WindowMaker/XFMail?

[Timothy Hospedales]

Hi all.
I just used apt to get and install WindowMaker, (I was using icewm b4). 
Now that its installed, my xfmail refuses to do anything that involves 
opening a new window - Reading Mail, Composing mail etc. When I press 
compose or something, the main XFMAIL window goes into the background, 
but no new window appears. 
Everything works fine again if I start X with icewm.

any ideas?
Thanks,
Timothy 


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Re: pppd 2.3.5: "peer refused to authenticate" problem

[Daniel Martin at cush]

Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The answer is easy.  The new ppp's set auth "on" by default.  They did
> not use to do so.  Edit the provider script and add "noauth" near the
> end.  All will be happy.

To be a bit more explicit - make certain that the keyword "noauth" is
in /etc/ppp/peers/provider.

Also, note that you no longer need to have your
/etc/ppp/peers/provider (which is where the contents of bo's
/etc/ppp.options_out got dumped) all one line.  (In fact, I don't
think you ever needed it all in one line, but now you certainly can
use multiple lines); mine looks like:
# The chatscript (be sure to edit that file too)
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider"
bsdcomp 15 
crtscts 
mru 2000 
mtu 2000 
defaultroute 
noipdefault 
/dev/modem 38400 
modem 
persist
noauth

I find the file much more readable this way; not that it changes too
often, but it just looked messy before.


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Re: faking the hardware address?

[Rick Macdonald]

Nils Rennebarth wrote:

> You could try:
> 1)
> ifconfig eth1 1.2.3.1 pointopoint 1.2.3.2
> route add -host 1.2.3.2 device eth1
> 
> and as the 1.2.3.2 host is a win95 box, that certainly can't handle ethernet
> in pointopoint mode, you need
> 
> arp -s 1.2.3.0  netmask 255.255.255.0 pub
> 
> I never tried that. I don't know if ethx interfaces like to be or may be put
> at all in pointopoint mode. Could make sense however with a twisted Twisted
> pair...

I'll see if I can try this.

> 2)
> (This one needs a few more addresses, but it is clean and will work)
> ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 1.2.3.255
> route add -net 1.2.3.0 device eth0
> 
> ifconfig eth1 1.2.3.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 broadcast 1.2.3.3
> route add -net 1.2.3.0 device eth1
> 
> and on the win95 side set IP address 1.2.3.2, netmask 255.255.255.252 and
> default gateway 1.2.3.1 I hope win95 understands netmasks that are not on
> byte boundaries ... If not, use IP 1.2.3.2, netmask 255.255.255.0,
> default gateway 1.2.3.1 and add
> 
> arp -eth1 -s 1.2.3.0  netmask 255.255.255.0 pub
> 
> as setup command on the linux box.

I do understand this, but now I have to tell you my _actual_ IP
addresses. The ones I used in the example were from the campus scenario.

Unfortunately, the gateway for the cable company is 1.2.3.1, and
my addresses are 1.2.3.244 through 1.2.3.248 inclusive. Does this mess
up the subnetting?

So, here I've reworked what you gave me. I think there is a problem at
the end on the Win95 side.

ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.248 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 1.2.3.255
route add -net 1.2.3.0 device eth0
 
ifconfig eth1 1.2.3.245 netmask 255.255.255.252 broadcast 1.2.3.247
route add -net 1.2.3.244 device eth1
 
and on the win95 side set IP address 1.2.3.246, netmask 255.255.255.252
and
default gateway 1.2.3.245 I hope win95 understands netmasks that are not
on
byte boundaries ... If not, use IP 1.2.3.246, netmask 255.255.255.0,
default gateway 1.2.3.245 and add
 
arp -eth1 -s 1.2.3.244  netmask 255.255.255.0
pub

Should the arp be 1.2.3.244 or 1.2.3.0? Will this work just as well as
your proposed arrangement?

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single user question / problem ?

[shaul]

I was using X, after loging in with XDM when I decided to go to single user 
mode from a VT.

rakefet# telinit s
INIT: going single user
INIT: Sending processes the TERM signal
INIT: Sending processes the KILL signal
give root password for maintenance
(or type Control-D for normal startup):
rakefet#

The point is that all the VTs seemed to be in single user mode. However, X 
seemed to continue working as before. In fact, this message is being sent 
while the VTs are in single user mode.

Is this O.K ?

I am using Debian 1.3.



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Re: Debian...

[Shaleh]

Use the packages Phillip.  You should NEVER have to see or run those
scripts.  Just use dselect, choose the parts you want and wait for the
download.  When it installs it will give you more directions.


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Re: 2.0.33 is no good for lic6-dev ?

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Luiz" == Luiz Otavio L Zorzella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Luiz> Forgive my dumbness... I've been thinking exactly what are the
Luiz> implications of what your're saying. Please correct me if I'm
Luiz> wrong:

Luiz> 1) sndshield, at *compilation time*, greps autoconf.h to guess
Luiz> which kernel version is being used. In my case, since it did not
Luiz> find any at /usr/src/linux/include, it found one at
Luiz> /usr/include, which was a symlink to 2.0.32 headers. This way it
Luiz> thought it was being compiled in a 2.0.32 system.

It depends on whatever is in the directory /usr/src/linux to
 have any connection whatsover with the kernel one is compiling
 for. The kernel itself make no such assumptions. I compile kernel in
 /usr/local/src/kernel. No problems whatsover. 

Luiz> 2) sndshield, at *run time*, does a "uname -a" (or something) to
Luiz> find which kernel version is being run. In my case it found
Luiz> 2.0.33, and threw a mismatch.

Probably (I have not looked at the source to see if this is
 what they are doing)

Luiz> 3) Most important: are you saying that even compiled against
Luiz> 2.0.32 headers, since it was compiled under 2.0.33 it was
Luiz> supposed to run without any problem?

Who says it was compiled with 2.0.32 headers? From what I
 remember, you compiled with cc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.33/include,
 which means it was compiled with 2.0.33. The stupidityis that it knew
 better than you. It knew that the kernel sources are always always in
 /usr/src/linux. 

The correct way to do this is to include linux/version.h and
 compare stuff like LINUX_VERSION_CODE or UTS_RELEASE with whatever
 unmae gives you. There are scores of example of how to do it right,
 without depending on what one has in /usr/src/linux.

Luiz> Question "3" is crutial for what I'm gonna suggest to OSS
Luiz> people. Before you wrote me, I was thinking of suggesting them
Luiz> to "-I" /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` in a debian system...

Using grep in a case like this is evil. Ask them why they
 can't follow what the rest of kernel module writers are doing,
 namely, looking at uname(2), and comparing with LINUX_VERSION_CODE or
 UTS_RELEASE.

manoj

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Re: Debian...

[Phillip Neumann]

Hi 

 Im Phillip Neumann and a new user of (debian) Linux too. I find this 
system MUCH more interesting that Microsoft 
dos or win95. But i have many programs in Win95 that i use every day, so 
now i have 2 OP in my computer. They 
both work perfectly well (thank to linux [lilo]). I´m doing linux about 
2 or 3 days, and now im a little boried, because 
I´ve only the rescue, driver and base diskettes. So i cant do 
interesting thinks with linux. The first interesing thing i 
wanna do, is "changing" my shell to a graphic one. I heared about 
Xfree86, so i download it and try to install it 
(Xfree86 3.3.2). I read the installing readme files but i cant install 
it !!! (yesterday i finish tring at 6:00 am!!!). At this 
moment I´ve done the following things: 
1) Download files (11) 
2) Copy them to /var/tmp 
3) at /usr/X11R6 i put:"sh /var/tmp/preinst.sh" (it sais: file: command 
not found. You appear to have an a.out system. a.out binaries are not 
available 
for this release) 
4) ungzip files ==> gzip -d < /var/tmp/x332.tgz | tar vxf - 
5) running postinstall = > sh /var/tmp/postinst.sh (it do some question, 
i rerspond all yes) [last thing is: running ldconfig and 
then prompt] 
6) put /usr/X11R6 in my path (editing /etc/profile) 
7) adding /usr/X11R6  to   /etc/ls.so.conf 
8) putting /sbin/lsconfig as root  [prompt inmidiatly] 
 

 Im desperade trying to use graphics in Linux. I know the difference 
between dos and linux bourn shell. Now i want to 
compare windows 95 with X Windows. 

Sorry for my enlish andThanks 
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Re:Debian

[Phillip Neumann]

Hi

 Im Phillip Neumann and a new user of (debian) Linux too. I find
this system MUCH more interesting that Microsoft dos or win95. But i have
many programs in Win95 that i use every day, so now i have 2 OP in my computer.
They both work perfectly well (thank to linux [lilo]). I´m doing
linux about 2 or 3 days, and now im a little boried, because I´ve
only the rescue, driver and base diskettes. So i cant do interesting thinks
with linux. The first interesing thing i wanna do, is "changing" my shell
to a graphic one. I heared about Xfree86, so i download it and try to install
it (Xfree86 3.3.2). I read the installing readme files but i cant install
it !!! (yesterday i finish tring at 6:00 am!!!). At this moment I´ve
done the following things:
1) Download files (11)
2) Copy them to /var/tmp
3) at /usr/X11R6 i put:"sh /var/tmp/preinst.sh" (it sais: file:
command not found. You appear to have an a.out system. a.out binaries are
not available for this release)
4) ungzip files ==> gzip -d < /var/tmp/x332.tgz | tar vxf -
5) running postinstall = > sh /var/tmp/postinst.sh (it do some question,
i rerspond all yes) [last thing is: running ldconfig and
then prompt]
6) put /usr/X11R6 in my path (editing /etc/profile)
7) adding /usr/X11R6  to   /etc/ls.so.conf
8) putting /sbin/lsconfig as root  [prompt inmidiatly]
 

 Im desperade trying to use graphics in Linux. I know the difference
between dos and linux bourn shell. Now i want to compare windows 95 with
X Windows.

    Sorry for my enlish and   
Thanks
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Re:Debian

[Phillip Neumann]

Hi

 Im Phillip Neumann and a new user of (debian) Linux too. I find
this system MUCH more interesting that Microsoft dos or win95. But i have
many programs in Win95 that i use every day, so now i have 2 OP in my computer.
They both work perfectly well (thank to linux [lilo]). I´m doing
linux about 2 or 3 days, and now im a little boried, because I´ve
only the rescue, driver and base diskettes. So i cant do interesting thinks
with linux. The first interesing thing i wanna do, is "changing" my shell
to a graphic one. I heared about Xfree86, so i download it and try to install
it (Xfree86 3.3.2). I read the installing readme files but i cant install
it !!! (yesterday i finish tring at 6:00 am!!!). At this moment I´ve
done the following things:
1) Download files (11)
2) Copy them to /var/tmp
3) at /usr/X11R6 i put:"sh /var/tmp/preinst.sh" (it sais: file:
command not found. You appear to have an a.out system. a.out binaries are
not available for this release)
4) ungzip files ==> gzip -d < /var/tmp/x332.tgz | tar vxf -
5) running postinstall = > sh /var/tmp/postinst.sh (it do some question,
i rerspond all yes) [last thing is: running ldconfig and
then prompt]
6) put /usr/X11R6 in my path (editing /etc/profile)
7) adding /usr/X11R6  to   /etc/ls.so.conf
8) putting /sbin/lsconfig as root  [prompt inmidiatly]
 

 Im desperade trying to use graphics in Linux. I know the difference
between dos and linux bourn shell. Now i want to compare windows 95 with
X Windows.

    Sorry for my enlish and   
Thanks
    [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: 2.0.33 is no good for lic6-dev ?

[Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella]

Manoj Srivastava writes:
 > Hi,
 > >>"Luiz" == Luiz Otavio L Zorzella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 > 
 > Luiz> I wish to send a mail to the OSS tech support about this
 > Luiz> situation with debian. Is there anything you think I should
 > Luiz> suggest to fix the problem in a clean way (all the dists,
 > Luiz> including Debian)?
 > 
 >  Yes. Tell them not to use grep. There are ways to include a
 >  linux header to tell what kernel version is being used (if they do
 >  not know what I mean, tell them to look at the sources of modules in
 >  the kernel to determine how to do that). At run time, they can call
 >  uname. Using grep and trying to second guess the installation about
 >  whivh headers were used is evil, and shoddy software practice.
 >

Forgive my dumbness... I've been thinking exactly what are the
implications of what your're saying. Please correct me if I'm wrong:

1) sndshield, at *compilation time*, greps autoconf.h to guess which
kernel version is being used. In my case, since it did not find any at
/usr/src/linux/include, it found one at /usr/include, which was a
symlink to 2.0.32 headers. This way it thought it was being compiled
in a 2.0.32 system.

2) sndshield, at *run time*, does a "uname -a" (or something) to find
which kernel version is being run. In my case it found 2.0.33, and
threw a mismatch.

3) Most important: are you saying that even compiled against 2.0.32
headers, since it was compiled under 2.0.33 it was supposed to run
without any problem?

Question "3" is crutial for what I'm gonna suggest to OSS
people. Before you wrote me, I was thinking of suggesting them to "-I"
/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` in a debian system...

Thanks a lot for the support.

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Re: Additional resourrces on hylafax

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Eloy" == Eloy A Paris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Eloy> Did you e-mail the HylaFAX maintainer? He's always willing to
Eloy> improve his package. I use it and is very nice.

I agree. But you see, in this case, people had already
 presented the error to the author, (possibly zillions of times), and
 there wasw indeed a fix available. It is just so hard to find. 

I hate bothering the author for stuff like this (which is why
 I have been trying so hard to reach a solution without bothering
 him).  I just want the soluto=io documented for other US robotics
 owners using Debian.

manoj
 The URLs, again, are:
 http://www.trump.net.au/~rjc/hylafax/usr.html
 http://www.elgro.demon.co.uk/resources.html
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Re: faking the hardware address?

[Nils Rennebarth]

On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 10:25:06PM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> Nils, I'm trying to do the _exact_ same thing, except instead of PPP I
> have two ethernet interfaces.
And that makes all the difference because ethernet is a broadcast network
not point to point as for PPP. See below.

> I believe my setup is correct and I believe that it doesn't work
> because the "campus network" in my case is a cable modem and the cable
> company hasn't properly set me up to use the 5 static IP addresses that
> they have given me to use.
> 
> I actually just need three IP's: two for my ethernet cards and one for
> the machine on the local lan.
> 
> Here I've numbered my IPs just like your campus example, but I've added
> the third address, 1.2.3.3, for my second ethernet card (for my local
> lan) where the other fellow is using PPP.
> 
> If you don't mind eyeballing this, I'd be very grateful!
> 
> #eth0 is the cable modem side. The hardware address in the arp
> #command is the one from my eth0 interface (the cable modem side).
> 

> #  configure the IP address, netmask and broadcast address.
> /sbin/ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 1.2.3.255
> # add a network route to point to it:
> /sbin/route add -net 1.2.3.0 device eth0
> # Add a default route. 
> /sbin/route add default gw 1.2.3.254
ok so far.

> arp -s 1.2.3.2 00:10:4B:1E:A4:1B pub
This is ok too. but see option 2) below

> # eth1 is the Win95 local lan side:
> 
> /sbin/ifconfig eth1 1.2.3.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 1.2.3.255
This won't work.

you have two devices (eth0 and eth1) both with the same network (1.2.3.0)
and the same netmask. The kernel can't know where to put the packages.

You could try:
1)
ifconfig eth1 1.2.3.1 pointopoint 1.2.3.2
route add -host 1.2.3.2 device eth1

and as the 1.2.3.2 host is a win95 box, that certainly can't handle ethernet
in pointopoint mode, you need

arp -s 1.2.3.0  netmask 255.255.255.0 pub


I never tried that. I don't know if ethx interfaces like to be or may be put
at all in pointopoint mode. Could make sense however with a twisted Twisted
pair...

2)
(This one needs a few more addresses, but it is clean and will work)
ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 1.2.3.255
route add -net 1.2.3.0 device eth0

ifconfig eth1 1.2.3.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 broadcast 1.2.3.3
route add -net 1.2.3.0 device eth1

and on the win95 side set IP address 1.2.3.2, netmask 255.255.255.252 and
default gateway 1.2.3.1 I hope win95 understands netmasks that are not on
byte boundaries ... If not, use IP 1.2.3.2, netmask 255.255.255.0,
default gateway 1.2.3.1 and add 

arp -eth1 -s 1.2.3.0  netmask 255.255.255.0 pub

as setup command on the linux box.

Nils

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Re: module net-pf-5???

[Shaleh]

It is appletalk.  Add a alias net-pf-5 off line to your modules conf
file.  I had a similar problem.
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module net-pf-5???

[Paul Miller]

I keep getting messages about not finding the net-pf-5 module.. what is
this module and what does it do?  If I don't need it, how can I get rid of
the error messages?

May 16 13:13:11 serv1 modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-5

Thanks
-Paul


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Installation problem

[Carl Flippin]

I couldn't find any mention of it in the FAQs so I'm asking here:

Is there any way to install Linux from a fat32 partition?


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TEX mailing list

[Lazar Fleysher]

Hi

Could someone tell me the tex mailing list, please,

ZORO


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Re: floppy woes

[Bob Nielsen]

On Sat, 16 May 1998, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:

> Lindsay Allen wrote:
> > I wrote:
> > > 
> > > Question: is there a way to hard-reset the floppy drive and driver
> > > under linux, without rebooting?
> > 
> > I just take the disk out.
> 
> So do I, but it doesn't seem to convince the drive that he can start
> over again :(.

I had this happen to me once.  It turned out one of the connectors on
the ribbon cable from the floppy drive to the motherboard was loose and
the "disk change" signal wasn't making it through.

Bob


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Re: informing a user community

[jdassen]

On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 11:39:21AM -0400, G. Kaplan wrote:
> It seems to me , new user, that the use of chat rooms would be a means
> to more rapidly distributing the knowledge one need to be successful in
> using Linux in general and Debian in particular.

There's a #debian IRC channel on the openprojects servers
(use irc.debian.org, or see http://www.openprojects.net).

There are numerous other IRC channels about Linux and Open Source,
see e.g.
http://www.linuxhelp.org/
http://slashdot.org/articles/9804112116257.shtml

For an introduction to IRC, check out http://www.irchelp.org/ or the FAQs.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: Fwd: Re: dselect oddities

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 09:34:22PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Sat, 16 May 1998 10:40:23 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> 
> >We are all volunteers here. Generally speaking, constructive criticism
> >is welcome -- unconstructive criticism just makes people leave the project.
> 
> Exactly.  I have been giving constructive critism and in return I have

Perhaps I am being too sensitive, but with all due respect I do not find
it constructive to say to that something is just plain unacceptable.
Instead, it would be better to say that you would prefer it another way
(or an option to do so) and could this be implemented in a future release?
With careful wording you can get people on your side and get what
you want; otherwise, people can get upset.



thanks,
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Re: informing a user community

[Shaleh]

There is currently a #debian and a #linpeople on irc.linpeople.org et.
al.  The problem with what you propose is that it requires people there
to discuss.  International issues and all.  I would much rather see
someone make a site dedicated to helping newbies with well written docs
and then advertising this page in neon flashing lights so the world
knows it is there.  Also, a volunteer effort has started at
support.marko.net to have public tech support for linux issues.  So far
we have answered "how do I set up a winmodem", "how do i setup virtual
server email address", "resizing my ext2 partition" and a few others. 
Everything from the newbie to the complex.  There are currently 100
techs involved.  Also, if you dig through this list's archives just
about everything is answered somewhere.  The problem is finding it.

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RE: informing a user community

[Darren]

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> using Linux in general and Debian in particular. What I would like to
> suggest the maintenance of a site where one could find a table of topics
> of interest ;and a time and channel were that topic could be openly
> discussed by interested parties. I could like feed back as to whether or
> not the following is feasible and if there is sufficient interest.  A
> table that could updated by visitor to a scheduling site where a table
> could show 1.) topic of interest 2.) potential schedule for discussion
> 3.) count of parties that have shown an interest in participating at the
> time and place indicated. 4.) e-mail notification when a schedule has
> been fixed.  Does this make sense to anyone? Is it feasible?

You would still have to have a way of getting that same informmation to Debian
users that were weren't at the chat channel for one reason or another.
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informing a user community

[G. Kaplan]

It seems to me , new user, that the use of chat rooms would be a means
to more rapidly distributing the knowledge one need to be successful in
using Linux in general and Debian in particular. What I would like to
suggest the maintenance of a site where one could find a table of topics
of interest ;and a time and channel were that topic could be openly
discussed by interested parties. I could like feed back as to whether or
not the following is feasible and if there is sufficient interest.  A
table that could updated by visitor to a scheduling site where a table
could show 1.) topic of interest 2.) potential schedule for discussion
3.) count of parties that have shown an interest in participating at the
time and place indicated. 4.) e-mail notification when a schedule has
been fixed.  Does this make sense to anyone? Is it feasible?


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Re: dselect oddities

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 09:32:48PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> The beef is that you're arguing with me because the default happens to
> suit you and you don't see where the problem is with marking things to be
> held yet if the situation were reversed, where you would have to constantly
> mark things to be upgraded, you would find it unacceptable.

Two points. Firstly, if you're running the stable distribution, then
there should be very few packages to upgrade ever. If there are packages
to upgrade, it means they are important fixes and you should install
them. If you're running unstable, then you should either be tracking
it properly (ie keep it up to date), or know how to use dpkg at the
command line. 

If you're running rex and want to run parts of bo
without upgrading everything, for example, then use the dpkg command line.
Or use apt-get, which can install a package and all its dependencies
without upgrading everything.

In short, use the dpkg command line. The behaviour if dpkg, even if
it isn't what you want exactly, works and is consistent. dpkg can
do what you want.


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reseting keyboard LEDs after use of bl

[Paul Miller]

After I use 'bl' (blinks keyboard LEDs), how can reset the LEDs so I can
see the status of num, caps, and scroll lock?

Thanks
-Paul


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Re: applixware

[Paul Miller]

Did you install applixware as the rpms or apply the Debian patches?

hmm..  Well, I still have the problem with rhmask

-Paul

On Sat, 16 May 1998, Greg Norris wrote:

> I've got Applixware 4.3.7 installed sucessfully on a bo system.  In my
> case, however, it was a new installation of the product, rather than an
> upgrade.  So I didn't have to worry about rhmask...
> 
> On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 05:33:39AM -0400, Paul Miller wrote:
> > 
> > Anyone have Applixware 4.3.7 installed on a Debian system?  I'm having
> > trouble upgrading from 4.3 to 4.3.7 using RedHat's rpmmask files..  I
> > tried copying the rhmask program from RedHat, but it doesn't work for some
> > reason...  Any ideas?
> 


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bo box FOUND for security X build

[Branden Robinson]

I have located a bo box for use in making a security release of X for
the stable distribution.  Many thanks to Harald Schueler, who came up
with the "winning box". Thanks also to Brad, Gregory Dickinson, Alain
Toussaint, and Florian Hinzmann for making generous offers as well.

I feel bad for starting a kind of hardware bidding war to win the dubious
honor of having an X compile on your machine.  If X weren't such a monster
(see the X Strike Force page, 
for some data on just how beastly it is), I would have been able to carry
out this search with greater discretion.  But as people with some older
hardware have told me, compiling X can literally be a matter of *days*.

Barring some unforseen problem, a security release of X for bo will happen
on Monday.  Note that this will *only* be an application of XFree86's
patches to xterm and libXaw in bo's current version of X, and not an
upgrade to the hamm version.

Also, for those of who don't know about it and would like to help in the
care and feeding of X, see the aforementioned X Strike Force page, where I
ask for assistance with certain X issues and attempt to keep people up to
speed on what I am doing the package, known problems, recent solutions, et
cetera.

My apologies to bo users for not having a security release of X out
sooner.  An "official" Debian machine that tracks the stable release is
a priority and will hopefully happen soon, making scenarios like this
one much less difficult to address.

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Re: pppd 2.3.5: "peer refused to authenticate" problem

[Shaleh]

The answer is easy.  The new ppp's set auth "on" by default.  They did
not use to do so.  Edit the provider script and add "noauth" near the
end.  All will be happy.


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Re: applixware

[Greg Norris]

I've got Applixware 4.3.7 installed sucessfully on a bo system.  In my
case, however, it was a new installation of the product, rather than an
upgrade.  So I didn't have to worry about rhmask...

On Sat, May 16, 1998 at 05:33:39AM -0400, Paul Miller wrote:
> 
> Anyone have Applixware 4.3.7 installed on a Debian system?  I'm having
> trouble upgrading from 4.3 to 4.3.7 using RedHat's rpmmask files..  I
> tried copying the rhmask program from RedHat, but it doesn't work for some
> reason...  Any ideas?


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IPX broken in ppp-2.3.5?

[Eloy A. Paris]

Hi,

I'm using the laster version of ppp in Hamm (2.3.5-0.1) and am having
problems to get IPX configured properly when stablishing the PPP
session. I get an error about an unsupported protocol:

[...]
May 16 09:24:38 zeus pppd[18865]: user eparis logged in
May 16 09:24:38 zeus pppd[18865]: sent [PAP AuthAck id=0x1 "Login ok"]
May 16 09:24:38 zeus pppd[18865]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  ]
May 16 09:24:38 zeus pppd[18865]: rcvd [IPXCP ConfReq id=0x1   < 03 06 00 02 0f 01>  ]
May 16 09:24:38 zeus pppd[18865]: Unsupported protocol (0x802b) received
  
May 16 09:24:38 zeus pppd[18865]: sent [LCP ProtRej id=0x2 80 2b 01 01
00 1e 01 06 00 00 00 00 02 08 00 61 6e 8e 53 5d 03 06 00 02 0f 01 04 04 00
00 06 02]
May 16 09:24:38 zeus pppd[18865]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   
]
[...]

Does anyone know what's this procotol 0x802b and how can I make IPX
work again? ppp-2.2.3 (the version in Bo) worked fine with IPX, but
since I upgraded to Hamm (ppp-2.3.x) I have been unable to use IPX
over PPP.

Any hint will be appreciated :-)

Thanks,

E.-

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Re: Additional resourrces on hylafax

[Eloy A. Paris]

Did you e-mail the HylaFAX maintainer? He's always willing to improve
his package. I use it and is very nice.

See ya!

E.-

Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi,

:   I was at my wits end, trying to get this USRobotics sportster
:  modem to work while sending out faxes. It failed with "Unspecified
:  Transmit Phase B Error". Well, Drudging through the mailing list
:  archive, I came across this little reference to the following:
:  http://www.elgro.demon.co.uk/resources.html, which is a cool set of
:  hylafax resources. 

:   Well, lo and behold, that had a reference to
:   http://www.trump.net.au/~rjc/hylafax/usr.html, which is a page for
:   US Robotics users for Hylafax

:   That page had the solution I needed.

:   I include it here for the edification of people. (I spen
:  months procrastinating getting my fax stuff fixed, and then an
:  frustrating week digging this out; I was at the point of throwing my
:  modem out of the window and buying a new, supported modem).

:   Can we have it included in the Debian Hylafax package? Or at
:  least the pointers to the two URLs mentioned here?  This information
:  was too hard to find. 

:   manoj

: http://www.trump.net.au/~rjc/hylafax/usr.html 
: __
: The USR Hylafax Page

:   

: This page is dedicated to the problems getting the USR modems particularly
: the Sportster to work with Hylafax.

: The Problem

: For USR modems in particular look for a high rate of the dreaded

:  "Unspecified Transmit Phase B Error"

: Quite often it is accompanied by

:  "But the modem faxes fine under Windows..."

: Whats a Phase B Error?

: Heres a quote from Sam Leffler the principal author of Hylafax

:  "Phase B is point in the fax protocol where the sender+receiver
:  first exchange digital information (e.g. each other's
:  capabilities). Since the error code is uninformative the real
:  reason for the failure is anyone's guess. If the problem is
:  repeatable then you've probably got a firmware problem. If not,
:  then it's likely a line condition problem."

:  Sam Leffler

: Repeatable...you better believe it!!!

: Firstly Diagnosing Your Modem

: Firstly get information about the modem you purchased. Connect directly to
: thte serial port using cu, tip, kermit etc

: ie If your running Linux and you have the modem connected
: to /dev/ttyS2(DOS COM3)
: #cu -l ttyS2
: at
: OK
: ati7
: Configuration Profile...

: Product type   Australia External
: OptionsV32bis,V.FC,V.34+
: Fax OptionsClass 1/Class 2.0
: Clock Freq 92.0Mhz
: Eprom  256k
: Ram64k

: EPROM date 6/6/96
: DSP date   6/6/96

: EPROM rev  2.0
: DSP rev2.0

: OK
: ~.
: [Disconnected]
: #

: Here is a script to help analyse the reliability of your modem(s):

:* errorstats

: To run type

: ./errorstats /var/spool/fax/etc/xferlog

: The script analyses the xferlog file, substitute the appropriate location if
: different from /var/spool/fax/etc

: The output shows the failed fax transmissions by modem. Look particularly at
: the number of Transmit Phase B errors.

: Which modems are affected?

: Transmit phase B errors seem to occur to some extent in all USR modems, this
: is not always USR's fault. Quite often if your connecting to another
: (cheap)fax modem or a line with multiple devices on it(ie answering machine)
: or you have a bad line a Phase B error can easily occur.

: If you suspect your modem is faulty make sure beforehand you try sending
: faxes to a variety of machines and on different phone lines to ensure its
: the modem at fault not external conditions.

: OK, now thats clear...

: It seems that in late 1995 through 1996 US Robotics shipped a whole bunch of
: Sportsters modems with faulty firmware. If the modem is setup with hardware
: flow control in fax class 2.0 it becomes extremely difficult to send
: facsimiles without Transmit Phase B errors.

: The modems can be divided into 3 categories

:* Modems up until mid to late 1995
:  These modems should work without alteration with the standard hylafax
:  installation scripts

:  Here is a typical entry for one such modem

:  Product type   US/Canada External
:  OptionsV32bis,V.FC,V.34
:  Fax OptionsClass 1/Class 2.0
:  Clock Freq 20.16Mhz
:  Eprom  256k
:  Ram32k

:  Supervisor date04/18/95
:  DSP date   03/31/95

Re: Fwd: Re: dselect oddities

[E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)]

> 
> On Sat, 16 May 1998 10:40:23 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> 
> >We are all volunteers here. Generally speaking, constructive criticism
> >is welcome -- unconstructive criticism just makes people leave the project.
> 
> Exactly.  I have been giving constructive critism and in return I have
> been getting a flippant attitude of "It isn't that many ketstrokes."  In
> fact, one person has said that if the situation were reverse he(?)'d find it
> unacceptable yet is asking that I find it acceptable that I must do what he
> would not if things were reversed.

I think there are two things to be said about this that have not been
mentioned (I think).

1) If all you want to do is upgrade a few packages, dpkg is your
   friend:  `dpkg --install .deb' is much quicker than running
   dselect.

2) The interface of dselect is known to be a bit klunky (by which I
   mean: not so intuitive).  That is why an alternative, `apt' is in the
   works.  As far as I know it will be available somewhere in debian2.1.
   It might be a better idea for people to put their energy in that
   project than to improve on the practically dead corpse that dselect is.

Eric

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Re: Block device name by dselect-program (ACCESS)

[E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)]

> 
> 
> Please help me !!! 
> 
> I am very interesting on installing of Debian 1.3.1. (r.6) 
> 
> By dselect-program, by ACCESS, is the question: INSERT THE CD-ROM AND 
> ENTER THE BLOCK DEVICE NAME. What I must answer? I see, my cd-rom isn not 
> yet installed (i can open). My cd-rom is the new LG (iso9660) and is as=
>  secound on 
> secondary slot. 
> Can you send me short infor on my e-mail   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ? 

I guess that should be /dev/hdd.  If this doesn't work, try /dev/hdc or
/dev/hdb.

HTH,

Eric

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Re: floppy woes

[E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)]

Lindsay Allen wrote:
> I wrote:
> > 
> > Question: is there a way to hard-reset the floppy drive and driver
> > under linux, without rebooting?
> 
> I just take the disk out.

So do I, but it doesn't seem to convince the drive that he can start
over again :(.

Eric

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Re: need Libtermcap.so.2

[jdassen]

On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 03:19:01PM -0400, dave oswald wrote:
>  need   Libtermcap.so.2

Package: termcap-compat
Priority: extra
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 565
Maintainer: Christian Hudon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: i386
Version: 1.1.1
Replaces: libtermcap
Depends: libc5 (>= 5.4.0-0)
Conflicts: libtermcap
Filename: dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/admin/termcap-compat_1.1.1.deb
Size: 191930
MD5sum: 34cdacc19f9d700353fd5b2d64687938
Description: Compatibility package for old termcap-based programs.
 The termcap-compat package provides the libtermcap.so.2 and /etc/termcap
 files which are required to run non-Debian, binary-only termcap-based
 programs. Since libc6-based programs are hopefully "modern" enough to be
 linked with ncurses (or slang), this package only provides a libc5-based
 libtermcap library.
 .
 You do not need to install this package to run Debian-packaged programs
 since Debian GNU/Linux uses terminfo and not termcap. You need this
 package if a program (that you cannot recompile) fails to run with
 the error message "...: can't load library 'libtermcap.so.2'" or complains
 about a missing /etc/termcap file.
 .
 The termcap-compat package isn't meant to be used to compile programs
 therefore it doesn't provide all the necesary files for compilation. If you
 want to compile a program that claims to need termcap, why not try
 ncurses's termcap emulation instead? It's as simple as linking with ncurses
 instead of libtermcap (i.e. replace the '-ltermcap' with '-lncurses' in
 the makefile). Ncurses' termcap emulation routines translate terminfo entries
 to termcap entries on the fly, so you don't even need an /etc/termcap file.
 .
 This package provides:
  libtermcap.so shared library, version 2.0.8
  termcap database, version 9.13.25

> Please resond to [EMAIL PROTECTED], in addition to the list.

Please use the Reply-To header to specify an alternate reply address.

HTH,
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Re: pppd 2.3.5: "peer refused to authenticate" problem

[Martin Bialasinski]

> "OL" == Oskar Liljeblad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

OL> May 16 12:41:53 oskar pppd[171]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
OL>]
^^

You tell your ISP to identify himself via PAP. He doesn't do this and
terminates the connection.

Remove the "require-pap" or "+pap" option.

Ciao,
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Re: Totally off-subject ( And now for something Completely diffe

[Orn E. Hansen]

Þann 16-May-98 skrifar [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
>>Now I can't remember where I found it and EVERYONE is
>> looking for it from Me?!?! 
> 
> um well..add me to the list...if you do happen to find it...let me know
> where!
> 
  I have it here, if you guys want it...

  I got it from the cnn site, somewhere in TECH... don't remember quite
where.  Maybe George Bonser remembers, George, you remember the pointer?


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pppd 2.3.5: "peer refused to authenticate" problem

[Oskar Liljeblad]

I recently installed pppd 2.3.5 from a Debian package. I kept the old ppp
up/chatscript etc files,
and when running pppd to connect to my ISP I get the error message "peer
refused to authenticate"
and the modem disconnects. The debug output is below.

The ppp up and chatscript files are configured to require pap authentication
only, pap-secrets
contains one line, "username * password", and the user parameter is used
when running pppd.
It worked fine before I installed pppd 2.3.5.

I'm running Debian 1.3.1r6 upgraded to kernel 2.0.33 and libc6.

May 16 12:41:25 oskar pppd[171]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
May 16 12:41:26 oskar chat[173]: timeout set to 5 seconds
May 16 12:41:26 oskar chat[173]: send (ATZ^M)
May 16 12:41:26 oskar chat[173]: expect (OK)
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]: ATZ^M^M
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]: OK
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]:  -- got it
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]: send (ATDT6004960^M)
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]: abort on (BUSY)
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]: abort on (WAITING)
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]: timeout set to 45 seconds
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]: expect (CONNECT)
May 16 12:41:27 oskar chat[173]: ^M
May 16 12:41:52 oskar chat[173]: ATDT6004960^M^M
May 16 12:41:52 oskar chat[173]: CONNECT
May 16 12:41:52 oskar chat[173]:  -- got it
May 16 12:41:52 oskar chat[173]: send (^M)
May 16 12:41:52 oskar pppd[171]: Serial connection established.
May 16 12:41:53 oskar pppd[171]: Using interface ppp0
May 16 12:41:53 oskar pppd[171]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
May 16 12:41:53 oskar pppd[171]: Warning - secret file /etc/ppp/pap-secrets
has world and/or group access
May 16 12:41:53 oskar pppd[171]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
May 16 12:41:56 oskar pppd[171]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0xdd ]
May 16 12:41:56 oskar pppd[171]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0xdd ]
May 16 12:41:56 oskar pppd[171]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
May 16 12:41:56 oskar pppd[171]: rcvd [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 ]
May 16 12:41:56 oskar pppd[171]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 
  ]
May 16 12:41:59 oskar pppd[171]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 
  ]
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 
  ]
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 magic=0x7f7f]
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: Warning - secret file /etc/ppp/pap-secrets
has world and/or group access
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: peer refused to authenticate
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "peer refused to
authenticate"]
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0xde ]
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 
  ]
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0xdf ]
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x3]
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: Connection terminated.
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
May 16 12:42:02 oskar pppd[171]: Exit.

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Re: Star-Office 4.0

[Martin Bialasinski]

> "AS" == Adam Shand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> get ftp://134.95.210.54/pub/AutoMultiUserSetupForSO40Linux.tar.gz as this
AS> ah, that's where it is.  i'd heard such a thing existed.  thanks.

Well, it is just my copy. I just found the original site in my bookmarks:
   http://www.on-line.de/~michael.hoennig/SO40.html
This Site is in german, hopefully you (or the altavista translator) can
understand it. 

>> The installation itself is flawlessly.

AS> in my experience, not quite.  if you install it into a shared directory
AS> (eg. /usr/local/staroffice) i does not work properly.  it will seg fault
AS> within a minute of being run, every time.

Maybe some kind of autosave?

AS> this is a permissions problem of some sort as a:

AS> chown -R myusername /usr/local/staroffice

AS> fixed it.  also if you install star office into a directory under your
AS> home directory it seems to work fine first time (eg.
AS> ~myusername/.staroffice).

This is how I did it (from memory):

Extracted the tarball, installed with -net option into /opt (the "patch"
needs it there, although you could edit the patch).

Extracted the patch and installed it like the README said.

Started /opt/StarOffice4/bin/soffice. It checked that I didn't have a
~/.sofficerc and copied some files to my ~ ( a tenth of the files it would 
copy without the patch).

No problems whatsoever.

If you want to try this, make sure, you don't have a ~/.sofficerc

Good Luck,
Martin


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Block device name by dselect-program (ACCESS)

[A. Nowakowski]

Please help me !!!

I am very interesting on installing of Debian 1.3.1. (r.6)

By dselect-program, by ACCESS, is the question: INSERT THE CD-ROM AND
ENTER THE BLOCK DEVICE NAME. What I must answer? I see, my cd-rom isn not
yet installed (i can open). My cd-rom is the new LG (iso9660) and is as secound 
on
secondary slot.
Can you send me short infor on my e-mail   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ?


A. Nowakowski


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Block device name by dselect-program (ACCESS)

[A. Nowakowski]

Please help me !!!

I am very interesting on installing of Debian 1.3.1. (r.6)

By dselect-program, by ACCESS, is the question: INSERT THE CD-ROM AND
ENTER THE BLOCK DEVICE NAME. What I must answer? I see, my cd-rom isn not
yet installed (i can open). My cd-rom is the new LG (iso9660) and is as secound 
on
secondary slot.
Can you send me short infor on my e-mail   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ?


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[OFF TOPIC]: weird cpu statistics w/ x11amp

[Paul Miller]

Anyone used x11amp before?  Top seems to be reporting odd cpu statistics. 
Look at the table below.  Both programs were ran on the same system, one
before upgrading to a pentium-200mmx chip, and the other after.

program cyrix-166+  pentium-200mmx
mpg123  40% 10%
x11amp  80% 4%

(for x11amp, cpu percent is the sum of the two processes.)

Does this make any sense?  x11amp is configured to run in 'real time'
mode..  would that avoid the cpu statistics?  The percent idle is around
97% percent with x11amp & my new pentium-200mmx chip.

Strange?

-Paul


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applixware

[Paul Miller]

Anyone have Applixware 4.3.7 installed on a Debian system?  I'm having
trouble upgrading from 4.3 to 4.3.7 using RedHat's rpmmask files..  I
tried copying the rhmask program from RedHat, but it doesn't work for some
reason...  Any ideas?

Thanks
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Re: Totally off-subject ( And now for something Completely different)

[Martin Bialasinski]

> "RJC" == Rev Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

RJC> On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 09:54:57PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >Now I can't remember where I found it and EVERYONE is
>> > looking for it from Me?!?! 
>> 
>> um well..add me to the list...if you do happen to find it...let me know
>> where!

RJC> www.linux-howto.com has it.

Or you can do a ftpsearch on gates.30.240.mov

Ciao,
Martin


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Re: Smail, Majordomo mkaliases Problem???

[Martin Bialasinski]

> "MN" == Mike Nachlinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MN> I'm having problems with majordomo & mail due to an alias problem.
MN> If I run mkaliases /etc/aliases it returns;
MN> /usr/sbin/mkaliases: unknown file type , , for /etc/aliases.
MN> I reinstalled smail to get a default aliases file and the same

With smail, you don't have to run mkaliases (as long as you don't use a
dbm, I believe). But I decided to fix this anyway, so that I don't get
these errors, when other programms run it.

Change make this fix to your /usr/sbin/mkaliases :

# XXX FIXME!!!  this should be derived from current configuration
#
ALIASES_TYPE='lsearch'
  ^^^

Ciao,
Martin


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Additional resourrces on hylafax

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

I was at my wits end, trying to get this USRobotics sportster
 modem to work while sending out faxes. It failed with "Unspecified
 Transmit Phase B Error". Well, Drudging through the mailing list
 archive, I came across this little reference to the following:
 http://www.elgro.demon.co.uk/resources.html, which is a cool set of
 hylafax resources. 

Well, lo and behold, that had a reference to
  http://www.trump.net.au/~rjc/hylafax/usr.html, which is a page for
  US Robotics users for Hylafax

That page had the solution I needed.

I include it here for the edification of people. (I spen
 months procrastinating getting my fax stuff fixed, and then an
 frustrating week digging this out; I was at the point of throwing my
 modem out of the window and buying a new, supported modem).

Can we have it included in the Debian Hylafax package? Or at
 least the pointers to the two URLs mentioned here?  This information
 was too hard to find. 

manoj

http://www.trump.net.au/~rjc/hylafax/usr.html 
__
The USR Hylafax Page

  

This page is dedicated to the problems getting the USR modems particularly
the Sportster to work with Hylafax.

The Problem

For USR modems in particular look for a high rate of the dreaded

 "Unspecified Transmit Phase B Error"

Quite often it is accompanied by

 "But the modem faxes fine under Windows..."

Whats a Phase B Error?

Heres a quote from Sam Leffler the principal author of Hylafax

 "Phase B is point in the fax protocol where the sender+receiver
 first exchange digital information (e.g. each other's
 capabilities). Since the error code is uninformative the real
 reason for the failure is anyone's guess. If the problem is
 repeatable then you've probably got a firmware problem. If not,
 then it's likely a line condition problem."

 Sam Leffler

Repeatable...you better believe it!!!

Firstly Diagnosing Your Modem

Firstly get information about the modem you purchased. Connect directly to
thte serial port using cu, tip, kermit etc

ie If your running Linux and you have the modem connected
to /dev/ttyS2(DOS COM3)
#cu -l ttyS2
at
OK
ati7
Configuration Profile...

Product type   Australia External
OptionsV32bis,V.FC,V.34+
Fax OptionsClass 1/Class 2.0
Clock Freq 92.0Mhz
Eprom  256k
Ram64k

EPROM date 6/6/96
DSP date   6/6/96

EPROM rev  2.0
DSP rev2.0

OK
~.
[Disconnected]
#

Here is a script to help analyse the reliability of your modem(s):

   * errorstats

To run type

./errorstats /var/spool/fax/etc/xferlog

The script analyses the xferlog file, substitute the appropriate location if
different from /var/spool/fax/etc

The output shows the failed fax transmissions by modem. Look particularly at
the number of Transmit Phase B errors.

Which modems are affected?

Transmit phase B errors seem to occur to some extent in all USR modems, this
is not always USR's fault. Quite often if your connecting to another
(cheap)fax modem or a line with multiple devices on it(ie answering machine)
or you have a bad line a Phase B error can easily occur.

If you suspect your modem is faulty make sure beforehand you try sending
faxes to a variety of machines and on different phone lines to ensure its
the modem at fault not external conditions.

OK, now thats clear...

It seems that in late 1995 through 1996 US Robotics shipped a whole bunch of
Sportsters modems with faulty firmware. If the modem is setup with hardware
flow control in fax class 2.0 it becomes extremely difficult to send
facsimiles without Transmit Phase B errors.

The modems can be divided into 3 categories

   * Modems up until mid to late 1995
 These modems should work without alteration with the standard hylafax
 installation scripts

 Here is a typical entry for one such modem

 Product type   US/Canada External
 OptionsV32bis,V.FC,V.34
 Fax OptionsClass 1/Class 2.0
 Clock Freq 20.16Mhz
 Eprom  256k
 Ram32k

 Supervisor date04/18/95
 DSP date   03/31/95

 Supervisor rev 6.0.5
 DSP rev1.0.9

   * Modems with 1996 Firmware
 These modems have particular problems sending facsimiles in class 2.0

 Here is a typical entry for one such modem

 Product type   US/Canada External
 OptionsV32bis,V.FC,V.34+
   

Re: Totally off-subject ( And now for something Completely different)

[Rev. Joseph Carter]

On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 09:54:57PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Now I can't remember where I found it and EVERYONE is
> > looking for it from Me?!?! 
> 
> um well..add me to the list...if you do happen to find it...let me know where!

www.linux-howto.com has it.



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Re: dselect oddities

[srivasta]

Hi,

Yes. See, in the current system, I have to manually go and put
 on hold all packages I do _not_ want updated. In the reverse system,
 you have to go and manually mark alll packages you _do_ want updated
 (whether new, or old packages you feel need updating).

These systems are exactly symmetrical. 

In order to get this reversed system, you have to explicitly
 take two actions _every time_ you run dselect. Though not ideal, it
 is a reasonable work around. In order to get this feature into dpkg,
 please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with the first three
 line of the *Body* of the message being:
__
Package: dpkg
Version: 1.4.0.22
Severity: wishlist
__

Please changes the version to the version you have on the
 machine. After that, enter your feature request; this is the correct
 way of getting the request to the developers in charge of the
 package. 

If you have the Debian package bug; then this can be as easy
 as saying:
 % bug dpkg
 And bug shall set up a file to be edited (remember to put in the line
 Severity: wishlist)

manoj

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Re: dselect oddities

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Steve" == Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Steve> On 16 May 1998 00:20:33 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Now, you have to mark packages you want to upgrade. Tell me again,
>> how reversing the default would be any different?

Steve> I add a new package.  All of a sudden I have to mark that
Steve> package (or section) for hold again.  I add another package, I
Steve> have to mark it again.  I add another package, I must, again,
Steve> mark it held.

What do you  mean, you add a package? I run dselect update;
 dselect select. There are a bunch of packages that are new. There a
 re a bunch of packages that are updated.

 The first time you do this: 
 0) Move cursor to line that says: Up to date installed packages hit =

You just need to do this *once*. The following steps are
 recurring ones.

 1) Move cursor to line that says: New Packages. Hit =
 2)  Move cursor to line that says: Updated packages (newer version is
 available) Hit =

Steve> That is not two operations.

See? precisely two operations.

>> show any possible means where you do not have to mark packages for
>> upgrade? (In the current method, you have to mark packages to hold
>> them; I shpowed how to reverse the default in two ops).

Steve> Not two operations.  Two operations for the current set of
Steve> packages.

Huh? Every tiem you run select, you only have to do step
 1. Step 2 may or may not be needed, but do it just to be safe. 

>> Two ops get you the reverse default already. And, anyway, as I
>> said, the authors shall gladly accept valid patches.

Steve> Too bad I can't program, huh?

Well, you should either be able to program, or be polite. The
 developers are not serfs, you know. We do not have to take rudeness
 (and yess, in my opinion, you were rude and demanding. Ans so was I
 in response. I apologize for not being polite to percieved rudeness) 


Steve> I have stated why it is different above and where the beef is,
Steve> that you're asking me to put up with something you have stated,
Steve> clearly, you would not if the reverse were true.


I think I misstated my position; If I had to take just 2 steps
 every time to reverse the defaults; I would not find that
 unacceptable. (well, I would probably provide a patch if it bugged me
 enough, but then, not every one need be able to code.)

manoj
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Re: Fwd: Re: dselect oddities

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Steve" == Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> That happens not to be the case. If the reverse were true: that all
>> packages were held be default, and I had to do two ops to turn them
>> t be upgraded. I would do it. If I had to release them one by one,
>> that would be unacceptable.

Steve> I did.  I asked you if the reverse were true, if you had to
Steve> select what you wanted to upgrade, would you find it
Steve> unaccetable.  You said you would.

I stand corrected. I did, indeed say that. I
 apologize. However, I would like to amend my stance to the correction
 above.

manoj

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Re: dselect oddities

[Steve Lamb]

On 16 May 1998 00:20:33 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

>   Now, you have to mark packages you want to upgrade. Tell me
> again, how reversing the default would be any different?

I add a new package.  All of a sudden I have to mark that package (or
section) for hold again.  I add another package, I have to mark it again.  I
add another package, I must, again, mark it held.

That is not two operations.

> show any possible means where you do not have to mark packages for
> upgrade? (In the current method, you have to mark packages to hold
> them; I shpowed how to reverse the default in two ops).

Not two operations.  Two operations for the current set of packages.

>Steve> It seems to me that both behaviors are valid depending on the
>Steve> individual behind the keyboard and both should be an option,
>Steve> not forcing people who don't want to upgrade to constantly have
>Steve> to mark packages as held.  Don't you agree?

>   Two ops get you the reverse default already. And, anyway, as I
> said, the authors shall gladly accept valid patches.

Too bad I can't program, huh?

>   I do not understand your reluctance to explicitly hold all new
> and upgraded packages, which is doable right now, and should
> solve your problem.

>   I asl again: wheres the beef?


I have stated why it is different above and where the beef is, that
you're asking me to put up with something you have stated, clearly, you would
not if the reverse were true.


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An apology

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

On re-reading what I had written, yes, it could be interpreted
 as I would find releasing all the packages each time unaccpetable.

That was not what I meant to convey. I would find relasing
 weach one individually unacceptable. But if I could do it in
 one go, it would be fine.

However, I jumped down Steves throat based on my
 interpretation of what I wrote, not what a reasonable person would
 gather. For that I apologize.

However, I stand behind my statement that two operations
 everytime I upgrade is not too onerous.

I also ask Steve to file a bug against dpkg asking for a
 optionally reversed default; that is the best way of getting this
 message to the authors.

In the meanwhile, I think a reasonable work around has been
 proposed.

manoj
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Re: Fwd: Re: dselect oddities

[Steve Lamb]

On 16 May 1998 00:22:29 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

>Steve> Exactly.  I have been giving constructive critism and in return
>Steve> I have been getting a flippant attitude of "It isn't that many
>Steve> ketstrokes."  In fact, one person has said that if the
>Steve> situation were reverse he(?)'d find it unacceptable yet is
>Steve> asking that I find it acceptable that I must do what he would
>Steve> not if things were reversed.

>   That happens not to be the case. If the reverse were true:
> that all packages were held be default, and I had to do two
> ops to turn them t be upgraded. I would do it. If I had to release
> them one by one, that would be unacceptable. 

>   For gods sake, read before you flame.

I did.  I asked you if the reverse were true, if you had to select what
you wanted to upgrade, would you find it unaccetable.  You said you would.

What part of my statement above does not conform to that?  I can go back
and quote from the exact messages, if you like.  It wasn't a flame, it was
fact.


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Re: dselect oddities

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Steve" == Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Steve> The beef is that you're arguing with me because the default
Steve> happens to suit you and you don't see where the problem is with
Steve> marking things to be held yet if the situation were reversed,
Steve> where you would have to constantly mark things to be upgraded,
Steve> you would find it unacceptable.

I think not. Let me clarify here. The default is that all
 packages are upgraded be default. The reverse (two ops: move
 to new: press =, move to all upgraded: press =) is to have no
 packages upgraded by default.

So: two ops reverses the default.

In the current method, I never touch anything, cause I want it
 all upgraded; in your method; I would have to mark all for upgrade
 (which I find unacceptable, but thats me).

Now, you have to mark packages you want to upgrade. Tell me
 again, how reversing the default would be any different?  Can you
 show any possible means where you do not have to mark packages for
 upgrade? (In the current method, you have to mark packages to hold
 them; I shpowed how to reverse the default in two ops).


Steve> It seems to me that both behaviors are valid depending on the
Steve> individual behind the keyboard and both should be an option,
Steve> not forcing people who don't want to upgrade to constantly have
Steve> to mark packages as held.  Don't you agree?

Two ops get you the reverse default already. And, anyway, as I
 said, the authors shall gladly accept valid patches.

I do not understand your reluctance to explicitly hold all new
 and upgraded packages, which is doable right now, and should
 solve your problem.

I asl again: wheres the beef?

manoj
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Re: Fwd: Re: dselect oddities

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Steve" == Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Steve> On Sat, 16 May 1998 10:40:23 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
>> We are all volunteers here. Generally speaking, constructive
>> criticism is welcome -- unconstructive criticism just makes people
>> leave the project.

Steve> Exactly.  I have been giving constructive critism and in return
Steve> I have been getting a flippant attitude of "It isn't that many
Steve> ketstrokes."  In fact, one person has said that if the
Steve> situation were reverse he(?)'d find it unacceptable yet is
Steve> asking that I find it acceptable that I must do what he would
Steve> not if things were reversed.

That happens not to be the case. If the reverse were true:
 that all packages were held be default, and I had to do two
 ops to turn them t be upgraded. I would do it. If I had to release
 them one by one, that would be unacceptable. 

For gods sake, read before you flame.

manoj

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Re: Fwd: Re: dselect oddities

[Art Lemasters]

Steve wrote:
> On Sat, 16 May 1998 10:40:23 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> 
> >We are all volunteers here. Generally speaking, constructive criticism
> >is welcome -- unconstructive criticism just makes people leave the project.
> 
> Exactly.  I have been giving constructive critism and in return I have
> been getting a flippant attitude of "It isn't that many ketstrokes."  In
> fact, one person has said that if the situation were reverse he(?)'d find it
> unacceptable yet is asking that I find it acceptable that I must do what he
> would not if things were reversed.

 Actually, I am happy that we get to select the packages for
upgrading so easily--even for hamm.  ...heck of a lot better than
rootin' around in some Winders gotcha registry to look for all those
little, bitty leftover pieces of friends of Bill after upgrades. ;-)

Art


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Re: Fwd: Re: dselect oddities

[Steve Lamb]

On Sat, 16 May 1998 10:40:23 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

>We are all volunteers here. Generally speaking, constructive criticism
>is welcome -- unconstructive criticism just makes people leave the project.

Exactly.  I have been giving constructive critism and in return I have
been getting a flippant attitude of "It isn't that many ketstrokes."  In
fact, one person has said that if the situation were reverse he(?)'d find it
unacceptable yet is asking that I find it acceptable that I must do what he
would not if things were reversed.


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Re: dselect oddities

[Steve Lamb]

On 15 May 1998 22:41:03 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

>>> One can certainly put all new and all updated packages on
>>> hold. There are not that many sections; so it *is* possible to put
>>> ecerything on hold.

>Steve> Then ask yourself this, would you put up with having to release
>Steve> all those packages each time?

>   Hell, no. But then, I like the current default: I choose which
> packages to install, and from them on I want the latest versions of
> all packages I have so chosen. 

Then ask yourself why you are asking me to do the exact reverse of that?

>   Seems to me you want to choose which packages to upgrade. I
> showed you how it would never upgrade any package you did not
> explicitly ask to upgrade (by releasing the hold on the
> package). Make up your mind. Either you want to select packages to
> upgrade, or you don't. If you do, hold everything, and release what
> you want. If you don't, the current default works. Wheres the beef?

The beef is that you're arguing with me because the default happens to
suit you and you don't see where the problem is with marking things to be
held yet if the situation were reversed, where you would have to constantly
mark things to be upgraded, you would find it unacceptable.

 It seems to me that both behaviors are valid depending on the individual
behind the keyboard and both should be an option, not forcing people who
don't want to upgrade to constantly have to mark packages as held.  Don't you
agree?


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Re: faking the hardware address?

[Rick Macdonald]

Nils Rennebarth wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 10:30:33AM -0700, Alan Su wrote:
> > My linux box is connected to a campus network, and i'd like to provide
> > access to that network to a machine connected over a serial/modem line
> > via PPP. 
> > My question is: can I fake this?

> Yes. In short: use the proxyarp option of pppd
 
Nils, I'm trying to do the _exact_ same thing, except instead of PPP I
have two ethernet interfaces.

I believe my setup is correct, and I believe that it doesn't work
because the "campus network" in my case is a cable modem and the cable
company hasn't properly set me up to use the 5 static IP addresses that
they have given me to use.

I actually just need three IP's: two for my ethernet cards and one for
the machine on the local lan.

Here I've numbered my IPs just like your campus example, but I've added
the third address, 1.2.3.3, for my second ethernet card (for my local
lan) where the other fellow is using PPP.

If you don't mind eyeballing this, I'd be very grateful!

#eth0 is the cable modem side. The hardware address in the arp
#command is the one from my eth0 interface (the cable modem side).

#  configure the IP address, netmask and broadcast address.
/sbin/ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 1.2.3.255
# add a network route to point to it:
/sbin/route add -net 1.2.3.0 device eth0
# Add a default route. 
/sbin/route add default gw 1.2.3.254

# eth1 is the Win95 local lan side:

/sbin/ifconfig eth1 1.2.3.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 1.2.3.255
arp -s 1.2.3.2 00:10:4B:1E:A4:1B pub
/sbin/route add -host 1.2.3.2 device eth1
/sbin/route add -host 1.2.3.3 device eth1

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Re: 2.0.33 is no good for lic6-dev

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Alan" == Alan Eugene Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Alan> No thank you.

Well, there are other distributions -- red hat makes a fine
 OS, you know. I just sent you Debian policy. 

>>  Most programs, even if they include , do
Alan> ^
>> not really depend on the version of the kernel, as long as the
>> kernel versions are not too far off, they will work. And the
>> headers provided in libc5-dev (and libc6-dev) are just that.

How many programs you know depend on intimate knowledge of
 kernel headers? pcmcia, and oss are the only ones I know about.

>> The solution is to separate out the two sets of header files:
Alan>  

You really seem to have little knowledge of this subject, and
 do not seem to be able to follow the technica discussion
 (which, BTW, was endorsed by Linus, had you cared to read to
 the end)

Alan> I, for one, applaud Bruce Perens's efforts to standardize
Alan> various issues.

libc6-dev is not part of the base system, and is not likely to
 be. So, Debian is going to be following a variation of the policy I
 mailed here. (The real policy for slink is slightly different, but
 only in implementation details).

Alan> This is one that has continually been a sore point for me,
Alan> standing in the way, between me and peaceful computing.

Sorry.

Alan> You are making some assumptions here.  You are
Alan> telling me that this is, after all, not really a standardizable
Alan> solution, but that Debian will work most of the time, but not
Alan> all the time, except for hackers who are alert enough to catch
Alan> this and remember the required kludges.

You evidently fail to grasp the subject at hand. I said no
 such thing.

Alan> Congratulations on an ingeniously intricate, illusory and
Alan> superfluous solution to what appears (at least to others who
Alan> must compile the kernels)to be a trivial problem, or not a
Alan> problem.

What the hell does that have to do with compiling kernels
 (apart from pieces of crap like OSS)? The kernel is independent of
 the headers installed on the machine, and delibrately so. Since you
 do not understand what you are talking about, I think I have nothing
 further to say on this matter. 

Technical objects to Debian policy are always welcome,
 unreasoning rants shall be ignored.

Good day.

manoj

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 Most notably I have ignored the evidence for an Earth that is six
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 purported evidence and *then* rejected it. There is a difference, and
 this is a difference, we might say, between prejudice and postjudice.
 Prejudice is making a judgment before you have looked at the facts.
 Postjudice is making a judgment afterwards.  Prejudice is terrible,
 in the sense that you commit injustices and you make serious
 mistakes.  Postjudice is not terrible.  You can't be perfect of
 course; you may make mistakes also.  But it is permissible to make a
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Re: 2.0.33 is no good for lic6-dev ?

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Luiz" == Luiz Otavio L Zorzella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Luiz> I wish to send a mail to the OSS tech support about this
Luiz> situation with debian. Is there anything you think I should
Luiz> suggest to fix the problem in a clean way (all the dists,
Luiz> including Debian)?

Yes. Tell them not to use grep. There are ways to include a
 linux header to tell what kernel version is being used (if they do
 not know what I mean, tell them to look at the sources of modules in
 the kernel to determine how to do that). At run time, they can call
 uname. Using grep and trying to second guess the installation about
 whivh headers were used is evil, and shoddy software practice.

manoj

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Re: dselect oddities

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Steve" == Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Steve> On 15 May 1998 16:21:52 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> One can certainly put all new and all updated packages on
>> hold. There are not that many sections; so it *is* possible to put
>> ecerything on hold.

Steve> Then ask yourself this, would you put up with having to release
Steve> all those packages each time?

Hell, no. But then, I like the current default: I choose which
 packages to install, and from them on I want the latest versions of
 all packages I have so chosen. 

Seems to me you want to choose which packages to upgrade. I
 showed you how it would never upgrade any package you did not
 explicitly ask to upgrade (by releasing the hold on the
 package). Make up your mind. Either you want to select packages to
 upgrade, or you don't. If you do, hold everything, and release what
 you want. If you don't, the current default works. Wheres the beef?

manoj
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Re: PPP, diald,

[john]

Bob Nielsen writes:
> Connect your modem to ttyS0 and make a symbolic link to /dev/modem ('ln
> -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem' as root).

Please don't.  This link is unnecessary and confusing.  Use /dev/ttyS0
directly.

> Install ppp (and optionally diald) and read the man pages and other
> documentation, including the PPP-HOWTO...

Thr PPP-HOWTO can be very confusing.  It gives far more detail than most
people need, but does not cover the Debian way of setting up ppp.  Read the
man pages for 'pppd', 'chat', 'pon', 'poff', and 'plog'.  Assuming that you
are using Debian 1.3, edit /etc/ppp.chatscripts and /etc/ppp.options_out
for your configuration.  Email me if you need help.

> You may also want to get pppconfig.

Pppconfig cannot be used with Debian 1.3.

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Re: Database Manager

[Eloy A. Paris]

Carlos Marcos Kakihara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

:   I'm looking for some database manager that looks like
: SyBase. Is there one avaliable for Linux? If possible, a Debian
: package.

There is PostgreSQL, an Object Oriented RDBMS. It's in the misc
section of Hamm (it's 100% free).

You also have mSQL and mySQL. mySQL is supposed to be fast, small and
rock-solid, but it's not 100% free (it's in the non-free section).

I recommend you give PostgreSQL a try. The Debian version is very good
(thanks Oliver :-) and this RDBMS is improving every day.

Good luck.

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Re: floppy woes

[Lindsay Allen]

On Fri, 15 May 1998, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am having problems with a floppy drive.  Basicly it won't write
> properly on any floppy disk that hasn't been formatted in that drive.
> Preformatted floppies screw up.  The problem is, that often after a
> failed attempt to read or write from the drive, the only way to be able
> to use the floppy drive again is to reboot.  I have tried fdflush on
> it, but this didn't seem to work.  I have tried unloading and reloading
> the floppy.o kernel module, to no avail.  If I try to mount a (`good')
> floppy after such an event, I get messages like `device busy' or
> `/dev/fd0: no such address'.

The head of the floppy drive can get offset either to left or right of its
correct position. This means that it can read disks written by itself but
might have trouble reading disks created by other drives (unless they have
a similar error.) If you have two floppy drives the errors might cancel
(if you are lucky)  or they might add, in which case neither drive might
read the other's disks. 

In the days when 5 1/4" drives were $200+, special (audio?) disks were
available which could be used with the aid of a CRO to re-align the
head. Now it is cheaper to buy a new drive. 

> 
> Question: is there a way to hard-reset the floppy drive and driver
> under linux, without rebooting?

I just take the disk out.

> Another annoying point is that if something goes wrong while reading or
> writing to floppy, the system goes on trying forever and a day,
> regardles of whatever kill signals are being sent.  Would there be a
> way to make it give up after, say, 10 attempts?
> 
> Any comments appreciated,

Lindsay

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Re: PPP, diald,

[Bob Nielsen]

On Fri, 15 May 1998, VB Student wrote:

> I have two serial ports in Debian Linux. ttyS0 and ttyS1.
> My mouse is on ttyS1. What software can I use to dial-up my ISP [ ppp,
> diald???] 
> Once my modem connects can I open a telnet or ftp and download files?
> What about arena? Will that work with a dial-up device?
> Thanks for helping a newbie

Yes to all of the above.  Connect your modem to ttyS0 and make a symbolic
link to /dev/modem ('ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem' as root).

Install ppp (and optionally diald) and read the man pages and other
documentation, including the PPP-HOWTO and the Diald mini-HOWTO.  You may
also want to get pppconfig.

Bob


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PPP, diald,

[VB Student]

I have two serial ports in Debian Linux. ttyS0 and ttyS1.
My mouse is on ttyS1. What software can I use to dial-up my ISP [ ppp,
diald???] 
Once my modem connects can I open a telnet or ftp and download files?
What about arena? Will that work with a dial-up device?
Thanks for helping a newbie
Casey


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Re: 2.0.33 is no good for lic6-dev ?

[Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 > Well...you could do that...but it is MUCH simpler than that
 > first go into /usr/include
 > mv linux linux-deb
 > mv asm asm-deb
 > ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux linux
 > ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm asm

Change that for:

ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.0.33/include/

and BINGO! It works! Thanks guys. You're always right.

I wish to send a mail to the OSS tech support about this situation
with debian. Is there anything you think I should suggest to fix the
problem in a clean way (all the dists, including Debian)?

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Re: Totally off-subject ( And now for something Completely different)

[sjc]

On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 11:32:11PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Forgive my posting this here, but . . .

Well I for one can find it in my heart to forgive you :)

> As I was wondering aimlessly around the sites of the people on this list
> looking for hints and tips for a Linux 'virgin', I happened across a Video
> file of Bill Gates' premiere of Windows98 ( The Crash of '98). I had saved
> the file but one of my workmate deleted it thinking it may have been
> something else. 

Sounds cool...well not the deleting thing

>Now I can't remember where I found it and EVERYONE is
> looking for it from Me?!?! 

um well..add me to the list...if you do happen to find it...let me know where!

>So, if you have a copy, or know someone who has
> a copy, or heard of someone why knows someone who has a copy, OR know
> someone who heard of someone who saw someone who looked like someone who .
> . . where was I???

No Comment :)
> Anyway, you get the Idea. I will be eternally grateful and will continue to
> spread the word about Linux. ( I will anyway, Am I starting to sound like a
> religious cult follower yet? ) Thanks again.

Hmmm you knowI work for a company which is a big Micro$oft shop...
Windows NT everywhere...very few of us Linux users (but I know a couple)
I sorta noticed im like that when I start to say something and all of a 
sudden someone finishes my sentance with something about
me not liking Microsoft :) (or praising linux)
It is sorta like when I guy asked to see my resume cuz he was looking for
someone to fill a position which included running and programming
on a Windows NT system
I replied to him and he said "I caution you that operating systems are
not religions"
You know he is right...they are much more important :)
just so this is not TOTTALLY off topic (tho this is debian user 
discussion list so...I supode we are debian users and
we are discussing...)
anyay...what format was this Movie in?
and...are there any GOOD (and of course free) programs for
playing files of this type for linux (preferably under
X)
I am psecifically thinking .mov format...but others are important too
(I have soxmas.mov on a CD...I don't wanna make a partition 
and install Win95 and duel boot for the sole purpose 
of watching South Park "SPirit of Christmass" but...
if I have to I will (it is worth it ;) )
-Steve
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Re: 2.0.33 is no good for lic6-dev ?

[sjc]

On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 04:11:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
>   Well, try putting in -I/usr/src/linux/include for every file
>  compiled in the tree; and see if that improves things. 
> 
>   At the last resort, you can try mkdir /usr/src/tmp; mv the
>  2.0.32 headers there, and create a symlink from kernel-source-2.0.33
>  to kernel-headers-2.0.32; compile the module, and restore things to
>  the way they were for the other 99.99% of the code that is well
>  behaved (or less dependent on kernel versions).
> 
>   manoj

Well...you could do that...but it is MUCH simpler than that
first go into /usr/include
mv linux linux-deb
mv asm asm-deb
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux linux
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm asm
then go into the oss directory and make clean
make sndshield
once it is finished make sure it works (soundon)
then just go back to /usr/include and switch the links back
remember...it doesn't even matter whether /usr.include or
anything in it exists unless you plan on compiling
somethin...so changing it for a short time wont 
hurt anything
(also.. make sure you compile the kernel with th eoption sfor
modual version ON..)
it has been my experiance that OSS doesn't like the debian "stock" 
binary kernel image (from the install) for 2.0.29 ...maybe differnt
for 2.0.33 but I had to change some options (I think it was the
one I mentioned above...I might be wrong tho)
-Steve

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Re: dictionaries?

[Sudhakar Chandrasekharan]

> Are there any dictionary programs (console and/or X)?  -- a dictionary,
> not just a list of correctly spelled words!

You could look at http://www.dict.org/  I use their client, dict (command
line) and daemon, dictd on my machine.  Somebody (forgot their name) is
already in the process of packaging this for hamm (Debain 2.0).

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Re: dictionaries?

[Bob Hilliard]

Paul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks:
 
> Are there any dictionary programs (console and/or X)?  -- a dictionary,
> not just a list of correctly spelled words!

Hi,
 I have packaged the Dict project's client/server software and all
of the dictionary databases they make available.  They are still in
Incoming (unless they moved to slink today).  

 The package names are:
dict   - client software
dictd  - server software 
dict-wn- WordNet 1.6, A Lexical Database for English
dict-jargon- Hacker's Jargon File
dict-foldoc- The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing
dict-elements  - Chemical and Physical Properties of the Elements
dict-easton- Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
dict-hitchcock - Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary
dict-gazetteer - Database of Geographic Data from the U.S. Census

 The following package has been delayed due to copyright
considerations.  I expect to upload it within a week or two.  (The
upstream editor is making some minor modifications, and will then put
it in the public domain.)

dict-web1913   - 1913 Webster's Unabridged Dictionary

Bob
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Re: Fwd: Re: dselect oddities

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 10:59:33AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Fri, 15 May 1998 13:58:02 -0400 (EDT), Scott Ellis wrote:
> 
> >Go to the select screen, hit 'o', go to the top of the updated packages
> >section (the header), hit '='.  There, all the updated packages are on
> >hold.
> 
> My isn't that obvious.  Not.

We are all volunteers here. Generally speaking, constructive criticism
is welcome -- unconstructive criticism just makes people leave the project.


thanks,
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Misbehaving files

[Derek Tam]

Silly me.  Over a month ago, my system crashed and upon reboot,
I performed a fsck while all filesystems were still mounted.  Yes,
I ignored all the warnings, so it's my fault.  OK, well here's
the problem... something went wrong and several of my
files got corrupted, uncluding the whole /usr/man/man7/ directory.
Here's a look at the listing of /usr/man/

total 960149485
drwxr-xr-x  11 root root 1024 May 14 23:27 .
drwxr-xr-x  15 root root 1024 Apr  9 20:45 ..
drwxr-xr-x   5 root root 1024 Jul 26  1997 de_DE
drwxr-xr-x   5 root root 1024 Jul 26  1997 it_IT
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root11264 May 14 23:27 man1
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 6144 Apr 28 18:24 man2
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root17408 May 14 23:27 man3
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 1024 Mar 29 18:35 man4
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 3072 May 14 23:27 man5
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 1024 Dec 25 01:05 man6
b---r-srwx   1 2494125966 47,  57 Apr 28 22:55 man7
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 7168 May 14 23:09 man8

 As you can see, man7 thinks that it is a block device.  I
 can't access this in any way, as root, I have tried to rm -f,
 rename, and move. Nothing.  I tried creating a user with ID
 24941 and removing that way.  Nothing.  Tried to take
 ownership of it, no can do.  Can't chmod either.

root /usr/man# rm -rf man7
rm: man7: Operation not permitted
root /usr/man# mv man7 temp
mv: cannot move `man7' to `temp': Operation not permitted
root /usr/man# chown root man7
chown: man7: Operation not permitted
root /usr/man# chgrp root man
chgrp: man7: Operation not permitted

 I could try ignoring it, since I rarely use man7, but
 unfortunately, some packages must put pages there and the 
 installation fails.  For example,

Running dpkg -iGROEB /mnt/f/download/debian
(Reading database ... 13903 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace groff 1.10-3 (using .../debian/groff_1.10-3.5.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement groff ...
dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
 trying to overwrite `/usr/man/man7', which is also in package procps

[chop]

Would prefer to fix the error rather than force an install.
Sure hope someone can help me, I've been puzzling over this one
for too long.  I have about 70 more of these "files" that were
recovered and now reside in /lost+found/ and are resistant to
eviction thus far.

TIA,
Derek



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dictionaries?

[Paul Miller]

Are there any dictionary programs (console and/or X)?  -- a dictionary,
not just a list of correctly spelled words!

Thanks
-Paul


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Re: 2.0.33 is no good for lic6-dev ?

[Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella]

Rev. Joseph Carter writes:
 > On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 04:11:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
 > 
 > Thr problem with OSS/Linux is that it grep's autoconf.h to see if you have
 > the right configuration for module support and versioning.

Sorry I could not quite follow you all the way. Let's see if I got it:
since, in a Debian machine, autoconf.h is not at
/usr/src/linux/include, because it is at the kernel-headers (and not
kernel-source), then what happens? How did it get to think that
sndshield was compiled against 2.0.32? Or: was it compiled against
2.0.32? 

How can I workaround this?

> This is STUPID
 > and WRONG,

What is the right was, then? Maybe OSS people should be suggested a
better way, if one exists. I found them to be always very prompt to
help me.

> but then it's just one more example of what a shoddy piece of
 > crap OSS truly is.
 >

No offence intended here, but by your reference, then, the kernel
sound card support is a shoddy piece of sh*t :^> ... Let's make things
better... 

Thanks a lot!

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Plug-ins in Netscape 4.05

[Bob Nielsen]

This is probably not a Debian problem, but I've noticed that since I
installed Netscape 4.05, I can't get any plug-ins to work.  I've installed 
rvplayer and acroread from Debian packages, as well as UMP, which works
with the timidity package.  

These all worked fine with netscape 3.04.  If I look at 'about
plug-ins' in netscape, they show up, but for realplayer, it shows an
extension of rpm, rather than ram (I wonder if it would try to play a Red
Hat package?)

There appears to be no way to edit the plug-in list, as there was in the
earlier netscape versions.  Following the help links indicates
that there should be an option to edit plug-ins in edit/preferences, but
it doesn't appear there.

Netscape doesn't seem to use the information in /etc/mime.types or
/etc/mailcap.

Does anyone know how to get the plug-ins to work?

Bob


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