Re: Help me setup AntiSpam filter

[s. keeling]

Bogdan Marian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  I need your advice people! I need to setup an AntiSpam filter on an 
>  older version of Postfix, on Debian Sarge. I would go to Etch, but i 
>  can't risk it for the moment, as the server I'm referring to is very 
>  important and can't be brought down right now by my tests ( the machine 
>  acts as a: router, webserver, mail server and dns server, so you get my 
>  point...).
>  Any suggestions, and links, and opinions will be greatly appreciated! 
>  Please guide me to an AntiSpam program!

Scheduled outages with reasons, approved by supervisor (who's got
approval from his supervisor, ...).

Or they cough up the bucks to buy a HA cluster where you can fail one
side, do it to it, bring it back up, fail the other side, do it to it,
...  That stuff gets expensive real quick.

My answer is, move SMTP off that box.  Buy yourself an ancient PIV and
point other boxes at SMTP running there.  Bite the bullet, man.  This
can be done for under $200 + your time.

For anti-spam, it can also do Spamassassin and Clamav.  Toss in Samba
and IMAP, to your tastes.

You guys are fools for running all your eggs in that one basket.  I
paid $160.00 for my latest PIV, and even dnetc (distributed.net) has
trouble bringing it to its knees.  It'd easily handle anything SMTP
could throw at it.


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Re: cron and command quote

[David Fox]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Jeff D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  so with || we get execute command1 OR  command2, whic ever one executes
>  first. I don't believe that this would be the desired result in this
>  situation.

Not precisely. According to "man bash" a sequence of command1 ||
command2 means only execute the second command if the first command
returns a non-zero exit status. Conversely, commaand1 && command2
means only execute command2 if command1 returns an exit status of
zero. The command on the left hand side always gets executed first.

>


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Re: Digital Camera

[David Fox]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:34 PM, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I've one seriously cheapo Concord Eye-Q 1000 (1.3 Mpx res.).  This
>  model is not listed in gtkam's database.  Does digiKam handle it?

There's no exact match in digikam (current lenny) but there are some
other close models to that Concord model. You might try one of those.
Does that camera mount as a USB device or PTP?

On the subject of cheap cameras, my first foray was a $10 key chain
camera that really sucked but I managed to get it working in Linux,
but I had to use gphoto2 to do it. And if the USB manufacturer ID
isn't there, chances are it's not supported. The little I checked on
Google for this camera, I didn't manage to see anything that said it
was supported. But it has a better chance of being supported possibly
because there are free "open" (so called) drivers on the Net for it.
Which of course, could mean anything, like a binary wrapper claiming
they gave you source code when they really didn't.

>From 'gphoto2" on my system - it seems that these are the same models
that digikam supports, presumably because digikam uses gphoto2 as a a
backend (not sure about this).

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gphoto2 --list-cameras | grep Concord
"Concord Eye-Q Duo" (EXPERIMENTAL)
"Concord Eye-Q Easy" (EXPERIMENTAL)
"Concord EyeQ 4330" (EXPERIMENTAL)
"Concord EyeQMini_1" (EXPERIMENTAL)
"Concord EyeQMini_2" (EXPERIMENTAL)

Again, not the exact model, but this is a good starting point. Another
possibility (should this not be helpful) would be to inquire on the
gphoto2 mailing list. I did that before to get feedback and to help
test various ways to use that cheap camera before I saw reason and got
a Kodak C310 :).

All this is moot IF your camera supports a removable SD card (which it
seems to) since it is far easier to just get a cheap SD card reader
USB attachment, and take the card out when you want to download the
pictures.


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Re: Thank you for keeping stable just the way it is!

[Owen Townend]

[snip]

>
> >  You guys know about reportbug --kudos right? That is a cool way to
> thank
>
>
> No.  Jeez, Debian just keeps on getting deeper and deeper!  Thanks.
> man reportbug.
>
> Shouldn't somebody report this to the coreutils maintainer so they can
> implemement it across the board there?  Depending on implementation,
> it could call reportbug or rpm or emerge ...
>
> Every app strives to evolve to the level of sending mail, yes?
>
> We could give the spammers a run for their money.
>
> blah && blah --kudos
>
>
>
seconded, (or thirded)

--kudos sounds good, didn't know about it
  Though for totally non-function related easter eggs my favourite is still
`apt-get moo`
  (and/or the `aptitude [-v] ... moo` chain)

cheers,
Owen.

Errant ld-linux.so.2

[Patrick Wiseman]

Every now and then, I have an apparently memory-leaking ld-linux.so.2
process running.  When I kill it, nothing else seems adversely
affected.  Is there some way I can identify what's spawned it?

Patrick


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Re: Digital Camera

[s. keeling]

Nick Boyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Tyler Smith wrote:
> >> Robert Thompson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Question is: How does digital cameras work with
> >>> Debian?
> >
> > I've found gthumb to be a pretty good place to begin
> > There are doubtless also KDE apps that do the same thing, if you
> > prefer.
> 
>  For KDE there is 'digiKam' :
>  http://www.digikam.org/about.html
>  http://packages.debian.org/digikam

On my system (pretty much bare-metal + X), that wants to slurp in
about twenty packages.  gthumb wants to slurp in just about as
many.  :-)

I've one seriously cheapo Concord Eye-Q 1000 (1.3 Mpx res.).  This
model is not listed in gtkam's database.  Does digiKam handle it?


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Re: etch nvidia xorg nvidia-glx-legacy X crashes

[Owen Townend]

On 24 Mar 2008 20:43:26 -0400, Hugh Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I've been trying to install the nvidia driver.  I managed to get it
> working, but my solution is not entirely satisfactory, because it's
> vulnerable to an update of the nvidia-glx-legacy package.  I'll trace
> through the problem, and perhaps somebody can point to a better way.
>
> Debian etch
> nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x] (rev a1)
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run ("the installer")
> nvidia-glx-legacy
>
> I used the  installer to compile and install the nvidia video
> driver module, but X crashed on next boot.  I couldn't find any
> documentation warning about this after much searching.  I did however
> figure out what was causing the problem.
>
> The init file /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx-legacy was causing the X crashes,
> by fiddling with needed links and file locations in the libraries.  I
> fixed this by the following:
>
> # cd /etc/init.d
> # mv nvidia-glx-legacy XXnvidia-glx-legacy
>
> How I tested this:
>
> First I installed the module
> #  sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run
>
> Upon success, I rebooted.  Then X failed to run.  So I used a rescue
> linux to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use the "nv" driver rather than
> the "nvidia" one, and rebooted again.
>
> Then I tested the installation of the nvidia module.
>
> # sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run  --sanity
>
> The output of this program showed that files were missing, so I
> installed the nvidia module once more:
>
> #  sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run
>
> Staying in the console, I ran this:
>
> # sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run  --sanity
>
> No missing files. Then I ran:
>
> #  /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx-legacy
>
> and ran the sanity check once more:
>
> # sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run  --sanity
>
> The sanity check showed files were missing again. So, I installed the
> nvidia module once more:
>
> #  sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run
>
> and did this:
>
> # mv nvidia-glx-legacy XXnvidia-glx-legacy
>
> Upon reboot, the nvidia logo appeared and X started normally.
>
> QED: /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx-legacy, a part of the nvidia-glx-legacy
> package
> makes it impossible for me to use the nvidia video driver, as
> installed by NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run
>
>
>
Hey,

  Are you using the legacy
drivers or are they simply being installed alongside and causing issues?

  The nvidia-glx-legacy isn't for the Geforce4 line:

>From `apt-cache show nvidia-glx-legacy`:

Description: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver
These XFree86 4.x/X.Org binary drivers provide optimized hardware
acceleration
of OpenGL applications via a direct-rendering X Server and supports the TNT,
TNT2, TNT Ultra, GeForce, and GeForce2 chipsets. AGP, TV-out and flat panel
displays are also supported.
.
This is the 'legacy' driver for older chipsets. Unless your chipset is
explicitly listed in the above paragraph, please use the nvidia-glx driver,
which is much more up to date.

cheers,
Owen.

Re: Routing and Gnome PPP

[John Hasler]

Doug writes:
> Or, just switch to pppconfig and create a button that runs "pon" and
> "poff".

Gpppon provides just such a button.
-- 
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Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed

[s. keeling]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT)
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>Hi, Andrei, I guess you know something I don't know(not that
> >>that's a surprise)  Why would I take my netinstall file
> >>(167 Mb) and put it on a CD unless the CD was _bootable_?
> >>The CD would have to be made bootable, and would have I guess
> >>to have an initrd-img on it as well.
> >
> > No, you don't. The netinst image is self-containing, so just burn it
> > on a CD, the computer will boot from it, there are no more actions
> > neccessary.
> 
> I don't need to now, but just for scientific experiment I'll
> do this, and see what happens.

Even with computers with BIOS too old to boot from CD, Debian CDs
provide sbm (smart boot manager) which can boot it from a floppy,
which then boots a CD.  Mount a Debian CD and "cd /cdrom/install"


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Re: Thank you for keeping stable just the way it is!

[s. keeling]

Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Mumia W.. wrote:
> 
> > On 03/24/2008 05:20 AM, Rico Secada wrote:
> >> This goes out to all Debian developers/advocates.
> >> 
> >> Despite my other post with a question about using testing in production,
> >> I fully understand the way stable is, and I greatly appreciate it!
> >> 
> > Seconded.
> 
>  You guys know about reportbug --kudos right? That is a cool way to thank

No.  Jeez, Debian just keeps on getting deeper and deeper!  Thanks.
man reportbug.

Shouldn't somebody report this to the coreutils maintainer so they can
implemement it across the board there?  Depending on implementation,
it could call reportbug or rpm or emerge ...

Every app strives to evolve to the level of sending mail, yes?

We could give the spammers a run for their money.

blah && blah --kudos


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Re: continuity of a topic in debian-user

[s. keeling]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Vikki, s. keeling, Ron,
> 
>  Thanks for the comments.
> 
>  The MUA is in Oberon and I don't want to 
>  abandon it.

fwiw, I (as Ron alluded) also use a less than conformant toolset.  I
read the mailinglist in a mail to news gateway, in an NNTP
newsreader (the eeii! slrn; you're such a twit at
times, Ron).  Apparently, it isn't doing things to Ron's satisfaction,
but I'm still working on it.  Perhaps Oberon can be tweaked
similarly?

>  I read the messages from the Web based archive 
>  so there is no question of replying directly 
>  to an emessage.  When there is time, I can look 
>  for a way to incorporate the message id into 
>  my reply.

I second the gmane suggestion made by others.

btw, the Message-Id: header may be utterly wrong (testing), caveat
emptor.

Ron, you for Obama or Billary?


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ATI all in wonder 9600

[Rich Healey]

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Hi List,

Has anyone got one of these working well dual head?

I've got he right driver, and using the aticonfig script i just can't
get tit to work.

The clsoest i come is firing up X, enlightenment (dr17, latest cvs) sees
it as two xinerama screens, but if i move a windows off screen towards
the other screen, the cursor goes to the other screen, but the
application window comes accross the first screen from the other side.

I remember last time i had this problem (i upgraded from 32 bit to amd64
on this machine last night, but both on debian testing) it was a really
simple aticonfig option, but i've tried all the obvious ones.

Any help appreciated.


Regards


Rich Healey
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Re: windows partition not usable

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:45:05PM +, Hans-Gerhard Schrick wrote:
> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> #
> #
> proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
> /dev/hda4   /   reiserfs notail  0   1
> /dev/hda3   noneswapsw  0   0
> /dev/hdc/media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0   0
> /dev/hda2   /mnt/winfat32  rw,noauto0 0
> Here is my /etc/fstab. I don't remember, whether I wrote the last line
> by myself. But with the program testdisk partition 2 is a FAT32 LBA.

What error do you get when, as root, to run:
# mount /mnt/win

?

Also, while it should work, I think fat filesystems need some extra
parameters to take care of things like UID/GID and encoding (e.g. UTF
type) since fat doesn't know about either.


> 
> TestDisk 6.5, Data Recovery Utility, October 2006
> Christophe GRENIER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://www.cgsecurity.org
> 
> Disk /dev/hda - 100 GB / 93 GiB - CHS 12161 255 63
> Current partition structure:
>  Partition  StartEndSize in sectors
>  1 P Compaq Diagnostics   0   1  1   381 254 636136767
>  2 * FAT32 LBA  382   0  1  6239 254 63   94108770 [ACER]
>  3 P Linux Swap6240   0  1  6435 254 633148740
>  4 P Linux 6436   0  1 12160 254 63   91972125
> 
> Perhaps you know now, how I can bring my windows partition to work. I
> really only need it for dragon naturally speaking and cdex. I haven't
> tried grip yet.


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Re: Routing and Gnome PPP

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 04:31:40PM -0600, Walt L. Williams wrote:
> I have been successful in getting Debian onto the internet
> using Gnome PPP. (I have dailup) the one small quirk is
> I have to manually add a default route to ppp0 to get it to
> work.
> 
> Is there a way to include the command to add a default
> route to Gnome PPP so I don't have to keep adding it 
> manually?
> 

Well, I use pppconf and just do "pon courier" (I have a 3Com Courier
modem) from a command line.  My /etc/ppp/peers/courier file has the
line:

defaultroute

which is added as a parameter to the pppd command line.

I've never used Gnome PPP (nor Gnome) but you're looking for some
"defaultroute" command.  

Or, just switch to pppconfig and create a button that runs "pon" and
"poff".

Good luck.

Doug.


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Re: amd 690g chipset

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 07:45:47PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:56:45 -0400
> "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I would suggest trying links2.  It is light weight but does javascript,
> > SSL, etc and will help you decide if the problem is the browser or the
> > video rendering.
> 
> I don't see javascript support in my links2, and according to the
> changelog, it was removed in v. 2.1pre29:

Well, I'm running Etch with links2 at version 2.1pre26.  If javascript
is removed that's too bad.  I wonder if there's another text-only
browser with javascript.

Doug.


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Re: DELL Inspiron 530N

[mike]

Tom Goulet wrote:

On 3/22/08, DebianMike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

I have just received a Dell Inspiron 530N pre-installed with Ubuntu. I
am now trying to figure out how to install debian on it. When I try to
boot my Debian LiveCD (20070716-07:09) I am getting an error message
similar to :
*"can't access tty; job control turned off"
*does anyone have a clue what this means?



It means you can't hit ctrl+z to put a job in the background.

It's a very minor error message.

Another person suggested that if you want to install Debian you can
use a Debian install CD.  That sounds like a good idea to me too.

Good luck!

Tom

  
Here is what I have figured out so far (i think). 
The system will "boot" from the CD-Drive but when the kernel takes over 
it doesn't have the driver for this CD-Drive.  I have used knoppix, etch 
liveCD and network install cds.  I then downloaded the first testing cd 
and the kernel found the cd player.  But then it couldn't find the 
network card.  I can tell with ubuntu that the driver is e1000-ich9.  
I'm not sure how to tell what driver ubuntu is using for the cd-drive.  
I guess Dell adds these drivers to the Ubuntu dist. because they aren't 
on the CD that they sent.  I sure hope they are on the restore partion .


I guess I am just stuck on the bleeding edge of technology. 
(ubuntu is looking better and better)


Thanks for everyones help and comments!
-Mike


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Re: Configuring dhcp3 to send hostname mappings to clients

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 01:45:55PM +0100, Joost Witteveen wrote:
> On 23/03/2008, Reid Priedhorsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> >  My /etc/hosts contains a handful of mappings useful on my internal subnet:
> >
> >  10.0.0.2  reidster.net reidster
> >  10.0.0.4  convex.reidster.net  convex
> >  10.0.0.4  toys.reidster.nettoys.reidster
> >  10.0.0.4  yabman.reidster.net  yabman
> >
> >  The same box is also a DHCP server, using dhcp3 for a couple of laptops
> >  which are transient on the network. I would like to pass the mappings
> >  above on to the laptops using dhcp3. Is this possible?
> 
> I don't think it is.
> 
> What I would do is install a DNS server (eg bind9), and in
> /etc/dhcpd.conf put a line like:
>   option domain-name-servers 10.0.0.4;
> and then configure the bind to serve the mappings you want.
> (you'll need seperate files for reverse mappings)
> 

You could install dnsmasq (a caching dns server and dhcp server) which
would serve the /etc/hosts contents and then the other boxes (including
the laptops) would only have to know that their nameserver is your box.

Doug.


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etch nvidia xorg nvidia-glx-legacy X crashes

[Hugh Lawson]

I've been trying to install the nvidia driver.  I managed to get it
working, but my solution is not entirely satisfactory, because it's
vulnerable to an update of the nvidia-glx-legacy package.  I'll trace
through the problem, and perhaps somebody can point to a better way.

Debian etch
nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x] (rev a1)
NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run ("the installer")
nvidia-glx-legacy

I used the  installer to compile and install the nvidia video
driver module, but X crashed on next boot.  I couldn't find any
documentation warning about this after much searching.  I did however
figure out what was causing the problem.

The init file /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx-legacy was causing the X crashes,
by fiddling with needed links and file locations in the libraries.  I
fixed this by the following:

# cd /etc/init.d
# mv nvidia-glx-legacy XXnvidia-glx-legacy 

How I tested this:

First I installed the module
#  sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run 

Upon success, I rebooted.  Then X failed to run.  So I used a rescue
linux to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use the "nv" driver rather than
the "nvidia" one, and rebooted again.

Then I tested the installation of the nvidia module.

# sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run  --sanity

The output of this program showed that files were missing, so I
installed the nvidia module once more:

#  sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run

Staying in the console, I ran this:

# sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run  --sanity

No missing files. Then I ran:

#  /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx-legacy

and ran the sanity check once more:

# sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run  --sanity

The sanity check showed files were missing again. So, I installed the
nvidia module once more:

#  sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run 

and did this:

# mv nvidia-glx-legacy XXnvidia-glx-legacy 

Upon reboot, the nvidia logo appeared and X started normally.

QED: /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx-legacy, a part of the nvidia-glx-legacy package 
makes it impossible for me to use the nvidia video driver, as
installed by NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run






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Re: Help me setup AntiSpam filter

[Mark Allums]

Mike Bird wrote:

On Mon March 24 2008 16:08:29 Mark Allums wrote:

If at all possible, set up a new machine with Etch to use as a mail
server, and migrate to it.  If possible, get another machine to be a
router, another one to be a web server and DNS server.  Then, take down
the existing machine, upgrade it, and transfer web or DNS back to it.
'Tis better to separate these functions onto different machines, if
possible.


Different functions on different machines is more of a Microsoft view
of the universe.  With Linux you only need to start separating functions
if there is a specific reason such as CPU load or geographical separation
of DNS servers.



Oh, that is a bit parochial.  You might not need four separate machines,
but the mail, at least, should be on it's own machine.  Especially if
you are going to run a spam filter.  And with spam filtering and
virus-checking, you want a speedy disk subsystem, too.  Think along the
lines of a database server, for comparison.

Router and DNS can certainly live together.  Web server too, if it is
light traffic.



I'd just migrate the functions one at a time to a new machine.


Exactly.



Meanwhile, I'd use spamassassin out of per-user procmail to solve the
OP's dilemma.  You can set this up on one test account and mess with
it until you're happy, without affecting other users.  Then you can
move the procmail config to a system-wide procmailrc.


Yes, exactly.

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Re: Digital Camera

[Charlie]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Adam Hardy shared this with us all:
>--} nikon D60 on 23/03/08 20:37, wrote:
>--} > http://www.nikond60.com Nikon D60
>--} >
>--} > Robert Thompson wrote:
>--} >> Hello All,
>--} >>I also have a digital camera that I love. It is a Sony that uses a
> USB --} >> to
>--} >> connect to the computer. Question is: How does digital cameras work
> with --} >> Debian?
>--}
>--} Try:
>--}
>--} sudo gphoto2 --auto-detect -P

This might not suit but I do it this way:

Plug in your camera, or have your camera plugged in when you boot:

Using  as root - discover the UUID="" of the camera and 
make a suitable entry into your /etc/fstab file:

UUID=  /camvfatrw,user,noauto  0   0

Plug your camera in whenever you have photos to remove from it
 or  them to the directory you want on your hard drive and work on 
them there with Gimp.

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Re: Help me setup AntiSpam filter

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/24/08 18:27, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon March 24 2008 16:08:29 Mark Allums wrote:
>> If at all possible, set up a new machine with Etch to use as a mail
>> server, and migrate to it.  If possible, get another machine to be a
>> router, another one to be a web server and DNS server.  Then, take down
>> the existing machine, upgrade it, and transfer web or DNS back to it.
>> 'Tis better to separate these functions onto different machines, if
>> possible.
> 
> Different functions on different machines is more of a Microsoft view
> of the universe.  With Linux you only need to start separating functions
> if there is a specific reason such as CPU load or geographical separation
> of DNS servers.

Very true.  But it's also putting all your eggs in one basket.
Catastrophic machine failure and all (or, many) services go down.
Separating them into discrete low-power servers greatly reduces that
possibility.

Note that this *not* the Microsoft Reason for having a discrete
server for each function.

> I'd just migrate the functions one at a time to a new machine.
> 
> Meanwhile, I'd use spamassassin out of per-user procmail to solve the
> OP's dilemma.  You can set this up on one test account and mess with
> it until you're happy, without affecting other users.  Then you can
> move the procmail config to a system-wide procmailrc.

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Re: amd 690g chipset

[Celejar]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:56:45 -0400
"Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> I would suggest trying links2.  It is light weight but does javascript,
> SSL, etc and will help you decide if the problem is the browser or the
> video rendering.

I don't see javascript support in my links2, and according to the
changelog, it was removed in v. 2.1pre29:

> Mon Apr 16 01:49:07 MET DST 2007 mikulas:
> 
> Javascript was removed. The reason is that it is very buggy, Martin
> Pergel doesn't have time to develop it and code is so messy that no 
> one
> else can understand it.
> 
> If you use links for special purposes (embedded devices, etc.), you 
> can
> bring javascript back by copying javascript files from previous 
> release,
> removing "dnl javascript" lines from configure.in, adding *.c and *.h
> files to Makefile.am and re-running automake and autoconf.
> 
> Javascript hooks from main code were not removed --- they just won't 
> be
> maintained.

I was recently looking for a TUI browser that supported JS, and was
unable to find a single one, at least one that was available as a
binary deb.

[The purpose was to access via the Internet a router /
AP / firewall that was configured to only allow access to its web based
management interface through its internal interfaces.  The router was
configured to forward incoming SSH connections to a (headless) Debian
box on the local network ('edith'), so I thought I'd just remotely
install a TUI browser onto edith, and then use it to access the
router.  As I said, after much fruitless searching, I was unable to
find a single TUI browser that supported JS.  I eventually found a
different solution (TIMTOWTDI); run a proxy (SOCKS or HTTP) on edith,
tunnel a port across the ssh connection ('ssh -L
8118:my_dynamic_dns_name:8118'), and configure my regular GUI browser
(IW) to use a proxy at the tunneled port.  I suppose I could have used
ssh itself as the proxy with the '-D' option, but I'm used to using
'-L'.]

> Doug.

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Re: Help me setup AntiSpam filter

[Mike Bird]

On Mon March 24 2008 16:08:29 Mark Allums wrote:
> If at all possible, set up a new machine with Etch to use as a mail
> server, and migrate to it.  If possible, get another machine to be a
> router, another one to be a web server and DNS server.  Then, take down
> the existing machine, upgrade it, and transfer web or DNS back to it.
> 'Tis better to separate these functions onto different machines, if
> possible.

Different functions on different machines is more of a Microsoft view
of the universe.  With Linux you only need to start separating functions
if there is a specific reason such as CPU load or geographical separation
of DNS servers.

I'd just migrate the functions one at a time to a new machine.

Meanwhile, I'd use spamassassin out of per-user procmail to solve the
OP's dilemma.  You can set this up on one test account and mess with
it until you're happy, without affecting other users.  Then you can
move the procmail config to a system-wide procmailrc.

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Re: Thank you for keeping stable just the way it is!

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Mumia W.. wrote:

> On 03/24/2008 05:20 AM, Rico Secada wrote:
>> This goes out to all Debian developers/advocates.
>> 
>> Despite my other post with a question about using testing in production,
>> I fully understand the way stable is, and I greatly appreciate it!
>> 
> Seconded.
> 

You guys know about reportbug --kudos right? That is a cool way to thank
your favorite developers.

hth
raju
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Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch didn't upgrade the kernel and broke software RAID

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Siju George wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I upgraded from Sarge to Etch one of my servers.
> But the kernel is still the old kernel with sarge in the end and not
> Etch's. Any idea why?

Dont know the answer to your other question.

But in general, the kernel is not upgraded unless you have one of the kernel
meta packages installed. Even then, the old kernel is not removed. Having
old kernel around is quite handy, because if something goes amuck, you can
always reboot and use the old kernel till the problem(s) gets fixed.

hth
raju
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Re: Help me setup AntiSpam filter

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Bogdan Marian wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> I need your advice people! I need to setup an AntiSpam filter on an
> older version of Postfix, on Debian Sarge. I would go to Etch, but i
> can't risk it for the moment, as the server I'm referring to is very
> important and can't be brought down right now by my tests ( the machine
> acts as a: router, webserver, mail server and dns server, so you get my
> point...).
> Any suggestions, and links, and opinions will be greatly appreciated!
> Please guide me to an AntiSpam program!
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 

Why filter instead of rejecting the message outright? The disadvantage of
filtering is that you already used some of your bandwidth, storage (if the
emails are archived) etc., My suggestion (a bit extreme and may annoy
couple of users) is to reject the spam emails by sending a 5xx error at the
SMTP level. That way when you rejected a message, the sender knows that his
email has not reached the recipient. On the other hand, if you filtered a
good email then the receiver does not get it and the sender thinks
everything is fine and dandy!

This brings the question of how to reject or detect spam emails. I would
suggest to use something like a spamcop block list (SCBL) or a combination
of block lists (since SCBL could be quite aggressive) to identify spam
based on the originating IP address. This approach is real time since block
lists such as SCBL are constantly updated.

hth
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Re: Help me setup AntiSpam filter

[Mark Allums]

Bogdan Marian wrote:
I need your advice people! I need to setup an AntiSpam filter on an 

 older version of Postfix, on Debian Sarge. I would go to Etch, but i
 can't risk it for the moment, as the server I'm referring to is very
 important and can't be brought down right now by my tests ( the
 machine acts as a: router, webserver, mail server and dns server, so
 you get my point...).
 Any suggestions, and links, and opinions will be greatly appreciated!
 Please guide me to an AntiSpam program!


Hi, new here, hope I'm not stepping on any toes or committing bad
etiquette, I have a suggestion:

If at all possible, set up a new machine with Etch to use as a mail
server, and migrate to it.  If possible, get another machine to be a
router, another one to be a web server and DNS server.  Then, take down
the existing machine, upgrade it, and transfer web or DNS back to it.
'Tis better to separate these functions onto different machines, if
possible.

I realize it may not be possible, of course: budget, space, time,
effort, politics, etc.  But it is a worthy goal, or at least it's nice
to dream. :)

For the spam filter, I'd suggest SpamAssassin.

--Mark Allums


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windows partition not usable

[Hans-Gerhard Schrick]

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/hda4   /   reiserfs notail  0   1
/dev/hda3   noneswapsw  0   0
/dev/hdc/media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0   0
/dev/hda2   /mnt/winfat32  rw,noauto0   0
Here is my /etc/fstab. I don't remember, whether I wrote the last line
by myself. But with the program testdisk partition 2 is a FAT32 LBA.

TestDisk 6.5, Data Recovery Utility, October 2006
Christophe GRENIER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.cgsecurity.org

Disk /dev/hda - 100 GB / 93 GiB - CHS 12161 255 63
Current partition structure:
 Partition  StartEndSize in sectors
 1 P Compaq Diagnostics   0   1  1   381 254 636136767
 2 * FAT32 LBA  382   0  1  6239 254 63   94108770 [ACER]
 3 P Linux Swap6240   0  1  6435 254 633148740
 4 P Linux 6436   0  1 12160 254 63   91972125

Perhaps you know now, how I can bring my windows partition to work. I
really only need it for dragon naturally speaking and cdex. I haven't
tried grip yet.

Hans


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Routing and Gnome PPP

[Walt L. Williams]

Greetings

I have been successful in getting Debian onto the internet
using Gnome PPP. (I have dailup) the one small quirk is
I have to manually add a default route to ppp0 to get it to
work.

Is there a way to include the command to add a default
route to Gnome PPP so I don't have to keep adding it 
manually?

Best regards
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Re: naive question: sshfs with negative niceness

[Tom Goulet]

On 3/22/08, Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on my (little) cluster, I used sshfs to mount the `/home' directory
> on the worker nodes: is it possible (and recommended) to give a negative
> niceness to sshfs ?

You can run:
| nice -10 sshfs foo: /bar

You should be fine.

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Upgrade from Sarge to Etch didn't upgrade the kernel and broke software RAID

[Siju George]

Hi,

I upgraded from Sarge to Etch one of my servers.
But the kernel is still the old kernel with sarge in the end and not Etch's.
Any idea why?

Also it broke the the Software RAID and made superblocks of some
partition corrupted and I had to use xfs_repair to repair them but
stimm could not mount them as RAID partitions ( md*) only individual
partitions (hda* )

Any Idea why?

Is upgrade painful always like this?

Thanks

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Re: Merging all 30+ Debian CD's onto hard drive

[Michael Paulsen]

Florian,

You assume correctly I inserted;

  deb file:/mnt/maddog2/debian etch contrib main non-free

into /etc/apt/sources.list.

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction, I'll get your
suggestion a try and see what happens.

Regards,
Michael

On 3/24/08, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 17:02:18 -0700, Michael Paulsen wrote:
> > On 3/20/08, Michael Paulsen wrote:
> > > Hi ya,
> > >
> > > Debian Etch now has over 30 CD's. I'm bored with CD swapping every
> > > time I want to install a new package. Is it possible to merge the CD's
> > > to my hard drive and direct APT or DPKG to use the hard drive instead
> > > of all the CD's when installing new packages? What would the be the
> > > easiest way to do this?
> > >
> > > Thank You,
> > > mtp5150
> > >
> >
> > STATUS: Completed, Solved
> >
> > Hi Ya,
> >
> > First off let me thank all of you for providing input, advice, and
> > support.  I have successfully merged all of the CDs on to a hard drive
> > partition and it is working with one minor glitch.  I keep getting the
> > following error, "warning the following packages cannot be
> > authenticated".  APT-GET INSTALL does allow me to continue, so
> > everything is working.  I just don't know how to resolve this error
> > message, yet.
>
> You can try to put
>
> APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
>
> into a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/. This gets rid of the warning
> message for CDrom sources, but I am not sure if it will work for your
> configuration: I assume that you use a "file" declaration in your
> sources.list to refer to your merged archive on the hard disk. If this
> is not covered by the TrustCDROM directive (I never tried) then you may
> have to go through the procedure described in the ARCHIVE CONFIGURATION
> section of "man apt-secure".
>
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Re: Adding a ttyS

[Mumia W..]

On 03/24/2008 06:36 AM, Jean Létourneau wrote:

Goo day,

How do I add a /dev/rrtS?  I have 6 physical com port on my machine, but 
Debian only see 4 of them. I use the command MAKEDEV but they do not 
appear in the /dev, only in the /dev/.static/dev, I tryed to copy them 
from /dev.static/dev to the /dev, but still, my setserial keep saying my 
ttySx do not exist.


Thank you.

Jean




In Etch, /dev is managed by udev which wants to create device nodes on 
the fly. Entries in /dev are not persistent any more. You could create 
your own /usr/local/dev to contain your persistent device notes, or you 
could add the appropriate mknod commands to /etc/init.d/rc.local .


Good luck.


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Re: Thank you for keeping stable just the way it is!

[Mumia W..]

On 03/24/2008 05:20 AM, Rico Secada wrote:

This goes out to all Debian developers/advocates.

Despite my other post with a question about using testing in production,
I fully understand the way stable is, and I greatly appreciate it!

Being able to run a stable environment without having to worry about
updated packages that suddenly change setup, but at the same time
still receive security updates are just one of those things that make
Debian completely superior. 
[...]


Seconded.

This is why I donate to Debian. The quality of service they provide is 
quite high, and backporting a dozen or so security fixes each week /has/ 
to cost money.


I too want to say to the Debian developers, maintainers and 
administrators, "you succeeded in your objective. You created the best 
operating system. Thank you."



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Re: Help me setup AntiSpam filter

[Steve Kemp]

On Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 21:27:29 +0200, Bogdan Marian wrote:

> I need your advice people! I need to setup an AntiSpam filter on an  
> older version of Postfix, on Debian Sarge. I would go to Etch, but i  
> can't risk it for the moment, as the server I'm referring to is very  
> important and can't be brought down right now by my tests ( the machine  
> acts as a: router, webserver, mail server and dns server, so you get my  
> point...).

  I'd suggest you upgrade it regardless.  If it is important it
 needs security fixes..

  Anyway if you can't take down the service at all then you might
 have problems making any changes.

  I'd recommend QPSTMPD to do SMTP-time checks.  See here for
 details:

http://smtpd.develooper.com/

  Brief introduction here:

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/541

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Re: Adobe acroread upgrade breaks links, and a FIX

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:49:39 -0400
"Patrick Wiseman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Patrick,

> Maybe I caught the upgrade at a bad moment!

:-)

Indeed.   TBH, I have no idea what could have caused such a problem as
you describe.

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[tony mollica]

Hello.

I'm trying to get an understanding of udev and a usb floppy drive I have.
The drive is a Mitsumi usb floppy sold under the Nexxtech name and it
does work but there are a couple of behaviors that I don't understand.
First, without any udev rule mods, plugging the drive in results in a long
wait while 7 /dev/sd? are mounted at /media/usbdisk(s), usbdisk, usbdisk-1
thru usbdisk-6.  All are active and can be used.

/dev/sdh on /media/usbdisk type vfat
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
/dev/sdi on /media/usbdisk-1 type vfat
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
/dev/sdj on /media/usbdisk-2 type vfat
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
/dev/sdk on /media/usbdisk-3 type vfat
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
/dev/sdl on /media/usbdisk-4 type vfat
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
/dev/sdm on /media/usbdisk-5 type vfat
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
/dev/sdn on /media/usbdisk-6 type vfat
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)


If I use one of the udev rules below there is only one mount at
/media/usbdisk.

---
##udev local rules  /etc/udev/rules.d/010_local.rules

##Using SUBSYSTEM(S) block, scsi attributes
#SUBSYSTEM=="block",SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi",DRIVERS=="sd", ATTRS{model}=="USB
FDD 061M",NAME="NX_scsiflop"
#or
## Using SUBSYSTEM(S) block,usb
SUBSYSTEM=="block",SUBSYSTEMS=="usb",DRIVERS=="usb",ATTRS{model}=="MITSUMI
USB FDD 061M",NAME="NX_usbflop"
---
And the mount for the 'usb' rule above:

/dev/NX_usbflop on /media/usbdisk type vfat
(rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)

The relevant log report:

-
usb 1-7: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 35
usb 1-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
scsi36 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
usb-storage: device found at 35
usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
  Vendor: MITSUMI   Model: USB FDD 061M  Rev: 2.00
  Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 00
SCSI device sdg: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
sdg: Write Protect is off
sdg: Mode Sense: 00 46 02 00
sdg: assuming drive cache: write through
SCSI device sdg: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
sdg: Write Protect is off
sdg: Mode Sense: 00 46 02 00
sdg: assuming drive cache: write through
 sdg: unknown partition table
sd 36:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdg
sd 36:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0
  Vendor: MITSUMI   Model: USB FDD 061M  Rev: 2.00
  Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 00
SCSI device sdh: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
sdh: Write Protect is off
sdh: Mode Sense: 00 46 02 00
sdh: assuming drive cache: write through
SCSI device sdh: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
sdh: Write Protect is off
sdh: Mode Sense: 00 46 02 00
sdh: assuming drive cache: write through
 sdh: unknown partition table
sd 36:0:0:1: Attached scsi removable disk sdh
sd 36:0:0:1: Attached scsi generic sg7 type 0
  Vendor: MITSUMI   Model: USB FDD 061M  Rev: 2.00
  Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 00
SCSI device sdi: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
sdi: Write Protect is off
sdi: Mode Sense: 00 46 02 00
sdi: assuming drive cache: write through
SCSI device sdi: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
sdi: Write Protect is off
sdi: Mode Sense: 00 46 02 00
sdi: assuming drive cache: write through
 sdi: unknown partition table
sd 36:0:0:2: Attached scsi removable disk sdi
sd 36:0:0:2: Attached scsi generic sg8 type 0
  Vendor: MITSUMI   Model: USB FDD 061M  Rev: 2.00
  Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 00
SCSI device sdj: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
sdj: Write Protect is off
sdj: Mode Sense: 00 46 02 00
sdj: assuming drive cache: write through
SCSI device sdj: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
sdj: Write Protect is off
sdj: Mode Sense: 00 46 02 00
sdj: assuming drive cache: write through
 sdj:<3>FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems,
filesystem will be case sensitive!
 unknown partition table
sd 36:0:0:3: Attached scsi removable disk sdj
sd 36:0:0:3: Attached scsi generic sg9 type 0
  Vendor: MITSUMI   Model: USB FDD 061M  Rev: 2.00
  Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 00
SCSI device sdk: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB)
sdk: Write Protect is off
sdk: Mode Sense: 00 46 02 00
sdk: assuming drive cache: write through
SCSI device sdk: 2880 512-byte hdwr s

Re: Help me setup AntiSpam filter

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 09:27:29PM +0200, Bogdan Marian wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I need your advice people! I need to setup an AntiSpam filter on an  
> older version of Postfix, on Debian Sarge. I would go to Etch, but i  
> can't risk it for the moment, as the server I'm referring to is very  
> important and can't be brought down right now by my tests ( the machine  
> acts as a: router, webserver, mail server and dns server, so you get my  
> point...).
> Any suggestions, and links, and opinions will be greatly appreciated!  
> Please guide me to an AntiSpam program!

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/364

I haven't really read it but it might help.

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Re: Help me setup AntiSpam filter

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 09:27:29PM +0200, Bogdan Marian wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I need your advice people! I need to setup an AntiSpam filter on an older 
> version of Postfix, on Debian Sarge. I would go to Etch, but i can't risk 
> it for the moment, as the server I'm referring to is very important and 
> can't be brought down right now by my tests ( the machine acts as a: 
> router, webserver, mail server and dns server, so you get my point...).
> Any suggestions, and links, and opinions will be greatly appreciated! 
> Please guide me to an AntiSpam program!

I think you want SpamAssassin, but do plan an upgrade to etch as soon as 
possible.  Security support for Sarge has ended!

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> Timisoara, ROMANIA

Andrei
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Re: aptitude update "BADSIG" Error (getting silly now)

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 04:29:47 +, Nick Boyce wrote:
> Just wondering whether anyone here understands the cause of the "BADSIG"
> error from "aptitude update", which googling reveals has been
> experienced by quite a few people :
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2006/08/msg00100.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/12/msg00227.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/06/msg01121.html
>
> The usual suggested causes involve Debian mirrors in an inconsistent
> state while updating, broken packages, or corruptions in the package
> lists as a result of broken network connections.

Those are all the innocent explanations I can think of. More paranoid
explanations would go along the lines of someone trying to slip you
doctored packages via a man-in-the-middle attack. However, in your case
I think your proxy is the most likely culprit (see below).

> With the system I'm working on (a vanilla Etch-with-KDE system), on
> every occasion that BADSIG occurs, simply rerunning "aptitude update"
> succeeds, without having changed a thing.
>
> Some responses have pointed out that multiple backend machines serving a
> single repository alias will be offered by DNS round-robin, so on the
> 'aptitude update' rerun I'm probably talking to a different server -
> understood, but this does NOT mean there isn't a problem needing a fix,
> IMHO.

I don't think that such a problem would remain unnoticed and unfixed for
a long time for security.debian.org. Most other reports of the BADSIG
problem that I can remember involved much less known secondary mirrors.

You can put the IP addresses into your sources.list instead and check if
the error is tied to one particular server:

$ host security.debian.org
security.debian.org has address 128.31.0.36
security.debian.org has address 212.211.132.32
security.debian.org has address 212.211.132.250
security.debian.org mail is handled by 10 klecker.debian.org.

> Here's an example :
>
> MYBOX:/etc/apt# aptitude update
> Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
> Get:2 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release [22.5kB]

[...]

> Reading package lists... Done
> W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The
> following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian
> Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <...>
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>
> (seconds later ...)
> 
> MYBOX:/etc/apt# aptitude update
> Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
> Get:2 http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release.gpg [378B]

[...]

> Reading package lists... Done

It downloaded the Release.gpg file again for security.debian.org
etch/updates. The file was the same length (these signatures tend to be,
AFAIK) but it might have had the same content. The next time when the
problem appears, make a backup copy of

/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_Release.gpg

and check if the file has changed after you rerun "apt-get update" and
the error disappears. (This is just to rule out bugs with the gpg
signature verification routines.)

> In case it's relevant, this is on a system on my employer's network,
> with aptitude making connections to debian.org via our proxy firewall.

I download the updated Release and Release.gpg files from
security.debian.org (almost) every day and I do not recall ever having
this problem. As I have said already, I think that by far the most
likely cause is that your proxy sometimes serves you an outdated
Release(.gpg) file from its cache.

> The BADSIG error now occurs every single day.
>
> We have a nightly cronjob on several Debian boxes, that runs
> "aptitude update" and emails the sysadmins if updates are waiting - and
> the BADSIG situation is silly enough that I've had to add Bash code to
> deal with it, like this :

[...]

Maybe it would be enough to fetch the critical files yourself with "wget
--no-cache" to flush out-of-date versions before you run the "apt-get
update" command. Maybe the caching behavior of your proxy for these files
can be reconfigured.

> There must be a fixable cause for this.  If a mirror can get
> inconsistent when half a synchronisation has been done, then the refresh
> should be made atomic - the lock-out would only need to be for 5
> seconds, based on my experience.  If the lock-out resulted in a timeout
> (from aptitude) well at least that would be an understandable
> transient-type error to find in your Inbox in the morning - but a
> suspect package signature is downright alarming and leads to
> blood-curdling fear [I exaggerate slightly :)].
>
> I suppose, given that only /some/ users see this behaviour, the cause
> could be some kind of obscure timing fault caused by some oddity of
> local configuration.
>
> Or in our case maybe there's some weird caching problem with our web  
> proxy.  Does anyone see this error when /not/ using a proxy ?

I think people do sometimes see this without using a pr

associating names and addresses

[peasthope]

Douglas & anyone else interested,

At Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:12:44 -0400 Douglas Tutty wrote,
>> # /etc/hosts file
>> 127.0.0.1   peasthope.yi.orgjoule   localhost
>  ^^
>this should be: localhost.localdomain  localhost
>
>if you don't own peasthope.yi.org, then I wouldn't use it even locally.

I recalled why I associated the machine name 
joule with 127.0.0.1.  There is a message in 
the debian-user archive timestamped 
Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:56:19 -0800 with subject
"complaint from Xfce about address configuration".

Summarizing briefly, the system was working with 
a static address and did not have resolvconf 
installed.  Then /etc/network/interfaces was  
changed to use dhcp.  Xfce then complained as 
specified in the message cited above and 
suggested "... adding computer to /etc/hosts 
on your system."  A reply to my query chastised 
slightly for asking here rather than in the 
Xfce ML and suggested "hostname 127.0.0.1".

So I put the host name with 127.0.0.1 and Xfce 
stopped complaining.  Much later I installed 
resolvconf and made no connection to the earlier 
problem.

Conclusion
Well now I see that the correct solution to 
the original problem was to leave /etc/hosts 
with the line 
127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
and install resolvconf.  Unfortunately, this 
was not recognized at the time and the message 
from Xfce was misleading.

Some maintainers work at their documentation 
and have complete and accurate man pages. 
Other documentation has abysmal deficiencies 
and errors.  This is probably the worst 
shortcoming of Debian at this time.

Best regards,   ... Peter E.

Desktops.OpenDoc  http://carnot.yi.org/


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Re: aptitude update "BADSIG" Error (getting silly now)

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 04:29:47AM +, Nick Boyce wrote:
> Just wondering whether anyone here understands the cause of the "BADSIG"
> error from "aptitude update", which googling reveals has been
> experienced by quite a few people :
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2006/08/msg00100.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/12/msg00227.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/06/msg01121.html

Yes, I used to get this a lot with ftp.ro.debian.org. I switched to 
using ftp.at.debian.org and got rid of this.

Regards,
Andrei
P.S. Recently I ran apt-spy. It turned out ftp.at.debian.org is the best 
mirror for me. ftp.ro.debian.org didn't even make the top 5.
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Help me setup AntiSpam filter

[Bogdan Marian]

Hey,

I need your advice people! I need to setup an AntiSpam filter on an 
older version of Postfix, on Debian Sarge. I would go to Etch, but i 
can't risk it for the moment, as the server I'm referring to is very 
important and can't be brought down right now by my tests ( the machine 
acts as a: router, webserver, mail server and dns server, so you get my 
point...).
Any suggestions, and links, and opinions will be greatly appreciated! 
Please guide me to an AntiSpam program!


Thanks in advance,

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Re: Merging all 30+ Debian CD's onto hard drive

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 17:02:18 -0700, Michael Paulsen wrote:
> On 3/20/08, Michael Paulsen wrote:
> > Hi ya,
> >
> > Debian Etch now has over 30 CD's. I'm bored with CD swapping every
> > time I want to install a new package. Is it possible to merge the CD's
> > to my hard drive and direct APT or DPKG to use the hard drive instead
> > of all the CD's when installing new packages? What would the be the
> > easiest way to do this?
> >
> > Thank You,
> > mtp5150
> >
> 
> STATUS: Completed, Solved
> 
> Hi Ya,
> 
> First off let me thank all of you for providing input, advice, and
> support.  I have successfully merged all of the CDs on to a hard drive
> partition and it is working with one minor glitch.  I keep getting the
> following error, "warning the following packages cannot be
> authenticated".  APT-GET INSTALL does allow me to continue, so
> everything is working.  I just don't know how to resolve this error
> message, yet.

You can try to put

APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";

into a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/. This gets rid of the warning
message for CDrom sources, but I am not sure if it will work for your
configuration: I assume that you use a "file" declaration in your
sources.list to refer to your merged archive on the hard disk. If this
is not covered by the TrustCDROM directive (I never tried) then you may
have to go through the procedure described in the ARCHIVE CONFIGURATION
section of "man apt-secure".

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Re: sort files by name and maintain sort order when copying to mp3 player

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 09:09:22 -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > After two hours of searching with Google and Yahoo, I have not found a
> >  good approach to the problem of maintaining proper file order when
> >  copying mp3 files from an ext3 directory to a flash-based mp3 player.
> >
> >  Contrary to the instruction manual, the player (a Creative MUVO) plays
> >  files in the order in which they are written to flash memory, so if I
> >  have an audio book with a hundred chapters on an ext3 drive and then
> >  copy the book to the mp3 player, the chapters do not necessarily play
> >  in proper sequence.
> 
> I had a similar problem with a lousy mp3 player. What I did was copy
> the files directory by directory.
> 
> This does not work:
> cp -r ~/mp3/a_directory /mnt/usb
> 
> This works and mantains the order:
> mkdir /mnt/usb/a_directory
> cp ~/mp3/a_directory/* /mnt/usb/a_directory
> 
> It is certainly a pain in the ass if there are several directories,
> but at least it works. The * gets expanded to a file list in
> alphabetical order.

What about this:

find /your/source/ | sort | while read FILE; do cp "$FILE" /your/destination/; 
done

Maybe you want to check the sort order before you do the actual copying:

find /your/source/ | sort | while read FILE; do echo "$FILE"; done

The sort command has various options to influence the sorting order; it
might also depend on your LC_COLLATE setting (I am not sure about this).

You can also use the find + sort combination to compile a rough
playlist:

find /your/source/ | sort > playlist.txt

Then you can edit this playlist and afterwards copy the files in the
same order as they appear in the modified playlist:

while read FILE; do cp "$FILE" /your/destination/; done < playlist.txt

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Re: continuity of a topic in debian-user

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 07:02:49PM -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> 
> > Well gmane doesn't seem to preserve threading either so I guess this
> > leaves googlegroups.
> > 
> 
> I use gmane servers with knode. Never had a problem with threads on d-u or
> any other lists for that matter. Perhaps the problem is somewhere else.

I posted from the webinterface. Maybe that's why.

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Re: Adobe acroread upgrade breaks links, and a FIX

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Brad Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:45:08 -0400
>  "Patrick Wiseman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Hello Patrick,
>
>
>  > pointing to the wrong place after the upgrade.  These two commands
>  > will fix it:
>  >
>  > rm /etc/alternatives/acroread
>  > ln
>  > -s /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/bin/acroread-en /etc/alternatives/acroread
>  >
>  > You'll also need to run acroread outside the browser once to accept
>  > the license before it will work inside the browser (assuming you have
>  > nppdf.so properly installed).
>
>  Weird.  I had no such problems.

Maybe I caught the upgrade at a bad moment!

Patrick


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Re: Window backgrounds

[Ron Johnson]

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> Ron Johnson wrote the following on 24.03.2008 07:50
> 
> 
> 
>> I'd just copy the Sea Cork image from the Windows partition over to
>> your home directory and then to set the desktop image:
>> System->Preferences->"Control Center"->Appearance
> 
> heh funny
> I think OP isn't refering to a 'Sea Cork' but to 'see a cork'. ;)
> 
> And i think OP want to change the nautilus background tile not the
> desktop-background.

I won't even ask why...

Especially when xterm and bash are adequate to the task.

> Since i haven't git nautilus installed right now, the following is from top
> of my head:
> open the 'home' window
> click the second menu item and far down at the bottem there is 'change
> appearens' or similar.
> add the new custom background tile and drag 'n drop onto the 'home-window'
> background.

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Re: Display Resolution-Frequency (Debian vs Windows)

[Tom Goulet]

On 3/24/08, Sanjaya Vitharana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Selecting 1024 x 768 75 Hz choosing "Medium" will end up with 1024 x 768 60
> Hz.
>
> Now Desktop->Preferences->Screen Resolution has only 60 Hz option in
> dropdown for 1024 x 768.

Blast it.

Try installing gvidm, too.

Try using the "vesa" driver, instead of the SiS driver.

Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] too.

Beyond that, I'm sorry, but I don't think that I'll think up anything.
 Weird problem.

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Re: problems booting

[Freddy Freeloader]

Andrew Reid wrote:

On Sunday 23 March 2008 01:57, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
  

I assume I'm running into problems with udev not naming
the devices consistently but am not quite sure of my diagnosis or how to
fix it if that is the problem.  



  I don't think udev rules will fix it, since the udev rules
are on the root filesystem that it's not finding.

  I recommend using volume management, so that the root
filesystem ends up on /dev/mapper/vg0-root or something
similar -- this all gets set up in the initramfs, and 
elegantly avoids device-naming issues.


  Alternatively, you can mount the filesystems by label
or by UUID. 


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Thanks, Andrew.  That got me started in the right direction.  I ended up 
not using LVM as I didn't want that extra layer of complexity creating 
another point of failure, but I did get it working.



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Re: Display Resolution-Frequency (Debian vs Windows)

[Sanjaya Vitharana]

> I suspect that your monitor doesn't actually have a horizontal sync of
> 30 to 54, it's just wrong on the web site.  Why don't you run
> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again, and this time instead of picking
> "Advanced" to specify the numbers directly, choose "Medium" and pick
> "A monitor that can do 1024x768 at 75 Hz".
>

> I suppose this advice has the faint possibility that it will cause
> your monitor to melt, but I don't think so.
>
>
Hi Tom,

Selecting 1024 x 768 75 Hz choosing "Medium" will end up with 1024 x 768 60
Hz.

Now Desktop->Preferences->Screen Resolution has only 60 Hz option in
dropdown for 1024 x 768.

Don't no what to do.

Thanks,

Sanjaya Vitharana

Re: exim/postfix comparisons

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 24 March 2008 06:23:32 am Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> I've only used Exim because it's debian's default.  Exim v.3 was quite
> simple to set up.  Exim v.4 became far more complicated, so much so that
> debian made a debconf front-end to configuring it.  I still had to make
> some tweaks but it works.

Exim v.3 also used debconf.  The debconf configurator just got more attention 
in exim4-config.

> I've heard comments from respected frequent posters on this list both
> that they use postfix and that debian's decision to have Exim as default
> was controversial.

I have a hard time making heads or tails of postfix, but transitioning to exim 
from the former default (smail) was a snap back in the day.

> Just from a documentation perspective, Exim has its doc in one long
> spec.txt file whereas Postfix has a nice html book.

I believe exim is maintaining it in docbook.  spec.txt is the same as the 
documentation found in a far friendlier format on exim.org or in exim4-doc, 
etc; I've seen exim documentation in a wide variety of formats.

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Re: When will Security updates to Sarge stop?

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 24 March 2008 03:00:10 am Siju George wrote:
> Hi
>
> When will Security updates to Sarge stop?

See the Debian Releases page at http://www.debian.org/releases/

> I have some servers running it well?

Was that a statement or a question?  I personally have no idea if you have 
servers, much less whether or not they're running Debian well (though I 
suspect if you have servers, Debian runs on it well)...

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Re: Digital Camera

[Nick Boyce]

Tyler Smith wrote:


Robert Thompson wrote:

>>

Question is: How does digital cameras work with
Debian?


>

I've found gthumb to be a pretty good place to begin
There are doubtless also KDE apps that do the same thing, if you prefer.


For KDE there is 'digiKam' :
http://www.digikam.org/about.html
http://packages.debian.org/digikam

I haven't tried it (don't have a digital camera).

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Re: Adding a ttyS

[Steve Witt]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Jean Létourneau wrote:



Goo day,

How do I add a /dev/rrtS?  I have 6 physical com port on my machine, but
Debian only see 4 of them. I use the command MAKEDEV but they do not
appear in the /dev, only in the /dev/.static/dev, I tryed to copy them
from /dev.static/dev to the /dev, but still, my setserial keep saying my
ttySx do not exist.



'mknod' is the command you are looking for. I believe you'd want to issue 
the following commands (as root, of course) to create the additional 
/dev/ttyS4 and /dev/ttyS5 device files you desire.


# mknod /dev/ttyS4 -m 660 c 4 68
# mknod /dev/ttyS5 -m 660 c 4 69

Then I'd change the group to dialout to be consistant with the other 
ttyS* file configuration.

Re: Adobe acroread upgrade breaks links, and a FIX

[Brad Rogers]

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:45:08 -0400
"Patrick Wiseman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Patrick,

> pointing to the wrong place after the upgrade.  These two commands
> will fix it:
> 
> rm /etc/alternatives/acroread
> ln
> -s /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/bin/acroread-en /etc/alternatives/acroread
> 
> You'll also need to run acroread outside the browser once to accept
> the license before it will work inside the browser (assuming you have
> nppdf.so properly installed).

Weird.  I had no such problems.

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Re: etch: cannot mount usb hd

[Jörg Becker]

On Sunday 23 March 2008 19:49, Bernardo Dal Seno wrote:
> On 19/03/2008, Jörg Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  I also tried noauto in fstab an manually mount after boot. But with the
> > same result: device is busy.
>
> Does any error or warning message appear in kernel logs? Either at
> startup, or when you try to mount the device?
>
No, I don't find any error or warning message about my sdc2, but from 
device-mapper, in the kernel logs.

Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: SCSI device sdc: 586072367 512-byte hdwr 
sectors (300069 MB)
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: sdc: Write Protect is off
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: sdc: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: sdc: assuming drive cache: write through
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: SCSI device sdc: 586072367 512-byte hdwr 
sectors (300069 MB)
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: sdc: Write Protect is off
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: sdc: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: sdc: assuming drive cache: write through
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel:  sdc: sdc1 sdc2 sdc3
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdc

Nothing about mounting sdc2 or /media/backup. But after device scan I have 
some errors:

Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Filesystem "dm-0": Disabling barriers, not 
supported by the underlying device
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: device-mapper: table: 254:8: linear: 
dm-linear: Device lookup failed
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to 
table
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: device-mapper: table: 254:8: linear: 
dm-linear: Device lookup failed
...repeated some times...
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to 
table
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: device-mapper: table: 254:11: linear: 
dm-linear: Device lookup failed
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to 
table
...repeated some times...
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sda1
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: sda1
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Filesystem "dm-5": Disabling barriers, not 
supported by the underlying device
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: XFS mounting filesystem dm-5
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: dm-5
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Filesystem "dm-4": Disabling barriers, not 
supported by the underlying device
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: XFS mounting filesystem dm-4
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: dm-4
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Filesystem "dm-1": Disabling barriers, not 
supported by the underlying device
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: XFS mounting filesystem dm-1
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: dm-1
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Filesystem "dm-2": Disabling barriers, not 
supported by the underlying device
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: XFS mounting filesystem dm-2
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: dm-2
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Filesystem "dm-6": Disabling barriers, not 
supported by the underlying device
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: XFS mounting filesystem dm-6
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: dm-6
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Filesystem "dm-7": Disabling barriers, not 
supported by the underlying device
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: XFS mounting filesystem dm-7
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: dm-7
Mar 19 16:19:41 gandalf kernel: Adding 6152184k swap 
on /dev/mapper/gandalf-swap_1.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:6152184k


After resetting my usb hd I get:

Mar 19 17:21:01 gandalf kernel: usb 6-1: USB disconnect, address 2
Mar 19 17:21:11 gandalf kernel: usb 6-1: new high speed USB device using 
ehci_hcd and address 8
Mar 19 17:21:11 gandalf kernel: usb 6-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Mar 19 17:21:11 gandalf kernel: scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage 
devices
Mar 19 17:21:11 gandalf kernel: usb-storage: device found at 8
Mar 19 17:21:11 gandalf kernel: usb-storage: waiting for device to settle 
before scanning
Mar 19 17:21:16 gandalf kernel:   Vendor: WDC WD30  Model: 00JB-00KFA0   
Rev: 08.0
Mar 19 17:21:16 gandalf kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  
ANSI SCSI revision: 00
Mar 19 17:21:16 gandalf kernel: SCSI device sdf: 586072367 512-byte hdwr 
sectors (300069 MB)
Mar 19 17:21:16 gandalf kernel: sdf: Write Protect is off
Mar 19 17:21:16 gandalf kernel: sdf: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
Mar 19 17:21:16 gandalf kernel: sdf: assuming drive cache: write through
Mar 19 17:21:16 gandalf kernel: SCSI device sdf: 586072367 512-byte hdwr 
sectors (300069 MB)
Mar 19 17:21:16 gandalf kernel: sdf: Write Protect is off
Mar 19 17:21:16 gandalf

Re: dependencies woes with Debian MediaWiki package

[Daniel Burrows]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 07:38:36PM +0100, Simon Jolle sjolle <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> I have here VDS with minimal Debian installation. Why Debian wish to
> install me Firefox, Gnome/GTK+ components, X11 components, Latex, Sound
> server, portmap, quite enough libraries etc.

  I apologize for taking so long to get back to you.

  I asked whether you were running etch because the unstable/testing
version of mediawiki doesn't have dependencies that would pull in the
stuff you're talking about.  I've taken a brief look at the stable
version, and I think I see what's happening.  You can probably install
links or add --without-recommends to the command-line to get a saner
install.

  * Mozilla: iceape-browser gets installed because tetex-doc recommends
 it.  tetex-doc is recommended by tetex-base, which is
 pulled in by tetex-bin.

 This is the cause of most of your problems; if you install
 a text-mode browser like links, it will fulfill this
 dependency and iceape won't get installed.

  * Gnome/GTK+: pulled in by Mozilla, as far as I can tell.

  * X11: some of these are really necessary.  mediawiki-math needs latex
and Ghostscript components, and these depend on X11 libraries
because they manipulate X11 fonts and/or can connect to an X server.

  * Latex: for mediawiki-math.

  * Sound server: I think this is pulled in by Gnome/GTK+.

  * portmap: Pulled in by fam (part of Gnome)

  Daniel


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clisp and clx isuue

[Gerard Robin]

Hello,
I installed the packages:  
cl-flexichain  cl-mcclim   cl-spatial-trees   cl-swank  
cmucl-source   cl-clx-sbcl  cl-mcclim-examples  cl-asdf


and I use clisp.

the /usr/share/doc/cl-mcclim/readme.debian tells:

To compile the McCLIM CLX backend, use

(asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :clim)
  (asdf:operate 'asdf:compile-op :clim-clx)

Then you can load it with

  (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :clim-clx)

first  (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :clim) works fine 


but  (asdf:operate 'asdf:compile-op :clim-clx) gives:

*** - nonexistent directory: 
#P"/var/cache/common-lisp-controller/1000/clisp/slime/"
The following restarts are available:
ABORT  :R1  Abort debug loop
ABORT  :R2  Abort main loop
Break 2 [3]> 


indeed the directory /var/cache/common-lisp-controller/1000/clisp/slime/ 
doesn't exist.

Must I installed an extra package to get the directory .../slime ? 


Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: Adobe acroread upgrade breaks links, and a FIX

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Patrick Wiseman:
>
> >
>  > rm /etc/alternatives/acroread
>  > ln -s /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/bin/acroread-en /etc/alternatives/acroread
>
>  The proper way to handle the symlinks in /etc/alternatives is to use
>  update-alternatives.

Thanks - next time I'll know to do that - but shouldn't that be part
of a packages postinst responsibility, if it's changed something?

Patrick


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Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed

[alan]

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Hi, Andrei, I guess you know something I don't know(not that
>>that's a surprise)  Why would I take my netinstall file
>>(167 Mb) and put it on a CD unless the CD was _bootable_?
>>The CD would have to be made bootable, and would have I guess
>>to have an initrd-img on it as well.
>
> No, you don't. The netinst image is self-containing, so just burn it
> on a CD, the computer will boot from it, there are no more actions
> neccessary.
   I don't need to now, but just for scientific experiment I'll
   do this, and see what happens.

Thanks for your E-mail.

Alan



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Re: gnome-network-manager broken? FIXED?

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Patrick Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just updated my testing system, and NetworkManager seems busted.
>  The applet can find no network connections, but my eth0 connects.

It appears there's a clash between whatever it is that uses and
updates /etc/network/interfaces and NetworkManager; several updates
ago, I noticed that, on bootup, the machine attempted to connect with
eth0, even though there was nothing connected to it, and then with
wlan0, which, at home, worked, because it connected to my secure home
network.  In the office, the same thing happened, except wlan0
couldn't connect (duh!).  I edited /etc/network/interfaces, and was
surprised to find in there my home network wireless key, in plaintext!
 I commented out the 'auto eth0' and 'auto wlan0', on the assumption
that that's what was causing the attempt to connect at bootup, and
removed the essid and key of my home network.  I rebooted, left my
office, and, on return a few minutes later, found I was connected to
the wireless network!   Until then, NetworkManager was not even
finding any wireless networks.

(All this is AFTER I've upgraded NetworkManager to the one with the bugfix.[1])

Hope that helps someone.

Patrick
[1]From http://beast.luon.net/~sjoerd/NM/ - people have apparently had
success just installing the network-manager deb.


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Re: Adding a ttyS

[Nelson Castillo]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Jean Létourneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  Goo day,
>
>  How do I add a /dev/rrtS?  I have 6 physical com port on my machine, but
> Debian only see 4 of them. I use the command MAKEDEV but they do not appear
> in the /dev, only in the /dev/.static/dev, I tryed to copy them from
> /dev.static/dev to the /dev, but still, my setserial keep saying my ttySx do
> not exist.

Hi.

Let's try this:

gaira:/dev# ls -lha ttyS*
crw-rw 1 root dialout 4, 64 2008-03-24 04:15 ttyS0
crw-rw 1 root dialout 4, 65 2008-03-24 04:15 ttyS1
crw-rw 1 root dialout 4, 66 2008-03-24 04:15 ttyS2
crw-rw 1 root dialout 4, 67 2008-03-24 04:15 ttyS3
gaira:/dev# mknod  /dev/ttyS4 c 4 68

Try to open /dev/ttyS4 to check if the device is there. If not,
perhaps you have a driver issue. You might want to check that
the devices show up in the boot messages.

# dmesg | grep serial
serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A

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Re: Digital Camera

[Adam Hardy]

nikon D60 on 23/03/08 20:37, wrote:
http://www.nikond60.com Nikon D60 


Robert Thompson wrote:

Hello All,
   I also have a digital camera that I love. It is a Sony that uses a USB
to
connect to the computer. Question is: How does digital cameras work with
Debian?


Try:

sudo gphoto2 --auto-detect -P



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Re: disassembling machine code

[Daniel Burrows]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:12:58PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 01:39:09PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to 
> > say:
> > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:26:19PM -0700, PETER EASTHOPE wrote:
> 
> [removed]
> 
> >   I did not write this email.  I don't have any problem with it, but I
> > didn't write it.
> > 
> >   Whoever did: please refrain from forging other people's email
> > addresses in your From header.
> 
> Mutt may be a lesser piece of crap than most mailers, but it is still a
> piece of crap.  It screws up when "From:" is missing, and acts as if you
> had send it.

  I think it may be worse than that: I set my MTA up to add a default
>From field to outgoing email, but it ended up applying to incoming mail
as well.

  In which case it's not Mirko's fault at all.  Mirko, I'm sorry I
jumped on you like that.  Probably I should have realized something
screwy was going on and checked other possibilities first.

  Daniel


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Re: Tunnel iceweasel?

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:46:56AM +0100, Joost Witteveen wrote:
> On 23/03/2008, Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm trying to tunnel an iceweasel instance via ssh from one
> > of my boxes at my house to remember the name of an add-on i
> > installed.
> >
> > The problem is that i create a ssh session (ssh -XC
> > ssh.psychotik.info), login and run iceweasel at the bash
> > prompt, which takes forever, but then finally *opens a local
> > iceweasel!!!*
> 
> I suppose that iceweasel -P uniqueprofilename would do what you want?
> 
> Also, it's *much* faster use vnc (tunnel through ssh): on the remote
> host, start: vnc4server on your localhost, start (and login to) ssh -L
> 5900:server:5901 server
> 
> and then on the localhost (different window) vncviewer localhost:5900
> 
> The 5901 portnumer is assuming the vncserver opens a X11 screen on :1.
> When I start epiphany diretly over X11, it takes about 30 min to show
> a page; when I do it using VNC as above, it takes seconds.
 
I run iceweasel over ssh all the time, however, I don't have it
installed locally so there's no local version to run.  It may take a few
seconds to give the initial window, but then it displays as fast as the
box can swap.  The network is 100 MB/s ethernet, the box I'm sitting at
is a P-II with 64 MB ram, the box I'm sshing into to run iceweasel is an
AMD Athlon64 with 1 GB ram.  It doesn't even take 30 minutes to show a
page when I ssh from my 486 with 32 MB ram so something is wrong there.

Why would VNC be faster if both are encrypted?

Doug.


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Re: exim/postfix comparisons

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:13:19PM +0100, Martin Marcher wrote:
> I've been a happy user of postfix for a long time but I generally
> consider it a knowledge lag not to know at least one competing product
> (which I don't).
> 
> So it's time to change that and since I use debian I figured it can't
> be too bad to learn exim, a bit of googling around just brought up
> comparisons that seem to be very subjective, is anyone aware of some
> good links that compare feature wise? I think it would be best if it
> was something like a list of "you can't do that with X, do it with Y
> this way". I'm pretty sure this won't be too long and quite a good
> jump start to get into exim.
> 
> Thanks for any pointers.
> martin
> 
> PS: if there's a compelling reason to go in the sendmail direction (or
> any other mta) i'm willing to do that, but I refuse qmail because of
> licensing issues

I've only used Exim because it's debian's default.  Exim v.3 was quite
simple to set up.  Exim v.4 became far more complicated, so much so that
debian made a debconf front-end to configuring it.  I still had to make
some tweaks but it works.

I've heard comments from respected frequent posters on this list both
that they use postfix and that debian's decision to have Exim as default
was controversial.

I also lurk on OpenBSD's misc list.  OBSD uses sendmail by default
because they have made it secure, it has a BSD license, and it is small
so fits nicely in their base install.  They didn't use Postfix because
of licencing issues but I think the license has changed.  Many people
who lurk there use postfix on their BSD boxes.  They don't use Exim also
because of licensing and there have been some disparaging comments on
the complexity.

Just from a documentation perspective, Exim has its doc in one long
spec.txt file whereas Postfix has a nice html book.

As for a compelling reason to learn sendmail, the only one I can think
of is if you ever want to run a base BSD (I think they all include
sendmail in base).  Since sendmail was written as the standards for
email were being standardized, it can do anything and not just what is
current practice.  This flexibility makes it very complex; whole (large)
books are written on it.  In the past, this complexity has left it open
to security issues which I think have now all been fixed (until the next
time one is found, but then OpenBSD would have to change their
front-page brag).  Postfix was written by a security guru (I think the
person who gave us tcp-wrappers) and is flexible enough to do everything
neccessary on a modern network.  

If it were me and I only knew postfix, I'd find something else to do
than learn another MTA.

Doug.


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Re: Configuring dhcp3 to send hostname mappings to clients

[Joost Witteveen]

On 23/03/2008, Reid Priedhorsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>  My /etc/hosts contains a handful of mappings useful on my internal subnet:
>
>  10.0.0.2  reidster.net reidster
>  10.0.0.4  convex.reidster.net  convex
>  10.0.0.4  toys.reidster.nettoys.reidster
>  10.0.0.4  yabman.reidster.net  yabman
>
>  The same box is also a DHCP server, using dhcp3 for a couple of laptops
>  which are transient on the network. I would like to pass the mappings
>  above on to the laptops using dhcp3. Is this possible?

I don't think it is.

What I would do is install a DNS server (eg bind9), and in
/etc/dhcpd.conf put a line like:
  option domain-name-servers 10.0.0.4;
and then configure the bind to serve the mappings you want.
(you'll need seperate files for reverse mappings)


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Upgrading Sarge to Etch Pining apache 1.3 and php4

[Siju George]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Thilo Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2008/msg1.html
>


Thanks Thilo.

I have a Few Server running Apache 1.3 and PHP 4
Is it enough that I put in /etc/apt/preferences

Package: apache
Pin: version 1.3.*

Package: php4
Pin: version 4.*

and edit sarge from mt /etc/apt/source.list to put etch instead there after do

apt-get update
and
apt-get dist-upgrade


Anything else I need to keep in mind during the upgrade?
they are remote online servers.

Thankyou so much

kind Regards

Siju


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Re: sort files by name and maintain sort order when copying to mp3 player

[Russell L. Harris]

* Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080324 04:49]:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 04:06:15AM -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > After two hours of searching with Google and Yahoo, I have not found a
> > good approach to the problem of maintaining proper file order when
> > copying mp3 files from an ext3 directory to a flash-based mp3 player.
...
> > In the Debian archives is a utility named "fatsort" which addresses
> > this problem, but it necessitates mounting a FAT partition.  

Apparently I did not/do not understand the way fatsort works, and was
trying to do things the hard way.

I installed a second small drive, partitioned it, and put on it a vfat
filesystem, but fatsort aborts with an error each time I try to run
it.

Finally, I plugged in my mp3 player, and after demounting it (because
it was automounted by Debian), fatsort appears to work perfectly.  

RLH


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Re: Adobe acroread upgrade breaks links, and a FIX

[Jochen Schulz]

Patrick Wiseman:
> 
> rm /etc/alternatives/acroread
> ln -s /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/bin/acroread-en /etc/alternatives/acroread

The proper way to handle the symlinks in /etc/alternatives is to use
update-alternatives.

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Adding a ttyS

[Jean Létourneau]

Goo day,

How do I add a /dev/rrtS?  I have 6 physical com port on my machine, but
Debian only see 4 of them. I use the command MAKEDEV but they do not
appear in the /dev, only in the /dev/.static/dev, I tryed to copy them
from /dev.static/dev to the /dev, but still, my setserial keep saying my
ttySx do not exist.

Thank you.

Jean

Re: Adobe acroread upgrade breaks links, and a FIX

[Sjoerd Hiemstra]

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:45:08 -0400 Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> Hello, all:
> 
> After my usual daily update of my testing system this morning, which
> updated only acroread and related stuff, acroread and the browser
> plugin were broken.  It turns out /etc/alternatives/acroread was
> pointing to the wrong place after the upgrade.  These two commands
> will fix it:
> 
> rm /etc/alternatives/acroread
> ln -s /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/bin/acroread-en /etc/alternatives/acroread
> 
> You'll also need to run acroread outside the browser once to accept
> the license before it will work inside the browser (assuming you have
> nppdf.so properly installed).

It appears to be fixed.
I just updated my testing system, which included acroread, and there were
no such issues.
The link you mention was correct before and after the update.


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Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed

[Nyizsnyik Ferenc]

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 03:37:18PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> 
> >> > image, boot from it, make a minimal install and then continue
> >> > with the DVDs (instead of installing sarge and upgrading to
> >> > etch)?
> >> Hi, Andrei, thanks for your suggestion.  Unfortunately my
> >> (quite old) computer can boot _only_ from hard drive or CD, not
> >> from any other apparatus.  I have done a _lot_ of checking on the
> >> BIOS, trust me!
> >
> > I don't doubt that, that's why I suggested the netinstall image,
> > because it can go on a CD and is small enough not to take too long.
>Hi, Andrei, I guess you know something I don't know(not that
>that's a surprise)  Why would I take my netinstall file
>(167 Mb) and put it on a CD unless the CD was _bootable_?
>The CD would have to be made bootable, and would have I guess
>to have an initrd-img on it as well.

No, you don't. The netinst image is self-containing, so just burn it
on a CD, the computer will boot from it, there are no more actions
neccessary.

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Re: windows partition not usable

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 23:15:51 +0100, Hans-Gerhard Schrick wrote:
> Dear Sir or Madam,
> 
> I have debian etch installed on my laptop.
> 
> I have also a windows xp service pack 2 partition. But I made an
> installation mistake, so that at the moment I cannot use this windows
> partition from debian. 

Do you mean that you missed the opportunity to let the installer set up
the windows partition in /etc/fstab for you? That can easily be fixed
(see below). If I misunderstand you and you have in fact more severe
problems (e.g. you cannot boot windows anymore) then we need more
details about these problems.

>I have tried to change the /etc/fstab, but it
> didn't work.

Post your fstab so that we can have a look.

> What can I do to use the windows partion from debian, as I have all my
> music on the windows partition, which makes sense, as I can normally
> hear my music from linux and windows.

OK, so the problem is really only how to mount the windows partition.

> I don't want to install again.

You don't have to. You just have to tell us how your windows partition
is called under Linux. This will probably be something like /dev/hda1 or
/dev/sda1. If you don't know this, reply to this mail and ask for
directions how to find it out.
 
> If you can send me an answer, I would be very pleased.

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exim/postfix comparisons

[Martin Marcher]

Hello,

I've been a happy user of postfix for a long time but I generally
consider it a knowledge lag not to know at least one competing product
(which I don't).

So it's time to change that and since I use debian I figured it can't
be too bad to learn exim, a bit of googling around just brought up
comparisons that seem to be very subjective, is anyone aware of some
good links that compare feature wise? I think it would be best if it
was something like a list of "you can't do that with X, do it with Y
this way". I'm pretty sure this won't be too long and quite a good
jump start to get into exim.

Thanks for any pointers.
martin

PS: if there's a compelling reason to go in the sendmail direction (or
any other mta) i'm willing to do that, but I refuse qmail because of
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Re: sort files by name and maintain sort order when copying to mp3 player

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Russell L. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After two hours of searching with Google and Yahoo, I have not found a
>  good approach to the problem of maintaining proper file order when
>  copying mp3 files from an ext3 directory to a flash-based mp3 player.
>
>  Contrary to the instruction manual, the player (a Creative MUVO) plays
>  files in the order in which they are written to flash memory, so if I
>  have an audio book with a hundred chapters on an ext3 drive and then
>  copy the book to the mp3 player, the chapters do not necessarily play
>  in proper sequence.

I had a similar problem with a lousy mp3 player. What I did was copy
the files directory by directory.

This does not work:
cp -r ~/mp3/a_directory /mnt/usb

This works and mantains the order:
mkdir /mnt/usb/a_directory
cp ~/mp3/a_directory/* /mnt/usb/a_directory

It is certainly a pain in the ass if there are several directories,
but at least it works. The * gets expanded to a file list in
alphabetical order.


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Re: network-manager stopped dynamically recognizing my network

[Micha]

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:30:58 +1300
Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 10:06:12AM +0100, markus wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I safe-upgraded yesterday (22.03.2008) an have exactly the same problem:
> > Neither eth0 nor wlan0 are working anymore.  Unfortunately, I have no
> > idea why.
> 
> Are you running stable or testing/unstable?
> 
> The statement: "Unfortunately, I have no idea why." indicates you should
> not be running testing.
> 

Did some more googling, turns out that there are some major problems with
network-manager at the moment (seems to be caused by some incompatibility with
libglib2.0 2.16.1-2)


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Re: Tunnel iceweasel?

[Joost Witteveen]

On 23/03/2008, Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>  Hash: SHA1
>
>  Hi list,
> I'm trying to tunnel an iceweasel instance via ssh from one of my 
> boxes
>  at my house to remember the name of an add-on i installed.
>
> The problem is that i create a ssh session (ssh -XC
>  ssh.psychotik.info), login and run iceweasel at the bash prompt, which
>  takes forever, but then finally *opens a local iceweasel!!!*

I suppose that
 iceweasel -P uniqueprofilename
would do what you want?

Also, it's *much* faster use vnc (tunnel through ssh):
on the remote host, start: vnc4server
on your localhost, start (and login to)
 ssh -L 5900:server:5901 server

and then on the localhost (different window)
 vncviewer localhost:5900

The 5901 portnumer is assuming the vncserver opens a X11 screen on :1.
When I start epiphany diretly over X11, it takes about 30 min to show
a page; when I do it using VNC as above, it takes seconds.


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Thank you for keeping stable just the way it is!

[Rico Secada]

This goes out to all Debian developers/advocates.

Despite my other post with a question about using testing in production,
I fully understand the way stable is, and I greatly appreciate it!

Being able to run a stable environment without having to worry about
updated packages that suddenly change setup, but at the same time
still receive security updates are just one of those things that make
Debian completely superior. 

People who complain about Debian release policy just doesn't understand
what Debian stable is about. 

Having run a lot of servers in a BSD/Linux environment I can fully
appreciate the stable branch of Debian.

The stable releases fills a niche that no other FOSS distribution fills
as far as I know. 

In all other distributions and *BSD's I have worked with, running a
security update for a third party package means that you are almost
always forced to pull the server out of production, and you have to
figure out, if the security update also brings some other updates that
change the setup/options.

Being able to keep a system updated with security without having to
worry about changes in the setup makes it possible for sysadmins to
actually do other stuff than maintaining servers.

I wonder how many sysadmins who doesn't know this about Debian.

Anyway, thank you very very much!!

Best regards.

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Re: SAMBA W2K3 ADS

[Gilles Mocellin]

Le Saturday 22 March 2008 15:17:07 [EMAIL PROTECTED], vous avez écrit :
> Hi @ll,
>
> i try to setup a samba server with authentication against a win2k3
> server with ads. I use Debian Etch with the last release and updates.
>
> I use this howto
> http://plone.held-im-ruhestand.de/software/samba-and-active-directory to
> configure all the necessary stuff.
>
> I can join successfully the domain and the samba server appears in the
> ads in the computer section.
>
> I also read some other howtos where the output of wbinfo -u or wbinfo -
> g show the short domain name with seperator and then the username or
> group. But in my case it do not so.
> If i use wbinfo -u or wbinfo -g i just see the username or groupname
> without the domain. What's the matter with this? Can anyone tell why
> the domain is not shown in output?

Hello,
Try this in your smb.conf :
winbind use default domain = no


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Re: When will Security updates to Sarge stop?

[Thilo Six]

Siju George wrote the following on 24.03.2008 11:00

> Hi
> 
> When will Security updates to Sarge stop?
> I have some servers running it well?
> I wnat to upgrade to Etch but want to plan it accordingly.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Siju

http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2008/msg1.html

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Re: Comments on testing in production

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:36:05AM +0100, Rico Secada wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I am setting up a couple of Debian Etch boxes for production and I am
> using DRBD 7 in a cluster setup.
> 
> Now DRBD 8 some more advanced features which will improve the system,
> so I am stuck with a choice of how to deploy DRBD 8 on the system.
> 
> I don't like to use backports of any kind because they don't receive
> security updates.
> 
> Any feedback and experiences in running testing in production would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> Rico.
Backports.org is run by Debian developes and I believe that most of the
pacakges are done by Debian developers. (contact them for full details).
I also recall that they MAY get security update.
http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php

Debian now has testing security update.
http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/
Hope that explains,

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When will Security updates to Sarge stop?

[Siju George]

Hi

When will Security updates to Sarge stop?
I have some servers running it well?
I wnat to upgrade to Etch but want to plan it accordingly.

Thanks

-Siju


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Re: Window backgrounds

[Thilo Six]

Ron Johnson wrote the following on 24.03.2008 07:50



> I'd just copy the Sea Cork image from the Windows partition over to
> your home directory and then to set the desktop image:
> System->Preferences->"Control Center"->Appearance

heh funny
I think OP isn't refering to a 'Sea Cork' but to 'see a cork'. ;)

And i think OP want to change the nautilus background tile not the
desktop-background.

Since i haven't git nautilus installed right now, the following is from top
of my head:
open the 'home' window
click the second menu item and far down at the bottem there is 'change
appearens' or similar.
add the new custom background tile and drag 'n drop onto the 'home-window'
background.
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Re: sort files by name and maintain sort order when copying to mp3 player

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 04:06:15AM -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> After two hours of searching with Google and Yahoo, I have not found a
> good approach to the problem of maintaining proper file order when
> copying mp3 files from an ext3 directory to a flash-based mp3 player.
> 
> Contrary to the instruction manual, the player (a Creative MUVO) plays
> files in the order in which they are written to flash memory, so if I
> have an audio book with a hundred chapters on an ext3 drive and then
> copy the book to the mp3 player, the chapters do not necessarily play
> in proper sequence.  
> 
> The player is inexpensive, and does not support playlists.
> 
> In searching, I discovered that others also have this problem, but
> there appears to be no standard Linux utility to solve the problem.
> 
> But perhaps someone has written such a utility written in Perl?
> 
> In the Debian archives is a utility named "fatsort" which addresses
> this problem, but it necessitates mounting a FAT partition.  
> 
> RLH
Here is an idea:
create a temp. dir: mkdir music_copy

copy the files you want to listen to into the temp. dir:
cp my_music_file1 my_music_file2 ... music_copy

alter the time stamp of these files to suite FAT:
(I think 'touch' would do but not sure what FAT uses)

then copy the file to your music player

The key is to find what value FAT uses: mtime? ctime?
Hope this helps.

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Comments on testing in production

[Rico Secada]

Hi.

I am setting up a couple of Debian Etch boxes for production and I am
using DRBD 7 in a cluster setup.

Now DRBD 8 some more advanced features which will improve the system,
so I am stuck with a choice of how to deploy DRBD 8 on the system.

I don't like to use backports of any kind because they don't receive
security updates.

Any feedback and experiences in running testing in production would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards.

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sort files by name and maintain sort order when copying to mp3 player

[Russell L. Harris]

After two hours of searching with Google and Yahoo, I have not found a
good approach to the problem of maintaining proper file order when
copying mp3 files from an ext3 directory to a flash-based mp3 player.

Contrary to the instruction manual, the player (a Creative MUVO) plays
files in the order in which they are written to flash memory, so if I
have an audio book with a hundred chapters on an ext3 drive and then
copy the book to the mp3 player, the chapters do not necessarily play
in proper sequence.  

The player is inexpensive, and does not support playlists.

In searching, I discovered that others also have this problem, but
there appears to be no standard Linux utility to solve the problem.

But perhaps someone has written such a utility written in Perl?

In the Debian archives is a utility named "fatsort" which addresses
this problem, but it necessitates mounting a FAT partition.  

RLH


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