Re: Netscape y rendimiento
On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Hue-Bond wrote: El domingo 07 de marzo de 1999 a la(s) 10:26:36 +0100, Antonio Castro contaba: Mientras tanto no se me pasa por la cabeza que llegado al punto de que el sistema este degradado y sabiendo que esta es la causa no hagais otra cosa que 'killall netscape' es lo más rápido y ensas situaciones eso se agradece. Estaría de acuerdo si previamente se avisa a los usuarios (si los recursos del sistema lo permiten ;-)). En mi opinión cuando el administrador va a alterar el funcionamiento normal por alguna razón justificada debería hablar por telefono o en persona. El correo electrónico sirve si avisa con un día. Es una descortesía no dar opción a escuchar la opnión de los usuarios y muchas veces descubre uno que no es el mejor momento para hacer las cosas. Por el contrario cuando el sistema está degradado y la gente no puede trabajar normalmente más vale no hacer muchas preguntas y solucionar el problema rápidamente. La solución buena de verdad es contactar con más gente afectada por este problema y entre todos meterle mano a los fuentes de netscape Exactamente, pero no hay tantos programadores como usuarios. Si ya lo sé. Incluso conozco muchos programadores de sistemas UNIX que no tienen ni idea de 'C'. -- El servidor de NT se ha ido a tomar por c***. (Dakota) David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Registered User no. 87069 http://come.to/Hue-Bond.world In love with TuX. Linux 2.2.2 PGP Public key at http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_pubkey.asc --- En caso de contestar a la lista mandame copia personal. /\ /\ Los mas importantes desarrolladores de Bases de datos \\W//están portando sus productos a Linux. Porque crees tu _|0 0|_ que será ?Yo creo que Linux es el futuro. +-oOOO--(___o___)--OOOo--+ | . . . . U U . . . . Antonio Castro Snurmacher | | http://slug.ctv.es/~acastro.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | +()()()--()()()--+
Re: Kernel 2.2.1: últimos pasos de instalación
Quizás te interese mirar http://www.openresources.com/es/magazine/linux-kernel-22/, un artículo sobre el kernel 2.2, en castellano. Entre otras cosas, cuenta con cierto detalle el proceso de instalación. Jesus. Miquel Escarrà writes: Hola: He compilado el kernel 2.2.1, siguiendo al punto los pasos del README. Al llegar al make zImage tengo que hacer un make bzImage para que el sistema se compile correctamente. A partir de ahí las instrucciones del fichero README me confunden: - en el directorio /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot aparece un fichero zImage con a penas 3000 bytes; también aparece un subdirectorio compressed que parece tener todos --algunos?-- componentes de la nueva instalación. - yo he copiado estos ficheros al directorio /boot y he modificado lilo.conf para que la imagen del kernel fuera, como me parece más lógico, el zImage del directorio /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot. - dado que aún tengo un arranque dual que me gestiona LILO, lo he vuelto a instalar. -ahora lo que me pasa es que en el momento del arranque del PC sólo sigue adelante el arranque de W95, si intento arrancar con linux se reinicia. Pido ayuda para que alguien me indique cuáles son los últimos pasos, teniendo el kernel compilado con make bzImage para poner el sistema a punto y además tener el arranque dual estable. Saludos y gracias Miquel Escarrà -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Jesus M. Gonzalez Barahona | Departamento de Informatica tel +3491 624 9458, fax +3491 624 9129 | Universidad Carlos III de Madrid [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | avd. Universidad, 30 Grupo de Sistemas y Comunicaciones | 28911 Leganes, Spain
RV: LiNUX en la calle ???
Estimados amigos de Debian: Yo os voy a comentar mi punto de vista personal en cuanto a Linux. Mi profesión no se acerca (ni con mucho) a la informática y simplemente me quedo en un usuario más de windows. Más bien lo padezco aunque poco a poco y con la ayuda de otras personas voy emigrando (en concreto a la distribución Debian). Lo que veo en despachos profesionales son como mucho un ordenador en cada habitáculo y para imprimir cualquier archivo o bien se hace en el mismo habitáculo o se le lleva un diskette a la secretaria para que lo imprima en la laser. Existen multitud de despachos formados por dos profesionales y la secretaria a los que les instalan una redecilla con win95 o win 3.11 creando la ilusión de que trabajan en equipo. ¿que comentar de cuelgues y demás esquisiteces? porque un simple bloqueo hace perder más de media hora entre que qué me ha pasado y chicos, voy a apagar la red. Además como esa media hora se acerque a la hora del café, la mañana perdida. Con respecto a Linux, veo un grán futuro a pesar de que se diga que es un sistema operativo difícil. Los usuarios normales no se defienden ni con windows. En los despachos hasta les tienen que instalar el windows porque son incapaces, además les instalan las herramoenatas que precisan. Lo justo saben escribir en un programa de tratamiento de textos y lo imprimen. Esa es la realidad y no otra la que aparece en la mayoría de los sitios. Para muestra un botón: cuántas veces he visto en curriculums informática a nivel de usuario y ni siquiera saben insertar un campo con la fecha en el documento (no digo ya hacer macros sencillas con MSWord). Por eso, a un usuario normal, le da igual lo que tiene delante mientras el programa no le haga muchas preguntas. Linux se instala una vez, se prueba una vez, se configura para que el usuario no haga el burro Y PRÁCTICAMENTE TE PUEDES OLVIDAR (perdón por el grito pues es alegría). Por esa razón puede servir de alternativa a windows u otros SO, pero ¿qué se necesita? un linuxero cerca. Un linuxero que puede atender a muchos amigos a la vez. Pero a partir de ahí, a partir de la instalación es raro, muy raro, que precises otra vez al que te lo instaló, a no ser que quieras sacarle mucho más jugo a la máquina. Por detrás queda el programa instalado que no va a colgarse práctcamente nunca. Entonces nos encontramos con tres tipos de usuario de un ordenador: 1.- el que enreda (tarde o temprano usará linux) 2.- el que no lo hace pero que solo utiliza un ordenador en casita y que seguirá siempre con windows conformándose con la típica enciclopedia en CDRom. 3.- El que no enreda y tiene el ordenador como una herramienta de trabajo. A este, si se le instala (solo instalar) lo que necesita, podrá tirar con linux y con toda su filosofía y no querrá windows para nada. ¿A quién va dirigido Linux? Al inquieto y no a otro. Y el inquieto no quiere que le sirvan a la rusa quiere cortar él la carne. Y pienso que vale la pena luchar por linux, es más que un sistema operativo, es una forma de ver las cosas con mucho menos egoismo que el que proporciona otros sistemas operativos. Un saludo a todos.
Re: LiNUX en la calle ???
At 09:48 05/03/99 +, you wrote: 'amigabilidad' del sistema. Pero esto nos lleva a una cuestion importante : Que es un sistema amigable ?. Para mi, LiNUX es un sistema totalmente amigable, en tanto en cuanto es el S.O que conozco que mejor se cuida a si mismo, y por ende al usuario. En la otra vertiente, esta la gente que opina que un sistema 'amigable' es aquel que proporciona una mayor facilidad de uso. Y esta gente, con pocas excepciones, esta formada por el usuario pequenio y medio, que podrian englobarse en el 'usuario final'. Al igual que LiNUX hace pagar su potencia y fiabilidad, otros S.O Estando muy de acuerdo contigo, señalo dos cosas: (1) La falsa amigabilidad de W95. ¿Cuántas personas conocéis a las que, tras instalar y desinstalar programas share, se les ha quedado el sistema hecho un auténtico higo? (2) Una buena parte de los usuarios finales pasan de amigabilidad. Utilizan los programas que les han instalado en la tienda, o llaman a un amigo para que les instale los nuevos. Emplean las utilidades de los programas, pero pasan completamente de intentar comprenderlo mínimamente. Cosa que me parece muy bien por otra parte, pues no tiene por qué interesarle ni gustarle la informática a todo el mundo. Y esto es lo que debe entender el usuario de a pie. Este usuario, en la mayoria de los casos, empezo su vida informatica con Windows, hace pocos anios, y hay que comprender que a ese usuario le cueste moverse. De hecho, y me duele decir esto, el cambio a LiNUX no es recomendable en muchos casos, hasta que se haga un buen tejado, confortable y bondadoso para este usuario final. Muy a mi pesar, y con toda mi buena fe, a algunas personas que me han pedido consejo respecto a que S.O utilizar, y despues de exponerme el uso que le van a dar a la maquina, le he recomendado instalarse un Windows, que, para escribir cartas, le va a dar el mismo servicio que LiNUX, y de manera mas grata. Que nadie me Este es el típico usuario final que comentaba en el (2). Muchos de ellos ni siquiera instalan sus propios programas en W95, sino que acuden a un amigo o al servicio técnico de la tienda a que se los instalen. La clave está, de momento, en que hay muchos amigos y muchas tiendas que saben usar la patata 95-98, y pocos que sepan hacerlo en Linux. Pero el problema no está en el usuario final (un linux instalado con su X-Window bien configurado, su staroffice, su KDE (o su vwf995, para que le resulte conocido), su WP, su Gimp o los programas que necesite, no le va a ser más difícil de manejar que un W95-98. Y cuando quiera cambiar o añadir algo, llama al amigo o va a la tienda, como hacía con el otro producto. Con la garantía añadida de que mientras no se ponga a jugar como su no va a hacer nada realmente peligroso, cosa que no se puede decir de W95-98. - Se discute en la comunidad de vecinos la compra de un ordenador para la gestion de la comunidad ?. Apoya la mocion y cuidate de que este ordenador vaya equipado con LiNUX (si es necesario, hazte cargo tu del mismo). Mejor todavía, que se haga cargo la tienda con su servicio técnico. Hay que crear la demanda de linux, para que las tiendas se doten de técnicos en el asunto. Además, es trabajo para linuxeros :-) - El jefe se queja de que la red ya se ha caido ocho veces en lo que va de mes ?. Pues recomiendale LiNUX, y si es necesario da un pequenio seminario a tus companieros para su manejo. - Que en el barrio nadie ha oido hablar de LiNUX ni de nada semejante ?. Buscate unos cuantos linuxeros del mismo (que los habra) y organiza unas charlas. Plenamente de acuerdo. Y asi en muchos casos mas. Como se puede observar, todas ellas llevan implicitas un trabajo 'gratuito', que no lo es en ningun caso. En mi opinion, los linuxeros somos una de las congregaciones mas egoistas, pues si nos pasamos tres horas al dia manteniendo un paquete, haciendo un parche para el kernel, impartiendo un seminario, organizando unas jornadas, u otra actividad parecida, nos estamos ayudando a nosotros mismos, llevando para adelante el proyecto LiNUX. Además del trabajo gratuito, que ya existe en W95-98 y mucho más en linux, configurando una comunidad solidaria francamente admirable en el mundo que hoy vivimos, insisto en que si la cosa fructifica puede haber trabajo remunerado para linuxeros, en el sentido de montar y mantener equipos dotados de linux para el usuario final. Saludos JM PS: En lo del trabajo remunerado no creáis que arrimo el ascua a mi sardina, que un servidor come de la arqueología ;-) Y ahora que me doy cuenta, estoy mandando esto desde windows... problemas de escribir desde el trabajo :-) -- * SE BUSCA * José M. Bello Dieguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
RE: LiNUX en la calle ???
Estimados amigos de Debian: Yo os voy a comentar mi punto de vista personal en cuanto a Linux. Mi profesión no se acerca (ni con mucho) a la informática y simplemente me quedo en un usuario más de windows. Más bien lo padezco aunque poco a poco y con la ayuda de otras personas voy emigrando (en concreto a la distribución Debian). Lo que veo en despachos profesionales son como mucho un ordenador en cada habitáculo y para imprimir cualquier archivo o bien se hace en el mismo habitáculo o se le lleva un diskette a la secretaria para que lo imprima en la laser. Existen multitud de despachos formados por dos profesionales y la secretaria a los que les instalan una redecilla con win95 o win 3.11 creando la ilusión de que trabajan en equipo. ¿que comentar de cuelgues y demás esquisiteces? porque un simple bloqueo hace perder más de media hora entre que qué me ha pasado y chicos, voy a apagar la red. Además como esa media hora se acerque a la hora del café, la mañana perdida. Con respecto a Linux, veo un grán futuro a pesar de que se diga que es un sistema operativo difícil. Los usuarios normales no se defienden ni con windows. En los despachos hasta les tienen que instalar el windows porque son incapaces, además les instalan las herramoenatas que precisan. Lo justo saben escribir en un programa de tratamiento de textos y lo imprimen. Esa es la realidad y no otra la que aparece en la mayoría de los sitios. Para muestra un botón: cuántas veces he visto en curriculums informática a nivel de usuario y ni siquiera saben insertar un campo con la fecha en el documento (no digo ya hacer macros sencillas con MSWord). Por eso, a un usuario normal, le da igual lo que tiene delante mientras el programa no le haga muchas preguntas. Linux se instala una vez, se prueba una vez, se configura para que el usuario no haga el burro Y PRÁCTICAMENTE TE PUEDES OLVIDAR (perdón por el grito pues es alegría). Por esa razón puede servir de alternativa a windows u otros SO, pero ¿qué se necesita? un linuxero cerca. Un linuxero que puede atender a muchos amigos a la vez. Pero a partir de ahí, a partir de la instalación es raro, muy raro, que precises otra vez al que te lo instaló, a no ser que quieras sacarle mucho más jugo a la máquina. Por detrás queda el programa instalado que no va a colgarse práctcamente nunca. Entonces nos encontramos con tres tipos de usuario de un ordenador: 1.- el que enreda (tarde o temprano usará linux) 2.- el que no lo hace pero que solo utiliza un ordenador en casita y que seguirá siempre con windows conformándose con la típica enciclopedia en CDRom. 3.- El que no enreda y tiene el ordenador como una herramienta de trabajo. A este, si se le instala (solo instalar) lo que necesita, podrá tirar con linux y con toda su filosofía y no querrá windows para nada. ¿A quién va dirigido Linux? Al inquieto y no a otro. Y el inquieto no quiere que le sirvan a la rusa quiere cortar él la carne. Y pienso que vale la pena luchar por linux, es más que un sistema operativo, es una forma de ver las cosas con mucho menos egoismo que el que proporciona otros sistemas operativos. Un saludo a todos.
Re: version de window maker
El mantenedor del paquete del WindowMaker (y de casi todas las DockApps) participa en la lista o sea que me imagino que te responderá el. Yo te puedo decir que en Debian una vez que se ha sacado una versión (la Hamm por ejemplo), ya no se hacen cambios en esa versión. Las nuevas versiones de los programas se van añadiendo a la próxima distribución. De hecho actualmente la Debian 2.1 traerá wmaker 0.2x, pero la próxima versión ya tiene paquettes 0.5x. Yo lo que he hecho toda mi vida es bajarme esos paquetes nuevos de Internet, y de paso sirvo de beta tester de los programas (de hecho el wmaker 0.2x tenía un bug bastante tonto). Pero bueno, como muchas veces pasa que los nuevos paquetes están enlazados con nuevas versiones, pues puede pasar que te tengas que bajar 6 o 7 liberías nuevas. Como esto es un latazo, pues el menda (yo) lo que hago es bajarme las fuentes del paquete wmaker 0.50 y recompilarlo enlazandolo con las librerías de Hamm. Hace unos meses dije en esta lista que tenía unos paquetes de la Wmaker 0.2 para Hamm, y sé que hay un par de personas usandolo (y no tuvieron que actualizarse de distribución). Estoy a punto de hacer lo mismo con la Wmaker 0.5 o sea que ya os comentaré si quereis usar el paquete de marras. (PD/ que quede claro que el que se curra los paquetes es Marcelo. Yo me limito a recompilarlos con versiones antiguas de las librerías). -- Saudos: ose[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vigo/Galicia/España) http://pagina.de/xmanoel/ http://w3.to/mikkeli/ 03/07 Last Gilbert Sullivan opera produced, 1896
Re: modems
No necesariamente todos los winmodems son más baratos. En muchas marcas existe la versión interna (PCI y me imagino que WinModem) y el modem externo (que seguro que es de verdad) y los venden a precios iguales (o muy similares). A quien sí le interesa es a los fabricantes pues los costes son mucho menores en los módems emulados. Por cierto, ya que hablamos del tema, ya han aparecido las tarjetas de sonido emuladas. Por ejemplo el caso de la Sound Blaster PCI 64. Si bien funcionan en Linux, pues lo cierto es que yo no las recomendaría demasiado. -- Saudos: ose[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vigo/Galicia/España) http://pagina.de/xmanoel/ http://w3.to/mikkeli/ 03/07 Last Gilbert Sullivan opera produced, 1896
Re: Instalar .deb con dselect de fuera del CD de distribucion
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Andres Seco Hernandez wrote: Hasta ahora, he usado dselect para instalar paquetes que vienen con la distribucion hamm. ¿Como lo hago para instalar paquetes que vienen con CDs de revistas? Puedes usar el método dpkg-multicd que trae la Debian 2.1 (no lo he probado, pero puesto que Debian 2.1 necesita 2 CD-ROMs, puede que te funcione). O bien puedes usar dpkg a mano: dpkg -i paquete1.deb paquete2.deb paquete3.deb ... -- a771bba08ef1b6042b86b9909097b6e5 (a truly random sig)
Re: LiNUX en la calle ???
On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, TooManySecrets wrote: La verdad, no seré yo quien vaya aconsejando a los amigos que se instalen un Linux... quiero tener tiempo para seguir viviendo :-) ¡Jodón! Cualquiera diría... Pues yo lo hago, y muchos lo prueban. Afortunadamente, hoy día y gracias a Gnome y KDE (personalmente Gnome), la gente entra en el círculo linuxero y la gran mayoría, de los basados en mi experiencia, no vuelven a salir... Qué quieres que te diga... Seguro que no estás hablando de un usuario final, final, final. A muchos usuarios finales les cambias los iconos de sitio y no saben continuar. A estos usuarios no les hables del /dev/hdb. A mí me encanta Linux tal como está, lo único que me gustaría es que ganara un poco más de prestigio en el mundillo profesional, que esto se está consiguiendo, vale, pero todos los días me encuentro con alguién que saca una sonrisilla asquerosa cuando le hablas de Linux. Yo creo que Linux debe estar muy orientado al mercado de los servidores y no pensar tanto en ser el sucesor de Güindos 98, esto no sería bueno para Linux. Que conste que tampoco estoy en contra de las Suites, sólo digo que el gran público no exige más que lo que Güindos le ofrece. Saludos!!! Juanmi Mora Barcelona - España [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Powered by Linux - Debian 2.0 Hamm
Re: version de window maker
On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 01:33:21PM +0100, Xose Manoel Ramos wrote: De hecho actualmente la Debian 2.1 traerá wmaker 0.2x, pero la próxima versión ya tiene paquettes 0.5x. Cierto. La cosa es: hamm -- wmaker 0.14.1-7 slink -- wmaker 0.20.3-4 potato -- wmaker 0.51.1-1 (subiendo en este instante) Pero bueno, como muchas veces pasa que los nuevos paquetes están enlazados con nuevas versiones, pues puede pasar que te tengas que bajar 6 o 7 liberías nuevas. Como esto es un latazo, pues el menda (yo) lo que hago es bajarme las fuentes del paquete wmaker 0.50 y recompilarlo enlazandolo con las librerías de Hamm. Bueno, la máquina que uso para compilar wmaker (el paquete) tiene instalado slink, y seguirá teniendo slink durante un buen rato, así que momentáneamente los nuevos paquetes de wmaker deben funcionar en cualquier máquina con slink. Para hamm, este, bueno, no tengo a mi disposición ninguna máquina con Debian 2.0, así que no me es posible -- por eso agradezco el trabajo de Xose. Marcelo
Como instalar GNOME
Me han dicho que GNOME es un buen gestor de ventanas y ahora lo tengo, pero son muchos arxivos y no se en que orden van para instalarlos. Me podeis ayudar?
svgalib
hola,alguien que programe con la svgalib?
Re: Debian-Release-Party
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Wolfgang Gernot Bauer wrote: Where, when (March 9, 00:00:00 GMT that means in about 20 minutes)? No, you are 24 hours too early. March 9 is Tuesday (or Dienstag if you prefer). Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
Re: LinuxDos assmebler
I was thinking about learning assembler, but there is a problem. I heard about DOS interrupts, which I guess work only in DOS. Which I guess means that if I buy a book about x86 assembler, and it speak a lot about that interrupt things, I have a fair chance it wouldn't work in Linux, is that right? Maybe in that case, there are Linux x86 assembler books? Another question: How assembler works in the secure Linux environment? Linux checks that calls are not a threat to the system? Funny how this question has come up again. You might like to check the list archive for the previous discussion. To start this you will need to learn: X86 assembler - Get a good general purpose book without too many references to any operating system. GAS The GNU assembler. It comes with it's own documentation. Writing assembler in LINUX. See the Assembly-HOWTO that comes with all linux distros (ie look in /usr/doc/HOWTO). The simplest way to test a few assembler instructions is to use the assembler in-line capabilities of gcc . Forget anything you learnt about DOS software interrupts. There nothing wrong with staying with DOS until you feel confident with assembler. At least it is simple. Linux is good as a host platform if you want to write assembler for what is known as a embedded target. Regards
Re: packages missing
Are we talking about HAMM? are there some x-packages missing from stable? (xfree86-common and so on) if so, when are they going to get here?
Re: Linux
I would like to invest in Linux but can't find a stock in that name -- can you help I suggest the fastest and best way to lose your money is to send it to me.
hamm/slink gotcha
Hello all: Hamm (up to date as of about 3 months ago) update to slink using dselect gives the errors (upon Install): internal error - no filename at -e line 12, P chunk 14. installation script returned error exit status 1. Press RETURN to continue. Anyone have a clue why I am getting this behavior? I have a local mirror of the debian archive that I believe I am pointing to correctly. Thanks, nathan -- Nathan O. Siemers - Transcriptional Profiling, Bioinformatics - Division of Applied Genomics - Bristol-Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute - Hopewell Building 3B - P.O. Box 5400, Princeton, NJ 08543-5400 - 609 818-6568 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(no problems) Re: X, new video card, and servers.
When you say that it's a 3.3.3.1 server, I assume this means it won't work with 3.3.2, and I've heard that compiling xfree is a pain (though haven't tried it). Is there an experimental version somewhere (I've looked in /debian/project/experimental -- is there another repository of experimental packages?) It's working without a hint of trouble on my system. I'm currently running the most current X packages out of slink (3.3.2.3), plus the pre-compiled 3DLabs server (glibc2, 3.3.3.1) from the XFree86 site. Now whether it's by chance or design that the two versions co-exist peacefully, I really can't say... This is excellent news! I heard on debian-devel a week or so ago that someone had some experimental 3.3.3.1 packages available, though I don't have the address handy. A quick search through the mailing-list archives ought to turn it up, tho. I'll have a look. Thanks for the info, I'll report back when I pop the card in. -Dano
Re: LinuxDos assmebler
At 04:53 PM 3/6/99 -0500, Alexander Gutfraind wrote: Hello fellows! Hello Alexander ! I was thinking about learning assembler Me too ... but there is a problem. Probably many problems - you just haven't discovered them yet :) I heard about DOS interrupts, which I guess work only in DOS. Correct Which I guess means that if I buy a book about x86 assembler, and it speak a lot about that interrupt things, I have a fair chance it wouldn't work in Linux, is that right? Yes - the Linux interrupts are completely different to MS-DOS. Pls refer to the archives for further discussion particularly referring to int 10h (video bios calls). I asked these questions very recently. You may not need interrupt driven routines. Check out the list of system calls that are available. The Kernel Hackers guide is a good place to start. Also check out the libraries that are available - for example I am trying to work with svgalib/vgagl for graphics routines. You may also want to learn more about in-line assembler which gives you access to the high level constructs of the language of your choice and assembler routines for time critical code - this also may eliminate the need for interrupt calls. Maybe in that case, there are Linux x86 assembler books? I've looked but was unable to find one - essentially assembler language is the same regardless of the OS but the permissions change. Linux does not allow a user to access memory space outside of the allocated user space whereas MS-DOS allows you to access anything at any time. So, if you are trying to code an example written for MS-DOS that uses absolute memory addresses this may not work but AFAIK examples using relative addressing should work fine. Another question: How assembler works in the secure Linux environment? That depends specifically upon your requirements. Most assembler will translate directly and correctly (be sure you know the difference between ATT syntax and Intel syntax though - depending on which compiler you use) but see the comments above. I have found that I/O functions are the biggest difficulty because you have such limitations placed on you by Linux. Once again, I can only suggest that you refer to system calls, system libraries and learning in-line assembler for these requirements Linux checks that calls are not a threat to the system? Yes TIA! :) HTH :) You should read the Assembler How-To if you haven't already and pls check the archives as there was comprehensive discussion as mentioned above. There are many web sites which give some instruction on assembler also. If you are unable to find these feel free to write to me privately and I will give you my list that I found mostly useful. Ivan. Attachment Converted: c:\eudora\attach\vcard2.vcf
TAGS file for gzipped source in emacs/xemacs
Does anyone know how to make and use a TAGS file when the source files
are gzipped? I installed the xemacs20-supportel package, which
installs all of the *.el elisp files in gzipped form. (I would guess
that emacs[19,20]-el also install the sources in gzipped form.) I
suppose I could simply unzip them, but I'd rather not use all the
extra space, and then any upgrade wouldn't work properly since dpkg
would only overwrite the gzipped files. I like to have the option of
looking at the source when I'm trying to understand what a command
does; plus it helps me understand elisp better. I'm not, however,
planning to modify the source right now.
It seems that this might be a two step problem: (1) Generate the TAGS
file, using etags, from the gzipped sources, and (2) Make {x}emacs
auto-decompress the sources. I don't really know a good easy
solution.
If anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks,
--Miguel
uploading a website (reverse mirror)?
I have a slow modem. My website is ~9MB. When I change files in it, I don't want to have to a) upload the whole site or b) remember which files I've changed, and upload them manually. ftp-upload and sitecopy both upload a site based on local changes. They do not consult the remote site to see which files need updating. They base it on what they THINK have changed. There may be times when I will upload files from another OS, so I do not want to have to upload files twice, depending on which OS I upload them with. Is there an upload utility that compares local and remote file versions and uploads the changed version based on the differences between local and remote systems rather than local and old_local versions? cheers, frankie -- Confession is good for the soul only in the sense that a tweed coat is good for dandruff. --Peter de Vries http://www.skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk - Drum'n'Bass music, samples and links. ICQ://25576761begin:vcard n:;Frankie x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk adr:;;;Birmingham;;;UK version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Mr x-mozilla-cpt:;-8160 fn:Frankie end:vcard
CD-R Win95 to Debian
Hello all: I recently installed Debian (frozen/slink) on a Linux box here. My primary machine, for now, is running Windows 95. I installed Debian using the Driver and Rescue diskettes (which I made) and installed the base system from an archive which I downloaded to an existing RedHat partition. With a *great deal* of help from a friend, the setup that I have now is terrific! However, I would like to have a Debian CD-Rom so that I don't have to do it this way again (or maybe install on another system here (like this one!) without doing an Internet-install). I have a cd-writer, so I would love to be able to make my own Debian CD from the files at the Debian.org FTP. Has anyone done/tried this? I have heard that there is a special way that one would have to do this (maybe a special program), in order for this to work - i.e., write to cd-r and be able to install Debian from that homegrown cd-r. I would be writing the Debian CD on a Win95 machine with files downloaded via FTP, and I would love to know if there are any problems in doing so. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated very much, as I couldn't find any written information on this subject. Thanks - Brian
Re: uploading a website (reverse mirror)?
*- On 8 Mar, Frankie wrote about uploading a website (reverse mirror)? Is there an upload utility that compares local and remote file versions and uploads the changed version based on the differences between local and remote systems rather than local and old_local versions? cheers, frankie Look at the rsync package. It is what is used for the Debian mirror sites. From the man page: DESCRIPTION rsync is a program that behaves in much the same way that rcp does, but has many more options and uses the rsync remote-update protocol to greatly speedup file transfers when the destination file already exists. The rsync remote-update protocol allows rsync to transfer just the differences between two sets of files across the network link, using an efficient checksum-search algorithm described in the technical report that accompanies this package. -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
PGP complaint mail programs
I know that there is a multitude of email clients that provide pgp complaincy. However, as a newbie I am not as well versed in their advantages/disadvantages (and more importantly user satisfaction). I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can direct me to a link or provide information about this topic. Thanks, Emil Soleyman-Zomalan
Re: Linux won't work with RAM 64 MB
Werner: I do not know why your system would not boot correctly with 64Mb RAM. Linux 2.0 will not recognise more than 64Mb RAM automatically, but it will still boot (but ignore the extra memory). I have 128Mb RAM in my system here and Linux 2.0 works fine. On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 12:12:34PM -0700, Mark Yobb wrote: You can get Debian to use your 128M of memory by passing a command to the kernel with your boot loader. I use lilo and this is what I put in my /etc/lilo.conf file append=mem=80M Mark: this tells Linux about the extra memory, but it will still work without it. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org
Favorite WP/Office software...
I'm curious what people feel is their favorite word processor/ office productivity suite (i.e., star office, word perfect, lyx, TeX, siag office, etc.). NatePuri Certified Law Student Debian GNU/Linux Monk McGeorge School of Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ompages.com
lilo win/linux for 2 large HDD
I have two HDD hda: FUJITSU MPA3026AT, 2503MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=635/128/63, DMA hdb: ASUS CD-S340, ATAPI CDROM drive hdc: QUANTUM FIREBALL ST4.3A, 4110MB w/81kB Cache, CHS=14848/9/63, UDMA Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hdc: hdc1 hdc2 hdc3 With next partition: fdisk -l /dev/fda Device Boot BeginStart End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 *11 127 512032+ 83 Linux native /dev/hda2 128 128 13844352 82 Linux swap /dev/hda3 139 139 635 2003904 83 Linux native Device Boot BeginStart End Blocks Id System /dev/hdc1 *11 4371 1239147c Unknown /dev/hdc2 4096 437210909 1853523c Unknown /dev/hdc3102401091014848 1116706+ 83 Linux native hdc1 - Windows95 (system) hdc2 - windows95 too mount /dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw) /dev/hdc3 on /usr type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda3 on /home type ext2 (rw,usrquota) /dev/hdc1 on /mnt/b_system type vfat ... /dev/hdc2 on /mnt/b_work type vfat Usually i choice through bios what boot (C or D disk) C - Linux, D- windows but want choice from lilo (without destroy win boot) and try #my lilo.conf boot=/dev/hda1 root=/dev/hda1 compact install=/boot/boot.b message=/boot/message prompt map=/boot/map vga=normal delay=100 image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only other=/dev/hdc1 label=win table=/dev/hdc Problem: when i try win from lilo then it stop without any message (reset can help only) (try Linux - all OK) Thanks
beowulf clusters?
Do nodes in a beowulf cluster all have to have the same hw configuration? or can different types of intel based configurations work? NatePuri Certified Law Student Debian GNU/Linux Monk McGeorge School of Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ompages.com
Conflict
Hi Friends, Does anybody know why: When DNS server is running (as a daemon), telnet and ftp to that server does not work properly. It gets connected but nothing is seen on the remote host. Thanks
route: SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
When I type
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add -net 127.0.0.0
I get
SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
When I type
IPADDR=192.168.0.4
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
NETWORK=192.168.0.0
BROADCAST=192.168.0.255
GATEWAY=192.168.0.4
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
route add -net ${NETWORK}
I get the same error
but my network works fine.
if I type
ping 192.168.0.1 it works
Any help will be appreciated.
What is the equivalent of these commands when using IP_ALIAS
Thanks
Oz Dror
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Laptop install Help Needed
Hello, I'm a newbie to Linux and want to install debian on my laptop as my primary (only) machine, its a compaq armada 1535 w/ 3com 3c575 pcmcia ethernet. I've got nfs/ftp access to a linux box on the local network which has a copy of the hamm distribution and have made the rescue and driver disks, partitioned the drive but haven't got much further. My questions are; 1. I'm not using the tecra version disks, but have not had any lockups with the standard ones I'm using. Which is the right choice? 2. I can't get the machine to talk on the network. How do I do this? I know there are a hundred right answers to this question, I'm looking for the easiest/quickest ways How do I get 3c575 support? I'm not sure I'm up to compiling a kernel yet. Should I consider other pcmcia cards that I have access to like NE200 or 3c589, or is pcmcia problematic and should I look for a pocket adatper or something else? 3. Once I get the network working should I use NFS or FTP to access the packages? (are there important pro's and con's of each?) TIA for any suggestions, Chris * Chris Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] !!! HELP FIGHT SPAM !!! Join; www.cauce.org See; spam.abuse.net, spamsucks.com, www.cm.org
xserver fixated on tty7?
i probably missed something as i upgraded to slink today, but is the tty that the xserver uses somehow changed to be in some config file (rather than taking the first unused one)? i had a couple extra virtual consoles which i used to use on tty7 and tty8. after the upgrade, the xserver periodically got hosed (no response to keyboard input/mouse clicks) and when i was able to switch over to virtual consoles, i saw that the one sitting on tty7 was hosed. i modified inittab to remove the two extra getty's, and now everything's back to normal. anyone have any ideas? thanks. -alan
Re: Linux
There are no linux based corps. that currently have offered IPOs. RedHat will likely be the first (and potentially VAResearch); pay attention to those names. NatePuri Certified Law Student Debian GNU/Linux Monk McGeorge School of Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ompages.com On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Richard Lyon wrote: I would like to invest in Linux but can't find a stock in that name -- can you help I suggest the fastest and best way to lose your money is to send it to me. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Qmail to Exim woes
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my questions are : Is the eximconfig script setting exim up for anyone else? It did not work for me. I had a lot of trouble getting exim to work in a similar setup than yours. People on this list helped me otherwise I would not have succeeded. Johann -- | Johann Spies Windsorlaan 19 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]3201 Pietermaritzburg | | Tel/Faks Nr. +27 331-46-1310 Suid-Afrika (South Africa) | -- Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:19,20
Re: it's far, far more than a mere editor.
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, mike shupp wrote: I hadn't been intending to ask about this, but since folks are exposing their prej--er-- discussing fine points of editors, has there ever been a UNIX or Linux port of XyWrite in any of its incarnations or of NotaBena? (or Atex, a dedicated word processing system from which XyWrite was derived?) Not what I know of. But did you have a look at LaTeX? When I showed Latex to a former NotaBena-user, he mentioned that there are similarities in approach. Johann -- | Johann Spies Windsorlaan 19 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]3201 Pietermaritzburg | | Tel/Faks Nr. +27 331-46-1310 Suid-Afrika (South Africa) | -- Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:19,20
Re: I can't believe this
George Bonser said: //http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/opensource/390823.html // //zdnet did a review of Debian. Included are such comments as: // //Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 ($38.95 direct) ... //...Windows users should steer clear of Debian. // //...The company says it will include a new application installer in Debian //GNU/Linux 2.1. // //Uhm, which company would this be? // //...Debian is distributed by Linux Press... // //Yeah, and a whole bunch of other people. Basicly the article's slant is //be afraid of Debian, be very afraid. --- Oh, and consider the page before it, on Caldera: http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/opensource/390822.html One of Caldera's greatest strengths is KDE (Kool Desktop Environment), a graphical desktop environment that essentially makes Linux look and act like Windows. Sure, KDE is a pretty good (I've used it also). But, the whole purpose in choosing Linux is because you would rather not use MS Windows. Aside from that, the quoted statement above just *sounds* like, This is as 'good' as Windows 95, so we like it. As far as comparisons go, for the distributions listed there, I've used RedHat. Debian, to me, has been 400% easier to manage than RedHat. The difference between RPM and Debian's package system is insane; RPMs made a total mess of my system. Also, things like the PPP setup on Debian was much easier. Red Hat is known for its package manager (RPM), an open-source program that is used in many other distributions as well. RPM lets you safely install and uninstall applications, avoid conflicts between programs, and even upgrade the kernel itself without having to reinstall your system software or files. That's crazy, and it's certainly not true. If you're trying Linux for the first time, Red Hat is the best choice. If I had to choose for the first time again, there is no doubt in my mind that I would go with Debian. Period. b.
Re: I can't believe this
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:44:34PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/opensource/390823.html zdnet did a review of Debian. Included are such comments as: Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 ($38.95 direct) ... ...Windows users should steer clear of Debian. Aside from the obvious errors, I think we should note the criticisms, they are actually quite true (they didn't beat around the bush when mentioning them either). -- --- - - --- - - - --- Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux OpenLDAP Core - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] UnixGroup Admin - Jordan Systems The Choice of the GNU Generation -- -- - - - --- --- -- - - --- - --
Re: uploading a website (reverse mirror)?
George Bonser wrote: On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Frankie wrote: Is there an upload utility that compares local and remote file versions and uploads the changed version based on the differences between local and remote systems rather than local and old_local versions? You might be able to run something like mirror on the remote system that looks at your local system at regular intervals and grabs any changes. As long as the local files are accessable with ftp from the remote site, it should be OK. Sorry I should have said - I do not have an account on this machine. I have FTP only. :-( -- Confession is good for the soul only in the sense that a tweed coat is good for dandruff. --Peter de Vries http://www.skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk - Drum'n'Bass music, samples and links. ICQ://25576761begin:vcard n:;Frankie x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk adr:;;;Birmingham;;;UK version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Mr x-mozilla-cpt:;-8160 fn:Frankie end:vcard
RE: route: SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
On 08-Mar-99 Oz Dror wrote: When I type ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 route add -net 127.0.0.0 I get SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument 2.2.x (and later 2.1.x) kernels do not need route statements. Unless you have to set a gateway that is non-obvious.
RE: Laptop install Help Needed
On 08-Mar-99 Chris Brown wrote: Hello, I'm a newbie to Linux and want to install debian on my laptop as my primary (only) machine, its a compaq armada 1535 w/ 3com 3c575 pcmcia ethernet. there is now a debian-laptop list. You can ask laptop specific questions there. 1. I'm not using the tecra version disks, but have not had any lockups with the standard ones I'm using. Which is the right choice? If you needed a tecra disk, you would have used it (-: 2. I can't get the machine to talk on the network. How do I do this? I know there are a hundred right answers to this question, I'm looking for the easiest/quickest ways How do I get 3c575 support? I'm not sure I'm up to compiling a kernel yet. Should I consider other pcmcia cards that I have access to like NE200 or 3c589, or is pcmcia problematic and should I look for a pocket adatper or something else? Grab the latest pcmcia-cs package from unstable. The one in hamm lacks support for many 100mbit based cards. Unfortunately, if the kernel version of the package does not match your kernel, a recompile is needed. This is VERY easy. Just install the kernel-package and read the docs. 3. Once I get the network working should I use NFS or FTP to access the packages? (are there important pro's and con's of each?) Either on a local network. Just depends on which one works fastest and easiest for you. Over ppp at home I would definately suggest ftp.
Re: Kernel Image
At 3/7/99 11:57:00 AM, you wrote: Did you install the kernel-image-...deb file (in the directory above the one with the source code) using dpkg? I used Dselect and installed the kernel source package. Doug Dine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.xoom.com/dougdine http://members.xoom.com/loveless NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html
Compiling Kernel
Hi, I am going to compile the kernel again as the first attempt apparently didn't suceed. My users manual describes the steps as follows. Is this correct? 1. change to directory /usr/src/linux 2. make config 3. make dep ; make clean 4. make zImage 5. make modules 6. make modules_install Doug Dine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.xoom.com/dougdine http://members.xoom.com/loveless NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html
RE: Compiling Kernel
On 08-Mar-99 Doug Dine wrote: Hi, I am going to compile the kernel again as the first attempt apparently didn't suceed. My users manual describes the steps as follows. Is this correct? 1. change to directory /usr/src/linux 2. make config make menuconfig is a lot easier to handle 3. make dep ; make clean 4. make zImage 5. make modules 6. make modules_install Doug Dine Try installing the kernel-package and use make-kpkg. it will make a deb package of the kernel image and handle all the steps after make config.
Re: I can't believe this
George Bonser wrote: I think these criticisms are overstated in many cases. Ever try to get ppp running on Solaris? I have installed many distributions. The initial install is only a portion of the problem. The rest comes in getting the system configured the way that you need it. That is where Debian excels. I've tried most of the distributions. I started with slackware, dabbled with redhat, tried debian 1.3 but wasn't able to get past dselect back then, used suse for more that a year, and now I'm settled with debian. IMO, dselect takes a little getting used to, but after playing with it for a while, it really is quite powerful. I really like apt though. Debian has been the *easiest* to get a ppp connection up and running. I've never really had any problem with X, except for my early experiences with trident card (don't go there!). I can't really find any criticisms that were mentioned that reading through the docs, or asking on this list wouldn't solve. Maybe one of us should write a rebuttal to point out the author's misconceptions about debian. Maybe it might even get published. Oh, BTW, has anyone ever tried porting the SuSE sax X configuration program to Debian? I downloaded the source but have not gotten it to build yet ... still shanging stuff in Makefiles, etc. I don't know, but if you manage, let us know. sax is one of the programs I miss from SuSE. Mark
Re: uploading a website (reverse mirror)?
Thus spake Frankie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I have a slow modem. My website is ~9MB. When I change files in it, I don't want to have to a) upload the whole site or b) remember which files I've changed, and upload them manually. mirrordir works very nicely for this purpose, and more. You can use it to transfer only new / changed files, optionally delete no longer existent files, handle permissions, and such. It's very robust mirroring and synchronisation program, I think it's defiantly worth your consideration. -- .oO,.. oneiros ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ..,Oo. ... and the `fortune -s` for this e-mail is ... Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art. -- Charles McCabe
Re: I can't believe this
On 1999-03-07 22:47, Mark Wagnon wrote: George Bonser wrote: I've tried most of the distributions. I started with slackware, dabbled with redhat, tried debian 1.3 but wasn't able to get past dselect back then, used suse for more that a year, and now I'm settled with debian. Nothing beats the Windows installation feeling - click next, set time, click next you're doing GREAT, click yeah, select printer, click next. Done (of course I'm leaving out the 3, 5 or 10 reboots). The clicking gives some accomplishment and there are visual feedback that we progressing - doesn't that Printer Test feel good (even when you KNOW that it will work)? [stuff deleted] Maybe one of us should write a rebuttal to point out the author's misconceptions about debian. Maybe it might even get published. I would say the odds are 100 to 1 that the author is going to eat his _opnion_. The odds of getting any response is of course also against you. /Allan -- Allan M. Wind Phone: 781.938.5272 (home) 687 Main St., 2nd fl. Fax:781.938.6641 (fax/modem) Woburn, MA 01801Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home)
Re: Favorite WP/Office software...
Paul Nathan Puri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm curious what people feel is their favorite word processor/ office productivity suite (i.e., star office, word perfect, lyx, TeX, siag office, etc.). EMACS + AucTeX + LaTeX. Only missing thing is a useable UNIX-native free spreadsheet. (I'm running Linux on a 486 so SO is a clear no no for me. Besides, I think that ports like WP and SO are a nice thing, but not the Final Solution. They necessarily have a very un-UNIX-y touch-and-feel. Why escape from Windows to use SO, which tries very hard to look like the Big Stinker? Michael. -- Michael Bonetsmüller The least we can do is wave to each other [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Van der Graaf Generator
re: Laptop install Help Needed
Hello, 2. I can't get the machine to talk on the network. How do I do this? Do you have an IP number for the laptop? Your sysadmin should give/lend you one, and also tell you what the values for broadcast, gateway are. I know there are a hundred right answers to this question, I'm looking for the easiest/quickest ways How do I get 3c575 support? I'm not sure I'm up to compiling a kernel yet. Should I As of the pcmcia 2.9.6, driver I am not sure 3c575 is supported. 3c589 is. I am not sure, but hamm/slink may have built-in pcmcia support. consider other pcmcia cards that I have access to like NE200 or 3c589, or is pcmcia problematic and should I look for a pocket adatper or something else? 3. Once I get the network working should I use NFS or FTP to access the packages? (are there important pro's and con's of each?) It may be easier to do it by ftp, because for nfsm, your sysadmin will need to give you mount authorization on a server. Hope that helps, Etienne
Re: printer_help_please?
Harold G. Stevenson: ... Status: cannot open '/dev/lp1' - 'Device or resource busy', attempt 34, sleeping 20 at 10:34:02 What else is using /dev/lp1? fuser -v /dev/lp1 (That's if you have the psmisc package.) Jiri -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll know the future has arrived when every mailer transparently quotes lines that begin with From , but no-one remembers why.
Re: Undersanding bootable media
Marlon Urias: In my quest to understand booting/LILO/MBR's I've come a cross a phenomenon I dont understand. Friend of mine (linux guru-ish) said that to make a linux bootable floppy you had to use a lowlevel tool like dd as opposed to just copying the files over to the floppy. Yes. But dos floppies boot just fine by making copies of other dos boot disks. That's because every DOS floppy has a valid boot sector on it. Try looking at the first sector of a DOS floppy (umount /dev/fd0; less -f /dev/fd0). Daniel J. Brosemer: ... (I'm not real clear on whether floppies have an MBR or just Hard Disks do). No, they don't - they just have a Boot Sector. Hard disks have a Boot sector in each partition, so there's a Master Boot Record at the start that decides which of the partitions will be booted. BTW, if you want to play with boot sectors, be aware that DOS in its infinite wisdom keeps drive geometry there. Even when there's a perfectly good partition table nearby, it still takes the data from the Boot sector. Short answer: There are non-files which are important and I would guess that you are using a lowlevel tool in DOS without knowing it. No, it's because all DOS-formatted floppies already have a boot sector. Your friend is correct when he says you must use a lowlevel tool. Yup. The DOS boot sector doesn't work for linux. HTH Jiri -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll know the future has arrived when every mailer transparently quotes lines that begin with From , but no-one remembers why.
APT: packages held back
[Note: this is a repost, since nobody responded to it, yet I find it hard to believe that nobody knows the answer to my question.] Hi, Yesterday I wondered how much MBs I'd have to download to upgrade my hamm system (plus *some* slink stuff in there) to slink, so I set my sources.list and did 'apt-get update' + 'apt-get upgrade' (and answered 'no' ;). This showed numerous packages as being 'kept back': The following packages have been kept back zgv libtiff3g-dev mc most aalib1 lynx eeyes xv ncftp gnome-panel xbase aumix elvis g++ util-linux imlib-progs xemacs20-nomule tk8.0 minicom jdk1.1-dev apache transfig whiptail libreadlineg2-dev dialog gnome-utils tk8.0-dev libobgnome0 octave screen tcl8.0-dev libgtkxmhtml0 xemacs20-bin tcl8.0 xdelta bsdmainutils libjpeg-progs egcc ddd xserver-common ncurses-bin gdb netstd bash libtiff3g kbd xpaint gnome-core libgpmg1 procps joe dpkg ncftp libobgtk1 gpm libgnome0 gimp tcsh-i18n statserial bc ae less lftp rpm libreadlineg2 tcsh tya Now to my understanding this means that these packages *are* already installed, but will not be upgraded to the versions in slink because of some potential dependency/conflict problems. What kind of effect will this have on my system? How to find out what kind of conflicts there are, and how to go about to fix them? I also have a remark concerning the current apt package in slink: Although the man-pages refer to documentation in /usr/doc/apt (ie. guide.text.gz), these documents are no longer available. My previous version of apt (0.16-1 I think, pretty old), did have these docs in the package. Could this be considered as a bug? Maarten -- Maarten Boekhold, [EMAIL PROTECTED] TIBCO Finance Technology Inc. The Atrium Strawinskylaan 3051 1077 ZX Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 3012158, fax: +31 20 3012358 http://www.tibco.com
Re: GUI stuff
On Tue, Feb 16, 1999 at 04:24:12PM -0600, Havoc Pennington wrote: Gnome has two faces. From the developer's point of view it is an application development framework. It adds a lot of useful widgets to Gtk, adds some convenience functions, adds some things like configuration file loading/saving, adds CORBA (analagous to DCOM), adds image file loading, etc. This is all in the 'gnome-libs' package. The other face of Gnome is a desktop environment and set of applications built using the developer's framework. However, if you use the framework your users are not forced to use Gnome; gnome-apt, for example, runs just fine without any of the desktop stuff installed. (The desktop environment includes a file manager like Windows Explorer, a start-menu type thing, etc.) I am wondering which part of gnome-libs gnome-apt uses. I would imagine it to have little use for image file manipulation and CORBA, for example. So does it use some of the added widgets? Or configuration file management? Joeri van Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: route: SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
I assume you're running with a 2.2.x kernel? If so, you just need to
add netmask ???.???.???.??? to the route add -net command. The
2.0.x kernel series would supply it's own default value if none was
specifically given, but in 2.2.x that is no longer the case.
Also, the kernel will now automatically generate a network-route when
you ifconfig the interface (the loopback device seems to be an
exception), so you may be able to remove the route commands entirely.
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:41:11PM -0800, Oz Dror wrote:
When I type
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add -net 127.0.0.0
I get
SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
When I type
IPADDR=192.168.0.4
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
NETWORK=192.168.0.0
BROADCAST=192.168.0.255
GATEWAY=192.168.0.4
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
route add -net ${NETWORK}
I get the same error
but my network works fine.
if I type
ping 192.168.0.1 it works
Any help will be appreciated.
What is the equivalent of these commands when using IP_ALIAS
Hamm -- Slink now no color ....
I have recently upgraded to slink and now the following apps only display in monochrome: lynx 2.8.1rel.2 mutt 0.95.3i slrn 0.9.5.3 I don't get any error mesages and the config files are set to use color. (minicom is still in color)
Re: Favorite WP/Office software...
I'm curious what people feel is their favorite word processor/ office productivity suite I use primarily WordPerfect and StarOffice. Out of these two I think WordPerfect is a more elegant program/environment. WP is definitely faster loading and I tend to use it more. However, I think SO's Word97 filter is much better than WP's, so I wind up using that a lot to import Word documents. -- Regards, | REDMOND, WA (API) --- MICROSOFT (MSFT) announced today . | the the official release date for the new operating Randy | system Windows 2000 will be delayed until the second | quarter of 1901 due to year 2000 problems.
Re: I can't believe this
Yeah, and a whole bunch of other people. Basicly the article's slant is be afraid of Debian, be very afraid. I couldn't believe the way they portrayed Debian as a commercial product -- even the X days of support (that's your job George:-). The one strong positive they noted -- the package management -- wasn't explained very clearly at all. Gosh, after reading that article you'd wonder how Debian became the second-largest Linux...what a bunch of idiots we are for running it, eh?! :-) I think this calls for a calm, well-reasoned letter (perhaps from the project leader or someone in a Debian position of authority?) explaining the non-commercial slant of Debian and correcting a few errors. -- Regards, | REDMOND, WA (API) --- MICROSOFT (MSFT) announced today . | the the official release date for the new operating Randy | system Windows 2000 will be delayed until the second | quarter of 1901 due to year 2000 problems.
Re: Repartition
Mark Yobb dixit: A rough step by step would help me out a whole bunch. Thanks You might copy the whole filesystem (or by directories) to a different location. That depends on whether you have an empty partition where to do this, or a tape drive like a zip drive. A straight forward method would be by using the `cp' (copy) command or, if you have not enough space available you could use `tar' (to archive and compress). In either case you should keep in mind the need to preserve file and directories permissions as they are, as well as to copying symbolic links as such, and not as files. This can be achieved by passing the `a' option to the copy command (`cp -a'), or the `preserve' option to the tar command (`tar --preserve') (I haven't tried it with tar, but in theory, ^ `tar --preserve -zcvvf filename' should work). You should have a thorough reading of the Hard-Disk-Upgrade mini-howto, as Tom Pfeifer suggested. Also, have a look at `man cp' and `man tar'. Now, if you change the partition you will have to reflect this on your /etc/fstab file. For instance, if you currently have the entire Linux on /dev/hda2, and decide to make several logical partitions out of it, so that different partitions hold different directories, then you should change /etc/fstab to something like this: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hda2 / ext2defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/hda3 noneswapsw 0 0 proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/hda4 /usr ext2 defaults 0 2 /dev/hda5 /home ext2defaults0 2 /dev/hda6 /usr/local ext2defaults0 2 /dev/hda7 /varext2defaults0 2 For all the above you will need a boot disk with which to run fdisk, repartition, and then replacing the filesystem. A more secure way to do this would be to just copying those directories where you have your personal data, such as /home, /root, /etc, (probably /var, and /usr/local if you have installed programs there)... then resizing the partition and reinstalling Debian. After that, you'll just have to replace the directories you want to preserve. This way is more secure and less painful, in my opinion. Whichever method you choose (the ones mentioned, those in Hard-Disk-Upgrade mini-howto, or else) plan it carefully before starting, as you risk loosing data or worst if you make a silly mistake. Finally, wait for some more insights on this message, since I do decline all responsibility on any damages this may cause. One problem I did find was that `cp -a' did not preserve /tmp and /var/tmp permissions (drwxrwxrwt), and since some programs could not write to them (eg. mutt), they would not properly work until I restored them to their original permission by hand. Good luck, Horacio.
Re: APT: packages held back
This showed numerous packages as being 'kept back': Packages are held back when you choose Hold in dselect. When there are dependancy/conflict errors apt tells you. Regards Sarel Botha
Re: Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit: I would like to invest in Linux but can't find a stock in that name -- can you help Could anyone check if the real sender behind this email might be someone at the M$ Corporation? ;o)
X-Window and AfterStep
After adding new applications (eg. /opt/netscape/netscape), to /etc/X11/afterstep/menudefs.hook, the menu works fine for a while, but after some time, menudefs.hook goes back to its original configuration, wiping out any trace of the new additions (well, it keeps them on menudefs.hook~). What's the reason for such behaviour? Also, I can run `startx' as a normal user, and even as root, though I can't run it if I'm logged in as SU, is this normal? homega:~# startx bash: startx: command not found TIA, Horacio.
Re: APT: packages held back
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This showed numerous packages as being 'kept back': Packages are held back when you choose Hold in dselect. When there are dependancy/conflict errors apt tells you. So, does this mean I'll have to go into dselect and see if these packages are placed on hold? I wonder how this happens, cos for sure I never did this myself, and I can't remember ever having had serious problems with dpkg etc. which might have automagically marked these packages as on hold. Maarten -- Maarten Boekhold, [EMAIL PROTECTED] TIBCO Finance Technology Inc. The Atrium Strawinskylaan 3051 1077 ZX Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 3012158, fax: +31 20 3012358 http://www.tibco.com
Re: CD-R Win95 to Debian
I did this when 2.0 came out. The Debian distribution is available as an ISO image under here: ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/pub/linux/debian-cd/ (there are other mirrors; take a look at http://cdimage.debian.org/) Debian cautions you from simply mirroring the ftp.debian.org site, because of the special directory structure and the liberal amount of symbolic links. Use the ISO images. I used Gear, but any pgm that can handle an ISO (RAW) image should be able to handle it. Bear in mind these are 600MB files; not only do they take a while, but it is risky to d'load a file that large and burn a useable cd from it. Definately do a test run first to be sure your image is good. If you're installing from a machine that is live on the net, use the FTP installation instead. Not only is it really cool to be able to install your OS from the net, but you won't waste time getting packages you won't use. Brian Clark wrote: SNIP, SNIP: Content edited to run in the time allotted I have a cd-writer, so I would love to be able to make my own Debian CD from the files at the Debian.org FTP. Has anyone done/tried this? I have heard that there is a special way that one would have to do this (maybe a special program), in order for this to work - i.e., write to cd-r and be able to install Debian from that homegrown cd-r. I would be writing the Debian CD on a Win95 machine with files downloaded via FTP, and I would love to know if there are any problems in doing so. Thanks - Brian -- eric Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.bigfoot.com/~eafarris Microcomputer Support Specialist Academic Computing Frostburg State University www.frostburg.edu Wealth is not acquired by taking the most from others, but by giving the most away.
Re: beowulf clusters?
Paul Nathan Puri [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do nodes in a beowulf cluster all have to have the same hw configuration? or can different types of intel based configurations work? There is no reason for the nodes to have the same hardware, or even the same kind of hardware--lots of people run with intel, alphas, and sparcs simultaneously. The node-node communication software (pvm, mpi, etc) handles big/little-endian translations transparently. System administration-type issues are obviously simpler with uniform hardware, but most people use whatever hardware they can scrounge up. BTW, these sorts of questions will find more knowledgeable readers in the beowulf mail-list. NatePuri Certified Law Student Debian GNU/Linux Monk McGeorge School of Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ompages.com --Norris -- Dr. Norris Preyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept. of Physics and Astronomy (843) 953-7997 (voice) College of Charleston (843) 953-4824 (fax) Charleston, SC 29424 http://galaxy.cofc.edu/
Re: APT: packages held back
So, does this mean I'll have to go into dselect and see if these packages are placed on hold? I wonder how this happens, cos for sure I yip never did this myself, and I can't remember ever having had serious problems with dpkg etc. which might have automagically marked these packages as on hold. i'm not sure if dpkg ever puts packages on hold, i sure do though
kernel 2.2.2
Hi, I am getting some strange kernel messages. I did not happen before. If I run a dmesg, the following is what I get, anyone know what it is?? Thx. bmap of 3a2,block 155 is 6fe6 super 200 bmap 156 result 6fe7 bmap of 3a2,block 156 is 6fe7 super 200 bmap 157 result 6fe8 bmap of 3a2,block 157 is 6fe8 super 200 bmap 160 result 6ff1 bmap of 3a2,block 160 is 6ff1 super 200 bmap 161 result 6ff2 bmap of 3a2,block 161 is 6ff2 super 200 bmap 162 result 6ff3 bmap of 3a2,block 162 is 6ff3 super 200 bmap 163 result 6ff4 bmap of 3a2,block 163 is 6ff4 super 200 bmap 164 result 6ff5 bmap of 3a2,block 164 is 6ff5 super 200 bmap 165 result 6ff6 bmap of 3a2,block 165 is 6ff6 super 200 bmap 166 result 6ff7 bmap of 3a2,block 166 is 6ff7 super 200 bmap 167 result 6ff8 bmap of 3a2,block 167 is 6ff8 super 200 Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _ Department of Communications/ __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |___/ _
failing print jobs
Hi all, I have a print setup with lpr from the lpr package, and simple print filters using gs. If for some reason gs fails, lpr keeps retrying to print the file anyway, and the result is a loop that doesn't end until the print job is removed with lprm. Is there anything that can be done about this? Usually retries make no sense, since the problem is that gs cannot deal with a particular file, and it stays this way, no matter how many tries are made. Eric -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054
Re: Qmail to Exim woes
Subject: Re: Qmail to Exim woes Date: Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:58:20PM +0200 In reply to:Johann Spies Quoting Johann Spies([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my questions are : Is the eximconfig script setting exim up for anyone else? It did not work for me. I had a lot of trouble getting exim to work in a similar setup than yours. People on this list helped me otherwise I would not have succeeded. Johann Thanks. I finally got it working. I think that the exim config script lead me down the garden path. After a lot of reading and changing the exim.conf script, I finally got it working. Now if I could only get it to send mail while my crom job was getting mail I would be a happy camper. And George likes this better then qmail Wayne -- A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming is not worth knowing. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: I can't believe this
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:43:11PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Ben Collins wrote: Aside from the obvious errors, I think we should note the criticisms, they are actually quite true (they didn't beat around the bush when mentioning them either). Ben, I think these criticisms are overstated in many cases. Ever try to get ppp running on Solaris? I have installed many distributions. The initial install is only a portion of the problem. The rest comes in getting the system configured the way that you need it. That is where Debian excels. Yes, I have gotten Solaris's PPP configured and, yes it did suck royally. But that's not the point, Debian does have short comings, and poeple are aware of them. No matter how much they overstated it, we need to address these issues. Oh, BTW, has anyone ever tried porting the SuSE sax X configuration program to Debian? I downloaded the source but have not gotten it to build yet ... still shanging stuff in Makefiles, etc. Some one is messing with RedHat's Xconfigurator. -- --- - - --- - - - --- Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux OpenLDAP Core - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] UnixGroup Admin - Jordan Systems The Choice of the GNU Generation -- -- - - - --- --- -- - - --- - --
Re: Smartlist not sending to sender
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Erik Forsberg wrote: I'm using smartlist for some small mailinglists on a Debian machine (I hope this isn't too offtopic) Is there a way to configure smartlist NOT to distribute a message to the sender of the message ? I don't want my own postings. Short answer: no, that I know of. If you don't want your own postings, you may divert them to /dev/null using procmail. (I would not recommend this, I like to receive my own postings, tyis way I know that they reached the list). Thanks.
writing device drivers for fbsd
What is a good reference to learn to to write device drivers for fbsd? I remember some recommended a good book a few months ago but forgot to save the message. I saw Writing Unix Device Drivers by George Pajari, this weekend at the store,is this a good book? Where would I look in the kernel source to find out that functions the kernel exports for driver usage and driver interfaces? Thanks, Wayne
Re: Favorite WP/Office software...
On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Paul Nathan Puri wrote: I'm curious what people feel is their favorite word processor/ office productivity suite (i.e., star office, word perfect, lyx, TeX, siag office, etc.). I have WP8 and Staroffice 4. I use WP8 most of the time just to read documents created by other user's mostly on Windows. Of Staroffice I only use the spreadsheet. I do my own wordprocessing work on emacs + Latex | auctex. Sometimes I do a less complex jobs using Lyx, but I prefer emacs + latex. Johann. -- | Johann Spies Windsorlaan 19 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]3201 Pietermaritzburg | | Tel/Faks Nr. +27 331-46-1310 Suid-Afrika (South Africa) | -- Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart; and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Matthew 11:28,29
Using Procmail
Hi, Currently I am using fetchmail and pine to get the mail from my isp account and to read/send the messages respectively. As the number of messages I am getting has increased, I am feeling the need to use procmail to sort the mail into different folders. How do I go about putting the messages in different folders (should be readable by pine)? Much of the documentation talks about MH folders. Are they same? TIA, sridhar Sridhar M. A. Department of Physics University of Mysore, Manasagangotri Mysore 570 006, INDIA Tel: +91-821-516133 Fax: +91-821-516133 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: I can't believe this
On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 00:22 -0500, Brian Clark wrote: If you're trying Linux for the first time, Red Hat is the best choice. If I had to choose for the first time again, there is no doubt in my mind that I would go with Debian. Period. As horrible as it sounds I think I would have to agree that RedHat is probably better for the first time linux user. The reason? Well, in Hamm the installation process was an utter mess. The lilo setup was _bad_, and the options were far from obvious. X windows installation didn't work first time round, so I had to reinstall completely to a base system. It was in fact as bad as the very OS we are trying to get users away from. That said once it's up and running Debian is far better than RH. The fact that there are strict guidelines where packages should place stuff makes life so much easier it's just not funny. The documentation is way better, and the community spirit is very strong. Hopefully the dreadful installation process has been sorted out for Slink, and that recommendation can be changed to Debian. Cheers Dave -- Dave Swegen | Debian 2.0 on Linux i386 2.2.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available on request [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation --
Re: Hamm -- Slink now no color ....
On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 06:00 -0500, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: I have recently upgraded to slink and now the following apps only display in monochrome: lynx 2.8.1rel.2 mutt 0.95.3i slrn 0.9.5.3 I don't get any error mesages and the config files are set to use color. (minicom is still in color) You need to install the xbase package (well, that is what fixed the same problem for me). Cheers Dave -- Dave Swegen | Debian 2.0 on Linux i386 2.2.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available on request [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation --
dselect problem
Dear Sir I have just installed debian 2.0.36 slink on hda5. I have make a connection with my 'ISP. When I use dselect and fillin in apt acquistion ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian he still says ftp_connect : Could not connect. What could be wrong. Any help would be appriciated Mans Joling
Re: ppp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *- On 5 Mar, Ole J. Tetlie wrote about ppp I'm having a little trouble with ppp. Everything seems normal until the line with Hangup. I don't know why that happens. Are you using PAP or CHAP authentication? It looks like the type of behavior I had when I had my authentication wrong. PAP on both ends. debug is on, but it doesn't seem like anything is sent at all. Maybe this is too obvious to suggest, but could it be that the ppp module isn't being loaded or that you forgot to recompile your kernel with ppp support? I think what you described is exactly what happens when ppp isn't compiled in. I once recompiled my kernel 3 or 4 times (on a 486!), thinking I had got the options wrong, when I'd just been messing up the part where I re-ran lilo. D'oh! Kirk
Re: failing print jobs
E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: Hi all, I have a print setup with lpr from the lpr package, and simple print filters using gs. If for some reason gs fails, lpr keeps retrying to print the file anyway, and the result is a loop that doesn't end until the print job is removed with lprm. Is there anything that can be done about this? Usually retries make no sense, since the problem is that gs cannot deal with a particular file, and it stays this way, no matter how many tries are made. Did you run magicfilterconfig first? If so, I don't know if this will help, but I had problems with printing too. I would get partial printouts, and some docs wouldn't even print at all. I switched gs with gs-aladdin and that fixed my problem. If you're trying to stick with a 'free' system, then I believe that gs-aladdin is in the non-free section. HTH Mark
Re: dselect problem
[Please disable the HTML. This is mail, not the web] On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 17:04:33 +0100, Mans Joling wrote: When I use dselect and fillin in apt acquistion [1]ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian he still says ftp_connect : Could not connect. Can you ping ftp.de.debian.org? Can you connect via ftp manually? Does using a /etc/apt/sources.list like this work? deb http://sunsite.org.uk/pub/unix/Linux/debian stable main contrib non-free deb ftp://nonUS.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US HTH, Ray -- UNFAIR Term applied to advantages enjoyed by other people which we tried to cheat them out of and didn't manage. See also DISHONESTY, SNEAKY, UNDERHAND and JUST LUCKY I GUESS. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
Re: I can't beleive this
Hi All, Much as I hated to, I had to crank up my win95 drive (the list won't accept my linux root email. I know! I know!) and forward the following email to the list. I sent this last night to the PC Magazine Editor. I hope others with more experience than I with Debian also write. I think what insulted me the most was the casual way he blew off the system. He evidently didn't find it worthy enought to even attempt to be correct. John Carline P.S. I'm a fairly new linux user and I actually like dselect. Should I seek counseling? :) From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Larry Seltzer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I've been a subscriber to the ZDNET newsletter for years and am currently a subscriber to Computer Shopper. Lately I've been encouraged by the increasing coverage of linux on ZDNet. (Linux is the system I use 95% of the time.) I was hoping that magazines like PC Mag would begin to honestly cover the OS. Perhaps they would then be worth a subscription. As it is now, the only Magazines of value to me are Computer Shopper and the Linux Gazette and I have subscriptions to both. The Linux distribution I use is Debian, and today I was shocked by your article on Debian. Is that review typical of PC Magazine quality??? If any employee of mine submitted a report with as many errors as the review of Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 by Larry Seltzer, he/she would be out of a job within the hour. I'd list all the errors, but it would take too long. The only thing he got right is the name Debian. He doesn't have a clue who distributes the system or what it costs, so I guess I shouldn't expect him to know that it's the largest distribution (1800 to 2000+ programs depending on the version) and arguably the best system out there. Disappointed and Disgusted John Carline Powered by the Penguin
Re: I can't believe this
In a message dated 3/7/99 10:45:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 ($38.95 direct) ... ...Windows users should steer clear of Debian. I completely agree. Your forget, the targe of Windows is those people that DON'T know an IRQ from an I/O address. Windows takes all the work (or is supposed to) out of configuring and running your system. I'd say 99% of the people running Windows would be forever lost in Debian/Linux. I've been working on PCs since 1980/81 and it took me several months to be able to run Linux/Debian with any effectivness - and I *DO* know and IRQ from and I/O address. ...The company says it will include a new application installer in Debian GNU/Linux 2.1. Uhm, which company would this be? ...Debian is distributed by Linux Press... I do have a problem with this - it shows lack of research on ZDNet's part - which isn't entirely unsusual. Yeah, and a whole bunch of other people. Basicly the article's slant is be afraid of Debian, be very afraid. Again, this article was written for the person who is new to Linux, and I agree - for the newbie - be afraid. It can be done, but it takes HOURS of work and HOURS of reading. Most new users of an operating system aren't going to want to mess with it. I have to admit, there were several times even *I* was ready to delete everything Linux on my PC - but my continual displeasure with everything MicroSoft kept me going. Having said that, there really isn't anything productive I can do with my Linux box - yet. I do have WP on it, but hardly use it. I can browse the net - which is nice, but I can do that in Win95 too. I still use my Win box for Quicken and AOL - two apps I use constantly - and neither of which will run on Linux. -Jay
Re: Laptop install Help Needed
In a message dated 3/7/99 11:55:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm a newbie to Linux and want to install debian on my laptop as my primary (only) machine, its a compaq armada 1535 w/ 3com 3c575 pcmcia ethernet. there is now a debian-laptop list. You can ask laptop specific questions there. Another great source of laptop info - Go to www.linux.org - then select the hardware section - and find the info about running Debian/Linux on a laptop.
Reoccuring Problem with network
Well it seems to happen every 16 days or so. My home Linux box that I use as my IPmasq dial up box for my home network his not connecting with most of the standard network (client/server) apps. Now, when my system is at home and make a PPP connection to the Internet, I cannot use the clients on that server to get anywhere (with Lynx, FTP, telnet, etc). Ssh, however, does work and I can use that to get anyone of my Debian servers. This is not just limited to traffic through PPP it holds true for the home networked machines as well via ethernet. Here is what I get in my log file on the SERVER end at work when I try to FTP home my home dial up box: Mar 8 11:05:54 torch wu-ftpd[686]: warning: can't get client address: Connection reset by peer Mar 8 11:05:54 torch wu-ftpd[686]: connect from unknown Mar 8 11:05:54 torch syslog: getpeername (wu-ftpd): Transport endpoint is not connected Mar 8 11:05:57 torch wu-ftpd[686]: FTP session closed This has happened two other times, and I have noticed it after 16 days of uptime on my client box (home dial up). A reboot will fix the problem, but I would like to know what is going on. --Jay Barbee
portforwarding question
Hello again, I have a web site on my Debian box visible to the world. Of course this is using xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80. I also have an internal web site visible to the world using portforwarding xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:port. Question 1- Which port(s) should I forward to allow this visibility and not overrun my real web site already on port 80? Question 2- This internal site is a management tool for my bridge. I am not too worried about security on that site. Does having a port opened exposes me to other site security issues? As always, Thanks for the great help on this list! -Bill - This mail sent through IMP: http://web.horde.org/imp/
Re: Using Procmail
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, XRDLAB wrote: Currently I am using fetchmail and pine to get the mail from my isp account and to read/send the messages respectively. As the number of messages I am getting has increased, I am feeling the need to use procmail to sort the mail into different folders. How do I go about putting the messages in different folders (should be readable by pine)? Please, read: /usr/doc/procmail/QuickStart Thanks.
Re: is postgresql free?
On Fri Mar 5, 1999, Eliezer Figueroa wrote: can I have unlimited clients conected to postgresql with no licese payment. Yes. See http://www.postgresql.org for more info. Noel
Re: Using Procmail
Try searching yahoo for the mail filtering faq, as it has all the info you need. Note though that if you are running exim as your MTA you need to use a different .forward. I use this: # Exim filter pipe /usr/bin/procmail -f- Cheers Dave On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 20:41 +0530, XRDLAB wrote: Hi, Currently I am using fetchmail and pine to get the mail from my isp account and to read/send the messages respectively. As the number of messages I am getting has increased, I am feeling the need to use procmail to sort the mail into different folders. How do I go about putting the messages in different folders (should be readable by pine)? Much of the documentation talks about MH folders. Are they same? TIA, sridhar Sridhar M. A. Department of Physics University of Mysore, Manasagangotri Mysore 570 006, INDIA Tel: +91-821-516133 Fax: +91-821-516133 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Dave Swegen | Debian 2.0 on Linux i386 2.2.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available on request [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation --
Re: Vote Linus for Person of the Century
Frankie wrote: George Bonser wrote: On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just did, but is this list not moderated, Jesus Christ is so far I now, from a different century and he is on top? Matth Don't even think Linus should BE the person of the century. That honor probably goes to Thomas Edison. We owe our current culture and style of living to that guy. His experiments with his lightbulb led to the discovery of the Edison effect which led DeForest to do some more experiments which led to the Vacuum Tube which led to the Transistor, which lead to the IC Chip. Not only was Edison's work responsible for laying the ground work for radio and television, he also played vital roles in bringing motion pictures and recorded music to the public. True. I agree with you about electricity. It has made a HUGE impact on our lives. So, I nominate gallileo, because (if I'm wrong, subsitute some ridiculously ancient bod that experimented with electricity) he messed about with electricity and frogs legs. This directly led to further experimentation by a variety of scientists, (including Edison) which ultimately led to a complete change in our [the western world's] lifestyles. That doesn't sound right. Wasn't it Galvani, perhaps? WRT Linus, let's save him or Stallman for the 21st Century. They'll still be around, God willing, and I suspect their impact will be far greater then. In fact, I suspect it will be the century in which issues of information propagation/replication/ownership become recognized as overridingly serious (like fightin'-and-dyin' serious).
Re: Compiling Kernel
Hi, I am going to compile the kernel again as the first attempt apparently didn't suceed. My users manual describes the steps as follows. Is this correct? 1. change to directory /usr/src/linux 2. make config Or, if under X, make xconfig. Which is a GUI, lets you jump from one section to another without having to cycle through everything. 3. make dep ; make clean 4. make zImage Or make bzImage, depending upon how many things you want to include in your kernel. There is a size limit on uncompressed kernel, before it becomes unbootable, and you have to use bzImage (compressed kernel). 5. make modules If you have any modules to make, that is. 6. make modules_install Same as #5. Andrew --- Andrei S. Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN 12402354 http://members.tripod.com/AnSIv --Little things for Linux.
Re: Vote Linus for Person of the Century
Branden Robinson wrote: Nope I don't think I will vote for any person on the basis of scientific or technical merit. A more global view is required. I was thinking of RMS, too. LOL - Spoken like a true Debian-ite. I'd put RMS #2, right after Mr. T. There is no gravity in space. Then how could astronauts walk around on the Moon? Because they were wearing heavy boots. I always look forward to your mailings, not only for the excellent information, but also for the amusing .sigs. Kirk
Apt 0.3 lost ftp-method ???
Hi, after installing gnome-apt (with the necessary packages from potato) onto my hamm system, apt seems to have lost the ftp method. When I try apt-get update I get: E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/ftp could not be found. Exitcode 100 What happened? Is there any cure except downgrading? Thanks a lot, Andy. -- Andy Spiegl, University of Technology, Muenchen, Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.spiegl.de Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for my PGP key o _ _ _ - __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) --- _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ -- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o_ ~~~
do I need to tell any one....
Do I need to tell anyone that I am going to mirror ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian? this is not a high bandwith link mostly for private use. Can someone do a df -h on ftp.debian.org? I am guessing 3 or four gigs of stuff in /debian/ am I off? ftp://ftp.otak-k.com/debian/ *--* Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *--* Voice: 425.739.4247 *--* Fax: 425.827.9577 *--* HTTP://www.otak-k.com/~lawrence/ -- - - - - - - O t a k i n c . - - - - -
Re: Color Depth [was: X Font Problem]
Ok, guys this is a call for help again. I solved my other problem for now. Blackbox was listed on the first line of my window-managers file. (yes, I'm very new to Linux in general). I changed that first like to Window Maker and now I'm able to get a window manager up. As for the subject line in this email, I'm having a but of a problem with severe dithering. I'm running a pretty typical (I think) video card / display. My video card is a Matrox Millennium 2MB PCI, and my display is an older Gateway 2000 Vivitron 17 Before I became a Debian user, I was running RedHat 5.2 (which was an extreme nightmare for me). Since I switched, I know now that I will never even think of going back to a RedHat system ever again. For one, my system isn't full of crap anymore. Anyway, back to the topic: I setup XFree86 manually, which I didn't have to do with RH 5.2. With RedHat my display looked great, no dithering; it looked like a typical 16 million color display etc..nice looking images etc. As it would appear in Win95 at 1024x768 in 16 bit color or 24 bit color. 2meg card? 1024x768 and 24bpp? hmm... i believe it is impossible and Win95 is lying to you Now, with the Debian system I have now, and the fact that I set up Xfree86 manually using xf86config, I am almost positive that I made a mistake, because I have seen it the way it is supposed to be when I was running RedHell..err Hat. So, does anyone out there in Debian land use a Matrox Millennium 2mb video card (and maybe the same monitor?) that would share their XF86Config file contents with me? Or, at least point me in the right direction? I don't know if I can live with the mess that I'm seeing on my display right now -- crappy colors. AFAIK, I'm running the SVGA server, in 1024x768. If someone can help, what would you need me to post here as far as my setup is concerned? you're probably running at 8bpp... try startx -- -bpp 16 and look what happens Many, many thanks - Brian OK
Nevermind Re: writing device drivers for fbsd
Sorry, wrong list. On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Wayne Cuddy wrote: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:50:07 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Cuddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user list debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: writing device drivers for fbsd Resent-Date: 8 Mar 1999 15:08:25 - Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; What is a good reference to learn to to write device drivers for fbsd? I remember some recommended a good book a few months ago but forgot to save the message. I saw Writing Unix Device Drivers by George Pajari, this weekend at the store,is this a good book? Where would I look in the kernel source to find out that functions the kernel exports for driver usage and driver interfaces? Thanks, Wayne -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: CDROM
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 13:56:02 -0600 Resent-from: debian-user@lists.debian.org From: Gordon von Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; Precedence: list X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-EveryThing: Net-Tamer 1.10.1 Unregistered X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/39574 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Content-Type: text Content-Length: 429 Hello, I tried to install Debian 2.0.2, and it would not recognize my cdrom which is a Nec cd-rom drive:260 ATAPI. Debian says that it is either a cdrom or a floppy, probably a floppy. The cdrom works in Dos and in a previous version of SuSE. Any ideas short of buying a new cdrom? try to set the CD in the BIOS to AUTO Thanks. Gordon OK
Setting time - Question
Hello Debian-user, this might be a stupid newbie question, but I have really tried to figure out how to do this. I would like the clock in my X-window environment to show my local time, not GMT/UTC. When I type in date I get my local time, when I type in date -u I get GMT, but how do I get a clock on my desktop to show local time? It now shows GMTm, which now is 6 hours ahead of me since I am located US CST. I have the understanding the kernel clock is to be set to GMT. Is this right? //Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~cdysthe If everything is coming your way, you are probably in the wrong lane
RE: Setting time - Question
On 08-Mar-99 Christian Dysthe wrote: Hello Debian-user, this might be a stupid newbie question, but I have really tried to figure out how to do this. I would like the clock in my X-window environment to show my local time, not GMT/UTC. When I type in date I get my local time, when I type in date -u I get GMT, but how do I get a clock on my desktop to show local time? It now shows GMTm, which now is 6 hours ahead of me since I am located US CST. I have the understanding the kernel clock is to be set to GMT. Is this right? The clock in BIOS should be set to GMT and the system told the timezone you live in. This will make apps that make correct time calls get the correct time. All the clocks I have access to work if I do this.
Re: I can't believe this
I read similar articles like this too. They are not really biased simply because they promote Redhat's Linux. The Debian system is a collection of high level puzzle pieces that an under-experienced user would have great difficulty using. On the other hand, you have Redhat and Caldera with their user-friendly installs (more or less). The both have config progs for setting up dula-boot boot, X-windows, etc. Much like Windows 95/98. This is why ZDNet does not promote Debian. They don't see any value for someone other than a developer (or developer-like) individual. It's just too difficult for the average person to set up. If Debian wants to reach the same or similar populace, then it's mandatory that simpler installs and configurators be developed. But then, you have volunteers develping Debian. Doing it in their spare time. It will take longer. Others have salaried employees. It makes a difference. It did with me. I'm now taking a course in Linux. It's the only way I can learn it. Dos, Windows, Assembler, AppleDos, etc are all self -intuitive. Linux is not. Any other input? Ed -Original Message- From: George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 04:45 Subject: I can't believe this http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/opensource/390823.html zdnet did a review of Debian. Included are such comments as: Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 ($38.95 direct) ... ...Windows users should steer clear of Debian. ...The company says it will include a new application installer in Debian GNU/Linux 2.1. Uhm, which company would this be? ...Debian is distributed by Linux Press... Yeah, and a whole bunch of other people. Basicly the article's slant is be afraid of Debian, be very afraid. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: I can't believe this
-- Regards, | REDMOND, WA (API) --- MICROSOFT (MSFT) announced today . | the the official release date for the new operating Randy | system Windows 2000 will be delayed until the second | quarter of 1901 due to year 2000 problems. This is really good! I will put this in my scrap book. Ed
Re: Hamm--Slink, now fetchmail/exim behaves strangely
you wrote: Graham Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 02 March, Mark Phillips wrote: I've just upgraded from Hamm to Slink. Fetchmail seems to work the same as before, except that now, only the first 10 messages get to my mail box straight away. I've got the same problem. Strange, isn't it. when looking in the log file there is: no immediate delivery: more than 10 messages received in one connection if you want the other messages immediatly you can do: exim -q I suppose it would be possible to change this behaviour, but I haven't found how; I find it useful for dialup connection, the mail download can be faster when it doesn't deliver simultaneously. I have the exim -q thing in my disconnection script. so the queue is run as soon as the line goes down. (And a fetchmail in the script that runs when the connection is made.) Helge Hafting
