Re: le micro intégré dans mon PC ne marche plus...

2014-02-13 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Bonjour,

Le jeudi 13 février 2014 à  0:51, Patrick Carabin a écrit :
j'ai alors installé «pavucontrol», le contrôle que je n'avais pas
 vu au départ, et je l'ai lancé. J'ai pu utiliser le micro interne,
 mais les hauts-parleurs et le casque ont cessé de fonctionner.
 
Je suis sorti de «pavucontrol» et, par chance, le micro interne
 fonctionne toujours. Le casque a recommencé à fonctionner...
 
Tout ça est plutôt bizarre... Qqn aurait-il une explication (
 surtout pour savoir ce que je dois faire si ça se reproduit
 spontanément, à l'insu de mon plein gré?

« pavucontrol » est un outil de pilotage de PulseAudio. Visiblement ça fait de
l'effet, l'audio de ta machine doit donc être géré par PulseAudio.

Si ça se reproduit, il suffira de re-lancer pavucontrol pour re-configurer
PulseAudio. 

Seb

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Re: Fichiers manquants sur ftp.be.debian.org pour faire un apt-update

2014-02-13 Thread C. Mourad Jaber

Le 12/02/2014 00:18, Bzzz a écrit :

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:25:11 +0100
Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be wrote:

#!/bin/sh

rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*
apt-get clean
apt-get update


Cela résout le problème une seule fois !!!

C'est un peu surprenant comme comportement...

Y aurait-t-il une solution plus durable qu'un script qui réinitialise les données des 
miroirs ?


++

Mourad

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Re: le micro intégré dans mon PC ne marche plus...

2014-02-13 Thread Patrick Carabin
Merci beaucoup,

la prochaine fois je saurai tout de suite ce que je dois faire!

Patrick.

Le 13/02/2014, Sébastien NOBILIsebnewslet...@free.fr a écrit :
 Bonjour,

 Le jeudi 13 février 2014 à  0:51, Patrick Carabin a écrit :
j'ai alors installé «pavucontrol», le contrôle que je n'avais pas
 vu au départ, et je l'ai lancé. J'ai pu utiliser le micro interne,
 mais les hauts-parleurs et le casque ont cessé de fonctionner.

Je suis sorti de «pavucontrol» et, par chance, le micro interne
 fonctionne toujours. Le casque a recommencé à fonctionner...

Tout ça est plutôt bizarre... Qqn aurait-il une explication (
 surtout pour savoir ce que je dois faire si ça se reproduit
 spontanément, à l'insu de mon plein gré?

 « pavucontrol » est un outil de pilotage de PulseAudio. Visiblement ça fait
 de
 l'effet, l'audio de ta machine doit donc être géré par PulseAudio.

 Si ça se reproduit, il suffira de re-lancer pavucontrol pour re-configurer
 PulseAudio.

 Seb

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Problème de suppression de paquets

2014-02-13 Thread steve
  Salut,

  J'ai une nouvelle carte graphique (GeForce GTX 660) et en essayant
  d'installer le driver via aptitude, ça a complètement merdé (pas
  trouvé le driver). J'ai donc décidé de supprimer tous les paquets en
  rapport avec nvidia et ça foire avec le paquet
  xserver-xorg-video-nvidia, qui refuse soit de s'installer soit de se
  désinstaller. J'essaie de désinstaller paquet après paquet en suivant
  les dépendances, mais aptitude bloque sur le paquet et ne veut pas
  aller plus loin. Je tourne donc en rond. Quelle stratégie utiliser
  pour m'en sortir ? 

Merci,
s.
Lecture des listes de paquets...
Construction de l'arbre des dépendances...
Lecture des informations d'état...
Lecture de l'information d'état étendu...
Initialisation de l'état des paquets...
Lecture des descriptions de tâches...
Les paquets partiellement installés suivants seront configurés : 
  nvidia-glx 
Aucun paquet ne va être installé, mis à jour ou enlevé.
0 paquets mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour.
Il est nécessaire de télécharger 0 o/2'267 ko d'archives. Après dépaquetage, 0 
o seront utilisés.
dpkg: erreur de traitement de xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (--configure) :
 le paquet xserver-xorg-video-nvidia n'est pas prêt pour la configuration
 configuration impossible (état actuel « half-installed »)
dpkg: des problèmes de dépendances empêchent la configuration de nvidia-glx :
 nvidia-glx dépend de xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (= 304.88-1+deb7u1) ; cependant 
:
  Le paquet xserver-xorg-video-nvidia n'est pas installé.

dpkg: erreur de traitement de nvidia-glx (--configure) :
 problèmes de dépendances - laissé non configuré
Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia
 nvidia-glx
localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 0 KiB
localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/man: 0 KiB
localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/gnome/help: 0 KiB
localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/omf: 0 KiB
localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML: 0 KiB

Total disk space freed by localepurge: 0 KiB

Lecture des listes de paquets...
Construction de l'arbre des dépendances...
Lecture des informations d'état...
Lecture de l'information d'état étendu...
Initialisation de l'état des paquets...
Lecture des descriptions de tâches...


Re: Problème de suppression de paquets

2014-02-13 Thread Philippe Gras

apt-get remove --purge nom-du-paquet-1 nom-du-paquet-2 nom-du-paquet-3
apt-get autoremove

Le 13 févr. 14 à 16:48, steve a écrit :


  Salut,

  J'ai une nouvelle carte graphique (GeForce GTX 660) et en essayant
  d'installer le driver via aptitude, ça a complètement merdé (pas
  trouvé le driver). J'ai donc décidé de supprimer tous les paquets en
  rapport avec nvidia et ça foire avec le paquet
  xserver-xorg-video-nvidia, qui refuse soit de s'installer soit de se
  désinstaller. J'essaie de désinstaller paquet après paquet en  
suivant

  les dépendances, mais aptitude bloque sur le paquet et ne veut pas
  aller plus loin. Je tourne donc en rond. Quelle stratégie utiliser
  pour m'en sortir ?

Merci,
s.aptitude.log


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Re: Problème de suppression de paquets

2014-02-13 Thread maderios

On 02/13/2014 04:48 PM, steve wrote:

   Salut,

   J'ai une nouvelle carte graphique (GeForce GTX 660) et en essayant
   d'installer le driver via aptitude, ça a complètement merdé (pas
   trouvé le driver). J'ai donc décidé de supprimer tous les paquets en
   rapport avec nvidia et ça foire avec le paquet
   xserver-xorg-video-nvidia, qui refuse soit de s'installer soit de se
   désinstaller. J'essaie de désinstaller paquet après paquet en suivant
   les dépendances, mais aptitude bloque sur le paquet et ne veut pas
   aller plus loin. Je tourne donc en rond. Quelle stratégie utiliser
   pour m'en sortir ?


Ne pas utiliser aptitude mais Synaptic, bcp plus simple pour les 
débutants et  les fainéants (comme moi).


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Re: Problème de suppression de paquets

2014-02-13 Thread steve
Le 13-02-2014, à 17:47:29 +0100, Philippe Gras a écrit :

 apt-get remove --purge nom-du-paquet-1 nom-du-paquet-2 nom-du-paquet-3
 apt-get autoremove
  
  Marche pas.

update-alternative: avertissement: forçage de la réinstallation de
l'aternative /usr/lib/nvidia/current car le groupe de liens glx est
cassé.

E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1).

@Madeiros: peux pas utiliser synaptic, pas de X.

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Re: Problème de suppression de paquets

2014-02-13 Thread steve
  J'ai récupéré le système en virant tous les fichiers dans
  /usr/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia* et ensuite apt-get purge ...


Le 13-02-2014, à 18:49:54 +0100, steve a écrit :

 Le 13-02-2014, à 17:47:29 +0100, Philippe Gras a écrit :
 
  apt-get remove --purge nom-du-paquet-1 nom-du-paquet-2 nom-du-paquet-3
  apt-get autoremove
   
   Marche pas.
 
 update-alternative: avertissement: forçage de la réinstallation de
 l'aternative /usr/lib/nvidia/current car le groupe de liens glx est
 cassé.
 
 E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1).
 
 @Madeiros: peux pas utiliser synaptic, pas de X.
 
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Re: exit Libre Office 3 pour Libre Office 4.1.4 sur squeeze

2014-02-13 Thread nono
salut
merci à vous tous pour vos réponses. Je vais voir cela ce WE si j'ai un
peu de temps... en ce moment pas trop de temps à y consacrer mais j'ai
bien noté vos solutions (que j'ignorai).

merci

nono

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Re: Problème de suppression de paquets

2014-02-13 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
Bonjour,

j'ai une remarque à faire concernant la rédaction erronnée de la 
réponse suivante :

-a)  /usr/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia*
-b) apt-get purge


la véritable réponse et correctement rédigée :

-a) /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia*
-b) apt-get remove --purge nvidia*


slt
bernard





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Re: Duda Sarg en Webmin [SOLUCIONADO]

2014-02-13 Thread Roberto

El 04/02/2014 23:49, William Romero escribió:



Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 19:42:00 -0300
From: sisisi...@yahoo.com.ar
To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Duda Sarg en Webmin

El 04/02/2014 07:03 p.m., William Romero escribió:

Hola Lista.

Tengo un problema con el sarg, instale el modulo en el webmin y todo ok , luego 
ingreso a sarg desde la opcion de http.//IP/sarg y veo los reportes normal.

pero mi intension es ver este reporte dentro del webmin el cual no lo encuentro 
pese a tener instalado el modulo para webmin.

alguna idea.


salud2

William Romero


Por lo que tengo entedido Webmin es para configurar un servicio... pero
igual fijate que en el árbol de la izquierda donde están, por ejemplo,
Awstats puede ser que esté lo que vos buscás...


Gracias Ariel.
Estuve buscando en el arbol de la izquierda pero no encontraba nada , el 
problema se dio en que cuando instalas el modulo en el webmin por defecto coge 
la ruta usr/local/sarg/sarg_conf

bien esta linea lo cambie /etc/sarg/sarg.conf y quedo.
Ya puedo ver los reportes desde el webmin.

salu2s y gracias



Tienes que configuar Webmin para especificar la distribución linux ya 
que los archivos de configuración cambian de sitio entre distros.



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rsync=PENDING

2014-02-13 Thread Mauro Antivero
Estimados, en el día de hoy uno de los servidores del lugar donde 
trabajo nos sorprendió al quedarse clavado. El mismo cumple varias 
tareas, siendo las principales la de firewall / router y base de datos 
(MySQL). La cuestión es que seguía respondiendo a algunas de sus 
funciones (por ejemplo el ruteo del tráfico) y a otras no (por ejemplo 
MySQL) y la interfaz por consola estaba completamente colgada. Si uno 
por teclado cambiaba de escritorio (Alt + F1, F2, etc.) las consolas 
cambiaban, pero después no era posible siquiera escribir el nombre de 
usuario para acceder, lo que uno tipeaba no aparecía en pantalla. No 
quedó otra que un apagado forzoso.


Luego, al iniciar parece que todo arrancó bien (ruteo, firewall, base de 
datos, acceso SSH, etc.) pero nos encontramos con esto al hacer un cat 
/proc/mdstat:


cat /proc/mdstat

Personalities : [raid1]
md0 : active raid1 sda3[2] sdb3[1]
  472759160 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]

md2 : active raid1 sda2[2] sdb2[1]
  9764792 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]

md1 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1]
  5857268 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]

Es decir que algo pasa con md1, la cual es la partición correspondiente 
a la SWAP.


Estuve leyendo un poco y por tdos lados encontré que lo que hay 
que hacer cuando esto pasa es forzar la sincronización a través del 
siguiente comando:


mdadm --readwrite /dev/md1

Pero lo que no he encontrado por ningún lado es como hacer para ver qué 
es lo que pudo haber causado este problema y es por eso que acudo a ustedes.


La sincronización de momento no la he realizado, ya que estoy tratando 
de ver que es lo que pasó. De momento en los logs no encuentro nada que 
me resulte extraño.


Por cierto, estos son los datos del Sistema:

Debian Squeeze 64 Bits
Kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64
Dell PowerEdge R210-II

Información de los HDD (2 x 500 GB en RAID1 por software):

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x

Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00065225

Díganme si he omitido alguna información interesante.

Les agradecería cualquier comentario que puedan hacer al respecto.

Saludos, Mauro.


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Re: Wine no ve impresoras de CUPS [SOLUCIONADO]

2014-02-13 Thread Mario A. Guerra

El 12/02/14 11:45, Camaleón escribió:

El Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:52:06 -0300, Mario A. Guerra escribió:


¿Hay alguien que le haya pasado algo similar?
Tengo instalado en una maquina Debian Testing amd64 los siguientes
paquetes (entre otros):
- wine 1.6.2 - libwine-print:i386 - cups - cups-pdf - hplip -
suld-driver-4.01.17

Desde linux se puede imprimir sin problemas en la impresora virtual PDF
y en una impresora local USB (una laser Samsumg), todo se ve bien desde
la interface web de CUPS y se imprime Ok. El usuario pertenece a los
grupos lp y lpadmin.

Pero si hago $ wine notepad (sobre un ~/.wine recién recreado) no ve
ninguna de las impresoras de CUPS, dice que no encuentra ninguna
impresora, ¿que debo instalarle una via el instalador de Windows?

¿Por que las impresoras de CUPS no aparecen en Wine?
¿alguna forma de hacer debug del problema?


¿Ya revisaste alguna documentación al respecto? Por ejemplo:

4.3.4. Printers
https://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/misc-things-to-configure

Configuring Wine for Printing
http://www.witch.westfalen.de/Wine-HOWTO/wineprintconfig.html

Saludos,



Gracias por los links, ya había andado por ahí y había buscado el 
problema en Internet, pero no encontraba nada concluyente. Como 
referencia les comento que luego de hacer $ wine notepad e ir a la 
opción Configuración impresora... cada vez aparecía en consola el mensaje:


fixme:winspool:WINSPOOL_EnumPrintersW We don't handle 
PRINTER_ENUM_CONNECTIONS


y luego una caja de dialogo donde pedía instalar al menos una impresora 
(para poder enumerar la lista de impresoras).


El tema lo resolví mirando una máquina similar con Testing amd64 y 
comparando paquete por paquete las versiones y lo que tenía o no 
instalado. Resulta que faltaba instalar un paquete (y sus dependencias). 
El problema se arregló al hacer (como root):


# apt-get install libcups2:i386

Para que esto funcione hay que tener habilitada como foreign la 
arquitectura i386 en amd64 (ya debiera estar asi si es que wine está 
funcionando). La máquina ya tenia instalada la libcups2 para amd64, pero 
esa no le sirve a Wine. No queda claro que sea una dependencia estricta 
(ya que al parecer wine podría imprimir sin cups, o al menos antes 
podía). Pero quizás debiera venir en la lista de paquetes sugeridos o 
recomendados de libwine. Revisando, en la lista de sugeridos aparece 
cups-bsd, por lo que tal vez falte ajustar algo referido a multiarch en 
el armado de esos paquetes.


Saludos







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Re: Recomendacion de diccionario offline

2014-02-13 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:32:01 +0100, Marco Ippolito escribió:

 On 10 Feb 2014, at 15:22, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 El Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:00:58 -0400, luis escribió:
 
 Buenos días a todos
 
 Tengo instalado debian 7 a 64 bit y necesito tner un diccionario, cual
 me recomiendan instalar y que a su vez pueda descargar los
 diccionarios para usarlo OFFLINE.
 
 StarDict, GoldenDict o Babiloo.
 
 La base de datos de diccionarios creo que se descarga aparte.
 
 `apt-get install packagesearch' oferece una interfaz gráfica de usuario
 con la que puedes buscar por tag (e.g. categoría/Debtags)..

Hum... Pero eso no es un diccionario y para GUI ya existe Synaptic/
aptitude ¿no?

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Re: [OT] Re: Transferir sist operativo a una memoria flash desde Linux

2014-02-13 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:30:37 -0300, Pablo Jiménez escribió:

 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:03:43PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 El Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:40:47 -0400, luis escribió:
 
 Lo marco mo OT porque es un problema más de windows que de linux...
 
  Normalemnte yo hago booteable una memoria con sistema Linux con
  Unetbootin y es lo mejor, muy bueno.

(...)

 Veo dos complicaciones:
 
 1/ Que la versión de Windows pueda iniciar desde una llave USB.
 2/ Que arranque en un ordenador distinto donde estaba instalado.
 
 Yo probaría con alguna herramienta convencional (como la que comentas
 de Unetbootin) pero tengo muchas reservas sobre el resultado final ;-(
 
 Acá mencionan que es posible e indican un procedimiento:
 
 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html

Sí, los pasos que ponen son básicamente los que le comentaba. Pero no sé 
si todas las versiones de Windows lo admiten.

Otra cosa a tener en cuenta es que ahí están hablando de cómo instalar 
Windows 7 desde cero, por lo que aún tendría que generar la imagen ISO 
con el sistema actual. Y ver si arranca...

 No sé si Luis pueda acceder a ese sitio web, eso sí.

Si no tiene acceso que lo pida :-)

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Re: Wine no ve impresoras de CUPS [SOLUCIONADO]

2014-02-13 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:42:38 -0300, Mario A. Guerra escribió:

 El 12/02/14 11:45, Camaleón escribió:
 El Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:52:06 -0300, Mario A. Guerra escribió:

 ¿Hay alguien que le haya pasado algo similar?
 Tengo instalado en una maquina Debian Testing amd64 los siguientes
 paquetes (entre otros):
 - wine 1.6.2 - libwine-print:i386 - cups - cups-pdf - hplip -
 suld-driver-4.01.17

(...)

 ¿Por que las impresoras de CUPS no aparecen en Wine?
 ¿alguna forma de hacer debug del problema?

 ¿Ya revisaste alguna documentación al respecto? Por ejemplo:

 4.3.4. Printers
 https://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/misc-things-to-configure

 Configuring Wine for Printing
 http://www.witch.westfalen.de/Wine-HOWTO/wineprintconfig.html

(...)

 El tema lo resolví mirando una máquina similar con Testing amd64 y
 comparando paquete por paquete las versiones y lo que tenía o no
 instalado. Resulta que faltaba instalar un paquete (y sus dependencias).
 El problema se arregló al hacer (como root):
 
 # apt-get install libcups2:i386

Hum...

 Para que esto funcione hay que tener habilitada como foreign la
 arquitectura i386 en amd64 (ya debiera estar asi si es que wine está
 funcionando). La máquina ya tenia instalada la libcups2 para amd64, pero
 esa no le sirve a Wine. No queda claro que sea una dependencia estricta
 (ya que al parecer wine podría imprimir sin cups, o al menos antes
 podía). Pero quizás debiera venir en la lista de paquetes sugeridos o
 recomendados de libwine. Revisando, en la lista de sugeridos aparece
 cups-bsd, por lo que tal vez falte ajustar algo referido a multiarch en
 el armado de esos paquetes.

Sinceramente, prefiero que no venga como dependencia ni sugerida ni 
recomendada. Como bien dices, se trata de una biblioteca de 32 bits que 
no debería instalarse en entornos de 64 bits (como es tu caso). El 
problema lo origina wine o mejor dicho, la versión de Windows que tengas 
instalada, que seguramente sea de 32 bits, de ahí que necesite el paquete/
biblioteca de compatibilidad de 32 bits de CUPS.

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OT - Radios online de libre retransmisión

2014-02-13 Thread Mauro Antivero
Estimados, estoy viendo si existen radios online las cuales se puedan 
redistribuir (por ejemplo por aire) libremente. Conocen ustedes de algunas?


La idea como les decía es tomarlas por Internet y retransmitirlas ya sea 
por aire o en una grilla digital de Televisión / Radio.


Saludos y muchas gracias.

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Re: rsync=PENDING

2014-02-13 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:45:00 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió:

 Estimados, en el día de hoy uno de los servidores del lugar donde
 trabajo nos sorprendió al quedarse clavado. El mismo cumple varias
 tareas, siendo las principales la de firewall / router y base de datos
 (MySQL). La cuestión es que seguía respondiendo a algunas de sus
 funciones (por ejemplo el ruteo del tráfico) y a otras no (por ejemplo
 MySQL) y la interfaz por consola estaba completamente colgada. Si uno
 por teclado cambiaba de escritorio (Alt + F1, F2, etc.) las consolas
 cambiaban, pero después no era posible siquiera escribir el nombre de
 usuario para acceder, lo que uno tipeaba no aparecía en pantalla. No
 quedó otra que un apagado forzoso.
 
 Luego, al iniciar parece que todo arrancó bien (ruteo, firewall, base de
 datos, acceso SSH, etc.) pero nos encontramos con esto al hacer un cat
 /proc/mdstat:

(...)

 Pero lo que no he encontrado por ningún lado es como hacer para ver qué
 es lo que pudo haber causado este problema y es por eso que acudo a
 ustedes.

(...)

Ahí va mi teoría: 

La partición que tienes en raid1 para la memoria de intercambio ha tenido 
algún problema (time-out, desconexión leve/breve, etc... aunque esto si 
que debería de aparecer en los registros de mdadm o en el dmesg), el 
sistema (o las aplicaciones que estaban haciendo uso de /swap se ha 
quedado pillado y se ha vuelto inestable.

Después, al reiniciar el equipo a lo bruto para devolverlo a la vida, 
mdadm ha iniciado automáticamente la sincronización del volumen que tenía 
fallos y lo ha puesto en modo de sólo lectura pero entiendo que este 
comportamiento es normal (quizá configurable).

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RE: Duda Sarg en Webmin [SOLUCIONADO]

2014-02-13 Thread William Romero


 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:45:13 +0100
 From: i32lelor.deb...@gmail.com
 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Duda Sarg en Webmin [SOLUCIONADO]
 
 El 04/02/2014 23:49, William Romero escribió:
  
  Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 19:42:00 -0300
  From: sisisi...@yahoo.com.ar
  To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
  Subject: Re: Duda Sarg en Webmin
 
  El 04/02/2014 07:03 p.m., William Romero escribió:
  Hola Lista.
 
  Tengo un problema con el sarg, instale el modulo en el webmin y todo ok , 
  luego ingreso a sarg desde la opcion de http.//IP/sarg y veo los reportes 
  normal.
 
  pero mi intension es ver este reporte dentro del webmin el cual no lo 
  encuentro pese a tener instalado el modulo para webmin.
 
  alguna idea.
 
 
  salud2
 
  William Romero
 
  Por lo que tengo entedido Webmin es para configurar un servicio... pero
  igual fijate que en el árbol de la izquierda donde están, por ejemplo,
  Awstats puede ser que esté lo que vos buscás...
 
  Gracias Ariel.
  Estuve buscando en el arbol de la izquierda pero no encontraba nada , el 
  problema se dio en que cuando instalas el modulo en el webmin por defecto 
  coge la ruta usr/local/sarg/sarg_conf
 
  bien esta linea lo cambie /etc/sarg/sarg.conf y quedo.
  Ya puedo ver los reportes desde el webmin.
 
  salu2s y gracias
 
 
 Tienes que configuar Webmin para especificar la distribución linux ya 
 que los archivos de configuración cambian de sitio entre distros.
 
 
 -- 
si ya hice eso , ya lo tengo corriendo gracias .

slu2

William Romero 
 
  

Re: OT - Radios online de libre retransmisión

2014-02-13 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:21:30 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió:

 Estimados, estoy viendo si existen radios online las cuales se puedan
 redistribuir (por ejemplo por aire) libremente. Conocen ustedes de
 algunas?
 
 La idea como les decía es tomarlas por Internet y retransmitirlas ya sea
 por aire o en una grilla digital de Televisión / Radio.

Por aquí tienes algo por donde empezar:

http://radioo.org/

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Re: [OT] Re: Transferir sist operativo a una memoria flash desde Linux

2014-02-13 Thread Jorge A. Secreto
Hola

El día 13 de febrero de 2014, 11:12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:30:37 -0300, Pablo Jiménez escribió:

 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:03:43PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 El Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:40:47 -0400, luis escribió:

 Lo marco mo OT porque es un problema más de windows que de linux...

  Normalemnte yo hago booteable una memoria con sistema Linux con
  Unetbootin y es lo mejor, muy bueno.

 (...)

 Veo dos complicaciones:

 1/ Que la versión de Windows pueda iniciar desde una llave USB.
 2/ Que arranque en un ordenador distinto donde estaba instalado.

 Yo probaría con alguna herramienta convencional (como la que comentas
 de Unetbootin) pero tengo muchas reservas sobre el resultado final ;-(

 Acá mencionan que es posible e indican un procedimiento:

 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html

 Sí, los pasos que ponen son básicamente los que le comentaba. Pero no sé
 si todas las versiones de Windows lo admiten.

 Otra cosa a tener en cuenta es que ahí están hablando de cómo instalar
 Windows 7 desde cero, por lo que aún tendría que generar la imagen ISO
 con el sistema actual. Y ver si arranca...

 No sé si Luis pueda acceder a ese sitio web, eso sí.

 Si no tiene acceso que lo pida :-)

 Saludos,

 --
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Justo ayer tuve que instalar windows seven en una pc sin lectora de
dvd y salí a buscar un conversor de cd a usb.
Me decidí por YUMI (0) porque prometía, entre otras cosas, la
posibilidad de agregarle otros cds, a un usb ya creado.
Intente instalar la versión para debian en un squeeze y me dijo que no
podía resolver una dependencia con gambas, si no recuerdo mal.
Entonces traté de correr la versión para windows en una máquina
virtual, y no pude habilitar los puertos usb :-( [me tengo que dedicar
a otra cosa :-P ]
Ya como ultima opción, y para que no me dijeran no probaste, corrí
la versión para windows con wine.
¡¡Y funcionó como si hubiera estado hecho para eso!!!
Con una iso del dvd original de seven 64 armé un usb booteable en dos
patadas y lo instalé.
O sea, seven 64 instala desde usb sin problemas :-)
Y YUMI corre en wine.
(la versión para debian también corre en wheezy)
Espero que esto ayude.
Abrazos


(0) http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/

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Re: [OT] Re: Transferir sist operativo a una memoria flash desde Linux

2014-02-13 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:44:54 -0200, Jorge A. Secreto escribió:

 El día 13 de febrero de 2014, 11:12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

(...)

 Acá mencionan que es posible e indican un procedimiento:

 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-
drive.html

 Sí, los pasos que ponen son básicamente los que le comentaba. Pero no
 sé si todas las versiones de Windows lo admiten.

 Otra cosa a tener en cuenta es que ahí están hablando de cómo instalar
 Windows 7 desde cero, por lo que aún tendría que generar la imagen ISO
 con el sistema actual. Y ver si arranca...

(...)

 O sea, seven 64 instala desde usb sin problemas :-)
 Y YUMI corre en wine.
 (la versión para debian también corre en wheezy)

(...)

Estamos en las mismas.

Una cosa es instalarlo desde cero y otra que inicie correctamente un 
sistema clonado en un equipo distinto al que se ha instalado. 

Windows (cualquier versión) es muy pejiguero con el hardware, si detecta 
que un componente clave (p. ej., controladora de disco duro) es distinto 
al que ya tiene instalado en su base de datos (HAL) te inicia con un 
bonito pantallazo. Y ahí te deja amablemente para que lo repares :-)

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Re: [OT] Re: Transferir sist operativo a una memoria flash desde Linux

2014-02-13 Thread Jorge A. Secreto
El día 13 de febrero de 2014, 13:07, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:44:54 -0200, Jorge A. Secreto escribió:

 El día 13 de febrero de 2014, 11:12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 (...)

 Acá mencionan que es posible e indican un procedimiento:

 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-
 drive.html

 Sí, los pasos que ponen son básicamente los que le comentaba. Pero no
 sé si todas las versiones de Windows lo admiten.

 Otra cosa a tener en cuenta es que ahí están hablando de cómo instalar
 Windows 7 desde cero, por lo que aún tendría que generar la imagen ISO
 con el sistema actual. Y ver si arranca...

 (...)

 O sea, seven 64 instala desde usb sin problemas :-)
 Y YUMI corre en wine.
 (la versión para debian también corre en wheezy)

 (...)

 Estamos en las mismas.

 Una cosa es instalarlo desde cero y otra que inicie correctamente un
 sistema clonado en un equipo distinto al que se ha instalado.

 Windows (cualquier versión) es muy pejiguero con el hardware, si detecta
 que un componente clave (p. ej., controladora de disco duro) es distinto
 al que ya tiene instalado en su base de datos (HAL) te inicia con un
 bonito pantallazo. Y ahí te deja amablemente para que lo repares :-)

 Saludos,

 --
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Ups
Tenés razón.
Estaba seguro de que el hilo venía por el lado del instalador y ahora,
releyéndolo, me doy cuenta que dice  para transferir sistema Windows
a una memoria flash o pendrive
Estaba orinando levemente a la izquierda del recipiente :-P


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Re: rsync=PENDING

2014-02-13 Thread Alberto
El 13/02/14 12:45, Mauro Antivero escribió:
 Estimados, en el día de hoy uno de los servidores del lugar donde
 trabajo nos sorprendió al quedarse clavado. El mismo cumple varias
 tareas, siendo las principales la de firewall / router y base de datos
 (MySQL). La cuestión es que seguía respondiendo a algunas de sus
 funciones (por ejemplo el ruteo del tráfico) y a otras no (por ejemplo
 MySQL) y la interfaz por consola estaba completamente colgada. Si uno
 por teclado cambiaba de escritorio (Alt + F1, F2, etc.) las consolas
 cambiaban, pero después no era posible siquiera escribir el nombre de
 usuario para acceder, lo que uno tipeaba no aparecía en pantalla. No
 quedó otra que un apagado forzoso.
 
 Luego, al iniciar parece que todo arrancó bien (ruteo, firewall, base de
 datos, acceso SSH, etc.) pero nos encontramos con esto al hacer un cat
 /proc/mdstat:
 
 cat /proc/mdstat
 
 Personalities : [raid1]
 md0 : active raid1 sda3[2] sdb3[1]
   472759160 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
 
 md2 : active raid1 sda2[2] sdb2[1]
   9764792 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
 
 md1 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1]
   5857268 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
 
 Es decir que algo pasa con md1, la cual es la partición correspondiente
 a la SWAP.

Porque?
que te hace pensar que le pasa algo?

veo los 2 discos en el RAID operativos, esta sincronizando... todo bien

Si te refieres al read-only eso solo te esta diciendo que no se esta
accediendo al disco. Si es una particion normal, que no la tienes
montada. En tu caso, que dices que es Swap, o no esta activo el Swap
(cat /proc/swaps te lo dira) o bien, simplemente no esta utilizandose




 Estuve leyendo un poco y por tdos lados encontré que lo que hay
 que hacer cuando esto pasa es forzar la sincronización a través del
 siguiente comando:
 
 mdadm --readwrite /dev/md1
 
 Pero lo que no he encontrado por ningún lado es como hacer para ver qué
 es lo que pudo haber causado este problema y es por eso que acudo a
 ustedes.
 
 La sincronización de momento no la he realizado, ya que estoy tratando
 de ver que es lo que pasó. De momento en los logs no encuentro nada que
 me resulte extraño.
 
 Por cierto, estos son los datos del Sistema:
 
 Debian Squeeze 64 Bits
 Kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64
 Dell PowerEdge R210-II
 
 Información de los HDD (2 x 500 GB en RAID1 por software):
 
 Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
 Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
 I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
 Disk identifier: 0x
 
 Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
 Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
 I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
 Disk identifier: 0x00065225
 
 Díganme si he omitido alguna información interesante.
 
 Les agradecería cualquier comentario que puedan hacer al respecto.
 
 Saludos, Mauro.
 
 


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Alguien del Grupo usa IRSSI(Cliente IRC)

2014-02-13 Thread Carlos
Jose Maldonado, me habias preguntado si habia leido como funciona
irssi que funciona desde la consola.

No, no sabia pero busque info y creo que ya lo tengo.

Estoy usando el irssi, creo que podre encontrarme con alguien de uds.
Solo necesito el nombre del servidor y el canal.

 Carlos B. ;)



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libro del administrador debian

2014-02-13 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
buenas noches quisiera la vercion html del libro del administrador
debian en español


intente descargarlo con

 wget -r http://debian-handbook.info/browse/es-ES/stable/

pero estaba descargando un poco de cosas con un poco de idiomas y no
solo en español como queria

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Re: libro del administrador debian

2014-02-13 Thread Roger Orellana
On Feb 13, 2014 8:30 PM, Edward Villarroel (EDD) 
edward.villarr...@gmail.com wrote:

 buenas noches quisiera la vercion html del libro del administrador
 debian en español


 intente descargarlo con

  wget -r http://debian-handbook.info/browse/es-ES/stable/

 pero estaba descargando un poco de cosas con un poco de idiomas y no
 solo en español como queria

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Re: Alguien del Grupo usa IRSSI(Cliente IRC)

2014-02-13 Thread choff
El Thu, 13 Feb 2014 23:17:15 -0300
Carlos cab.s...@gmail.com escribió:
 Jose Maldonado, me habias preguntado si habia leido como funciona
 irssi que funciona desde la consola.
 
 No, no sabia pero busque info y creo que ya lo tengo.
 
 Estoy usando el irssi, creo que podre encontrarme con alguien de uds.
 Solo necesito el nombre del servidor y el canal.
 
  Carlos B. ;)
 
 
 

recientemente sigo la lista y tambien me pregunto si existe un canal en
irc


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Re: Alguien del Grupo usa IRSSI(Cliente IRC)

2014-02-13 Thread Ariel Martin Bellio

El 14/02/2014 01:53 a.m., choff escribió:

El Thu, 13 Feb 2014 23:17:15 -0300
Carlos cab.s...@gmail.com escribió:

Jose Maldonado, me habias preguntado si habia leido como funciona
irssi que funciona desde la consola.

No, no sabia pero busque info y creo que ya lo tengo.

Estoy usando el irssi, creo que podre encontrarme con alguien de uds.
Solo necesito el nombre del servidor y el canal.

  Carlos B. ;)




recientemente sigo la lista y tambien me pregunto si existe un canal en
irc



/server irc.freenode.net
/nick soynuevo
/join #debian-es

se puede registrar nick


:D
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Debian på min HP ProBok 4540s ?

2014-02-13 Thread Bengt Samuelsson


Debian på min HP ProBok 4540s ?

Jag har försökt att bota från CDn men får ingen bild jag kan läsa.
Testade med amd64 kanske fel version ?

Nån som vet mer

Bengt SM7JQB


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Re: Debian på min HP ProBok 4540s ?

2014-02-13 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:36 +0100, Bengt Samuelsson wrote:
  Debian på min HP ProBok 4540s ?
 
 Jag har försökt att bota från CDn men får ingen bild jag kan läsa.
 Testade med amd64 kanske fel version ?

amd64 är rätt, och själva hårdvaran verkar ha bra stöd under Debian:
https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Probook%204540s

Det jag funderar på är om UEFI eller SecureBoot kan ställa till det?

Vilken version av Debian försöker du installera, stable/wheezy?


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Re: Debian på min HP ProBok 4540s ?

2014-02-13 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 16:23 +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
 Det jag funderar på är om UEFI eller SecureBoot kan ställa till det?

Problem med UEFI verkar vara välkänt:
http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/

Se Errata, Potential issues with UEFI booting on amd64.

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Re: Debian på min HP ProBok 4540s ?

2014-02-13 Thread Sven Arvidsson
Du råkade maila mig personligen istället för listan. Jag har lagt
tillbaka listan i mitt svar, hoppas det är okej.


On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 17:33 +0100, Bengt Samuelsson wrote:
 Tittade på den sidan.
 Kan jag skicka en bild på datorn efter return tro och till vem ?

Vet inte om fler bugrapporter behövs, det verkar vara ett känt problem. 

  Vilken version av Debian försöker du installera, stable/wheezy?
 
 
 
 Den senaste, nytankad.
 Det som blir på skärmen efter start är en massa blurr helt oläsligt i 
 både grafiskt och text mode.

Senaste wheezy? Det finns även snapshot av den som fortfarande är under
utveckling, inte omöjligt att det fungerar bättre där:
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

Jag hade nog försökt med att se om det går att ändra BIOS-inställningar
i datorn så att den inte använder UEFI, det brukar heta nåt i stil med
Legacy BIOS.


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Re: Adaptador Wireless Usb chipset Ralink 5370

2014-02-13 Thread Rodolfo
Olha, acredito que dependa do Kernel, e não da distro em si, bom, é o que
acho, posso estar enganado já que não uso Ubuntu '-'


Em 12 de fevereiro de 2014 18:03, Fabio listas.gnu.li...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Pessoal só para confirmar, este adaptador funciona com Ubuntu Saucy?

 Agradeço

 Fabio



Re: Script comparação de datas

2014-02-13 Thread Bruno Schneider
2014-02-12 13:44 GMT-02:00 Rodolfo escreveu:
 Henrique, o comando que voce me passou funciona que e uma beleza, porem
 estou com um problema, preciso executar esse find em 3 pastas diferentes,
 ele executa, so que ele remove o conteudo das pastas quando nao era pra
 remover, ta assim meu script.
[...]

Rodolfo, acho que você está tentando reinventar a roda. Instale o
pacote tmpreaper, leia a documentação e use. :)

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Re: Script comparação de datas

2014-02-13 Thread Rodolfo
Vlw, vo da uma olhada nesse pacote.

Thanks.


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 2014-02-12 13:44 GMT-02:00 Rodolfo escreveu:
  Henrique, o comando que voce me passou funciona que e uma beleza, porem
  estou com um problema, preciso executar esse find em 3 pastas diferentes,
  ele executa, so que ele remove o conteudo das pastas quando nao era pra
  remover, ta assim meu script.
 [...]

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Re: Adaptador Wireless Usb chipset Ralink 5370

2014-02-13 Thread Gunther Furtado
https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb

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Em 13 de fevereiro de 2014 09:38, Rodolfo rof20...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Olha, acredito que dependa do Kernel, e não da distro em si, bom, é o que
 acho, posso estar enganado já que não uso Ubuntu '-'


 Em 12 de fevereiro de 2014 18:03, Fabio listas.gnu.li...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Pessoal só para confirmar, este adaptador funciona com Ubuntu Saucy?

 Agradeço

 Fabio





Socorro - Recuperação de Arquivos apagados!

2014-02-13 Thread Fagner Patricio
Olá Pessoal!

Hoje foi daqueles dias em que você faz um milhão de coisas ao mesmo tempo e
algo sai errado.

No meu caso foi usar um HD para instalar um Windows onde haviam arquivos de
backup, não cheguei a fazer uma formatação completa, fiz uma formatação
rápida e nem cheguei na etapa onde o windows iniciava a instalação, então
acho que todos os arquivos ainda estão lá!

A ajuda que eu gostaria, era a indicação de um bom software para eu tentar
recuperar esses arquivos, no geral são arquivos .doc, .odt, .pdf  e
arquivos de imagens JPEG, PNG, etc, se alguém puder me indicar algo
agradeço muito.

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Re: Socorro - Recuperação de Arquivos apagados!

2014-02-13 Thread Bruno Ayub
Tem um conjunto de ferramentas úteis que estão compiladas em um CD,
inclusive para recuperação de arquivos. Chama-se Hirens. Você vai precisar
de um CD virgem ou um pendrive bootavel.


Vai com fé que vai dar certo!


2014-02-13 21:48 GMT-02:00 Fagner Patricio fagner.patri...@gmail.com:

 Olá Pessoal!

 Hoje foi daqueles dias em que você faz um milhão de coisas ao mesmo tempo
 e algo sai errado.

 No meu caso foi usar um HD para instalar um Windows onde haviam arquivos
 de backup, não cheguei a fazer uma formatação completa, fiz uma formatação
 rápida e nem cheguei na etapa onde o windows iniciava a instalação, então
 acho que todos os arquivos ainda estão lá!

 A ajuda que eu gostaria, era a indicação de um bom software para eu tentar
 recuperar esses arquivos, no geral são arquivos .doc, .odt, .pdf  e
 arquivos de imagens JPEG, PNG, etc, se alguém puder me indicar algo
 agradeço muito.

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Re: Socorro - Recuperação de Arquivos apagados!

2014-02-13 Thread Fagner Patricio
Ual!!

To vendo aqui, Valeu mesmo Bruno, espero que resolva, amanhã eu posto
notícias.

Essa lista é 10!!


Em 13 de fevereiro de 2014 21:05, Bruno Ayub bruno.a...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Tem um conjunto de ferramentas úteis que estão compiladas em um CD,
 inclusive para recuperação de arquivos. Chama-se Hirens. Você vai precisar
 de um CD virgem ou um pendrive bootavel.


 Vai com fé que vai dar certo!


 2014-02-13 21:48 GMT-02:00 Fagner Patricio fagner.patri...@gmail.com:

 Olá Pessoal!

 Hoje foi daqueles dias em que você faz um milhão de coisas ao mesmo tempo
 e algo sai errado.

 No meu caso foi usar um HD para instalar um Windows onde haviam arquivos
 de backup, não cheguei a fazer uma formatação completa, fiz uma formatação
 rápida e nem cheguei na etapa onde o windows iniciava a instalação, então
 acho que todos os arquivos ainda estão lá!

 A ajuda que eu gostaria, era a indicação de um bom software para eu
 tentar recuperar esses arquivos, no geral são arquivos .doc, .odt, .pdf  e
 arquivos de imagens JPEG, PNG, etc, se alguém puder me indicar algo
 agradeço muito.

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Re: Upgrading Computer

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 22:57 -0800, David Guntner wrote:
 I build almost exclusively with ASUS motherboards, and every one has
 worked just fine with Windows or Linux.  So I'm not exactly sure what
 you were going for here, Ralf

ASUS mobos have different chip sets, as the mobos of other vendors have
got too. I don't trust generalizations based on experiences for computer
gear, even not my own experiences. The vendor that did build good HDDs
for the last 5 years might build bad HDDs the next 5 years. The company
that build everlasting power supplies might use undersized capacitors
now. IMO there isn't a real quality standard to count on. Your milage
seems to vary.


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systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
One more question about systemd: 

let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
S11mountall and before S13networking.

Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?

At this time my fear is that systemd turns out as a very nice tool for
personal pc but a PITA for servers/vm (as happened for upstep).

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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 09:12 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
 One more question about systemd: 
 
 let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
 S11mountall and before S13networking.
 
 Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?
 
 At this time my fear is that systemd turns out as a very nice tool for
 personal pc but a PITA for servers/vm (as happened for upstep).

Handling dependencies
With systemd, dependencies can be resolved by designing the unit files
correctly. The most typical case is that the unit A requires the unit B
to be running before A is started. In that case add Requires=B and
After=B to the [Unit] section of A. If the dependency is optional, add
Wants=B and After=B instead. Note that Wants= and Requires= do not imply
After=, meaning that if After= is not specified, the two units will be
started in parallel.
Dependencies are typically placed on services and not on targets. For
example, network.target is pulled in by whatever service configures your
network interfaces, therefore ordering your custom unit after it is
sufficient since network.target is started anyway. -
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd




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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/02/14 19:12, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
 One more question about systemd: 
 
 let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
 S11mountall and before S13networking.

My experience with systemd is limited, but so far (Wheezy) everything
just worked. I haven't been using it long enough to consider employing
it in production environments - but Jessie is a long way from stable so
I'm not overly concerned, just mildly curious. So far I'm impressed with
the increased configurability, and especially, the faster boot-times
(SLA goodness!).

Make the script S12whatever and then install systemd(?)

# apt-get install systemd systemd-sysv;reboot

 
 Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?

Do man system and man systemd.conf not suffice?

I don't know where I'd find 'just' the answer to just that question if
the context was systemv so I expect some additional reading could be
required.

If the man pages don't answer the question perhaps a bug report would be
in order. Additionally you could look at:-
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html
https://wiki.debian.org/systemd (which is a good place to add anything
you find lacking)

I found those using a search engine, but I didn't look very hard
(because they answered my questions).


 
 At this time my fear is that systemd turns out as a very nice tool for
 personal pc but a PITA for servers/vm (as happened for upstep).

Those fears have been considered, debated, and discussed ad-infinitum
by Debian Technical and Debian developers - and those scenarios, and
others, have been taken into account.
The enemy of fear (and faith) is knowledge ;)

If you are running Jessie on production servers systemd is the least of
your problems (IMNSHO). :)

I've mostly tested systemd on servers, the only DE I've used it on was LXDE.

Upstep? DYM upstart??
Isn't upstart an Ubuntu thing?


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Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

2014-02-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 12 feb 14, 19:41:00, Erick Ocrospoma wrote:
 
 Don't really understand your email, nothing makes sense. This must be
 considered spam.

You shouldn't reply to spam ;)

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Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/02/14 20:20, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Mi, 12 feb 14, 19:41:00, Erick Ocrospoma wrote:
 
 Don't really understand your email, nothing makes sense. This
 must be considered spam.
 
 You shouldn't reply to spam ;)

Spam?
NSA backdoors, chemical contrails, fluoride pharmacological
conspiracies, EVIL, corporate manipulation of Debian, gang stalking,
anal probing by aliens of the socially alienated, EVIL, attention
seeking 14-year old system administrators fishing for l0lz, you're
being too kind.
Oh wait... irony. :)

 
 Kind regards, Andrei
 

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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 20:00 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 Make the script S12whatever and then install systemd(?)

You need to make a _unit_ to start the S12whatever script, no need for
the S12 you can call it whatever, but you need to edit a unit. FWIW
all jokes about systemd units using CamelCase are already written.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ man systemd.unit
SYSTEMD.UNIT(5)  systemd.unit   
   SYSTEMD.UNIT(5)

NAME
   systemd.unit - Unit configuration

SYNOPSIS
   service.service, socket.socket, device.device, mount.mount, 
automount.automount, swap.swap,
   target.target, path.path, timer.timer, snapshot.snapshot, slice.slice, 
scope.scope

   /etc/systemd/system/*
   /run/systemd/system/*
   /usr/lib/systemd/system/*
   ...

   $HOME/.config/systemd/user/*
   /etc/systemd/user/*
   /run/systemd/user/*
   /usr/lib/systemd/user/*
   ...

DESCRIPTION
   A unit configuration file encodes information about a service, a socket, 
a device, a mount point, an
   automount point, a swap file or partition, a start-up target, a watched 
file system path, a timer
   controlled and supervised by systemd(1), a temporary system state 
snapshot, a resource management slice
   or a group of externally created processes. The syntax is inspired by 
XDG Desktop Entry
   Specification[1].desktop files, which are in turn inspired by Microsoft 
Windows .ini files.

   This man page lists the common configuration options of all the unit 
types. These options need to be
   configured in the [Unit] or [Install] sections of the unit files.

   In addition to the generic [Unit] and [Install] sections described here, 
each unit may have a
   type-specific section, e.g. [Service] for a service unit. See the 
respective man pages for more
   information: systemd.service(5), systemd.socket(5), systemd.device(5), 
systemd.mount(5),
   systemd.automount(5), systemd.swap(5), systemd.target(5), 
systemd.path(5), systemd.timer(5),
   systemd.snapshot(5).  systemd.slice(5).  systemd.scope(5).

[snip]
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat 
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/alice.service
[Unit]
Description=Alice PPPoE

[Service]
Type=oneshot
ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/alice start
ExecStop=/etc/rc.d/alice stop
RemainAfterExit=true

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat 
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/rtirq.service 
[Unit] 
Description=Realtime IRQ thread system tuning 

[Service] 
Type=oneshot 
ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/rtirq start
ExecStop=/etc/rc.d/rtirq stop 
RemainAfterExit=true 

[Install] 
WantedBy=multi-user.target


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Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 06:13:51PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
 On 2014-02-12 06:12 +0100, Chris Bannister wrote:
 
  I tried systemd - booted really fast, but it didn't honor any console
  font settings I had. I groaned and reverted back realising, after seeing
  quite a bit of discussion, that there was another setup to learn! In
  this case the learning would be mandatory if I wanted to get my console
  back the way I had it!
 
 I'm surprised to read this, since systemd's vconsole-setup has been
 disabled in the Debian package for three years.  Does the console-setup
 package not work for you under systemd?

I just did the init=/lib/systemd/systemd on the linux command line as
a oncer and noticed.

Now:
root@tal:~# ls -al /lib/systemd/
total 260
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root   4096 Jan 20 23:12 .
drwxr-xr-x 15 root root  12288 Dec 28 20:52 ..
drwxr-xr-x 11 root root  28672 Jan 26 22:08 system
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 210380 Jan  1 07:24 systemd-udevd
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Dec 28 20:59 system-sleep

So I must have uninstalled something, I'll try it again later, at
some stage, but I remember googling wondering how the console font
was configured, but then thought what else do I have worry about (access
to log info, etc) and decided that I'll look into it again later. :)

Does anyone knows who sells round tuits?

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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Ralf Mardorf writes:
  On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 09:12 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:

[... omissis ...]

   Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?

[... omissis ...]

  Handling dependencies
  With systemd, dependencies can be resolved by designing the unit files
  correctly. The most typical case is that the unit A requires the unit B
  to be running before A is started. In that case add Requires=B and
  After=B to the [Unit] section of A. If the dependency is optional, add
  Wants=B and After=B instead. Note that Wants= and Requires= do not imply
  After=, meaning that if After= is not specified, the two units will be
  started in parallel.
  Dependencies are typically placed on services and not on targets. For
  example, network.target is pulled in by whatever service configures your
  network interfaces, therefore ordering your custom unit after it is
  sufficient since network.target is started anyway. -

Thanks.

Not the clearest documentation possible, humans are ill suited for
forward references (that nevertheless require a second pass on the
source). And still several concepts are still in the wiki-page
author's brain.

Another question. Systemd will continue to let me use the systemv
scripts?

Systemd  is  a  complex  system  meant to  handle  with  system  whose
configuration varies a lot  (exp. hardware configuration).

Therefore, it is a good tool for users that are happy with what comes
out of the box -like DHCP is a good idea for an user that just wants a
TCP/IP configuration and would not care less of the assigned IP
address-

Please correct me, but I think it could let me start mount a certain
file system if and only if there is a certain device on the USB bus,
and that could maybe with less than 90 lines (the len of the script I
use, most of them handle the possible anomalies).

But it seems that reaches this goal at the cost of increasing the
complexity.

I still think that systemd could not be the right choices where - for
example - hardware re-configuration will never happen while the
increased complexity turns out to be a burden greater than any benefit
received. Falling back to a System V emulation could give an escape
from that complexity.

Or else, leave the user choose what to use.

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Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/02/14 21:37, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 06:13:51PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
 On 2014-02-12 06:12 +0100, Chris Bannister wrote:
snipped
 
 Does anyone knows who sells round tuits?


Yes. (disclaimer, I get a commission from them) - but my advice it to
buy the square ones and belt them round with a hammer. Much cheaper.

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Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:58:48AM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 13/02/14 10:24, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
  Hello List
  
  I was very alert for almost 14 years,
 snipped
 
 Great, but I think you're posting to the wrong list.
 Try trollsrus.org or witlingfools.org

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00480.html

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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Ralf Mardorf writes:
  [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat 
  /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/alice.service

Thank you very much.

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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Scott Ferguson writes:

  So far I'm impressed with
  the increased configurability, and especially, the faster boot-times
  (SLA goodness!).

Interesting, even if booting is not what my it should have been a
laptop does most, last was more than a week ago.

  Make the script S12whatever and then install systemd(?)
  
  # apt-get install systemd systemd-sysv;reboot

Interesting... 

  http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd
  http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html
  https://wiki.debian.org/systemd (which is a good place to add anything
  you find lacking)

I was searching for pre-installation information like these. The one
in freedesktop.org is not the clearest one possible...

   At this time my fear is that systemd turns out as a very nice tool for
   personal pc but a PITA for servers/vm (as happened for upstep).
  
  Those fears have been considered, debated, and discussed ad-infinitum
  by Debian Technical and Debian developers

They are by no means gods, even if Debian has been my system of choice
for more than ten years (maybe about twenty).

And I  am not the only  one that sometimes wonder  about the wonderful
mushrooms they use for their risotto coi funghi...

  I've mostly tested systemd on servers, the only DE I've used it on was LXDE.

Mine is /bin/bash, with the help of /usr/local/bin/emacs and X11.

  Upstep? DYM upstart??
  Isn't upstart an Ubuntu thing?

It  is something  I smashed  my face  some years  ago, and  indeed was
Ubuntu. And some Ubuntu developer told me that the upstart author had
never seen a server in her life :).

I was trying to create VM for use with OpenNebula, where they received
some  configuration informations  on  a virtual  cd  created on  the
fly...

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Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 12 February 2014 12:13:23 Scott Ferguson wrote:
 (emphasis and guessed spelling correction mine).

Scott - the original strikes me as being correct, and 
oyur correction strikes me as being wrong.

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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 11:29 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
 Another question. Systemd will continue to let me use the systemv
 scripts?

Perhaps Debian makes this available during the transition. I use Debian
without systemd. However, you could try to start those scripts by a
systemd unit and see what happens.

JFTR

Q: How do I change the current runlevel?

A: In systemd runlevels are exposed via target units. You can change
them like this:

# systemctl isolate runlevel5.target
Note however, that the concept of runlevels is a bit out of date, and it
is usually nicer to use modern names for this. e.g.:

# systemctl isolate graphical.target
This will only change the current runlevel, and has no effect on the
next boot. -
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/

Have you already read about journalctl? This IMO is a PITA.


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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/02/14 21:41, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
 Scott Ferguson writes:
 
   So far I'm impressed with
   the increased configurability, and especially, the faster boot-times
   (SLA goodness!).
 
 Interesting, even if booting is not what my it should have been a
 laptop does most, last was more than a week ago.

Perhaps you missed the SLA and server reference?  :)

 
   Make the script S12whatever and then install systemd(?)
   
   # apt-get install systemd systemd-sysv;reboot
 
 Interesting... 

In other words, make your changes with the systemv that you know, and
then see if the conversion to systemd picks them up. I'm lazy, and it
worked in my case. Your mileage may vary (I did warn that I have limited
experience with systemd).

 
   http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
   https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd
   http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html
   https://wiki.debian.org/systemd (which is a good place to add anything
   you find lacking)
 
 I was searching for pre-installation information like these. The one
 in freedesktop.org is not the clearest one possible...

Agreed. I'm optimistic that will change for the better.

 
At this time my fear is that systemd turns out as a very nice tool for
personal pc but a PITA for servers/vm (as happened for upstep).
   
   Those fears have been considered, debated, and discussed ad-infinitum
   by Debian Technical and Debian developers
 
 They are by no means gods, even if Debian has been my system of choice
 for more than ten years (maybe about twenty).

Gods, no. Where the decisions as to what happens with Debian, yes (and
IMNSHO, as it should be). Whether *we* continue to use Debian, or Debian
stock is in our hands - for which I'm grateful.

 
 And I  am not the only  one that sometimes wonder  about the wonderful
 mushrooms they use for their risotto coi funghi...

Goldtop and blue meanies? Best not consumed before driving - although :)

 
   I've mostly tested systemd on servers, the only DE I've used it on was 
 LXDE.
 
 Mine is /bin/bash, with the help of /usr/local/bin/emacs and X11.

My workstation is KDE, but workstation SOE testing is generally done on
an old T22 where optimisation is, um, more pronounced. I haven't started
testing systemd on servers, as I noted previously, Jessie is a long way
from stable.

 
   Upstep? DYM upstart??
   Isn't upstart an Ubuntu thing?
 
 It  is something  I smashed  my face  some years  ago, and  indeed was
 Ubuntu. And some Ubuntu developer told me that the upstart author had
 never seen a server in her life :).

I have no opinions about Ubuntu, and I have no plans to change that
(though I guess that constitutes an opinion).
:)

 
 I was trying to create VM for use with OpenNebula, where they received
 some  configuration informations  on  a virtual  cd  created on  the
 fly...
 

Again, I have no opinions.
As to hardware that doesn't change - that's a complex subject that
involves considering whether udev is necessary, long before I consider
the init system. But your use case is surely different - only you can
determine what best suits it.

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Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Paul Cartwright

  
  
On 02/13/2014 05:37 AM, Chris Bannister
  wrote:


  I just did the "init=/lib/systemd/systemd" on the linux command line as
a oncer and noticed.

Now:
root@tal:~# ls -al /lib/systemd/
total 260
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root   4096 Jan 20 23:12 .
drwxr-xr-x 15 root root  12288 Dec 28 20:52 ..
drwxr-xr-x 11 root root  28672 Jan 26 22:08 system
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 210380 Jan  1 07:24 systemd-udevd
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Dec 28 20:59 system-sleep

is that all you have ?? I just upgraded to jessie earlier this week,
on my amd_64 system. Here is what I got:

# ls -al /lib/systemd/
total 2792
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Feb 9 15:06 .
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4096 Feb 9 16:04 ..
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 546 Dec 31 12:54 debian-fixup
drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 12288 Feb 9 20:00 system
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1027296 Dec 31 12:54 systemd
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18304 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-ac-power
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 34768 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-activate
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38936 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-binfmt
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 88400 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-bootchart
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26576 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-cgroups-agent
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 51152 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-cryptsetup
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38936 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-fsck
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 67768 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-hostnamed
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 34768 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-initctl
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 190488 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-journald
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 71720 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-localed
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 243736 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-logind
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 363 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-logind-launch
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 47192 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-modules-load
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22408 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-multi-seat-x
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30744 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-quotacheck
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30672 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-random-seed
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 55336 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-readahead
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30744 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-remount-fs
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22480 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-reply-password
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 67696 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-shutdown
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 42960 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-shutdownd
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 59416 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-sleep
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 43032 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-sysctl
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 80008 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-timedated
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18304 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-timestamp
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 198808 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-udevd
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 34768 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-update-utmp
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 43032 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-user-sessions
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 9 15:06 system-generators
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 31 12:53 system-shutdown
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 9 15:56 system-sleep


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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 22:13 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 only you can determine what best suits it.

On Arch I used initscripts as long as possible, then I didn't use Arch
for a while and then I made a new install of Arch with systemd.

For Debian I still use the V-thingy and once Debian comes with a systemd
release, I will make a complete new Debian install with systemd.

A transition with a V-systemd-hybrid IMO likely could cause trouble, at
least more time for maintenance is needed.


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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Scott Ferguson writes:
  On 13/02/14 21:41, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
   Scott Ferguson writes:
   
 So far I'm impressed with
 the increased configurability, and especially, the faster boot-times
 (SLA goodness!).
   
   Interesting, even if booting is not what my it should have been a
   laptop does most, last was more than a week ago.
  
  Perhaps you missed the SLA and server reference?  :)

Your servers do a lot of bootstrapping??

  Gods, no. Where the decisions as to what happens with Debian, yes (and
  IMNSHO, as it should be)

I differentiate between those in charge and Gods.

Best regards!

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Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 06:42 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
 -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  190488 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-journald

I at least would expect the f...ine journal. For Chris that much is
missing that I suspect he runs some kind of
transition-SysVinit-systemd-hybrid. This is something comparable to
brown sugar on a mari...nade sandwich given as a present now and later
the victim needs to pay for the brown sugar with lots of lifetime.



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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 12:44 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
 I differentiate between those in charge and Gods.

We atheists don't differ ;). You're likely an agnostics or believer. Am
I right?





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Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Bannister

[Paul, please don't post in html]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 06:42:38AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 02/13/2014 05:37 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
 
 I just did the init=/lib/systemd/systemd on the linux command line as
 a oncer and noticed.

You snipped what I noticed.

 Now:
 root@tal:~# ls -al /lib/systemd/
 total 260
 drwxr-xr-x  4 root root   4096 Jan 20 23:12 .
 drwxr-xr-x 15 root root  12288 Dec 28 20:52 ..
 drwxr-xr-x 11 root root  28672 Jan 26 22:08 system
 -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 210380 Jan  1 07:24 systemd-udevd
 drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Dec 28 20:59 system-sleep
 
is that all you have ?? I just upgraded to jessie earlier this week, on
my amd_64 system. Here is what I got:

I said I deleted a package, remember.

# ls -al /lib/systemd/

-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1027296 Dec 31 12:54 systemd

a dpkg -S /lib/systemd/systemd

will show what package I deleted. The bits you snipped from my post
has changed the meaning slightly. :(


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Re: apt-get remove/purge with regex gives unexpected result

2014-02-13 Thread rpr nospam
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:04:49 +0100 Sven Joachim wrote:

 My interpretation of that paragraph is that apt-get first tries to
 interpret the pattern as a wildcard (see glob(7)) and only tries a
 regular expression match if the glob produces no matches.

Sven, it seems you are right. I tried the following commands:

$ sudo apt-get remove 'libre?f?ice.*'
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Note, selecting 'libreoffice.org-calc' for regex 'libre?f?ice.*'
Note, selecting 'libreoffice.org-writer' for regex 'libre?f?ice.*'
Package 'libreoffice.org-calc' is not installed, so not removed
Package 'libreoffice.org-writer' is not installed, so not removed
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.

$ sudo apt-get remove '^libre?f?ice.*'
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package ^libre?f?ice.*
E: Couldn't find any package by regex '^libre?f?ice.*'
E: Couldn't find any package by regex '^libre?f?ice.*'

The first command shows that libre?f?ice.* is treated as a glob
expression as it matched libreoffice.org-calc and
libreoffice.org-writer packages. It that expression ? means
any single character.

The second command shows that ^libre?f?ice.* is treated as a regular
expression which didn't match the said packages because in regular
expressions an atom followed by '?' matches a sequence of 0 or 1
matches of the atom.

I see a bug in the execution of the first command: it reports
  Note, selecting 'libreoffice.org-calc' for regex 'libre?f?ice.*'
but actually it should report
  Note, selecting 'libreoffice.org-calc' for glob expression 'libre?f?ice.*'

Definitely, apt-get manpage should be improved to clarify the usage of
glob expressions by default.

If I were the developer of apt-get I would provide an option for
changing the default treatment of pkg arguments as glob expressions to
regular expressions. It would prevent issues with regular expressions
that can be also valid glob expressions (as shown in my initial post).

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Re: Dist-upgrade on remote server fails;

2014-02-13 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:42:25PM -0600, John Foster wrote:
 I have a question regarding upgrading a remotely hosted VPN server. was
 running Debian 6; I did a few upgrades to clear the way for a
 dist-upgrade. I normally do this by getting the libc6 stuff and the
 kernel image done first then the rest of my apps. I've had very few
 issues with this in the past. However this is my first time to do it via
 all command line interface on a remotely hosted VPN server. On this
 server there is no kernel image or at least nothing in the /boot
 directory  nothing shows to be installed as a kernel image in dselect.
 the issue at hand is this message when I try to install the new libc6
 parts:

If the package manager doesn't know about your kernel and libc, then I
think there's a number of possibilities: They've been installed manually
(for example with ./configure ; make ; make install), The package
manager has forgotten about them (unlikely, but disk-corruption could do
that) or I *think* there are certain kinds of virtualised environments
that don't expose the kernel to you. You don't say your remote server is
virtual, though, so we'll exclude the latter.

If you haven't installed the files manually, then you should probably
check files like /var/lib/dpkg/available and /var/lib/dpkg/status for
truncation/corruption.

In terms of recovery, dpkg -i --force-overwrite {something}.deb MIGHT
work, but note that issue of unsafeness (below). 

 
 A copy of the C library was found in an unexpected directory:
   '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so'
 It is not safe to upgrade the C library in this situation;
 please remove that copy of the C library or get it out of
 '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' and try again.
 
 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-38
 +deb7u1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
 subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
 Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-38+deb7u1_amd64.deb
 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
 
 If anyone has experience with this type of issue or running remotely
 hosted servers please advise of any ideas for managing this issue. i
 have researched a tried a couple of processes that work for some folks
 already, but when I do move those c lib items to another directory the
 whole system fails and I've only been able to rescue my self by having
 several term windows open where I have command line access. I was able
 to reinstall (as in put them back) using filezilla and a remote term
 that was kept open for this purpose.
 Thanks
 John
 
 
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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 20:00 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 Make the script S12whatever and then install systemd(?)

 You need to make a _unit_ to start the S12whatever script, no need for
 the S12 you can call it whatever, but you need to edit a unit. FWIW
 all jokes about systemd units using CamelCase are already written.

 [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ man systemd.unit
 SYSTEMD.UNIT(5)  systemd.unit 
  SYSTEMD.UNIT(5)

 NAME
systemd.unit - Unit configuration

 SYNOPSIS
service.service, socket.socket, device.device, mount.mount, 
 automount.automount, swap.swap,
target.target, path.path, timer.timer, snapshot.snapshot, slice.slice, 
 scope.scope

/etc/systemd/system/*
/run/systemd/system/*
/usr/lib/systemd/system/*
...

$HOME/.config/systemd/user/*
/etc/systemd/user/*
/run/systemd/user/*
/usr/lib/systemd/user/*
...

 DESCRIPTION
A unit configuration file encodes information about a service, a 
 socket, a device, a mount point, an
automount point, a swap file or partition, a start-up target, a 
 watched file system path, a timer
controlled and supervised by systemd(1), a temporary system state 
 snapshot, a resource management slice
or a group of externally created processes. The syntax is inspired by 
 XDG Desktop Entry
Specification[1].desktop files, which are in turn inspired by 
 Microsoft Windows .ini files.

There it is.

I can see the claims from Microsoft legal, now.

FWIW, I've never gone wrong avoiding doing things the Microsoft way.

It's kind of like not having to smoke tobacco to know I don't want to
do that. You don't fix a broken leg by putting a bandaid on it.

  [...]

Anyway, thanks for the heads' up, Ralf.

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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:12:11PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 11:29 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
  Another question. Systemd will continue to let me use the systemv
  scripts?
 
 Perhaps Debian makes this available during the transition. I use Debian
 without systemd. However, you could try to start those scripts by a
 systemd unit and see what happens.
 
 JFTR
 
 Q: How do I change the current runlevel?

Debian has never had run levels per se (obviously single user, and
reboot are used, but not the others) leaving them up to the system admin
to configure as she/he desires.

 A: In systemd runlevels are exposed via target units. You can change
 them like this:
[...]

I assume that the current norm will prevail ... but who knows, maybe
systemd is the new system admin. :)

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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Ralf Mardorf writes:
  On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 12:44 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
   I differentiate between those in charge and Gods.
  
  We atheists don't differ ;). You're likely an agnostics or believer. Am
  I right?

It is not a religious subject, my apologies if I hurted somebody's
feelings. I have my rating for Gods. And one has to prove me to be
worth the rank :).

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Wheezy NVidia driver for card GT 750M

2014-02-13 Thread Markos

Dear,

I just installed Wheezy 7.4 on a notebook with Nvidia video card 
GeForce GT 750M.


I searched the site:

https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

And from what I've seen, the list of devices supported by the version 
304.88:


http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.88/README/supportedchips.html 



does not include the GT 750M model

Another option is to use the Nvidia proprietary installer available at:

http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/72249/en-us

Version: 331.38
Release Date: 01/13/2014
Operating System: Linux 32-bit

Is there a newer Debian package that includes the GT 750M card?

How to find?

Thanks for any tip.

Markos


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Re: Wheezy NVidia driver for card GT 750M

2014-02-13 Thread Andreas Rönnquist
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:38:21 -0200,
Markosmar...@c2o.pro.br wrote:

Dear,

I just installed Wheezy 7.4 on a notebook with Nvidia video card 
GeForce GT 750M.

I searched the site:

https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

And from what I've seen, the list of devices supported by the version 
304.88:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.88/README/supportedchips.html
 


does not include the GT 750M model

Another option is to use the Nvidia proprietary installer available at:

http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/72249/en-us

Version: 331.38
Release Date: 01/13/2014
Operating System: Linux 32-bit


If you want smooth Debian-style installation, you can use the version
that is backported (319.82) - it lists these models as supported in its
documentation:

GeForce GT 750M   0x0FE4 D
GeForce GT 750M   0x0FE9 D

It is available through backports:

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/nvidia-driver
http://backports.debian.org/

I am using it myself (though with a 650Ti), and it works flawlessly.

best regards
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Re: Wheezy NVidia driver for card GT 750M

2014-02-13 Thread Robin
On 13 February 2014 12:38, Markos mar...@c2o.pro.br wrote:
 Dear,

 I just installed Wheezy 7.4 on a notebook with Nvidia video card GeForce GT
 750M.

 I searched the site:

 https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

 And from what I've seen, the list of devices supported by the version
 304.88:

 http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.88/README/supportedchips.html

 does not include the GT 750M model

 Another option is to use the Nvidia proprietary installer available at:

 http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/72249/en-us

 Version: 331.38
 Release Date: 01/13/2014
 Operating System: Linux 32-bit

 Is there a newer Debian package that includes the GT 750M card?

 How to find?

 Thanks for any tip.

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Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Debian se queda con systemd, bueno o malo??

2014-02-13 Thread Joel Rees
2014-02-13 7:09 GMT+09:00 Javier Barroso javibarr...@gmail.com:
 2014-02-12 15:56 GMT+01:00 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:

 El Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:22:11 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió:

  http://www.muylinux.com/2014/02/12/debian-systemd

 La nota oficial:

 [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/02/msg5.html

 Esperemos que todo siga igual de fluido y conjuntado como hasta ahora,
 y que las piezas sigan siendo intercambiables, que es la gracia de
 esto :)

  Que les parece esta noticia? Opiniones?

 Pienso que no es ni bueno ni malo, es una decisión más que han tomado.

 Yo personalmente hubiera esperado un poco más: la decisión no es vital,
 la controversia/puntos de vista divergentes es elevada, el resultado
 puede volver a considerarse y no sé a qué viene tanta prisa.
 Creo que Gnome puede haber tenido bastante que ver con las prisas [1],
 aunque no estoy seguro.


 Lo que sí considero malo (nefasto, diría yo) es la mala imagen que ha
 proyectado Debian (como organización) con el debate que se ha generado en
 las listas de correo sobre esta votación, del que se han hecho eco en
 diversos medios en Internet (blogs, revistas especializadas, etc...).

 Muy mal, parecían una panda de chiquillos peleándose por un caramelo ;-(
 Totalmente de acuerdo, a parte de todos los trolls que han aparecido.
 Era difícil sobre todo por que había gente de Canonical en el comité
 que era difícil que se pusieran en contra de Upstart

 Por otro lado se ha visto bastante demagogia en algunos de los
 participantes del hilo. Alguno se cree superior a los demás y hace
 afirmaciones rotundas que no tienen por qué ser ciertas.

 Saludos
 [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2014/01/msg2.html

Thanks for the links.

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Re: systemd: some questions

2014-02-13 Thread Hans
Hi list, 

sorry, it is me again. ASfter I installed systemd and addded init=/bin/systemd 
into grub (like the README told), the boot hangs. The debian wiki says 
init=/lib/systemd/systemd, but that is afaik nearly the same.

I suppose, it is because my partitzions are encrypted and are mounted as 
/dev/mapper/xxx and not as /xxx.

Is there something known about using encrypted partitions? I have the root-
partition ( = / ) and the partition, where the kernel resides ( = /boot) 
unencryptetd. They work well. But when the boot will get access to the 
encrypted partitions it hangs. My encrypted partitions are /home, /usr and 
/var and need interactive password input. The swap is NOT encrypted ( I read 
some issues about encrypted swap partitions).

Maybe I missed something? Or is systemd still not working with encrypted 
partitions? There was nothing in the doc about it (as far as I read)

Any hints are welcome.

Best regards

Hans





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Operation not supported by backend.

2014-02-13 Thread Paul Cartwright
I have a couple of cameras  devices to plug in to my computer. The
phone , galaxy S3 works, as does my Samsung STF-150 camera. I just
plugged in my Nikon via USB, pulled up the pcitures and tried to copy
them. I got:
Operation not supported by backend.

ouch. I see there is a bug that was filed  closed for glibphoto2..
I tried putting the card in a card reader, but it must either be old, or
not supported, because it also didn't mount. It is a 16GB card, I got it
with the camera a few years ago, well, maybe 6 years ago..

any ideas??

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Re: systemd: some questions

2014-02-13 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:16 +0100, Hans wrote:
 Is there something known about using encrypted partitions? I have the root-
 partition ( = / ) and the partition, where the kernel resides ( = /boot) 
 unencryptetd. They work well. But when the boot will get access to the 
 encrypted partitions it hangs. My encrypted partitions are /home, /usr and 
 /var and need interactive password input. The swap is NOT encrypted ( I read 
 some issues about encrypted swap partitions).

If you use keyscripts, then these are not yet supported.


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rdesktop

2014-02-13 Thread lina
Hi,

When I tried to use rdesktop, it showed me

ERROR: getaddrinfo: No address associated with hostname

I was advised by our admin that It is something to do with the RDP
version on Linux. It has some compatibility issues with the more recent
version of MS-RDP. 

Further, I was told to try use window to connect to that window machine
in order to access some software.

I checked the debian package, seems currently the one I use is the
latest version, any suggestion about how to resolve it without resorting
to the Windows.

Thanks ahead,


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Re: Operation not supported by backend.

2014-02-13 Thread Henning Follmann
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 09:48:10AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
 I have a couple of cameras  devices to plug in to my computer. The
 phone , galaxy S3 works, as does my Samsung STF-150 camera. I just
 plugged in my Nikon via USB, pulled up the pcitures and tried to copy
 them. I got:
 Operation not supported by backend.
 
 ouch. I see there is a bug that was filed  closed for glibphoto2..
 I tried putting the card in a card reader, but it must either be old, or
 not supported, because it also didn't mount. It is a 16GB card, I got it
 with the camera a few years ago, well, maybe 6 years ago..
 
 any ideas??
 

Can you please be a bit more specific?
The cards are mounted as normal mass storage devices. When you plug in your
camera or plug in the card in your card reader is it mounted?
if so, how is it mounted?
Can you read (copy) files manually from that mounted device?

What does /var/log/syslog say?

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Re: rdesktop

2014-02-13 Thread Alberto Luaces
lina writes:

 I was advised by our admin that It is something to do with the RDP
 version on Linux. It has some compatibility issues with the more recent
 version of MS-RDP. 

Try with xfreerdp.

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Re: Operation not supported by backend.- SOLVED in a few weeks...

2014-02-13 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 02/13/2014 10:11 AM, Henning Follmann wrote:
 Can you please be a bit more specific?
 The cards are mounted as normal mass storage devices. When you plug in your
 camera or plug in the card in your card reader is it mounted?
 if so, how is it mounted?
 Can you read (copy) files manually from that mounted device?

 What does /var/log/syslog say?

 I already got an answer from the Debian Bugs group. Here is the
important syslog entry:

Feb 13 10:07:07 pauls-server mtp-probe: checking bus 6, device 18:
/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:12.2/usb6/6-4/6-4.4
Feb 13 10:07:07 pauls-server mtp-probe: bus: 6, device: 18 was not an
MTP device
Feb 13 10:07:07 pauls-server colord: Device added: sysfs-NIKON-NIKON_DSC_D60
Feb 13 10:08:04 pauls-server kernel: [161470.786412] usb 6-4.4: USB
disconnect, device number 18
Feb 13 10:08:04 pauls-server colord: device removed:
sysfs-NIKON-NIKON_DSC_D60

What Emilio said was:

The fix is in glib 2.28.1 which isn't in jessie yet. It should be available in
jessie in 2-4 weeks most likely.



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Re: rdesktop

2014-02-13 Thread Joe
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 23:03:07 +0800
lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 When I tried to use rdesktop, it showed me
 
 ERROR: getaddrinfo: No address associated with hostname
 
 I was advised by our admin that It is something to do with the RDP
 version on Linux. It has some compatibility issues with the more
 recent version of MS-RDP. 
 
 Further, I was told to try use window to connect to that window
 machine in order to access some software.
 
 I checked the debian package, seems currently the one I use is the
 latest version, any suggestion about how to resolve it without
 resorting to the Windows.
 

Which versions? I'm using rdesktop 1.7.1-1 to reach Server2008 and Win7
servers with no problem. I'm using tsclient, which is no longer
developed or in Debian, but the front end shouldn't affect things.
Remmina doesn't seem to depend on rdesktop and may be worth a try to
eliminate the rdesktop component.

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Re: systemd: some questions

2014-02-13 Thread Gilles Mocellin

Le 13/02/2014 15:16, Hans a écrit :

Hi list,

sorry, it is me again. ASfter I installed systemd and addded init=/bin/systemd
into grub (like the README told), the boot hangs. The debian wiki says
init=/lib/systemd/systemd, but that is afaik nearly the same.

I suppose, it is because my partitzions are encrypted and are mounted as
/dev/mapper/xxx and not as /xxx.

Is there something known about using encrypted partitions? I have the root-
partition ( = / ) and the partition, where the kernel resides ( = /boot)
unencryptetd. They work well. But when the boot will get access to the
encrypted partitions it hangs. My encrypted partitions are /home, /usr and
/var and need interactive password input. The swap is NOT encrypted ( I read
some issues about encrypted swap partitions).

Maybe I missed something? Or is systemd still not working with encrypted
partitions? There was nothing in the doc about it (as far as I read)

Any hints are welcome.

Best regards

Hans


There should not be any problem with crypted disks (luks).
I use systemd on wheezy with brtfs on luks for everything except /boot 
and it works.



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Re: rdesktop

2014-02-13 Thread Reco
 Hi,

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:03:07PM +0800, lina wrote:
 Hi,
 
 When I tried to use rdesktop, it showed me
 
 ERROR: getaddrinfo: No address associated with hostname

That means that you've tried to connect to a non-resolvable hostname
(i.e. no hostname → IP association). No more, no less.
Quick-and-dirty solution for that is using IP address of the host
instead.


 I was advised by our admin that It is something to do with the RDP
 version on Linux. It has some compatibility issues with the more recent
 version of MS-RDP. 

While there may be such incompatibility (rdesktop is an implementation
of a reverse-engineered protocol, after all), such claim is showing one
of two things:

a) The person in question have no desire to solve your problem.

b) The person in question is not qualified enough to solve your problem.


 Further, I was told to try use window to connect to that window machine
 in order to access some software.

And, did it work?


 I checked the debian package, seems currently the one I use is the
 latest version, any suggestion about how to resolve it without resorting
 to the Windows.

You use latest version packaged in the Debian. The latest upstream
version, according to [1] is 1.8.1, which is one minor version above
Debian Unstable.

Still, given that this problem is with the resolving hostname, not RDP
incompatibility - I doubt that upgrading to the latest upstream version
will solve anything (or, for example, replacing rdesktop with freerdp
will).

[1] http://www.rdesktop.org/

Reco


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Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

2014-02-13 Thread Dave Woyciesjes

On 02/12/2014 06:58 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 13/02/14 10:24, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote:

Hello List

I was very alert for almost 14 years,

snipped

Great, but I think you're posting to the wrong list.
Try trollsrus.org or witlingfools.org

HTH

Kind regards



Makes me think of an article I saw yesterday:
It's a scientific FACT: Online comment trolls are SADISTS • The Register
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/12/study_shoes_that_online_comment_trolls_are_sadists/

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Re: rdesktop

2014-02-13 Thread Steven Post
Hi,

On Thu, February 13, 2014 16:03, lina wrote:
 Hi,

 When I tried to use rdesktop, it showed me

 ERROR: getaddrinfo: No address associated with hostname

Looks like a DNS issue to me, getaddrinfo is the part where the hostname
is resolved to an IP. Try to ping the remote host and see if it even
resolves the IP.

you may need to check your machine's settings to make sure it uses a
proper DNS server (I guess you should use the internal one in your company
here).
Most of the time the correct server is provided automatically using DHCP
when you obtain an IP address.


[...]

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Re: systemd: some questions

2014-02-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 03:16:12PM +0100, Hans wrote:
 Maybe I missed something? Or is systemd still not working with
 encrypted partitions? There was nothing in the doc about it (as far as
 I read)

I use systemd with encrypted partitions without problems.

Can you boot the machine, and at the grub prompt, edit the command line
and confirm what the 'init=' argument is? Additionally if there's a
quiet option on the command line, please delete it and try to boot.
Does that show any diagnostic information?


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Re: rdesktop

2014-02-13 Thread Matthias Fraidl
On 02/13/2014 04:55 PM, Reco wrote:
  Hi,
 
 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:03:07PM +0800, lina wrote:
  Hi,
  
  When I tried to use rdesktop, it showed me
  
  ERROR: getaddrinfo: No address associated with hostname
 That means that you've tried to connect to a non-resolvable hostname
 (i.e. no hostname → IP association). No more, no less.
 Quick-and-dirty solution for that is using IP address of the host
 instead.
 
 

1) as Reco wrote, it looks like a wrong, non-resolvable hostname. check
your DNS settings.

2) how does the configuration of the windows-host look like?
there are 3 possible options to configure for RDP connections:
   a) do not accept RDP connections
   b) accept connections from clients running any RDP version
   c) only accept clients with a RDP version that supports
authentication on network-level

you might try option b) when using rdesktop to connect to newer version
of windows (Vista, 7, 8, Server2kX).

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Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 11:07 -0500, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
 On 02/12/2014 06:58 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
  On 13/02/14 10:24, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
  Hello List
 
  I was very alert for almost 14 years,
  snipped
 
  Great, but I think you're posting to the wrong list.
  Try trollsrus.org or witlingfools.org
 
  HTH
 
  Kind regards
 
 
  Makes me think of an article I saw yesterday:
 It's a scientific FACT: Online comment trolls are SADISTS • The Register
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/12/study_shoes_that_online_comment_trolls_are_sadists/

Bullshit! This is much more spam than the OPs message is spam! Please
folks stop posting irrelevant crap, at least mark your mails as OT or
send them to the OT mailing list.

Seriously! There is no argument that makes this statistic serious! There
is no differential diagnosis, such as e.g. autoaggression which would
lead to differential diagnosis to such as Narcissism, e.g. a bipolar
disorder or just accentuation, an emotional intensity
disorder/accentuation etc. pp.. On lists with people from different
languages even a misunderstanding is more likely than a psychological
disorder.

trollsrus.org is a funny joke. Your link isn't funny anymore.


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Re: USB wireless network adaptor

2014-02-13 Thread Manikandan M
Thanks Selim. I'll try it and let you know.

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Selim T. Erdogan 
se...@alumni.cs.utexas.edu wrote:

 Manikandan M,  8.02.2014:
  
  I'm having a HP laptop running wheezy. The built-in wireless adaptor
 wasn't
  working fine. So bought a Asus usb-n10 wireless adaptor. installed the
  drivers and it works fine.
  But once i shutdown or restart my laptop, its not working. The lsusb
  command shows the wireless adaptor, but the adaptor is not working (not
  getting detected in network manager in gnome). only way to make it work
 is
  to restart.
  Has anyone faced a similar situation and is there any fix for this issue.
  Thanks in advance.

 You could try removing and reloading the relevant kernel module, which
 might be r8712u, based on https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
 So, try modprobe -r r8712u  modprobe r8712u as root.

 I have to do this for a pci wifi adapter, when I start the laptop after
 hibernation.  Actually, that reminds me: I also have a usb adapter which
 occasionally has the problem you have, though caused by the built-in pci
 adapter.  It might be related to them both being part of the rt2x00
 driver family.  After waking up from hibernation, if the pci adapter
 --- using rt2500pci --- was in use before, I have to either reload or
 remove its module, to get the usb adapter --- using rt2800usb --- to work.
 But if I've removed the rt2500pci module, then the rt2800usb module
 will survive the hibernation.


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Re: Upgrading Computer

2014-02-13 Thread David Guntner
Ralf Mardorf grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
 On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 22:57 -0800, David Guntner wrote:
 I build almost exclusively with ASUS motherboards, and every one has
 worked just fine with Windows or Linux.  So I'm not exactly sure what
 you were going for here, Ralf
 
 ASUS mobos have different chip sets, as the mobos of other vendors have
 got too. I don't trust generalizations based on experiences for computer
 gear, even not my own experiences. The vendor that did build good HDDs
 for the last 5 years might build bad HDDs the next 5 years. The company
 that build everlasting power supplies might use undersized capacitors
 now. IMO there isn't a real quality standard to count on. Your milage
 seems to vary.

That's an awful lat of supposition based on things you have no way of
predicting

All anyone can do is go on information they have, in hand, regarding
past performance.  If a company has an established history of turning
out good stuff with a reasonable degree of regularity, the odds are that
the next thing they turn out will likely also be good.  Can they turn
out something bad?  Sure.  But no sane person is going to go with
something along the lines of, Oh, the next one might be bad even though
they've got a good track record so far, so I'm not going to take a
chance with that new one.

If you've got hard information regarding a particular board in the past
being bad (bad for lots of people; a case of it was a good run but the
board I got was bad simply means you got a bad one out of an otherwise
good run), then that's hard information that can contribute to a
discussion.  Anything else is just a non-sequitur that only serves to
clutter up a conversation on the subject while making no meaningful
contribution to it.

In other words, it looks like you're just trolling...

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Re: Upgrading Computer

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 09:38 -0800, David Guntner wrote:
 Ralf Mardorf grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
  On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 22:57 -0800, David Guntner wrote:
  I build almost exclusively with ASUS motherboards, and every one has
  worked just fine with Windows or Linux.  So I'm not exactly sure what
  you were going for here, Ralf
  
  ASUS mobos have different chip sets, as the mobos of other vendors have
  got too. I don't trust generalizations based on experiences for computer
  gear, even not my own experiences. The vendor that did build good HDDs
  for the last 5 years might build bad HDDs the next 5 years. The company
  that build everlasting power supplies might use undersized capacitors
  now. IMO there isn't a real quality standard to count on. Your milage
  seems to vary.
 
 That's an awful lat of supposition based on things you have no way of
 predicting
 
 All anyone can do is go on information they have, in hand, regarding
 past performance.  If a company has an established history of turning
 out good stuff with a reasonable degree of regularity, the odds are that
 the next thing they turn out will likely also be good.  Can they turn
 out something bad?  Sure.  But no sane person is going to go with
 something along the lines of, Oh, the next one might be bad even though
 they've got a good track record so far, so I'm not going to take a
 chance with that new one.
 
 If you've got hard information regarding a particular board in the past
 being bad (bad for lots of people; a case of it was a good run but the
 board I got was bad simply means you got a bad one out of an otherwise
 good run), then that's hard information that can contribute to a
 discussion.  Anything else is just a non-sequitur that only serves to
 clutter up a conversation on the subject while making no meaningful
 contribution to it.
 
 In other words, it looks like you're just trolling...

You're mistaken, I won't take the time and search my mails, but you can
do it on your own, somewhere in the ubuntu studio or 64 studio or linux
audio users or linux audio developers archives or any other linux audio
archive we talked about the ASUS mobo I own and about any mobo of any
vendor in general. May I ask you how often you repair mobos or any other
electronically gear? There's nothing wrong when you say that your
experiences with ASUS mobos are good, but there's also nothing wrong
when I talk about my knowledge regarding to mobos. You are the troll,
since you didn't post one evidence that ASUS boards are generally good
boards. I bought and will buy ASUS boards because I don't have much
money and ASUS boards are elCheapo mobos and for audio production
machines it's less expensive to buy ten mobos and to test them than to
buy one expensive mobo from a company how gives a vague warranty about
no issues for audio production. You are trolling because you seemingly
don't have experiences with repairing electronically gear during the
last 20 years, so you aren't aware that vendors have a tendency to make
gear less durable and you seemingly don't use the computer for tasks,
such as real-time audio, real-time CNC etc.. IOW on what basis do you
define that ASUS mobos are always good? You simply had good luck with
ASUS mobos and perhaps bad luck with mobos from other companies.


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Re: Dist-upgrade on remote server fails;

2014-02-13 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:42:25PM -0600, John Foster wrote:
 I have a question regarding upgrading a remotely hosted VPN server. was
 running Debian 6; I did a few upgrades to clear the way for a
 dist-upgrade. I normally do this by getting the libc6 stuff and the
 kernel image done first then the rest of my apps. I've had very few
 issues with this in the past. However this is my first time to do it via
 all command line interface on a remotely hosted VPN server. On this
 server there is no kernel image or at least nothing in the /boot
 directory  nothing shows to be installed as a kernel image in dselect.
 the issue at hand is this message when I try to install the new libc6
 parts:

I suspect you are using a VPS, not a VPN: a virtual server. And
I also suspect that your provider is supplying the kernel for
the server from outside the mounted environment.

This could be something that's easy to change (your provider
will offer you a tool) or something that's impossible to change
(you are not running in a full virtualized environment, but in a
container or zone arrangement where your kernel is shared with
the hosting machine).

In either case, talk to tech support at your VPS provider and
get the facts.

-dsr-


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Re: Upgrading Computer

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 09:38 -0800, David Guntner wrote:
  Ralf Mardorf grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
   On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 22:57 -0800, David Guntner wrote:
   I build almost exclusively with ASUS motherboards, and every one has
   worked just fine with Windows or Linux.  So I'm not exactly sure what
   you were going for here, Ralf
   
   ASUS mobos have different chip sets, as the mobos of other vendors have
   got too. I don't trust generalizations based on experiences for computer
   gear, even not my own experiences. The vendor that did build good HDDs
   for the last 5 years might build bad HDDs the next 5 years. The company
   that build everlasting power supplies might use undersized capacitors
   now. IMO there isn't a real quality standard to count on. Your milage
   seems to vary.
  
  That's an awful lat of supposition based on things you have no way of
  predicting
  
  All anyone can do is go on information they have, in hand, regarding
  past performance.  If a company has an established history of turning
  out good stuff with a reasonable degree of regularity, the odds are that
  the next thing they turn out will likely also be good.  Can they turn
  out something bad?  Sure.  But no sane person is going to go with
  something along the lines of, Oh, the next one might be bad even though
  they've got a good track record so far, so I'm not going to take a
  chance with that new one.
  
  If you've got hard information regarding a particular board in the past
  being bad (bad for lots of people; a case of it was a good run but the
  board I got was bad simply means you got a bad one out of an otherwise
  good run), then that's hard information that can contribute to a
  discussion.  Anything else is just a non-sequitur that only serves to
  clutter up a conversation on the subject while making no meaningful
  contribution to it.
  
  In other words, it looks like you're just trolling...
 
 You're mistaken, I won't take the time and search my mails, but you can
 do it on your own, somewhere in the ubuntu studio or 64 studio or linux
 audio users or linux audio developers archives or any other linux audio
 archive we talked about the ASUS mobo I own and about any mobo of any
 vendor in general. May I ask you how often you repair mobos or any other
 electronically gear? There's nothing wrong when you say that your
 experiences with ASUS mobos are good, but there's also nothing wrong
 when I talk about my knowledge regarding to mobos. You are the troll,
 since you didn't post one evidence that ASUS boards are generally good
 boards. I bought and will buy ASUS boards because I don't have much
 money and ASUS boards are elCheapo mobos and for audio production
 machines it's less expensive to buy ten mobos and to test them than to
 buy one expensive mobo from a company how gives a vague warranty about
 no issues for audio production. You are trolling because you seemingly
 don't have experiences with repairing electronically gear during the
 last 20 years, so you aren't aware that vendors have a tendency to make
 gear less durable and you seemingly don't use the computer for tasks,
 such as real-time audio, real-time CNC etc.. IOW on what basis do you
 define that ASUS mobos are always good? You simply had good luck with
 ASUS mobos and perhaps bad luck with mobos from other companies.

When my ASUS board was brand new, the integrated ATI graphics already
was outdated! Even if this wouldn't be the case, proprietary ATI drivers
for Linux only will work with some versions of X, so if your mobo comes
with an ATI graphics soon or later you have to use the FLOSS driver and
than you e.g. even can't use GNOME 3, if you should care for
performance. If your ASUS mobo should come without a graphics or an
NVIDI that's better. However, the graphics isn't the only chip on a
mobo.



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[SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

2014-02-13 Thread Hans
Am Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2014, 16:05:47 schrieb Jonathan Dowland:
 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 03:16:12PM +0100, Hans wrote:
  Maybe I missed something? Or is systemd still not working with
  encrypted partitions? There was nothing in the doc about it (as far as
  I read)
 
 I use systemd with encrypted partitions without problems.
 
 Can you boot the machine, and at the grub prompt, edit the command line
 and confirm what the 'init=' argument is? Additionally if there's a
 quiet option on the command line, please delete it and try to boot.
 Does that show any diagnostic information?

All right, I guess, I found the solution by removing quiet the grub 
commandline.

For those, who got into the same problem as me, here is what I did:

As I wanted to choose between automatically lock up my encrypted partitions by 
an usb stick or by hand, I commented out the following line in /etc/fstab
 
# /dev/disk/by-label/UIT-KEY/media  vfatuid=0,gid=0,umask=277   
0   0


This was the first point, systemd hanged, because it got into a loop and tried 
to find the stick over and over again.

In /etc/crypttab I removed the following lines, too, as they are related to 
the usb stick, too.

# home UUID=eab02575-9a67-466f-b44a-ef29ff76053e /media/key1 luks,discard
# usr UUID=7deb2088-44e1-4558-8e84-c5fcb4d2fd2d /media/key1 luks,discard
# var UUID=2318e3e6-0377-4633-9ab5-7fdac9cea2a9 /media/key1 luks,discard

This was the second loop, where systemd hanged and counted over and over from 
1 to 6.


After I commented out these lines from above files, I could enter my encryption 
passwords and booting worked as wished. Besides, I was impressed how fast it 
booted! Wow!

If some maintainer is reading this, some little feedback. It would be nice, 
when the message, that the partition is successfully checked would not appear 
direct in the linbe, where I want to enter the password. Just not a function 
problem, more a cosmetic part. Oh, do not hurry, I can wait!!! 

Again, I was impressed, how fast it boots, makes my ssd looking like in turbo 
mode. I will now install systemd on my EEEPC, my old single-core AMD amd64 
desktop and on my other older computers. After some testing on different 
hardware I will just give another feedback.

Thank you for any help.

happy hacking

Hans



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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 18:57 +0100, Hans wrote:
 Again, I was impressed, how fast it boots

For machines that fit to my needs, the startup time between upstart,
systemd and SysVint doesn't variate that much. Yes, startup when using
upstart and systemd is faster, than when using SysVinit. I need to use a
stopwatch, but I suspect it's something like 7 seconds vs 9 seconds for
my installs. Even if it would be 1 second vs 1 minute, how often do we
turn off and on our PCs? When I mention a PC I exclude tablet PCs.


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Re: Wheezy NVidia driver for card GT 750M

2014-02-13 Thread Markos

On 13-02-2014 11:54, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:38:21 -0200,
Markosmar...@c2o.pro.br  wrote:

   

Dear,

I just installed Wheezy 7.4 on a notebook with Nvidia video card
GeForce GT 750M.

I searched the site:

https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

And from what I've seen, the list of devices supported by the version
304.88:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.88/README/supportedchips.html


does not include the GT 750M model

Another option is to use the Nvidia proprietary installer available at:

http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/72249/en-us

Version: 331.38
Release Date: 01/13/2014
Operating System: Linux 32-bit

 

If you want smooth Debian-style installation, you can use the version
that is backported (319.82) - it lists these models as supported in its
documentation:

 GeForce GT 750M   0x0FE4 D
 GeForce GT 750M   0x0FE9 D

It is available through backports:

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/nvidia-driver
http://backports.debian.org/

I am using it myself (though with a 650Ti), and it works flawlessly.

best regards
-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailingli...@gusnan.se
gus...@gusnan.se


   

Dear,

Thanks for the tip about backports.

Now one more question .

I am confused about which packages should I install .

The site :

https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

recommended to install the linux -headers and kernel module packages :

linux -headers- $ aptitude- r install ( uname - r | sed ' s , [ ^ - ] * 
- [ ^ - ] * - , , ' ) nvidia - kernel - dkms


then install the nvidia-glx package and create the file / 
etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf with content :


Section Device 
Identifier  My GPU 
Driver  nvidia 
EndSection

But on other sites , for example , at:

http://www.fandigital.com/2012/05/install-nvidia-in-debian.html

recommended to install the packages:

apt- get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-xconfig 
nvidia-settings


And do not mention the installation of linux-headers- ...

And in other sites :

http://gnutwoall.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/nvidia-no-debian-wheezy-mais-uma-vez/

recommends :

# apt- get install build-essential dkms linux-headers-` uname -r`

and then :

# apt- get install nvidia-glx nvidia-installer-cleanup libgl-nvidia-glx 
nvidia-alternative libxvmcnvidia1 nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-support
nvidia-vdpau-driver xserver-xorg-video-nvidia nvidia-settings 
nvidia-xconfig-table utils


I am confused with so much information.

Please some tips about the packages for card GT 750M.

Thank you for your attention .

Markos


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Re: Upgrading Computer

2014-02-13 Thread David Guntner
Ralf Mardorf grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
 May I ask you how often you repair mobos or any other
 electronically gear? [...] You are trolling because you seemingly
 don't have experiences with repairing electronically gear during the
 last 20 years, so you aren't aware that vendors have a tendency to make
 gear less durable and you seemingly don't use the computer for tasks,
 such as real-time audio, real-time CNC etc.. IOW on what basis do you
 define that ASUS mobos are always good? You simply had good luck with
 ASUS mobos and perhaps bad luck with mobos from other companies.

A) I made no statements whatsoever regarding other brands of motherboards.

B) You don't know jack shit about me, so it's interesting that you would
attack me on that level.

C) For the record, I've been building systems since 1979, many of which
involved the use of a soldering iron.  So yea, I know a thing or two
about about electronic repair. :-)

D) I don't have time to waste on you with further discussion on the
subject, and at this point it's OT for this list.  You'll probably reply
to get the last word in, so go ahead and knock yourself out.




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Re: [SOLVED] Re: systemd: some questions

2014-02-13 Thread Hans
Am Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2014, 19:27:00 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
 On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 18:57 +0100, Hans wrote:
  Again, I was impressed, how fast it boots
 
 For machines that fit to my needs, the startup time between upstart,
 systemd and SysVint doesn't variate that much. Yes, startup when using
 upstart and systemd is faster, than when using SysVinit. I need to use a
 stopwatch, but I suspect it's something like 7 seconds vs 9 seconds for
 my installs. Even if it would be 1 second vs 1 minute, how often do we
 turn off and on our PCs? When I mention a PC I exclude tablet PCs.
Hi Ralf, 

yes, you are right. We do not often starting our computers, and in my special 
case, where I have to enter the passwords for lock up the encrypted partitions 
manually, booting speed is far from importance.

However, the shutdown sequence is much, much faster than before, which is 
sometimes important for me, when I am doing special things.

Besides, 7 to 9 seconds, equals about 23 percent is not much, but I think it 
might be more. Estimated 50 - 60 percent faster, but I also should measure it 
by a stopwatch. 

Still be impressed. :)

best regards

Hans 


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Re: Wheezy NVidia driver for card GT 750M

2014-02-13 Thread Onur Aslan
Wiki page is a bit old. NVIDIA drivers requires binary kernel module.

You have two options to install this module:

1. Upgrade your kernel to backported version and use precompiled
NVIDIA binary kernel module:

To do this first install new kernel with:

  apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-$(dpkg --print-architecture)

Reboot your machine with new kernel and install nvidia-driver with:

  apt-get install -t wheezy-backports nvidia-driver nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)



2. You can compile binary kernel module

If you don't want to upgrade your kernel to backported version you need
to compile nvidia-kernel driver for your current kernel. You need linux-headers
for this:

Install linux-headers with:

  apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)

And install nvidia drivers with:

  apt-get install -t wheezy-backports nvidia-driver nvidia-kernel-dkms


I assumed you added backports to your sources.list


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 15:54:59 -0200, Markos wrote:
 Dear,
 
 Thanks for the tip about backports.
 
 Now one more question .
 
 I am confused about which packages should I install .
 
 The site :
 
 https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
 
 recommended to install the linux -headers and kernel module packages :
 
 linux -headers- $ aptitude- r install ( uname - r | sed ' s , [ ^ -
 ] * - [ ^ - ] * - , , ' ) nvidia - kernel - dkms
 
 then install the nvidia-glx package and create the file /
 etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf with content :
 
 Section Device 
 Identifier  My GPU 
 Driver  nvidia 
 EndSection
 
 But on other sites , for example , at:
 
 http://www.fandigital.com/2012/05/install-nvidia-in-debian.html
 
 recommended to install the packages:
 
 apt- get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-xconfig
 nvidia-settings
 
 And do not mention the installation of linux-headers- ...
 
 And in other sites :
 
 http://gnutwoall.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/nvidia-no-debian-wheezy-mais-uma-vez/
 
 recommends :
 
 # apt- get install build-essential dkms linux-headers-` uname -r`
 
 and then :
 
 # apt- get install nvidia-glx nvidia-installer-cleanup
 libgl-nvidia-glx nvidia-alternative libxvmcnvidia1
 nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-support
 nvidia-vdpau-driver xserver-xorg-video-nvidia nvidia-settings
 nvidia-xconfig-table utils
 
 I am confused with so much information.
 
 Please some tips about the packages for card GT 750M.
 
 Thank you for your attention .
 
 Markos
 
 
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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Scott Ferguson
scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 13/02/14 19:12, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:


 let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
 S11mountall and before S13networking.

 My experience with systemd is limited, but so far (Wheezy) everything
 just worked. I haven't been using it long enough to consider employing
 it in production environments - but Jessie is a long way from stable so
 I'm not overly concerned, just mildly curious. So far I'm impressed with
 the increased configurability, and especially, the faster boot-times
 (SLA goodness!).


 Make the script S12whatever and then install systemd(?)

 # apt-get install systemd systemd-sysv;reboot

There's no need to install systemd-sysv, especially since it won't
allow you to boot using both (not simultaneously) sysvinit and
systemd.


 Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?

 Do man system and man systemd.conf not suffice?

man system or man systemd?

man -k systemd will be better because there are many systemd-related
man pages and the above two (especially man systemd.conf) won't help
you write a systemd unit.

man systemd-directives for example will list and explain the various
directives (before the = in the .ini files) that you can use in a
unit.


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Re: systemd: some more questions

2014-02-13 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote:

 let's assume that I have to execute a script after S10checkfs/
 S11mountall and before S13networking.

 Do I find a clear, reliable set of instructions to achieve this goal?

 At this time my fear is that systemd turns out as a very nice tool for
 personal pc but a PITA for servers/vm (as happened for upstep).

You've chosen an interesting case! :)

My first reaction was to write: If I were you I'd create a sysvinit
script that'll be slotted in between mountall and networking by
insserv rather than try to figure out how to order it in between S10
and S13 by systemd directly.

But I thought that given that /etc/init.d/mountall.sh is an early
boot service, I checked and found that it's overridden in systemd by
an empty /lib/systemd/system/checkfs.service.

So I'd check what systemd unit (units) does (do) the job of
mountall.sh and create a systemd service that Requires=/Wants= and is
After= that unit (those units) as well as WantedBy=/RequiredBy= and
Before= network.target.


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Re: Upgrading Computer

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 11:03 -0800, David Guntner wrote:
 You'll probably reply to get the last word in, so go ahead and knock
 yourself out.

use in advance not very smart regarding to fair play or even smart
manipulating rhetoric. You are god :D! Loser :D!



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