date:20090725

A last resort possibility to fix this problem would be to get and use a 
dban cd from dban.sf.net on the hard drive.  That will return everything 
on the hard drive to the way it was before any data was put on it though. 
It's known as stacking the deck and getting to a known state but all that 
is on the hard drive will be lost once that's done.




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help, ive broken my linux but it still boots up!

2009-07-25 Thread jeremy jozwik

so ive been running debian lenny for about a week. everythings been
hunky-dorry until this evening when i turned on my laptop and was
greeted with several seconds of this during the boot up process.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/godblessbotox/3753646865/

along with that gobbely gook it beeps for about 3 seconds.

am i boned or is there any hope of a recovery to this?


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favorite dban parameters

At the boot: prompt I usually key in autostart 5 then hit enter.  A 200GB 
disk takes about 8 hours to clean so figure your timing accordingly if you 
decide to use this.




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Re: KDE3 konsole on KDE4 [solved]

2009-07-25 Thread kj


Nate Bargmann wrote:

You will need to reconfigure the fontconfig-config package and be sure
to enable bitmapped fonts.  If you've upgraded your box over time as
Sid, there may be some crufty files in /etc/fonts/conf.d (they should
all be symlinks now except for README) that are turning bitmapped fonts
back off even though you've enabled them.  I found this on a few of my
boxes.  A clean Etch or later install should not have this problem.


Hi Nate,

I have done the dpkg-reconfigure on fontconfig-config and fcontconfig 
(learned this a while back when apt removed my font).  I also discovered 
that I had to have font aliasing enabled.  It was set to system 
settings which I assume was off.  I set that to enabled, and tried 
again - no go.  After some more fiddling about, I discovered there was 
another konsole process running, preventing it from actually restarting 
cleanly.  Killed that off, started konsole again, and the font is there 
- much better!


Thanks!

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Re: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


On 2009-07-24 18:26, lee wrote:

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:58:45PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, lee wrote:


On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:14:00AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:


Why do you assume he has a choice? Many organisations insert this for
all outgoing mail.

I don't care if he or she has a choice. That's her or his problem, not
mine.
And just what would you suggest he do about it? Not post? Change jobs?  
Commit suicide?


I'm not suggesting anything but to not post the disclaimer into this
list.


What part of not under human control don't you understand??

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Re: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


On 2009-07-24 17:01, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

Robert Holtzman wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, lee wrote:
  

I don't care if he or she has a choice. That's her or his problem, not
mine.

And just what would you suggest he do about it? Not post? Change jobs? 
Commit suicide?
  


I'd suggest one of the dozen free e-mail services around.


You've never worked in a security-conscious bureaucracy, have you?

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panasonic printer problem

Was there a firmware update released for the KXP-1123 during its history? 
It could be the ppd file that's available for that printer needs that 
firmware update installed if such exists.




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Re: help, ive broken my linux but it still boots up!


On 2009-07-25 01:09, jeremy jozwik wrote:

so ive been running debian lenny for about a week. everythings been
hunky-dorry until this evening when i turned on my laptop and was
greeted with several seconds of this during the boot up process.


Maybe you removed some fonts?  (Your gmail account hides your nation 
of origin, and thus important clues.)



http://www.flickr.com/photos/godblessbotox/3753646865/

along with that gobbely gook it beeps for about 3 seconds.

am i boned or is there any hope of a recovery to this?


Does it occur every time you boot?

Does your system otherwise run normally?

Is there much personal data on that machine that you couldn't back 
up to a CD/DVD-R or thumb drive?


Now that you installed once, think you could do it again, faster and 
better?


Is /home on a separate partition?  (If not, reinstall!!)

(Note that reinstalling 2-3 times when young is rather typical.)

This (dpkg --get-selections  /mnt/some_thumb/drive) will save your 
package list, which you can use to help get your system back to how 
it was.


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ikiwiki + Apache 1.3 =?= NFG/SNAFU

2009-07-25 Thread Eric d'Alibut

I notice the ikiwiki docs provide httpd server config hints only for
Apache 2 and lighttpd. Should I take this as an implicit hint that my
attempt to run ikiwiki (that *is* hard to type!) on the older Apache
vintage are foolhardy, extremely ill-advised, a recipe for disaster,
paving the road to perdition?

ii  ikiwiki 3.14159a wiki compiler
ii  apache  1.3.34-4.1+etch1  versatile,
high-performance HTTP server


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Secure wipe considered voodoo (was Re: favorite dban parameters)


On 2009-07-25 00:54, Jude DaShiell wrote:
At the boot: prompt I usually key in autostart 5 then hit enter.  A 
200GB disk takes about 8 hours to clean so figure your timing 
accordingly if you decide to use this.


http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html

Read the 2nd paragraph of the Epilogue, and then scale that up from 
80GB to 200, 250, 320, etc, etc.


Were I to get rid of a HDD, I'd put it in an external enclosure, 
fdisk it to make 1 huge partition, mkfs it vfat or ext2, then run 
this script:


http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson/sfill.py

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Re: panasonic printer problem


On 2009-07-25 01:35, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Was there a firmware update released for the KXP-1123 during its 
history? It could be the ppd file that's available for that printer 
needs that firmware update installed if such exists.


Do those old printers even have the capability to flash their 
EEPROMS?  Do they even *have* EEPROMS?


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Re: Sid: Grub2 faling to boot: Unknown device UUID

2009-07-25 Thread Micha Feigin

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:05:49 -0700
Paul Scott psl...@ultrasw.com wrote:

 Matthew Moore wrote:
  On Friday July 24 2009 9:49:38 am Micha Feigin wrote:

  try looking
  for a uuid option under /etc/default/grub2 or /etc/grub2 or something
  similar (not sure where the settings are, try looking at the comment at the
  start of /boot/grub/grub.cfg or find my earlier mail in this thread)
  
 
  The option is at the end of the configuration file in /etc/default/grub. 
  Once 
  you change the file, you need to run update-grub to get the changes 
  propagated. 
  If you are booting from a livecd, the easiest way to get this to work is to 
  chroot into your root filesystem and then make the changes and run 
  update-grub.

 
 Thanks!  Glad to have a solution.   This is exactly my situation.
 
 Can you also tell me how to go the other way; to get booting to work 
 with uuid's?  Is it as simple as changing the device name in /etc/fstab 
 to a uuid or is that where the connection is made?
 

No, don't know how to make it work (are you using a custom kernel by any
chance? I think that it needs kernel support).

I do know to answer the fstab part of the question though, fstab has nothing to
do with that part of the booting process. It is used by the init scripts and
mount. It's the kernel that needs to recognize the uuid values in order to boot.

 TIA,
 
 Paul Scott
 
 
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Re: help, ive broken my linux but it still boots up!

2009-07-25 Thread Dotan Cohen

2009/7/25 jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com:
 so ive been running debian lenny for about a week. everythings been
 hunky-dorry until this evening when i turned on my laptop and was
 greeted with several seconds of this during the boot up process.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/godblessbotox/3753646865/

 along with that gobbely gook it beeps for about 3 seconds.

 am i boned or is there any hope of a recovery to this?



Google motherboard beep codes. A three second beep is usually either
the video or RAM. Take it apart, reseat it (Hold ground while you do)
and try again. You might want to check a few hours of memtest as well.

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Re: Sid: Grub2 faling to boot: Unknown device UUID

2009-07-25 Thread Andrei Popescu

On Fri,24.Jul.09, 19:12:47, Curt Howland wrote:
 
 The result of all this is that the UUID in the search line is what 
 is now giving the error.
 
 So now to get the UUID out of the search line.
 
 Any suggestions?

Check with blkid, the UUID is probably wrong or something.

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Re: help, ive broken my linux but it still boots up!


On 2009-07-25 03:03, Dotan Cohen wrote:

2009/7/25 jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com:

so ive been running debian lenny for about a week. everythings been
hunky-dorry until this evening when i turned on my laptop and was
greeted with several seconds of this during the boot up process.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/godblessbotox/3753646865/

along with that gobbely gook it beeps for about 3 seconds.

am i boned or is there any hope of a recovery to this?




Google motherboard beep codes. A three second beep is usually either
the video or RAM. Take it apart, reseat it (Hold ground while you do)
and try again. You might want to check a few hours of memtest as well.


But aren't those POST codes?  According to his photo, these beeps 
are during Linux's boot process, which leads me to think that it's 
doing what consoles always do when they receive random binary data.


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Re: MTA experts: address rewriting depending on next hop

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:16 -0600, lee wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 01:26:37PM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
[snip]
  Moreover you're quoting my hint to the link there.  Look into
  debian-devel archives, I won't repeat myself.
 
 Yeah, sure, I'm going to browse through the archives of d-d after
 guessing you might mean debian-devel and filter out all URLs that
 might have been posted on that list. That I spent a week or so to
 check out all the URLs to make a guess what you're referring
 to. Sorry, but you're an idiot.

Oh dear Hans Wilmer (at least that's what you used as realname in
previous postings), you're getting personalgrin.

Just to show you what you could have done in 10 seconds if you knew
how to search debian's ML archives at
  http://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/search
search for MTA experts: yielding at position 2:
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/07/msg00576.html

grinning-idiotically-yours
  Siggy

ps: l...@... is posting to d-u since January 2003. IMHO that's
more than enough time to learn how to use the archives.
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Re: ikiwiki + Apache 1.3 =?= NFG/SNAFU

2009-07-25 Thread Jochen Schulz

Eric d'Alibut:

 I notice the ikiwiki docs provide httpd server config hints only for
 Apache 2 and lighttpd. Should I take this as an implicit hint that my
 attempt to run ikiwiki (that *is* hard to type!) on the older Apache
 vintage are foolhardy, extremely ill-advised, a recipe for disaster,
 paving the road to perdition?

I don't think so. It's just that Apache2 is more or less the default
webserver and lighty is a common alternative. Apache1 is just very old.
AFAICS, it's not even in lenny anymore.

Do you have any concrete problems or are you asking in advance? I don't
know ikiwiki very well, but I suspect some people here do.

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Re: Fw: Mounting Iphone with Ifuse as User

2009-07-25 Thread Florian Kulzer

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 22:16:17 -0700, Alejandro Salas wrote:
 - Forwarded Message 
 From: Alejandro Salas
 To: Florian Kulzer
 Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 3:34:51 PM
 Subject: Re: Mounting Iphone with Ifuse as User

Note: I never saw this message due to the aggressive spam filtering that
I have to apply to incoming mail for my +debian address.

 From: Florian Kulzer, Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:34:43 PM
 On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 14:27:38 -0700, Alejandro Salas wrote:
   On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:32:10 -0700, Alejandro Salas wrote:
 The fuse group should have been created by the post-installation 
 script
 of the fuse-utils package. 

 I created it and added my user 
 to the group.
 I still get the same error message. :-(. Any ideas?

[...]

  I don't see anything wrong here; it looks like both udev and HAL have
  done exactly what they were supposed to be doing.

  What output do you get from:

  ls -l /dev/fuse

  ls -l /dev/bus/usb/*

 Here they are:

 ls -l /dev/fuse 
 crw-rw 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-07-08 10:41 /dev/fuse

 ls -l /dev/bus/usb/*
 /dev/bus/usb/001:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 0 2009-07-08 06:06 001

 /dev/bus/usb/002:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 128 2009-07-08 06:06 001

 /dev/bus/usb/003:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 256 2009-07-08 06:06 001
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 257 2009-07-08 06:06 002

 /dev/bus/usb/004:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 384 2009-07-08 06:06 001

 /dev/bus/usb/005:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 512 2009-07-08 06:06 001
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 513 2009-07-08 06:06 002

 /dev/bus/usb/006:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 640 2009-07-08 06:06 001

 /dev/bus/usb/007:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 768 2009-07-08 06:06 001
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 770 2009-07-08 15:59 003

 The last entry ('003') appeared only after plugging the iphone to a
 usb port. Everything else remained the same.

That looks OK to me, too. I am afraid you will need someone who actually
uses an iPhone under Linux to help you further. (I do not have an iPhone
myself; I had hoped that I would be able to spot something suspicious in
the general device-plugging behavior but that does not seem to be the
case.)

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Re: ikiwiki + Apache 1.3 =?= NFG/SNAFU

2009-07-25 Thread Frank Lin PIAT

On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 03:00 -0400, Eric d'Alibut wrote:
 I notice the ikiwiki docs provide httpd server config hints only for
 Apache 2 and lighttpd. Should I take this as an implicit hint that my
 attempt to run ikiwiki (that *is* hard to type!) on the older Apache
 vintage are foolhardy, extremely ill-advised, a recipe for disaster,
 paving the road to perdition?
 
 ii  ikiwiki 3.14159a wiki compiler
 ii  apache  1.3.34-4.1+etch1  versatile,
 high-performance HTTP server

ughhh #...@?

You seems to be running the latest version of ikiwiki (from unstable),
with an apache version from etch #...@?

One sensible reason why ikiwiki 3.14159 doesn't mention apache v1, is
because apache v1 is deprecated upstream, and it is removed in Debian
Testing and Unstable

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aptitude security updates

2009-07-25 Thread roberto

hello
i am trying to update an old machine running sarge to etch and then to lenny;
a couple of questions
1. is it still possible ?

2. following release note for etch, i am updating the old sarge to its
latest stable release, via aptitude update; running this command, i
get the following errors:
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org
sarge/updates/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org
sarge/updates/contrib Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org
sarge/updates/non-free Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_non-free_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org
sarge/updates/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org
sarge/updates/contrib Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org
sarge/updates/non-free Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_non-free_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files

so i need to know if i may go on all the same or it is necessary also
to do a total security update for sarge before trying to upgrade to
etch;
and, if case, how can i do that ?

i post also my sources.list (and if you note errors please tell me ...):
#
# Official Debian mirror
deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/   sarge main non-free contrib
deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/   sarge main non-free contrib
deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/   sarge main contrib non-free

# Security updates
deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
#

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Re: aptitude security updates

2009-07-25 Thread Ansgar Burchardt

Hi,

roberto robert...@gmail.com writes:

 # Official Debian mirror
 deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/   sarge main non-free contrib
 deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/   sarge main non-free contrib
 deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/   sarge main contrib non-free

 # Security updates
 deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free

The updates for sarge seem to be available from archive.debian.org as
well.  You should try replacing the last line with

  deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/ sarge main contrib non-free
  
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Screen not switching on after lid open

2009-07-25 Thread Damodharan R

Hi,
I am using Debian/Sid on my Dell Inspiron E1705. After a recent dist-upgrade
my laptop screen does not switch on after the I open the lid. It remains
blank. I tried adding a custom lid.sh.pre script which does 'vbetool dpms
on' if the lid-state is open. But that also didn't help. Is there any other
way to fix the issue?

I run linux-2.6.30.1 with kernel modesetting on.  xserver pkgs:
xserver-xorg-video-intel-2:2.8.0-1
xserver-xorg-1:7.4+3

Thank you
Damodharan

Re: aptitude security updates

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 13:30 +0200, roberto wrote:
 hello
 i am trying to update an old machine running sarge to etch and then to lenny;
 a couple of questions
 1. is it still possible ?

I did this successfully on a machine w/o GUI some weeks ago using
apt-get instead of aptitude (didn't read the release notesg). Sorry
to say I was to lazy to note where problems arose. The following is
from the top of my head:

Step 1: g/sarge/s//etch/ in sources.list
apt-get update
apt-get -o Apt::ForceLoopbreak=y dist-upgrade

Step 2: upgrade packages that have not been upgraded automatically

Step 3: g/etch/s//lenny/ in sources.list
apt-get update
apt-get -o Apt::ForceLoopbreak=y dist-upgrade

Step 4: upgrade packages that have not been upgraded automatically

Please lookup the correct syntax for Apt::ForceLoopbreak yourself.
It will be necessary to run 'dpkg --configure --pending' and
'apt-get -f install' several times.

At one place dpkg barks at a .deb containing a .bz2. Manually upgrade
dpkg to continue.

[snip]

hoping this helps
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Re: sudo logging

2009-07-25 Thread Mag Gam

interesting indeed

Does anyone have any experience with:
http://freshmeat.net/projects/sudoscript/


On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Berthold Cogelco...@uni-koeln.de wrote:
 Chris Davies schrieb:
 Berthold Cogel co...@uni-koeln.de wrote:
 We're doing somthing like this in /etc/sudoers:


 Cmnd_Alias      SHELLS =        /bin/sh, \
                                /bin/bash, \
                               [...]

 TRUSTED_USR  ALL = NOPASSWD:    ALL ,!SHELLS, NOROOT

 Surely this breaks trivially?

     ln -s /bin/bash /tmp/somethingelse
     sudo /tmp/somethingelse

 Chris



 Of course you're right...

 But in this case TRUSTED_USR means what it says... It's only to prevent
 colleagues to shoot themselves.

 For the very special setup on some of our systems they need a lot of
 permissions. But we don't want them do be root for some reasons.
 Surely they can break the setup if they want. But they gain nothing if
 they do.

 It's not a setup we make for every user. But it would be a waste to
 define each single command in this case. If they really need to be root,
 they can use sudosh.


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open source webmail with gnupg support

2009-07-25 Thread comolik

hello,

it seems like none of the better open source webmail interfaces supports
gnupg. in particular i like atmail open (www.atmail.org) and roundcube
(www.roundcube.net) both have a very nice design.

unfortunately only the atmail commercial version has gnupg support, and
roundcube is missing the feature completely even though much people seem
to be interested: http://trac.roundcube.net/ticket/1440396

only webmail interface that i found with gnupg support is squirrelmail,
but first squirrelmail has an ugly design, and second its gnupg support
depends on the gnupg binary being available.

maybe you know of some other webmail client that has gnupg support via
gnupg php library (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.gnupg-sign.php)

- comolik


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Re: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-07-25 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI

Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 2009-07-24 17:01, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
   
 I'd suggest one of the dozen free e-mail services around.
 

 You've never worked in a security-conscious bureaucracy, have you?
   

Not really, but I can nevertheless imagine that even a
not-so-security-conscious bureaucracy would want to block Gmail, Yahoo
and the likes.

I can also imagine that if a security-conscious bureaucracy does not
want its employees to access external e-mail services, it will also not
want those employees to use their corporate e-mails to post in mailing
lists that are unrelated to the work in question. (Unless his job
happens to be a Debian system administrator, in which case it posting to
debian-user hardly qualifies as something not work-related.)


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Re: MTA experts: address rewriting depending on next hop

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:04:05PM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:16 -0600, lee wrote:
  On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 01:26:37PM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
 [snip]
   Moreover you're quoting my hint to the link there.  Look into
   debian-devel archives, I won't repeat myself.
  
  Yeah, sure, I'm going to browse through the archives of d-d after
  guessing you might mean debian-devel and filter out all URLs that
  might have been posted on that list. That I spent a week or so to
  check out all the URLs to make a guess what you're referring
  to. Sorry, but you're an idiot.
 
 Oh dear Hans Wilmer (at least that's what you used as realname in
 previous postings), you're getting personalgrin.

Yeah, sorry, I should have said you behave like an idiot.

 Just to show you what you could have done in 10 seconds if you knew
 how to search debian's ML archives at
   http://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/search
 search for MTA experts: yielding at position 2:
   http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/07/msg00576.html

Guess what: I don't care. Why should I search for it when you mention
some link somewhere? If you want someone to look at something, then
post the URL or another unambiguous reference.

 grinning-idiotically-yours
   Siggy
 
 ps: l...@... is posting to d-u since January 2003. IMHO that's
 more than enough time to learn how to use the archives.

Yeah, you still behave like an idiot. Why should I search for postings
I might have made to a mailing list 6 years ago? Seems like you have
too much time and don't know what to do with it. Good for you.


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Re: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-07-25 Thread Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρο ς

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 01:43:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 What part of not under human control don't you understand??

You mean a machine has made these posts? Maybe --- that might explain
why there aren't any answers from the OP --- but machines are usually
under human control. If they aren't, that's a problem in
itself. Perhaps some aliens dropped off a computer to take over the
internet ...


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Re: help, ive broken my linux but it still boots up!

2009-07-25 Thread jeremy jozwik

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
 Maybe you removed some fonts?  (Your gmail account hides your nation of
 origin, and thus important clues.)

no fonts removed, in fact i added ones for chinese characters.

 Does it occur every time you boot?

everytime.

 Does your system otherwise run normally?

yes

 Is there much personal data on that machine that you couldn't back up to a
 CD/DVD-R or thumb drive?

ive already made backups, like i said its only been a week so not much
has made its way on yet

 Now that you installed once, think you could do it again, faster and better?
 Is /home on a separate partition?  (If not, reinstall!!)
 (Note that reinstalling 2-3 times when young is rather typical.)

i suppose, is partitioning out /home standard procedure?


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Re: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-07-25 Thread Michael Ekstrand

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
 Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 2009-07-24 17:01, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
   
 I'd suggest one of the dozen free e-mail services around.
 
 You've never worked in a security-conscious bureaucracy, have you?
   
 
 Not really, but I can nevertheless imagine that even a
 not-so-security-conscious bureaucracy would want to block Gmail, Yahoo
 and the likes.
 
 I can also imagine that if a security-conscious bureaucracy does not
 want its employees to access external e-mail services, it will also not
 want those employees to use their corporate e-mails to post in mailing
 lists that are unrelated to the work in question. (Unless his job
 happens to be a Debian system administrator, in which case it posting to
 debian-user hardly qualifies as something not work-related.)

The set of assumptions here and elsewhere in the thread is interesting
and, I think, seriously harmful to the reputation of the community.
When someone posts to a technical mailing list from a work account, I
usually assume that it is related to their work.  The prevailing
assumption in this thread seems to be the other way around.

And if it is related to their work, and they do not have a way to
disable such disclaimers, it does not speak well of the community *at
all* to continually berate the poster for posting with a disclaimer.
It says any or all of the following:

 * Get a different job
 * Institutions with various rules shouldn't use Debian because their
employees can't get good community support using the resources they are
provided for obtaining such support.
 * Employees should bypass organizational (or legal!) requirements just
to satisfy the whims of people who don't want to see the disclaimer.
 * The Debian user community has a high population of jerks, don't ask
them for help.

Yes, typical disclaimers are nonsensical on public lists.  BUT, taking
the poster to task so aggressively and for so long when it is likely
entirely outside his or her control is entirely inappropriate.  Talk
about shooting the messenger.

- Michael


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Iceape: Display of .png and .svg files

2009-07-25 Thread Sebastian Canagaratna


Hi:

  I am using Debian Testing and Iceape as well as Epiphany Browser. 
Epiphany has no problems when I view files from, e.g., Wikipedia of 
displaying png files and svg files directly on the html page. With 
Iceape however, there is an empty box with a link, and when I follow the 
link I can display the files. I have tried to use Preference to indicate 
what applications to use. E.g. I asked it to use display (from Imagick) 
to display png files; this makes no change in its behavior.


  WHat am I doing wrong?

Sebastian Canagaratna
Department of Chemistry
Ohio Northern University
Ada, OH 45810


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Install on Mac G4

2009-07-25 Thread Suzanne


Mac Powerbook G4. How do I install without Grub?
Michael


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Re: Sid: Grub2 faling to boot: Unknown device UUID

2009-07-25 Thread Curt Howland

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 menuentry Debian GNU/Linux, Linux 2.6.30-1-686 {
 set root=(hd0,1)
 search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set
 8946a06a-195e-4e5d-ba10-5ebc16dbf84b
 linux   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro  quiet
 initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-1-686
 =

Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 Check with blkid, the UUID is probably wrong or something.

Nope.

# blkid
/dev/hda1: UUID=8946a06a-195e-4e5d-ba10-5ebc16dbf84b TYPE=ext3

They match.


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Frequent crashes whilst using X (try 2)

2009-07-25 Thread Barry Samuels

Debian Squeeze/Testing with kernel 2.6.26 and the nv driver.

A few weeks ago after some packages were updated X applications started 
crashing and sometimes brought X down as well.

I use Balsa as my mailer and often when I click on a mail folder to open 
it Balsa just crashes (disappears). Today I started Qemu and when I 
clicked inside the window to capture the mouse pointer X crashed and I was 
back at the KDM login.

The only error I can find for the Qemu crash is in Xorg.0.log.old:

(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded

Fatal server error:
bogus pointer event from ddx

I've assumed that there may be a bug in one of the upgraded packages but 
I've no idea which one. Is anyone else experiencing this?

UPDATE: It does seem to be mouse related. I have also seen this 
in .xsession-errors: balsa: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily 
unavailable) on X server :0.0.

I would be nice to know if other people *aren't* getting this as it would 
then mean the problem must be on my system. That would at least be a clue 
although I cannot imagine why it started suddenly.

Anyone?

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request for a mono vote.

As a dedicated  debian user i want to express my concerns and worries 
regarding mono inclusion in main

and i  ask for a vote for mono in non-free/main because:

1) I feel like microsoft is not clear about the license issues.
2) MS is a monopoly in desktop OS market and its monopoly aggresive 
behavior has been proven
in courts and is evident every day. see netbook market for example. 
Wouldnt a pro-ms pro-monopoly  move harm the excellent name Debian has 
build?
3) Is essential to me and the way i perceive the debian identity to has 
a clear position out of middleware rivalries of

multinationals companies not favoring or taking sides.

+1 for a voting procedure.

chomwitt


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Re: request for a mono vote.

2009-07-25 Thread Michael Ekstrand

Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote:
 As a dedicated  debian user i want to express my concerns and worries
 regarding mono inclusion in main
 and i  ask for a vote for mono in non-free/main because:
 
 1) I feel like microsoft is not clear about the license issues.
 2) MS is a monopoly in desktop OS market and its monopoly aggresive
 behavior has been proven
 in courts and is evident every day. see netbook market for example.
 Wouldnt a pro-ms pro-monopoly  move harm the excellent name Debian has
 build?
 3) Is essential to me and the way i perceive the debian identity to has
 a clear position out of middleware rivalries of
 multinationals companies not favoring or taking sides.

None of these provide an argument for Mono itself being non-free.
Unnamed and unexecuted threats of patent aggression don't count.  So far
as I know, the only cases where software is omitted from main for patent
reasons is when they use patents for which infringement is actively
being prosecuted (see MP3 encoding).  This has not yet happened with Mono.

The other issues are not relevant  Software's inclusion should be based
on the software itself, not organizations it may or may not be
affiliated with.  Otherwise Debian should kick out Samba too.

I am not saying anything about the good or bad of Mono.  I am merely
stating that there is not sufficient cause to take it out of Debian main
at this point given the historical precedents of Debian.  And that there
is not sufficient cause to expend bandwidth to have a vote on the matter.

- Michael



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Re: Debian Lenny amd64 hangs when loading parport module

2009-07-25 Thread Jose Perez

Hi:

 Getting a message about gutenprint probably means that there's
 something wrong with the so-called drivers, i. e. filters, that make
 all the features of the printer available.

 Do you have the gutenprint packages installed? You probably need to
 start with the cups-driver-gutenprint package (it's part of the
 distribution) and eventually install additional packages (also part of
 Debian) that specifically support the printer you're using if the
 support for it isn't already provided by cups-driver-gutenprint.


 Yes, probably I didn't install the *gutentprint* packages. I was a lot
 confused about lp, ppdev and parport modules that I forgot to install
 some extra packages required to print.

 I'm going to install other dependencies and after trying I'll post
 again the results.

 Thanks

I installed cups-driver-guntenprint and after restarting CUPS and
following the KDE Printer configuration assistant I get the same error
message shown before (related to gutenprint and permissions).

I believe that this error is caused by not loadind the lp module
because I can't see any /dev/lp* device created.

Any idea? Could this be a bug in some kernel module? or maybe a
hardware bug in my mainboard? What direction should I point to solve
this issue? :(

Thanks
 See
 http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_920C
 --- they are saying it's working fine ...


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Re: Fw: Mounting Iphone with Ifuse as User

2009-07-25 Thread Alejandro Salas

 From: Florian Kulzer, Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:34:43 PM

 On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 14:27:38 -0700, Alejandro Salas wrote:
   On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:32:10 -0700, Alejandro Salas wrote:
 The fuse group should have been created by the post-installation 
 script
 of the fuse-utils package. 

 I created it and added my user 
 to the group.
 I still get the same error message. :-(. Any ideas?

[...]

  I don't see anything wrong here; it looks like both udev and HAL have
  done exactly what they were supposed to be doing.
  
  What output do you get from:
  
  ls -l /dev/fuse
  
  ls -l /dev/bus/usb/*
 
 Here they are:
 
 ls -l /dev/fuse 
 crw-rw 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-07-08 10:41 /dev/fuse
 
 
 ls -l /dev/bus/usb/*
 /dev/bus/usb/001:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 0 2009-07-08 06:06 001
 
 /dev/bus/usb/002:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 128 2009-07-08 06:06 001
 
 /dev/bus/usb/003:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 256 2009-07-08 06:06 001
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 257 2009-07-08 06:06 002
 
 /dev/bus/usb/004:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 384 2009-07-08 06:06 001
 
 /dev/bus/usb/005:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 512 2009-07-08 06:06 001
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 513 2009-07-08 06:06 002
 
 /dev/bus/usb/006:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 640 2009-07-08 06:06 001
 
 /dev/bus/usb/007:
 total 0
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 768 2009-07-08 06:06 001
 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 770 2009-07-08 15:59 003
 
 The last entry ('003') appeared only after plugging the iphone to a
 usb port. Everything else remained the same.

 That looks OK to me, too. I am afraid you will need someone who actually
 uses an iPhone under Linux to help you further. (I do not have an iPhone
 myself; I had hoped that I would be able to spot something suspicious in
 the general device-plugging behavior but that does not seem to be the
 case.)

Thanks for all your help. I got another piece of information from Amain on this 
blog: 
http://blog.zoomeren.nl/2009/03/24/mount-iphone-in-linux-using-usb-ifuse-libiphone/comment-page-1/#comment-44

I ran strace and found out that the problem is that my user doesn't have access 
to the raw usb device. Here's a copy of a few lines of the strace output:

open(”/dev/bus/usb/006/002″, O_RDWR)= -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
open(”/dev/bus/usb/006/002″, O_RDONLY)  = 3
ioctl(3, USBDEVFS_IOCTL, 0xbfa67610)= -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
close(3)= 0
open(”/dev/bus/usb/006/001″, O_RDWR)= -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
open(”/dev/bus/usb/006/001″, O_RDONLY)  = 3
ioctl(3, USBDEVFS_IOCTL, 0xbfa67610)= -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
close(3)

Another thing Amain pointed me out is that his usb devices have the following 
ownerships:

ls -l /dev/bus/usb/001/003
crw-rw-r–+ 1 root plugdev 189, 2 2009-07-24 22:21 /dev/bus/usb/001/003

And his user belongs to the plugdev group. As I posted last time.. my devices 
belong to root root... could this be the problem? Any ideas? Thanks a lot for 
your effort

Re: request for a mono vote.

2009-07-25 Thread aprekates


O/H Michael Ekstrand έγραψε:

Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote:
  

As a dedicated  debian user i want to express my concerns and worries
regarding mono inclusion in main
and i  ask for a vote for mono in non-free/main because:

1) I feel like microsoft is not clear about the license issues.
2) MS is a monopoly in desktop OS market and its monopoly aggresive
behavior has been proven
in courts and is evident every day. see netbook market for example.
Wouldnt a pro-ms pro-monopoly  move harm the excellent name Debian has
build?
3) Is essential to me and the way i perceive the debian identity to has
a clear position out of middleware rivalries of
multinationals companies not favoring or taking sides.



None of these provide an argument for Mono itself being non-free.
Unnamed and unexecuted threats of patent aggression don't count.  So far
as I know, the only cases where software is omitted from main for patent
reasons is when they use patents for which infringement is actively
being prosecuted (see MP3 encoding).  This has not yet happened with Mono.

The other issues are not relevant  Software's inclusion should be based
on the software itself, not organizations it may or may not be
affiliated with.  Otherwise Debian should kick out Samba too.

I am not saying anything about the good or bad of Mono.  I am merely
stating that there is not sufficient cause to take it out of Debian main
at this point given the historical precedents of Debian.  And that there
is not sufficient cause to expend bandwidth to have a vote on the matter.

- Michael

  
I'm not saying to 'kick someone', i'm arguing about moving in non-free 
section.

Also i want to remind the USA vs Microsoft case. There judge Jackson spoke
about nascent threats (referring to java+netscape middleware) . (In that 
case technicaly netscape

wasnt an OS so no harm done from MS!). So i think formally  maybe
you're right and its free software but if you step back and take other 
angles   it's valid to
argue seriously about mono being a nascent threat for Debian in many 
levels  and not

only in a strict interpretation of current license issues.



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Re: Install on Mac G4

2009-07-25 Thread Miles Fidelman


Suzanne wrote:

Mac Powerbook G4. How do I install without Grub?
Michael



Might I humbly suggest RTFM?

A piddling amount of googling leades to: 
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ - the installation manual 
for Debian on PowerPC.


I direct your attention to section 6.3.6.2:

Newer (mid 1998 and on) PowerMacs use *yaboot* as their boot loader. 
The installer will set up *yaboot* automatically, so all you need is a 
small 820k partition named “bootstrap” with type /Apple_Bootstrap/ 
created back in the partitioning component. If this step completes 
successfully then your disk should now be bootable and OpenFirmware will 
be set to boot Debian GNU/Linux


There's no mention of Grub anywhere in there.

I'll also mention that a little more googling will suggest that, if you 
want to dual boot w/ OS X, install OS X first, then debian. I believe 
the quote was the OS X installer is very unfriendly to other operating 
systems. Be sure to leave a partition for OS X.




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Re: request for a mono vote.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 20:06 +0300, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote:

 As a dedicated debian user i want to express my concerns and worries
 regarding mono inclusion in main and i ask for a vote for mono in
 non-free/main because:

 1) I feel like microsoft is not clear about the license issues.

That's strategy, in the future a possible move - given a suitable
majority in the US supreme court - might be to prove open source
licenses are violating their *Constitution*.

 2) MS is a monopoly in desktop OS market and its monopoly aggresive
 behavior has been proven in courts and is evident every day. see
 netbook market for example.  Wouldnt a pro-ms pro-monopoly move harm
 the excellent name Debian has build?

Should it ever be necessary to go to court against m$, only ${deity}
knows the outcome and for sure m$ can hire better lawyers than the
oss community can ever afford.

 3) Is essential to me and the way i perceive the debian identity to
 has a clear position out of middleware rivalries of multinationals
 companies not favoring or taking sides.

Sorry I don't grok what you are saying here.

 +1 for a voting procedure.

Not yet decided, maybe I'll build a local dummy package marked
essential that conflicts with mono, effectively ruling out anything
that depends on mono. For now that's just an first idea, I still have
to work out the details.

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Re: help, ive broken my linux but it still boots up!

2009-07-25 Thread Osamu Aoki

Hi,

I bet you must have installed your system by chosing non-English
language as your choice.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:09:41PM -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
 so ive been running debian lenny for about a week. everythings been
 hunky-dorry until this evening when i turned on my laptop and was
 greeted with several seconds of this during the boot up process.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/godblessbotox/3753646865/

This is Linux console.  This does not support Chinese/Japanese/Korean
characters.  You are clearly chosen some non-English language locale as
your default.
 
 along with that gobbely gook it beeps for about 3 seconds.
 
 am i boned or is there any hope of a recovery to this?

# dpkg-reconfigure locales

Read 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch08.en.html#_the_reconfiguration_of_the_locale

Chose US English

As for setting up for your locale only in X to avoid this, read:
 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch08.en.html#_specific_locale_only_under_x_window

Osamu


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Re: Install on Mac G4

2009-07-25 Thread Osamu Aoki

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:28:00AM -0500, Suzanne wrote:
 Mac Powerbook G4. How do I install without Grub?

Short answer: yaboot 

Read insttalation manuals :-)  There are CPU specific ones.

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/

As for booting G4(NewWorld PowerMacs):
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch07s01.html.en

As for yaboot: http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/


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Re: Iceape: Display of .png and .svg files


On 2009-07-25 10:40, Sebastian Canagaratna wrote:

Hi:

  I am using Debian Testing and Iceape as well as Epiphany Browser. 
Epiphany has no problems when I view files from, e.g., Wikipedia of 
displaying png files and svg files directly on the html page. With 
Iceape however, there is an empty box with a link, and when I follow the 
link I can display the files. I have tried to use Preference to indicate 
what applications to use. E.g. I asked it to use display (from Imagick) 
to display png files; this makes no change in its behavior.


  WHat am I doing wrong?


That's odd.  iceape-browser depends on libpngX.

BTW, which branch are you running?  (iceape has been dropped from 
Lenny.)


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Re: request for a mono vote.


On 2009-07-25 12:06, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote:
As a dedicated  debian user i want to express my concerns and worries 
regarding mono inclusion in main

and i  ask for a vote for mono in non-free/main because:

1) I feel like microsoft is not clear about the license issues.
2) MS is a monopoly in desktop OS market and its monopoly aggresive 
behavior has been proven
in courts and is evident every day. see netbook market for example. 
Wouldnt a pro-ms pro-monopoly  move harm the excellent name Debian has 
build?
3) Is essential to me and the way i perceive the debian identity to has 
a clear position out of middleware rivalries of

multinationals companies not favoring or taking sides.

+1 for a voting procedure.


As a consumer of other people's free labor, you get NO vote.

However, if you feel strongly about it, install popcon and mononono 
(from http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/).


Or... switch from Debian to gNewSense.

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Re: help, ive broken my linux but it still boots up!


On 2009-07-25 10:11, jeremy jozwik wrote:
[snip]



Now that you installed once, think you could do it again, faster and better?
Is /home on a separate partition?  (If not, reinstall!!)
(Note that reinstalling 2-3 times when young is rather typical.)


i suppose, is partitioning out /home standard procedure?


Pretty much.  There's no *rule* stating you must, but it's a wise 
idea.  Fortunately, there's an option in the installer to let you 
create a separate /home.


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re: panasonic printer problem

This is getting interesting now and I have some good news.  I hooked the 
printer up to a real dos box that never had any other operating system on 
it and used a file manager to print a file.  This time, the file came out 
legible with no garbage.  So, I'm thinking printing with this kind of 
printer using Linux will probably work only using cat filename /dev/lp0 
and not using any of the other printing facilities.  I could be wrong 
about that but don't think so.  I'll try later and get some assistance 
finding out what happened.




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Re: request for a mono vote.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:46 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 However, if you feel strongly about it, install popcon and mononono
 (from http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/).

Thanks for the link, that almost what I have imagined. Still I have to
investigate the implications of adding Essential: yes making
effectively making it almost unremovable.

 Or... switch from Debian to gNewSense.

If the 'g' means what I suspect, that's trading shackles for
handcuffs.

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Re: Sid: Grub2 faling to boot: Unknown device UUID

2009-07-25 Thread mess-mate


Matthew Moore wrote:


On Friday July 24 2009 9:49:38 am Micha Feigin wrote:
  

try looking
for a uuid option under /etc/default/grub2 or /etc/grub2 or something
similar (not sure where the settings are, try looking at the comment at the
start of /boot/grub/grub.cfg or find my earlier mail in this thread)



The option is at the end of the configuration file in /etc/default/grub. Once 
you change the file, you need to run update-grub to get the changes propagated. 
If you are booting from a livecd, the easiest way to get this to work is to 
chroot into your root filesystem and then make the changes and run update-grub.


MM


  
Hi, there is no /etc/default/grub or grub2 or something to disable that 
UUID thing in squeeze and i didn't found anywhere to disable that UUID.


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Re: Iceape: Display of .png and .svg files

2009-07-25 Thread mess-mate


Ron Johnson wrote:



On 2009-07-25 10:40, Sebastian Canagaratna wrote:

Hi:

  I am using Debian Testing and Iceape as well as Epiphany Browser. 
Epiphany has no problems when I view files from, e.g., Wikipedia of 
displaying png files and svg files directly on the html page. With 
Iceape however, there is an empty box with a link, and when I follow 
the link I can display the files. I have tried to use Preference to 
indicate what applications to use. E.g. I asked it to use display 
(from Imagick) to display png files; this makes no change in its 
behavior.


  WHat am I doing wrong?


That's odd.  iceape-browser depends on libpngX.

BTW, which branch are you running?  (iceape has been dropped from Lenny.)


uhh... subsist in squeeze ...




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Re: help, ive broken my linux but it still boots up!

2009-07-25 Thread Osamu Aoki

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 08:11:35AM -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Ron Johnsonron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
  Maybe you removed some fonts?  (Your gmail account hides your nation of
  origin, and thus important clues.)
 
 no fonts removed, in fact i added ones for chinese characters.

And I bet you chose chinese as default locale :-)
 
...
 ive already made backups, like i said its only been a week so not much
 has made its way on yet

I think you do not need to worry this much.
 
  Now that you installed once, think you could do it again, faster and better?
  Is /home on a separate partition?  (If not, reinstall!!)
  (Note that reinstalling 2-3 times when young is rather typical.)
 
 i suppose, is partitioning out /home standard procedure?

For some people, yes.  I do not do this any more.

Osamu


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Re: help, ive broken my linux but it still boots up!

2009-07-25 Thread Dotan Cohen

 Google motherboard beep codes. A three second beep is usually either
 the video or RAM. Take it apart, reseat it (Hold ground while you do)
 and try again. You might want to check a few hours of memtest as well.

 But aren't those POST codes?  According to his photo, these beeps are during
 Linux's boot process, which leads me to think that it's doing what consoles
 always do when they receive random binary data.


They are POST codes, but I've seen motherboards beep on errors even
when the system is running. I once had a library PC blast Beethoven at
me while overheating.

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iceape back in sid :)

2009-07-25 Thread Gerard Robin


Thank you to the programmers who maintain iceape again.
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Re: panasonic printer problem


On 2009-07-25 12:57, Jude DaShiell wrote:
This is getting interesting now and I have some good news.  I hooked the 
printer up to a real dos box that never had any other operating system 
on it and used a file manager to print a file.  This time, the file came 
out legible with no garbage.  So, I'm thinking printing with this kind 
of printer using Linux will probably work only using cat filename 
 /dev/lp0 and not using any of the other printing facilities.  I could 
be wrong about that but don't think so.  I'll try later and get some 
assistance finding out what happened.


It being a line printer, that would not surprise me.  Besides, 
dot-matrix graphics???  Eeew.


And *noisy*. 45 minutes of zt zt zt zt zt 
zt zt zt zt zt zt zt zt zt 
zt zt zt zt zt zt zt zt zt 
zt zt zt has been ruled torture by the Internation 
Court of Human Rights.


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Re: Iceape: Display of .png and .svg files

2009-07-25 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2009-07-25 17:40 +0200, Sebastian Canagaratna wrote:

   I am using Debian Testing and Iceape as well as Epiphany
 Browser. Epiphany has no problems when I view files from, e.g.,
 Wikipedia of displaying png files and svg files directly on the html
 page. With Iceape however, there is an empty box with a link, and when
 I follow the link I can display the files. I have tried to use
 Preference to indicate what applications to use. E.g. I asked it to
 use display (from Imagick) to display png files; this makes no change
 in its behavior.

My hunch is that you have disabled loading images from third-party sites
in Iceape.  Check the value of permissions.default.image¹ in
about:config.

Sven


¹ http://kb.mozillazine.org/Permissions.default.image


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Re: request for a mono vote.


On 2009-07-25 13:14, Siggy Brentrup wrote:

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:46 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

However, if you feel strongly about it, install popcon and mononono
(from http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/).


Thanks for the link, that almost what I have imagined. Still I have to
investigate the implications of adding Essential: yes making
effectively making it almost unremovable.


Or... switch from Debian to gNewSense.


If the 'g' means what I suspect, that's trading shackles for
handcuffs.


Choose your poison.  Or write it *all* yourself...

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Re: Fw: Mounting Iphone with Ifuse as User

2009-07-25 Thread Florian Kulzer

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 09:50:00 -0700, Alejandro Salas wrote:
  From: Florian Kulzer, Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 2:34:43 PM
  On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 14:27:38 -0700, Alejandro Salas wrote:

[...]

 I got another piece of information from Amain on this blog:
 http://blog.zoomeren.nl/2009/03/24/mount-iphone-in-linux-using-usb-ifuse-libiphone/comment-page-1/#comment-44
 
 I ran strace and found out that the problem is that my user doesn't
 have access to the raw usb device. Here's a copy of a few lines of the
 strace output:
 
 open(”/dev/bus/usb/006/002″, O_RDWR)= -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
 open(”/dev/bus/usb/006/002″, O_RDONLY)  = 3
 ioctl(3, USBDEVFS_IOCTL, 0xbfa67610)= -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
 close(3)= 0
 open(”/dev/bus/usb/006/001″, O_RDWR)= -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
 open(”/dev/bus/usb/006/001″, O_RDONLY)  = 3
 ioctl(3, USBDEVFS_IOCTL, 0xbfa67610)= -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
 close(3)

That is indeed pretty clear; it seems that write access to the raw USB
device is required.

 Another thing Amain pointed me out is that his usb devices have the
 following ownerships:
 
 ls -l /dev/bus/usb/001/003
 crw-rw-r–+ 1 root plugdev 189, 2 2009-07-24 22:21 /dev/bus/usb/001/003

So his Ubuntu changes the group of the iPhone-associated USB (hub?)
device to plugdev. That is one possibility to give write access to a
select group of users. They furthermore seem to have some additional
access control on the device file, as can be seen from the + at the
end of the permissions string.

 And his user belongs to the plugdev group. As I posted last time.. my
 devices belong to root root... could this be the problem? Any ideas?

I would add your normal user to the plugdev group if you have not done
so already. Then I would manually (as root) change the group of the
relevant USB device file to plugdev and test if your user can access the
iPhone. If this works then we can try to figure out a udev rule to make
the change to plugdev automatic.

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Re: iceape back in sid :)


On 2009-07-25 13:13, Gerard Robin wrote:

Thank you to the programmers who maintain iceape again.


Honest question: why use iceape/SeaMonkey?  What benefits does it 
give you above firefox/tbird/pidgin?


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Re: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-07-25 Thread Matthew Moore

On Saturday July 25 2009 7:41:23 am lee wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 01:43:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
  What part of not under human control don't you understand??

 You mean a machine has made these posts? Maybe --- that might explain
 why there aren't any answers from the OP --- but machines are usually
 under human control. If they aren't, that's a problem in
 itself. Perhaps some aliens dropped off a computer to take over the
 internet ...

Are you purposely being dense, or just trolling?

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Re: request for a mono vote.

2009-07-25 Thread aprekates


O/H Ron Johnson έγραψε:

On 2009-07-25 12:06, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote:
As a dedicated  debian user i want to express my concerns and worries 
regarding mono inclusion in main

and i  ask for a vote for mono in non-free/main because:

1) I feel like microsoft is not clear about the license issues.
2) MS is a monopoly in desktop OS market and its monopoly aggresive 
behavior has been proven
in courts and is evident every day. see netbook market for example. 
Wouldnt a pro-ms pro-monopoly  move harm the excellent name Debian 
has build?
3) Is essential to me and the way i perceive the debian identity to 
has a clear position out of middleware rivalries of

multinationals companies not favoring or taking sides.

+1 for a voting procedure.


As a consumer of other people's free labor, you get NO vote.
Sorry for the vote. . I mean an informal poll.  But your remark is 
little aggresive and personal. Maybe  i am what you claim but i'm not a 
proven monopolist having harmed the social well being with exclusionary 
conducts.  Are you missing the big players here? 


However, if you feel strongly about it, install popcon and mononono 
(from http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/).


I'm not passionate about it. Are u dispassionate about it? Did u try to 
look my angle ?





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HDD,SSD,diagnostic,integrity verify tools.Free,Opensource.

2009-07-25 Thread Luis Maceira


What is the best tool available in the free,OpenSource world to verify
the integrity of HDD but,specially SSD drives(the fading capacity problem
with too many writes to the same blocks).It is not only a problem of
filesystem check,it is more physical of the drive itself.Right now,I do
not remember of any.


  


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Re: request for a mono vote.

2009-07-25 Thread Frank Lin PIAT

Hi,

On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 20:06 +0300, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος wrote:
 As a dedicated  debian user i want to express my concerns and worries 
 regarding mono inclusion in main
 and i  ask for a vote for mono in non-free/main because:
 
 1) I feel like microsoft is not clear about the license issues.
 2) MS is a monopoly in desktop OS market and its monopoly aggresive 
 behavior has been proven
 in courts and is evident every day. see netbook market for example. 
 Wouldnt a pro-ms pro-monopoly  move harm the excellent name Debian has 
 build?
 3) Is essential to me and the way i perceive the debian identity to has 
 a clear position out of middleware rivalries of
 multinationals companies not favoring or taking sides.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Debian Testing now installs the meta
package gnome-desktop-environment by default (and not gnome, which
depends or recommends extra tools like gnome-office, gnumeric,
abiword ... and banshee, tomboy [which depends on mono])

So the problem is over, isn't it?

Franklin


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Re: request for a mono vote.

2009-07-25 Thread Gregory Seidman

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 08:06:31PM +0300, ?? wrote:
As a dedicated debian user i want to express my concerns and worries
regarding mono inclusion in main and i ask for a vote for mono in
non-free/main because:

1) I feel like microsoft is not clear about the license issues.

This seems pretty clear:

http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx
http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft-moves-C-NET-CLI-to-community-license-helps-Mono/1246980965

2) MS is a monopoly in desktop OS market and its monopoly aggresive
behavior has been proven in courts and is evident every day. see netbook
market for example. Wouldnt a pro-ms pro-monopoly move harm the
excellent name Debian has build?

That has nothing to do with Mono. Mono is not tied to MS in any way. The
software has been implemented independently and under open source
licenses (GPL, LGPL, and MIT X11, depending on which piece):

http://www.mono-project.com/Mono,_a_technical_whitepaper#Mono_Licensing

3) Is essential to me and the way i perceive the debian identity to has
a clear position out of middleware rivalries of multinationals companies
not favoring or taking sides.

I can't parse this sentence. Rather, I can't tell whether you are claiming
that Debian should or should not have a clear position. It doesn't matter,
of course, since Debian has a clear position on licensing, not software
rivalries.

Perl, Python, PHP, Ruby, TCL, etc. are all available in Debian main, as are
a couple of Java interpreters. As long as they are under open source
licenses and are unencumbered by patent threats (or stupid encryption
export laws), they belong in main.

+1 for a voting procedure.

+1 for understanding the relevant patent licensing, code licensing, and
Debian policy

-1 for calling for a vote without that understanding

chomwitt
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Re: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:31:51AM -0500, Michael Ekstrand wrote:

  * The Debian user community has a high population of jerks, don't
 ask them for help.

 Yes, typical disclaimers are nonsensical on public lists.  BUT, taking
 the poster to task so aggressively and for so long when it is likely
 entirely outside his or her control is entirely inappropriate.

It is entirely inappropriate to post the disclaimer on the list. It is
also entirely inappropriate for the poster not to say anything to that
and not even to say thanks for your answers. He or she also didn't
respond to a mail I sent her/him with some answer and a suggestion to
remove the disclaimer.

And yes, there are too many jerks on this list.


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Re: Emails [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:56:50PM -0600, Matthew Moore wrote:
 On Saturday July 25 2009 7:41:23 am lee wrote:
  On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 01:43:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
   What part of not under human control don't you understand??
 
  You mean a machine has made these posts? Maybe --- that might explain
  why there aren't any answers from the OP --- but machines are usually
  under human control. If they aren't, that's a problem in
  itself. Perhaps some aliens dropped off a computer to take over the
  internet ...
 
 Are you purposely being dense, or just trolling?

What do you mean? Putting a disclaimer into a mail *is* under human
control. If it's not, what then?


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Re: Iceape: Display of .png and .svg files: SOLVED

2009-07-25 Thread Sebastian Canagaratna


Sven:

   Thanks. That was the problem. Using about:config in the location 
bar, I found that the permissions had been set to 3; I set it to 1 (the 
default) and everything works now.


Sebastian Canagaratna

Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2009-07-25 17:40 +0200, Sebastian Canagaratna wrote:


  I am using Debian Testing and Iceape as well as Epiphany
Browser. Epiphany has no problems when I view files from, e.g.,
Wikipedia of displaying png files and svg files directly on the html
page. With Iceape however, there is an empty box with a link, and when
I follow the link I can display the files. I have tried to use
Preference to indicate what applications to use. E.g. I asked it to
use display (from Imagick) to display png files; this makes no change
in its behavior.


My hunch is that you have disabled loading images from third-party sites
in Iceape.  Check the value of permissions.default.image¹ in
about:config.

Sven


¹ http://kb.mozillazine.org/Permissions.default.image





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Re: Sid: Grub2 faling to boot: Unknown device UUID

2009-07-25 Thread Paul Scott


Micha Feigin wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:05:49 -0700
Paul Scott psl...@ultrasw.com wrote:

  

Matthew Moore wrote:


On Friday July 24 2009 9:49:38 am Micha Feigin wrote:
  
  

try looking
for a uuid option under /etc/default/grub2 or /etc/grub2 or something
similar (not sure where the settings are, try looking at the comment at the
start of /boot/grub/grub.cfg or find my earlier mail in this thread)


The option is at the end of the configuration file in /etc/default/grub. Once 
you change the file, you need to run update-grub to get the changes propagated. 
If you are booting from a livecd, the easiest way to get this to work is to 
chroot into your root filesystem and then make the changes and run update-grub.
  
  

Thanks!  Glad to have a solution.   This is exactly my situation.

Can you also tell me how to go the other way; to get booting to work 
with uuid's?  Is it as simple as changing the device name in /etc/fstab 
to a uuid or is that where the connection is made?





No, don't know how to make it work (are you using a custom kernel by any
chance? I think that it needs kernel support).
  


I'm just doing fairly normal updates and haven't used a custom kernel 
for a while.

I do know to answer the fstab part of the question though, fstab has nothing to
do with that part of the booting process. It is used by the init scripts and
mount. It's the kernel that needs to recognize the uuid values in order to boot.
  


Thanks.  I don't why upgrades would cause this problem.  I just relooked 
at menu.lst on that machine and don't see any uuid's.  I do have the 
same symptoms as the OP.


I guess I need to find out if I have to do anything to allow the grub to 
grub2 transition to happen.  I see that there are comments in menu.lst 
giving part of the answer.


Thanks,

Paul




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