Re: [wheezy] bizarrie avec claviers
Le Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:10:01 +0100, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Sinon je ne vois qu'un problème d'alim. Là je ne vois pas le rapport ? Peux-tu expliquer ? j'ai eu des fonctionnements bizarres liés au clavier et/aux alims. Par exemple une vieux clavier HP ne fonctionne pas au démarrage. Branché après c'est OK. Ceci n'est pas lié à la tension d'alimentation (5.00V). Je n'ai pas testé avec le dernier HUB. Pour l'alimentation les chargeurs ne tiennent pas toujours le courant demandé. Pour le WiFi c'est plus sournois : des pertes de liaison. À noter que plus cher n'est pas obligatoirement mieux : 6.5€ chez Electro- Depot le HUB 4 ports autoalimenté ... qui marche impec. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513aec17$0$2214$426a7...@news.free.fr
Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
Bonjour, C'est une question qui me taraude depuis quelques temps déjà... Ne serions-nous pas arrivé à la limite du process de livraison des version stable de Debian ? Nous allons entamer le 10éme mois de freezing et il reste encore + de 150 bugs Release Critical... Au rythme actuel de résolution (1.1 bugs par jour), la debian Stable sera livrée dans + de 6 mois ! Ma question est précisement serait-il à votre avis intéressant de découper la distribution en plusieurs projets (core, server, desktop...) qui pourrait avoir des cycle de vie différents ? ou bien de limiter l'évolution de la stable en rentrant en freezing tous les 6 mois / 1 an après la release? Je pense que cela aurait un impact positif sur les temps de release (par exemple conserver les mêmes règles pour core et server (0 bugs RC) et les assouplir pour les environements graphiques)... Qu'en pensez-vous ? ++ Mourad -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b0d94.9080...@nativobject.net
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 11:23:16 +0100 Mourad Jaber m...@nativobject.net wrote: C'est une question qui me taraude depuis quelques temps déjà... Ne serions-nous pas arrivé à la limite du process de livraison des version stable de Debian ? ARF! Vaste question qui a provoqué un certain tollé quand trudububu a voulu un peu forcer la main aux devs Debian pour avoir des releases à timing fixe. Après quelques tonnes de flammes, la philosophie est restée la même (et c'est tant mieux): release when ready. Tant mieux, parce que c'est, entre autres, ce qui distingue Debian des autres distros: sa stabilité légendaire. Mais il existe au moins une solution alternative: backports appliqué sur stable. Quoique certains aient parlé de risques, je n'ai personnellement pas eu de PB avec une telle combinaison (mais pas pour de la prod, donc à voir ce qu'en disent les autres, YMMV). -- BOFH excuse #249: Unfortunately we have run out of bits/bytes/whatever. Don't worry, the next supply will be coming next week. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130309114934.02d38acf@anubis.defcon1
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
Le Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:49:34 +0100 Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com a écrit: On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 11:23:16 +0100 Mourad Jaber m...@nativobject.net wrote: Mais il existe au moins une solution alternative: backports appliqué sur stable. Oui sauf que c'est pas simple d'utiliser backports j'ai rencontré plusieurs fois des problèmes de dépendances qui rendaient des paquets de backports non installable et puis y a quand même pas grand chose dans backports ou alors c'est trop vieux également. Par exemple libreoffice est encore en 3.5 ... Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130309131820.1b35ef7bdcb6fc775f66d...@neuf.fr
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
On 03/09/2013 11:23 AM, Mourad Jaber wrote: Bonjour, C'est une question qui me taraude depuis quelques temps déjà... Ne serions-nous pas arrivé à la limite du process de livraison des version stable de Debian ? Nous allons entamer le 10éme mois de freezing et il reste encore + de 150 bugs Release Critical... Bonjour Le problème des paquets obsolètes se résoud en mélangant sid et testing. Chez moi, la soupe Debian, c'est 98,876709% :-) de testing avec un soupçon de sid (gimp chromium xcfa) + un zeste de compilé maison (kernel mnogosearch arte+7recorder-5 bullet) + un zeste de précompilés (thunderbird et firefox version 17 ESR) -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b4123.8050...@gmail.com
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 15:03:15 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le problème des paquets obsolètes se résoud en mélangant sid et testing. Même pas vu que plus rien ne rentre dans sid. Pour rester sur libreoffice, sid en est toujours à la 3.5.4. Si on veut être à jour il faut s'aventurer dans experimental mais là ça devient vite scabreux. Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130309151428.ca71b511b967e1eea2890...@neuf.fr
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
On 03/09/2013 03:14 PM, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 15:03:15 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le problème des paquets obsolètes se résoud en mélangant sid et testing. Même pas vu que plus rien ne rentre dans sid. Pour rester sur libreoffice, sid en est toujours à la 3.5.4. Inexact. La plupart des paquets sid sont bloqués, d'autres, dont ceux que je cite et utilise, sont mis à jour plus ou moins régulièrement. -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b5311.40...@gmail.com
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
On 03/09/2013 03:14 PM, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 15:03:15 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le problème des paquets obsolètes se résoud en mélangant sid et testing. Même pas vu que plus rien ne rentre dans sid. Pour rester sur libreoffice, sid en est toujours à la 3.5.4. Entre les binaires fournis sur le site libreoffice et sid, pas grande différence. -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b541a.9080...@gmail.com
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:19:45 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: On 03/09/2013 03:14 PM, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 15:03:15 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le problème des paquets obsolètes se résoud en mélangant sid et testing. Même pas vu que plus rien ne rentre dans sid. Pour rester sur libreoffice, sid en est toujours à la 3.5.4. Inexact. La plupart des paquets sid sont bloqués, d'autres, dont ceux que je cite et utilise, sont mis à jour plus ou moins régulièrement. Y a vraiment des nouvelles versions qui rentrent dans sid ? J'ai l'impression que ce ne sont que des correctifs des versions existantes ? Mais bon je ne me suis pas amusé à regarder tous les paquets. Mais globalement ça tourne au ralenti ... Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130309163339.651fbf1a6e27d1de55995...@neuf.fr
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:24:10 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: On 03/09/2013 03:14 PM, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 15:03:15 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le problème des paquets obsolètes se résoud en mélangant sid et testing. Même pas vu que plus rien ne rentre dans sid. Pour rester sur libreoffice, sid en est toujours à la 3.5.4. Entre les binaires fournis sur le site libreoffice et sid, pas grande différence. Ah bon ? 3.5.4 dans Sid, 4.0.1 sur libreoffice. Pour moi ça fait une bonne différence, non ? Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130309163509.fcc23d83f0b6749e539f3...@neuf.fr
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
On 03/09/2013 04:35 PM, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:24:10 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: On 03/09/2013 03:14 PM, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 15:03:15 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le problème des paquets obsolètes se résoud en mélangant sid et testing. Même pas vu que plus rien ne rentre dans sid. Pour rester sur libreoffice, sid en est toujours à la 3.5.4. Entre les binaires fournis sur le site libreoffice et sid, pas grande différence. Ce qui voulait dire: question stabilité, on peut avoir le dernier libreoffice sans passer par sid. Oui, c'était ambigü... Ah bon ? 3.5.4 dans Sid, 4.0.1 sur libreoffice. Pour moi ça fait une bonne différence, non ? Gaëtan -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b596c.7020...@gmail.com
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
On 03/09/2013 04:33 PM, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:19:45 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: On 03/09/2013 03:14 PM, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 15:03:15 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le problème des paquets obsolètes se résoud en mélangant sid et testing. Même pas vu que plus rien ne rentre dans sid. Pour rester sur libreoffice, sid en est toujours à la 3.5.4. Inexact. La plupart des paquets sid sont bloqués, d'autres, dont ceux que je cite et utilise, sont mis à jour plus ou moins régulièrement. Y a vraiment des nouvelles versions qui rentrent dans sid ? J'ai l'impression que ce ne sont que des correctifs des versions existantes ? Mais bon je ne me suis pas amusé à regarder tous les paquets. Mais globalement ça tourne au ralenti ... A l'instant 5 nouveaux paquets libqmi viennent d'être ajoutés dans sid. Oui, c'est millimétrique... -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b5a43.5080...@gmail.com
syslog priority
Bonjour, je ne rappelle plus la commande poiur definir la priorité ddes événements pour syslog. Une idée ? -- Frédéric ZULIAN
Re: syslog priority
On Sat, Mar 09, 2013 at 05:29:24PM +0100, zul...@free.fr wrote:
je ne rappelle plus la commande poiur definir la priorité ddes événements
pour
syslog.
je ne comprends pas bien la question. S'il s'agit de configurer comment sont
distribués
les messages de log dans les fichiers de logs, ça dépend du système de log. Si
c'est
rsyslogd, voir les fichiers /etc/rsyslog.conf et autres.
S'il s'agit de mettre un message de log dans syslog, c'est la commande logger
qui utilise
la fonction syslog(3) de la librarie C.
Cordialement
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Re: imprimante Fargo DTC1000 USB en erreur
Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:30:02 +0100, Olivier Lange a écrit : une petite question... Soit l'imprimante DTC1000 de fargo (imprimante à carte) installée en USB sur une DEbian. Avec le bon ppd, etc... Elle est bien reconnue, mais lorsque je veux imprimer, cups me dit. SI l'un de vous a une idée, je suis preneur . Merci. (pour info, sur une installation Ubuntu 12.10, l'impression fonctionnait du premeir coup... c'est et l'impression d'une page de test ? -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b92dd$0$2279$426a3...@news.free.fr
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
Moi je mets de l'expérimental (avec une priorité faible) pour les logiciels comme libreoffice. ça le fait plutôt bien ... $ apt-cache policy libreoffice libreoffice: Installé : 1:4.0.1~rc1-2 Candidat : 1:4.0.1~rc1-2 Table de version : *** 1:4.0.1~rc1-2 0 150 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ experimental/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4 0 500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages 500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages D'autres logiciels paraissent évoluer dans sid de manière déconnectée de wheezy : $ apt-cache policy gimp gimp: Installé : 2.8.4-1 Candidat : 2.8.4-1 Table de version : *** 2.8.4-1 0 500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 2.8.2-2 0 500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages Guy On 09/03/2013 15:14, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 15:03:15 +0100 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le problème des paquets obsolètes se résoud en mélangant sid et testing. Même pas vu que plus rien ne rentre dans sid. Pour rester sur libreoffice, sid en est toujours à la 3.5.4. Si on veut être à jour il faut s'aventurer dans experimental mais là ça devient vite scabreux. Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b9a8b.7030...@teledetection.fr
Re: imprimante Fargo DTC1000 USB en erreur
Le 9 mars 2013 20:51, moi-meme chie...@free.fr a écrit : Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:30:02 +0100, Olivier Lange a écrit : une petite question... Soit l'imprimante DTC1000 de fargo (imprimante à carte) installée en USB sur une DEbian. Avec le bon ppd, etc... Elle est bien reconnue, mais lorsque je veux imprimer, cups me dit. SI l'un de vous a une idée, je suis preneur . Merci. (pour info, sur une installation Ubuntu 12.10, l'impression fonctionnait du premeir coup... c'est et l'impression d'une page de test ? Même erreur :( Olivier -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cabgc0btrfaey7tyvcnooarlnj_xs+y_ptcykynp_4q84ok7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Invitation à découvrir le Rotary-club de Paris-Nord le mardi 19 mars 2013
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Dans son message du 09/03/13 à 08:09, ais...@free.fr a écrit : quelle arnaque je croyais que la pub et le spam était interdit sur cette liste ? sinon desinscrit moi ! A mon avis, ceux qui ont envoyé de la pub ou du spam sur notre liste se moquent bien (ou ignorent ?) de la politique de restriction concernant les pourriels (voir http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#ads ). :-( La solution la plus simple est de les ignorer même si on est parfois agacé par leur présence. Moi, quand j'en rencontre un : hop, direction la poubelle ! Et sans état d'âme en plus. :-D Cordialement et à bientôt, Stéphane. Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous tente ? Je crée ma boîte mail www.laposte.net -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1878050196.280694.1362862434847.JavaMail.www@wwinf8306
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
Le 09/03/2013 11:23, Mourad Jaber a écrit : Bonjour, C'est une question qui me taraude depuis quelques temps déjà... Ne serions-nous pas arrivé à la limite du process de livraison des version stable de Debian ? Nous allons entamer le 10éme mois de freezing et il reste encore + de 150 bugs Release Critical... Au rythme actuel de résolution (1.1 bugs par jour), la debian Stable sera livrée dans + de 6 mois ! Ma question est précisement serait-il à votre avis intéressant de découper la distribution en plusieurs projets (core, server, desktop...) qui pourrait avoir des cycle de vie différents ? ou bien de limiter l'évolution de la stable en rentrant en freezing tous les 6 mois / 1 an après la release? Je pense que cela aurait un impact positif sur les temps de release (par exemple conserver les mêmes règles pour core et server (0 bugs RC) et les assouplir pour les environements graphiques)... Qu'en pensez-vous ? ++ Mourad Il est certain qu'avec l’essor de plus en plus important des logiciels libres et de l'usage de linux en desktop, qu'il va devenir difficile de maintenir une distribution comme Debian tout en y ajoutant de plus en plus de paquets. En y réfléchissant, il serait sans doute intéressant de penser au découpage du développement de la distribution, entre les applications systèmes (noyaux, serveur d'affichage, etc), les applications serveurs, et les applications desktop dont on aurait sans doute plus d'intérêt à les voir sortir du systèmes de paquet pour les installer en espace utilisateur en gérant les dépendances localement (et peut-être imaginer ainsi un moyen de distribuer ces applications de manière unifiées pour plusieurs distributions). -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b56a0.30...@goldenfish.info
Re:Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Dans son message du 09/03/13 à 11:23, Mourad a écrit : Ma question est précisement serait-il à votre avis intéressant de découper la distribution en plusieurs projets (core, server, desktop...) qui pourrait avoir des cycle de vie différents ? ou bien de limiter l'évolution de la stable en rentrant en freezing tous les 6 mois / 1 an après la release? Je pense que cela aurait un impact positif sur les temps de release (par exemple conserver les mêmes règles pour core et server (0 bugs RC) et les assouplir pour les environements graphiques)... Hum, si j'ai choisi Debian (et sa version stable c'est-à-dire Squeeze) pour mon ordinateur fixe, même dans le cadre de l'utilisation bureautique (entre autres...), ce n'est pas par hasard ! Par conséquent, je suis plutôt pour le maintien (de manière aussi rigoureuse que possible) de la règle qui veut qu'une nouvelle stable ne sera délivrée une fois qu'elle sera bien testée, debuggée et sécurisée (voir http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives.fr.html#s-frozen ) dans son intégralité et pas seulement les paquets pour les serveurs. :-| De plus, je ne suis pas particulièrement attaché à avoir une nouvelle version tous les six mois plutôt que tous les deux ans (ce qui, pour moi, me convient tout à fait :-) ). Cordialement et à bientôt, Stéphane. Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous tente ? Je crée ma boîte mail www.laposte.net -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/45395814.282376.1362865771904.JavaMail.www@wwinf8306
Re: syslog priority
Le samedi 9 mars 2013 18:16:14, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit : On Sat, Mar 09, 2013 at 05:29:24PM +0100, zul...@free.fr wrote: je ne rappelle plus la commande poiur definir la priorité ddes événements pour syslog. je ne comprends pas bien la question. S'il s'agit de configurer comment sont distribués les messages de log dans les fichiers de logs, ça dépend du système de log. Si c'est rsyslogd, voir les fichiers /etc/rsyslog.conf et autres. S'il s'agit de mettre un message de log dans syslog, c'est la commande logger qui utilise la fonction syslog(3) de la librarie C. Cordialement J'ai syslog qui me remplit trés rapidement /var/log/syslog. Je voudrai qu'il ne me loggue que ce qui est important. D'aprés Google, il faut modifier /etc/syslog.conf Ben j'ai pas ce fichier ... Et dans les fichiers de conf de rsyslog je ne vois pas ou determiner les niveaux d'importance des logs (crtiques, importants, debugs ...). --- Frédéric Zulian F1sxo
Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Dans son message du 09/03/13 à 22:33, Goldy a écrit : Il est certain qu'avec l’essor de plus en plus important des logiciels libres et de l'usage de linux en desktop, qu'il va devenir difficile de maintenir une distribution comme Debian tout en y ajoutant de plus en plus de paquets. Euh, ne serait-ce pas plutôt un problème de manque de développeurs ou de mainteneurs pour Debian ? :-| Cordialement et à bientôt, Stéphane. Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous tente ? Je crée ma boîte mail www.laposte.net -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/601180447.284077.1362870438925.JavaMail.www@wwinf8306
Re: Invitation à découvrir le Rotary-club de Paris-Nord le mardi 19 mars 2013
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 08:09:05 +0100 ais...@free.fr ais...@free.fr wrote: quelle arnaque je croyais que la pub et le spam était interdit sur cette liste ? Ils doivent être en perte de vitesse: je viens de voir une pub pour eux passer à la TV à l'instant, mauvais ça quand tu es une association semi-caritative… -- And do you think (fop that I am) that I could be the Scarlet Pumpernickel? -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130310024517.77f667e8@anubis.defcon1
SSMTP et comptes multiples
Bonjour, Est-ce que quelqu'un sait si ssmtp peut gérer deux serveurs mails pour deux comptes (utilisés avec mutt en l'occurence)? C'est à dire, en fonction du mail utilisé, il choisirait le bon domaine pour l'envoi avec les bonnes instructions qui se trouveraient dans /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf. Merci :) -- Sandro Cazzaniga Jabber: kha...@jabber.fr Twitter: @Kharec signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Solucion para tener los logs centralizados en la misma máquina
El Sat, 09 Mar 2013 04:45:00 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: Gracias por contestar. Al final voy a elegir enviar los logs que yo quiera al servidor remoto y que alli se haga un filtro por programa. http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_filter.html Me gustaria enviar todos los logs de aplicaciones php, java, otras apps al un servidor remoto y que alli me aplique la regla de que si es un log del apache de acceso me lo escriba en un fichero, si es de error en otro y si es de java, en otro. No se si podria hacerlo aplicando esa configuracion. No veo por qué no :-? Aquí tienes otra página de la wiki de Rsyslog donde hablan de los filtros con algunos ejemplos de uso: http://wiki.rsyslog.com/index.php/Filtering_by_program_name Rsyslog es una de esas aplicaciones que deberían tener algún front-end (de texto o con GUI) para poder gestionarlo ya que es bastante complejo de configurar: tú sabes lo que quieres hacer pero cuesta un riñón saber cómo decírselo y que te haga caso ;-P Recuerdo una vez que lo tuve que configurar para enviar los registros del router ADSL al syslog del sistema y que los dejara en un archivo separado. No fue fácil (y eso que lo hice basándome en un archivo de configuración de otro usuario), es decir, era poco intuitivo manejarlo pero supongo que todo es cuestión de ponerse, tener paciencia y mucho prueba-error. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/khfggi$f61$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Instalar driver para Atheros AR8162 (Era: debían inspiron 5420)
El 7 de marzo de 2013 12:50, Felix Perez felix.listadeb...@gmail.comescribió: El día 7 de marzo de 2013 12:16, Pablo Magé pma...@gmail.com escribió: El 7 de marzo de 2013 09:40, Felix Perez felix.listadeb...@gmail.com escribió: El día 6 de marzo de 2013 17:09, Pablo Magé pma...@gmail.com escribió: El 3 de marzo de 2013 09:50, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 02 Mar 2013 19:27:48 -0500, Pablo Magé escribió: Rectifico lo enviado: :-) El 2 de marzo de 2013 19:24, Pablo Magé pma...@gmail.com escribió: El 2 de marzo de 2013 13:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Pero cuando ejecuté el comando make, obtuve el siguiente mensaje de error: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build: No existe el fichero o el directorio. Alto.u make: *** [modules] Error 2 Que debo hacer para que el directorio build se genere? Asegúrate de que has instalado correctamente esos dos paquetes y prueba de nuevou. Ejecute nuevamente el procedimeiento según lo indicado: apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) Ahora sí. make make install Entiendo que no has tenido ningún problema para compilarlo. Pero al ejecutar el comando: modprobe alx Emite el siguiente mensaje de error: FATAL: Error inserting alx(/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/update/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/alx/alx.ko):Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter(see dmesg) Ya verifique que alx.ko existe. Que podrá ser ahora? Revisa el dmesg como te indica, pero ese mensaje parece indicar una incompatibilidad entre el módulo compilado y el kernel actual aunque el paquete compat-drivers parece tener soporte para kernels antiguos. Quizá es que te saltaste el paso de descarga de módulos (make unload) tal y como indican en la documentación: https://backports.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Documentation/compat-drivers#Unloading_your_old_distribution_drivers Hola lista Ejecute nuevamente los comandos indicados anteriormente incluido el comando: make unload Y vuelve a generar el mismo mensaje de error FATAL error: etc Por ahora voy a dejar este problema ahí para esperar si en la nueva versión de debian ya se incluye el controlador de tarjeta atheros ar8162. He instalado la distro ubuntu 12.10 que incluyen los controladores más actualizados y me reconoce al tarjeta de red, ahora tengo instalado en mi equipo win 7 , win 8 y ubuntu 12.10. Gracias por la ayuda prestada para instalar debian 6 en un portátil dell inspiron 5420. Voy a esperar hasta junio para volver a tratar de instalar Debian. Nuevamente gracias. Si instalaste Ubuntu 12.10, ¿porqué no instalaste una testing? Para ser sincero no contemple esa opción, alguien me comentó sobre la adaptadores actualizados que traia ubuntu 12.10, lo probé y trabajo, y por cuestiones de tiempo tome esta opción temporal, pues esta es mi máquina de trabajo y ya llevaba varios días sin poder resolver el problema al instalarle debian 6. Lo que se me sugiere es que pruebe con Debian 7? Si, no le temas a lo de testing (wheezy), es más, mucho de ubuntu esta basado en testing y las las LTS estan basadas en estable. Solucionado: Comparto los pasos que seguí para poder instalar el controlador para una Atheros AR8162 1. Descargue el Debian-testing amd64 para mi caso (tengo un portátil DELL Inspiron 5420) kernel versión 3.2.35-2 2. Mi equipo tiene instalado win 7 y win 8. Desde win 8 deje una partición libre para instalar Debian 3. Para instalar Debian realice la siguiente partición /dev/sda6 /bootext2 -- activa /dev/sda7 /swapext4 /dev/sda6 /ext4 Seguí las instrucciones que se indican en este sitio, pero adaptadas para Debian: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/11/05/dual-boot-windows-8-and-ubuntu-12-10-on-uefi-hardware/2/ 4. Durante la instalación de Debian se indica que el firmware iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode o iwlwifi-2030-5.ucode se requiere para instalar la red inalámbrica. Dado que no se tenia dicho firmware en el momento se instaló Debian sin red. 5. Desde linux wireless( http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi?highlight=%28iwlwifi%29) descargue el archivo *iwlwifi*-2030-ucode-18.168.6.1.tgz http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=iwlwifi-2030-ucode-18.168.6.1.tgz, el cual contiene a iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode 6. Mediante una memoria USB, copie el contenido del archivo tgz a /lib/firmware, se reinicia y listo trabajó mi conexión inalámbrica. Gracias por los aportes recibidos para lograr la solución de este problema. -- usuario linux #274354 normas de la lista: http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista como hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://www.sindominio.net/ayuda/preguntas-inteligentes.html -- To
Re: create chroot for armhf - creating tty fails
On 2013-03-09 01:10 +0100, Sladjan Ri wrote: Hi, I want to create an image for a Nexus7 Android device. I am following this wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap#Generating_cross_images_as_root_user and this command does not work: chroot /armelfs_debian sh -c cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV ttyS0 Instead it says: /bin/sh: 1: ./MAKEDEV: not found Up to that point there were no errors, I have no idea, what I should do now. Install makedev in the chroot, or create the device file with mknod directly (mentioned later on the wiki page): mknod /armelfs_debian/dev/ttyS0 c 4 64 Is it even necessary? I mean could I just copy the install to the device at this point and setup apt there? Usually /dev is mounted as a devtmpfs these days, and the kernel automatically creates device nodes there, so you only need the /dev directory which can be empty. But I don't really know Android. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d2v9m0v9@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Installer not reading preseed.cfg
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:04 PM, keshav prabhakar kes...@hotmail.com wrote: Also 1483 seems like a very small preseed file. It is. # ls -l preseed_Debian-6.0.7.cfg -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1488 Mar 8 14:00 preseed_Debian-6.0.7.cfg # more preseed_Debian-6.0.7.cfg #d-i netcfg/dhcp_timeout string 60 #d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US #d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap select us #d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select us #d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth0 #d-i netcfg/get_nameservers string x.x.x.x #d-i netcfg/get_hostname string myhostname #d-i netcfg/get_domain string mydomain #d-i netcfg/get_hostname seen true #d-i netcfg/get_domain seen true #d-i netcfg/get_ipaddress string y.y.y.y #d-i netcfg/get_netmask string 255.x.x.x #d-i netcfg/get_gateway string z.z.z.z #d-i netcfg/confirm_static boolean true d-i netcfg/wireless_wep string #d-i mirror/country string US d-i mirror/protocol string http d-i mirror/http/hostname string 192.168.1.12 d-i mirror/http/directory string /Debian-6.0.7-amd64/debian/ d-i passwd/make-user boolean false d-i passwd/root-password password d-i passwd/root-password-again password d-i clock-setup/utc boolean true d-i time/zone string US/Eastern d-i clock-setup/ntp boolean true d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda d-i partman-auto/method string lvm d-i partman-lvm/device_remove_lvm boolean true d-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select home d-i base-installer/kernel/linux/initramfs-generators string initramfs-tools d-i base-installer/kernel/image string linux-image-2.6-486 d-i debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated boolean true d-i finish-install/keep-consoles boolean true d-i finish-install/reboot_in_progress note d-i mirror/country string manual and d-i mirror/suite string stable or d-i mirror/suite string squeeze or d-i mirror/codename string squeeze Looking at this again, there's at least one ...confirm_nooverwrite... missing. You'll need d-i partman-lvm/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true and possibly d-i partman/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true too. What does this preseed config install? A base install or a desktop install? If it's a desktop install, you'll only be able to log in to a console because you're not creating a non-root user. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SxiVrfFXU0G+1mUgeRRPRtkcEd=m2esnrzuj5morvz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Installer not reading preseed.cfg
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:04 PM, keshav prabhakar kes...@hotmail.com wrote: Also 1483 seems like a very small preseed file. It is. # ls -l preseed_Debian-6.0.7.cfg -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1488 Mar 8 14:00 preseed_Debian-6.0.7.cfg # more preseed_Debian-6.0.7.cfg #d-i netcfg/dhcp_timeout string 60 #d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US #d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap select us #d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select us #d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth0 #d-i netcfg/get_nameservers string x.x.x.x #d-i netcfg/get_hostname string myhostname #d-i netcfg/get_domain string mydomain #d-i netcfg/get_hostname seen true #d-i netcfg/get_domain seen true #d-i netcfg/get_ipaddress string y.y.y.y #d-i netcfg/get_netmask string 255.x.x.x #d-i netcfg/get_gateway string z.z.z.z #d-i netcfg/confirm_static boolean true d-i netcfg/wireless_wep string #d-i mirror/country string US d-i mirror/protocol string http d-i mirror/http/hostname string 192.168.1.12 d-i mirror/http/directory string /Debian-6.0.7-amd64/debian/ d-i passwd/make-user boolean false d-i passwd/root-password password d-i passwd/root-password-again password d-i clock-setup/utc boolean true d-i time/zone string US/Eastern d-i clock-setup/ntp boolean true d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda d-i partman-auto/method string lvm d-i partman-lvm/device_remove_lvm boolean true d-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select home d-i base-installer/kernel/linux/initramfs-generators string initramfs-tools d-i base-installer/kernel/image string linux-image-2.6-486 d-i debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated boolean true d-i finish-install/keep-consoles boolean true d-i finish-install/reboot_in_progress note d-i mirror/country string manual and d-i mirror/suite string stable or d-i mirror/suite string squeeze or d-i mirror/codename string squeeze Looking at this again, there's at least one ...confirm_nooverwrite... missing. You'll need d-i partman-lvm/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true and possibly d-i partman/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true too. What does this preseed config install? A base install or a desktop install? If it's a desktop install, you'll only be able to log in to a console because you're not creating a non-root user. I was curious so I did two installs to answer my questions above. I don't have a repository or a pxe server so I did them booted from a wheezy iso, and typing in the url and co stuff at the kernel line. Not specifying a task creates a desktop install (so I restricted the second test to the standard task for the sake of speed). For the first test, I added d-i partman/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true and d-i partman-lvm/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true but that wasn't enough to have an automatic install. For the second (successful) test, I added d-i partman/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true and d-i partman-lvm/confirm_nooverwrite boolean true as well d-i partman/choose_partition select finish. begin_preseed # preseeded by both of us at the cmdline d-i auto-install/enable boolean true d-i debconf/priority select critical d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth1 # preseeded by you at the cmdline d-i debian-installer/country string US d-i debian-installer/keymap string us d-i debian-installer/language string en d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap string us d-i netcfg/get_domain string h0665.int d-i netcfg/get_nameservers string 8.8.8.8 d-i netcfg/get_hostname string tom # your preseed file - rearranged so it's clearer to my eyes #d-i debconf/priority select critical # not needed for a regular install #d-i debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated boolean true #d-i debian-installer/country string US #d-i debian-installer/keymap string us #d-i debian-installer/language string en #d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US #d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap string us d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap string us # not needed for a static address #d-i netcfg/dhcp_timeout string 60 #d-i netcfg/confirm_static boolean true #d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth0 #d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth1 #d-i netcfg/get_domain string mydomain #d-i netcfg/get_hostname string myhostname #d-i netcfg/get_nameservers string 8.8.8.8 d-i netcfg/get_gateway string 192.168.1.1 d-i netcfg/get_ipaddress string 192.168.1.61 d-i netcfg/get_netmask string 255.255.255.0 # not needed #d-i netcfg/wireless_wep string # the problematic entry and its replacement # not needed for a cd install d-i mirror/country string US #d-i mirror/country string manual #d-i mirror/suite string stable # not needed for a cd install #d-i mirror/http/directory string /Debian-6.0.7-amd64/debian/ #d-i mirror/http/hostname string 192.168.1.12 #d-i mirror/protocol string
Re: gcalcli - commandline for google calendar
Tony. No, I hadn't set up dual-verification but I do now :) But I still cant log on to it, so I've written to the gcalcli mailing list and hope for a reply from them, crossed fingers! Sharon. On 9 March 2013 06:28, Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info wrote: On Sat, Mar 09, 2013 at 01:21:56AM -0500, Tony Baldwin wrote: On Fri, Mar 08, 2013 at 02:29:18AM +, Sharon Kimble wrote: I've just installed gcalcli and have sussed out?the?syntax, but am unable to contact my goggle calendar via the oauth interface. i have entered my user name and password into .gcalclirc and have proved that gcalcli is reading it, but its not connecting with my google calendar in the cloud. Can anyone help me to sort it out please, such that they both talk to each other? Sharon, did you generate an app-specific password in your google account settings? You may have to do that. The user:pass for your gmail is not the pair to authenticate for the calendar access. ./tony For the record, I DO use gcalcli, and I did generate an app-specific password. I don't have a .gcalclirc file, but have just scripted a number of things I use it for, such as #!/bin/bash # google cal agenda with gcalcli echo Enter event (MM/DD HH:MM sometext here) : read event gcalcli --user mygmailusern...@gmail.com --pw APPSPECIFICPASSWORDHERE quick $event exit or #!/bin/bash # google cal agenda with gcalcli if [ $1 ]; then gcalcli --user mygm...@gmail.com --pw APPSPECIFICPW calw 1 $1 else gcalcli --user mygm...@gmail.com --pw APPSECIFICPW calw fi exit works great. NOTE: I'm using it on Squeeze, not Wheezy. ./tony -- http://www.tonybaldwin.info artist, linguist, technologist 3F330C6E -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJROtaHAAoJEKzBa7M/MwxuFysIAKdwH6HL5hGyN9ivcju7tNg5 DagQjN8tCY3P3MRSySidMHN3RobuXGSZxVrasX7CyrIF6x5iiQSkpChLZvTN1zjQ v7vFnm5VVrxTn8+iDJmtOsIfIXuS1Olm/Iz1tRm7X8o4m9Ogi/4w7zUZA4Ro1h5l ucrnFnUiZa5fUq2RheKZQoDvJGtipGdEEQi51OU9H0Rf8qvThm3Y5S3dRnJkstHU JFMNp1dIpbN7+MXyuOYBa/YXoqCX74qk1CPY32SLbWyU3w6K+H0T9t0njIJFas2O W4z6N91p2gqyZ6winrg6oKr5SpxkE2/MJhDEeewBqIKFjokGcUWH5L0y61CUa+8= =HCKt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html efever = http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ efever = http://sharon04.livejournal.com/ Debian Wheezy, LXDE 2 LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Registered Linux user 334501
RE: Installer not reading preseed.cfg
oh wow! Frankly, this is the best, most detailed response I have ever gotten on any list so far. :) but seriously, I can't thank enough for your time and interest. really appreciate it.I didn't pay much attention to my preseed.cfg yet since I was still trying to figure mirror issue. Also, I haven't tried the 'd-i mirror/country string manual' part yet and can't wait to try..but unfortunately I have to go out now so won't be able to try this for the next couple of hours. I'll the post details as soon as I try. Many Thanks!
RE: Installer not reading preseed.cfg
Thanks for the pointer. I'll try this and let you all know how it goes.
Re: Installer not reading preseed.cfg
On Fri 08 Mar 2013 at 22:22:25 -0500, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 08 Mar 2013 at 19:04:41 -0600, keshav prabhakar wrote: netcfg/wireless_wep string#d-i mirror/country string USd-i The first post at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1601750 is your situation. The second post gives a solution which is discussed further at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/662931 The downside is it's for a different distribution. But you never know. When it comes to d-i and preseed, Debian and Ubuntu are the same, except for the version names and the installation of a basic system (Debian's is d-i tasksel/first multiselect system and Ubuntu's is d-i tasksel/first multiselect standard). I was being cautious :) and at the time hadn't looked at what the preseed recommendations for Mirror settings are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt Now I have I see d-i mirror/country string manual is mentioned. I've never tried it but I think that you can even use kickseed with Debian's d-i. I wasn't aware of it until it cropped up in the LP bug report. It appears to be an alternative to using preconfiguration files with d-i. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130309132033.GJ32477@desktop
Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)
On Fri 08 Mar 2013 at 23:19:06 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: But I am a pedantic sort and so must say that every message does have To continue with the pedantry :) and to return to the issue raised in this subthread, a CC is not a duplicate of a list mail. Put them side by side and the difference is obvious. One result of focussing on a single characteristic of a mail is that the suggested Procmail recipe would effectively delete most of the list mail, which might not be a desired outcome. Fortunately, Mutt users have the opportunity to take advantage of its ability to construct a custom Message-ID: header for a mail sent to debian-user. Like so: send-hook . 'unmy_hdr Message-ID:' send-hook 'debian-user@lists\.debian\.org' 'my_hdr Message-ID:`date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S`noccsple...@example.com' A mail with NoCcsPlease in its In-Reply-To or References headers can only have had the mailing list mail as its source. However, the CC will not contain a List-ID: header. This makes it possible to distinguish between a list mail and a CC. Procmail recipes based on these two conditions can now file list mail with certainty and, if desired, delete CCs. How this could be implemented in other MUAs depends on the capability of the mailer. It works nicely with Mutt because of the behind-the-scenes send-hook facility. Icedove and KMail can alter the portion of the Message-ID: header after the @, but whether this could be made automatic in the same way as Mutt I do not know. Header rewriting by an MTA may also be a possibility, but I know nothing about that either. It is reported that some mailers do not produce In-Reply-To: and References: headers when replying to a mail. Well, you can't win 'em all. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130309135613.GK32477@desktop
Re: Parcellite errors
On Sat 09 Mar 2013 at 09:23:37 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote: For quite a while now I have been getting this error in .xsession-errors log...somedays to the point where the log grows to 3 or 4 megs. (parcellite:2660): Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting selection from UTF8_STRING It seems to me I didnt see this until an upgrade of Parcellite a few months ago. Any idea on what is causing this or how to get rid of it ? While I cannot help you with either of your questions I do have some suggestions on actions you can take. 1. Try to determine the circumstances under which you get the warning message. 2. Download the Wheezy version of Parcellite (I'm assuming you are using Sid). It looks though it should be installable with dpkg-i package. Check if is warning-free. 3. Report to upstream if there is no other report there. 4. Submit a bug report to the BTS tagging it with a reference to your upstream report. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130309175020.GL32477@desktop
Re: Parcellite errors
On 03/09/2013 12:50 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 09 Mar 2013 at 09:23:37 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote: For quite a while now I have been getting this error in .xsession-errors log...somedays to the point where the log grows to 3 or 4 megs. (parcellite:2660): Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting selection from UTF8_STRING It seems to me I didnt see this until an upgrade of Parcellite a few months ago. Any idea on what is causing this or how to get rid of it ? While I cannot help you with either of your questions I do have some suggestions on actions you can take. 1. Try to determine the circumstances under which you get the warning message. 2. Download the Wheezy version of Parcellite (I'm assuming you are using Sid). It looks though it should be installable with dpkg-i package. Check if is warning-free. 3. Report to upstream if there is no other report there. 4. Submit a bug report to the BTS tagging it with a reference to your upstream report. Sounds like a plan :) So far I have not been able to determine what triggers the error(s). But I will keep a close watch on the log. Later I'll try the earlier version. Thanks -- Cheers Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b7ba2@videotron.ca
Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install
Current standard practice optimizers AWAY from my goal.
My old 2 Mhz Z80 32 kByte system could do more than 90% of
what I actually use my computer for.
Instead Debian follows in the dainty footsteps of corporate
behemoths such as Microsoft, Apple, and Canonical by loading
everything {including a variety of kitchen sinks} into a
base install.
There are some, who having finished reading this article,
might ask Why not use ...(DamnSmallLinux, Slackware,
TinyCore, etc, etc.)?
Because I wish to conveniently cooperate with some specific
people who use Debian based distros. Also I know all the
software I might currently wish to use is already in Debian
repositories. And I like apt and synaptic ;)
I have several specific environments in mind.
Presumed configuration
at least 486 class CPU (if I run into a 386 I'll treat as
special case)
1 GB RAM
VGA display
Serial/PS2/USB mice depend ending on individual machine
CD drive - may not be bootable
keyboard
All target machines currently use Win95 or later.
What the typical user will have at install time.
Computer with keyboard, display, and no mouse. (explicitly
no GUI mode installer)
Installation iso on a CD or flash drive as desired. (
target iso size is ~100MB, smaller if possible)
Debian repository on a mass storage device. (I
currently use the 8 DVD set for my experiments)
(am experimenting with copy on 64GB flash)
Collection of preseed.cfg files.
(many of target audience not expert but desire flexibility)
The common functionality I see available after a base install
kernel, generic display driver, generic mouse driver, apt,
apt-offline, ability to read multiple CD repository
What is intentionally not installed at this point is any
network connectivity, any display manager or desktop
environment, or just about any application software. What
I've not decide is what shell or scripting framework should
be installed by default.
This outlines my preliminary thoughts.
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Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 11:05:37 -0800 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: You can not configure the network, but network support will still be there. I guess you could blacklist all the network card kernel drivers. Don't disable the core network stack that allows the loopback to function, though, that might cause something to blow up. Sounds like a lot of work for no reason though. The etch installer, if not invoked in expert mode and not finding a DHCP server, would install lo only, and no Ethernet networking. I don't know if the current installers do this, as I have had a DHCP server for quite a while now. It wasn't a bug: I reported it as a bug and was rather tersely informed that it was a feature. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130309192842.59854...@jretrading.com
A question about how to ask a question
Hi list, My question is about... how to best ask a question! That is because I have the feeling I am not asking it in the best possible way. I have a problem with my sound setup. I tried many different things, to no avail, so I thought I would ask for help on an appropriate mailing list. I have done my best to follow the usual advices: explain the problem clearly, give details about your setup, say what you tried and why it does not work, and so on. Yet, I asked the question on alsa-user mailing list (see http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/37173) and later on this list (see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/02/msg00856.html), and got no answer. Let me make it clear: I do not expect that every single question will receive a complete and satisfactory answer. I know this is open source, people answer if they want to and have time. I do not blame anybody for not answering me. But still, I am a bit surprised that not a single reader on these two lists had a single idea to help me, get me somehow on the path, perhaps simply by suggesting something I could try or some documentation I could read. Therefore, I am wondering if my question is perhaps somehow incorrectly phrased, or incomplete? So, the object of this very post is not to ask the question about my sound setup again, but rather to ask your opinion about why I did not get any answer, and if I could do something (like phrasing it differently, or adding or removing details) to improve my chances to get an answer. Or perhaps I should ask the question on a different mailing-list? The original question follows. Thanks. Olivier Original question: Hi list, My graphic card is connected through HDMI to my screen. I get no sound, and no error messages: sounds seem to play correctly, according to software, but I hear none. As if something was muted, though I checked alsamixer ten times and activated everything I could. I use a debian wheezy up to date. On the same computer, but a different OS (Ubuntu 10.04), sound works. I may have changed something to make it work, but I don’t remember. From aplay -L, AFAIU, alsa recognises three cards, namely default (plays to pulseaudio), some ATI SB card and my Radeon card that I want to make work. When I play to the Radeon card (using aplay -vv -D plug:'hdmi:CARD=Generic,DEV=0') I hear no sound, though everything seems to work. When I play to the other sound card (sysdefault:CARD=SB), connected to analog headphones, it works. When I play to the default card, I can see through pavucontrol that pulse audio receives sound, but I can hear nothing. alsa-info is at http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=10570aee7a643a6a7a6e0ac2f44918d834133312 . Below, some supplementary details. Any idea what I could try? Or where I could look for differences which may explain why it works on Ubuntu and not on Debian? (supplementary technical details snipped) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513b92d3.8080...@gmail.com
Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install
Richard Owlett wrote:
Current standard practice optimizers AWAY from my goal.
My old 2 Mhz Z80 32 kByte system could do more than 90% of what I
actually use my computer for.
Instead Debian follows in the dainty footsteps of corporate
behemoths such as Microsoft, Apple, and Canonical by loading
everything {including a variety of kitchen sinks} into a base
install.
Negative. I am still using a Pentium 133MHz machine with 112M of ram
and a 10G disk. (The original 1G disk died recently.) All running
Debian just fine.
It seems to me that based upon your sentiment above that you would be
most happy with a small machine such as a Raspberry Pi. It is a nice
small machine (with some compromises to make it possible) and would
suit your needs admirably. Interestingly enough for this discussion
the recommended software base for it is based upon Debian Wheezy. If
Debian was hostile to small systems then it would not have become the
preferred base for it.
There are some, who having finished reading this article, might ask
Why not use ...(DamnSmallLinux, Slackware, TinyCore, etc, etc.)?
Because I wish to conveniently cooperate with some specific people
who use Debian based distros. Also I know all the software I might
currently wish to use is already in Debian repositories. And I like
apt and synaptic ;)
No. I am using Debian on very small systems and find it excellent for
that purpose. This is the debian-user list and so I expect a natural
bias toward it. I expect people on those other lists to recommend
those other tools. It's natural.
I have several specific environments in mind.
Presumed configuration
at least 486 class CPU (if I run into a 386 I'll treat as special
case)
Debian is still good to go. Even if you are running one of many other
very popular architectures such as ARM or AMD64. Fortunately Debian
does not require a 486 to install as you would want. Or most of my
machines would be left out.
1 GB RAM
Assuming 1G of ram is too much. Many of my systems do not have 1G of
ram. That would prevent being able to use fun machines like the
Raspberry Pi with either 256M or 512M. I think the least amount of
ram needed to install Debian is 64M these days but I haven't tested
that in a while. My lowest still running machine is 112M. (It is the
least amount of watts for the task. Until I can replace it with a 2W
Raspberry Pi.)
VGA display
The Linux KMS bitmapped display annoys me. If it has a hardware
character generator then I would like the option to keep using it even
if it won't produce unknown-to-it-unicode characters.
Serial/PS2/USB mice depend ending on individual machine
A mouse should not be required to install. Thankfully it is not. A
mouse should be an option not a requirement. My toaster controller
does not need a mouse.
CD drive - may not be bootable
Some bootable media. Might not be a cdrom. Older machines tend to
lack flexible boot options. This is a system firmware BIOS problem
and not an operating system issue. The OS can't turn an unfortunate
machine's hardware into something it isn't. If an old machine needs a
firmware upgrade to support boot media then it needs a firmware upgrade.
In the worst case I have had to remove the disk, Put it in a different
machine and install upon it there, then replace the disk back into the
target system.
keyboard
I have machines without keyboards. Most of my machines are networked
and headless. Also for many machines the serial port works fine.
All target machines currently use Win95 or later.
Uhm... No. Let's not require any non-free parts such as that. Just
trying to locate Win95 bits today would be a challenge for most of us.
FreeDOS would be much more reasonable if you are going that route.
What the typical user will have at install time.
Computer with keyboard, display, and no mouse. (explicitly no GUI
mode installer)
Currently well supported by Debian. (The newest installer will
default to a graphical install. But you can still select the text
mode installer.)
Installation iso on a CD or flash drive as desired. ( target iso
size is ~100MB, smaller if possible)
AFAIK Debian CD#1 is the smallest fully standalone install supported.
But at the time that you are committed to booting from cdrom then
might as well commit to a fully populated cdrom. In for a penny, in
for a pound. I am sure there are contributed installation media that
are smaller and standalone. Anyone could put in the effort to create one.
Debian repository on a mass storage device. (I currently use
the 8 DVD set for my experiments)
Sure. But a DVD would be pushing the limits of advanced storage
technology on many of the older machines that don't have DVD drives. :-)
(am experimenting with copy on 64GB flash)
Collection of preseed.cfg files. (many of target audience not
expert but desire flexibility)
Sould work.
The common functionality I see available after a base install
Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install
On Sat 09 Mar 2013 at 12:17:38 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: [Snippety snip] What is intentionally not installed at this point is any network connectivity, any display manager or desktop environment, or just about any application software. What I've not decide is what shell or scripting framework should be installed by default. This outlines my preliminary thoughts. I'll respond to what is in the subject line. Install debian in expert mode. Choose not to configure the network. That is one of your requirements. It is dead easy to achieve. Untick all options when you are asked which type of system you want. What you get is about as minimal as it gets with Debian. You can try to purge what you think is undesirable once you have booted into the new system. You might manage to get rid of aptitude and one or two other packages but what you have is the ideal - a minimal Debian system. You get to decide what shell or scripting framework you want *after* the install. There is nothing you can do about that during the install. So do not stipulate conditions which are impossible to fulfil. All your aims are achievable. Grasp the bull by the horns (or whatever you do in your part of the world) and get on with it. Isn't Debian brilliant? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130309205217.GM32477@desktop
I think D-I is recommending unnecessary non-free firmware, where do I take this?
I've been using Debian for a long time on and off, and I've been using it as my primary (and only) OS for about a year now on a relatively new computer. While I've had issues, they've never been anything that couldn't be fixed by doing a little reading and learning. I'm no expert, but I think I've found something that I should file as a bug report somewhere, but I don't know whether it really qualifies or what the protocol for that is. I have some beef with the Debian Installer. This problem existed when I installed my current system using the Squeeze D-I back in April 2012, and it exists in the current RC1 D-I for Wheezy. The problem is that it recommends non-free firmware that is not needed for networking functionality. I was prompted at installation for needed firmware; it asked me to provide rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw on an external USB or floppy or whatnot. At the time I thought it was necessary for installation, so I got the non-free firmware-realtek package, which contains the file in question, and loaded it up on a USB during installation. I selected that yes I did have it, and while I don't fully remember the process that I went through last April, I wound up with firmware-realtek installed. Today I installed Wheezy with the RC1 D-I on a spare partition with the intention of upgrading to sid, and during installation I decided to just select No when presented with do you have this firmware. Installation worked fine... and so did networking. When the kernel changed and the initramfs was updated, I got a slew of warnings about POSSIBLE missing firmware (below), but I still don't seem to need the firmware. Here is my lspci |grep Eth output: $ lspci |grep Eth 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06) Here are the warnings I get with update-initramfs: # update-initramfs -u update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-1.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 What's the deal? I think that there are a number of Realtek cards that might need non-free firmware, but it doesn't seem that mine is one of them. I've safely uninstalled the firmware-realtek package and rebooted with no ill effects on my current wheezy system. I'm not sure what the next step here is, or whether this is somehow *supposed* to be what the D-I is doing and I'm mistaken somehow. All questions and advice are welcome. -- Aubrey There are two types of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: I think D-I is recommending unnecessary non-free firmware, where do I take this?
I feel embarrassed, but I guess I didn't look hard enough. This exact case already exists as a bug for debian-installer (severity: wishlist). http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684968 Sorry about that. It doesn't look like anything will be done about this, since the debian-installer is simply responding to the kernel's request for firmware. I'll look more into this. -- Aubrey There are two types of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: Installer not reading preseed.cfg
d-i mirror/country string manual d-i mirror/suite string stable yes, those two lines did the magic! Thanks.It started reading from the local server but...now, it's stopping next at this error: No root file systemNo root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu. I googled around and tried replacing 'lvm' with regular: #d-i partman-auto/method string lvmd-i partman-auto/method string regular (and commenting out the related lvm lines) and tried replacing 'home' with 'atomic' as well: #d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select homed-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select atomic no luck so far. will look into the details in the morning.
Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install
Bob Proulx wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Installation iso on a CD or flash drive as desired. ( target iso size is ~100MB, smaller if possible) AFAIK Debian CD#1 is the smallest fully standalone install supported. But at the time that you are committed to booting from cdrom then might as well commit to a fully populated cdrom. In for a penny, in for a pound. I am sure there are contributed installation media that are smaller and standalone. Anyone could put in the effort to create one. Tom H poked me that the netinst image can be used without a network. It is 168M and much smaller than the full CD#1. I just did an install test using it in Expert mode and was able to verify that it is indeed possible to use the smaller netinst image on a system without a network. Using Expert mode and manual selections it was possible to install and avoid seeing any errors. At this point I can only assume that it is possible to use netinst image with the appropriate preseeds for an automated installation. I haven't tried it. Seems like it should work okay. Thanks Tom for the prodding! :-) What is intentionally not installed at this point is any network connectivity, You could add iface eth0 inet manual to the /etc/network/interfaces file after install as a local customization. I don't really see the point though. If you don't want networking then don't attach a network cable to the system. My test installation without any network did not need any special configuration at this point to operate without a network. The resulting small installation consumed 356M of disk space with the default installation. There are opportunities to remove packages to make this even smaller. But that isn't bad for a general default. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
choosing a web browser
I need a sane webbrowser. Firstly, I'm not interested in rolling releases. In my experience, Firefox 3.6 was the pinnacle in browsers, in the days when Epiphany was also a fine option. Things appear to have gone downhill bigtime since then, as far as I can tell. Seeking something that is 100% libre, and supported in Debian Wheezy, to install and admin/maintain for Debian deployments which I do occasionally for friends and for a human rights association that I volunteer at (upmart.org). I have been unable to deploy anything for six months (besides time constraints, I am struggling with finding a modern desktop, voip client etc - but I don't want to hijack my own thread here...) What I've tried: * Iceweasel 10 LTS used for 6 months - I have been running wheezy/testing for 6 months, and about two weeks ago switched to sid/unstable - I can put up with various problems for an extended period of time, but I wish to reach deployability for others not technically versed as I am. Problems: every now and then, firefox causes a core or two to hit 100% for a couple seconds, causing the fan to spin up (and this, with no pages loading, animations stopped, no java, no javascript etc, only scrolling up and down a single tab/page - eg gmail static (my rural link too slow for javascript)) - this looks like a GC (garbage collection) type artifact, and is so obtrusive that I've decided it's a deal breaker. The following browsers I've been trying over the last day: * Midori (using now) Not showing the tabs Private browsing option doesn't remember settings (at least, I've tested proxy setting); tabs do not show at all - I've tried each binary Preferences setting for always display tabs, then restarting midori, but no joy. btw, midori -p does show it's tabs. Thankfully, CTRL-PgUp/PgDown does cycle amongst tabs, but not seeing them is a deal breaker. * Netsurf Has wacko keybindings: CTRL-PgUp/Down does not change tabs; CTRL-RightArrow/LeftArrow does change tabs (so when editing in a field eg writing an email, I cannot jump a word at a time, nor select a word at a time!); tab key does not include going from address bar to search bar/field; keyboard scrolling of page does not work well/ sometimes I can't seem to keyboard scroll at all; I had difficulty copying an email address off a page (no right click menu option for this). This keyboard firetruckery is a deal breaker. * Epiphany Epiphany. How I loved epiphany back in the days of Gnome 2 and Firefox 3.5, when I took a walk on the wild side of Ubuntu, and settled in on Ubuntu 8.04. Firefox 3.6 managed to provide enough reasons use it predominantly. Back to the present: Epiphany is not showing its toolbar icons; it has a whole menu bar with a single Web menu. There's a different menu behind one of the faceless icons on the icon bar. * Luakit I installed this, started it up twice, and would love to learn it (I use vim for most of my editing). Unfortunately, this browser demands learning its ways, so it is not suitable for general deployment. As technically gluttonous as I'd like to be in satisfying my own power-user needs, there are other higher priorities in my life - facilitating community actions and community helpers/ volunteers, to do their good work in a relatively secure environment. This means I must be eating the dog food I deploy. For me to get to deployment, in this so modern era of amazing omg integrated unified cross-device ponies and So, are you ready for BYOD? desktops ... well, it hasn't been possible for me in the last year. This is incredibly frustrating; battling default samba configurations is one thing, but I can't even find a deployable browser, consistent XP-style UI experience etc. Sorry, sorry, I'm ranting again! I promise I'll keep it to browsers. There are plenty of other threads we _could_ create. TIA, Zenaan PS: For those who, like me, didn't know what BYOD meant before yesterday: Bring Your Own Device. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnssvq8e+g6pbipmf_oz_-hopwoumdnjqu-+gre6wydd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A question about how to ask a question
On 3/10/13, Olivier Cailloux olivier.caill...@gmail.com wrote: My question is about... how to best ask a question! That is because I ... Original question: Hi list, My graphic card is connected through HDMI to my screen. I get no sound, * You have not said where your speakers are. There is an implication that the speakers are in your monitor, but this is not clear. * I reader, cannot be sure if your problem is simply a sound problem, or a sound-through-hdmi problem. I don't have a hdmi connection I could even test (I use a laptop with a displayport and vga port). So (artificial example only) I don't want to step in ... I could well make a useless suggestion or get caught by your lack of clarity/assumption, or you could be more technically competant, and since you're talking hdmi, you already know more than I do... example only. * Short version: you did not specify whether you are trying to get sound to go through your HDMI cable. (I just have a line out on my laptop which I use, for example.) and no error messages: * Here, you do not say where you looked for error messages. Did you check syslog, did you check the docs for the sound player you are using to find out if it logs errors to some file somewhere? * You see, when you say [I got] no error messages it's still anybody's guess as how competant you are, or if you have truly made an effort yourself, or not. sounds seem to play correctly, according to software, but I hear none. * Did you check your cable is plugged in? You did not say whether you checked basic things. As if something was muted, though I checked alsamixer ten times and activated everything I could. * You are expressing frustration here. Many people do this (see my most recent email an hour or so ago for an example), but it's not useful. I checked ten times could easily be an exaggeration - implying you might be an emotional hot potato. I use a debian wheezy up to date. On the same computer, but a different OS (Ubuntu 10.04), sound works. * This ought to be useful information - but mostly for you to test. You haven't said if you used a dual-boot or a live-cd of Ubuntu. I am not technical enough to tell you what files to compare. But I've heard of asound.rc or maybe it is asoundrc (don't remember sorry), so you could hunt google for that, and Ubuntu/Debian, and compare the files between the two OSs. But you have NOT taken advantage of this to do more research yourself yet. * When you have an apparent known pathway for helping yourself, and you have not taken it, that should be taken by you first. * If you do not know what to look for, and are unwilling to google it, you could ask the question, eg Can someone please advise which files I can compare, between the Ubuntu and Debian, so I can find out why my Debian sound does not work? I may have changed something to make it work, but I don’t remember. * This is a key datapoint for those who might be inclined to help you. If you don't remember, you need to go back and test it. * In other words, you appear to be being lazy, and instead of doing the tests that you know you can and should do, you are hoping for a quick-easy answer from someone else. It's fine to want that, but if you don't get it, you need to go and do more work. * So, there's a great next step for you - get your Ubuntu installation working again, and that pathway should remind you of whether you did anything to make it work, or not, and then report back. That way you are doing what you can, and not demonstrating laziness (you may not mean to be lazy, but that's what you seem to be saying...). From aplay -L, AFAIU, alsa recognises three cards, namely default (plays to pulseaudio), some ATI SB card and my Radeon card that I want to make work. When I play to the Radeon card (using aplay -vv -D plug:'hdmi:CARD=Generic,DEV=0') I hear no sound, though everything seems to work. * Again, you had it working on Ubuntu, so go and test this same command on your Ubuntu installation. Freedom does not mean free of effort. When I play to the other sound card (sysdefault:CARD=SB), connected to analog headphones, it works. When I play to the default card, I can see through pavucontrol that pulse audio receives sound, but I can hear nothing. * This sounds to me like you might have a pulseaudio configuration problem - seems obvious, so what have you tested along these lines. Perhaps you didn't think to check? Or perhaps you simply didn't provide that information in your email? HTH Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSRGEHw+Up2sx3wpxk5oz4L=xknw-qykyhc6p2ufqke...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A question about how to ask a question
Le Sat, 09 Mar 2013 20:51:47 +0100, Olivier Cailloux olivier.caill...@gmail.com a écrit : [Y R U NOT ANSWERING ME] Hey Olivier, I would personnally bet on badluck. As far as I can see, your question is well asked, maybe a bit too long, but who cares ? Because it's a question about debian, I'll try to help you for your sound problem. Sometimes, your windows manager may behave uncorrectly, and override what you are doing in command-line. My advice is quite primitive, but maybe... Did you check your WM audio settings ? Did you install the correct (and maybe nonfree) drivers for your video card ? Cheers, -- PEB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130310032015.2bc8b5dc@linkki
Re: choosing a web browser
Update: * Google Chromium This does not appear (in an hour of usage) to have the CPU-spikes problem of iceweasel/firefox. Performance is fine on my modern laptop. Tabs work; CTRL-PgUp/Dn works. Has private browsing mode. I'm hoping proxy settings are remembered. Only downer is: does not integrate with standard (XFCE) style desktop/windows theme - ie Windows XP style windows theme. Chromium seems rather stuck on its own theme. So far, chromium appears to be the least inconvenient option, and I guess we can even call it mainstream.. When the next Firefox/Iceweasel ESR/LTS release is made, I may test that out too... but it looks like v10 is the security-supported option for Wheezy. Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnssdwx4ezwkxafxhkvatoeaso0uitudsymwg7izpf1w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: choosing a web browser
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Update: * Google Chromium This does not appear (in an hour of usage) to have the CPU-spikes problem of iceweasel/firefox. Performance is fine on my modern laptop. Tabs work; CTRL-PgUp/Dn works. Has private browsing mode. I'm hoping proxy settings are remembered. Only downer is: does not integrate with standard (XFCE) style desktop/windows theme - ie Windows XP style windows theme. Chromium seems rather stuck on its own theme. If you right-click on its top bar you should see an option to use system title bar and borders. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAJVvKsM94QxFm-k9R54S4fvsis=zj7zps+vmuxezw-sq1ju...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)
On 3/10/13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 08 Mar 2013 at 23:19:06 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: But I am a pedantic sort and so must say that every message does have To continue with the pedantry :) and to return to the issue raised in this subthread, a CC is not a duplicate of a list mail. Put them side by .. Fortunately, Mutt users have the opportunity to take advantage of its ability to construct a custom Message-ID: header for a mail sent to debian-user. Like so: send-hook . 'unmy_hdr Message-ID:' send-hook 'debian-user@lists\.debian\.org' 'my_hdr Message-ID:`date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S`noccsple...@example.com' A mail with NoCcsPlease in its In-Reply-To or References headers can only have had the mailing list mail as its source. However, the CC will not contain a List-ID: header. This makes it possible to distinguish between a list mail and a CC. Procmail recipes based on these two conditions can now file list mail with certainty and, if desired, delete CCs. Cool :) Thanks for sharing. Appreciated. How this could be implemented in other MUAs depends on the capability of the mailer. It works nicely with Mutt because of the behind-the-scenes send-hook facility. Icedove and KMail can alter the portion of the Message-ID: header after the @, but whether this could be made automatic in the same way as Mutt I do not know. Header rewriting by an MTA may also be a possibility, but I know nothing about that either. It is reported that some mailers do not produce In-Reply-To: and References: headers when replying to a mail. Well, you can't win 'em all. Would it be possible to also pipe outgoing mail through procmail or similar, on its way to the MTA/SMTP server? cheers zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnssmr+1nerqm0_w7h1pnw6mt2htlnmrh8qer6rtkqk3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: choosing a web browser
On 3/10/13, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Update: * Google Chromium .. Only downer is: does not integrate with standard (XFCE) style desktop/windows theme - ie Windows XP style windows theme. Chromium seems rather stuck on its own theme. If you right-click on its top bar you should see an option to use system title bar and borders. Thank you. Also found remove bookmarks toolbar, and we're getting close enough. There are a lot of nice plug ins for iceweasel/firefox, but as said, the cpu spiking became a deal breaker (laptop fan spinning up as a result, cpu bouncing). Thanks again Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSRA25wp9uxY6Rp45YiBBdUvYMzK0=sUd80B=adgi-o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)
Zenaan Harkness wrote: Brian wrote: Fortunately, Mutt users have the opportunity to take advantage of its ability to construct a custom Message-ID: header for a mail sent to debian-user. Like so: send-hook . 'unmy_hdr Message-ID:' send-hook 'debian-user@lists\.debian\.org' 'my_hdr Message-ID:`date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S`noccsple...@example.com' A mail with NoCcsPlease in its In-Reply-To or References headers can only have had the mailing list mail as its source. However, the CC will not contain a List-ID: header. This makes it possible to distinguish between a list mail and a CC. Procmail recipes based on these two conditions can now file list mail with certainty and, if desired, delete CCs. Cool :) Thanks for sharing. Appreciated. +1. I also think that is pretty cool. Since Message-Id is one of the few that would be passed through. However many clients do not do this. I have many problem friends who reply with bad MTAs that break threads. Pretty cool just the same though. Would it be possible to also pipe outgoing mail through procmail or similar, on its way to the MTA/SMTP server? Mutt has the $sendmail variable. The manual has a section Change Settings Based Upon Message Recipients that gives this teaser. send2-hook is executed after send-hook, and can, e.g., be used to set parameters such as the $sendmail variable depending on the message's sender address. Which implies to me (although I have not tried it) that you could pipe messages for particular addresses through whatever filter you wanted and could automatically add headers or track outbound messages. As long as you consistently used mutt to do the sending. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: choosing a web browser
the seamonkey package may be what you're looking for. It combines firefox with thunderbird in a single package and uses less system resources. It also doesn't update constantly either. --- jude jdash...@shellworld.net Microsoft, windows is accessible. why do blind people need screen readers? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.bsf.2.01.1303100342420.67...@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg
