Re: HowTo?: Log Everything - file
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Bob Bernstein wrote: What's the trick to getting into a file all the contents of a console session, i.e. commands, and the output of commands, into a log file for that session? script filename Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
On 16 Feb 98 at 16:31, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: The PII says 39 Mflop/s. I was kinda hoping something near 80 Mflop/s for the PII I'm not surprised. Everything I've read indicates the x86 series is running out room for improvements. Your findings are another confirmation. Richard B. Talley [EMAIL PROTECTED] The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect. Tim Berners-Lee http://www.w3.org/Press/IPO-announce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HowTo?: Log Everything - file
Bob Bernstein writes: What's the trick to getting into a file all the contents of a console session, i.e. commands, and the output of commands, into a log file for that session? That is exactly what 'script' is for. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bullshit--Fired for Linux?
George Bonser wrote: You are, of course correct, but we should give them some idea of how many of their subscribers they have offended ;) Yea, I see what you mean but I'm a little concerned that Linux, and to a larger extent free software, will be damaged by people taking a religious attitude towards their software and not tolerating any criticism. I'm not accusing you (or anyone) of that, but I think that there might be presumption that us enthusiasts have that tendency and hence will not be taken seriously. In fairness, I think that the essence of the point he raises is quite valid: How can a business take seriously software that is not supported by a commercial entity? Given the speed at which people (managers, business, etc.) tend to point fingers when a problem arises rather than depend on their own ability to solve it, this is a legitimate concern. Of course, we all know that these concerns are being addressed (with perhaps superior solutions), so his suggestion that Linux would be a poor choice in such a situation is unfounded. Hopefully he and his editor are figuring that out by now based on all the very credible talkbacks submitted. (Perhaps they're just counting the hits their web site is receiving because of it. :) Overall, I think the software industry could be on the verge of some *very* big changes if freely available software successfully makes it out of it's adolescence. Keith -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
On 16 Feb, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: Hi, I know this is off topic, but I don't have access to cola (and newsgroups in general) and I feel more confortable asking here, because I want Linux specific answers. Ten days ago a professor here bought a Pentium II/233 system. He promptly installed Debian on it, and let me use it for my (thesis) work. First thing I did was to benchmark the thing using a program of my own. This program says a Pentium MMX/166 (my old pc) gives about 24 Mflop/s. A Pentium/100 is about 16 Mflop/s. If the numbers are accurate or not, is not in dispute now. What's important is the relative speed, and I find the numbers quoted to be reasonable. (For those curious, it's 3 sums, 3 multiplications, 1 division) The PII says 39 Mflop/s. Over the weekend, I bargained a PMMX/233, which says 33 Mflops/s. I don't find this this reasonable at all! Taking as a reference the performance leap from a 486DX4 - Pentium (same clock speed) I was kinda hoping something near 80 Mflop/s for the PII (yes, I know, it's silly to take that as a reference, but one can only hope) I know I'm not playing fair comparing the systems this way (different kernels, memory, chipset, ...) but I was hoping somebody could give better statistics on this. I'd really appreciate if somebody can help me on this one. We are planing to build a Debian-based compute farm, and the cost difference between PII's and plain Pentium's could translate into a big difference in the number of hosts installed. Side note: K5/133 = 9; K6/200 = 31; 486/66 = 4; RISC 9000 = 18; VAX 3000... oops, forgot about it, but it was surprisingly low. TIA, Which compiler were you using? Programs not specifically optimized for the PPro/PII don't get nearly the performance gain that they could. My experience is something between a 30 and a 50% performance gain possible from using code compiled and optimized specifically for a PPro. I haven't had time to try it yet, but gcc 2.8.0 compiles for PPro/PII, as does egcs (and I think, therefore, pgcc, as that is based on egcs(?) - but its been a while since I checked either of these). -- Stephen Ryan Debian GNU/Linux Mathematics graduate student, Dartmouth College -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
I know I'm not playing fair comparing the systems this way (different kernels, memory, chipset, ...) but I was hoping somebody could give better statistics on this. Can you point me to the source code for the benchmark? I can run it on my PII/233 for comparison if you want. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hello
On 16 Feb, Ben Pfaff wrote in response to someone else who wrote: I would like to know how debian handles in a machine with two pentiums. = Are two cpus quicker then one in any situation. I mean does every = program run quicker. Generally any particular process will only run on one processor at a time, so particular programs won't run faster. However, two programs can run simultaneously each with a whole processor to themselves, in theory anyway. Anyone with any experience in this want to comment? There are ups and downs to the SMP support in Linux; I have even heard of situations where running two large memory-intensive applications at the same time ran slower than one-at-a-time on a single processor machine. That said, though, I find that the X server runs on one processor, and the application runs on another, leading to a *very* responsive system. You can have an application computing at full speed on one processor, while the screen is being updated and you are movinng windows around etc. on the other processor. Multi-threaded applications run faster, of course, because they get more CPU time; several single-threaded applications running simultaneously depends on the applications and whether they are compute-bound or I/O bound. If the applications are I/O bound, then no amount of extra CPU power will speed them up. If your applications are CPU-bound, then you should get nearly twice the performance from having two CPUs installed. If you are running only one application at a time then the only gain you will see comes from having the background daemons and the X server running on a different CPU from the one running your application, and I think you'd be better off just getting a faster video card or more RAM or a faster drive or just about anything else. Be warned - the extra speed is addictive. The only reason I'm giving up my dual PPro 200 is to get a faster multi-cpu system. -- Stephen Ryan Debian GNU/Linux Mathematics graduate student, Dartmouth College -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: hamm timezones problem
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Tim Bell wrote: First, a meta-question: is this the right list to be asking hamm-specific questions, or is there a developers list which is preferred for such things? AFAIK this is the right list. Now, the problem: $ date Mon Feb 16 23:26:53 /etc/localtime 1998 I had this problem when I upgraded to hamm after installing only the base system, so the timezone package from bo which took care about /etc/localtime wasnt installed. I dont know exactly how the new timezones package should handle this, but here is a workaround: remove timezones, install timezone from bo, then reinstall timezones. Greg -- Madarasz Gergely [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://www.cab.u-szeged.hu/local/linux/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re[2]: HowTo?: Log Everything - file
Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try the script(1) command. Wow! Thanks to everyone who chimed in on this one. (Wish they were all this easy...naw, that would be pretty boring, huh?) Cheers, - Bob Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] at Esmond, R.I. http://www.brainiac.com/bernie -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
I know I'm not playing fair comparing the systems this way (different kernels, memory, chipset, ...) but I was hoping somebody could give better statistics on this. Can you point me to the source code for the benchmark? I can run it on my PII/233 for comparison if you want. Same here, only with PII/300. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
On 16-Feb-1998, Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I know this is off topic, but I don't have access to cola (and newsgroups in general) and I feel more confortable asking here, because I want Linux specific answers. Ten days ago a professor here bought a Pentium II/233 system. He promptly installed Debian on it, and let me use it for my (thesis) work. First thing I did was to benchmark the thing using a program of my own. This program says a Pentium MMX/166 (my old pc) gives about 24 Mflop/s. A Pentium/100 is about 16 Mflop/s. If the numbers are accurate or not, is not in dispute now. What's important is the relative speed, and I find the numbers quoted to be reasonable. (For those curious, it's 3 sums, 3 multiplications, 1 division) The PII says 39 Mflop/s. Over the weekend, I bargained a PMMX/233, which says 33 Mflops/s. I don't find this this reasonable at all! Taking as a reference the performance leap from a 486DX4 - Pentium (same clock speed) I was kinda hoping something near 80 Mflop/s for the PII (yes, I know, it's silly to take that as a reference, but one can only hope) I know I'm not playing fair comparing the systems this way (different kernels, memory, chipset, ...) but I was hoping somebody could give better statistics on this. Try http://infopad.eecs.berkeley.edu/CIC Look in the CPU and System Performance Info section. According to SPEC-95 int fp results, a PII-233 9.5 (Integer) and 6.4 (FP) a P-233MMX 7.1 and 5.2 a PPro-200 8.7 and 6.8 a PII-333 12.8 and 9.1 Intel's x86 chips aren't really very good. Probably the 66Mhz bus doesn't help things much. x86 is all done on marketing, not on performance. x86 performance doesn't scale very well with Mhz. The new breed of P2s (higher bus speed) might improve this performance somewhat. Look at Alphas: a 300Mhz 21164 8.5 and 12.7 (this shipped in 1994!) a 500Mhz 21164 15.0 and 20.4 The 21264 (600Mhz? 700Mhz?) is expected to ship soon, and has an estimated rating of 44 and 66! Of course, there are only SPEC results -- all benchmarks are inaccurate, etc, etc. Run your application to find out how fast your application goes. Divide each benchmark by the cost of the chip and motherboard to really compare (particularly for compute farms). But I think you'll find the P2 is just overpriced. A K6 is a much better purchase if x86 compat. is important. I'd really appreciate if somebody can help me on this one. We are planing to build a Debian-based compute farm, and the cost difference between PII's and plain Pentium's could translate into a big difference in the number of hosts installed. Side note: K5/133 = 9; K6/200 = 31; 486/66 = 4; RISC 9000 = 18; VAX 3000... oops, forgot about it, but it was surprisingly low. Plain pentiums or (maybe better) K6s are probably a better bang for buck, particularly if they are headless. One of the best courses I did at university was a computer architecture course that had a lot of emphasis on performance measurement. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
network problem
Hi, I am building my first linux box on a 486, 3Com Card (3c509) on ISA, ethernet. I set the io address to 0x300. In my first installation, the network worked allright. I could ping, telnet, etc. I shut the system down and switch it off. When I switched the system on the next morning, the networking did not work anymore, I could not even see machines on the same subnet. I typed netstat -r, and got this : Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 128.250.172.0 *255.255.255.0 U 0 0 1 eth0 127.0.0.0 *255.0.0.0 U 0 0 1 I0 default 128.250.172.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 2 eth0 The last item (default) appeared after a long pause. I thought the network card might be faulty. I installed win95 and the network worked. So I reinstalled linux. I had to do it for a number of times before I got it back to work again. When I reinstalled, I repartitioned the harddisk, and reinstalled the driver, kernel and base system. Unfortunately, somebody switched the machine off without shutting it down. I have not been able to get the networking back since then. When the system boots up, I could see the message that eth0 is loaded. The ethernet address displayed is the correct one too. Does anybody know what is wrong? I would appreciate any comments. Thank you. Suryani. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Processors
Hello all, I have a question that isnt entirely debian specific, I hope this doesn't irritate anyone. I have recently been quoted a price of $1100 for a dual PPro333 with motherboard, using DIMM's (SDRAM). My questions are: 1) Is it beneficial for me to purchase this for the LAN that I am in the process of creating? 2) Through reading the recent posts on the PentiumII performance thread, I am also left wondering how the PPro 333's will handle under load, I am sure they are much better than the single 166 that I currently have, but are they going to be worth the money spent on them? 3) How is the support in debian for dual systems, I know that SMP is supposed to utilize dual cpu's, but does it offer good utilization of both processors? 4) What is the best networking interface card (NIC??) for linux? Debian Linux specifically. Or what interface cards are supported under Debian Linux? As I have said, I am trying to establish my own LAN, and would like to ultimately use 100base T for my network. I feel that where I desire to end up, I will need the 100Mbits transfer speed, which is why I desire this. I can post the information of which kernel I am using, and which version if this is necessary. Thanks for any information offered that can help me make an educated decision towards my future system. Charles -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
about the FAQ and /etc/init.d
While trying to decide on the most logical place to start my IP-Masquerading rules, I checked the faq for wisdom. Placing a script in /etc/init.d and then working out what numeric argument to pass to update-rc.d seemed to be the best bet. Answer 11.3 states that scripts in /etc/init.d all take an argument which can be either 'start', 'stop', or 'reload'Implementing my IP-Masq rules don't really require a start, stop or reload argument so would I be better off starting them in some other way/location ? Would the IP-Masq rules be best started from /etc/ppp/ip-up ? -- John Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lynx.net.au/~jspence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Question - Hamm, Mgetty, PPP, wtmp - Arrgh!
On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 01:06:59PM -0600, Jeff Noxon wrote: I have three dial-in modems on my hamm box. They are all identical USR Couriers AFIAK, and their configuration *appears* to be the same. But one port always shows connect speed in wtmp, and the others do not: Are you sure that they are both set to report the same connect string? Usually modems allow varying amounts of detail to be reported on the CONNECT line, which is where mgetty gets this data from. I don't know what the appropriate commands are for a USR Courier (look at S95 and the W command for Rockwells). Back when I ran bo, I got connect speeds for all three modems. My hamm packages are all 100% up-to-date. Any chance the modems are configured differently now, either by the profile stored in the modem or due to commands in /etc/mgetty/*.conf? hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Re[2]: HowTo?: Log Everything - file
On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 09:34:08PM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote: Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try the script(1) command. Wow! Thanks to everyone who chimed in on this one. (Wish they were all this easy...naw, that would be pretty boring, huh?) The command apropos something can help you find the appropriate tool too; eg [5:16pm] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ apropos session getsid (2) - get session ID login (1)- Begin session on the system script (1) - make typescript of terminal session setsid (2) - creates a session and sets the process group ID setsid (8) - run a program in a new session Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Kernel compilation
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Brian Mays wrote: A good way to do this is to use the kernel-source and kernel-package packages. After installing both packages, do the following (as root): [detailed compilation instructions snipped] Please excuse my newbie-ness to the Debian world, but I was wondering what advantages one gets from compiling the kernel the debian way, rather then the standard make zImage? Thanks, Corey Miller --- Corey Miller This looks like a job for . legal tender! MSTie #71940 -The Tick [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.egr.msu.edu/~mille542/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Diff window managers for diff users
-Original Message- From: Jan Weytjens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daniel Martin at cush [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Krzysztof Adamski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Diff window managers for diff users If you use startx, it is also possible to create an .xinitrc file in your home directory and specify the window manager to use on the last line as follows (you can start by copying the system .xinitrc in (I believe) /etc/X11): exec fvwm2 (or olvwm, etc.) The man page for X explains this clearly. I meant the man page for startx. ^^ hth. -Original Message- From: Daniel Martin at cush [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Krzysztof Adamski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 5:15 AM Subject: Re: Diff window managers for diff users David R Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Krzysztof Adamski wrote: Hi What do I have to do to let different users on the same machine use different window mamager? I have installed afterstep, and my wife was using it, but leter I added fvwm2, now she wants after step back, but I want to use fvwm2. K If you and your wife log on as distinct users with distinct home directories, then you can have different .xsession files. This file, if present, will determine what window manager is used. There is a default one somewhere under /etc/X11 that is used if it not present. To be a bit more explicit about what is needed, and what happens: When xdm starts a session (i.e. once someone logs in successfully) it simply executes the file /etc/X11/Xsession - this file does some standard things (involving setting X resources, among other things), and then, depending either on whether or not the user has a .xsession file in their home directory, exec's .xsession or exec's the default window manager (which will be the first window manager listed in /etc/X11/window-managers that exists). So, if a certain user wants to use a certain window manager instead of the default, they should create a ~/.xsession file with the line: exec afterstep (or 'exec fvwm2' or whatever) and make this file executable with chmod: chmod a+rx .xsession .xsession files can also be used to do certain setup things - start specific X programs each time one logs in, start ssh-agent (for those who use ssh), etc.; note that some of these setup parameters are often best left to the window manager, and the details on how to set up each window manager vary from wm to wm. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How do you patch a debian package?
I downloaded the debian package for message handler email system. Turns out it doesn't view the digest list formats correctly. On checking the net, I found under mh's homepage, there's a patch. I'm a newbie and have very little C expertise, how do I patch the debian package ? Any help is much appreciated. Easiest way would be to contact the debian-maintainer and suggest he patches mh. You can also report it as a bug. That's the official way. Debian has an extensive bug-tracking system. Check out the debian documentation! Joop -- Joop Stakenborg PA3ABA Linux hamradio software map: http://huizen.dds.nl/~pa3aba ( === Still under construction =) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: modconf needs whiptail under hamm
Go to a site that mirrors debian-incoming such as ftp.du.debian.org and get the newt and whiptail that you find there. You must mean ftp.de.debian.org Joop -- Joop Stakenborg PA3ABA Linux hamradio software map: http://huizen.dds.nl/~pa3aba ( === Still under construction =) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Clueless newbie in need - PPP problems
Hi. I'm realy stuck here. I have managed to get the PPP set up (barely) and connect to my internet account. I can not, however DO anything. When I try to use ftp, dpkg-ftp, telnet, ect., I get an error reading 'ftp : URL : Hostname lookup failure'. The send data light and recieve data light on my modem do nothing. Can any one tell me, without using too many big words :), what I need to do to get onto the net, such that I can ftp, read e-mail, etc.? _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
How to setup Linux Network
Hi, I am a newer of Linux , I have already download the base-1.bin base-2.bin base-3.bin base-4.bin base-5.bin resc1440.bin drv1440.bin and install the them on a compaq 4/66 , I configed the network about ip address , gateway and ethernet network card etc , and then install the base-1 to base-5 diskettes (is my installation right ), I can login as root and my personal account , but the problem is appeared I CAN NOT RUN FTP/PING/TELNET etc THAT THE SYSTEM TOLD ME THE NETWORK UNREACHABLE where is the problem , how can i solve it ? by the way what is the usage of base1_3.tgz JianJun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libc6 - libc5
OK,.. a somewhat older question,.. but a new problem arised,.. I now need the g++ compiler as I am writing OO-code. I didnt find a altg++ package,.. or is it possible to provide libpaths to gcc so that it compiles C++ code,.. (I am just very bad in compilers and linkers). Thanks in advance again! Best Wishes Selim On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Scott Ellis wrote: ]On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Selim Issever wrote: ] ] Dear all, ] ] I upgraded to libc6,.. but now I need to compile libc5 o-files and link ] them together with other libc5 o-files,.. there is no possibility to ] recompile the old o-files, as I dont have the sources,.. ] ]Look at altgcc and the various -altdev packages for the librarys you need. ]It is simple to use, once altgcc and the libraries you need are installed ](be sure to make sure the libc5-linked librarys are installed), you simply ]need to prepend /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/bin to your path for altgcc to work ](alternatly, set CC to i486-linuxlibc1-gcc) ] ]-- ]Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ ] ] S E L I M I S S E V E R DESY-F15, Notkestr. 85, 22603 Hamburg, Germany; Tel/Fax: 040 8998-2843/4033 http://www.physik.uni-dortmund.de/~issevers; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ete kemige burundum, Yunus diye gorundum. Yunus Emre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: hamm timezones problem
On Mon, Feb 16, 1998 at 11:29:59PM +, Tim Bell wrote: First, a meta-question: is this the right list to be asking hamm-specific questions, or is there a developers list which is preferred for such things? Now, the problem: $ date Mon Feb 16 23:26:53 /etc/localtime 1998 $ dpkg -l timezones ... ii timezones 2.0.7pre1-1Time zone data files and utilities. on a different hamm machine: $ date Tue Feb 17 10:27:53 EST 1998 $ dpkg -l timezones ... ii timezones 2.0.6-3Time zone data files and utilities. Is this a bug with 2.0.7pre1-1, or some configuration problem? Run tzconfig. Adam Klein -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Incredibly huge /var/log/lastlog
According to Marcus Brinkmann: Would someone mind to explain me and the others what fixed seize files are Who mentioned fixed size files? and why ls shows the wrong information? Ls shows the right information, but some people interpret it in the wrong way :) Has already been discussed in this thread. What is a struct lastlog? See man lastlog Mike. -- Miquel van Smoorenburg | The dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac lay in his bed [EMAIL PROTECTED] | awake all night wondering if there is a doG -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libc6 - libc5
On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 10:05:05AM +0100, Selim Issever wrote: I now need the g++ compiler as I am writing OO-code. I didnt find a altg++ package,.. or is it possible to provide libpaths to gcc so that it compiles C++ code,.. (I am just very bad in compilers and linkers). There is no separate g++ compiler. gcc and g++ are merely different front-ends for GNU CC. Thus, the altgcc package also has /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/bin/g++ ; you also need libg++27-altdev to compile C++ programs for libc5. HTH, Ray -- Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian people taking care of spam
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Martin Schulze wrote: Since last week we're also reacting on spam and reporting abuse to the abusing party, their provider. For two days Igor Grobman has taken over the job as Anti-Spam Manager. He also informs abuse.net about spam and relaying. Igor, can you send me a list of domains, IP addresses/nets, and spammer email addresses when you confirm them. I'd like to add them to spamdb. (yes, i also use RBLbut it doesn't block all spam. as mentioned before, i have a multi-tiered spam blocking system) craig -- craig sanders
Re: mounting /tmp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Norris) writes: I'm trying to mount a filesystem (ext2) as /tmp, and am experiencing what I assume to be problems with the permissions. For example, when I type man bash (as a normal user) I get the message: bash: can't create a temporary filename: No such file or directory After mounting /tmp, do a chmod 1777 /tmp. The permissions on /tmp must allow world writes, and when you mount a new volume, the permissions on its root directory get used. -- Carey Evans http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ GNU GPL: The Source will be with you... always. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
smbfs
Hi, I'm having trouble with smbfs etc when I try to use smbmount to mount a win95 drive, I get the following errors: $ smbmount //[service]/c /mnt -n smb_get_length: Invalid NBT packet smb_dont_catch_keepalive: server-data_ready == NULL smb_dont_catch_keepalive: server-data_ready == NULL mount error: Invalid argument Please look at smbmount's manual page for possible reasons I have no idea what's not working, because samba's smbclient works fine Can anyone help? I am running bo, 2.0.30 and have both CONFIG_SMB_FS and CONFIG_SMB_WIN95 compiled into the kernel. Thanks.. Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- Two most common elements in the universe: Hydrogen Stupidity. --- Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Linux on acer [misdirected mail]
Hi, s/o please answer this guy. Regards, Joey -Forwarded message from Eckstein Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]- From (liceul teoretic (Ady Endre) elmeleti liceum), Bucharest. We are using Acer-Debian Linux (given as only official software distribution for to be used in the school) and we are trying to extend it to a small area network (Acer P166MMX/16M/2G/1.44/CDROM/SVGA14/Acersound/NE2000/2400(!)faxmod) +2*(ATT 386/8/~~80M/1.44/1.2/VGA14/NE2000(bootrom)) +(Acer 386/640k/~~80M/1.2/Hercules(!)/NE2000(bootrom)) +(? 286/640/no/1.2/cga(!)) +(? XT/640/no/360(!)/cga(!)) because that's all what we could have (for the moment). Main applications will be: learning with- and about computers, school press, communication [for ages from 3 to 18]. Any advice in the future is welcome, specialy about how to chain the v.old stuff as diskless terminals. -End of forwarded message- -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only / / proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mail setup and configuration
RUSSELL COOK [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, I have mail in /var/spool/mail/user . The system tells me it's there, but when I type 'mail' or 'mailx', it gives me the headers, but when I then type p to print the message, it tells me the messages are saved. `mail' is not exactly user-friendly. A popular mail-reader appears to be mutt, although I use Gnus under XEmacs myself. -- Carey Evans http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ GNU GPL: The Source will be with you... always. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: about the FAQ and /etc/init.d
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, John Spence wrote: While trying to decide on the most logical place to start my IP-Masquerading rules, I checked the faq for wisdom. Placing a script in /etc/init.d and then working out what numeric argument to pass to update-rc.d seemed to be the best bet. Answer 11.3 states that scripts in /etc/init.d all take an argument which can be either 'start', 'stop', or 'reload'Implementing my IP-Masq rules don't really require a start, stop or reload argument so would I be better off starting them in some other way/location ? Would the IP-Masq rules be best started from /etc/ppp/ip-up ? I use a script in /etc/rc.boot which is run automatically on boot. I guess ip-up would do, but I think it's better to set all that sort of stuff up on boot up. I think there is a default setserial one that you could look at... even though there is not much to look at :) (am I right to say it is a default?) Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- Bother, said Pooh, as he heard, Will the Defendant please rise. --- Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Clueless newbie in need - PPP problems
Stuart Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi. I'm realy stuck here. I have managed to get the PPP set up (barely) and connect to my internet account. I can not, however DO anything. When I try to use ftp, dpkg-ftp, telnet, ect., I get an error reading 'ftp : URL : Hostname lookup failure'. See whether something like ftp 130.207.7.21 works. You probably need to fill in your ISP's name servers in /etc/resolv.conf, something like the following. The addresses could be wrong, though. - domain wave.ca nameserver 24.113.32.2 nameserver 24.112.32.2 - -- Carey Evans http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ GNU GPL: The Source will be with you... always. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Installing UMSDOS
HEllo ! Can anybody tell me an URL or any other docu. when i can find more information how to install UMSDOS on DOS partition? thnx ! james -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
All this talk of flops has left me wondering is there any similar benchmarking (better still comparative info) for the SGI's? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
help! /dev/ttyp* permissions group
hi everybody, I've posted this question to comp.os.linux.misc some weeks ago and got no responses at all! please see if you can help me; I'm running Debian 1.3 (bo) with 2.0.29 kernel; if someone logs in via telnet and then logs out the /dev/ttyp* used is left with different permissions; in the following output: - I (oexel) am logged in ttyp0; - ttyp1 and ttyp2 have been used after the last reboot; - the rest have never been used since the last boot; $ ls -l /dev/ttyp* crw--w 1 oexeltty3, 0 Dec 17 17:04 /dev/ttyp0 crw--- 1 root root 3, 1 Dec 16 13:38 /dev/ttyp1 crw--- 1 root root 3, 2 Dec 7 00:46 /dev/ttyp2 crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty3, 3 Oct 12 16:38 /dev/ttyp3 crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty3, 4 Oct 12 16:38 /dev/ttyp4 crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty3, 5 Oct 12 16:38 /dev/ttyp5 a subsequent telnet login using the 'dirty' ttyp's works fine but minicom (over modemu) refuses to work with a message like: minicom: Cannot open /dev/ttyp1: Permission denied. in case you don't know, modemu is a simple telnet client that loads a comm program over itself; what's strange is that modemu can use /dev/ttyp1 ok; the error happens when minicom tries to use it! right after a reboot all ttyp*'s have permissions like 'crw-rw-rw-' and group like 'tty' so everything works fine! any clues? TIA! -- Otavio Exel /\oo/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: smbfs
Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : I'm having trouble with smbfs etc when I try to use smbmount to mount : a win95 drive, I get the following errors: : : $ smbmount //[service]/c /mnt -n : smb_get_length: Invalid NBT packet : smb_dont_catch_keepalive: server-data_ready == NULL : smb_dont_catch_keepalive: server-data_ready == NULL : mount error: Invalid argument : Please look at smbmount's manual page for possible reasons : : I have no idea what's not working, because samba's smbclient works : fine So you can do smbclient [service]//c with no problems? Is [service] the name of the Windows 95 machine? E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9431645 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
HP Colorado 5GB IDE
Can anyone enlighten me as to how to use a HP Colorado 5GB Internal IDE tape drive under Linux? I have had a look at various packages that come with Debian, but so far I haven't been able to work out how to get it to work. If there's a HOWTO somewhere then I'd be happy to be pointed in the right direction. Thanks. PLease reply to the address below. Ian W Karachi, Pakistan email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- þ RM 1.31 0445 þ Deja Moo-The feeling you get when you listen to a politician -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
dpkg --help | less
On my system the dpkg --help seems to come out on the wrong console. For instance if I do a dpkg --help | less then less doesn't seem to come into the picture at all. To check this out I did dpkg --help 2 dpkg.txt and all the help came out in the file. Is this correct behaviour or am I missing something? AFAICT all the other packages I have done a | less on to get the help have worked as I expected. Please reply to the address below. Ian W Karachi, Pakistan email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- þ RM 1.31 0445 þ Is there a Lawyer in the House? BLAM! Any more? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installing UMSDOS
i believe there is a UMSDOS howto at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/UMSDOS-HOWTO.html i found this to be pretty helpful when installing umsdos for my machine. -sen at some point around Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:37:21 +0100 Bujtar Janos [EMAIL PROTECTED] mentioned: HEllo ! Can anybody tell me an URL or any other docu. when i can find more information how to install UMSDOS on DOS partition? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libc6 - libc5
First off: thanks for the __fast__ reply! 2nd: it works :) - great! 3rd: I explicitly need to tell him the include path: -I/usr/i486-linuxlibc1/include/g++/ I would have expected it be automatic,.. *shrug* anyway,.. ThanX to all linux/debian/package developers/maintainers/newgroup and mailinglist helpers,.. Best Wishes Selim On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ]On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 10:05:05AM +0100, Selim Issever wrote: ] I now need the g++ compiler as I am writing OO-code. I didnt find a altg++ ] package,.. or is it possible to provide libpaths to gcc so that it ] compiles C++ code,.. (I am just very bad in compilers and linkers). ] ]There is no separate g++ compiler. gcc and g++ are merely different ]front-ends for GNU CC. Thus, the altgcc package also has ]/usr/i486-linuxlibc1/bin/g++ ; you also need libg++27-altdev to compile ]C++ programs for libc5. ] ]HTH, ]Ray ]-- ]Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden. ] S E L I M I S S E V E R DESY-F15, Notkestr. 85, 22603 Hamburg, Germany; Tel/Fax: 040 8998-2843/4033 http://www.physik.uni-dortmund.de/~issevers; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ete kemige burundum, Yunus diye gorundum. Yunus Emre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
freedos
-- Forwarded message -- I am a Linux fanatic living in India. I currently use Slackware 3.3. I wish to keep my system Microsoft-free. I have the follwing problem. (1) It is almost impossible to get non pnp ethernet cards, modems etc in India. (2) Further these cards are usually no-name Asian types with their own DOS drivers (3) I am no great device-driver writer. Since I have to use Linux with these peripherals, I have to first boot into DOS and then warm-boot into Linux. Can I get rid of MSDOS if I use freeDOS ? All I want is my machine to boot into DOS, poke in the pnp drivers and warm-boot Linux. Please note that I wish to work only in Linux. I do not wish to run any DOS programs from Linux. For example, I wish to participate on a network (using a pnp ethernet card) or browse the WWW (using Lynx on a pnp modem) from Linux. I know you can help me do this. Thank you in advance. M. K. Pai -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
permedia2 graphics chip
[cc: me as I'm not subscribed to this list] My father is planning on buying a new computer, and I'm trying to find a card that offers very good speed under Windows for both 2D (for him) and 3D rendering (games for me) and works in X under linux (Doesn't matter if it supports 3D, though accleration would be nice). I seem to be leaning towards cards based on the premedia2 chip from 3Dlabs. Does anyone know if it's supported under X yet? or if their are definite plans to support it. Thanks, Shaya -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: freedos
pai [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am a Linux fanatic living in India. I currently use Slackware 3.3. I wish to keep my system Microsoft-free. I have the follwing problem. (1) It is almost impossible to get non pnp ethernet cards, modems etc in India. (2) Further these cards are usually no-name Asian types with their own DOS drivers (3) I am no great device-driver writer. Since I have to use Linux with these peripherals, I have to first boot into DOS and then warm-boot into Linux. Can I get rid of MSDOS if I use freeDOS ? All I want is my machine to boot into DOS, poke in the pnp drivers and warm-boot Linux. You must have a look at isapnptools. The debian package says: Description: ISA Plug-And-Play configuration utilities. This program is suitable for all systems, whether or not they include a PnP BIOS. In fact, a PnP BIOS adds some complications because it may already activate some cards so that the drivers can find them, and these tools can unconfigure them, or change their settings causing all sorts of nasty effects. I think that you will be able to find a package for slackware. -- At\'e breve === Pedro Quaresma de Almeida Departamento de Matem\'atica Faculdade de Ci\^encias e Tecnologia Universidade de Coimbra P-3000 COIMBRA, PORTUGAL e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] url: http://www.mat.uc.pt/~pedro/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Questions...
Hi Debian users, Some Newbie questions... Is... Debian 1.3=stable=bo? Is... Debian 1.3.x=unstable=hamm? Can I run unstable packages on a bo-kernel? Can I run stable packages on a hamm-kernel? (e.g backward-compatible) Thanks... /Joakim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: freedos
Have you tried using isapnptools to configure your pnp cards under Linux yet? It actually works quite well in most cases. Although you should consider switching to Debian, the tool is available via ftp. See the FAQ at: http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/isapnpfaq.html From the Debian package description: Description: ISA Plug-And-Play configuration utilities. This program is suitable for all systems, whether or not they include a PnP BIOS. In fact, a PnP BIOS adds some complications because it may already activate some cards so that the drivers can find them, and these tools can unconfigure them, or change their settings causing all sorts of nasty effects. --Bob pai wrote: -- Forwarded message -- I am a Linux fanatic living in India. I currently use Slackware 3.3. I wish to keep my system Microsoft-free. I have the follwing problem. (1) It is almost impossible to get non pnp ethernet cards, modems etc in India. (2) Further these cards are usually no-name Asian types with their own DOS drivers (3) I am no great device-driver writer. Since I have to use Linux with these peripherals, I have to first boot into DOS and then warm-boot into Linux. Can I get rid of MSDOS if I use freeDOS ? All I want is my machine to boot into DOS, poke in the pnp drivers and warm-boot Linux. Please note that I wish to work only in Linux. I do not wish to run any DOS programs from Linux. For example, I wish to participate on a network (using a pnp ethernet card) or browse the WWW (using Lynx on a pnp modem) from Linux. I know you can help me do this. Thank you in advance. M. K. Pai -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Questions...
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Joakim Burman wrote: Hi Debian users, Some Newbie questions... Is... Debian 1.3=stable=bo? Is... Debian 1.3.x=unstable=hamm? Can I run unstable packages on a bo-kernel? Debian 1.3/1.3.X=stable=bo=libc5 release Debian 2.0=unstable=hamm=libc6(gnulibc2) release You can use unstable packages (like kernel-source) if they do not depend on libc6. I haven't tried reverse compatibility however... someone else may know. I wouldn't see a problem though if dpkg doesn't give you errors. Dennis -- dpk [EMAIL PROTECTED], Network Administrator | work: 353.4844 Division of Engineering Computing Services | page: 222.5875 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bullshit--Fired for Linux?
Hi all! I've just send a comment to Jesse Berst, the author of the whole mess, so I think, that it makes sens to send a Cc to debian-users. === I've chosen Linux and I'm not afraid about my, and its future I'm working on Warsaw University of Technology, and I'm dealing with digital processing of biomedical signals. I have written some programs for on-line acquisition and processing of such signals, which are used in labs and hospitals. For my work I have used DOS, and later MS Windows, until I finally moved to Linux. The reasons were: 1) Reliability - It appeared that Linux is much more stable then MS Windows. 2) Possibility of obtaining almost ANY information about how does it work - just from the source code or it's author. It is very important, when something doesn't work an I don't why. 3) Support You heve written there's no single company behind Linux. No single source of support. I agree with this sentence. And that's why I have chosen Linux. There are many source of support and it's much better. The company may always stop supporting of any of its products (there were such cases...). And then I stay without the source code, and without any chance to improve or fix it. The Linux source code is widely available, so it will be improved as long, as there are people interested in it. I tried to use the so called support of some commercial software companies (I wouldn't like to mention their names), as a registred user of their products. Sometimes I was sending them an exact bug report, and didn't received even a simple Thank you. No chance for any workaround suggestion. It seemed to me that it's me who is supporting the software manufacturer as a beta tester. Whenever I experience any problems with Linux, it is enough to send the posting to the mailing list or news group to obtain help from some sources of support. And as a final instance I have the source code... 4) Of course the costs. Linux is free, so I can legally prepare the computer system considering only costs of the hardware. The only problem I can see is that some companies, beeing afraid of Linux, are trying to force hardware vendors to hide architecture specification, limiting possibilities of writing device drivers for free operating systems. Of course I mean the infamous I2O SIG initiative... With best regards Wojtek Zabolotny [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:15:02 -0500 (EST) From: Jesse Berst's AnchorDesk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Team AnchorDesk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fired for Linux? / Win98 Now / Hot Products __Berst Alert COULD YOU GET FIRED FOR CHOOSING LINUX? http://www.zdnet.com/chkpt/adt0216ba/www.anchordesk.com/story/story_1774.htm l Linux fanatics cite the freeware operating system as a viable alternative to Windows NT. Sure it has technical merits, but can it pass the all-important cover your backside test? Seems to me that championing Linux could be a CLM (career-limiting move) at many large corporations. For your own sake, keep this in mind when reading the glowing articles about its growing popularity. Links, stats and other career-protecting information await you at the site. ~~~ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bullshit--Fired for Linux?
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Wojciech Zabolotny wrote: Hi all! I've just send a comment to Jesse Berst, the author of the whole mess, so I think, that it makes sens to send a Cc to debian-users. === [snip] Hi, It seems like he is not adding any more reactions to the forum. Too bad. I also sent some words, but I haven't seen them appear anywhere on the site. Here's my artwork: One job that I had in the past where running Linux was a problem was a place where motivation was generally not very high. I'm not really sad about not working there anymore. On the other hand, the place I work at now, there are a lot of people who use Linux or FreeBSD. These people are all very knowledgable and motivated because they like what they do and like to do what they are good at. Anybody risking to get fired because of Linux I can only say to: go for it! Things will only get much better. Now about some factual errors in the original article: - Linux is not only used as a webserver, it also beats NT as a fileserver. That is in Microsoft networking. But you don't see that advertised on the web very often. You can run an entire LAN of Windows95 clients served by a Linux server posing as a NT server for file- and printserving and authentication. (Of course, the windows95 clients would need a Pentium while the Linux server would do fine on a 486 or even 386.) The Linux solution is faster, more stable and you don't need to pay for per user licences. Get this service from a Linux VAR/Consultant and your total cost of ownership will stay way below a native NT based solution (NT needs much more maintenance after being set up.) - Linux has many fine applications that you can get support for. Linux users can get StarOffice 4.0 for free if for personal use. But it can also be bought as a commercial product. Why assume that Star Division won't give support in that case? BTW it's a real nice competitor for Microsoft Office. Joost Oh, about your optional survey: my 586/pentium is in fact also a unix workstation. But I couldn't get the form to understand that. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: network problem
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, S Lim wrote: I am building my first linux box on a 486, 3Com Card (3c509) on ISA, ethernet. I set the io address to 0x300. In my first installation, the network worked allright. I could ping, telnet, etc. I shut the system down and switch it off. When I switched the system on the next morning, the networking did not work anymore, I could not even see machines on the same subnet. I typed netstat -r, and got this : Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 128.250.172.0*255.255.255.0 U 0 0 1 eth0 127.0.0.0*255.0.0.0 U 0 0 1 I0 default 128.250.172.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 2 eth0 The last item (default) appeared after a long pause. I wonder whether the network was working fully when you booted up. It's usually worth trying -n to prevent name resolution in case the nameserver is playing up. I thought the network card might be faulty. I installed win95 and the network worked. I wonder whether it's changed the settings on your 3c509 card. Have you run pnpdsabl and 3c5x9cfg (names from memory) to set/check its configuration? So I reinstalled linux. I had to do it for a number of times before I got it back to work again. When I reinstalled, I repartitioned the harddisk, and reinstalled the driver, kernel and base system. Unfortunately, somebody switched the machine off without shutting it down. I have not been able to get the networking back since then. When the system boots up, I could see the message that eth0 is loaded. The ethernet address displayed is the correct one too. Does anybody know what is wrong? Well, after checking the card, and taking steps to prevent W95 mucking it up in the future if it's still there (cmos settings), why not just reinstall the system from scratch and then not switching it off. However, there's no need to repartition the disk or reinitialise the partitions as they haven't changed, just remount them, so it's quite quick. Cheers, -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: about the FAQ and /etc/init.d
Would the IP-Masq rules be best started from /etc/ppp/ip-up ? I use a script in /etc/rc.boot which is run automatically on boot. I guess ip-up would do, but I think it's better to set all that sort of stuff up on boot up. I think there is a default setserial one that you could look at... even though there is not much to look at :) (am I right to say it is a default?) I ended up creating a script in /etc/init.d which implements the IPMasq rules fine at startup. I think what led to this was that most of the references I've seen to startup scripts were about /etc/rc.local on other distributions and the Deb FAQ equates rc.local questions with /etc/init.d It did seem like overkill though as I hadn't even thought about placing a script in /etc/rc.boot One interesting point was the update-rc.d command line I used which was update-rc.d jmasq defaults 19 Using defaults was supposed to add symlinks for runlevels 2 to 5 but the output of the command was the following which seems to indicate that it did more than that. I assume that each of the following directories is for a specific runlevel: Adding system startup links pointing to /etc/init.d/jmasq ... rc2.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc3.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc4.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc5.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc0.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc1.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc6.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq -- John Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lynx.net.au/~jspence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: permedia2 graphics chip
My father is planning on buying a new computer, and I'm trying to find a card that offers very good speed under Windows for both 2D (for him) and 3D rendering (games for me) and works in X under linux (Doesn't matter if it supports 3D, though accleration would be nice). I seem to be leaning towards cards based on the premedia2 chip from 3Dlabs. Does anyone know if it's supported under X yet? or if their are definite plans to support it. Yes. Get the Permedia2 X server from www.suse.com. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Ping timeout on Linux --- Win 95
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have recently setup a home network between Linux, and Windows 95. I'm able to ping, telnet, and after setting up Samba and Ip-Masq, use the Linux's printer, and surf the inet, but the problem is: after about 5-10 minutes, it `ping` on Windows 95 machine replys Request timeout. However, after rebooting Windows 95 machine, it works again for another 5 minutes, any suggestions? Is there any file to check? And who's problem is it, Linux's or Windows? Thanks, Nikita. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNOmdJWzi0oSDAp3cEQJ//gCgxJXvSyF3n5Ncv+5addFm8s8gEosAnAoU gQJdHdbERWPuG6fWHY/1V3l1 =xQ2X -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bullshit--Fired for Linux?
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Keith Beattie wrote: Yea, I see what you mean but I'm a little concerned that Linux, and to a larger extent free software, will be damaged by people taking a religious attitude towards their software and not tolerating any criticism. I'm not accusing you (or anyone) of that, but I think that there might be presumption that us enthusiasts have that tendency and hence will not be taken seriously. Just to raise a chuckle and let you see how much ignorance is out there, this was posted by someone calling themselves, I believe, a unix sys admin, in the dos Onenet conference (FirstClass conf system) last September : Linux is the kiddie version of UNIX. It is a small subset of real UNIX : (AIX, HPUX,UTX,SOLARIS). It actually runs under DOS. It doesn't : support multi threaded processes, is a 16 bit OS and can be hung quite : easily. Unless you're a teen ager with dreams of being a real : programmer some day I would avoid it. Cheers, -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: help me buy a cheap sound card
I wish to buy a cheap sound card, just to be able to put some sound in my system, but all that I tried failed... Can someone point me a cheap one that (certainly) works under Linux? I spent $9.95 on one when I ordered something else. Not a package deal, I just wasn't willing to pay shipping on a sound card. I was already ordering, and they had one, so . . . It called itself soundblaster compatibale, it came with crummy directions in assorted languages with no discernible point of origin other than asia, and it works. It uses an ensoinc (1868 or some combination like that; i can't make it out in the machine), and gives me my blurps when my email comes, as well as letting me play with realaudio broadcasts. My $10 speakers, though (120 watt, though I ordered 80), ordered under similar circumstances, sound as if they have torn cones. But I don't care enough to pay to ship them back. It's not like I listen to mozart on them . . . hmm, mozart. time to put it the (real) cd player. rick -- These opinions will not be those of ISU until it pays my retainer. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
SGI workstations aren't that fast cpu wise. Where they run circles around other computers is due to SGI's fantastic graphics and rendering. This dosen't mean that they are slow. I was useing an SGI INDY2 with 180Mhz(hmm, that seems to fast) R5000 mips processor to crack RC5 under the Bovine project. It cracked keys about 10% faster then the p133 running NT at my desk. -- SG All this talk of flops has left me wondering is there any similar benchmarking (better still comparative info) for the SGI's? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: about the FAQ and /etc/init.d
At 00:36 +1030 1998-02-18, John Spence wrote: Using defaults was supposed to add symlinks for runlevels 2 to 5 but the output of the command was the following which seems to indicate that it did more than that. I assume that each of the following directories is for a specific runlevel: Adding system startup links pointing to /etc/init.d/jmasq ... rc2.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc3.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc4.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc5.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc0.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc1.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc6.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq S* means, execute with the argument start; K* means, execute with the argument stop; so, runlevels 2-5 will start the script, and runlevels 0, 1, and 6 will stop it. -- Joel Espy Klecker Debian GNU/Linux Developermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.espy.org/http://www.debian.org/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Incredibly huge /var/log/lastlog
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: According to Marcus Brinkmann: Would someone mind to explain me and the others what fixed seize files are Who mentioned fixed size files? I guess I did in my first post. After reading your susequent posts, I think that I should explain. Warning, I did not completely grasp your explanation but I think I got the jist of it (this will show in the wording I use). lastlog is an ordered file that saves last information for each user's offset (?) at a particular location, where that location is determined by the offset. If only a few users login and their offset's are close together, then lastlog is a relatively smaall file. However, if a user logs in with an offset vastly different, then lastlog becomes a huge file as reported by ls as it stored this offset at some distance from the others and therefore creates a file with a large amount of empty space. I think the idea that lastlog is fixed is that if there is a maximum offset a user can have, then after this offset is logged, the file will always be that size. Is this way off? Cheers, Colin. -- Colin Telmer, Kingston, Ontario, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://terrapin.econ.queensu.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Incredibly huge /var/log/lastlog
According to Colin R. Telmer: I guess I did in my first post. After reading your susequent posts, I think that I should explain. Warning, I did not completely grasp your explanation but I think I got the jist of it (this will show in the wording I use). lastlog is an ordered file that saves last information for each user's offset (?) at a particular location, where that location is determined by the offset. If only a few users login and their offset's are close together, then lastlog is a relatively smaall file. However, if a user logs in with an offset vastly different, then lastlog becomes a huge file as reported by ls as it stored this offset at some distance from the others and therefore creates a file with a large amount of empty Yes, something like that. Actually the offset is unix_user_id * sizeof(struct lastlog) space. I think the idea that lastlog is fixed is that if there is a maximum offset a user can have, then after this offset is logged, the file will always be that size. Well the highest user id in Unix is 65534 (usually nobody) so if that user logs in, it sets the file to the maximum size it'll ever get .. Mike. -- Miquel van Smoorenburg | The dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac lay in his bed [EMAIL PROTECTED] | awake all night wondering if there is a doG -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: about the FAQ and /etc/init.d
Adding system startup links pointing to /etc/init.d/jmasq ... rc2.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc3.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc4.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc5.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc0.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc1.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq rc6.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq S* means, execute with the argument start; K* means, execute with the argument stop; so, runlevels 2-5 will start the script, and runlevels 0, 1, and 6 will stop it. AH! It makes sense now, thanks. So I'd better mimick some of the other scripts and add start/stop parameters or move it to /etc/rc.boot/ -- John Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lynx.net.au/~jspence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: afterstep config file in /tmp
On 13 Feb 1998, Gilbert Laycock wrote: Does anybody have any idea what causes the steprc not to be deleted for some users? I suspect something in the personal setup files (this is a student lab, and once somebody gets a nice looking setup it tends to be copied around), but since I am not an afterstep user I haven't been able to spot anything untoward in the .steprc files concerned. That file is there because afterstep cpp's the configuration files (either /etc/X11/afterstep/system.steprc or ~/.steprc) and put the result there. It fails to delete it if the user zaps the xserver (C-A-backspace). Maybe newer versions of AS don't have this problem (it's 1.4 already, and there's a whislist bug filed against the current Debian package) Marcelo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: usr mounted on md device
Great suggestion - but lsof complains my booted kernel doesn't match the System.map file. I recompiled the kernel and it updated the System.map file and lsof still complains. Thanks, Pat -- From: Jens Ritter Sent: Monday, February 16, 1998 6:03 PM To: Patrick Ouellette Cc: 'Debian User' Subject:Re: usr mounted on md device Patrick Ouellette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a fit of madness, I created a md device and moved the /usr file system to it. Everything runs fine, except I get an error during shutdown that /usr can't be unmounted. Why do I get the message (or what files are in use at shutdown on /usr), and is there any way to fix it (short of moving /usr off the md device)? You can try and insert a lsof /usr in the shutdown process, just before the /usr is umounted. This might give you the answer. HTH, Jens --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key from: http://www.weh.rwth-aachen.de/~jens/public.asc Key ID: 2048/E451C639 Jens Ritter Key fingerprint: 5F 3D 43 1E 24 1E CC 48 1E 05 93 3A A7 10 73 37 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
IP Masquerading
Hi, i could not get IP Masquerading work. I got two linux machines in a network with more machines. I've set up one machine as a Firewall for masquerading the other one but it seems that only one packet passes through the firewall. In the firewall i've done #ipfwadm -F -p deny #ipfwadm -F -a m -S xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0 and in the client machine i've set up the gateway pointing to de firewall machine. Any clues? __ Felipe Alvarez Harnecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Compañia de Telecomunicaciones de Chile. Telefono: 691.30.56 Licenciado en Matemáticas y Computación Pontificia Universidad Católica de Chile. Potenciado por Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org __ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
On 16 Feb 1998, Ben Pfaff wrote: Can you point me to the source code for the benchmark? I can run it on my PII/233 for comparison if you want. and Alex Yukhimets: Same here, only with PII/300. You can find the source code here: http://www.efis.ucr.ac.cr/~mmagallo/flops_p.c This is extracted from the flops program written by Al Burto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). This is just module 1, using 7 sums, 6 mults, 1 div. I think I got this from http://www.hensa.ac.uk/parallel/ or netlib. Compiling with gcc -O2 gives a bit more than 39 on the PII. Using egcc (1.0.1-0.3) with -mpentiumpro gives almost 40.9 Many thanks in advance. Marcelo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Fatal Server error
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, K.Y.Lo wrote: : Hi : : I have a problem with X-windows setup. : : Fatal Server error: : Cannot open mouse (I/O error) : : Help me! : : I have MS mouse (serial port). Should I use insmod to set mouse on? Did you configure X correctly? And does the device for your exist indeed? bye, Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: hamm timezones problem
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Gergely Madarasz wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Tim Bell wrote: First, a meta-question: is this the right list to be asking hamm-specific questions, or is there a developers list which is preferred for such things? AFAIK this is the right list. Now, the problem: $ date Mon Feb 16 23:26:53 /etc/localtime 1998 I had this problem when I upgraded to hamm after installing only the base system, so the timezone package from bo which took care about /etc/localtime wasnt installed. I dont know exactly how the new timezones package should handle this, but here is a workaround: remove timezones, install timezone from bo, then reinstall timezones. I had timezone installed with bo, but after upgrading to hamm also got the /etc/localtime indication. Adding a symbolic link: ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Arizona /etc/localtime fixed it. Bob --- Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How to setup Linux Network
On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Dai Jian Jun wrote: : I am a newer of Linux , I have already download the :base-1.bin base-2.bin base-3.bin base-4.bin base-5.bin :resc1440.bin drv1440.bin : and install the them on a compaq 4/66 , : I configed the network about ip address , gateway and ethernet : network card etc , and then install the base-1 to base-5 : diskettes (is my installation right ), I can login as root and : my personal account , but the problem is appeared : : I CAN NOT RUN FTP/PING/TELNET etc THAT THE SYSTEM TOLD ME THE : NETWORK UNREACHABLE : : where is the problem , how can i solve it ? by the way what is the : usage of base1_3.tgz : JianJun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Is 'route' displaying correct information? Did you complete the dselect-setup program? bye, Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IP Masquerading
I may be wrong here, but with your source mask set at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/32, the only packets that will make it through are broadcast packets. What happens if you change the source address to xxx.xxx.xxx.0/24. Someone enlighten me if I've foobar'd this. Steve Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i could not get IP Masquerading work. I got two linux machines in a network with more machines. I've set up one machine as a Firewall for masquerading the other one but it seems that only one packet passes through the firewall. In the firewall i've done #ipfwadm -F -p deny #ipfwadm -F -a m -S xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0 and in the client machine i've set up the gateway pointing to de firewall machine. Any clues? __ Felipe Alvarez Harnecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Compañia de Telecomunicaciones de Chile. Telefono: 691.30.56 Licenciado en Matemáticas y Computación Pontificia Universidad Católica de Chile. Potenciado por Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org __ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Mdutils boot problem
Hi all, I seem to have a mis-configured mdutils package (version 0.35-14 running on an up-to-date hamm system) and hope someone can help. I have a single entry in /etc/mdtab created by mdcreate: /dev/md0 linear,4k,0,8fd9453a /dev/hdb1 /dev/hdc1 /dev/hdc2 /dev/hdc3 /dev/hdc5 /dev/hdc6 and an entry in /dev/fstab: /dev/md0 /share1 ext2 defaults 1 0 During boot-up the system complains that it can't fsck /dev/md0 and asks for a root-password to fix the problem manually. What seems to be happening is that mdadd and mdrun are executed, but not in time for the mount step. This may be related to a dangling symlink in /etc/rsS.d: S05keymaps.sh - /etc/init.d/kbd-boot.sh S10checkroot.sh - ../init.d/checkroot.sh S20modutils - ../init.d/modutils - S25mdutils.sh - ../init.d/mdutils.sh S30checkfs.sh - ../init.d/checkfs.sh S35mountall.sh - ../init.d/mountall.sh S40hostname.sh - ../init.d/hostname.sh S40network - ../init.d/network S45mountnfs.sh - ../init.d/mountnfs.sh S50hwclock.sh - ../init.d/hwclock.sh - S50raid - ../init.d/mdutils S55bootmisc.sh - ../init.d/bootmisc.sh S55urandom - ../init.d/urandom I don't have a /etc/init.d/mdutils.sh: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# ls /etc/init.d READMEkbd-boot.sh netstd_misc sysklogd apachekerneld netstd_nfsumountfs atd logoutd network urandom boot.OLD lpd rcurandom.dpkg-old bootmisc.sh mdutils rcS xdm checkfs.shmodules rebootxdm.dpkg-old checkroot.sh modutils rmnologin xfs cron mountall.sh sendsigs xntp3 functions mountnfs.sh singlexntp3.dpkg-dist halt netatalk skeleton hostname.sh netbase smail hwclock.shnetstd_init ssh Should I change S25mdutils to point to /etc/init.d/mdutils and remove the S50raid entry? Is this a bug in the package, or something wierd with my setup? Thanks! --Norris -- Norris Preyer (541) 962-3310 (office) Physics Program (541) 962-3873 (fax) Eastern Oregon University [EMAIL PROTECTED] La Grande, OR 97850http://physics.eou.edu/npreyer.html finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
On 16 Feb 1998, Ben Pfaff wrote: Can you point me to the source code for the benchmark? I can run it on my PII/233 for comparison if you want. and Alex Yukhimets: Same here, only with PII/300. You can find the source code here: http://www.efis.ucr.ac.cr/~mmagallo/flops_p.c Hi. On my PII/300 with bo installed (gcc 2.7.2.1) compiled without -O option gives 4.8672e-130.2832 49.4379 with -O2 4.8490e-130.2531 55.3142 with -O3 -5.4193e-130.2356 59.4231 ^ -- what's that '-' about? Thanks. Alex Y. This is extracted from the flops program written by Al Burto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). This is just module 1, using 7 sums, 6 mults, 1 div. I think I got this from http://www.hensa.ac.uk/parallel/ or netlib. Compiling with gcc -O2 gives a bit more than 39 on the PII. Using egcc (1.0.1-0.3) with -mpentiumpro gives almost 40.9 Many thanks in advance. Marcelo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
On 17 Feb, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: On 16 Feb 1998, Ben Pfaff wrote: Can you point me to the source code for the benchmark? I can run it on my PII/233 for comparison if you want. and Alex Yukhimets: Same here, only with PII/300. You can find the source code here: http://www.efis.ucr.ac.cr/~mmagallo/flops_p.c This is extracted from the flops program written by Al Burto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). This is just module 1, using 7 sums, 6 mults, 1 div. I think I got this from http://www.hensa.ac.uk/parallel/ or netlib. Compiling with gcc -O2 gives a bit more than 39 on the PII. Using egcc (1.0.1-0.3) with -mpentiumpro gives almost 40.9 Many thanks in advance. Marcelo All right, if I was your professor, I'd ask for my money back. I have a dual PPro 200, and I get roughly 67, from gcc 2.7.2.3 and gcc 2.8.0. gcc 2.8 didn't help nearly as much as I was hoping it would. I also have access to a PII/266, and get roughly 81 from that. Both of these machines were running the distributed.net client in the background, in case that matters. For the person who was asking about SGI's, we have an SGI Origin here (one of the little, 4x180 Mhz processor ones), and get 72 from that, using just -O2 for optimizations. All of these numbers are per processor, as I've only tested one process at a time. I've spent $2800 on the dual PPro, $3500 if you count the peripherals I brought over from my old 486. I have no idea what kind of obscene amounts of money the SGI Origin cost. You may draw your own conclusions about cost effectiveness :-) -- Stephen Ryan Debian GNU/Linux Mathematics graduate student, Dartmouth College -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Mail config problems
Thanks to all who replied to my problems using mail and mailx. They still don't work for me, even though I can read my spool file. Mail lists my headers, but when I press enter to read the message, it exits and tells me that the messages remain on the spool. It won't show them to me. Could this behaviour in any way be related to my upgrade from Bo to Hamm? I haven't noticed any other packages behaving strangely, except that Netscape V4 locks up on me. I would be happy to email (using windows :( ) the output of dpkg -l to anyone willing to analyze it and look for incompatibilities. I seem to recall someone mentioning a setup script for sendmail that eases the configuration process for machines on a lan that also access the internet. I think this was something other than the sample scripts that come with the sendmail package. My mail is not yet configured properly. Can anyone point me to some help? Thanks, Russ Russell Cook, Engineering Branch WSR-88D Operational Support Facility (405)366-6520 x4237 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
how can I change priority of focused/non-focused windows?
Hi, I've noticed that most http and ftp clients will have decreased download rates when their window loses focus. There doesn't need to be any other modem usage, or even a resource intensive app in focus for this to occur. I've tried `renice', but this doesn't noticeably change the behavior I'm referring to -- yes, renice works, and I'm using negative values, up to -20, but that doesn't have anywhere near the impact of going out of focus. I'd like to give unfocused windows a higher priority. How can I do this? I've also noticed that during long downloads, some ftp clients tend to stall, but that particularly two activities will restart the download: a.) Dragging the titlebar of the ftp client window, clicking titlebar. b.) Pinging a FQDN, starting a net-aware app, other small net jobs. What causes this, and/or how can I keep ftp clients alive on long downloads? -- D a v i d S t e r n -- http://weber.u.washington.edu/~kotsya [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mdutils boot problem
On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 08:17:19AM -0800, Norris Preyer wrote: I seem to have a mis-configured mdutils package (version 0.35-14 running on an up-to-date hamm system) and hope someone can help. Oups, sorry, two days ago I noticed that the S25mdutils.sh was not removed by removing mdutils. The most recent version is aware of this. Please remove it manually. Regards, Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only / / proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kernel + SB 16 PnP
Hello Lothar! Maybe your problem 1. comes from the SB. I hat the same problem. And ther was no way to boot any kernel I had on floppy or harddisk. As I have DOS on the same machine, I configured the soundcard under DOS to the parameters of th old card, so that it didn't conflict with the other cards anymore. Then I installed isapnp. Maybe starting from the rescue disk helps, too. Mit freundlichen Gruessen Jutta Wrage -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Kernel compilation
Advantages of using make-kpkg -- -- - - I have been asked several times about the advantages of using the kernel-package package over the traditional Linux way of hand compiling kernels, and I have come up with this list. This is off the top of my head, I'm sure to have missed points yet. Any additions welcomed. i) Convenience. I used to compile kernels manually, and it involved a series of steps to be taken in order; kernel-package was written to take all the required steps (it has grown beyond that now, but essentially, that is what it does). This is especially important to novices: make-kpkg takes all the steps required to compile a kernel, and installation of kernels is a snap. ii) It allows you to keep multiple version of kernel images on your machine with no fuss. iii) It has a facility for you to keep multiple flavours of the same kernel version on your machine (you could have a stable 2.0.33 version, and a 2.0.33 version patched with the latest drivers, and not worry about contaminating the modules in /lib/modules) iv) It knows that some architectures do not have vmlinuz (using vmlinux instead), and other use zImage rather than bzImage, and calls the appropriate target, and takes care of moving the correct file into place. v) Several other kernel module packages are hooked into kernel-package, so one can seamlessly compile, say, pcmcia modules at the same time as one compiles a kernel, and be assured that the modules so compiled are compatible. vi) It enables you to use the package management system to keep track of the kernels created. Using make-kpkg creates a .deb file, and dpkg can track it for you. This facilitates the task of other packages that depend on the kernel packages. vii) It allows to create a package with the headers, or the sources, also as a deb file, and enables the package management system to keep track of those (and there are packages that depend on the package management system being aware of these packages) ix) Since the kernel image package is a full fledged debian package, it comes with mantainer scripts, which take care of details like offering to make a boot disk, manipulating symbolic links in / so that you can make boot loader scripts static (just refer to the symbolic links, rather than the real image files; the names of the symbolic links do not change, but the kernl image file names change with the version) x) There is support for the multitudinous sub architectures that have blossomed under the umbrella of the m68k architecture. xi) There is support there for optionally applying patches to the kernel provided as a kernel-patch .deb file, and building a patched kernel automagically, and still retain an unpatched kernel source tree Disadvantages of using make-kpkg - -- - - i) This is a cookie cutter approach to compiling kernels, and there are paople who like being close to the bare metal. ii) This is not how it is done in the non-Debian world. This flaunts tradition. -- Everything that exceeds the bounds of moderation has an unstable foundation. Seneca Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: - - On 16 Feb 1998, Ben Pfaff wrote: - - Can you point me to the source code for the benchmark? I can run it - on my PII/233 for comparison if you want. - - and Alex Yukhimets: - - Same here, only with PII/300. - - You can find the source code here: - -http://www.efis.ucr.ac.cr/~mmagallo/flops_p.c - - This is extracted from the flops program written by Al Burto - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). This is just module 1, using 7 sums, 6 mults, 1 div. - I think I got this from http://www.hensa.ac.uk/parallel/ or netlib. - - Compiling with gcc -O2 gives a bit more than 39 on the PII. Using egcc - (1.0.1-0.3) with -mpentiumpro gives almost 40.9 - - Many thanks in advance. - - Marcelo - a better (and much more thorough) benchmark can be found at: http://gwyn.tux.org/~mayer/linux/bmark.html the benchmark displays integer, floating point, and some of the memory system performance. there is a link to a lot of results from various contributors on that page as well. --andy -- Andy Kahn* Digital Equipment Corporation * Phone 603-884-2557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Unix File Systems Development * Fax 603-881-2257 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Printer
I just 'inherited' an IBM Laserprinter E. I have no manual for it and tried to find out about it on the IBM web site to no avail. Does anyone know what GS settings I would use to drive this printer? I would love to set it up so I can share it with my systems here. Thanks Brian Schramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Man does not display tables
I installed Debian 1.3.1 from the Official CD. I installed the packages that dselect suggests. I found that the man program don't understand some tags. For example in the /usr/man/man4/console_codes.4.gz file I see the following that is supposed to be a table: .SS ESC- but not CSI-sequences .TS l l l. ESC c RIS Reset. ESC D IND Linefeed. ESC E NEL Newline. ESC H HTS Set tab stop at current column. ... But when I run man console_codes I get the following output: ESC- but not CSI-sequences l l l. ESC c RIS Reset. ESC D IND Linefeed. ESC ENEL Newline. ESC H HTS Set tab stop at current column. ESC M RI Reverse linefeed. ESC Z DECID DEC private identification. The kernel Should I install something to have the man program to understand the .TS tag? Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Kernel compilation
On 17 Feb 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Advantages of using make-kpkg -- -- - - I have been asked several times about the advantages of using the kernel-package package over the traditional Linux way of hand compiling kernels, and I have come up with this list. This is off the top of my head, I'm sure to have missed points yet. Any additions welcomed. snipped for brevity sake All very good points except alot of people including myself prefer compiling their own kernels for various reasons. But at the same time run into packages that require the debian package version even though you have same or newer self compiled kernel installed. Not to mention that I personally run devel kernels for various reasons. __ *** Bill West Houston TX email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Linux = The choice of a GNU generation ** There are two kinds of people, those who do the work and those who take the credit. Try to be in the first group; there is less competition there. -Indira Gandhi- ** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Kernel compilation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All very good points except alot of people including myself prefer compiling their own kernels for various reasons. But at the same time run into packages that require the debian package version even though you have same or newer self compiled kernel installed. Not to mention that I personally run devel kernels for various reasons. If you actually *read* Manoj's posting, you'll realize that the entire posting was about using make-kpkg is while compiling your own kernels. make-kpkg is a way for you to integrate those self-compiled kernels into the Debian packaging system. I've used make-kpkg for nearly two years, and I don't use pre-compiled Debian kernels. I never have. If, for whatever reason, you don't want that, fine, but don't bitch about it when packages which are kernel-version dependent follow Debian's standard. We (more properly, Manoj) have provided a way to achieve this---if you don't bother to actually investigate, even when you're told about it, then you reap what you sow. Mike. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Mounting MS-DOS filesystems
I am running 1.3.1 on a Compaq Deskpro 2000 5120. I have 2 hard drives, pri master is 1.2gb, pri slave is 630mb. The primary master is Linux 100%, except for a Boot Manager Partition. The second drive is DOS 6.22, 1 big partition. Whenever I attempt to mount the secondary drive under Linux (/dev/hdb) I get a message that there is not a valid MS-DOS filesystem on the drive, and about the only other message that I get that is easily decipherable is Transaction block size=512 or something to that effect. Two questions: 1.) Is that transaction block the same thing as a cluster size under DOS? 2.) (the most obvious) What am I doing wrong? The device and mount point, etc are in the /etc/fstab file, which I can send if need be. Thanks in advance, Greg Dickinson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Pentium II performance?
Thanks for the info JOn On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Stephen Gregory wrote: SGI workstations aren't that fast cpu wise. Where they run circles around other computers is due to SGI's fantastic graphics and rendering. This dosen't mean that they are slow. I was useing an SGI INDY2 with 180Mhz(hmm, that seems to fast) R5000 mips processor to crack RC5 under the Bovine project. It cracked keys about 10% faster then the p133 running NT at my desk. -- SG All this talk of flops has left me wondering is there any similar benchmarking (better still comparative info) for the SGI's? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Questions...
Joakim Burman wrote: Hi Debian users, Some Newbie questions... Is... Debian 1.3=stable=bo? 1.3.x is stable (codename is bo) Is... Debian 1.3.x=unstable=hamm? 2.0.x is unstable (means changing not buggy). It is codenamed hamm Can I run unstable packages on a bo-kernel? Can I run stable packages on a hamm-kernel? (e.g backward-compatible) The kernel has little to do w/ packages. I run 2.0.33 on a hamm system. The default hamm kernel is also a bo kernel. What makes hamm different than bo is the new libc. Most apps are dynamically linked to this lib. SO bo packages may not work on hamm, and hamm packages WILL NOT work on bo. For you windows people it is like two different versions of a DLL. Thanks... /Joakim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Problems installing Debian from 1.3.1 CDROM
I'm trying to install debian from the Official 1.3.1 distribution, unfortunately the setup routines cannot mount my cdrom. The CDROM is detected (as /dev/hdd) but when it comes to mount the CDROM to install Debian, I get the following message: Bad logical zone size 1 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems CDROM to the Harddrive but this screws up the symbolic links and file names HOwever I still cannot mount the CDROM. My PC is based around an AMD-K6 200Mhz and a SOYO 5BT5 motherboard which uses the INTEL TX chipset. Under the previous setup (a Pentium 75Mhz and unnamed motherboard, the CDROM worked fine. Does anyone have any ides or solutions? TIA -- Giles Paterson 3rd Year MEng Software Engineering Student Department of Computing, University of Bradford -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
PGP Issues
I've just installed the pgp-us package, and tried to run the key generation portion of the program. It accepts my input, pass phrase, etc., but fails as follows after calculating the key indicating that it failed while attempting to write the key file to my home directory. Has anyone else had this problem? I am running the latest release in the hamm distribution. Could this be happening because pgp needs to have its permissions modified in some way? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Brent -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: More BASH questions
Fulgham, Brent/SCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone tell me if there is a way to generate screen dumps of bash sessions? For example, let's say I have a test-mode application that asks for some input and then outputs something in response. Is there a way to have this whole exchange dumped to the printer, so that both the program output and my manual input are copied to the printer? This would be similar to the screen dump capability of DOS. Use the script program. It saves all your input and the bash' output into a file which can be printed as usual. Torsten -- I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere. Fortune Cookie PGP Public key available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PGP Issues
You caught me before I could talk to the maintainer. Create a ~/.pgp dir. It will work from there. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PGP Issues
On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 12:44:28PM -0700, Fulgham, Brent/SCO wrote: I've just installed the pgp-us package, and tried to run the key generation portion of the program. It accepts my input, pass phrase, etc., but fails as follows after calculating the key indicating that it failed while attempting to write the key file to my home directory. Has anyone else had this problem? I am running the latest release in the hamm distribution. Could this be happening because pgp needs to have its permissions modified in some way? Any help would be greatly appreciated. You need to create a .pgp directory in your home directory and then run pgp -kg again. Adam Klein -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Dselect problems on a new FTP installtion.
Hi, I just upgraded my redhat to debian 1.3.1, but for some odd reason (is this cause of a package I've installed?) I seem to get the following error when I tried to run dselect again (for ftp installation). *** Can't locate loadable object for module IO in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/i386-linux/5.004 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/local/lib/site_perl/i386-linux /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/perl5/IO/Handle.pm line 241 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/IO/Socket.pm line 106. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 378. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/setup line 7. query/setup script returned error exit status 2. Press RETURN to continue. *** If this is cause of some other package overwriting the installation packages..what other package should I download to fix this problem? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u.arizona.edu ishan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Kernel compilation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not to mention that I personally run devel kernels for various reasons. Huh? I'm running make-kpkg compiled versions of the 2.1.79 and 2.1.87 built from the source I downloaded from ftp.kernel.org the other day. What's your point? And when I discovered the chown problem with the 2.1.8(early) kernels, it took me one command: $ sudo dpkg -i /usr/local/src/kernel-images/ kernel-image-2.1.79_1.0_i386.deb and a reboot to fix it. -- Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP fingerprint = E8 0E 0D 04 F5 21 A0 94 53 2B 97 F5 D6 4E 39 30 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Installing packages larger than 1.44MB via floppy disks
I have installed Debian Linux on a PC that does not have a modem and is not on a LAN, using floppy disks I created on my PC with a modem. How do I install packages via floppy disks that are larger than 1.44MB? Is there a DOS utility that I can use to split these files across several disks? Thanks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
The Ideal Linux Machine
I work for a company that assembles computers and I am interested in putting together computers that will come preloaded with Linux, and I am wondering what people would consider necessary for a good Linux Box, and then we will start offering Linux-Ready Units. (If my boss okays the concept :-) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dpkg --help | less
On Tue, 17 Feb 98, IW == IAN WATKINS wrote: IW On my system the dpkg --help seems to come out on the wrong console. For IW instance if I do a dpkg --help | less then less doesn't seem to come into IW the picture at all. To check this out I did dpkg --help 2 dpkg.txt and all the help came IW out in the file. IW Is this correct behaviour or am I missing something? AFAICT all the IW other packages I have done a | less on to get the help have worked as I IW expected. Dpkg --help prints on stderr, not on stdout as most others do. This is not an expected behavior, and a bug is already filed. -- Proudly running Debian Linux! Linux vs. Windows is a no-Win situation Igor Grobman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installing packages larger than 1.44MB via floppy disks
I have installed Debian Linux on a PC that does not have a modem and is not on a LAN, using floppy disks I created on my PC with a modem. How do I install packages via floppy disks that are larger than 1.44MB? Is there a DOS utility that I can use to split these files across several disks? Thanks. Check out SimTel ... I think they have such stuff. Never tried 'em though. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Two-monitors
I have two video cards installed on my machine. I also have 2 monitors I'd like to have running. However I have not yet figured out how to get the system using the second video card. So far the only place I see any trace of the second one is in /proc/pci where it is listed as a PCI device. To possibly make life more difficult, both cards are the same brand - the only difference being the amount of RAM installed on each (4 vs 8MB). Does anyone have such a setup going? I plan to use x2x once I have them both going, but need to get over this slight hurdle first ;-) TIA 8---8 Richard Shepherd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 8---8 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installing packages larger than 1.44MB via floppy disks
there a DOS utility that I can use to split these files across several disks? Thanks. My meegar advise might be try to uuencode it and slip it into two files then zip each, put it on the dos partion (assuming you have one) and uudecode. Achaic, but it should work ;) Of course, then you'd need to find a dos uuencoder/decoder... Chris -- '\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\ Live on Real Audio Thursday nights 8-11 EST http://www.uvm.edu/~wruv T-SNAKE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN:1868354 A DJ on a mission CROSSFADE RECORDS http://www.crossfade.com/ Drug free techno ,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/'\,/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mounting /tmp
I tried that, and it did the trick. Thanx! I had assumed (obviously incorrectly) that the permissions on whatever directory it was being mounted to determined that. On 17 Feb 1998, Carey Evans wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Norris) writes: I'm trying to mount a filesystem (ext2) as /tmp, and am experiencing what I assume to be problems with the permissions. For example, when I type man bash (as a normal user) I get the message: bash: can't create a temporary filename: No such file or directory After mounting /tmp, do a chmod 1777 /tmp. The permissions on /tmp must allow world writes, and when you mount a new volume, the permissions on its root directory get used. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
help me understand timezones
Hi, I had several problems with timezones, and for many weeks my clock was wrong because of daylight savings (even though it said it changed the clock at that time, looks like it lost this information at the first boot), and I had no time to dig into this, untill finally I just changed the BIOS clock by hand... But I wanted to understand how does the timezones work, and I went to /usr/doc/timezones, and found the glibc docs, instead of timezone's! Well, in my system: $ date Tue Feb 17 14:09:22 PST 1998 $ date -R Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:14:47 -0800 nr# dpkg -l timezone ic timezone7.55-2 Data files needed to set your local time My questions are: 1) Is this correct for CA (-0800, at daylight savings period)? 1) At the daylight savings dates, is timezone supposed to change the BIOS clock, or should it leave the BIOS clock unchanged, and transform BIOS time in PST time? Will it change automatically now, when the daylight period ends? 2) Is it better/worse/possible to have the BIOS clock set to GMT, and let timezone transforms it? In this case, how one can see the BIOS clock time? 3) should I upgrade timezone? Feel free to add more comments I did not ask about, that you might feel relevant. Thanks. -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bullshit--Fired for Linux?
There may be some small validity to it. In LJ, even that guy who put all the alpha cpus together over 100 mbps ethernet, debugging the code for the alphas along the way, in order to render the water for the movie 'Titanic', said 'The satisfaction in this success actually made up for the stress incurred in risking one's job and career'. In the EE department of our school there is a new professsor who has made big waves (and some devoted friends) by stripping out a bunch of Win95 systems from the labs he is responsible for and replacing them with Linux systems. People whined incessantly while we got accounts set up, printing and netscape working, etc. At first all they did on the systems was login quake password quake, but I notice that in recent days xpilot has come to predominate (following the traditional substance over style evolutionary pattern which almost always favors Linux). Still, the amount of heat he took for the operation was considerable, and it probably had a negative impact overall on his student reviews (with high standard deviation of course, as there are a number of people who approve completely). All in all then, I have to agree that the article has a point, though the tone with which they expressed it was disgusting. Linux really isn't right for gutless corporate weasles with little knowledge about what they are doing and impatient closed-minded bosses. On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Ralph Winslow wrote: George Bonser wrote: Agreed, cancel all subscriptions to ZD magazines. Badmouthing Linux could be a career limiting move for an editor. And as Bugs Bunny would say - What a maroon!. On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Ian Keith Setford wrote: Yo- I received this and couldn't believe this! What an irresponsible piece of pro-Microsoft propaganda. Ziff-Davis has sunk to a new low. -Ian btw, pardon my french -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:15:02 -0500 (EST) From: Jesse Berst's AnchorDesk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Team AnchorDesk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fired for Linux? / Win98 Now / Hot Products __Berst Alert COULD YOU GET FIRED FOR CHOOSING LINUX? http://www.zdnet.com/chkpt/adt0216ba/www.anchordesk.com/story/story_1774.html Linux fanatics cite the freeware operating system as a viable alternative to Windows NT. Sure it has technical merits, but can it pass the all-important cover your backside test? Seems to me that championing Linux could be a CLM (career-limiting move) at many large corporations. For your own sake, keep this in mind when reading the glowing articles about its growing popularity. Links, stats and other career-protecting information await you at the site. ~~~ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . George Bonser If NT is the answer, you didn't understand the question. (NOTE: Stolen sig) http://www.debian.org Debian/GNU Linux ... the maintainable operating system. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- - Ralph Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary bought a pair of skates upon the ice to frisk now wasn't that a crazy way her sweet young *? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
