didn't set it up right. If you don't need NIS (or don't know what NIS is), try removing it via dselect and seeing if it goes away. The package seems to be named nis. I could do this, but I'm using this all as a learning experience so I'd like to know how to configure it right. I've done a config, run the make process, but I'm still getting this error :( What else do I need to do? Ian W -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Backup systems: opinions wanted
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : How do people backup their machines? What packages do you use? : How do the backends (dd, dump/restore tar afio/cpio) compare wrt : reliability/ease of use? [dd is just for completeness.] I would like : a full backup, so I guess tar is out as a backend (can't handle : special files). I guess I would like to hear abot dump vs afio. We use BRU here. It's a commercial product but we like it and its quite good. Being commercial is the only drawback. There is another tool called KBackup. I think it uses tar or cpio as the backend. I haven't taken a look at KBackup lately but I am planning to do so. Regards, E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9431645 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mailinglists documented
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Martin Schulze wrote: All the mailing lists that are served on lists.debian.org are now documented in one file and this should reflect their actual state. You'll find this file on your favourite Debian mirror in /debian/doc/mailing-lists.txt. This file is a complete rewrite. Good work! I would like to add that this file may be also found in /usr/doc/debian/mailing-lists.txt after installing the doc-debian_1.5.0 package from hamm. Thanks. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNIU8JCqK7IlOjMLFAQEqMQP/fEHCjyM6E3geGLEUpxPOOFlQa6yu06+g Ywn8+Qs1rbuNHj8aOrJ200qenrMP+mxNHVnQRh7Maqr0zVdj5pg9QL6TQmsSzwFB hu1j4QShCfZiSUlSbyZm2XNvXgVsgb7YrWmHbZC9kaE5jxKtzoLYXQPg6pSQTgEe QltUastXuAM= =+eUf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hardware ?
Hey all, I was going to buy a SCSI card for a SyQuest SyJet drive, and was wordering if anyone had luck with the Adaptec AHA-2910B card? It's not listed in the Hardware Howto. Hi. Don't buy SIIG :) BusLogic is probably the best choice. Also... Is there a different pinout for SCSI-2 vs. Ultra SCSI ? That's a mystery which SCSI is what. There are wide, ultra, and fast SCSI. All these can happen to SCSI-3, some things can (except wide) happen to SCSI-2. The main diffrence in SCSI-2 and SCSI-3 is the width of the bus - 50 vs. 68 pin. The good thing is that you can put 50-pin device on 68-pin bus and vice versa. And lastly... Does anyone have any good/bad stories for SyJet or Jaz drives? Jaz - bad. SyJet - good :) I had both and I can tell you that Jaz is *garbage*. I don't know a single person around satisfied with it. Data corruption is a usual thing. The worst of all is that drive can be easily damaged by defective cartrige. Mine even stopped spinning ... SyJet is not perfect either - there are substantial fraction of defective drives, so make sure you will have opportunity to exchange it. It is *much* better than Jaz though. Substantially less proprietary features. Just a standard scsi device. SyQuest guys paid less attention to supporting Windows software but that's of zero matter in Linux. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
processes after exit from X
Hi, A while back I send an email to the effect that X processes survive X and eat up huge amount sof CPU time. IN my case it is the FVWMbuttons. Other people said that happened on their compuiters too. I am using 3.3.1-1 and haven't moved to 3.3.1-2 yet but I was wondering if there is a script which get executed at the very end of the X session where I might be able to put a line which will kill the problematic x processes. Thanks George --- George Kapetanios Churchill College Cambridge, CB3 0DSE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U.K. WWW: http://garfield.chu.cam.ac.uk/~gk205/work_info.html --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
KDE mismatched packages...
Hey.. Is there anyreason that some of the packages in non-free are beta2-1 and some are beta2-2? Very frustrating when there isn't enough of either of them for a full install. Adam. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Problems with afbackup.
hello, I'm using Linux Slakware with a kernel 2.0.25, and afbackup 2.9. I probed afbackup 2.6 to but there are the same problems. During the installation of both, server and client were no problems. The telnet to afbackup port was ok. But when I started the following: client -X /my/path/full_backup -h my.host.de I get this errors: Error : Authentication failed. Exiting. Error : command 126 failed (running a backup as client failed). At both, client and server has the same password. Can anybody help my?? thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP modem woes continue, IRQ never fires for modem
Charles Read wrote: Another test-- can you use the modem with one of Windows' Standard 28800 modem type drivers, or do you have to use on specifically for your modem? A tech-support person at Cybermax Computer, which built my system, just told me that all of their 56K modems are Windows-based. We walked through a simple AT command under DOS, and COM1 (ie, 0x3f8) emitted an I/O error. It appears my modem is one of the dreaded 'Win modems'. AFAIK WinModem is a USR idea, while your modem is Lucent based, ie K56Flex (USR is x2). So I think it's unlikely to be the problem. Interesting. Computer Peripherals made my modem. Maybe they make 'Win modems' based on the Lucent chipset. At least that appears to be the case. I guess I have to buy another modem...Sigh. -c Bad news follows! :( I had a winmodem based on the Lucent chipset and went through exactly what you're going through. Luckily it crapped out while under warranty and the replacement I got was based on the Rockwell chipset, which uses a real UART, and works fine under Linux. You definitely have a dreaded winmodem and unless you have access to proprietary information from Lucent and the board manufacturer AND you have the ability to write the signal processing and interface control software for that chipset, your modem will never work under Linux. --Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Backup systems: opinions wanted
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : How do people backup their machines? What packages do you use? : How do the backends (dd, dump/restore tar afio/cpio) compare wrt : reliability/ease of use? [dd is just for completeness.] I would like : a full backup, so I guess tar is out as a backend (can't handle : special files). I guess I would like to hear abot dump vs afio. We use BRU here. It's a commercial product but we like it and its quite good. Being commercial is the only drawback. There is another tool called KBackup. I think it uses tar or cpio as the backend. I haven't taken a look at KBackup lately but I am planning to do so. Regards, E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9431645 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
backup
I have 2 harddrives in my system. The main hd is going bad and I would like to copy everything to the second and use that as the main drive. Is it possible to copy EVERYTHING to the second hd and just run lilo on it ? If so, anyone know all the options to use with cp for this to work ? (or a complete command line that worked) Matthew -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: backup
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Matthew Tebbens wrote: I have 2 harddrives in my system. The main hd is going bad and I would like to copy everything to the second and use that as the main drive. Is it possible to copy EVERYTHING to the second hd and just run lilo on it ? If so, anyone know all the options to use with cp for this to work ? (or a complete command line that worked) I've had pretty good luck with just 'cp -a'. You probably don't want to copy /proc, however. Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: allow mount to normal user
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Paul Serice wrote: Adam Klein wrote: man mount and search for the following language: Note that the auto type may be useful for user- mounted floppies. Make sure you're putting auto in the right place. For example, /dev/scd0 /cdrom iso9660 ro,suid,dev,exec,noauto,user,async 0 1 /dev/fd0 /floppy auto rw,suid,dev,exec,noauto,user,sync 0 0 ^^ This definitely works for me as far as auto detecting ext2 or vfat floppies via the KDE floppy mount icon (or the rustic command line). Something else I've learned is that if you plan on using auto, I would recompile your kernel to exclude msdos support but include vfat support. The reason is that auto will check first for msdos 8.3 format. Because vfat floppies meet the criteria, they will be mounted as 8.3. If you compile out msdos support, you'll be able to mount the floppies as vfat. Shouldn't a bug report be filed against mount? It only makes sense for mount auto to check in the order Specific - Generic, not the other way round. -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: backup
Matthew Tebbens wrote: I have 2 harddrives in my system. The main hd is going bad and I would like to copy everything to the second and use that as the main drive. Is it possible to copy EVERYTHING to the second hd and just run lilo on it ? If so, anyone know all the options to use with cp for this to work ? (or a complete command line that worked) Try PowerQuest DriveImage or DriveCopy, DriveImage copies partition by partition and DriveCopy copies drive by drive. Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: No bound server for domain Watkins
cmI could do this, but I'm using this all as a learning experience cmso I'd like to know how to configure it right. I've done a config, cmrun the make process, but I'm still getting this error :( cm cmWhat else do I need to do? cm first, read /usr/doc/HOWTO/NIS-Howto. Next, realize that in order for NIS to work you need multiple computers, networked togethre. NIS alows you to share information like the passwd file between computers. carl [EMAIL PROTECTED] One must imagine Sysiphus happy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: moving apache from slackware to debian tools
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Rick Hawkins wrote: I've figured out enough of where everything is to get the web server running, and it indeed comes up with the pages correctly. However, I don't have the tool type of file working for some reason. Instead of executing, their text merely loads. And these are generally suid scripts; these are to manage mail accounts and such. The default apache configuration that Debian installs has the root web at /var/www and the cgi-bin directory in /usr/lib/cgi-bin. CGI isn't enabled anywhere else, the option to enable CGI for the entire filesystem in in srm.conf -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SCSI Drives
Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: my hard disk is getting too small (or rather debian is growing...) and it's time to get a new SCSI disk. Could people share with me their experiences as to what disks were reliable and fast? Cheap, reliable, fast. You know you can have only two of those three at most, right? :-) Personally, I've had good experiences with the IBM DORS 32160 - 2Gig, not too slow, very reliable. I have two in my box here at home, and another two in a box at work. Bye, -- Thomas Baetzler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://home.pages.de/~thb/;thb's Homepage/A -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: pcmcia install -- off topic rant
On Wednesday, 3 December 1997, David Wright writes: On Monday, 1 December 1997, Bill Leach writes: As an aside, why call the debian setup floppy resc1440.bin when it could be named something like boot.bin, or debian.bin (alongside debi1200.bin/boot1200.bin)? Well, because it _is_ a rescue floppy and can be used to boot and recover the system in the event of catastrophic failures (in the really extreme case of failure the second disk might be needed too). /continuing off-topic rant Uh, yes i did read something like that in the doc. So what you're saying is that there _is_ no install floppy, but you can use the rescue floppy to install your system. That's handy. And what luck! Otherwise we would have had a complete distribution, including rescue facilities (!), but no-one would have been able to use it, because we forgot to make an install + floppy. I just wanted to note that: * you've got to read this in the doc, --- it wasn't clear to me at first glance (note: as it very well could have been), Rescue Disk occurs frequently in the installation notes; it's even in several headings. Uh, yes, it's easy enough to find. But i still don't think that frequently mentioning something in a doc should justify the use of silly names? * at your first contact with debian, you'll find that the floppy you need for install is called rescue, now that's a comforting thought --- not. * as a broken analogy: considering you _can_ use your car as an evacuation vehicle in times of trouble, how would you call your car? You use the rescue disk as an installation disk ONCE. You then file it under Rescue, not Installation. If you have problems, you'll maybe use it several times as a Rescue Disk. Exactly --- that's what the name suggests. I never suggested install, but rather something along the lines of debian or boot. Isn't that smart? On comforting thoughts, yes, it's comforting to know that Debian takes the time and effort to think through what to do when anything goes wrong. Most vendors don't do that enough. It's probably me; i'm too preoccupied. Somehow, there's always one vendor that comes to mind when i hear about things going wrong, rescueing and reinstalling? OK, you want an analogy? You buy a tube of adhesive. You have to pierce the seal on the tube with the piercer. But you call the piercer a cap. Thanks, analogies can be so much fun, jan. Linux: Just throw away the c(r)ap. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mailinglists documented
Martin Schulze writes: Good evening folks, [...] All the mailing lists that are served on lists.debian.org are now documented in one file and this should reflect their actual state. One nice thing would be to document a way for anyone to know which debian lists he's currently subscribed to. Is there such a mechanism, or is there only this stuff (what's its name, anyway ?) to be run on master to get the info ? -- Yann Dirson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Stop making M$-Bill richer richer, alt-email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | support Debian GNU/Linux: debian-email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | more powerful, more stable ! http://www.a2points.com/homepage/3475232 | - A computer engineer's looking for a job ! - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Matrox Millenium II
I finally got my Matrox MIllenium II card to work with X and debian. The reason I had so much trouble, is that none of the debian xserver releases have the latest SVGAxserver with the matrox millenium driver. Not even hamm has these drivers. Confusion is caused by the numbering of the debian releases. The latest release of X is 3.3.1(ftp.XFree86.org) Hamm had a release number of 3.3.3. This is not the latest version. You have to go the XFree86 ftp site after following the instructions at the http://matrox.alloy.net site. I hope this saves somebody some time and aggravation. Donald Harter Jr. This mean that the last release of XFree86 has already supporte for the Matrox MIllenium II card, or did you do something more than a plain installation? -- At\'e breve === Pedro Quaresma de Almeida Departamento de Matem\'atica Faculdade de Ci\^encias e Tecnologia Universidade de Coimbra P-3000 COIMBRA, PORTUGAL e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] url: http://www.mat.uc.pt/~pedro/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Cron and find
I often have some nfs filesystems mounted on my machine and whenever cron runs updatedb I end up with a huge mail listing each file on the nfs filesystems saying permission denied. Is there a way to stop this message without unmounting the filesystems? G'razel the shifty kitty Tapestries FurryMUCK SPR Furtoonia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aye.net/~kestrel To err is human, To purr feline. -- Robert Byrne -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Backup systems: opinions wanted
I use bru 2000 and I am _very_ happy with it. I also us cpio to copy my whole filesystem(/) to a different partition (/snapshot) to have a online read-only backup of files. You could get by with cpio but I like the tape verify and features of bru 2000. Take a look at www.estinc.com On 3 Dec 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, How do people backup their machines? What packages do you use? How do the backends (dd, dump/restore tar afio/cpio) compare wrt reliability/ease of use? [dd is just for completeness.] I would like a full backup, so I guess tar is out as a backend (can't handle special files). I guess I would like to hear abot dump vs afio. __ | Tar | cpio / afio |__ can't handle special files. |may get confused with multiple |hard links. | One copy of hard-linked files, but |Many copies of hardlinked files, can retrieve file using that one|but can be restored using any name only. |of the names | Uses checksums. |No checksums | stops at first sign of corruption | Skips over corrupted area | Blocked to start on a record| boundary| | headers always 512 bytes|Efficient use of space for headers | __ The last time I dealt with backups, I was backing up 30 machines remotely to a tape drive like the moster ones in all the 70's movies, using a mess of home grown scripts and dump/restore. I'd rather not have to re-write the scripts (haven't things gotten easier in the last decade?), so I'm now looking for backup solutions where I don't have to write the scripts. I have come up with the following (based entirely on the descriptions) __ Amanda: Powerful. Reassuringly, it seems to use dump/restore, which I understand. Knows which tape and where on the tape to look for to restore a file (I like that). Cons: Overkill for a single machine. afbackup: Again, client server, which I don't need; says it should be easy to use on just one machine. goes to end of tape automatically. Hmm. tape marks written (I assume that's what the description is trying to say). No idea what the backend is -- afio? dump:An old friend. I used to do tower of hanoi backups -- has dump levels, is integrated in (even fstab format caters to dump/restore). Requires book keeping. Reliability of Linux dump? tob: tar/afio. full/differential/incremental backups, determines size beforehand floppybackup: Well, I have a tape. taper: selection using mouseless commander? recursively selected dirs are supported? This does not sound like what I need to backup several *partitions*. __ manoj -- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro... Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue... ,, / ( ___ _(-}) B I T B U R N A C C E S SSystem Administrator .' ^^ http://www.bitburn.org/ mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] `- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP modem woes continue, IRQ never fires for modem
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Charles Read wrote: : You mentioned that it doesn't appear in : /proc/interrupts; what about /proc/ioports? : : Yes, the serial device appears in /proc/ioports : as: : : ... : 0x3f8: serial (set) : ... : : BTW, how do you talk to a modem from DOS? : I want to try what Nathan suggested and see : if the modem is a 'WinModem'. How else : could you tell if not from DOS? Oh, that's easy :) assuming you know which comport your modem is on. Let's say it's COM2 ... at the DOS prompt type ECHO ATX0DT123456789 COM2, or something like that. See if the modem responds. This is from memory ... I can't find my AT command reference. The X0 is supposed to set the modem to ignore dialtone and just dial, IIRC. That way you don't have to be connected to a phone line. If your paranoid about my memory (and you should be), then just do a ECHO ATZ COM2 ... that will reset the modem, which will be hard to verify if it's internal. Of course, you could also use a DOS term program like Telix. Note you can do this stuff from the UNIX shell if you have write permissions to the serial port; echo ATZ /dev/ttyS1 should also reset the modem. I've seen one case where a modem was accessible from DOS and not from Linux; it was some weird IBM modem. Is this modem internal or external? Good luck, -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 phone: (605) 334-4454 fax: (605) 335-1173 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net PGP Key ID: 0xA33B86E9 - Public key available at keyservers PGP Key fingerprint: CE03 10AF 3281 1858 9D32 C2AB 936D C472 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP modem woes continue, IRQ never fires for modem
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote: : On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 08:43:17PM -0600, Charles Read wrote: : : BTW, how do you talk to a modem from DOS? : I want to try what Nathan suggested and see : if the modem is a 'WinModem'. How else : could you tell if not from DOS? : : Another test-- can you use the modem with one of Windows' : Standard 28800 modem type drivers, or do you have : to use on specifically for your modem? : : AFAIK WinModem is a USR idea, while your modem is Lucent : based, ie K56Flex (USR is x2). So I think it's unlikely : to be the problem. Hmm, well, I worked on an Acer once that had a software driven modem with a Lucent chipset. It drove me utterly insane for a few days :/ Once we got Acer to send us the correct driver, the modem worked great, in Win95. Never once worked in DOS, OS/2, Linux, or NT. Your point is a good one though! -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 phone: (605) 334-4454 fax: (605) 335-1173 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net PGP Key ID: 0xA33B86E9 - Public key available at keyservers PGP Key fingerprint: CE03 10AF 3281 1858 9D32 C2AB 936D C472 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SCSI Drives
I would second this, I have about 10 IBM drives between all the servers that I admin. They run nice and cool. Yes, running cool is a feature that I look for. It indicates to me that the drive was well designed. Krzysztof On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Thomas Baetzler wrote: Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: my hard disk is getting too small (or rather debian is growing...) and it's time to get a new SCSI disk. Could people share with me their experiences as to what disks were reliable and fast? Cheap, reliable, fast. You know you can have only two of those three at most, right? :-) Personally, I've had good experiences with the IBM DORS 32160 - 2Gig, not too slow, very reliable. I have two in my box here at home, and another two in a box at work. Bye, -- Thomas Baetzler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://home.pages.de/~thb/;thb's Homepage/A -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Ease of Use was: Packaging Gimp .99.15
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote: like so far. The developers need to know what problems people are having with the software and the packaging before it can be fixed. My main problem with Debian (and most other Linux distributions) is that it assumes that your hardware is 'difficult'. I'd rather have Debian's instllation process assume my hardware was standardised. Example: The first question you are asked is Do you have a mouse If no, dump them into a text based configuration process otherwise Where is your mouse attached? then Do you know what kind of mouse it is? If so, query them on protocol details. Otherwise assume a two-button mouse and fireup the VGA 16 server to do a graphical configuration. Once the configuration process (text/graphical) is underway you could then ask the users (or determine it by probing) for further details to 'optimise' the system for them. I realise that parts of this system won't be doable until Deity is closer to completeion but I do know that at least one other person [Hi Roland] is working on something similiar. Anand. -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Radius packages ...
Ok, dumb question time. What's the difference between radius-livingston and radius-merit? And no, I haven't yet used radius, but I've heard rumors we're going to buy some sort of dial box that wants to do radius, so I figure it's time to learn ... TIA, -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 phone: (605) 334-4454 fax: (605) 335-1173 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net PGP Key ID: 0xA33B86E9 - Public key available at keyservers PGP Key fingerprint: CE03 10AF 3281 1858 9D32 C2AB 936D C472 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Install disks (was pcmcia install -- off topic)
I am almost reluctant to reply further to this (probably unfortunately not reluctant enough). I don't personally know anyone that trys to install an operating system without reading about how to do the task. I don't personally care one way or the other what name was assigned to the disk. However, at least to me the rescue name does make sense. When I personally first installed Debian, the docs told me that I needed to use the disk that I had just labled as a rescue disk. That is easy, even my short term memory can handle that. Some days, weeks, or months later however when your system fails to boot (and none of your online documentation is available) a floppy labled something like Debian Rescue or has a volume name with something that looks like rescue is more likely to be used than a disk called install. While I don't argue that WHEN INSTALLING, a name such as install makes more sense but at that time you DO have docs available to read. When your system does not boot the name of the floppy becomes considerably more important. Evacuation vehicle remark One does not NEED a lable for their automobile to choose to use it should the need arise. OTOH, when one is digging through piles of floppy disks for something that might help them out when their system fails rescue sounds like a lot more likely candidate (at least to me) than does install. best, -bill /continuing off-topic rant Uh, yes i did read something like that in the doc. So what you're saying is that there _is_ no install floppy, but you can use the rescue floppy to install your system. That's handy. And what luck! Otherwise we would have had a complete distribution, including rescue facilities (!), but no-one would have been able to use it, because we forgot to make an install floppy. I just wanted to note that: * you've got to read this in the doc, --- it wasn't clear to me at first glance (note: as it very well could have been), * at your first contact with debian, you'll find that the floppy you need for install is called rescue, now that's a comforting thought --- not. * as a broken analogy: considering you _can_ use your car as an evacuation vehicle in times of trouble, how would you call your car? greetings, jan. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
libc5 to libc6
Hi, A friend wants to upadate from libc5 to 6 . I have done that some time ago and can't rember the exact order . Can somebody let me know of the http address for libc5 tp libc6 HOWTO ? Thanks George --- George Kapetanios Churchill College Cambridge, CB3 0DSE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U.K. WWW: http://garfield.chu.cam.ac.uk/~gk205/work_info.html --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kernel 2.1.68/69
can anyone get 2.1.68 or 2.1.69 to compile? hamish Hamish, 2.1.67 had some changes to the installation scripts that broke make-kpkg. I've been watching the lists and I don't think anyone has noticed yet (except you and me). 2.1.68 has all kinds of new signal stuff that don't compile properly at all. 2.1.69 is said to be stable, though I haven't tried it myself. I've tried 2.1.69 with make-kpkg without (almost) any problems. I had problems to compile sound and umsdos modules but everything else works without problems (i'm not sure if i've done everything right way but i had Debian 1.3.1 and i upgraded ldso to latest version from hamm and compiled ne modutils - 2.1.55, and naturally kernel itself). New kernel runs on my home computer so there is no network in it (i didn't compiled it even as a module). __ Leszek Gerwatowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: strange hardware problem?
David Oswald writes: Hello all... sorry for the long letter. hope you find it entertaining. This story eventually becomes debian related please be patient... I have two of these machines and they are both in the same condition - Fu$%ed... The machines are Gateway P4D-66 (486-66mhz). They have been running Debian for about a year with no problems. The have been partitioned so that they are dual bootable doswindows with tcpip networking enabled, or debian - which boots by default. The msdos configuration is used for emergency situations if a new contractor or temp should need an extra machine for a day or so... I had to put NT workstation on the msdos partition, after the initial installation of the nt software WITHOUT the network portion installed I reboot. After rebooting I get linux to be the primary partition and eventually lilo kicks in and linux is up and running again - no problem, everything works well... as usual. Eventually, (weeks later) I go back to the NT installation and I decide to get the networking portion of the NT operating system installed and running. I go through the install and when nearing the end of the install NT tells me something like starting the network at this point the machine locks up solid - mouse and everything. SO WHAT! Who gives a crap, its NT, why the hell is he submitting this to the debian group? Well it seems that by trying to install the network portion of NT it has done something to the machine. Now when debian linux trys to boot, it ALSO locks up when it comes time to start the network portion located in the /etc/boot file. If I comment out the starting of the network, the machine boots fine!!! But theres obviously no network, no web... When I try to start the network by hand, linux locks up solid, similar to NT. I swapped the NIC card, and other parts, and eventually swapped the motherboard from an identical machine. AND the networking in linux worked! So the machine is technically fixed. That is, until my intern trys to fix the broken machine (which is now the fixed machine) which is when he smoked the second box on me. Any ideas/help would be greatly appreciated... Is it possible that NT sets up the networking card different (predatory behavior) and the Debian kernel driver hangs because it does not know about the change? -- -= Sent by Debian 1.3 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK - member of ARRL @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@westgac3.dragon.com Remove @_@ for correct Email address --... ...-- ... -.. . -.- -.. - -.-. .. -.- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: tip: X and matrox millenium II
Hi, Donald == Donald R Harter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Donald I finally got my Matrox MIllenium II card to work with X and Donald debian. The reason I had so much trouble, is that none of the Donald debian xserver releases have the latest SVGAxserver with the Donald matrox millenium driver. Not even hamm has these drivers. Donald Confusion is caused by the numbering of the debian releases. Donald The latest release of X is 3.3.1(ftp.XFree86.org) Hamm had a Donald release number of 3.3.3. This is not the latest version. You Donald have to go the XFree86 ftp site after following the Donald instructions at the http://matrox.alloy.net site. I hope this Donald saves somebody some time and aggravation. I think that is not the case. We do seem to have 3.3.1 in Hamm, et least. I agree that does not help people on Debian 1.3.1 (R6 at the last count), but people on unstable have reasonably bleeding edge XFree86 distributions. manoj __ __ dpkg -s xserver-svga Package: xserver-svga Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 2677 Maintainer: Mark W. Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: xfree86 Version: 3.3.1-2 Provides: xserver Depends: libc6 Description: X server for SVGA graphics cards This package provides an X server suitable for use with all SVGA video cards. The server also makes use of the accelerator features of Cirrus, Western Digital and Oak chipsets. __ -- GOTO statement considered harmful Dijkstra, title to a letter in CACM 11, 3 (March, 1968) Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Backup systems: opinions wanted
manoj == Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: manoj I guess I would like to hear abot dump vs afio. i am using afio to back up the important parts of the system, with the aid of a small script similar to those at /usr/doc/afio/examples, and am quite happy with it. my backup medium is fast (iomega jaz drive), so perfomance issues aren't in question. as far as the reliability is concerned, i use only afio -r right after backups. i've had no problems up to now... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
undeletable file
Hello, I remember seeing something about this on the list awhile back, but I haven't been able to find it in the archives. I have a file that has somehow been commandeered by an undefined group, and I can't seem to remove, move, or change its ownership: leisure# ls -l fstobdf -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 65535 29640 Oct 17 23:58 fstobdf rm: remove `fstobdf', overriding mode 0755? y rm: fstobdf: Operation not permitted leisure# chown root.root fstobdf chown: fstobdf: Operation not permitted leisure# rm fstobdf leisure# mv fstobdf fstobdf.1 mv: cannot move `fstobdf' to `fstobdf.1': Operation not permitted I have no idea how the file's ownership got this way, or how to remove it. I haven't tried going to single-user mode yet; I'm on a remote connection to this box. Any suggestions? Thanks. --ken __ Ken Lauffenburger / /__ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / / D e b i a n G N U \ \/ / / / __ __ __ \ / / / / / / _ \ / / / / / \ ...Look out Bill, / /___ / / / / ) // (_/ / / /\ \ here comes... (__)(_/ (_/ (_/ \/ (_/ \_) http://www.debian.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libc5 to libc6
G. Kapetanios hat gesagt: // G. Kapetanios wrote: Hi, A friend wants to upadate from libc5 to 6 . I have done that some time ago and can't rember the exact order . Can somebody let me know of the http address for libc5 tp libc6 HOWTO ? - From the Howto: - 1.2. Finding updates The latest version of this Mini-HOWTO should be available in the following locations: o http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html o http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.txt o http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.sgml o ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/doc/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.txt o ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/doc/libc5-libc6-Mini- HOWTO.html.tar.gz -- Yours a href=http://www.koeln-online.de/einblick/; Frank Barknecht Das Koelner Stadt- und Unimagazin - /a -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: undeletable file
I had an examople of such behaviour a while back. It occured for some files in a mounted dos filesystem. If it is not a ext2 filesystem could you be mounting it read only ? (come to think of it maybe it is ext2 and mounted read only as well ) Just a thought On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Ken Lauffenburger wrote: Hello, I remember seeing something about this on the list awhile back, but I haven't been able to find it in the archives. I have a file that has somehow been commandeered by an undefined group, and I can't seem to remove, move, or change its ownership: leisure# ls -l fstobdf -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 65535 29640 Oct 17 23:58 fstobdf rm: remove `fstobdf', overriding mode 0755? y rm: fstobdf: Operation not permitted leisure# chown root.root fstobdf chown: fstobdf: Operation not permitted leisure# rm fstobdf leisure# mv fstobdf fstobdf.1 mv: cannot move `fstobdf' to `fstobdf.1': Operation not permitted I have no idea how the file's ownership got this way, or how to remove it. I haven't tried going to single-user mode yet; I'm on a remote connection to this box. Any suggestions? Thanks. --ken __ Ken Lauffenburger / /__ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / / D e b i a n G N U \ \/ / / / __ __ __ \ / / / / / / _ \ / / / / / \ ...Look out Bill, / /___ / / / / ) // (_/ / / /\ \ here comes... (__)(_/ (_/ (_/ \/ (_/ \_) http://www.debian.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . --- George Kapetanios Churchill College Cambridge, CB3 0DSE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U.K. WWW: http://garfield.chu.cam.ac.uk/~gk205/work_info.html --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: undeletable file
On Wed, Dec 03, 1997 at 04:45:39PM +, G. Kapetanios wrote: I had an examople of such behaviour a while back. It occured for some files in a mounted dos filesystem. If it is not a ext2 filesystem could you be mounting it read only ? (come to think of it maybe it is ext2 and mounted read only as well ) Just a thought I forgot to mention, the undeletable file is on an ext2 filesystem (in /usr/X11R6/bin). --ken __ Ken Lauffenburger / /__ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / / D e b i a n G N U \ \/ / / / __ __ __ \ / / / / / / _ \ / / / / / \ ...Look out Bill, / /___ / / / / ) // (_/ / / /\ \ here comes... (__)(_/ (_/ (_/ \/ (_/ \_) http://www.debian.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: undeletable file
Someone wrote (sorry, I get digest format and forgot to paste the name): leisure# ls -l fstobdf -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 65535 29640 Oct 17 23:58 fstobdf rm: remove `fstobdf', overriding mode 0755? y rm: fstobdf: Operation not permitted leisure# chown root.root fstobdf chown: fstobdf: Operation not permitted leisure# rm fstobdf leisure# mv fstobdf fstobdf.1 mv: cannot move `fstobdf' to `fstobdf.1': Operation not permitted Possible others: # chattr -i fstodbdf # chmod 777 fstodbdf # rm -f fstodbdf I have no idea how the file's ownership got this way, or how to remove it. I haven't tried going to single-user mode yet; I'm on a remote connection to this box. I had a similar predicament when fdisk changed some files to bizarre character devices. Even '?' showed up in the permissions as well as the huge group number. I posted a question on comp.os.linux.setup and got an answer that worked. What has happened is that the inode for that file (and probably others) has become hopelessly corrupted. Thankfully, you can delete this. Boot into single user mode so the fs with this file on it is unmounted (boot to a root disk if it's on the root partition to make it easier). # debugfs -w /dev/hda# # check man page to be sure; my notes # aren't here. debugfs prompt clri /path/fstodbdf #clear inode entry for this file debugfs prompt rm /path/fstodbdf #remove this offending file # e2fdsk /dev/hda# # make sure everything's hunky dorry. :) Ta da! As always, check over the above with the man pages to be sure I'm not accidentally giving you the secret to trashing your system beyond repair. ;) Devin -- Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.engr.csulb.edu/~dbwong -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: undeletable file
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Ken Lauffenburger wrote: Hello, I remember seeing something about this on the list awhile back, but I haven't been able to find it in the archives. I have a file that has somehow been commandeered by an undefined group, and I can't seem to remove, move, or change its ownership: leisure# ls -l fstobdf -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 65535 29640 Oct 17 23:58 fstobdf rm: remove `fstobdf', overriding mode 0755? y rm: fstobdf: Operation not permitted leisure# chown root.root fstobdf chown: fstobdf: Operation not permitted leisure# rm fstobdf leisure# mv fstobdf fstobdf.1 mv: cannot move `fstobdf' to `fstobdf.1': Operation not permitted I have no idea how the file's ownership got this way, or how to remove it. I haven't tried going to single-user mode yet; I'm on a remote connection to this box. If it's an ext2 filesystem, you could check out the commands chattr and lsattr. -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Angdebian-user-digest Digest V97 #1081
Automatiskt svar Angånde: Angdebian-user-digest Digest V97 #108197-12-03 Hi Debian folks I have a problem.. don´t we all.. I have a machine with two netcards, eth0 and eth1 eth0 is connected to the internet with ip: 194.16.87.x netmask 255.255.255.192 gateway: 194.16.87.1 This far, every thing works fine, but i want to run this machine as a proxy/ipmasquerade machine, so i want to set up a 192.168.0.X network connected to eth1, my question is, I suppose many people have solved this already(i haven´t even after reading every ipmaquerade/breidging, u name it how-to) back to my question, Is there any one who could please post there set up, both for card two(eth1) and for the ipfwadm thingies, I would be most deligthed. Thanx in advance. BTW, sorry for my lousy english =) /Bip Thelin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [semi-off-topic:-] Reasons for Debian/Linux over FreeBSD
On Wed, Dec 03, 1997 at 10:42:44AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: One other thing that a university lecturer of mine loves to point out; FreeBSD is BSD, so it has the stability and standardness of BSD, including standard C API etc. Standard BSD networking. Some BSD folks are very fond of saying how BSD networking is better than Linux's; freeBSD is using the standard Net/3 net code, a big plus since it is well documented and thus, relatively easy to fiddle around. I maintain a freeBSD machine for this reason alone. When the BSD folks say that their net code is better than Linux are, I think, referring to the design aspects: they are of the opinion that their's has a cleaner design than ours. They are also very keen in displaying benchmark results, showing linux at the bottom of the list, without any indication of which Linux kernel was used in the comparison; we know that their code was written in 1994, but ours has had two or three major changes since then. -- Ioannis Tambouras [EMAIL PROTECTED], West Palm Beach, Florida Signed pgp-key on key server. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
postgres-doc package
Hi everybody, I have a very stupid question about the postgres95-doc package. I can't find it. I mean it is installed and the only thing I can find is the copyright notice. Where is it? What happen to it? This package has a tutorial in it i think. Oh well if someone could point me in the right direction that would be great. Thanking you in advance. Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Get Your Mailbox Stuffed with CASH for the Holidays!
Actually, it DOES fall under the USC 1341 section because it asks you to send cash through the mail. The how of causing it is irrelevant (and that's how they get these guys who do this)... Also, the law on junk-faxes actually defines a junk fax as unwanted information sent via electronic means - the companies spamming us are trying to get it defined as sent from paper to paper only and not mail that's totally electronic. The word from the US Postal Service is: According to 18 USC sec 1302 (the Postal Lottery Laws always quoted in these letters) , if the letter asks you to send money someplace and says that you'll make a big return on it by forwarding the letter, it's illegal. Doesn't matter if there's a product for sale or not - if it asks you to send money and promises you'll get money back it'll illegal. Also, if it's a send a postcard and you'll get back a thousand postcards it's legal (no $$$ changing hands and a postcard has no real value according to law). 18 USC 1341 (or 1342 - I can't remember) says that causing this mail to be sent is illegal - you don't have to send it yourself... Fines range from $1000 to $1,000,000 and jail time from 30 days to 30 years. the problem is the postal service laws have no sway on electronic mail and this kind of message is currently totally legal :( there are moves to make the junk-fax law cover e-mail as well but the companies that use spam-email (like Cyberpromo.com) are fighting against it with lobbyists, trying to pass other laws that would only curb spam-email at the cost of the ISP and therefore the users who want ot be protected from it. G'razel the shifty kitty Tapestries FurryMUCK SPR Furtoonia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aye.net/~kestrel To err is human, To purr feline. -- Robert Byrne -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Backup systems: opinons wanted
Udjat the BitMeister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use bru 2000 and I am _very_ happy with it. I also us cpio to copy my whole filesystem(/) to a different partition (/snapshot) to have a online read-only backup of files. You could get by with cpio but I like the tape verify and features of bru 2000. Take a look at www.estinc.com Well the price is certainly right! I can offer up my own opinons: dump - I really like the interface when you do a restore. Being able to navigate the tape in a directory structure and picking and choosing the files/directories you want to restore. Unfortunately, I also run Win95 on my PC and enjoy being able to back up all my paritions, including FAT, under Linux. In fact, I don't even make my SCSI devices visible to Win95. dump, at least on my machine, won't back up FAT partitions. cpio and variants - Never used 'em, at least not for backups. GNU tar - It works great and you can take the tapes to just about any other machine with the same type of drive and yank whatever you want off. I don't like the fact that it insists on backing up empty directories and directories that contain files that haven't changed since the last backup. I haven't delved much into the incremental/full capabilities that are built into tar, I generally use a script that records the date of a particular backup and then use the --newer argument to do incrementals based on the date my script records. My main gripe with all of the backup utilities I've used is you have to manually come up with some method to get decent redundancy. For example, I use two sets of tapes, each set has a single full backup tape (or tapes if a full backup required more than a single tape) and a couple of incremental tapes associated with that full backup tape. This is pretty much standard procedure for doing backups on a LAN, yet every place I worked as a sysadmin had their own script to keep track of what set of tapes was next and what was on previous sets of tapes, etc. Does anyone know of a better solution? My script works fine, but it's a royal pain to have to keep track of what tapes have what, and what incremental tape I need to use next. Of course I could make my script more elaborate but my main purpose in life isn't to write a perfect backup script, especially if I could find an existing piece of software that already does this! Any suggestions? Gary Hennigan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
HELP: Deselect lock on Access
I just booted my floppy to do another fresh install of 1.3.1. When I choose Access from the menu, I get-- unable to open/create access method lockfile: permission denied Could anyone tell me what gives, and how to proceed. Any help would be much appreciated. Albert Hurd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Installation Problem, PLEASE HELP!!!
On Wed, 03 Dec 1997 12:01:50 +0200, Liran Zvibel wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, David Stern wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:47:02 +0200, Liran Zvibel wrote: 2) Although everything on the (optional) X11 section is installed (checked twice.), the file /usr/X11R6/bin/SuperProbe doesn't exists (Installation and Getting started said it should be there), and maybe some other files I don't kno I need (BTW: no startx too). Sounds like you don't have X installed. Did you install the XFree86 package for your video card? I think X is installed since all the packages in the X11 section of dselect are installed. My video card is Trident 8900 (yes, some people still use it...) I didn't find it in any of the special servers so I installed the _SVGA one. Isn't that enough? IN the configure section it asked me whether I want _SVGA to be my server and I said I did, So I think X is installed (I'm not sure though...) Did you try running through configuration manually? ( xf86config or XF86Setup )If you installed the svga xserver, you should have superprobe. Were there any relevant outstanding dependency problems, or packages which weren't installed or configured correctly? This would show up in dselect. When I first installed linux, my video card was unsupported in svga, so I used the vga16 xserver. For testing purposes, it might be useful to see if that works. If you don't like that idea, you might try uninstalling and reinstalling your svga xserver, going through configuration with xf86config or XF86Setup, looking at your /etc/X11/XF86Config file, assuming the man page shows up so you can see what it's supposed to look like. The man page for XF86Setup says something about a Quick-Start Guide to XFree86 Setup, but I don't see that anywhere. Maybe someone else knows where that is? David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: allow mount to normal user
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, David Wright wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Paul Serice wrote: Adam Klein wrote: man mount and search for the following language: Note that the auto type may be useful for user- mounted floppies. Make sure you're putting auto in the right place. For example, /dev/scd0 /cdrom iso9660 ro,suid,dev,exec,noauto,user,async 0 1 /dev/fd0 /floppy auto rw,suid,dev,exec,noauto,user,sync 0 0 ^^ This definitely works for me as far as auto detecting ext2 or vfat floppies via the KDE floppy mount icon (or the rustic command line). Something else I've learned is that if you plan on using auto, I would recompile your kernel to exclude msdos support but include vfat support. The reason is that auto will check first for msdos 8.3 format. Because vfat floppies meet the criteria, they will be mounted as 8.3. If you compile out msdos support, you'll be able to mount the floppies as vfat. Shouldn't a bug report be filed against mount? It only makes sense for mount auto to check in the order Specific - Generic, not the other way round. The last time I read the man page, this is what you would expect. Mount looks for the FIRST match. Actually mount does not seem to see any difference between the two. It is not a bug, it is just the way it is. Look at the -t option under man mount(8). /*** Running Debian Linux *** * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * * W. Paul Mills * Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A. * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sound.net/~wpmills/ * * Bill, I was there several years ago, why would I want to go back? * / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HELP: Deselect lock on Access
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Albert Hurd wrote: I just booted my floppy to do another fresh install of 1.3.1. When I choose Access from the menu, I get-- unable to open/create access method lockfile: permission denied Could anyone tell me what gives, and how to proceed. Any help would be much appreciated. rm /var/lib/dpkg/methlock -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
video problems
Hi, I sent a note about this problem a week or so ago and got back some mailer daemon error messages so I'm not sure it made it. I apologize if this is a duplication. I'm having trouble with xdm. Every couple times the user exits the window manager, the machine hangs with a black screen and red and blue vertical lines. The only thing to do at this point is a hard reboot. This has happened with a range of kernels (now it's using 2.0.32) so it seems to me that either the video card (an S3 Virge) or the driver is at fault. Does anyone know what the problem might be? Again, this doesn't happen every time. I'd say once in ever 5 or 6 tries. Thanks, J. Goldman -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
multiple X server question
In my quest for a better X, I have acquired a couple of Xservers I would like to try out. How can I use and maintain multiple xservers?? The extras are not debian packages. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
threads and latest libg++?
Are the latest libg++ and threads happy together? I have libg++272 version
2.7.2.8-0.1 installed, and I'm running mostly libc6 stuff.
Here's my program, reduced to illustrate the problem precisely.
[ begin program ]
#include pthread.h
#include iostream.h
#include unistd.h
#include assert.h
#define THREADS 10
main() {
pthread_t t[THREADS];
void *retval;
int i;
pthread_attr_t thread_attributes;
assert( pthread_attr_init( thread_attributes ) == 0 );
cout exiting endl;
}
[ end program ]
If I compile this g++ thread.cc, it prints exiting. No problem. If I
simply compile this, unchanged, but say g++ thread.cc -lpthread, it
immediately segfaults. The reasons I suspect libg++:
1) Get rid of iostream.h and cout replace with stdio.h and printf, and I
can use threads to my hearts content.
2) The new version of libg++ has the new libio stuff in it, right? So,
maybe there is a problem in there?
Thanks!
Dale
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Installation Problem
I'm installing the current Debian onto a 486 machine at work and am having some problems. I'm pretty much following the installation steps exactly as the installation script tells me. The problem occurs when I get to the 'Net Configuration' portion of the setup. I enter the machine name, IP address, etc. and it asks me the default network device (eth0, etc.) and I select 'eth0'. When I press 'return' the machine just freezes. Previously in the installation I had installed the driver for an Intel EtherExpress Ethernet card. I tried it twice, with exactly the same results. The third time I didn't install the driver for the Ethernet card and didn't configure the network and the install finished fine. The puzzling thing about this is that I had previously install Debian on this machine about a month ago without any problem. The Ethernet hardware is exactly the same, in fact all of the hardware in the machine is exactly the same. I'm re-installing it because at that time I had scrounged a small, second hard disk to put in the machine and installed Debian on that, leaving Win95 on the first hard drive. Well, I've decided that Win95 does me no good on this machine and so I'm going to eradicate it and just have a Debian machine. So now I am trying to install on the first drive '/dev/hda'. Any thoughts as to what might be causing the freeze when selecting the default network device? Thanks... == Steve Witt (714) 730-3245 PairGain Technologies, Inc. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
making a master hard disk for installation
hmm, the on again, off-again linux/486/xterminal project seems on again :) What we're doing is turning 486's into xterminals for our alphas. They'll only have about 8mb, and from 80-200 of hd, but what the heck :) I have seized control of some spare drives, and want to dedicate a 200mb hard drive as an installation disk. I figure to attach it with a second ide controller, which will be permanently assigned to the disk. What I'm thinking is to have a small dos partition, with enough to for loadlin, resc.bin and drvrs.bin, then to put the rest on an ext2 partition. So installing would be a matter of 1) pull cover, add memory and/or drive, add installation drive. 2) boot from the existing dos, and use loadlin to read in resc drvr. 3) mount the ex2 partition. Or can I change /etc/fstab in root.bin to automount /dev/hdc2?? 4) go through rest of installation. 5) run dpkg on the rest of the .deb files. Or, would it be easier to simply make the root.bin, and leave the installation drive served up as nfs? Or, to simply copy the whole file system, as the only differences between the systems will be their IP/names, ram hd size, and the amount of ram on the video card (hey, they're apex. Bought at the same time, and all slightly different. Even found a 540 drive in one posing as a 200 . . .) rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: undeletable file
You can also try lsattr and see if the file has been made immutable. chattr -i will take off this flag. Allen Allen Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP Multicast. Turn it on and tune-in to the future. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: MAJOR PROBLEM!
On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 01:03:47PM -0500, David B. Teague wrote: I just visited the url mentioned. I see no place to 'vote' for Debian on that site at this point. The voting seems to be on the issue of whether slashdot should include movie reviews. It is likely too late to vote on the Debian-Redhat issue there. Yup. I was checking regularly for the results of the poll. They didn't have the results of the poll up after it finished, so who knows what the final results were... apart from those @slashdot.org. Makes it rather pointless really. Note that everybody in the world sells Red Hat, Red Hat actively promotes itself by advertising, and there doesn't seem to be any commercial effort to promote Debian. I conclude that this vote is at least a moral victory for Debian, if not more than that. If this poll represents the majority, it would seem that Debian has a large following that is not prone to advocacy as the Red Hat crowd while Slackware is a rather noisy minority. BTW: Congrats Ian, and Kudos to Bruce, for a job well done. Ditto that :-). Well done Debian developers. -djd -- I told her I was a hacker. She said I was a control freak. So I killed her. --Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DNS Problem
On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 03:35:16PM -0500, Tommy Lakofski wrote: That's a bit of a broad sweeping statement. I guess you'll be using 7-bit ASCII in the year 2050 then. Most already use ISO-8895-1 for news/mail. This is liable to be replaced by UTF-? (I'm not up to scratch on Unicode things). Both of these have the low 7 bits as ASCII anyway... I would think HTML would be more acceptable than something like RTF. As others have said, it's not wheter it's HTML or RTF that matters. If it takes me much effort to read, it gets deleted. -djd -- I told her I was a hacker. She said I was a control freak. So I killed her. --Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
On Mon, Dec 01, 1997 at 08:28:59PM -0500, Wintermute wrote: Maybe I wasn't as clear as I could have been in my first message. Gimp ..99.15 compiles without a quirk on libc5. I see no reason to abandon a perfectly stable system just to upgrade to the libc6 compliant Debian dist, just to run one app. [...] Perhaps you are not aware then, that you can get te 0.99.15 source packages from hamm and build them on bo as a Debian package? Not that I've tried it, but I'm running a bo system with several packages built from hamm source; it's mostly a case of watching out for things like -lresolv -lcrypt and deleting them from debian/rules. The only problems I can envisage are includes of the type sys/foo.h where foo.h is a libc6 header; I do not know how easy this can be resolved. -djd -- I told her I was a hacker. She said I was a control freak. So I killed her. --Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: postgres-doc package
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Paul wrote: Hi everybody, I have a very stupid question about the postgres95-doc package. I can't find it. I mean it is installed and the only thing I can find is the copyright notice. Where is it? What happen to it? This package has a tutorial in it i think. Oh well if someone could point me in the right direction that would be great. Thanking you in advance. Paul try dpkg -L postgres95-doc In general, dpkg -L packagename tells you what files came in packagename, and where they are on your system. This is something I occasionally have to do when I need to find out where on earth a given package put something. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
