Re: Lire un fichier.avi sous Firefox

2013-03-17 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
Le Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:25:31 +0100,
andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

 On Saturday 16 March 2013 21:14:18 honeyshell wrote:
  en premier mets à jour ton système :
  sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get -y upgrade  sudo apt-get -y
  dist-upgrade
  tu as le temps de prendre une bonne bière ;)
  Maintenant ton système peut peut être retrouver les paquets
  manquant avec : sudo apt-get install -f
  si l'erreur persiste voici la liste des différents codecs que
  j'installe dont gstreamer :
  sudo apt-get install libmpeg3-1 libdvdread4 vlc libxvidcore4
  libmp4v2-2 gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg ffmpeg
 
 Merci, ainsi qu'a ceux qui m'ont aidé.
 Pour le apt-get -y dist-upgrade, je vais attendre sagement la sortie
 officielle de wheezy.
 Ma Squeeze se porte très bien ainsi que la vidéo sauf un peu VLC,
 mais pas grave, il y a d'autres lecteurs.'
 
 André

Bonjour,

serait il possible de donner le fichier sources.list afin de voir
réellement pour quelles raisons vlc et gstreamer ne sont pas
au complet du tout ...

slt
bernard

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Re: bios a reparer avec debian ?

2013-03-17 Thread ptilou
Bonjour,

Le mercredi 13 mars 2013 21:20:02 UTC+1, honeyshell a écrit :
 Tu peux tester le livecd http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd tu auras tous les 
 outils pour réparer ou flasher le bios.
 bon courage à toi ;)

J'ai récupéré une machine a la casse a ordinateur, elle boot sous debian 
squezze, mais ce qui m'a émerveillé, c'est la carte d'acquisition video une 
asus tuner tv europa II, dont un lspci ne donne aucune info, au lieu de faire 
un modprobe avec le driver qui va bien, je me suis lance dans la compil du 
noyau, qui votre d'ailleurs, mais j'ai vu que l'on peut accéder ou/et modifier 
le bios, certain modules sont expérimentale, quelqu'un a teste ?

Merci

Ptilou

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-17 Thread Mourad Jaber

Bonjour,

Question est motivée par le constat suivant :
Aujourd'hui, la branche experimental joue le rôle de l'unstable dans un cas hors 
freezing et donc une partie des developpeur/mainteneur sont focalisés sur les nouveaux 
programmes plutôt que sur les versions en cours de stabilisation...


Par ailleurs, la pertinence de conserver des vieux navigateurs internet (le choix du 10.0 
alors que le 16.0ESR est sorti !) ou bien de vieilles suites bureautiques est extrêmement 
critiquable...


D'où ma réflexion sur un coeur à la débian stabilisé jusqu'à 0 bug RC et le reste de la 
distribution en rolling release puisque même hors période de freeze ça fonctionne plutôt 
bien...


A déterminer la limite de ce coeur (outils, noyaux, service, version de LSB...).

Les avantages :
 - Avoir une distribution stable pour les serveurs et la production en général,
 - Avoir une distribution à jour pour les usage domestiques (Desktop, 
mobile...)
 - Pourvoir faire de cycles de freeze plus court (moins de paquets à stabiliser), plus 
cohérents et éventuellement plus rapprochés...


Limites
 - Quid de ce qui est dans le coeur et ce qui ne l'est pas,
 - Une distribution à plusieurs vitesse qui nécessite d'avoir en permanence un mélange 
stable/rolling release et donc plus de travail pour l'équipe securité...


Mes 2cents

Mourad


Le 09/03/2013 11:23, Mourad Jaber a écrit :

Bonjour,

C'est une question qui me taraude depuis quelques temps déjà...
Ne serions-nous pas arrivé à la limite du process de livraison des version stable de 
Debian ?


Nous allons entamer le 10éme mois de freezing et il reste encore + de 150 bugs Release 
Critical...


Au rythme actuel de résolution (1.1 bugs par jour), la debian Stable sera livrée dans + 
de 6 mois !


Ma question est précisement serait-il à votre avis intéressant de découper la 
distribution en plusieurs projets (core, server, desktop...) qui pourrait avoir des 
cycle de vie différents ? ou bien de limiter l'évolution de la stable en rentrant en 
freezing tous les 6 mois / 1 an après la release?


Je pense que cela aurait un impact positif sur les temps de release (par exemple 
conserver les mêmes règles pour core et server (0 bugs RC) et les assouplir pour les 
environements graphiques)...


Qu'en pensez-vous ?

++

Mourad



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Re: bios a reparer avec debian ?

2013-03-17 Thread Bzzz
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 03:07:34 -0700 (PDT)
ptilou pti...@gmail.com wrote:

 d'acquisition video une asus tuner tv europa II, dont un lspci ne

Un peu de recherches personnelles seraient la bienvenue…

Cte:
http://www.infos-du-net.com/forum/265499-10-tuner-linux
FMW:
http://poppleit.com/how-to-digital-television-dvb-in-linux-fedora-hauppauge-wintv-hvr-1110-tv-card-04-04-2011/

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-17 Thread Bzzz
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:32:18 +0100
Mourad Jaber m...@nativobject.net wrote:

IMHO ce que tu proposes nécessiterait au bas mot de tripler
les équipes Debian (avec des gens compétents), ce qui parait
peu évident à réaliser.

Comme dans bien des cas, Debian représente un compromis,
et comme le mieux est bien souvent l'ennemi du bien…

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Re: offlineimap et synchro bidirectionnelle

2013-03-17 Thread steve
Le 16-03-2013, à 18:29:07 +0100, francesco scaglione a écrit :

  readonly = False
  
  
  Qu'est-ce que j'ai raté ? 
 
 Un vieux bug peut-être?
 
 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.offlineimap.general/5520

Exactement ! Merci.

J'ai installé la version de Sid (la 6.5.4-2) et tout roule comme prévu.

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Re: bios a reparer avec debian ?

2013-03-17 Thread ptilou
ReBjr,

Le dimanche 17 mars 2013 11:40:01 UTC+1, Bzzz a écrit :
 On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 03:07:34 -0700 (PDT)
 
 ptilou pti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  d'acquisition video une asus tuner tv europa II, dont un lspci ne
 
 
 
 Un peu de recherches personnelles seraient la bienvenue…
 

Ben, lspci, ne voit pas la carte ...

 
 
 Cte:
 
 http://www.infos-du-net.com/forum/265499-10-tuner-linux
 
 FMW:
 
 http://poppleit.com/how-to-digital-television-dvb-in-linux-fedora-hauppauge-wintv-hvr-1110-tv-card-04-04-2011/
 

J'ai lu !

Le sujet n'est pas la carte d'acquisition video et son tuner TV, mais modifier 
le bios sous Debian, et comme certaine fonctions sont expérimentale, un retour 
d'infos seraient passionnants !

Merki

Ptilou

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Re: bios a reparer avec debian ?

2013-03-17 Thread Bzzz
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 05:23:34 -0700 (PDT)
ptilou pti...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ben, lspci, ne voit pas la carte ...

Dans ce cas, c'est qu'il y a des chances pour qu'elle soit morte.
Si l'insertion du bon module ne laisse strictement aucune trace
dans dmesg, c'est mort.

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uptime cumulé

2013-03-17 Thread steve
Question très générale d'un dimanche après-midi pluvieux

Est-ce qu'il y a une moyen (± simple) d'obtenir le uptime cumulé depuis la
première mise sous tension (d'une Debian) ? 

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libre en fête

2013-03-17 Thread Jean Marie Houviez
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Re: uptime cumulé

2013-03-17 Thread Bzzz
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:16:36 +0100
steve dl...@bluewin.ch wrote:

 Question très générale d'un dimanche après-midi pluvieux

à Nantes on a un bôôô soleil :)

 Est-ce qu'il y a une moyen (± simple) d'obtenir le uptime cumulé
 depuis la première mise sous tension (d'une Debian) ? 

Non, pas à ma connaissance, mais rien n'empêche d'écrire un
script qui ira faire un append d'uptime dans un fichier texte
lors d'un shutdown.

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Re: libre en fête

2013-03-17 Thread Jean Marie Houviez
*Pardon lors du précédent message je voulais dire*
*Lors de cette nocturne , je vous propose une rencontre des utilisateurs de
Debian *

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 **

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 de SPIP*

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 [image: PNG - 54 
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Re: uptime cumulé

2013-03-17 Thread steve
Le 17-03-2013, à 14:31:59 +0100, Bzzz a écrit :

 On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:16:36 +0100
 steve dl...@bluewin.ch wrote:
 
  Question très générale d'un dimanche après-midi pluvieux
 
 à Nantes on a un bôôô soleil :)
 
Alors qu'est-ce que tu fais devant ton ordinateur ? :)

  Est-ce qu'il y a une moyen (± simple) d'obtenir le uptime cumulé
  depuis la première mise sous tension (d'une Debian) ? 
 
 Non, pas à ma connaissance, mais rien n'empêche d'écrire un
 script qui ira faire un append d'uptime dans un fichier texte
 lors d'un shutdown.


Clair. Je pensais plutôt à un truc hardware, genre une horloge quelconque.

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Re: uptime cumulé

2013-03-17 Thread Bzzz
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:49:20 +0100
steve dl...@bluewin.ch wrote:

  
 Alors qu'est-ce que tu fais devant ton ordinateur ? :)

J'écris la part #3 d'une nouvelle érotique et je sèche
un peu, mais tu as raison je viens de voir que la 
température était à 11°C, ptêt un ch'tit tour d'ici une heure.
 
…
 Clair. Je pensais plutôt à un truc hardware, genre une horloge
 quelconque.
 
Ben nan, parce que les timers se trouvent dans l'horloge
normale, pas dans la C-MOS.
Mais ça peut aussi être une autre façon de faire: récupérer
epoch (ou la date complète encodée), peut-être même plus facile
(si tu n'as pas besoin des charges système) parc qu'il existe
plein de pgms/routines qui savent traiter ce type de données,
les manipuler et les rendre en clair.

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Re : uptime cumulé

2013-03-17 Thread nicolas . patrois
Le 17/03/2013 14:16:36, steve a écrit :

 Question très générale d'un dimanche après-midi pluvieux

 Est-ce qu'il y a une moyen (± simple) d'obtenir le uptime cumulé
 depuis la première mise sous tension (d'une Debian) ? 

Si tu as installé uptimed, lance uprecords à chaque redémarrage et 
cumule le dernier.

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Re : Re : uptime cumulé

2013-03-17 Thread nicolas . patrois
Le 17/03/2013 15:19:25, nicolas.patr...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Si tu as installé uptimed, lance uprecords à chaque redémarrage et 
 cumule le dernier.

Même pas besoin :

 uprecords |grep  up|grep since
up   828 days, 13:57:40 | since Sat Dec 25 
12:21:11 2010

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-17 Thread Mourad Jaber

Le 17/03/2013 11:41, Bzzz a écrit :

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:32:18 +0100
Mourad Jaber m...@nativobject.net wrote:

IMHO ce que tu proposes nécessiterait au bas mot de tripler
les équipes Debian (avec des gens compétents), ce qui parait
peu évident à réaliser.

Comme dans bien des cas, Debian représente un compromis,
et comme le mieux est bien souvent l'ennemi du bien…

J'en suis bien conscient, mais au rythme actuel de correction de bug RC, il faudrait 
encore 200 jours de plus sans compter les nouveaux bug qui ne manqueront pas d'arriver...

Résultat, cela donne l'impression que le modèle de publication est en panne !

++

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-17 Thread maderios

On 03/17/2013 04:04 PM, Mourad Jaber wrote:

Le 17/03/2013 11:41, Bzzz a écrit :

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:32:18 +0100
Mourad Jaber m...@nativobject.net wrote:

IMHO ce que tu proposes nécessiterait au bas mot de tripler
les équipes Debian (avec des gens compétents), ce qui parait
peu évident à réaliser.

Comme dans bien des cas, Debian représente un compromis,
et comme le mieux est bien souvent l'ennemi du bien…


J'en suis bien conscient, mais au rythme actuel de correction de bug RC,
il faudrait encore 200 jours de plus sans compter les nouveaux bug qui
ne manqueront pas d'arriver...
Résultat, cela donne l'impression que le modèle de publication est en
panne !


Salut
Actuellement 39801 paquets sont listés dans testing et sid. On est loin 
des quelques milliers (combien ?) d'il y a 10-15 ans. Les freezes seront 
de plus en plus long, inévitable,  comme le réchauffement climatique et 
ses conséquences...

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Re: vos claviers

2013-03-17 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-03-16 23:48:42 +0100, luc schimpf wrote:
 pour les keycodes, j'ai écrits un petit script que je lance à chaque
 démarrage via /etc/rc.local

C'est assez sale. Il faut utiliser udev.

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Re: Touche Fn netbook Samsung N210 Plus

2013-03-17 Thread moi-meme
Le Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:40:01 +0100, Stéphane Lestage a écrit :

 J'utilise une Debian 7 Wheezy mise à jour, avec dépôts non-free, sur un
 netbook Samsung N210 Plus. Lors de l'installation le clavier obsolète
 m'a été proposé, un nom guère encourageant.

voir si les touches sont reconnues avec xev.

Après ça dépend du WM pour les reconfigurer.

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Re: Touche Fn netbook Samsung N210 Plus

2013-03-17 Thread s l
[RÉSOLU !]

Bonsoir et merci pour vos réponses.

Je confirme le succès de la méthode suivante initialement prévue pour
un netbook Samsung 150 mais qui a fonctionné sur mon N210 Plus.

http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/Samsung%20N150
(je vais me renseigner pour donner un coup de main à la traduction du wiki)

Pour faire fonctionner toutes les touches Fn en installant le paquet
easy-slow-down-manager et en compilant samsung-tools :

Télécharger
http://code.google.com/p/easy-slow-down-manager/downloads/list
https://launchpad.net/samsung-tools

# aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
# dpkg -i easy-slow-down-manager-dkms_x.x.x_all.deb
# aptitude install xbindkeys dbus-python rfkill gettext
# cd Télécharger
# tar xzf samsung-tools-x.x.x.tar.gz
# cd  samsung-tools-x.x.x
# make
# make install

Redémarrer
Et les touches bleues ne seront plus frigides sous vos doigts fébriles.

Enjoy.
SL

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-17 Thread stephane . gargoly
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Dans son message du 17/03/13 à 11:41, Bzzz a écrit :
 Comme dans bien des cas, Debian représente un compromis,
 et comme le mieux est bien souvent l'ennemi du bien…

Tout à fait d'accord avec notre ami nantais... :-D

Et comme je l'ai expliqué dans mon message de dimanche dernier (voir 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2013/03/msg00218.html ), le fait que 
Debian propose plusieurs versions (stable, testing, etc.) me parait une bonne 
idée et permet à chacun de choisir la version qui lui convient le mieux, quitte 
à bien assimiler les avantages et les inconvénients de chacune.

Cordialement et à bientôt,

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Re: vos claviers

2013-03-17 Thread admini

On 16/03/2013 18:30, luc schimpf wrote:

Le 16/03/2013 17:31, Christophe a écrit :

luc schimpf a écrit :


Salut,
j'utilise un Cherry cymotion Solar

sans fil avec un capteur solaire pour recharger les batteries, 5 ans 
d'utilisation sans changer les piles, un nombre impressionnant de 
touches supplémentaires (31 !) que j'ai mappé pour les applis que 
j'utilise le plus souvent et quelques scripts maison.
Un peu déroutant au début toutes ces touches mais une fois qu'on a 
l'habitude c'est top..


Luc


Hello,
Je connais la marque Cherry de réputation, mais je ne connaissais pas 
ce modèle : Il a l'air vraiment top ton truc ! ;) .


Pas trop galère à programmer les touches supplémentaires sous Linux ?

@+
Christophe.

Méthode classique, la plupart envoient un scancode reconnu et sont 
configurable en quelque clics avec kde gnome xfce et consort, pas 
beaucoup plus compliqué avec openbox.
Les autres nécessite un recours à setkeycode et xmodmap pour obtenir 
un keycode utilisable mais ça n'est pas franchement difficile.
À noter que Cherry fournit un cd de pilote pour mac windows et 
suze/linux, je n'ai cependant pas réussi à l'utiliser sous Debian... 
pas grave ça marche très bien comme ça.


Si ça intéresse quelqu'un :
http://www.pearl.fr/peripheriques/claviers/kit-clavier-souris/clavier-cherry-cymotion-master-solar_KT629.html 





heureusement que j'ai lancé le sujet sur les KB, et non sur les mice ... :-)

je constate qu' à part moi, personne n'utilise de KB ergonomiques, c'est 
qu'un détail pour vous? un gadget aussi futile que les téléphones 
portatifs intelligents?


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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-17 Thread stephane . gargoly
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Dans son message du 17/03/13 à 16:24, Maderios a écrit :
 Actuellement 39801 paquets sont listés dans testing et sid. On est loin 
 des quelques milliers (combien ?) d'il y a 10-15 ans. Les freezes seront 
 de plus en plus long, inévitable, comme le réchauffement climatique et 
 ses conséquences...

Euh sur la même période, il devrait aussi avoir quelques utilisateurs (pour 
signaler les bogues) mais aussi quelques développeurs/mainteneurs de plus (pour 
les corriger) chez Debian, non ?

De plus, si j'en crois la page Wikipédia de notre distribution (voir 
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Versions_de_Debian_GNU.2FLinux ), je n'ai 
pas constaté un rallongement significatif entre les dates de publication des 
versions stables successives (Woody en 2002, Sarge en 2005, Etch en 2007, Lenny 
en 2009 et Squeeze en 2011) malgré l'augmentation continue du nombre de paquets 
(3,5 fois plus en moins en 10 ans) qu'elles contiennent.

Cordialement et à bientôt,

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Re: vos claviers

2013-03-17 Thread luc schimpf

Le 17/03/2013 19:01, Vincent Lefevre a écrit :

On 2013-03-16 23:48:42 +0100, luc schimpf wrote:

pour les keycodes, j'ai écrits un petit script que je lance à chaque
démarrage via /etc/rc.local

C'est assez sale. Il faut utiliser udev.

Je te l'accorde, mais c'est infiniment plus facile que de comprendre la 
syntaxe imbitable d'udev...(c'est un avis personnel qui n'engage que moi 
;-) )


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Re: vos claviers

2013-03-17 Thread luc schimpf

Le 17/03/2013 21:00, admini a écrit :



je constate qu' à part moi, personne n'utilise de KB ergonomiques, 
c'est qu'un détail pour vous? un gadget aussi futile que les 
téléphones portatifs intelligents?


En ce qui me concerne, c'est une bonne part de fainéantise, (pas envie 
d'apprendre une autre disposition) mais aussi, un PC familial et 
j'entends déjà les hauts cris de mes chers amours si je leur mets un 
clavier différent de celui du boulot, de l'école, des copains etc... ;-)
Cela dit, peut-être que ce n'est qu'un prétexte pour justifier le manque 
d'envie.


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Re: vos claviers

2013-03-17 Thread stephane . gargoly
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Dans son message du 17/03/13 à 21:01, admini a écrit :
 je constate qu' à part moi, personne n'utilise de KB ergonomiques, c'est 
 qu'un détail pour vous? un gadget aussi futile que les téléphones 
 portatifs intelligents?

Je ne néglige pas ce périphérique mais mon clavier (que je considère comme tout 
à fait banal) me convient tout à fait. Je l'utilise tous les jours (ou presque) 
depuis plus de 4 ans et je n'ai pas ressenti un quelconque gêne ou inconfort.

Il est clair que cela dépend des modèles que l'on peut trouver sur le marché 
mais aussi de la façon de se positionner devant le clavier... ;-)

Cordialement et à bientôt,

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Re: vos claviers

2013-03-17 Thread Bzzz
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:48:25 +0100
luc schimpf luc...@free.fr wrote:

 etc... ;-) Cela dit, peut-être que ce n'est qu'un prétexte pour
 justifier le manque d'envie.
 
Non, c'est une réalité. Par ex. remet les boîtes automatiques
dans le bon sens et demain 50,000 petits vieux vont cartonner
la voiture derrière eux.

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-17 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:24:14 +0100
maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit:

 Salut
 Actuellement 39801 paquets sont listés dans testing et sid. On est loin 
 des quelques milliers (combien ?) d'il y a 10-15 ans. Les freezes seront 
 de plus en plus long, inévitable,  comme le réchauffement climatique et 
 ses conséquences...

Si les freezes seront inévitablement plus long c'est que ce modèle de
fonctionnement est caduque ...

Gaëtan

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-17 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:53:01 +0100
stephane.garg...@laposte.net a écrit:

 Et comme je l'ai expliqué dans mon message de dimanche dernier (voir
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2013/03/msg00218.html ), le fait
 que Debian propose plusieurs versions (stable, testing, etc.) me parait une
 bonne idée et permet à chacun de choisir la version qui lui convient le
 mieux, quitte à bien assimiler les avantages et les inconvénients de chacune.
 

Oui mais encore faudrait-il que le freeze de stable ne freeze pas quasiment
aussi les autres (cas actuels pour testing et sid) ...

Gaëtan

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-17 Thread stephane . gargoly
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Dans son message du 17/03/13 à 21:59, Gaëtan a écrit :
 Oui mais encore faudrait-il que le freeze de stable ne freeze pas quasiment
 aussi les autres (cas actuels pour testing et sid) ...

Euh, je crois que tu veux dire que le gel de la testing actuelle est en train 
de geler aussi l'unstable, non ?

Il n'est pas possible que la stable gèle les autres versions vu qu'elle n'a 
plus aucun lien avec ses sœurs depuis sa publication contrairement à la 
testing qui a pu être alimentée par unstable (du moins avant son gel). :-|

Ou alors, il y a quelque chose qui m'a échappé... :-(

Cordialement et à bientôt,

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-17 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:40:43 +0100
stephane.garg...@laposte.net a écrit:

 Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :
 
 Dans son message du 17/03/13 à 21:59, Gaëtan a écrit :
  Oui mais encore faudrait-il que le freeze de stable ne freeze pas quasiment
  aussi les autres (cas actuels pour testing et sid) ...
 
 Euh, je crois que tu veux dire que le gel de la testing actuelle est en
 train de geler aussi l'unstable, non ?
 

Oui c'est ça. J'ai ripé d'un cran. ;)

Gaëtan

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Installer une imprimante HP Laserjet 4L

2013-03-17 Thread andre_debian
Je tente d'installer une imprimante HP
Laserjet 4L  (port USB) dont le pilote est indiqué
perfectly chez Openprinting.

Que faut-il taper exactement à un moment dans CUPS :
socket ipp lpd http//localhost... ?

J'ai tenté les 4 possibilités et l'imprimante ne démarre pas.

J'ai installé hplip mais celui-ci ne détecte pas l'imprimante.

Merci d'une aide.

André

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Re: Installer une imprimante HP Laserjet 4L

2013-03-17 Thread Raphaël POITEVIN
Bonsoir,
andre_deb...@numericable.fr writes:

 Je tente d'installer une imprimante HP
 Laserjet 4L  (port USB) dont le pilote est indiqué
 perfectly chez Openprinting.

 Que faut-il taper exactement à un moment dans CUPS :
 socket ipp lpd http//localhost... ?

 J'ai tenté les 4 possibilités et l'imprimante ne démarre pas.

 J'ai installé hplip mais celui-ci ne détecte pas l'imprimante.

Même en faisant Find new printer dans cups ? Tu passes par la page Web
?  L'imprimante est-elle allumée ?

Raphaël

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Re: Compilando compat-drivers (era: Instalar controlador AR8162 en Debian-testing)

2013-03-17 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:23:22 +, Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 Si alguien es capaz de compilar este paquete (compat-drivers²) para
 cualquiera de los drivers que admite que avise, mientras tanto he
 abierto un informe de fallo³ a ver si me dan alguna pista.

Al final he podido compilarlo (gracias a la ayuda que he recibido en la 
lista del kernel¹ ;-P) pero me da problemas al cargarlo con 
modprobe (todos los pasos están detallados en el hilo que menciono más 
abajo). 

En fin, sigo con las pruebas a ver si consigo que funcione ya que me me 
interesa probar el driver brcmsmac para mi wifi.

¹http://marc.info/?t=13635103432r=1w=2

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Re: Compilando compat-drivers (era: Instalar controlador AR8162 en Debian-testing)

2013-03-17 Thread Camaleón
El Sun, 17 Mar 2013 13:59:50 +, Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 En fin, sigo con las pruebas a ver si consigo que funcione ya que me me
 interesa probar el driver brcmsmac para mi wifi.

Que nada, que no se puede, hay un problema de incompatibilidad entre 
compat-drivers y el kernel de Debian:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703142#51

Es decir, ojo con instalar el compat-drivers porque *rompe* el servidor 
gráfico (yo lo he sufrido en mis carnes, pensaba que me había vuelto loca 
porque nada más ejecutar make install y reiniciar el sistema gnome-
shell se ha ido al garete porque el servidor gráfico cargaba el driver 
VESA) :-/

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Re: Prohibir la instalación de un paquete

2013-03-17 Thread Debian GMail

El 16/03/13 22:09, Gonzalo Rivero escribió:


había una opción para que se instalen los paquetes recomendados o
sugeridos, probablemente la tengas activada
Yo lo primero que hago después de instalar un debian es purgar varias
veces ese engendro del demonio, en realidad alcanza con la primera, pero
también me molesta -y mucho- en network-manager :P



Esa opción está activada en

// /etc/apt/apt.conf
APT
{
  Default-Release testing;
  Install-Recommends true;
  Install-Suggests true;
  Get
  {
 Assume-Yes false;
 Fix-Broken true;
  };
};
Acquire
{
  Languages environment;
};

Pero aunque desactivase la instalación de paquetes recomendados y/o 
sugeridos, hay paquetes de KDE que tienen a network-manager como 
dependencia y los instala sí o sí, razón por la cual la solución fue lo 
que Marc Olivé indicó más arriba.


La verdad, que me llama la atención que el manejo de paquetes que hace 
apt o aptitude, no tenga una llave para marcar los paquetes como 
prohibidos, dado que ya tiene una opción para retenerlos.


Cómo me gustaría saber mucho más de programación para poder hacerlo :-(

JAP


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Re: Compilando compat-drivers (era: Instalar controlador AR8162 en Debian-testing)

2013-03-17 Thread Camaleón

El 17/03/13 15:50, Camaleón escribió:

(...)


http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703142#51

Es decir, ojo con instalar el compat-drivers porque *rompe* el servidor
gráfico (yo lo he sufrido en mis carnes, pensaba que me había vuelto loca
porque nada más ejecutar make install y reiniciar el sistema gnome-
shell se ha ido al garete porque el servidor gráfico cargaba el driver
VESA) :-/


En mi segundo equipo (wheezy virtualizado) el driver alx se ha 
compilado y cargado sin problemas:


[23499.334855] Compat-drivers backport release: compat-drivers-v3.8.3-2-snpu
[23499.334942] Backport based on linux-stable.git v3.8.3
[23499.335007] compat.git: linux-stable.git
[23499.387260] Qualcomm Atheros(R) AR816x/AR817x PCI-E Ethernet Network 
Driver


Seguramente porque este equipo no lleva una gráfica Intel sino Ati por 
lo que no hay ninguna incompatibilidad entre ambos drivers.


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Re: Prohibir la instalación de un paquete

2013-03-17 Thread Gonzalo Rivero
El dom, 17-03-2013 a las 12:55 -0300, Debian GMail escribió: 
 El 16/03/13 22:09, Gonzalo Rivero escribió:
 
  había una opción para que se instalen los paquetes recomendados o
  sugeridos, probablemente la tengas activada
  Yo lo primero que hago después de instalar un debian es purgar varias
  veces ese engendro del demonio, en realidad alcanza con la primera, pero
  también me molesta -y mucho- en network-manager :P
 
 
 Esa opción está activada en
 
 // /etc/apt/apt.conf
 APT
 {
Default-Release testing;
Install-Recommends true;
Install-Suggests true;
Get
{
   Assume-Yes false;
   Fix-Broken true;
};
 };
 Acquire
 {
Languages environment;
 };
 
 Pero aunque desactivase la instalación de paquetes recomendados y/o 
 sugeridos, hay paquetes de KDE que tienen a network-manager como 
 dependencia y los instala sí o sí, razón por la cual la solución fue lo 
 que Marc Olivé indicó más arriba.
 
cuando respondí no había visto que ya estaba arreglado, y muy
interesante la solución

 La verdad, que me llama la atención que el manejo de paquetes que hace 
 apt o aptitude, no tenga una llave para marcar los paquetes como 
 prohibidos, dado que ya tiene una opción para retenerlos.
 
 Cómo me gustaría saber mucho más de programación para poder hacerlo :-(
 
quizá podrías abrir un bug del tipo 'wishlist' para esa opción. O mejor,
uno pidiendo que networkmanager desaparezca de la faz de la tierra


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imposible reducir el brillo de la pantalla

2013-03-17 Thread Eduardo Rios

Hola a todos:

Utilizo un portátil HP Pavilion dv7-6090es, que tiene una tarjeta 
gráfica integrada Intel HD 3000, pero que puede cambiar a una ATI Radeon 
HD 6770M si se necesita mayor rendimiento.


Uso Debian Wheezy.

Tengo instalados los controladores privativos de la Web de AMD [1], ya 
que los controladores del respositorio Debian hacen que se cuelgue el 
sistema gráfico.


El problema es que no consigo reducir el brillo de la pantalla. Los 
botones del portátil hacen la función, según el icono que aparece en la 
pantalla, pero no se oscurece nada.


Desde el gestor de energia de gnome3 tampoco hace nada

Googleando, he encontrado info de la utilidad xbacklight, pero tampoco 
me funciona. No sé que más hacer. ¿Alguna idea? Gracias.


[1] http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx


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Re: evento nacional

2013-03-17 Thread Valentim Carlos
Olá Gustavo,

Também gostaria de saber e participar, se alguém já tiver sabendo o
ficar, por gentileza postar na lista. Obrigado.

att Valentim

Em Dom, 2013-03-17 às 00:15 -0300, gust...@logicus.com.br escreveu:
 Olá amigos,
 
 Há algum evento Debian no Brasil já programado ou sendo idealizado para 
 este ano de 2013?
 
 att gustavo
 
 



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Re: evento nacional

2013-03-17 Thread Rogerio Paixao
Eu também gostaria de participar



 De: Valentim Carlos timkha...@gmail.com
Para: gust...@logicus.com.br 
Cc: Debian-user Portuguese debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org 
Enviadas: Domingo, 17 de Março de 2013 11:36
Assunto: Re: evento nacional
 
Olá Gustavo,

Também gostaria de saber e participar, se alguém já tiver sabendo o
ficar, por gentileza postar na lista. Obrigado.

att Valentim

Em Dom, 2013-03-17 às 00:15 -0300, gust...@logicus.com.br escreveu:
 Olá amigos,
 
 Há algum evento Debian no Brasil já programado ou sendo idealizado para 
 este ano de 2013?
 
 att gustavo
 
 



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tamanho ícones gnome

2013-03-17 Thread Gustavo

Amigos,

alguem sabe como reduzir o tamanho dos ícones no Gnome? algumas imagens 
ficam estouradas. feinho né!?




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Re: evento nacional

2013-03-17 Thread Júlio Henrique
Olá,

Porque não aproveitar a FISL14 em julho para esse encontro?

Abs.,

Julio

Enviado via iPad

Em 17/03/2013, às 13:58, Rogerio Paixao rogeriojpai...@ymail.com escreveu:

 Eu também gostaria de participar
 
 De: Valentim Carlos timkha...@gmail.com
 Para: gust...@logicus.com.br 
 Cc: Debian-user Portuguese debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org 
 Enviadas: Domingo, 17 de Março de 2013 11:36
 Assunto: Re: evento nacional
 
 Olá Gustavo,
 
 Também gostaria de saber e participar, se alguém já tiver sabendo o
 ficar, por gentileza postar na lista. Obrigado.
 
 att Valentim
 
 Em Dom, 2013-03-17 às 00:15 -0300, gust...@logicus.com.br escreveu:
  Olá amigos,
  
  Há algum evento Debian no Brasil já programado ou sendo idealizado para 
  este ano de 2013?
  
  att gustavo
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: evento nacional

2013-03-17 Thread d4n1
Ótima idéa, inclusive estou me preparando para ir ao Fisl ;D

Em 17 de março de 2013 19:33, Júlio Henrique julioh1...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Olá,

 Porque não aproveitar a FISL14 em julho para esse encontro?

 Abs.,

 Julio

 Enviado via iPad

 Em 17/03/2013, às 13:58, Rogerio Paixao rogeriojpai...@ymail.com
 escreveu:

 Eu também gostaria de participar

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 att Valentim

 Em Dom, 2013-03-17 às 00:15 -0300, gust...@logicus.com.br escreveu:
  Olá amigos,
 
  Há algum evento Debian no Brasil já programado ou sendo idealizado para
  este ano de 2013?
 
  att gustavo
 
 



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Kali Linux

2013-03-17 Thread Anacleto Pavão
Para os que se interessam pelo assunto mas ainda não leram sobre, o Backtrack 
agora deve se chamar Kali Linux.


http://www.kali.org/

Re: Kali Linux

2013-03-17 Thread Gustavo
Interessante. Eu vi que teriam lançado o BT 6. Mas não sabia que tinha 
outro nome então.




Em 2013-03-17 23:00, Anacleto Pavão escreveu:

Para os que se interessam pelo assunto mas ainda não leram sobre, o
Backtrack agora deve se chamar Kali Linux.

 http://www.kali.org/ [1]



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Configurar Flash

2013-03-17 Thread Listeiro 037


Bom dia a todos.


Há como automatizar a configuração do Flash no Linux. Quero que o
browser possa ler um arquivo Flash num diretório local da máquina.

Quero automatizar isso, permitindo essa autorização com a instalação de
um pacote .deb criado por mim, que instala esse arquivo Flash.

Grato a qualquer ajuda.


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external hard disk ntfs formatted not recognized.

2013-03-17 Thread L V Gandhi
my system is squeeze-amd64
I have my passport external hdd. It is initially recognised and then it is
disconnected immediately.
I got message as follows
lvgandhi@lvghomepc:/var/log$ sudo tail messages
Mar 17 11:32:34 lvghomepc kernel: [ 1255.536713] scsi 4:0:0:0:
Direct-Access WD   3200BEV External 1.75 PQ: 0 ANSI: 4
Mar 17 11:32:34 lvghomepc kernel: [ 1255.537876] sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi
generic sg3 type 0
Mar 17 11:32:34 lvghomepc kernel: [ 1255.538061] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc]
625142448 512-byte logical blocks: (320 GB/298 GiB)
Mar 17 11:32:34 lvghomepc kernel: [ 1255.538562] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Write
Protect is off
Mar 17 11:32:34 lvghomepc kernel: [ 1255.539944]  sdc: sdc1
Mar 17 11:32:34 lvghomepc kernel: [ 1255.554116] usb 1-3: USB disconnect,
address 4
Mar 17 11:32:34 lvghomepc kernel: [ 1255.557962] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] READ
CAPACITY failed
Mar 17 11:32:34 lvghomepc kernel: [ 1255.557967] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Result:
hostbyte=DID_NO_CONNECT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK
Mar 17 11:32:34 lvghomepc kernel: [ 1255.557973] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense
not available.
Mar 17 11:32:34 lvghomepc kernel: [ 1255.558002] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached
SCSI disk

I also have following rule in /etc/udev/rules.d
80-usb-wd.rules
which is
lvgandhi@lvghomepc:~$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/80-usb-wd.rules
ACTION==add, SUBSYSTEMS==usb,
ATTRS{serial}==57442D575845304139395337303334, SYMLINK+=wd%n
ACTION==add, SUBSYSTEMS==usb,
ATTRS{serial}==57442D575845304139395337303334, RUN+=/bin/mkdir /media/wd
ACTION==add, SUBSYSTEMS==usb,
ATTRS{serial}==57442D575845304139395337303334, RUN+=/bin/mount -t
ntfs-3g -o rw,uid=1000,umask=022,posix,shortname=winnt /dev/wd1 /media/wd,
OPTIONS=last_rule
ACTION==remove, SUBSYSTEMS==usb,
ATTRS{serial}==57442D575845304139395337303334, RUN+=/bin/umount
/media/wd
ACTION==remove, SUBSYSTEMS==usb,
ATTRS{serial}==57442D575845304139395337303334, RUN+=/bin/rmdir
/media/wd, OPTIONS=last_rule
lvgandhi@lvghomepc:~$

Any solution to avoid disconnection and mounting?
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Re: Help diagnosing USB disk issue?

2013-03-17 Thread Brian Flaherty
Thank you all for your thoughts about the USB disk problems I'm
having. I follow-up below.

Kelly wrote:
 Have you tried it on different ports?

Yes and no change.

 Do other USB devices (flash drives, keyboard/mouse, etc) work in the
 port(s) you are trying this disk on?

Yes.

 What do you get from lsusb, both plugged in and not?

No difference, a list of the other USB devices.


sp113438 asked if I tried usbmount. I believe usbmount and pmount are
both wrappers for regular users to mount removable drives. I use
pmount and it cannot mount anything because the kernel doesn't see the
drive. I tried to mount the device it should be, but as expected, the
kernel said it couldn't find that device.


Amit wrote:
 Try the following:
 
 1. blacklist uhci-hcd and usbhid in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf.
 - This forces ehci-hcd to load first.
 2. Then once the system is up, manually modprobe uhci-hcd.

On my system, uhci-hcd wasn't loaded, only ehci-hcd. I tried this on
one system today and when I insmod'ed uhci-hcd without ehci_hcd, I
received a message that ehci_hcd has to be loaded first, and it was
loaded automatically.

Jude mentioned updating the usb-ids, but as another poster said, I
think that just updates the information about devices, not the
drivers.


Pascal wrote:
 If nothing shows in the kernel logs and other USB device work well, then
 it looks like a hardware issue to me, maybe a lack of power. Is the disk
 self-powered (with its own power adapter) or bus-powered ?

The external drive in question has its own power supply. Since it
works on the other computers, I assume it is getting enough power, but
the laptop it isn't working on is the newest. I suppose it is possible
that the newer X201 has a more sensitive USB hardware system.


I have since copied the stuff I wanted to put on the drive via rsync
across machines, rather than using one computer with two external
drives. I suspect the drive is the problem and that the older machines
are less picky about everything working right.

Thank you again!

Brian


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Re: Chromium on Sid Very Slow

2013-03-17 Thread David Baron
On Sunday 17 March 2013 01:05:37 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org 
wrote:
  On Friday 15 March 2013 17:34:22 Kelly Clowers wrote:
   On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:39 PM, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il 
wrote:
This is supposed to be the fastest browser but not right now.
   



   
Almost unusable. Rekonq and others do far better.
  
   
  
   What is slow? Page rendering? Tab/window opening? interacting with the
   page?
 
  
 
  Opening the page.
  Completion of rendering, i.e. assembling all the little objects.
 
 This is the recommended procedure of the DBTTF (the Debian
 Browser Testing Task Force) to assess browser performance:
 
 1. Type www.debian.org into the address bar of the browser.
 
 2. Press the ENTER key.
 
 3. Does the page appear in
 
  less then one second
 
  about one second
 
  greater than one second
 
 If it is greater than one second please give an estimate of the time the
 page takes to appear.

I can't count that high. Really.

BTW, the qt/webkit-based rekonq is really quick until it has a lot of tabs 
around. Not quite stable enough, however.


Re: Wheezy amd64 XFCE how to burn Blu-Ray (BD-R )discs?

2013-03-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

 i72600s-20130314-161929.png
 i72600s-20130314-162022.txt

There is nothing to see about an error of growisofs in the .txt file.
Nevertheless there should be the traditional final close error of
growisofs with BD-R:

  :-[ CLOSE SESSION failed with SK=5h/INVALID FIELD IN CDB]: I/O error

It is said to be harmless. Andy Polyakov promised to fix it with the
next release after 7.1. But that release did not happen for several
years now.

Is the BD medium mountable and fully readable afterwards ?


 Does anybody have any recommendations for Linux-friendly Blu-Ray writing 
 drives?

I am using an old LG GGC-H20L and a newer Optiarc BD-5300S, which
replaced a Pioneer BDR-205 that went bad after a year (i got my
money back).

There should be no Linux-specific problems with any particular DVD or
BD drive model at PATA, SATA, or USB cables. They all obey the
published SCSI command specs (SPC and MMC).
The burn software is based on libburn, as is Debian's current version
of Brasero.

It is possible that the kernel or programs like hald sabotage the
communication between burn program and drive. But that should be in
no way specific to the drive. Only to the system software.
BD-R is not very prone to interference by hald or udev. CD-R[W] and
DVD-R[W] are the most vulnerable media types in that aspect.

It is also possible that an individual drive is bad or goes bad.
It is even possible that it goes bad temporarily. (This happens
with my Optiarc BD-5300S when i insert a CD. Afterwards it spoils
BD in a very reliable way. Power-off power-on repairs it. Shrug.)


Gary Dale states that Brasero is supposed to support BD.
Get the newest available version and give it a try.
(That would be a version from Debian wheezy or sid, i assume.)

I had a quick look into the source of xfburn. It is not really aware
of BD but seems not to have checks which would refuse on them.
Only the speed display is probably in DVD units rather than in BD units.

Alternatively you could tell me what files you want to have in
an ISO 9660 filesystem on that BD so that i can compose a xorriso
run for you. (I know, command line is not comfortable. But it is
powerful.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


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Re: su - timeout for dbus/system_bus_socket if $DISPLAY set but unreachable

2013-03-17 Thread Sven Uhlig
On 17.03.2013 02:53, Clive Standbridge wrote:
 The reasons seems to be my setup of the system.
 Debian runs in a VirtualBox environment, headless and w/o X server.
 I use ssh to connect to the system. (putty)
 I use X forwarding to run X applications on the system.
 The variable $DISPLAY gets set to 10.0.2.2:0 after ssh auth.
 
 I'm pretty sure that the value of DISPLAY means you are using a
 traditional X connection, and not actually using the X forwarding over
 ssh. ssh would set DISPLAY to localhost:10 or similar.

That is so true!
I have no idea why I have overlooked that fact.

 You will need to remove any setting of DISPLAY from your shell's
 startup files.

Done.

I guess at some point I wanted to be smart and expected that using a
direct connection was quicker than X11Forwarding.

mea culpa

 Make sure your /etc/ssh/sshd_config contains a line:
   X11Forwarding yes

$ grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
X11Forwarding yes
X11DisplayOffset 10

 Then connect from Putty without X forwarding. DISPLAY should not be
 set on the Debian machine.

$ echo $DISPLAY|wc --words
0

 Then connect from Putty with X forwarding. DISPLAY should be
 localhost:10 or similar.

$ echo $DISPLAY
localhost:10.0

 I hope this helps.

It actually does. Even if I keep X forwarding enabled and $DISPLAY set,
su is a lot faster now, good enough for me - problem solved.

Thank you very much for your help! :)

I think the reason why it is faster is that $DISPLAY is localhost with
dbus running. There is no Timeout in strace but only seemingly
successfull calls to the FD of the dbus socket.

Also if I do /etc/init.d/dbus stop su is even faster (read instant.)
And interestingly virt-manager still works without dbus. (virt-manager
is the package that also installed dbus)

Sven.


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Re: su - timeout for dbus/system_bus_socket if $DISPLAY set but unreachable

2013-03-17 Thread Sven Uhlig
On 17.03.2013 03:12, Bob Proulx wrote:
 Sven Uhlig wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:
 The problem is that su takes 25 seconds before it
 succeeds.
 
 That sounds like a DNS timeout. If you do a dns lookup of your 
 systems hostname does it respond?
 
 # nslookup baldur ** server can't find baldur: NXDOMAIN
 
 # nslookup baldur.asgard ** server can't find baldur.asgard:
 NXDOMAIN
 
 Unfortunately nslookup only looks at DNS.  It is a DNS tool and
 does not follow /etc/nsswitch.conf for looking at other locations
 such as the /etc/hosts file.  It is the reason I use the libc tool
 'getent' to use the libc lookup routine and do whatever is
 configured.
 
 getent baldur.asgard
 

That is why I used C's getnameinfo().

How should getent work?

# getent baldur.asgard
Unknown database: baldur.asgard

# getent -V
getent (Debian EGLIBC 2.13-38) 2.13

Nevermind, my problem is solved, see mail by Clive Standbridge. :)

 # ping baldur PING baldur.asgard (127.0.1.1) 56(84) bytes of
 data.
 
 See that ping does do the lookup and does find the address okay.
 But although I know that many people use ping for a lookup tool
 that is really only a side effect of the primary purpose of ping.

I know but it is very convenient.

 That long delay in sudo with dns broken is why I suspected a 
 problem with your 'su' delay and was thinking it might be similar.

It is a network thing. $DISPLAY was set to 10.0.2.2:0 where it should
have been localhost:10.0

 In the output of strace I can see that /something/ happens with 
 libnss, so DNS lookup.
 
 Another brainstorm idea.  Do you have libnss-mdns installed?  As
 an experiment try removing it.  I doubt you are using it.  You can
 always install it again.

# apt-get purge libnss-mdns
Package 'libnss-mdns' is not installed, so not removed

 I wish I could be more help.  Hopefully someone knowledgeable
 about dbus will have help with a solution for it.

Well, no help regarding dbus. But regarding X11Forwarding.

Thank you for your input!

Sven.


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Re: Wheezy amd64 XFCE how to burn Blu-Ray (BD-R )discs?

2013-03-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Gary Dale wrote:
 I wasn't striving for absolute accuracy but rather to give
 the OP the flavour of the issue.

There are too many urban legends around about optical media.
The whole topic is somewhat complicated but not by far as weird
as some discussions in the web would suggest.


 I use BD-RE for automated backups where defect management
 is nice to have and where the ability to rewrite individual
 files is also important.

This is useful if the files are small or if the data get written
at a low speed.
The problems arise when you want to fill a whole BD.

Defect Management appears nice in theory. But in practice it does
not work well. Comparison after nearly five years of experience
tells me that the chance for a flawlessly readable medium is better
if i disable Defect Management.


 Using E to indicate that you can erase it doesn't really capture
 the essence that you can overwrite existing sectors with new data.

Yeah. Funnily the MMC standard uses the term erase for blanking
CD-RW or DVD-RW. The BD-RE media belong to the overwritable types.


 Both BD-R and BD-RE use the + disc track/sector structure that
 was originally in DVD-RAM and adopted by DVD+,

Urm, no.
BD-R and DVD+R have a multi-track structure. BD-RE and DVD-RAM
have only one track that is overwritable.

BD-R can be formatted to appear as overwritable (POW). Each overwritten
block will be replaced by a new one from the pool of unwritten ones. But
since already Defect Management works poorly, POW can only be worse.


 I think of BD as super DVD-RAM.

For BD-RE this is ok. And they do work quite reliably. Other than DVD-RAM.
Nevertheless i use Defect Management only for the first few MB,
where i write multi-session emulation and ISO 9660 directories.
For the bulk of file content data i disable it in order to get full
nominal speed of the medium.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


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Re: SSDT - Any more ideas??

2013-03-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 00:16 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:
 On 03/16/2013 05:40 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  Hi Ethan :)
 
  1. In your position, I would follow the advice to reset the BIOS
  settings.
  2. Can you run the Parted Magic live media?
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/partedmagic/files/partedmagic/
  Or a similar light weight Linux live media?
 
  OT:
  On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 20:25 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 
  And I cannot be the only one whose email client is set not to read HTML.
  Ethan would get more eyeballs, and therefore a larger pool of potential 
  help,
  if he posted in plain text.
 
  I'm able and willing to read HTML, even if IMO HTML for emails is
  obsolet. HTML for emails was a valid experiment, to test if comfortable
  text formatting could be provided. The experiment failed, HTML for
  emails comes with more drawbacks, than advantages. We still have enough
  issues without HTML and shouldn't add extra-issues. The formatting of
  this thread even for HTML was über-disgusting.
 
 
 
 Lisi -
 
 HTML is the Icedove default. Now disabled.
 
 Ralf -
 
 Reset BIOS.  No Change.
 
 . Can you run the Parted Magic live media?
   http://sourceforge.net/projects/partedmagic/files/partedmagic/
   Or a similar light weight Linux live media?
   YES
 
 See  my other answers in my email to Mark Neidorf.
 
 Ethan

Hi Ethan :)

I don't use Icedove, but there for sure are 2 important options.

1. It must be possible that you switch to plain text for mails by
   default.
2. It's very likely that there is an option to automatically reply to
   the mailing list only.

For the future it's important that you take care about this, but at the
moment don't worry about it, lets first try to find out what's wrong
with your laptop.

I don't think that you need a new BIOS version, a new version might have
less bugs, but even a buggy version should enable to at least run
Windows on that machine.

Install a new BIOS, because it might be broken. Perhaps the memory for
the BIOS is broken.

On my machine I experienced very strange errors, when the battery was
weak, even when there were no messages about an empty battery. I'm not
thinking about the rechargeable battery of your laptop, but about a
CR2032, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CR2032_battery .

Those batteries are that inexpensive, that in a case of doubt, it should
be replaced. I know it's not very nice regarding to environmentalism,
but the battery could cause issues. You don't need to throw away the old
battery, if it shouldn't be weak, but anyway, test what happens, if you
replace the battery.

Regards,
Ralf


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Debian sid, PHP cli, xdebug, set_error_handler, mysql_list_dbs, throw = Segmentation fault

2013-03-17 Thread Sven Uhlig
Hello again,

this time I write to this list to report a bug, a segmentation fault.
Couldn't find any lead to this bug anywhere else. And because of so many
related packages, I dont know where to post it. Did I find the right place?

The following PHP code exits in segmentation fault.

?php
function error_handler() {
  throw new Exception;
}
set_error_handler('error_handler');
mysql_list_dbs();
?

No segmentation fault if I do either of these things:
1) disable xdebug
2) don't set_error_handler
3) don't throw exception
4) throw exception after mysql_list_dbs but outside of error_handler

As I only wanted to use mysql_list_dbs() for testing purposes I don't
need an alternative solution. I know that this function is deprecated in
PHP5.4.

Some technical details:
$ strace php test.php 21 |tail -n 3
read(3, \7\0\0\2\0\0\0\2\0\0\0, 16384) = 11
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

$ php -v
PHP 5.4.4-14 (cli) (built: Mar  4 2013 14:08:43)
Copyright (c) 1997-2012 The PHP Group
Zend Engine v2.4.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2012 Zend Technologies
with Xdebug v2.2.1, Copyright (c) 2002-2012, by Derick Rethans

$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free
deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free

# (apt-get update  apt-get upgrade)|tail -n 1
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

# uname -a
Linux baldur 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.39-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Best regards
Sven.


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Re: Debian sid, PHP cli, xdebug, set_error_handler, mysql_list_dbs, throw = Segmentation fault

2013-03-17 Thread Jerry Stuckle

On 3/17/2013 9:20 AM, Sven Uhlig wrote:

Hello again,

this time I write to this list to report a bug, a segmentation fault.
Couldn't find any lead to this bug anywhere else. And because of so many
related packages, I dont know where to post it. Did I find the right place?

The following PHP code exits in segmentation fault.

?php
function error_handler() {
   throw new Exception;
}
set_error_handler('error_handler');
mysql_list_dbs();
?

No segmentation fault if I do either of these things:
1) disable xdebug
2) don't set_error_handler
3) don't throw exception
4) throw exception after mysql_list_dbs but outside of error_handler

As I only wanted to use mysql_list_dbs() for testing purposes I don't
need an alternative solution. I know that this function is deprecated in
PHP5.4.

Some technical details:
$ strace php test.php 21 |tail -n 3
read(3, \7\0\0\2\0\0\0\2\0\0\0, 16384) = 11
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

$ php -v
PHP 5.4.4-14 (cli) (built: Mar  4 2013 14:08:43)
Copyright (c) 1997-2012 The PHP Group
Zend Engine v2.4.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2012 Zend Technologies
 with Xdebug v2.2.1, Copyright (c) 2002-2012, by Derick Rethans

$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free
deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free

# (apt-get update  apt-get upgrade)|tail -n 1
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

# uname -a
Linux baldur 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.39-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Best regards
Sven.




Impossible to tell from the (lack of) information you supplied. 
However, personally, I would start with xdebug.  I've seen more problems 
with it than anything else in your list.  I finally got rid of it.



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Nicer way to manage installed build dependencies?

2013-03-17 Thread Claudius Hubig
Dear all,

due to a long-standing annoyance in freeciv-client-gtk[0], I wanted
to rebuild this package locally and noticed that there still seems to
be no way to nicely manage what

# apt-get build-dep freeciv-client-gtk

pulls in - it just installs the required packages and then leaves me
with them. This is obviously fine if I use a fresh chroot for every
new build, but is there really no way to either

a) mark such packages as installed automatically in some way that
   doesn’t instantly remove them again
or
b) remove all build dependencies of a given package that are not
   required by others?

I know of deborphan etc., but they are usually rather cumbersome to
use (you have to iterate manually etc.).

Are there any obvious other ways to solve this problem? I managed to
put together a small shell script[1] that creates a dummy/meta
package, but I’d really prefer something ‘official’.

Best,

Claudius

[0] The lower limit of gold loss in the city management interface is
-20 (or 20, depending on how you look at it), which is too low
if you really don’t care how much gold this particular city
wastes, cf. #659644 and http://gna.org/bugs/?16184 .
[1] http://git.chubig.net/misc.git/history/master:/buildbuilddep
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Re: Wheezy issue with broadcom 5720 nic on new dell PowerEdge R720

2013-03-17 Thread Casper Langemeijer

On 03/16/2013 07:19 PM, Brian wrote:

 From that moment on eth0 is not working anymore. I get these kernel
messages:

[ 1796.583881] tg3 :01:00.0: eth0: transmit timed out, resetting

A search with tg3 transmit timed out resetting turns up some
possibilities for you to investigate.
Seriously? Are to telling me to f* off too google? No, I am assuming you 
are trying to be helpful in suggesting that I could find a solution that 
is already documented online somewhere. Well, I looked around, read all 
there is to know about the tg3 transmit timed out resetting subject. 
Nothing relevant to my issue. I spent a good half day looking for 
relevant sources.



Then it loads that firmware blob onto the network card, breaking it.

And now what?

I have a bricked eth0. I really like to repair before the machine
goes into production. Suggestions anyone?

You are suggesting the loading of firmware has permanently damaged the
network card but I wonder whether this can be so. My understanding is
similar to what is expressed in this post:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/01/msg00028.html

 2) What happens with the firmware when card becomes operational? I
 mean by definition it should be written to device non-volatile
 memory(for example flash memory), but I doubt that this is the case
 for Wi-Fi adapters.. Or is it?

  No.  The image is simply loaded into the adapter's ram.  After the
  device loses power the memory evaporates.  When power is applied again
  the device is once again blank or back to the default power on state
  and the firmware must be loaded again.


Which has alway been my understanding of it until so far. But I like to 
repeat from my first email: I tried the debian installer again, but 
even then it's not able to get a DHCP IP address using eth0. eth1 is 
working fine. This is after a cold boot.


Evidently the NIC has some non-volatile state, it's not just RAM. It 
could well be that the firmware in RAM did something to the NIC that 
brought it into this broken state. The firmware blob could even have 
fried it, but I think that's unlikely.


Bottom line is that installing the firmware blob for the network card is 
breaking it.



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Re: Wheezy issue with broadcom 5720 nic on new dell PowerEdge R720

2013-03-17 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/17/2013 10:34 AM, Casper Langemeijer wrote:

 Which has alway been my understanding of it until so far. But I like to
 repeat from my first email: I tried the debian installer again, but
 even then it's not able to get a DHCP IP address using eth0. eth1 is
 working fine. This is after a cold boot.
 
 Evidently the NIC has some non-volatile state, it's not just RAM. It
 could well be that the firmware in RAM did something to the NIC that
 brought it into this broken state. The firmware blob could even have
 fried it, but I think that's unlikely.
 
 Bottom line is that installing the firmware blob for the network card is
 breaking it.

Have you performed sufficient troubleshooting to make this claim?

If the firmware is the problem conventional wisdom says it will brick
all 4 ports, not just one.  You've never mentioned the other two ports
eth2/3.  Are they working?  Also, dhclient not receiving a lease doesn't
mean eth0 is dead or broken.  What does ifconfig tell you?  How about
/etc/network/interfaces?

Also, all modern servers retain power while the cord is jacked in.  This
is what enables wake-on-LAN, etc.  As long as the daughterboard has
standby power it will retain the firmware in its onboard RAM.  Pull the
power cord and wait 60 seconds, then plug it back in.

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Re: Seeking advise on changing names of target in dm-crypt

2013-03-17 Thread J.A. de Vries
On 2013-02-20 07:14, Rick Thomas wrote:

 Recently I've added a couple of disks to a system. All these disks
 are encrypted using dm-crypt with the Luks extensions. The result is 
 working just fine, but now I have the old target names the installer
 defined and the new ones I added. Normally no biggie, but the names
 the installer added have become confusing in the new setup, because
 the order of the disks has changed. This means I now have targets
 named like sdb1_crypt etc. that are no longer related to sdb at all.
 
 I am thinking of changing the names of the targets in crypttab and 
 fstab. Are there other files I need to adjust? Any pitfalls I need to
  be aware of? I am thinking especially of the target that contains
 /.

Thanks in advance for any advise!

 Please give us a report when you're done.  I curious how it turns
 out!

My advise? Don't even try this for the disk with the root filesystem on
it. All other disks are easy.

I have been messing around with fstab, crypttab, blkid.tab, grub and
initramfs and every time a new dependency rears its ugly head. The
system still keeps asking for the original name of the partition with /
on it. I am thinking of giving up and just starting anew (reinstall).
That'll probably cost me less time. It's not the way I like to do
things, but I just don't have time to solve this mess.

Grx HdV


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Re: Debian sid, PHP cli, xdebug, set_error_handler, mysql_list_dbs, throw = Segmentation fault

2013-03-17 Thread Sven Uhlig
On 17.03.2013 16:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 On 3/17/2013 9:20 AM, Sven Uhlig wrote:
 The following PHP code exits in segmentation fault.

 ?php
 function error_handler() {
throw new Exception;
 }
 set_error_handler('error_handler');
 mysql_list_dbs();
 ?

 No segmentation fault if I do either of these things:
 1) disable xdebug
 2) don't set_error_handler
 3) don't throw exception
 4) throw exception after mysql_list_dbs but outside of error_handler

 As I only wanted to use mysql_list_dbs() for testing purposes I don't
 need an alternative solution. I know that this function is deprecated in
 PHP5.4.

 Some technical details:
 $ strace php test.php 21 |tail -n 3
 read(3, \7\0\0\2\0\0\0\2\0\0\0, 16384) = 11
 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
 +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

 $ php -v
 PHP 5.4.4-14 (cli) (built: Mar  4 2013 14:08:43)
 Copyright (c) 1997-2012 The PHP Group
 Zend Engine v2.4.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2012 Zend Technologies
  with Xdebug v2.2.1, Copyright (c) 2002-2012, by Derick Rethans

 $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
 deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free
 deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free

 # (apt-get update  apt-get upgrade)|tail -n 1
 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

 # uname -a
 Linux baldur 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.39-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux
 
 Impossible to tell from the (lack of) information you supplied.

What do you need?

 However,
 personally, I would start with xdebug.  I've seen more problems with it
 than anything else in your list.  I finally got rid of it.

As stated above, disabling xdebug does the trick. But that cannot be a
permanent solution and I think a segmentation fault is always worth fixing.

Sven.


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firefox question?

2013-03-17 Thread Karen Lewellen

Actually I seek to have something checked.
If you use the browser, do you mind writing me privately?
I am told by one firefox user that my site does not display for them.
I would rather not have my site in the list archive, so if someone wants 
to write me privately I would deeply appreciate it
the other reason I am motivated is because another person with the Lynx 
Development list experienced the same error on their site.

working with other browsers, but not with firefox.
thanks in advance,
Karen


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Re: SSDT - Any more ideas??

2013-03-17 Thread Ethan Rosenberg, PhD


On 03/17/2013 06:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 00:16 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:

On 03/16/2013 05:40 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Hi Ethan :)

1. In your position, I would follow the advice to reset the BIOS
 settings.
2. Can you run the Parted Magic live media?
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/partedmagic/files/partedmagic/
 Or a similar light weight Linux live media?

OT:
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 20:25 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:


And I cannot be the only one whose email client is set not to read HTML.
Ethan would get more eyeballs, and therefore a larger pool of potential help,
if he posted in plain text.


I'm able and willing to read HTML, even if IMO HTML for emails is
obsolet. HTML for emails was a valid experiment, to test if comfortable
text formatting could be provided. The experiment failed, HTML for
emails comes with more drawbacks, than advantages. We still have enough
issues without HTML and shouldn't add extra-issues. The formatting of
this thread even for HTML was über-disgusting.




Lisi -

HTML is the Icedove default. Now disabled.

Ralf -

Reset BIOS.  No Change.

. Can you run the Parted Magic live media?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/partedmagic/files/partedmagic/
Or a similar light weight Linux live media?
YES

See  my other answers in my email to Mark Neidorf.

Ethan


Hi Ethan :)

I don't use Icedove, but there for sure are 2 important options.

1. It must be possible that you switch to plain text for mails by
default.
2. It's very likely that there is an option to automatically reply to
the mailing list only.

For the future it's important that you take care about this, but at the
moment don't worry about it, lets first try to find out what's wrong
with your laptop.

I don't think that you need a new BIOS version, a new version might have
less bugs, but even a buggy version should enable to at least run
Windows on that machine.

Install a new BIOS, because it might be broken. Perhaps the memory for
the BIOS is broken.

On my machine I experienced very strange errors, when the battery was
weak, even when there were no messages about an empty battery. I'm not
thinking about the rechargeable battery of your laptop, but about a
CR2032, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CR2032_battery .

Those batteries are that inexpensive, that in a case of doubt, it should
be replaced. I know it's not very nice regarding to environmentalism,
but the battery could cause issues. You don't need to throw away the old
battery, if it shouldn't be weak, but anyway, test what happens, if you
replace the battery.

Regards,
Ralf



==
Ralf -

Thanks.

I replaced the battery.  Did not help.

Ethan


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Re: SSDT - Any more ideas??

2013-03-17 Thread Ethan Rosenberg, PhD


On 03/17/2013 12:46 AM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/03/13 12:29 AM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:


On 03/16/2013 11:27 AM, Mark Neidorff wrote:

 Dear list -

  When I boot my Debian [6.0.1] I receive a message SSDT not 
found.

   How do I fix it?

  Thanks.

  Ethan

Did you check the media that you booted from and make sure that it
passedthe MD5SUM or other test?


  I bought this laptop from eBay as a used unit. It had Windows XP 
loaded
when received, and displayed the same problem..  I installed the 
Debian

from official disks.

  Ethan


Ethan,

We (the list) like Good Questions (TM).  Your first question did 
not qualify,
and with the additional information that you provided, it still does 
not

qualify as a Good Question.

What we know:
you got an error
it is a laptop
you bought it sight unseen
it had Windows XP on it
you got the error with XP
you installed Debian on it
you got the same error with Debian

Just some of the things that we (the list)don't know, and we need to 
know to

help you solve this problem:
how old is it 2007
how much memory does it have 2G
what is the brand  Dell Latitude D630
what processor does it have  Intel Duo Core 2.2G
what disk drive does it have and what is its capacity  160G
what bios does it have Dell A13
is the bios up to date or is there a newer version available  
Latest A17.


Given what little information you have provided we think that:
There is perhaps a bios problem
the problem is not related to Debian or XP since it occurs when you 
boot

either one.

It was suggested that you:
Go into the bios and reset it to factory default.  DONE

 If that fixes the problem,  It didn't

you are all set.


If not, the computer may have a very limited life left.  OUCH!


Did

you reset the bios?  Yes (You did not say if you tried that)
Make sure that the computer has the latest version of the bios 
installed.  Did

you check the version of the bios?  Y



What is the result of updating the bios?  It is not obvious to me 
how to do it.  All the documentation refers to a Windows/DOS system. 
Would someone please walk me thru it.



Thanks for your help and constructive criticism.

Ethan



Updating the BIOS depends on the computer. Many BIOS can now update 
directly from a USB stick (usually required to be formatted as FAT16 
or FAT32 and containing the BIOS file) but older ones need to run a 
DOS program from a machine booted into a special (DOS) mode.


If your machine can boot from a floppy (remember those?), that's easy 
but if it can't it's a little trickier. There's no end of ways to 
format a bootable DOS floppy disk and copy the installer and BIOS to 
them.


If you have a machine without a floppy drive, you need to create a 
boot disk (CD or USB stick) that boots to a DOS command prompt and 
that contains the updated BIOS and the BIOS installer. Where it gets 
tricky is that MS-DOS doesn't recognize either device without drivers, 
and may not recognize a USB stick at all. Do some research on FreeDOS.


Another option is to boot into Windows. Some manufactures now provide 
a Windows program to update the BIOS. However, if you don't have 
Windows installed, and why would you just to update the BIOS, then you 
are again out of luck.




Gary -

Thanks.

I tried to remove the HTML from this message, but Icedove will not let 
me do it.  The preference for the user list is plain text...so I do not 
know. My apologies to you and the list.


Thanks for the above.  Looking at the documentation, I think if I plug 
in a USB stick and then start the computer, go into the bios and set the 
boot to the USB stick, it should work.


Some practical questions:

USB stick: Size ?GB
 Format [FAT16/FAT32]??
 Boot into [DOS]?

Ethan

PS Please define Good Questions (TM) I'm new at this, and do not want 
to step on anyone's toes.



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Re: su - timeout for dbus/system_bus_socket if $DISPLAY set but unreachable

2013-03-17 Thread Bob Proulx
Sven Uhlig wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:
  getent baldur.asgard

 That is why I used C's getnameinfo().
 
 How should getent work?
 
 # getent baldur.asgard
 Unknown database: baldur.asgard

Sorry.  That was a bad example on my part.  The first parameter is the
map name and the second is the key to look up in it.

  getent hosts baldur.asgard

Other uses are for looking up passwd, group, aliases, and so forth.
Here are some additional examples of usage.

  $ getent aliases root
  root:   b...@proulx.com

  $ getent passwd rwp
  rwp:x:1000:1000:Bob Proulx:/home/bob:/bin/bash

  $ getent group staff
  staff:x:50:rwp

  $ getent hosts www.example.com
  2001:500:88:200::10 www.example.com

IPv6.  I guess I should have specified one of these:

  $ getent ahosts www.example.com
  192.0.43.10 STREAM www.example.com
  192.0.43.10 DGRAM  
  192.0.43.10 RAW
  2001:500:88:200::10 STREAM 
  2001:500:88:200::10 DGRAM  
  2001:500:88:200::10 RAW

  $ getent ahostsv4 www.example.com
  192.0.43.10 STREAM 43-10.any.icann.org
  192.0.43.10 DGRAM  
  192.0.43.10 RAW

  $ getent ahostsv6 www.example.com
  2001:500:88:200::10 STREAM www.example.com
  2001:500:88:200::10 DGRAM  
  2001:500:88:200::10 RAW

For just normal use I prefer the bind9-host command version of host
for the most friendly lookup format.

  $ host www.example.com
  www.example.com has address 192.0.43.10
  www.example.com has IPv6 address 2001:500:88:200::10

  $ host -t a www.example.com
  www.example.com has address 192.0.43.10

 Nevermind, my problem is solved, see mail by Clive Standbridge. :)

Yay!

Bob


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Re: using microphone

2013-03-17 Thread Rob Owens
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 04:14:55PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
 I think this message may lack informations, but I have no idea
 about what I can give except those one...
 
 OK, so you've established that your microphone is working. You don't
 normally want to hear your voice back when you speak into it, so mute
 the microphone output (but not the input). You should be able to use
 the sound recorder to still record your voice and play it back but
 you
 won't hear it when speaking.
 
 Skype has a pulldown menu  at the bottom left of the skype window.
 Select Options | Sound Devices and try the different microphone
 devices until you find one that works with the Skype test call.
 
 Sounds like I did not explained the problem correctly, so let me retry.
 
 I have established that the microphone works, yes, because when I
 unmute it in alsamixer, I can hear back my voice amplified.
 But I did not found any way to use it into skype or mumble (I did
 not tried other softwares).
 
 I do not know how to mute only the microphone output but not the input?
 
In the alsamixer window, note the View field in the top-left corner.
You can hit F3 to show just playback, F4 to show just Capture, or F5 to
show all.  I think what you have unmuted is the playback of your
microphone.  You want to look at the Capture screen and make sure that
the microphone is unmuted and set to an appropriate level (set it really
high for testing).

The playback (or monitoring) level of your microphone is independent of
the capture level of your microphone.

Some sound cards also have choices for whether your input is a
microphone or a line-in jack.  Those cards can process input from either
source, but not both at the same time.  A microphone source requires
more amplification than a line-in, so you probably want to have
microphone selected, rather than line-in.

Good luck!

-Rob


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Re: SSDT - Any more ideas??

2013-03-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:13:58 +0100, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD
erosenb...@hygeiabiomedical.com wrote:



On 03/17/2013 12:46 AM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/03/13 12:29 AM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:


On 03/16/2013 11:27 AM, Mark Neidorff wrote:

how old is it 2007
how much memory does it have 2G
what is the brand  Dell Latitude D630
what processor does it have  Intel Duo Core 2.2G
what disk drive does it have and what is its capacity  160G
what bios does it have Dell A13
is the bios up to date or is there a newer version available   
Latest A17.



Go into the bios and reset it to factory default.  DONE

 If that fixes the problem,  It didn't


Updating the BIOS depends on the computer. Many BIOS can now update  
directly from a USB stick (usually required to be formatted as FAT16 or  
FAT32 and containing the BIOS file)



USB stick: Size ?GB
  Format [FAT16/FAT32]??
  Boot into [DOS]?


Ok, now we know the above and that the new battery also doesn't solve the
issue.

Now you should update the BIOS.
USB sticks usually are formatted with fat32 by default and that should be
ok for the BIOS.

Latest BIOS version at  
http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/uk/en/ukdhs1/Product/latitude-d630 is

A18.

spinymouse11.2@suse11-2:~ ls -hl Desktop/
total 1.2M
-rw-r--r-- 1 spinymouse11.2 users 1.2M 2013-03-17 21:43 D630_A18.exe

The smallest USB stick should be ok regarding to the file size, but I  
suspect you need to build a DOS CD or something similar to run the exe. I  
can't help you with this, perhaps somebody else does know how to continue.


I wonder if it would be possible to run the exe from a Linux live media,  
assumed there should be one providing wine.



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Re: SSDT - Any more ideas??

2013-03-17 Thread Mark Neidorff
On Sunday 17 March 2013 3:13:58 pm Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:
SNIP

 
 PS Please define Good Questions (TM) I'm new at this, and do not want
 to step on anyone's toes.

Please read the following web page.  

http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Follow the guidelines there and you've got it!


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Re: SSDT - Any more ideas??

2013-03-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:06:30 +0100, Mark Neidorff m...@neidorff.com  
wrote:

On Sunday 17 March 2013 3:13:58 pm Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:

PS Please define Good Questions (TM) I'm new at this, and do not want
to step on anyone's toes.


Please read the following web page.

http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Follow the guidelines there and you've got it!


Don't worry about that now, but after the current issue is solved, please  
also take care about


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style


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Re: SSDT - Any more ideas??

2013-03-17 Thread Gary Dale

On 17/03/13 03:13 PM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:


On 03/17/2013 12:46 AM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/03/13 12:29 AM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:


On 03/16/2013 11:27 AM, Mark Neidorff wrote:

 Dear list -

  When I boot my Debian [6.0.1] I receive a message SSDT not 
found.

   How do I fix it?

  Thanks.

  Ethan

Did you check the media that you booted from and make sure that it
passedthe MD5SUM or other test?


  I bought this laptop from eBay as a used unit. It had Windows XP 
loaded
when received, and displayed the same problem..  I installed the 
Debian

from official disks.

  Ethan


Ethan,

We (the list) like Good Questions (TM).  Your first question did 
not qualify,
and with the additional information that you provided, it still 
does not

qualify as a Good Question.

What we know:
you got an error
it is a laptop
you bought it sight unseen
it had Windows XP on it
you got the error with XP
you installed Debian on it
you got the same error with Debian

Just some of the things that we (the list)don't know, and we need 
to know to

help you solve this problem:
how old is it 2007
how much memory does it have 2G
what is the brand  Dell Latitude D630
what processor does it have  Intel Duo Core 2.2G
what disk drive does it have and what is its capacity  160G
what bios does it have Dell A13
is the bios up to date or is there a newer version available  
Latest A17.


Given what little information you have provided we think that:
There is perhaps a bios problem
the problem is not related to Debian or XP since it occurs when you 
boot

either one.

It was suggested that you:
Go into the bios and reset it to factory default.  DONE

 If that fixes the problem,  It didn't

you are all set.


If not, the computer may have a very limited life left.  OUCH!


Did

you reset the bios?  Yes (You did not say if you tried that)
Make sure that the computer has the latest version of the bios 
installed.  Did

you check the version of the bios?  Y



What is the result of updating the bios?  It is not obvious to me 
how to do it.  All the documentation refers to a Windows/DOS system. 
Would someone please walk me thru it.



Thanks for your help and constructive criticism.

Ethan



Updating the BIOS depends on the computer. Many BIOS can now update 
directly from a USB stick (usually required to be formatted as FAT16 
or FAT32 and containing the BIOS file) but older ones need to run a 
DOS program from a machine booted into a special (DOS) mode.


If your machine can boot from a floppy (remember those?), that's easy 
but if it can't it's a little trickier. There's no end of ways to 
format a bootable DOS floppy disk and copy the installer and BIOS to 
them.


If you have a machine without a floppy drive, you need to create a 
boot disk (CD or USB stick) that boots to a DOS command prompt and 
that contains the updated BIOS and the BIOS installer. Where it gets 
tricky is that MS-DOS doesn't recognize either device without 
drivers, and may not recognize a USB stick at all. Do some research 
on FreeDOS.


Another option is to boot into Windows. Some manufactures now provide 
a Windows program to update the BIOS. However, if you don't have 
Windows installed, and why would you just to update the BIOS, then 
you are again out of luck.




Gary -

Thanks.

I tried to remove the HTML from this message, but Icedove will not let 
me do it.  The preference for the user list is plain text...so I do 
not know. My apologies to you and the list.


Thanks for the above.  Looking at the documentation, I think if I plug 
in a USB stick and then start the computer, go into the bios and set 
the boot to the USB stick, it should work.


Some practical questions:

USB stick: Size ?GB
 Format [FAT16/FAT32]??
 Boot into [DOS]?

Ethan

PS Please define Good Questions (TM) I'm new at this, and do not 
want to step on anyone's toes.




Booting from the USB stick only works if you can run the BIOS installer 
from it. I think DosBox might help but I haven't tried it in a while.



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Re: Debian sid, PHP cli, xdebug, set_error_handler, mysql_list_dbs, throw = Segmentation fault

2013-03-17 Thread Jerry Stuckle

On 3/17/2013 2:54 PM, Sven Uhlig wrote:

On 17.03.2013 16:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 3/17/2013 9:20 AM, Sven Uhlig wrote:

The following PHP code exits in segmentation fault.

?php
function error_handler() {
throw new Exception;
}
set_error_handler('error_handler');
mysql_list_dbs();
?

No segmentation fault if I do either of these things:
1) disable xdebug
2) don't set_error_handler
3) don't throw exception
4) throw exception after mysql_list_dbs but outside of error_handler

As I only wanted to use mysql_list_dbs() for testing purposes I don't
need an alternative solution. I know that this function is deprecated in
PHP5.4.

Some technical details:
$ strace php test.php 21 |tail -n 3
read(3, \7\0\0\2\0\0\0\2\0\0\0, 16384) = 11
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

$ php -v
PHP 5.4.4-14 (cli) (built: Mar  4 2013 14:08:43)
Copyright (c) 1997-2012 The PHP Group
Zend Engine v2.4.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2012 Zend Technologies
  with Xdebug v2.2.1, Copyright (c) 2002-2012, by Derick Rethans

$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free
deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free

# (apt-get update  apt-get upgrade)|tail -n 1
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

# uname -a
Linux baldur 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.39-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux


Impossible to tell from the (lack of) information you supplied.


What do you need?


However,
personally, I would start with xdebug.  I've seen more problems with it
than anything else in your list.  I finally got rid of it.


As stated above, disabling xdebug does the trick. But that cannot be a
permanent solution and I think a segmentation fault is always worth fixing.

Sven.




Well, if it happened to me, I'd get a dump of the problem, preferably 
with a debug version of the binaries, and a trace leading up to the 
problem.  Then I'd dig in and see where the problem lies.


But as I said before - my suspicion would be xdebug.


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Re: SSDT - Any more ideas??

2013-03-17 Thread Ethan Rosenberg, PhD

On 03/17/2013 04:53 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:13:58 +0100, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD
erosenb...@hygeiabiomedical.com wrote:



On 03/17/2013 12:46 AM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 17/03/13 12:29 AM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:


On 03/16/2013 11:27 AM, Mark Neidorff wrote:

how old is it 2007
how much memory does it have 2G
what is the brand  Dell Latitude D630
what processor does it have  Intel Duo Core 2.2G
what disk drive does it have and what is its capacity  160G
what bios does it have Dell A13
is the bios up to date or is there a newer version available 
Latest A17.



Go into the bios and reset it to factory default.  DONE

If that fixes the problem,  It didn't



Updating the BIOS depends on the computer. Many BIOS can now update
directly from a USB stick (usually required to be formatted as FAT16
or FAT32 and containing the BIOS file)



USB stick: Size ?GB
Format [FAT16/FAT32]??
Boot into [DOS]?


Ok, now we know the above and that the new battery also doesn't solve the
issue.

Now you should update the BIOS.
USB sticks usually are formatted with fat32 by default and that should be
ok for the BIOS.

Latest BIOS version at
http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/uk/en/ukdhs1/Product/latitude-d630 is
A18.

spinymouse11.2@suse11-2:~ ls -hl Desktop/
total 1.2M
-rw-r--r-- 1 spinymouse11.2 users 1.2M 2013-03-17 21:43 D630_A18.exe

The smallest USB stick should be ok regarding to the file size, but I
suspect you need to build a DOS CD or something similar to run the exe.
I can't help you with this, perhaps somebody else does know how to
continue.

I wonder if it would be possible to run the exe from a Linux live media,
assumed there should be one providing wine.



==
Dear All -

[So many of you have helped, that I do not know to whom this should be 
addressed].


This seems to imply that booting off a USB stick should work.
What is my error if I am mis-stating this.


File Format:Non-PackagedGet Driver Download File
Add To My Download List Add to My Download List
File Name:  

D630_A18.exe
Description: 	This file format consists of a BIOS executable file. To 
use it, download the file and copy it to a DOS-bootable diskette. With 
the diskette in the floppy drive, reboot the system and run the program.

Download Type:  HTTP
File Size:  1MB

I do not have a floppy drive on the laptop.

Ethan


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Re: SSDT - Any more ideas??

2013-03-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:
 This seems to imply that booting off a USB stick should work.
 What is my error if I am mis-stating this.

You need a DOS boot image you can boot from a USB stick, or (if your laptop
has a CD drive, from a CD).

http://derek.chezmarcotte.ca/?p=188

Please be careful when you write that image to the USB stick, make sure to
not get the /dev/sdX device name wrong, or you can cause data loss.

After the image has been written to the USB stick, you can access it by
removing the USB stick, and inserting it again.  Copy the .EXE file into the
USB stick, boot it, and run the .EXE command.

-- 
  One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh


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Re: Seeking advise on changing names of target in dm-crypt

2013-03-17 Thread green
J.A. de Vries wrote at 2013-03-17 13:46 -0500:
 I have been messing around with fstab, crypttab, blkid.tab, grub and
 initramfs and every time a new dependency rears its ugly head. The
 system still keeps asking for the original name of the partition with /
 on it. I am thinking of giving up and just starting anew (reinstall).
 That'll probably cost me less time. It's not the way I like to do
 things, but I just don't have time to solve this mess.

Have you run `update-initramfs -u`?


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