Re: Nombre para las chuletas de Manel (era Re: ¿Decis chuletas en sudamerica?)
Antes de nada, indicaros que La Espiral (www.laespiral.org) ha tomado como nuevo hilo de desarrollo de documentación la idea de Manel de documentos muy cortos y concisos, rápidos de acceder y leer que versen sobre cualquier tema relacionado con configuración o uso de Debian GNU/Linux, Debian GNU/HURD (y lo que pueda ir apareciendo) para la arquitectura que sea (i386, sparc, ppc, ...). Manel ha sido propuesto por La Espiral como coordinador de este hilo de documentación nuevo, papel que aceptó desarrollar. Con esto quiero indicar que el hilo sobre este tema, para no cargar esta lista más, se traspasa a [EMAIL PROTECTED], lista a la cual os invito a que os unáis (mandando subscribe en el campo del asunto o subject a [EMAIL PROTECTED]). ***Cualquiera*** que desee participar en este hilo de documentación de La Espiral puede hacerlo. Todo lo que se desarrolle se pondrá a disposición de todos bajo licencia libre (tanto el interfaz web, programación de base de datos para tal fin, documentos, etc) y nuestro fin último es que sea incluido en Debian, no trabajar como república independiente. Hay mucho por hacer en La Espiral. 1 Respecto a los ducmentos rápidos referidos arriba * Buscar mensajes en las listas con información potencialmente interesante para ser incluida en la base de datos. * Colaborar en la contrucción de la interfaz web, base de datos, etc. * Darle formato XML a los documentos. 2 Respecto a otros documentos * Coordinar la actualización de los manuales y guías inconclusas o viejas del DDP (Debian Documentation Project, www.debian.org/doc/ddp y las que están en el Proyecto de Internacionalización de Debian al Español en www.debian.org/international/spanish/coordinacion). * Escribir documentación, no te cortes, tu puedes ;-) 3 Traducir y desarrollar software (se incluye aquí el empaquetado) * Específico de Debian: apt, debconf, grub, etc. * No específico: cualquier cosa :) 4 Expandir el espíritu del software y documentación libre del Proyecto Debian hasta el infinito y más allá ;-) Ya no hay escusa, cualquiera puede colaborar en Debian y por otra parte hacerla más adecuada a nuestra lengua. ¡Unete!... esto parece un eslogan político :-P~~~, mejor ¡colabora!... no me convence, bueno pillais la idea ¿no? :) Ahora paso a contestar el mensaje de Manel. On mié, nov 01, 2000 at 12:59:46 +0100, Manel Marin wrote: Bueno tenemos chuletas, trencitos, trenes, forros, acordeones, torpedos, copialinas, comprimidos, chivas, machetes, ayudamemorias y sopletes Definitivamente hay que buscar algo más estandar... :) Javier propone recetas, a mi me suena a Hospital y enfermos, de lo que habeis propuesto creo que me gusta más (pero aún dudo): rapiCOMOs (si alguna vez hay que traducirlos fastHOWTOs o quickHOWTOs) Los rapiCOMOs explican COMO hacer algo de forma RÁPIda, ya sea configurar un demonio, un paso concreto de seguridad, etc... Bueno, pues resumiendo creo que hay dos opciones más o menos claras ¿no?: * recetas. * rapiCOMOs (o rapidCOMOs). ¿Que os parece?, ¿receta?, ¿rapiCOMOs?, ¿rapidCOMOs?, ¿COMOrapido?, ¿otro? Yo me quedo con recetas pues a mi me suena a cocina más que a hospital y eso de Cocinando con Debian... que alguien propuso me suena realmente bien, divertido (espíritu genuinamente UNIX) y claro dado que es una palabra del castellano que define exáctamente lo que es y su uso. Con lo fácil que es la idea... Y lo que cuesta encontrarle un nombre bien ¡JE!, dímelo a mi que he creado recientemente dos empresas y lo peor fué la búsqueda de nombre, peor aún que el papeleo. Saludos. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webs: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/viguPersonal PGP public key: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/vigu/vigu.pubkey
Re: Queries a postgres
Hola tenes mayusculas en el nombre del campo? o caracteres raros? Tengo alguna mayuscula, pero crei que SQL era case insensitive ?Me equivoco? Probare con solo minusculas (aunque creo que ya lo hice y hacia lo mismo). Gabriel --- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
Re: Nombre para las chuletas de Manel (era Re: ¿Decis chuletas en sudamerica?)
Quien:Andres Seco Hernandez Cuando: martes, 31 de octubre del 2000, a las 04:31, Qué: Re: Nombre para las chuletas de Manel (era Re: ¿Decis chuletas en sudamerica?) [...] Coña, os podiais unir al LDP (Linux Documentation Project) y añadir documentos (o crear las fichas estas si no existe un tipo de documento como este). ¿Fichas ...? Tampoco me suena mal ese nombre ... ¿Que opinan ...? Hala! A discutir que esto no creo que sea un [AL MARGEN] = [OFF TOPIC] Saludos a todas ... -- Mi frase del dia: #--# Los militares cuentan demasiado con la fuerza, y los politicos cuentan demasiado con la habilidad. -- Tournier. #--# =8= ___ _ / ___|_ _| (_) ___ Grupo de Usuarios de LInux de Canarias | | _| | | | | |/ __| Pasate por nuestro web | |_| | |_| | | | (__ http://www.gulic.org/ \|\__,_|_|_|\___| Clave GPG en las paginas de Gulic Clave GPG en search.keyserver.net Key fingerprint = F734 17F5 3AB6 E1F6 11C4 B498 5B3E FEDF 90DF =8= pgpA7NxLyxzkN.pgp Description: PGP signature
pregunta sobre correo
hola, he configurado el e-mail con fetchmail pero al intentar bajarme el correo me aparecen estos mensajes de error: fetchmail: Fallo en la conección SMTP a localhost fechmail:error Transacción SMTP durante recepción pop.inicia.es fetchmail:Query status=10 (SMTP) Si alguien puede ayudarme... Muchas gracias
suscribe
-- Juantomás García http://www.disoft.esComite Organizador Expo-Linux 2001 http://www.lared.es http://www.expo-linux.com
Lista de correo sobre C
¿Conoce alguien una lista de correo sobre programación en C? Preferiblemente en español. Gracias por adelantado. -- Luis Arocha Hernandez Data [EMAIL PROTECTED], Islas Canarias - Spain _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/ GPG Key? mail -s send key [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null pgpzU5n4XMjfE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pregunta sobre correo
Carlos Mestre wrote: Hola quisiera preguntar una duda:Cuando ejecuto fetchmail para bajarme el correo me lo baja pero despues si ejecuto algun programa como el mutt no tengo ningun mensaje ni tampoco se me crea el archivo inbox en la carpeta mail de mi usuario, ¿a que puede ser debido? Muchas gracias El correo lo tendrás seguramente almacenado en el buzón del sistema que cada usuario tiene en Linux: /var/spool/mail/tu_nombre_de_usuario (si usas sendmail). Cambia en Mutt a este buzón para leer el correo. Un saludo,
Re: ¿Programa de bolsa?
El Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 12:22:50PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] contaba: Permita bajarse de internet las cotizaciones de bolsa (IBEX) automáticamente cada día. Permita realizar gráficos con estas cotizaciones (medias móviles, etc) ¿Tenemos algo parecido a esto en debian?. ¿Porque hay algo que haga eso para Windows de gratis? Si tal me lo dices ;-) Aquí en Linux tenemos el GStalker, que muestra graficas de cotizaciones con diversas alertas e indicadores (medias y cosas de estas). La verdad es que funciona y tiene una pinta bestial (aunque yo no le he sacado demasiado beneficio). El programa incluye la posibilidad de bajarse cotizaciones, pero creo que sólo de Yahoo USA (no tengo muy claro pero a lo mejor tambien te permiten bajarte cotizaciones españolas desde ahí). Yo lo que utilizo es el GStalker 1.1 (que venía en Slink) porque no quiero instalarme Gnome, y me bajo las cotizaciones automáticamente con un pequeño script Perl. PS/ Y si te interesa el GStalker te puedo pasar mis históricos de al menos hace un año. -- Saudos: ose[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vigo/Galicia/España) http://pagina.de/xmanoel/ http://w3.to/mikkeli/ 10/30 (10/30/1888) Ball point pen patented (John J. Loud). 10/30 (10/30/1821) Feodor Mikhailovich Dostoevski, Russian novelist and short-story pgpgQH8vARPyc.pgp Description: PGP signature
libmng para potato
Hola a todos, Si alguien necesita el paquete libmng para potato, lo he puesto en http://www.ctv.es/USERS/rripio/libmng_0.9.2-3_i386.deb ¿Por qué podríais necesitarlo? Para poder instalar la última versión de las libqt2.2 para potato que hay en los mirrors de KDE. ¿Por qué querríais instalar tal cosa? Para poder instalar qcad 1.44, que ya admite bibliotecas de bloques, o para instalar KDE 2, por fín en versión estable. ¿Por qué lo he compilado desde las fuentes de woody? Porque el paquete binario no está en los mirror de KDE para potato (bug al canto), y las fuentes de dicha distribución (KDE 2 potato) están rotas (rebug). Y ahora, una preguntilla: ¿Debería cambiar el nombre del paquete para que sea legal? ¿Debería avisar al mantenedor? Gracias de antemano, y un saludo, -- -- Roberto Ripio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pregunta sobre correo
El Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 11:26:58AM +, Faraox escribió: fetchmail: Fallo en la conección SMTP a localhost Parece calcado de un fallo que tuve yo... prueba en línea de órdenes: ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 Si se soluciona así es que debes configurar la red en /etc/network/interfaces: iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.254 network 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 Saludos, Roberto Ripio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ¿Programa de bolsa?
Hola De http://www.bolsagest.es puedes bajarte un programa llamado life (para windows) que te permite visualizar las cotizaciones fin de dia (la misma empresa te las suministra gratis), tirar lineas, hacer medias moviles, así como un monton de osciladores. Si pagas (unas 8000 pts/mes) te dan datos intradia en tiempo real (autentico) pudiendo ver las gráficas con el intervalo que quieras desde 1 minuto (típicamente 5, 15 o 30 minutos) Toda información que tengas sobre este tema en linux será bien recibida ;-) Xose Manoel Ramos escribió: El Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 12:22:50PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] contaba: Permita bajarse de internet las cotizaciones de bolsa (IBEX) automáticamente cada día. Permita realizar gráficos con estas cotizaciones (medias móviles, etc) ¿Tenemos algo parecido a esto en debian?. ¿Porque hay algo que haga eso para Windows de gratis? Si tal me lo dices ;-) Aquí en Linux tenemos el GStalker, que muestra graficas de -- ===NaClU2=== _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Desde: 40º25'N 3º39'O _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ http://club.telepolis.com/ijas
RE: pregunta sobre correo
- Original Message - From: Roberto Ripio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Faraox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:56 PM Subject: Re: pregunta sobre correo El Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 11:26:58AM +, Faraox escribió: fetchmail: Fallo en la conección SMTP a localhost Parece calcado de un fallo que tuve yo... prueba en línea de órdenes: ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 No me sigue dando el mismo error, aunque ¿el comando tiene ke hacerse antes o despues de conectar a internet? Si se soluciona así es que debes configurar la red en /etc/network/interfaces: iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.254 network 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 Saludos, Roberto Ripio [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Paquetes Netscape 4.75
En ftp.es.debian.org/debian/dists/potato-proposed-updates/ hay una serie de paquetes para instalar la versión 4.75 de netscape en Debian pero hay tantos paquetes que no se cuales necesito. Como me los bajo desde casa no quiero darle a telefónica más de lo que se merece. ¿Alguien me puede decir cuales son los paquetes necesarios? Gracias por vuestra atención
Re: pregunta sobre correo
El Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 07:13:08PM -, Joaquin Mestre escribió: prueba en línea de órdenes: ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 No me sigue dando el mismo error, aunque ¿el comando tiene ke hacerse antes o despues de conectar a internet? Antes. Se trata de dar de alta tu máquina como localhost en la red. Para comprobarlo, haz ping localhost. Pero es sólo como prueba. Para que se configure en el arranque tienes que /tocar el etc/network/interfaces. -- -- Roberto Ripio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lista de correo sobre C
Quien:Luis Arocha -data- Cuando: miércoles, 01 de noviembre del 2000, a las 12:04, Qué: Lista de correo sobre C ¿Conoce alguien una lista de correo sobre programación en C? Preferiblemente en español. Gracias por adelantado. X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mi frase del dia: #--# Seis, ocho millones de espectadores. Estas son cifras con las que nunca pudo soñar ningún director teatral o novelista y menos aún Esquilo, Sófocles o Eurípides. -- Fernando Fernán Gomez. (1921-) Actor, director y escritor español. #--# pgpyNWiGmmXWA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Nombre para las chuletas de Manel (era Re: ¿Decis chuletas en sudamerica?)
Hola a todos, On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 12:59:46AM +0100, Manel Marin wrote: ... ¿Que os parece?, ¿receta?, ¿rapiCOMOs?, ¿rapidCOMOs?, ¿COMOrapido?, ¿otro? Con lo fácil que es la idea... Y lo que cuesta encontrarle un nombre bien Adjetivos calificativos adecuados: resumen, rápido, concentrado, breve, mínimo, instantáneo, fácil ¿Que os parece instantCOMOs? ¿Y facilCOMOs? (me gusta más el primero) Saludos, -- - Manel Marin e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Powered (Debian 2.2 potato) kernel 2.2.17 Mira mis chuletas de Linux en http://perso.wanadoo.es/manel3 - Mi petición de drivers para Linux es la nº 33126 (Pasate por http://www.libranet.com/petition.html ;-)
Re: rättigheter
Lägg till dig själv i gruppen dip. (/etc/groups) /Micce -- Mikael Hedin, MSc +46 (0)980 79176 Swedish Institute of Space Physics +46 (0)980 73547 (home) S-Box 812, 981 28 KIRUNA, Sweden+46 (0)980 79050 (fax)
fetchmail-fel
När jag kör fetchmail får jag detta meddelande: 21 messages for carlw at hem.passagen.se (55892 octets). reading message 1 of 21 (1020 octets) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed: Förbindelse vägras fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from hem.passagen.se fetchmail: Query status=10 Någon som vet hur man fixar det? mvh /Carl = -- Det var bättre förr. __ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/
Configurando o fonte no X
Ola possoal... Eu uso o Debian GNU/Linux versao potato. Gostaria de saber como posso configurar os fontes da interface X windows e do Netscape. No meu caso, acho os fontes do menu do Netscape muito grande. Alguem sabe esta dica? -- João J. R. Oliveira, M.Sc. - (ACET) CEPEL - P.O.Box: 68007, Rio de Janeiro, RJ CEP: 21944-970 - Brasil Phone: 55+21+598-6184 FAX: 55+21+270-4189
Re: Nome revista on-line
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, José Manuel Nunes wrote: Se o formato for ser esse mesmo (todo mundo escreve, todo mundo vota, e viva o peer review), eu vou criar a pasta no hackandroll. Idéias quanto ao nome? Só eu gosto de gnuts? :-) ... Que acham de lignux? Debian-BR. Hélio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro Unix System Engineer FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Debian GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problema com o Debian 2.2
/etc/kbd/config - # # This files tells the `kbd' package: # # - whether to load a specific font and boot and/or to setup a default screen # mapping. This may be useful, if not using SVGATextMode, to load a font with # an another encoding than default. # # # Example: # #CONSOLE_FONT=iso01.f16 CONSOLE_FONT=lat1u-16.psf Aqui está o problema ! Consegui resolvê-lo usando o lat1u-16.psf. O que continuo sem perceber é como raio foi desaparecer ?! O Debian, quando atualiza um pacote, faz perguntas sobre o mesmo, principalmente quanto a configuração. Ele pergunta se vc deseja atualizar a configuração (Y) ou manter a antiga (N). Vc provavelmente mandou atualizar. Quando o Debian faz isto, ele mantém uma cópia de segurança do arquivo de configuração antigo, com o mesmo nome mas acrescido do sufixo dpkg-old. ex: /etc/pam.d/su.dpkg-old Hélio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro Unix System Engineer FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Debian GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MailMatic
[...] Esta mensagem foi enviada com a complacência da nova legislação sobre correio eletrônico, Seção 301, Parágrafo (a) (2) (c) Decreto S. 1618, Título Terceiro aprovado pelo 105 Congresso Base das Normativas Internacionais sobre o SPAM. Este E-mail não poderá ser considerado SPAM quando inclua uma forma de ser removido. Malditos SPAMMERS. E ainda por cima conseguiram fechar o www.antispam.org.br. Hélio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro Unix System Engineer FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Debian GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configurando o fonte no X
Caro Joao e outros, esse erro esta sendo reportado com frequencia. No arquivo /etc/X11/XF86Config, as linhas das fontes estao trocadas. As linhas que fazem referencia a 75dpi devem estar acima da de 100dpi. Grande abraço, PH Quoting Joao Jose Rodrigues de Oliveira ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Ola possoal... Eu uso o Debian GNU/Linux versao potato. Gostaria de saber como posso configurar os fontes da interface X windows e do Netscape. No meu caso, acho os fontes do menu do Netscape muito grande. Alguem sabe esta dica? -- João J. R. Oliveira, M.Sc. - (ACET) CEPEL - P.O.Box: 68007, Rio de Janeiro, RJ CEP: 21944-970 - Brasil Phone: 55+21+598-6184 FAX: 55+21+270-4189 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Como instalar Pacotes
Olá Pessoal, Instalei o Debian 2.2 e deu um erro no finalzinho da instalação dos pacotes. Percebi então que ele não instalou o servidor X para SVGA, só o VGA16, como faço para instalar o servidor q falta? Isso está impossibilitando que eu consiga usar o ambiente gráfico. Dá um erro, quando inicializo o startx, dizendo que existe um erro ao tentar executar o servidor de SVGA. Não sei usar nada no Debian :-) Grato, Ademar Sousa Gomes * Analista de Sistemas Telefônica S/A
Re: [debian-br] Como instalar Pacotes
Caro Ademar, Quoting Ademar Sousa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Olá Pessoal, Instalei o Debian 2.2 e deu um erro no finalzinho da instalação dos pacotes. Percebi então que ele não instalou o servidor X para SVGA, só o VGA16, como faço para instalar o servidor q falta? Se sua placa é Sis, Trident ou semelhante, digite. apt-get install xserver-svga e responda que quer que seu novo server seja SVGA. Isso está impossibilitando que eu consiga usar o ambiente gráfico. Dá um erro, quando inicializo o startx, dizendo que existe um erro ao tentar executar o servidor de SVGA. Instale as fontes logo tambem. apt-get install xfonts-75dpi xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base Não sei usar nada no Debian :-) Eu nao sabia quando comecei tambem. :) Grato, Grande abraço, PH Ademar Sousa Gomes * Analista de Sistemas Telefônica S/A
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Re: (linux-br) Como instalar Pacotes
* Ademar Sousa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Olá Pessoal, Instalei o Debian 2.2 e deu um erro no finalzinho da instalação dos pacotes. Percebi então que ele não instalou o servidor X para SVGA, só o VGA16, como faço para instalar o servidor q falta? Isso está impossibilitando que eu consiga usar o ambiente gráfico. Dá um erro, quando inicializo o startx, dizendo que existe um erro ao tentar executar o servidor de SVGA. Não sei usar nada no Debian :-) monta o cd-rom vai no diretório onde estão os pacotes dpkg -i nomepacote.deb =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Rafael Alexandre Schmitt | | Blumenau - Santa Catarina - Brasil | | Powered by Vim! | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Instalar sshd.
Qual o pacote do Debian 2.2 que prove um servidor de ssh, eu lembro que instalei uma vez mas não estou comseguindo encontra-lo. Desde já fico grato por qq ajuda. Diorgenes B. de Mello ICQ: 45102991 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Instalar sshd.
apt-get install ssh Quoting Diorgenes B. de Mello ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Qual o pacote do Debian 2.2 que prove um servidor de ssh, eu lembro que instalei uma vez mas não estou comseguindo encontra-lo. Desde já fico grato por qq ajuda. Diorgenes B. de Mello ICQ: 45102991 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Instalar sshd.
Qual o pacote do Debian 2.2 que prove um servidor de ssh, eu lembro que instalei uma vez mas não estou comseguindo encontra-lo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ dpkg -S sshd ssh: /usr/share/man/man8/sshd.8.gz ssh: /usr/sbin/sshd ssh: /etc/ssh/sshd_config Ou seja, tendo uma entrada assim em /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://debian.lcmi.ufsc.br/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free Vc só precisa passar o comando apt-get install ssh. Hélio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro Unix System Engineer FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Debian GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Curso
Estou iniciando-me no Linux e estou interessado em fazer algum curso sobre ele. Quase todos que encontrei se baseiam em Conectiva ou em similares RedHat (pacotes RPM etc). Alguém conhece um que de ênfase ao Debian? thiago
Re: Curso
Estou iniciando-me no Linux e estou interessado em fazer algum curso sobre ele. Quase todos que encontrei se baseiam em Conectiva ou em similares RedHat (pacotes RPM etc). Alguém conhece um que de ênfase ao Debian? thiago Os cursos que ministro aqui em Floripa são baseados em Conectiva mas eu apresento um material genérico que serve tanto para Debian quanto para outros *nix (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX). Claro que isto depende do instrutor. Já ouvi alunos comentando que determinados cursos são baseados somente em Linuxconf. Hélio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro Unix System Engineer FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Debian GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.linuxplace.com.br/sqush_place/972662316/linuxversuswindows.jpg
Excelente! Hélio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro Unix System Engineer FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Debian GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- From: Luciano Rottava da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rafael Rodrigues Obelheiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Helio Alexandre L. Loureiro [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eduardo Souza Machado da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED], Augusto Cesar Pinto Loureiro da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED], Eder Mateus Nunes Goncalves [EMAIL PROTECTED], Carlos Alberto Brandao Barbosa Leite [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: http://www.linuxplace.com.br/sqush_place/972662316/linuxversuswindows.jpg * Luciano Rottava da Silva Dept. Automacao e Sistemas HTTP://www.lcmi.ufsc.br/~rottava Univ. Federal Santa Catarina MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *
Nome revista on-line
Se o formato for ser esse mesmo (todo mundo escreve, todo mundo vota, e viva o peer review), eu vou criar a pasta no hackandroll. Idéias quanto ao nome? Só eu gosto de gnuts? :-) ... Que acham de lignux?
Automatically changing address in mutt
Hi folks, Got a bit of a mutt question that I thought maybe the mutt-fu experts might be able to help me with. I have a number of different email addresses that I send mail from, depending on the capactity in which I'm sending it. I'm not worried about the envelope sender, just the From: line (that's the most that the relatively email-unsophisticated people I email will see generally). What I would like to do is be able to reply with the same email address to which the email was sent. So if I recieved an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'd like to be able to reply and have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], respectively, automagically placed into the From: line (I hope that makes sense). The closest I can see in the Fine Manual is send-hook, but it looks like it wouldn't do the trick. What I really need is a `receive-hook'. There is nothing else predictable about the emails other than the address it's sent to, so I can't see how a send-hook would work. I could just have mail to different addresses go to different mailboxes, I suppose, and use a folder-hook, but that's hardly very efficient. Anyone do anything similar, or have any ideas? cheers, damon -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches Criminologist/Linux Geek | As my head fell in the basket, http://killfilter.com | And was everybody dancing on the casket... PGP (GnuPG): A136E829 | - TBMG, Dead pgpf1g2mDRE3d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: where to put shell scripts?
On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 08:58:19PM -0500, Brenda J. Butler wrote: Also, if you have split out your filesystem such that /usr/anything is mounted, then in the event of a system crash your /usr/lib dynamic libraries may not be available if those filesystems refuse to mount. This is a compelling reason to make sure that all the system utilities in /sbin (and all the regular utilities in /bin) are statically linked. either staticly linked or keeping any libraries they depend on in /lib instead of /usr/lib. this is what debian does: [EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$ file /bin/ls /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$ ldd /bin/ls libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x0feea000) /lib/ld.so.1 = /lib/ld.so.1 (0x3000) [EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$ -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgp9K5TvqFPtL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Automatic Debian 'slushy'
On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 07:47:58PM -0800, Brian wrote: I don't know enough about apt or how Debian distribution sites are maintained to know if this is feasible. Would it be possible to approximate a 'slushy' release by only upgrading to newer packages when the version numbers of said package and its dependencies hasn't changed in (n) days? I'm trying to imagine whether this could be accomplished locally by fetching package lists daily and creating lists based on a comparison of current and (n)-day-aged lists. Anthony Towns was working on creating a new `testing' distribution to be inbetween unstable and frozen. its similar to what your proprosing, im not sure what happened with it, i think mirror space is a problem. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpaa95tWET6f.pgp Description: PGP signature
xwpe bug
i use xwpe to open /debian/main/binary-i386/Packages on my Debian 2.0 CD and locate the following line: Package: dotfile-doc xwpe shows that it's on 4876th line. However edit.com of Win95 says it is on 4875th line. xwpe version is 1.4.2-2.1 i know M$ is right because i write an editor for Linux and it agree with M$. If you are interested in my editor, pls send me an email. Tell me your favorite editor and what your dream editor should be. the size of my editor is small (less than 100K). it will implement most functions of edit.com of Win95. it's based on Athena widget. i'll send you a copy ASAP. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
InterMezzo and Debian
Is anyone using InterMezzo with Debian? It looks like quite a good system --- especially for connecting laptops with desktops. Are there plans to provide a Debian package for InterMezzo? Cheers, Mark. -- _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
Re: KDE2 installation
Along These same lines what can i use for a entry in the sources.list file to get kde2? I have been trying to get it to work and i have had no luck. Thanks Joshua Subject: KDE2 installation Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:15:57 + (WET) From: sena [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Hi... I'm planning on installing KDE2 in my potato system. I have the entry in the sources.list file, and I've made apt-get update. Now, I have two questions: i) The KDE packages can be seen with apt-cache, but don't show up in dselect. Is this normal? ii) What packages do I need to have KDE working? Thanks, sena... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://decoy.ath.cx/~sena/
Re: Installation X problems
Hi, Not much help, but I got that issue as well and loaded it up. It worked without a hitch. If I can help any, let me know. In the new Task Selector I picked the Complete X Window system and the C/C++ options. I did run XF86SEtup after and tweaked my video card installation. Also, has anyone managed to get X working with NVidia's GeForce2 dri vers ? I got GeForce 2 and with previous versions of Linux was unable to get it to work, and i'm hoping it'll work with Debian. From my understanding, Debian is always behind in software, but that's due to quality control. Jonathan
best backup solution for linux+windows
Hi, I am planning to build a backup system for our network consisting of linux and nt machines. If you are familiar with different backup solutions, could you suggest one for me. What I mean is, which type of backup device to use, which software to use etc. I prefer to do backup from my linux server. NT also uses the linux machine as the fileserver thru samba. Thanking you Suresh INDIA __ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/
Re: KDE2 installation
Joshua Kruck wrote: Along These same lines what can i use for a entry in the sources.list file to get kde2? I have been trying to get it to work and i have had no luck. Thanks Joshua Subject: KDE2 installation Hi I am a newbie, so I can not tell you why, only what I did. I added deb http://kde.tdyc.com potato kde2 to the /etc/apt/sources.list Then I did a apt-get update apt-get install and in dselect I did an (U)pdate and then I said yes to all dependencies when in select. That's about it. regards guran
Printer advice EPSON 740
Hello list, I am running woody and am about to get my EPSON 740 printer up and running. What are the prefered way to do this ? I am thinking Ghostscript gimp-print stp driver what else ? magicfilter what are PDQ,CUPS,LPD ? can it help me ? Has anyone done this ? Do I have to get gs source and compile myself or are there a working solution in woody ? I have done this once before (not with stp) but from what I can remember there are no drivers (stp740...) included in the gs debian provides. Any help and advice in how to do this is most welcomed. Best regards Joakim
PPP problem
Hi there.
I've two linux boxes connected with null modem serial cable, lets call them
A and B. I can establish connection with Seyon from A to B (running getty),
so hardware is working. But, when I start pppd in B with this seyon-getty
connection, pppd doesn't start giving me this garbage including
{-characters. It just starts, and gives nothing, it seems to hang (even
prompt doesn't come back). To get serial (Seyon) connection back in live, I
have to kill pppd directly from B's console. After that prompt appers back
in Seyon. If I run pppd in for example B's tty1 (i.e. from console), it
gives me these ppp-frames. What could be wrong? My kernel is 2.2.15, and I
_do_ have ppp enabled in it.
thanks in advance,
Petteri Heinonen
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I can't compile anything!
I used the 'slink' version and tried to upgrade glibc manually from 2.0.7 to 2.1.2 . It failed, there was a 'libc-dev' conflict with 'libstdc++2.9' Now I installed 'potato' from CD, I selected the 'libc' packages and 'gcc' 2.95 . If I try to compile a C source (with ./configure) it says: gcc cannot create executable How can it be, if I newly installed gcc and glibc? What can I do to correct this miserable situation?? -- GYULAI Mihály http://gyulai.freeyellow.com Rejtő Jenő művei, Linux Élj minden nap teljes életet. Lehet, hogy ez az utolsó napod.
Re: best backup solution for linux+windows
I know they use AMANDA around here. Sounds like a real great solution. -- Danie Roux *shuffle* Adore Unix
Re: DIVX?
x4 = xfree86 4.0.1 OK, I've upgraded from 3.3.6 to 4.0.1. The only really noticeable difference is that full-screen mode is no longer really full-screen -- there is a black root window with the movie in its original resolution in the centre of it. 1 - you need the correct modelines for it to swith down to the correct resolution, if you decide you still want software mode. 2 - you need to recompile sdl (preferably 1.1.6) for the xvideo extentions. but of course, if you'd done your homework, you'd know that :o) cheers damien pgpvIdcRDeVR6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: rolling a kernel for a different machine
** Original Message ** Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: Your boot disk has to point to the root partition of the system it's booting on. What failure or error messages are you getting from the laptop when you try to boot? everything is smooth through the partition check and then I get: Invalid session number or type of track Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:01 seems like your on the right track. Any idea how to fix it? thanks, Andy __ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] . __ Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=1527645
Re: Horrifying suggestion
Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 06:17:17PM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: sounds interesting to any other newbies, just do the following: $su Password: lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ | sh this is the most horrifying thing i have ever seen suggested. this is even worse then Microsoft's famous mail client. Whoa, Ethan! This part was clearly marked as of interest for newbies only. Yes, all your points are valid, but the key question here is Do you trust helixcode? The above was copied directly from their Debian installation instructions, which you can read for yourself here: http://www.helixcode.com/desktop/instructions.php3?distribution=gognome What the script does is to add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list, and then run apt-get update followed by one of these (which you choose from a list of three options): apt-get upgrade apt-get install task-helix-core apt-get install task-helix-gnome and that's it! I assume anyone actually running this script would first look at it in a normal web browser at least! The reason this is a _good_ thing for newbies, is that, unlike the corresponding debian package, you get a working desktop at the end of it _without_ having to edit any files on the way. Useful if you want to look at Debian but are new to Linux (like me). Now you have a desktop, a GUI file manager, access to readme files, man pages, help documentation and everything you need to learn about Linux, and find out just why the above install method breaks all security rules. It's a kind of Debian-newbie bootstrap, if you like. One day, the Debian install will work so well, that raw newbies won't have to resort to such desperate methods as go-gnome. Till then, it's the only way to go that actually works. That black and white console gets old pretty quickly, and if I wasn't so stubborn I would have given up on Linux a long time ago. if your still interested in using such methods i recommend you set your root password null and add this line to your /etc/inetd.conf and run /etc/init.d/inetd reload: telnetstream tcp nowait root/bin/sh sh -i note to anyone who actually installs that inetd line, please stop using computers immediatly!!! Sarcasm noted. What you really mean is Debian is not for newbies. Well we all know that. I happen to have discovered that this might no longer be the case... -- Best regards, Peter Hugosson-Miller Press any key to continue or any other key to quit
How get installer to get 1st pkgs from local HD?
How can I get the debian installer to acquire the first set of packages (which it wants) from my local HD (not the inet)? (I'm just learning debian, and I've done this install several times (and expect to do it several more). Each time it takes about a half hour to get these packages from the net. I saved the deb files it dl'd. I just don't know how to place them what else needs to be done (ie, B2 from below).) I'm new to debian haven't been able to find any doc on this yet. (Is this answered in some doc? If you know such a doc's name, I can read the instructions there.) I'm doing a debian install onto my HD starting from the files on the hard disk (on a w95 c:\linux directory (install.bat loadlin.exe rescue.bin root.bin linux base2_2.tgz drivers.tgz)). 1) I run install.bat from c:\linux 2) I tell the installer to get the base drivers in c:\linux it works with those. 3) I tell the installer to get the rest of the files from the inet with ppp. (I seem to recall that this occurs after the installer has rebooted from the system it just installed to the HD, but my memory isn't certain.) 4) Some part of the installer program downloads about 5MB from inet. 5) it installs the 5MB. I'd like to do it differently, starting at step 3 - A) How do I tell it to get the files from a local drive? B) What do I have to have set up on the local drive? : B1) The 5MB of deb files? (Of course. But: where? And, how do I point the installer to them?) B2) Some configuration information (Ex: this needs to be something like (I can't recall the words it used) a debian archive or package repository or ?. Possibly something to do with getting the files which contain the latest data on what the current deb packages are?)? (Note that: I've found out how to get dselect to get deb packages locally later on in the process - by putting the debs I saved after earlier installations into the /var/cache/apt directory. That won't seem to work for this problem, because /var/cache/apt doesn't even exist at the time it's asking me where I want to get the files from, and also it needs those latest config files, correct?) Thanks.
Re: InterMezzo and Debian
** Original Message ** Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone using InterMezzo with Debian? It looks like quite a good system --- especially for connecting laptops with desktops. Are there plans to provide a Debian package for InterMezzo? Cheers, Mark. -- _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] . __ Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=1527645
Re: How get installer to get 1st pkgs from local HD?
total wrote: How can I get the debian installer to acquire the first set of packages (which it wants) from my local HD (not the inet)? Hi I don't understand your 'algoritm' of the installation. From memory: After having installed the the rescue disk and the drivers, then the network is configured. After that the installation program asks for where to find the base2.tgz, and one of the options is a prevously mounted partition. If this partition have been named by you to have the name /mnt/alfa, and if the directory has the name beta, then you should give the following information to the installation program /target/mnt/alfa/beta. Then the 15 or so MB will be installed from your hard drive. regards guran
Re: Horrifying suggestion
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 10:25:17AM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: Whoa, Ethan! This part was clearly marked as of interest for newbies only. Yes, all your points are valid, but the key question here is Do teaching newbies how to run arbitrary code as root on there machine without having the slightest idea what it is going to do is a bad idea. the fact that this is targeted at newbies makes it WORSE. its just like MS who has tought there users `just double click the icon in your Outlook window' or `just click the message and that silly attachment will be opened for you!' if these methods MS has proven lead to disaster are carried over to GNU/Linux we will soon see the same kind of crap as ILUVYOU and such happening to GNU users. educate them *correctly* telling them tricks like that sh pipe and soon there will be evildoers telling them to run the same command to get something else c00l. it was safe for helix gnome should be safe for this too right? wrong! you trust helixcode? The above was copied directly from their Debian installation instructions, which you can read for yourself here: what if someone hijacks the connection? i didn't see an https in that url. what if someone puts up a similar site offering some other nifty gadget and offers an equally `easy' way to get it. arguably someone could pull a similer stunt asking users to install a new apt line themselves creating a aptable trojan archive, but then again that is more work then writing a nice shell script to add something cute to /etc/inetd.conf. skript kiddies i would venture to say might be too dumb to create an aptable archive with real debianized trojans but i bet they know how to write a shell script to install a simple rootkit. http://www.helixcode.com/desktop/instructions.php3?distribution=gognome What the script does is to add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list, and im sure the legitimate helix script is all well and good, thats not my point, my point is teaching newbies how to run arbitrary code from a web server as root is not a good idea. and that's it! I assume anyone actually running this script would first look at it in a normal web browser at least! i haven't seen anyone say how to look at it, just how to pipe into /bin/sh and run god knows what as root! One day, the Debian install will work so well, that raw newbies won't have to resort to such desperate methods as go-gnome. Till then, it's the only way to go that actually works. That black and white console gets old pretty quickly, and if I wasn't so stubborn I would have given up on Linux a long time ago. at what cost? what good is a better quality more secure OS if we dumb down the users (or allow them to remain dumb) to the point where they will suffer just as many security problems as they would under the redmond OS? there is a point where things are made TOO easy, the problems with MS Outlook demonstrate this quite nicely, its TOO easy to execute that cute attachment Mr. Kiddie sent you, and since MS has made their users SOO feebleminded and dumbed down they simply don't know any better for A LOT of no-duh practices to protect themselves. another example: root vs user. a ordinary user is really not very user friendly after all i can't touch a damn thing as a normal user! it would be SOO much *easier* to just run as root all the time, after all i trust myself don't i? i don't go and delete stuff and break things! until some dumb bug in netscape lets someone run arbitrary code. (s/netscape/whatever other network enabled software/) do we just tell users to just use the root account and be done with it? NO! do we chmod -R g+w / chgrp -R admin / and put the normal users accounts in group admin to make these silly permissions things go away? NO! (well apple/MS does but) instead we teach users about the root account and how to use it responsibly. the same needs to be done for executing other's code with privilege. piping a random web page into /bin/sh as root is TOO easy, and too hidden. a few extra steps helps reduce the chances for social engineering to suceed. just like you have to 1) save your email attachments, and 2) run chmod +x on them and 3) actually execute them instead of `just click!' Sarcasm noted. What you really mean is Debian is not for newbies. Well we all know that. I happen to have discovered that this might no longer be the case... thats not what i am trying to say at all, i am trying to say that making things easier on newbies is a good goal but we should not make it TOO easy, it keeps them dumb and ready to be attacked sucessfully and it keeps them from learning this new system. MS has demonstrated that making the system TOO easy and the users too dumb leads to disaster, we should learn from their mistakes instead of making them again. those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it anyway /soapbox -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/
Re: /usr/bin before /usr/local/bin?
Krzys Majewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any opinions on which should go first in the path: /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin? Definitely /usr/local/bin - you normally want local tools to override distributed tools. /usr/bin: this is where Debian stuff goes. If you want to override Debian stuff with your own stuff, 'apt remove' is pretty straightforward. For what it's worth, I sometimes find dpkg-divert a useful tool for installing slightly modified versions of Debian tools. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
potato - woody == php error
Does this ring a bell for somebody? Warning: Unable to connect to PostgresSQL server: ERROR: MultiByte strings (MB) must be enabled to use this function in /var/lib/webspace/service.ffis.de/LinuxTag/index.php3 on line 96 Unable to connect to SQL server Line 96 is: $dbh = pg_pconnect (dbhost, 5432, mydb) Regards, Joey -- Life is too short to run proprietary software. -- Bdale Garbee Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: xkb settings, BS not working
Olivier Dragon wrote: I'm using the latest version of XF86 (not quite sure of the exact version) that is available in woody. If you had to say I Obey., then it's X4.01, else it's X3.3.6 - and they are different! I've got problems in X with the xkb configuration. In X, my backspace [--] button does the same as the [Delete] button. I've tried modifying my XF86Config file but it doesn't work. Whatever I put in the keyboard section, nothing changes. I tried changing the language but I always have the qwerty/us configuration. When I use XF86Setup everything works fine, even when I click Done and X is loaded using the settings. But whevener I startx after that my keyboard doesn't follow XF86Config keyboard rules anymore. Here's the section from my XFree 4 config file, which gives me a UK keyboard: -- include Section ServerLayout Identifier XFree86 Configured Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection [snip] Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver keyboard Option XkbModel pc101 Option XkbLayout gb EndSection [snip] -- end include - -- --==**==-- Ian Stuart - University computing services. - Truth is what you believe it to be. I cannot force my facts on you, only make you believe my beliefs. - http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/
Re: rolling a kernel for a different machine
** Original Message ** Andrew Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to roll a kernel for my laptop using my desktop machine. I tried the usual: #make config #make dep #make clean #make bzdisk and as I expected the boot disk does not work. Can anyone give me any pointers on rolling a kernel on one machine for an other? thanks, Andy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] . __ Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=1527645
Kernel modules
Hi list. How can I compile just one kernel module instead to do make modules and make modules_install for all modules? -- :%s/Micros~1/GNU\/Linux/g^M :wq!
Re: Printer advice EPSON 740
I have set up my Epson 740 on Debian 2.2. Works perfectly. I set up three print queues (360x360, 720x720, 1440x720 resolutions). If you want I will email you instructions and GS drivers this evening when I get home from the office. Pretty simple. Probably about 15-20 minutes of work. email me if you want this info. -=[cwa]=- On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Joakim Svensson wrote: -| -|Hello list, -| -|I am running woody and am about to get my EPSON 740 printer -|up and running. -| -|What are the prefered way to do this ? I am thinking -| -|Ghostscript -|gimp-print stp driver -|what else ? magicfilter -|what are PDQ,CUPS,LPD ? can it help me ? -| -|Has anyone done this ? -|Do I have to get gs source and compile myself or are there a -|working solution in woody ? -| -|I have done this once before (not with stp) but from what I can -|remember there are no drivers (stp740...) included in the gs -|debian provides. -| -|Any help and advice in how to do this is most welcomed. -| -|Best regards -|Joakim -| -| -|-- -|Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -| --- Christopher W. Aiken Programmer Analyst UNIX System Engineering and CASE Tools [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ansys, Inc. 275 Technology Drive Canonsburg, Pa 15317
Re: Horrifying suggestion
Ethan Benson wrote: teaching newbies how to run arbitrary code as root on there machine without having the slightest idea what it is going to do is a bad idea. the fact that this is targeted at newbies makes it WORSE. Well I'm certainly not advocating the above. All my suggestion did was to provide a way _in_ to Debian, for someone who might be interested in trying it out, but who isn't familiar with Linux. There's almost nothing you've said in your mails that I don't agree with - we're singing from the same hymn sheet, so to speak. Here's the scenario when my suggestion would be a good idea: Take a user who is familiar with 'doze, who happens to get hold of the potato CD's, and wants to compare Debian and 'doze. These are the steps after he/she gets through the Debian install, chooses X and the Gnome desktop, then gets to the Have fun message at the end, and reboots: 1) LILOlots of text flying past... mycomputer#Login: Newbie logs in: 2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's this black console screen? Where's the GUI? 3) Newbie goes away and buys a copy of O'Reilly's Running Debian, learns about the startx command. 4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] startx Now twm starts up. Newbie sees a grey screen with an X in the middle, one that maybe even responds to the mouse. Newbie clicks some buttons, gets some menus, opens a shell. Having read all about Gnome, he/she knows that the panel is the thing to run. 5) [EMAIL PROTECTED] panel Now we're getting somewhere... maybe this can be automated? Newbie goes back to the books, finds out which files to edit. 6) Newbie has not used vi or emacs before, so has to choose one, and learn that first. 7) Newbie edits Xsession (that's what O'Reilly says), adds in calls to icewm, panel and gmc. That wasn't too hard, you might say. Newbie is now at almost the same state as after using go-gnome (my suggestion). Elapsed time? Depends on whether the bookstore has the book in stock, and how many evenings the newbie is willing to invest in what is for him/her still only an evaluation. Using go-gnome? Elapsed time 25 minutes. OK, newbie is still dumb, but now has an opportunity to click around the system and find out stuff, maybe even discover that Debian is better that 'doze! Newbie even gets sawfish installed, so the GUI looks nicer still! im sure the legitimate helix script is all well and good, thats not my point, my point is teaching newbies how to run arbitrary code from a web server as root is not a good idea. Hear, hear! Never run arbitrary code from a web server as root!! Now if the helix-gnome packages could just be incorporated into Debian, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. i haven't seen anyone say how to look at it, just how to pipe into /bin/sh and run god knows what as root! To look at the script, just enter this url in your favourite web browser: http://go-gnome.com/ Sarcasm noted. What you really mean is Debian is not for newbies. Well we all know that. I happen to have discovered that this might no longer be the case... thats not what i am trying to say at all, i am trying to say that making things easier on newbies is a good goal but we should not make it TOO easy, it keeps them dumb and ready to be attacked sucessfully and it keeps them from learning this new system. And if the newbie can't get it installed at all, then he/she is also kept from learning this new system. More money goes into B*ll G***s pockets as newbie gives up and buys 'doze2K. MS has demonstrated that making the system TOO easy and the users too dumb leads to disaster, we should learn from their mistakes instead of making them again. I couldn't agree more! Long Live Linux! -- Best regards, Peter Hugosson-Miller Asking for quality software from Microsoft is like asking for the wine list at McDonalds.
Something wrong with serial ports?
Hi there. I've had problems with ppp, so I've tried following: I launched pppd on /dev/pts/2, which was one of my terminal emulator windows. PPP-carbage appears in this window and syslog gives: Nov 1 17:37:03 kapula pppd[412]: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid 0 Nov 1 17:37:03 kapula pppd[412]: Using interface ppp0 Nov 1 17:37:03 kapula pppd[412]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/pts/2 Nov 1 17:37:33 kapula pppd[412]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Nov 1 17:37:33 kapula pppd[412]: Connection terminated. Nov 1 17:37:34 kapula pppd[412]: Exit. If I try to ttyS1 with pppd /dev/ttyS1, syslog only gives: Nov 1 17:43:06 kapula pppd[440]: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid 0 pppd doesn't even stop unless I kill it. So my questions: Shouldn't I get same things in syslog when trying with ttyS1 too as with pts/2? And shouldn't I get these messages even if there is nothing connected in /dev/ttyS1? I'll also give you dmesg output (only part concerningn PPP or serial ports): ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A PPP: version 2.3.7 (demand dialling) TCP compression code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California PPP line discipline registered. thanks in advance, Petteri Heinonen email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +358 (0)50 3363 286 addr.: Pehkusuonkatu 21 B 38 33820 Tampere, FIN
forwarding messages in netscape
Hi y'all I am having a (recent) problem with netscape 451. When I try to forward messages (via an exchange server) the forwarded message either doesn't make it or arrives encoded (somehow). Has anyone else had this problem? thanks Richard begin:vcard n:Black;Richard tel;fax:416-971-4159 tel;home: tel;work:416-217-4350 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Algorithmics Inc adr:;;185 Spadina Avenue;Toronto;Ontario;M5T 2C6;Canada version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Financial Engineer x-mozilla-cpt:;-18400 fn:Richard Black end:vcard
Proposal - simple textual wrapper for packages
Hi Yesterday I sent the following proposal to the [EMAIL PROTECTED], the copy you are seeing has been spelling checked, mine was not. I am sending this from Mandrake as I have got a bug or something in Kicker in my Potato. Is it hot enough to get you coughing? regards guran From - Wed Nov 1 01:15:00 2000 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:14:54 +0100 From: guran remberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-idepci i686) X-Accept-Language: en, sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Proposal - simple textual wrapper for packages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello secretary, I want the simple mode of selecting packages, at the installation, to be stationary, and to be the starting point for a newbie, when he chooses to change his initial selection. Discussion: Certain repeated questions in the user area can be managed through a 'simple wrapper (=sapper)' with increased choices for the newbie. If one makes one part of the 'sapper' to X11, then an introduction to that could be: How do you want to start your X-server, c xdm gdm ? This means that if the user later wants to change his choice, and don't know how to, this place ought to be the right place to return to and look for an answer. I personally try to do my admin duties without a X-server running. Certain programs that are today put into the 'base' area, ought to be made a choice for the newbie. Emacs is an excellent example, by history it is known as a 'pseudo-OS' by itself - but I refuse to learn it. I use mc when I am fiddling around in the console mode with mcedit as the editor, where the pull down menu's helps me. Certain aspects of the 'modern use' of the internet and the computer ought to be added to this 'sapper' area like browser, irc, chat. Personally I could have reached for a shotgun, if I had had that one responsible for the division of Netscape in so many small packages. I still have not fixed that spelling checker, but now I know how to. Zero killed - but for a newbie it is an almost overwhelming experience to look at page after page of packages in fucking 1970:th REVERSE VIDEO. SuSe has one implementation in yast where it is more easy to read how packages is working from a newbie perspective. Personally I would through out all old terminals with their historic colours, I can't get the fine background all white only dirty gray or yellow. And mind you I started with fine headache on a tty back in the late sixties. regards guran
Re: En snabb fr?ga...
Tue, 31 Oct skrev Engelen: | There are those who would have you believe that V.Micic wrote: | Var kan jag ladda hem den senaste versionen av Debian i ISO format,jag har | letat men inte hittat... | Tack i Förhand | | | I am the only one who tried to rot13 this? | | Well, if that doesn't work, you can always try double-rot13 encoding ;-) | | I believe that's Dutch, though I won't swear to it. Looks more like Finnish or Norwegian to me. It surely isn't Dutch (I am Dutch). Var det noen som svarte han på det han spurte etter tro? Du kan ihvertfall finne siste stabile debian versjon (potato) på ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/Linux/ISO-images/debian/i386 hmm. hvor mange tror jeg snakker hollandsk, eller forsøker rot13 på dette mon tro!! mvh. -- Åsmund Ødegård Scientific Programmer, TPV/ISU, Ifi, UiO http://www.ifi.uio.no/~aasmundo/ j: 22 84 00 63 - m: 90 06 99 15 -- auto sig -- 2KR 34 1 Josias var åtte år gammel da han blev konge, og han regjerte en og tretti år i Jerusalem.
Re: En snabb fr?ga...
On onsdag 1 november 2000 14:27, Åsmund Ødegård [EMAIL PROTECTED] chirped hmm. hvor mange tror jeg snakker hollandsk, eller forsøker rot13 på dette mon tro!! 8-) jem -- Jan Erik Moström mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Elektron http://www.mostrom.pp.se/folk/jem/
Modem problem
Hi, I have installed the Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 potato official i386 on my computer. When using the PPP, it couldn't view my modem which is an internal modem installed on the port COM4. Under MS-Windows98, the connection works perfectly. The type of my modem is as follows : HSP56 Audiomodem riser from PCtel Inc. I really appreciate any help from you. Thanks in advance RAKOTONIAINA Solofoarisoa * Dr. RAKOTONIAINA SolofoarisoaLaboratoire de gophysique de l'environnement et de tldtectionInstitut et observatoire de gophysique d'Antananarivo (IOGA)Universit d'AntananarivoB.P 3843101 AntananarivoMADAGASCARTl/Fax : (261)(20)2225353[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /usr/bin before /usr/local/bin?
On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 10:31:08PM -0600, Damian Menscher wrote: You should behave in this manner anyway. A compromised user account is destined to become a compromised root account. There are too many local root exploits to ignore the danger. Could you give some examples for local root exploits on an uptodate Potato system with 2.2.17 kernel? Thanks, Phil
Re: Proposal - simple textual wrapper for packages
A Debian dilemma. Myself and other newbies, which come to Debian to learn how to run a small and properly confined Linux, may be called 'iconographs'. That is to say we don't know the underlying commando structure of what printing implies in Linux - but give us an icon of a printer and we stop asking questions and even get our job done. I have found that Debian, in contrast to Mandrake, RedHat and SuSe automatically starts or lets the user be met by a graphic user interface. To me that means that you have said welcome to us newbies, and accepted an easier approach. The question is then, what is the next step. Surely you can't mean that all newbies shall start with emacs or as you call it emacs20. Which I learned when I tried apt-get remove emacs. I understand that a server without an X-server, needs vi and/or emacs, but you ought to be capable of collecting a nice little newbie starting Debian. Based on mc and nedit, when we are talking editors. This newbie base, or 'sapper' as I called it, could be the 'bus stop' for the daunting experience of dselect (death select, for me many times). regards guran
Re: EXIM
On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 07:27:03PM -0600, dude wrote: Well, i would be interested i replying to mail that i have fetched. That makes sense :) On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Philipp Schulte wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 05:44:06PM -0600, dude wrote: what configuration would be best when setting up exim? If you also want to deliever mail, then you should specify a so called smarthost in your exim.conf - which is your ISP's SMTP-Server. so when exim asks for the host site, i should specify mail.csoft.net(for instance) and have fetchmail configured so i can get mail Yes, that's the whole idea. Depending on your local setup it may be neccessary to rewrite your email-adresses. This can be done using /etc/email-adresses and tell exim to use this file. See /etc/exim.conf at the bottom of the file. thanks for your time. You are very welcome. Phil
installation
Hi, i've bought my first Linux distibution - Debian distribution. I'm not able to install it. The system tries to start a network installation,even ifmy PC is a home stand-alone systemm, by receiving the following message : ' NO HARD DRIVES COULD BE FOUND'. On my PC i have two hard disks. One of them is a 4GB hard drive. The DOS/WIN partition on it has been erased by using the DOS Fdisk utility so the disk is completely free for a Linux partition. The hard-disk is defined on the IDE primary channel as a master drive. What can i do to remove this problem and to have finally my personal Linux installation. Many Thanks to any contribution. Giulio Ferrero (Turin-Italy)
Re: Printer advice EPSON 740
I'd love that! Thanks
Re: Kernel modules
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 09:33:56AM -0300, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: How can I compile just one kernel module instead to do make modules and make modules_install for all modules? Just look at the source of the module you wish to compile i.e /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/3c501.c There is always a compile command at the botttom of the file. Paste it and compile it. Then mv the module to a proper location (/lib/modules/*) and there you go. Phil
Re: X config problem causes me to have reinstall entire OS--!!newbie warning!!
On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:55:57AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:28:11PM +0518, USM Bish wrote: Try Ctrl-Alt-F10. Works with some keyboards. Try Ctrl-Alt-F1 instead. Ctrl-Alt-F10 works with some _installations_, specifically those which have a getty running on tty10. The default, however, is to have gettys running on tty1-tty6, so Ctrl-Alt-F1 should work on any fresh installation. Thanks for this correction. I have getty running on tty10. Ctrl-Alt-F1 thru F6 should otherwise work on all systems. USM Bish
Re: Proposal - simple textual wrapper for packages
guran remberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I sent the following proposal to the [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wrong person, and I imagine it won't get you anywhere; read the Debian Constitution to find out what the secretary does. This sort of thing should be sent to debian-devel or submitted as a bug against the 'general' pseudo-package (not both, as bugs against general go to debian-devel anyway). I want the simple mode of selecting packages, at the installation, to be stationary, and to be the starting point for a newbie, when he chooses to change his initial selection. Discussion: Certain repeated questions in the user area can be managed through a 'simple wrapper (=sapper)' with increased choices for the newbie. Look through the archives of debian-devel for discussion of easy administration tools like webmin. Certain programs that are today put into the 'base' area, ought to be made a choice for the newbie. Emacs is an excellent example, Since when was emacs in base? Regards, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modem problem
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, RAKOTONIAINA Solofoarisoa wrote: Hi, I have installed the Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 potato official i386 on my computer. When using the PPP, it couldn't view my modem which is an internal modem installed on the port COM4. Under MS-Windows98, the connection works perfectly. The type of my modem is as follows : HSP56 Audiomodem riser from PCtel Inc. I really appreciate any help from you. Thanks in advance RAKOTONIAINA Solofoarisoa * Dr. RAKOTONIAINA Solofoarisoa Laboratoire de géophysique de l'environnement et de télédétection Institut et observatoire de géophysique d'Antananarivo (IOGA) Université d'Antananarivo B.P 3843 101 Antananarivo MADAGASCAR Tél/Fax : (261)(20)2225353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at this place www.grapevine.net/~gromitkc/ I think your modem only works with win. Klaus
Re: Automatically changing address in mutt
Damon Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to do is be able to reply with the same email address to which the email was sent. So if I recieved an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'd like to be able to reply and have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], respectively, automagically placed into the From: line (I hope that makes sense). You want this line in your .muttrc: set reverse_name=yes Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printer advice EPSON 740
I set mine up using Magicfilter. Would you e-mail instructions to me also, if it's not too much trouble? I don't think my Epson 740 is set up correctly although it seems to work fine. thanks -- Andrew On 01-Nov-2000 Christopher W. Aiken wrote: I have set up my Epson 740 on Debian 2.2. Works perfectly. I set up three print queues (360x360, 720x720, 1440x720 resolutions). If you want I will email you instructions and GS drivers this evening when I get home from the office. Pretty simple. Probably about 15-20 minutes of work.
Php-Roxen-Mysql
Hi, I am new to Roxen. My setup is Debian which a mysql database and php installed. I want to be able to config php with Roxen. I have Roxen installed. My question is really how to add php as a module to Roxen? Thanks Eileen Orbell Software Internet Applications Capitol College mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't Fear the Penguin.
mutt's pager and 8 bit chars
Hi, I can't figure out how to make mutt's builtin pager display characters = chr(128), e.g. German Umlauts (ÄÖÜßäöü), they are shown as question marks. Mutt's charset option is set to iso-8859-1. For the headers, you can take this message as reference. After setting the pager option to less, these characters are being displayed just fine, but I don't really want to use an external pager. Pine also has no problems displaying the message. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks for any help, Mirko
Re: Kernel modules
Philipp Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can I compile just one kernel module instead to do make modules and make modules_install for all modules? Just look at the source of the module you wish to compile i.e /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/3c501.c There is always a compile command at the botttom of the file. Not always. It seems that many, if not all, of the network card drivers have such a note. moritz -- /* Moritz Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://hp9001.fh-bielefeld.de/~moritz/ * PGP-Key available, encrypted Mail is welcome. */
RE: [OT] is graphics acceleration/GL dependent on X11?
From: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 31-Oct-2000 Krzys Majewski wrote: Another graphics adapter question. Under linux, are the drivers which exploit hardware acceleration dependent on X11? [...] the drivers tend to be for X, however you could theoretically implement them otherwise. GGI has done this before for instance. The Voodoo cards by 3dfx use the Glide library, and they (or at least some of them) can be used with SGVALIB. There may be some hacks with the SDL library to get SVGA output, I haven't really looked at that. But as Sean says, most of the newer cards are focusing on X... Sincerely, Ray Ingles (248)377-7735[EMAIL PROTECTED] Modern inductive method: 1) Devise hypothesis. 2) Apply for grant. 3) Perform experiments. 4) Revise data to fit hypothesis. 5) Publish.
Re: mutt's pager and 8 bit chars
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 03:33:01PM +0100, Mirko Parthey wrote: Hi, I can't figure out how to make mutt's builtin pager display characters = chr(128), e.g. German Umlauts (ÄÖÜßäöü), they are shown as question marks. Mutt's charset option is set to iso-8859-1. For the headers, you can take this message as reference. After setting the pager option to less, these characters are being displayed just fine, but I don't really want to use an external pager. Pine also has no problems displaying the message. Am I missing something obvious? I have my LANG environment variable set to en_US and umlauts show up just fine. You might try setting yours to whatever is appropriate for you. I guess it would be something like de_DE. Also, I had to choose an iso-8859-1 font to use in my terminal, but since you say yours works with less, you should be fine. Good luck, Chris -- IF I HAD A MINE SHAFT, I don't think I would just abandon it. There's got to be a better way. -- Jack Handley, The New Mexican, 1988.
Re: Php-Roxen-Mysql
* Eileen == Eileen Orbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eileen My question is really how to add php as a module to Roxen? The php4 module doesn't really work for anything more than trivial things yet. However, the cgi version of php works nicely. Install it, then 1.) Add the following modules: - CGI executable support - PATH_INFO support - Redirect Module v2.0 2.) Put the php3.cgi binary in your /cgi-bin/ directory. 3.) Add the following redirect pattern in the Redirect Module: /(.*)\.php3(.*)$ /cgi-bin/php3.cgi/$1.php3$2 Ciao, Martin
Re: Printer advice EPSON 740
Joakim Svensson wrote: Hello list, I am running woody and am about to get my EPSON 740 printer up and running. What are the prefered way to do this ? I am thinking Ghostscript gimp-print stp driver what else ? magicfilter what are PDQ,CUPS,LPD ? can it help me ? Has anyone done this ? Do I have to get gs source and compile myself or are there a working solution in woody ? www.linuxprinting.org says the gimp-print driver is the best. I compiled a copy of gs-aladdin with that one included to create a deb. I have some filters for magicfilter too. Look at: http://www.mindspring.net/~keithmur/stp I'm going to try to put that stuff there sometime tonight. Did I mention that they work? :-) I have done this once before (not with stp) but from what I can remember there are no drivers (stp740...) included in the gs debian provides. You are correct, last time I looked.
GPL and software I have written
Greetings! I have a dilemma, and I expect this to end in a flame war, but here goes... I am a computer science student, and I also work as a system administrator. For one of my classes, I have written an e-commerce package. It is written in C using GCC, it uses Mini-SQL, and runs on Apache as a CGI program. My employer has expressed interest it this particular piece of software (my e-commerce package). I have issues with my employer that cause me to not want to merely hand over my work. I have never released/published any software that I have written, so I am treading into new territory. Therefore, I have read through the GPL, and I think I understand, but I would like confirmation. Since I am not modifying any existing software, I am creating new software, I can charge for the new software. This could be a license fee or something. I, of course, cannot and would not charge them for GCC, Apache, or for that matter Linux in general, except to the extent that I provide them a distribution (I burn a CD for them and/or install it on a computer). Mini-SQL has it's own license (NON GPL) that they would have to purchase separately (I developed this as a student, so I am not require to pay money for a license, but they would as a commercial site/use). In essence, I am providing them C code, which they can compile and execute. Am I in the ballpark or have I gone off the deep end? Thanks, Brooks
Re: mutt's pager and 8 bit chars (solved)
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 10:07:54AM -0500, Chris Gray wrote: I can't figure out how to make mutt's builtin pager display characters = chr(128), e.g. German Umlauts (ÄÖÜßäöü), they are shown as question marks. I have my LANG environment variable set to en_US and umlauts show up just fine. You might try setting yours to whatever is appropriate for you. I guess it would be something like de_DE. Yes, that works. (both en_US and de_DE) Thanks a lot! Mirko
RE: apt-get source problems
On 31-Oct-2000 Mario Vukelic wrote: deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ stable non-US/main non-US/contrib non-US/non-free Thanks. Unfortunately, I still get the same errors (both for update and source). Hmmm how odd, that is directly from my own sources.list My sources.list (again, just to be sure, just the beginning) --- # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. deb http://http.at.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ stable non-US/main non-US/contrib non-US/non-free # deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US (etc.) - This is the output from apt-get update: --- sonic:/home/mario# apt-get update Hit http://http.at.debian.org stable/main Packages Hit http://http.at.debian.org stable/main Release Hit http://http.at.debian.org stable/contrib Packages Hit http://http.at.debian.org stable/contrib Release Hit http://http.at.debian.org stable/non-free Packages Hit http://http.at.debian.org stable/non-free Release Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/contrib Packages Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/contrib Release Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/non-free Packages Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/non-free Release Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Packages Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Release Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/contrib Packages Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/contrib Release Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/non-free Packages Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/non-free Release Err http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Sources 404 Not Found Ign http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release Hit http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com woody/main Packages Hit http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com woody/main Release Hit http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com ./ Packages Hit http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com ./ Release Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Sources Ign http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Release Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Sources Ign http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Release Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Sources Ign http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Release Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/stable/non-US/source /Sources 404 Not Found Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. sonic:/home/mario# -- apt-get tries to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/stable/non-US/source/Sources This does not exist under stable/non-US there are just these dirs: contrib, main, non-free. Each has these subdirs: binary-(arch), source There is no stable/non-US/sources I don't see why it /should/ work (and why it works for you). Thanks for your time -- I did not vote for the Austrian government Linux: The choice of a GNU generation. Visit http://www.gnu.org/
Re: sawfish heads-up
There are those who would have you believe that Colin Watson wrote: If you upgrade sawfish to the one in unstable at the moment, don't follow the instruction that says: execute 'kill -9 `pidof sawfish`;sawfish' in a terminal I did so without thinking, and of course lost all my state. I don't see any reason not to use the old 'sawfish-client -f restart', apart from the cosmetic problem of the spurious error message, but no doubt I'll find out as a result of the bug report I've just filed. 'kill -1' might work, but I've no intention of blowing up my X session again just to find out ... What do you mean when you say you lost all of your state? FWIW, I did this on my laptop and didn't have any problems.
Re: GPL and software I have written
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 09:17:13AM -0600, Brooks R. Robinson wrote:
Greetings!
I have a dilemma, and I expect this to end in a flame war, but here
goes...
I am a computer science student, and I also work as a system administrator.
For one of my classes, I have written an e-commerce package. It is written
in C using GCC, it uses Mini-SQL, and runs on Apache as a CGI program. My
employer has expressed interest it this particular piece of software (my
e-commerce package).
I have issues with my employer that cause me to not want to merely hand
over my work. I have never released/published any software that I have
written, so I am treading into new territory. Therefore, I have read
through the GPL, and I think I understand, but I would like confirmation.
Since I am not modifying any existing software, I am creating new software,
I can charge for the new software. This could be a license fee or
something.
You can't GPL it and charge for the *GPL* version. However, as you're
the sole author, you could LICENSE the code for a fee and release old
versions under GPL for free (which others could do whatever they want
with except sell or re-license). Always put your Copyright on every code
file.
I, of course, cannot and would not charge them for GCC, Apache, or for
that
matter Linux in general, except to the extent that I provide them a
distribution (I burn a CD for them and/or install it on a computer).
Mini-SQL has it's own license (NON GPL) that they would have to purchase
separately (I developed this as a student, so I am not require to pay money
for a license, but they would as a commercial site/use).
In essence, I am providing them C code, which they can compile and
execute.
Am I in the ballpark or have I gone off the deep end?
Thanks,
Brooks
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Kernel-Module for Intel 82595-Based Ethernet Card
Hi, do you know, how I can compile a kernel with make menuconfig for modularized support of the Intel 82595-Based Ethernet Card? In the directory /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.17/drivers/net you'll find eepro.c eepro100.c eexpress.c as C program textfiles, but I don't see there an relation between the menupoint Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) - EtherExpressPro/100 support ! Is this -single- choice able to support all types of Intel-Ethernet Cards ?? After compilation of an adapted -successfully 2 processors (Intel Pebtium I, 133Mcs) supporting- kernel, my ether-card will not be recognized during booting up. By the way, this ether-card works with the generic kernel, which was installed at the initial Debian 2.2 installation. Has somebody an idea, how to do correctly? Many thanks, Christoph Walther Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sawfish heads-up
Andy Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are those who would have you believe that Colin Watson wrote: If you upgrade sawfish to the one in unstable at the moment, don't follow the instruction that says: execute 'kill -9 `pidof sawfish`;sawfish' in a terminal I did so without thinking, and of course lost all my state. I don't see any reason not to use the old 'sawfish-client -f restart', apart from the cosmetic problem of the spurious error message, but no doubt I'll find out as a result of the bug report I've just filed. 'kill -1' might work, but I've no intention of blowing up my X session again just to find out ... What do you mean when you say you lost all of your state? FWIW, I did this on my laptop and didn't have any problems. Maybe you're running something like gnome-session as your session manager (the last thing in your .xsession). If you're like me and don't use full-blown GNOME, the last thing your .xsession does is often to run your window manager, and thus being advised to kill it is bad news. Looking before I leaped would have helped, I admit :) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
postgresql will not configure
Hi. I am trying to install and use postgresql, but it will not configure itself. Here is what I get from the script. Setting up postgresql (7.0.2-6) ... PostgreSQL databases can be created with any one of a number of different character encodings. Please choose the default encoding, which will be used for all newly-created databases in the absence of a specific encoding specification. The choices are: SQL_ASCII ASCII EUC_JP Japanese EUC EUC_CN Chinese EUC EUC_KR Korean EUC EUC_TW Taiwan EUC UNICODE Unicode(UTF-8) MULE_INTERNAL Mule internal LATIN1 ISO 8859-1 English and some European languages LATIN2 ISO 8859-2 English and some European languages LATIN3 ISO 8859-3 English and some European languages LATIN4 ISO 8859-4 English and some European languages LATIN5 ISO 8859-5 English and some European languages KOI8KOI8-R WIN Windows CP1251 ALT Windows CP866 Enter default encoding (UNICODE): Now installing the PostgreSQL database files in /var/lib/postgres/data su postgres -c cd /var/lib/postgres; . ./.profile; initdb --encoding UNICODE --pglib /usr/lib/postgresql/lib --pgdata /var/lib/postgres/data --sysid 31 Could not determine current user name. You are really hosed. dpkg: error processing postgresql (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: postgresql Any assistance would be appreciated. -- John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sawfish heads-up
There are those who would have you believe that Colin Watson wrote: Andy Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are those who would have you believe that Colin Watson wrote: If you upgrade sawfish to the one in unstable at the moment, don't follow the instruction that says: execute 'kill -9 `pidof sawfish`;sawfish' in a terminal I did so without thinking, and of course lost all my state. I don't see any reason not to use the old 'sawfish-client -f restart', apart from the cosmetic problem of the spurious error message, but no doubt I'll find out as a result of the bug report I've just filed. 'kill -1' might work, but I've no intention of blowing up my X session again just to find out ... What do you mean when you say you lost all of your state? FWIW, I did this on my laptop and didn't have any problems. Maybe you're running something like gnome-session as your session manager (the last thing in your .xsession). If you're like me and don't use full-blown GNOME, the last thing your .xsession does is often to run your window manager, and thus being advised to kill it is bad news. Looking before I leaped would have helped, I admit :) You're right, that's exactly what I do. I just wanted to be sure I understood what you were saying before I do this on any other machines ;-). How about this instead: pidof gnome-session kill -9 `pidof sawfish`;sawfish
Re: Horrifying suggestion
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 01:33:45PM +0100, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: Ethan Benson wrote: teaching newbies how to run arbitrary code as root on there machine without having the slightest idea what it is going to do is a bad idea. the fact that this is targeted at newbies makes it WORSE. Well I'm certainly not advocating the above. All my suggestion did was to provide a way _in_ to Debian, for someone who might be interested in trying it out, but who isn't familiar with Linux. There's almost nothing you've said in your mails that I don't agree with - we're singing from the same hymn sheet, so to speak. well your advocating users run lynx --source | /bin/sh which is running arbitrary code from a web site as root. now going to the site looking at the shell script, downloading to a file running chmod +x and then running it is a bit less evil. [deletia] 5) [EMAIL PROTECTED] panel Now we're getting somewhere... maybe this can be automated? Newbie goes back to the books, finds out which files to edit. since when has debian been this bad? if you select the gnome stuff in tasksel or dselect you get a a working gnome desktop. Using go-gnome? Elapsed time 25 minutes. OK, newbie is still dumb, but now has an opportunity to click around the system and find out stuff, maybe even discover that Debian is better that 'doze! Newbie even gets sawfish installed, so the GUI looks nicer still! now newbie goes wondering around on the web and finds a page saying c00l things will occur if they run lynx --source http://crack.me.plenty/install-a-trojan.txt | /bin/sh and they figure why not it worked for gnome! they might do it anyway even if htey never heard of that before but hopefully the fact of such a command being totally unknown they might hesitate long enough for that common sense thing to kick in. or lets say they accidently type lynx --source http://gognome.org | sh or go-gnome.net Hear, hear! Never run arbitrary code from a web server as root!! Now if the helix-gnome packages could just be incorporated into Debian, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. it was recently challenged on -devel to point out exactly what is so unusable and broken about debian gnome, and you know what? nobody could answer that, other then a couple vague comments about a couple bugs being fixed and a purely subjective opinion that the lighter color tone selected by default in helix compared to debian was easier o the eyes. what is so special about helix? the truth is debian gnome is just fine and most certainly is good enough for said newbie to get along until they learn enough to install helix properly if so still want to. (maybe using debian gnome text editors to add apt lists) To look at the script, just enter this url in your favourite web browser: http://go-gnome.com/ so tell newbies to go look at it, save it, make it executable and then run it. don't make things too easy. otherwise they will soon become complacent and i can tell them `sure i can fix that problem, just run lynx --source http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/install-this-trojan | /bin/sh that happily adds that inetd line i sarcasticlly mentioned earlier. (no such file exists don't worry) And if the newbie can't get it installed at all, then he/she is also kept from learning this new system. More money goes into B*ll G***s pockets as newbie gives up and buys 'doze2K. bzzzt, debian gnome is right there in the tasksel window and despite popular belief its just fine. I couldn't agree more! Long Live Linux! GNU/Linux ;-) -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpV7YyadAiN9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Inconsistent Emacs behavior in X
Thanks, Mark. Now I see the problem was caused by my video card! At home XF86Setup crashes my system so I used xf86config instead. So the XF86Config file on the two machines were written by different programs. Chris On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Mark Phillips wrote: Chris Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two machines set up with Woody. When I run X Windows on one I can use Alt as the Meta key in Emacs, on the other machine I just get a beep and have to use ESC. I'd like to use Alt as Meta on both. Alt works as Meta on the console on both. Any idea what I might have done differently to cause the difference in behavior? You probably have different XF86Config files. To get alt as meta, you can put it in your Keyboard section. Mine is the following: Section Keyboard ProtocolStandard AutoRepeat 500 4# was 500 30 LeftAlt Meta RightAltMeta ScrollLock Compose RightCtlControl XkbKeycodes xfree86 # XkbKeymap xfree86(us) XkbTypesdefault XkbCompat default XkbSymbols us(pc101) XkbGeometry pc XkbRulesxfree86 XkbModelpc101 XkbLayout us # XkbOptions ctrl:swapcaps EndSection Hope this helps. Cheers, Mark.
Re: GPL and software I have written
On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 09:17:13AM -0600, Brooks R. Robinson wrote:
Greetings!
I have a dilemma, and I expect this to end in a flame war, but here
goes...
I am a computer science student, and I also work as a system administrator.
For one of my classes, I have written an e-commerce package. It is written
in C using GCC, it uses Mini-SQL, and runs on Apache as a CGI program. My
employer has expressed interest it this particular piece of software (my
e-commerce package).
I have issues with my employer that cause me to not want to merely hand
over my work. I have never released/published any software that I have
written, so I am treading into new territory. Therefore, I have read
through the GPL, and I think I understand, but I would like confirmation.
Since I am not modifying any existing software, I am creating new software,
I can charge for the new software. This could be a license fee or
something.
I, of course, cannot and would not charge them for GCC, Apache, or for
that
matter Linux in general, except to the extent that I provide them a
distribution (I burn a CD for them and/or install it on a computer).
You can charge them whatever you want for all that. You can say that it
costs a thousand dollars for a copy of gcc or Apache. (Of course, they
may very well go download it for free, but that's their right, too.)
The only requirement (for the GPL'd stuff, anyway -- Apache isn't GPL'd)
is that you give them the source or at least 'make it available'. May
as well burn it on the CD to get it out of the way.
The 'Free' in DFSG or Free Software is about freedom, and that includes
the freedom to charge whatever you feel like for software, as long as
you don't forbid others from doing the same.
Mini-SQL has it's own license (NON GPL) that they would have to purchase
separately (I developed this as a student, so I am not require to pay money
for a license, but they would as a commercial site/use).
In essence, I am providing them C code, which they can compile and
execute. Am I in the ballpark or have I gone off the deep end?
Well, on your own work, you don't have to give them source (unless, of
course, it's not all yours -- if you decide you liked a GPLd 'foo'
program so you used some functions from it, your program would have to
be GPL'd as well). Merely compiling with gcc isn't enough to make your
program fall under any specific license requirement.
That said, you -should- give them source. It will make them a lot
happier (what happens if you get hit by a truck two days before a
critical security problem is found in your program?) and give them a
guarantee that future support, even past your demise, is conceivable.
If all they had was a binary, the cost of supporting it would be far too
high and they will at some point find themselves abandoned.
If you're not Microsoft, this can be a selling point. (Heck, it could
be a selling point if you -were- Microsoft.) Customers don't like being
stuck in an upgrade path. They don't like hearing the product they use
is no longer maintainable. With source, they can always retake the
reins of control even if the vendor disappears or abandons the program.
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Re: GPL and software I have written
Eric G . Miller wrote: You can't GPL it and charge for the *GPL* version. This is wrong. -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546 6623'rd GNU/Linux user at the Counter - http://counter.li.org/
procmail and VM under emacs
Hi, I use xemacs VM to read my email. I tried to install a .procmailrc file into my homedir, but that give me some big problems. More specifically, I told procmail to put my mail into ~/Mail/INBOX, which is my vm-primary-inbox. But vm complains that INBOX has changed, which is normal I think How should be procmail and vm be configured to work together? 10ks Leo -- Leo TheHobbit IRCnet #leiene ICQ 56656060 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GED/CS d? s-:+-: a C+++ U+++ L++(+++) P E+(++) W++ N+ K? o? !w O? M V--- PS+++ PE-- Y+ GPG+ t++ 5? X- R+ tv+ b D? DI? G e()* h(+) r--(---) y(+)--+++* --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: xkb settings, BackSpace not working in X
Ok... let's start with the beginning. Here are the packages I use(some might be irrelevant to my problems... included them just in case): -xfree86-comm v3.3.6-11 -xlib6g v3.3.6-11 -xserver-mach64 v3.3.6-11 -enlightenment v0.16.5-1 -gnome-core v1.2.3-helix /etc/X11/XF86Config Section Keyboard Protocol Standard XkbRules xfree86 XkbModel pc102 XkbLayoutca EndSection /etc/X11/Xmodmap PC keyboard keycode 22 = BackSpace keycode 107 = Delete -- if more is required please ask. I really want to get rid of this problem as it is very annoying to only be able to delete in one direction!! Ian Stuart wrote: Olivier Dragon wrote: I'm using the latest version of XF86 (not quite sure of the exact version) that is available in woody. If you had to say I Obey., then it's X4.01, else it's X3.3.6 - and they are different! I've got problems in X with the xkb configuration. In X, my backspace [--] button does the same as the [Delete] button. I've tried modifying my XF86Config file but it doesn't work. Whatever I put in the keyboard section, nothing changes. I tried changing the language but I always have the qwerty/us configuration. When I use XF86Setup everything works fine, even when I click Done and X is loaded using the settings. But whevener I startx after that my keyboard doesn't follow XF86Config keyboard rules anymore. Here's the section from my XFree 4 config file, which gives me a UK keyboard: -- include Section ServerLayout Identifier XFree86 Configured Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection [snip] Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver keyboard Option XkbModel pc101 Option XkbLayout gb EndSection [snip] -- end include -
