date:20140724

El Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:43:44 -0500, Ricardo Adolfo Sánchez Arboleda
escribió:

(corrijo el top-posting)

 El día 23 de julio de 2014, 9:17, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

(...)

 Gracias, por la ayuda pero eso no funciona.

 Pues no se me ocurre nada más salvo que pruebes con otros parámetros
 del kernel a ver si alguno da con la tecla aunque convendría que
 independientemente de que sigas probando cosas, abrieras un informe de
 fallo en el BTS de Debian.

 Camaleón, retire la pila 

¿La pila? ¿Qué pila? :-?

 y eso también lo hice
 
 GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=quiet reboot=pci

Hum... a ver Ricardo, no era necesario que hicieras el cambio si el 
parámetro que nos interesaba no funciona ;-)

Puedes volver a dejar esa línea como la tenías antes:

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=quiet

Y no te olvides de ejecutar update-grub después hacer los cambios y 
guardar el archivo.

 Toco hundir el botonazo para apagar.
 
 Dejemos ahí que ya toca esperar a ver si solucionan el rollo los tesos
 de Debian.

Es posible que con un kernel superior no tengas ese problema, podrías 
instalar el que hay en los backports aunque sólo sea para probar. Si 
funciona bien, informa del error en el BTS como te comentaba ya que de lo 
contrario no lo podrán solucionar.

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[OT-Spam] Re: Como mejorarías el diagnostico médico?

El Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:43:25 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
escribió:

 El 23 de julio de 2014, 12:40, Pablo M. Drake escribió:

  Como mejorarías el diagnostico médico?

 Como esto llego a la Lista???

Pues hombre, dado que se trata de una lista abierta y sin moderación 
previa, cualquier mensaje enviado por un ser humano o spambot a la 
dirección de la lista es susceptible de no ser filtrado por el filtro 
antispam y de terminar publicado.

 No sé, pero es el segundo mensje de spam que recibo de la lista... y
 luego dicen que gmail no entiende a las listas y no se que, pero creo
 que algo falla en esta.

Bastante bien funciona el filtro dada la gran cantidad de mensajes que 
tiene que analizar y de que en las listas de Debian se habla varios 
idiomas ;-)

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Re: GNOME y Debian muestra parte del texto en inglés...

El Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:43:04 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió:

 El día 21 de julio de 2014, 9:14, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

(...)

 Pues hombre, sin tener más detalles te diría que probaras a
 reconfigurar el locale (dpkg-reconfigure locales). Eso no te va a
 ayudar con el hecho de tener el GNOME en inglés (para lo cual
 tendrías que asegurarte de que tienes el paquete de idioma instalado
 y debidamente configurado desde el panel de control de GNOME) pero sí
 con la configuración del teclado.



 Pues a ver:
 $ dpkg-reconfigure locales [sudo] password for miguel:
 perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
 perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:

(...)

 Ahora reinicio y veo los resultados.

 Ah, vale, entonces sigue estos pasos:

 Fixing the locale problem in Debian
 http://hexample.com/2012/02/05/fixing-locale-problem-debian/


 Saludos, ya seguí los pasos que especifican. Reinicio el sistema.
 Sorpresa!... no pasó nada. 

Ejecuta dpkg-reconfigure locales y pon la salida.

 Y sigo con el problema de Chrome de no escribir signos de interrogación
 ni exclamación de apertura; mas sin embargo el resto de caracteres sí
 puede leerlos bien.

Hombre, si tienes mal configurado el locale (y por ende el mapa de 
teclado) pues es normal que puedas teclear esos caracteres ;-)

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Re: No me detecta los audífonos al conectarlos en Debian Wheezy

El Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:40:23 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
escribió:

 El 23 de julio de 2014, 8:41, Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 Sin embargo esta vez he reiniciado y no he logrado que se resuelva.
 Supongo que debo hacer lo que menciona el post, mi duda es con qué
 archivo. Si busco por http la ruta del ftp, llego hasta tiwai pero
 está vacío. https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/

 No sé si por ftp la ruta siga intacta, pero creo que no. Y pues no sé
 que otras opciones sugieran para resolver esto.

 Vamos a ver... antes de empezar a resolver problemas, ¿qué problema
 tienes exactamente? Porque primero dices que el sonido funciona
 relativamente bien (?) y luego intentas compilar ALSA (!), ¿en qué
 situación te encuentras, qué no funciona o qué va mal...?


 Mi problema era que al conectar los audífonos a la computadora, no los
 detectaba, y eso lo había resuelto en otro equipo con procesador AMD y
 mismo problema editando el archivo alsa-base.conf.

Vale, pero el hecho de que tengas sonido por los parlantes a mí me 
sugiere que no se trata de un problema con la versión de ALSA sino de 
configuración de las entradas/salidas de la tarjeta de sonido por eso me 
extrañaba que te lanzaras a compilar antes de probar otras cosas :-)
 
 Ahora bien, una sugerencia que me dieron en la lista implicaba un paso
 adicional anterior de la edición del archivo de configuración de ALSA y
 ahí recomendaban compilar ALSA, cosa que no hice por lo que comenté en
 mi anterior comentario.

Compilar ALSA suele ser efectivo cuando directamente no tienes sonido 
porque el chipset de tu tarjeta no está soportado aún en la versión que 
tienes instalada pero no sabemos aún si ese es tu caso.

 Lo que si hice, fue probar lo que me dijo Eduardo Ríos:
 
 Yo tengo un HP Pavilion dv7-6090es, y me funciona bastante bien así:
 options snd-hda-intel model=hp-dv7-4000

 Por probar no pierdes nada ;)
 
 Al editar la linea final de alsa-base.conf como me sugurió Eduardo logré
 que los audífonos suenen al conectarse al equipo, sin embargo las
 bocinas siguen sonando u.u
 
 Y ahí me he quedado.

Una forma sencilla de saber si el problema lo genera la versión del 
driver que tienes de ALSA es probando con la versión LiveCD de testing 
(si es que siguen disponible, si no puedes probar con alguna derivada de 
Debian como Ubuntu o Mint que tengan la misma versión de ALSA que 
testing), así sales de dudas.

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Re: Sistema Raiz lleno

El Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:33:19 +0200, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió:

 Muy buenas a todos,
 Ayer me empezó a salir un mensaje emergente de que en el Raiz me quedan
 libres tan solo 450 Mb de 33 GB que tenía destinado para él. No se, pero
 tengo la impresión de que algo no va bien. La carpeta /var me ocupa 19,2
 GB (18,7 GB en la carpeta /cache) y la /usr 9,3 GB.
 Algo se está cociendo por aquí ya que es la primera vez que me pasa.
 Tengo instalada la versión debian jessie (testing por si lo escribo mal)

Pues hombre, ya sabes lo que hay que hacer (que tú no eres nuevo) ;-)

Mis chuletas para buscar directorios/archivos gordotes:

# enumerar tamaño de archivos/directorio de mayor a menor tamaño
du -h | grep [0-9]M | sort -n -r | less
du -BM | sort -nr | less

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Re: Sin sonido por hdmi Debian Wheezy kde nvidia 550 TI

El Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:10:51 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

 El 20 de julio de 2014, 17:00, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

(...)

 El hecho de que Kmix detecte sin problemas la salida HDMI indica que el
 sistema la detecta y que está configurada. Lo que te puede estar
 pasando es que las aplicaciones estén usando como predeterminada la
 Realtek en lugar de la HDMI y si no tienes forma alguna de seleccionar
 desde las aplicaciones por donde quieres enviar la salida de audio
 tendrás que configurar en el sistema (globalmente) la salida que
 quieres usar como predeterminada.

 https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting
 
 
 Gracias por la ayuda.
 
 No me ha funcionado. 

Pues ya nos dirás qué es exactamente lo que no ha funcionado :-)

 Comento lo que e echo:
 
 root@user-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M:~#  cat /proc/asound/cards
  0 [PCH]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
   HDA Intel PCH at 0xf621 irq 45
  1 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
   HDA NVidia at 0xf608 irq 17
 
 He intentando forzar la carga de las tarjetas en diferente orden:
 
   options snd-trident index=1 
   options snd-usb-audio index=0
 
 
 Esto en teoría carga antes la hdmi de nvidia no??

Pufff... no, a ver. 

Los comandos que veas en las FAQ tienes que adaptarlos *a tu 
configuración*, no los tomes al pie de la letra (en el ejemplo de la wiki 
de Debian se presupone que hay dos tarjetas, una que usa el módulo del 
kernel trident y otra usb, supongo que tú no tienes ni una ni otra). 
Lo importante es que entiendas el concepto, que en tu caso es configurar 
la tarjeta HDMI como predeterminada en el sistema.

Es decir, a efectos prácticos es como si no hubieras hecho nada.
 
(...)

 Qué pasos puedo seguir para continuar? Ya que me sigue sin funcionar...

Sigue los mismos pasos pero síguelos bien ;-P

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Re: No me detecta los audífonos al conectarlos en Debian Wheezy

2014-07-24 Thread Guido Ignacio

El día 24 de julio de 2014, 10:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:40:23 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
 escribió:

 El 23 de julio de 2014, 8:41, Camaleón escribió:

 (...)

 Sin embargo esta vez he reiniciado y no he logrado que se resuelva.
 Supongo que debo hacer lo que menciona el post, mi duda es con qué
 archivo. Si busco por http la ruta del ftp, llego hasta tiwai pero
 está vacío. https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/

 No sé si por ftp la ruta siga intacta, pero creo que no. Y pues no sé
 que otras opciones sugieran para resolver esto.

 Vamos a ver... antes de empezar a resolver problemas, ¿qué problema
 tienes exactamente? Porque primero dices que el sonido funciona
 relativamente bien (?) y luego intentas compilar ALSA (!), ¿en qué
 situación te encuentras, qué no funciona o qué va mal...?


 Mi problema era que al conectar los audífonos a la computadora, no los
 detectaba, y eso lo había resuelto en otro equipo con procesador AMD y
 mismo problema editando el archivo alsa-base.conf.

 Vale, pero el hecho de que tengas sonido por los parlantes a mí me
 sugiere que no se trata de un problema con la versión de ALSA sino de
 configuración de las entradas/salidas de la tarjeta de sonido por eso me
 extrañaba que te lanzaras a compilar antes de probar otras cosas :-)

 Ahora bien, una sugerencia que me dieron en la lista implicaba un paso
 adicional anterior de la edición del archivo de configuración de ALSA y
 ahí recomendaban compilar ALSA, cosa que no hice por lo que comenté en
 mi anterior comentario.

 Compilar ALSA suele ser efectivo cuando directamente no tienes sonido
 porque el chipset de tu tarjeta no está soportado aún en la versión que
 tienes instalada pero no sabemos aún si ese es tu caso.

 Lo que si hice, fue probar lo que me dijo Eduardo Ríos:

 Yo tengo un HP Pavilion dv7-6090es, y me funciona bastante bien así:
 options snd-hda-intel model=hp-dv7-4000

 Por probar no pierdes nada ;)

 Al editar la linea final de alsa-base.conf como me sugurió Eduardo logré
 que los audífonos suenen al conectarse al equipo, sin embargo las
 bocinas siguen sonando u.u

 Y ahí me he quedado.

 Una forma sencilla de saber si el problema lo genera la versión del
 driver que tienes de ALSA es probando con la versión LiveCD de testing
 (si es que siguen disponible, si no puedes probar con alguna derivada de
 Debian como Ubuntu o Mint que tengan la misma versión de ALSA que
 testing), así sales de dudas.

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Ara si ya chequeaste que no sea un tema de configuración/habilitación
a nivel soft (alsamixer), resta ver ALSA

Si ya lo chequeaste, pasanos el  codec de la placa de sonido, con este comando:

$ cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec

(de no ser card0, la que corresponda)

Y a partir de ahi, con el codec podemos buscar a que modelo
corresponde dicho codec y comunmente luego al ponerlo de esta forma en
el alsa-base.conf funcionan los auriculares:

snd-hda-intel model=modelo

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Re: Sistema Raiz lleno

2014-07-24 Thread estebanmonge

 El día 24 de julio de 2014, 11:33, J. OCTAVIO Avalos
 octavioava...@gmail.com escribió:
 Muy buenas a todos,
 Ayer me empezó a salir un mensaje emergente de que en el Raiz me
 quedan libres tan solo 450 Mb de 33 GB que tenía destinado para él. No
 se, pero tengo la impresión de que algo no va bien. La carpeta /var me
 ocupa 19,2 GB (18,7 GB en la carpeta /cache) y la /usr 9,3 GB.
 Algo se está cociendo por aquí ya que es la primera vez que me pasa.
 Tengo instalada la versión debian jessie (testing por si lo escribo mal)

 Un saludo


 Hola,
 Pues habra que revisar de los directorios que dices cual es el que
 tiene mas contenido no?

 podrias empezar haciendo apt-get clean, borra todos los paquetes
 instalados y archivados en tu sistema.

Ve a la raíz y ejecuta como root:
du --max-depth=1 -h | sort -rh

Te va a salir algo asi:
77G /
72G /home
3,8G/usr
401M/var
381M/opt
341M/lib
50M /boot
9,2M/sbin
8,8M/run
8,7M/bin
7,4M/etc
320K/root
92K /tmp
20K /media
16K /lost+found
4,0K/srv
4,0K/mnt
4,0K/lib64
0   /sys
0   /proc
0   /dev

Haces cd hasta el directorio que mas consume:
y de nuevo:
du --max-depth=1 -h | sort -rh
72G .
48G ./images
24G ./emonge
16K ./lost+found

Y asi hasta que encuentres la carpeta que mas consume... luego nos avisas.


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Sistema Raiz lleno

2014-07-24 Thread Raúl Armenta

A mi me gusta ncdu.

;-)

Noseasasi
-- Mensaje reenviado --
De: estebanmo...@riseup.net
Fecha: 24/07/2014 16:59
Asunto: Re: Sistema Raiz lleno
Para: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Cc:

 El día 24 de julio de 2014, 11:33, J. OCTAVIO Avalos
 octavioava...@gmail.com escribió:
 Muy buenas a todos,
 Ayer me empezó a salir un mensaje emergente de que en el Raiz me
 quedan libres tan solo 450 Mb de 33 GB que tenía destinado para él. No
 se, pero tengo la impresión de que algo no va bien. La carpeta /var me
 ocupa 19,2 GB (18,7 GB en la carpeta /cache) y la /usr 9,3 GB.
 Algo se está cociendo por aquí ya que es la primera vez que me pasa.
 Tengo instalada la versión debian jessie (testing por si lo escribo mal)

 Un saludo


 Hola,
 Pues habra que revisar de los directorios que dices cual es el que
 tiene mas contenido no?

 podrias empezar haciendo apt-get clean, borra todos los paquetes
 instalados y archivados en tu sistema.

Ve a la raíz y ejecuta como root:
du --max-depth=1 -h | sort -rh

Te va a salir algo asi:
77G /
72G /home
3,8G/usr
401M/var
381M/opt
341M/lib
50M /boot
9,2M/sbin
8,8M/run
8,7M/bin
7,4M/etc
320K/root
92K /tmp
20K /media
16K /lost+found
4,0K/srv
4,0K/mnt
4,0K/lib64
0   /sys
0   /proc
0   /dev

Haces cd hasta el directorio que mas consume:
y de nuevo:
du --max-depth=1 -h | sort -rh
72G .
48G ./images
24G ./emonge
16K ./lost+found

Y asi hasta que encuentres la carpeta que mas consume... luego nos avisas.


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Sistema Raiz lleno

2014-07-24 Thread Raúl Armenta

El 24/07/2014 17:05, Raúl Armenta armenta.r...@gmail.com escribió:

 A mi me gusta ncdu.

 ;-)

 Noseasasi

 -- Mensaje reenviado --
 De: estebanmo...@riseup.net
 Fecha: 24/07/2014 16:59
 Asunto: Re: Sistema Raiz lleno
 Para: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 Cc:

  El día 24 de julio de 2014, 11:33, J. OCTAVIO Avalos
  octavioava...@gmail.com escribió:
  Muy buenas a todos,
  Ayer me empezó a salir un mensaje emergente de que en el Raiz me
  quedan libres tan solo 450 Mb de 33 GB que tenía destinado para él. No
  se, pero tengo la impresión de que algo no va bien. La carpeta /var me
  ocupa 19,2 GB (18,7 GB en la carpeta /cache) y la /usr 9,3 GB.
  Algo se está cociendo por aquí ya que es la primera vez que me pasa.
  Tengo instalada la versión debian jessie (testing por si lo escribo
mal)
 
  Un saludo
 
 
  Hola,
  Pues habra que revisar de los directorios que dices cual es el que
  tiene mas contenido no?
 
  podrias empezar haciendo apt-get clean, borra todos los paquetes
  instalados y archivados en tu sistema.
 
 Ve a la raíz y ejecuta como root:
 du --max-depth=1 -h | sort -rh

 Te va a salir algo asi:
 77G /
 72G /home
 3,8G/usr
 401M/var
 381M/opt
 341M/lib
 50M /boot
 9,2M/sbin
 8,8M/run
 8,7M/bin
 7,4M/etc
 320K/root
 92K /tmp
 20K /media
 16K /lost+found
 4,0K/srv
 4,0K/mnt
 4,0K/lib64
 0   /sys
 0   /proc
 0   /dev

 Haces cd hasta el directorio que mas consume:
 y de nuevo:
 du --max-depth=1 -h | sort -rh
 72G .
 48G ./images
 24G ./emonge
 16K ./lost+found

 Y asi hasta que encuentres la carpeta que mas consume... luego nos avisas.

 
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Perdón, Mecaguen gmail.

Ji ji.

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Re: GNOME y Debian muestra parte del texto en inglés...

2014-07-24 Thread Miguel Matos

El día 24 de julio de 2014, 9:03, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:43:04 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió:

 El día 21 de julio de 2014, 9:14, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 (...)

 Pues hombre, sin tener más detalles te diría que probaras a
 reconfigurar el locale (dpkg-reconfigure locales). Eso no te va a
 ayudar con el hecho de tener el GNOME en inglés (para lo cual
 tendrías que asegurarte de que tienes el paquete de idioma instalado
 y debidamente configurado desde el panel de control de GNOME) pero sí
 con la configuración del teclado.



 Pues a ver:
 $ dpkg-reconfigure locales [sudo] password for miguel:
 perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
 perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:

 (...)

 Ahora reinicio y veo los resultados.

 Ah, vale, entonces sigue estos pasos:

 Fixing the locale problem in Debian
 http://hexample.com/2012/02/05/fixing-locale-problem-debian/


 Saludos, ya seguí los pasos que especifican. Reinicio el sistema.
 Sorpresa!... no pasó nada.

 Ejecuta dpkg-reconfigure locales y pon la salida.

Primero, la pantalla para seleccionar los locales (no puedo
seleccionarla apropiadamente); luego, seleccionar el predeterminado de
entre las opciones antes escogidas (escojo es_VE.UTF-8); luego:
Generating locales (this might take a while)...
  es_VE.UTF-8... done
Generation complete.

 Y sigo con el problema de Chrome de no escribir signos de interrogación
 ni exclamación de apertura; mas sin embargo el resto de caracteres sí
 puede leerlos bien.

 Hombre, si tienes mal configurado el locale (y por ende el mapa de
 teclado) pues es normal que puedas teclear esos caracteres ;-)

Los caracteres numéricos:
`1234567890'=
(con la tecla Shift) ~!#$%/()=?+
(con la tecla AltGr) \|@#~56{[]}\~
a la derecha de las letras:
`+\';-.,
(con la tecla Shift) ^*|_:;:
(con la tecla AltGr) []}{̣.,

ahí debe verse las que me faltan: signos de interrogación/exclamación
de apertura, tecla eñe. (y si lo preguntas, uso el charactermap para
escribirla).

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Re: GNOME y Debian muestra parte del texto en inglés...

El Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:52:50 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió:

 El día 24 de julio de 2014, 9:03, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

(...)

 Pues a ver:
 $ dpkg-reconfigure locales [sudo] password for miguel:
 perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
 perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:

(...)

 Ejecuta dpkg-reconfigure locales y pon la salida.

 Primero, la pantalla para seleccionar los locales (no puedo
 seleccionarla apropiadamente); luego, seleccionar el predeterminado de
 entre las opciones antes escogidas (escojo es_VE.UTF-8); luego:
 Generating locales (this might take a while)...
   es_VE.UTF-8... done
 Generation complete.

Se trata de comparar la salida que te daba antes con la actual, por lo 
que tienes que ejecutar el mismo comando que ejecutaste antes:

dpkg-reconfigure locales

Y manda la salida.

 Y sigo con el problema de Chrome de no escribir signos de
 interrogación ni exclamación de apertura; mas sin embargo el resto de
 caracteres sí puede leerlos bien.

 Hombre, si tienes mal configurado el locale (y por ende el mapa de
 teclado) pues es normal que puedas teclear esos caracteres ;-)

 Los caracteres numéricos:
 `1234567890'=
 (con la tecla Shift) ~!#$%/()=?+
 (con la tecla AltGr) \|@#~56{[]}\~
 a la derecha de las letras:
 `+\';-.,
 (con la tecla Shift) ^*|_:;:
 (con la tecla AltGr) []}{̣.,
 
 ahí debe verse las que me faltan: signos de interrogación/exclamación de
 apertura, tecla eñe. (y si lo preguntas, uso el charactermap para
 escribirla).

Ahora mismo el sistema está usando el locale C por lo que a efectos 
prácticos es como si tuvieras un mapa de teclado en inglés, es decir:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#mediaviewer/File:Qwerty.svg

Tienes que solucionar la configuración del locale.

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Re: No me detecta los audífonos al conectarlos en Debian Wheezy

2014-07-24 Thread JavierDebian


El 23/07/14 21:40, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus escribió:


Al editar la linea final de alsa-base.conf como me sugurió Eduardo
logré que los audífonos suenen al conectarse al equipo, sin embargo
las bocinas siguen sonando u.u

Y ahí me he quedado.

Saludos




Si mi electrónica no me falla, el corte de las bocinas no es sófgüer, 
es járgüer.


Las fichas hembras de conexión tienen un interruptor que al enchufar la 
ficha macho del auricular (plug), desconectan la masa de las bocinas, y 
de esa manera, acallan los parlantes.


Es decir, si siguen sonando, o me cambiaron la electrónica, o el jack 
de conexión no es estándar, y tiene un diámetro o largo menor (por 
ejemplo, los auriculares para teléfonos), o tenés un falso contacto en 
la ficha hembra de la computadora.


JAP


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Re: Code:ST/DPI/829

2014-07-24 Thread Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus

Y de nuevo spam desde la lista: -_\

2014-07-24 3:37 GMT-05:00 organization_un u...@spambog.ru:



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Re: Sistema Raiz lleno

2014-07-24 Thread JavierDebian


El 24/07/14 06:33, J. OCTAVIO Avalos escribió:

Muy buenas a todos,
Ayer me empezó a salir un mensaje emergente de que en el Raiz me
quedan libres tan solo 450 Mb de 33 GB que tenía destinado para él. No
se, pero tengo la impresión de que algo no va bien. La carpeta /var me
ocupa 19,2 GB (18,7 GB en la carpeta /cache) y la /usr 9,3 GB.
Algo se está cociendo por aquí ya que es la primera vez que me pasa.
Tengo instalada la versión debian jessie (testing por si lo escribo mal)

Un saludo



A ver, fijate en este hilo, que me pasó lo mismo.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2014/03/msg00613.html

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¿ha visto esta partición: /dev/sda5: LABEL=DATOS UUID=F820132C2012F17C TYPE=ntfs ?

2014-07-24 Thread Miguel Matos

Saludos de nuevo a la lista. No sé qué es lo que sucede, pero, a
veces, mi partición donde guardo mis archivos... hace ¡POOF!, y se va
del mundo digital. No me queda claro por qué, si ella existe:
cat /etc/fstab
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# file system mount point   type  options   dump  pass
# / was on /dev/sda3 during installation
UUID=c6f9e9ba-c91f-47b4-ba92-0cca120feb48 /   ext4
errors=remount-ro 0   1
# swap was on /dev/sda2 during installation
#UUID=209b9052-50cc-43ee-9f73-b0a7512f9bdc noneswapsw
0   0
UUID=8a848c8f-0d48-4a81-ba03-567dbdbb9fc0 noneswapsw
   0   0
/dev/sr0/media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0   0
# Agregar la partición DATOS de dos maneras:
#/dev/sda5 /media/DATOS ntfs-3g auto,rw,users,umask=000 0 0
UUID=F820132C2012F17C /media/DATOS ntfs-3g
defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=000,nosuid,nodev,locale=es_VE.UTF-8 0
0
#usbfs
none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=46,devmode=664 0 0

# blkid
/dev/sda2: LABEL=ubuntu UUID=ac802dc6-d48d-495b-b119-56244a41bdf4
TYPE=ext4
/dev/sda5: LABEL=DATOS UUID=F820132C2012F17C TYPE=ntfs
/dev/sda3: LABEL=debian UUID=c6f9e9ba-c91f-47b4-ba92-0cca120feb48
TYPE=ext4
/dev/sda1: UUID=8a848c8f-0d48-4a81-ba03-567dbdbb9fc0 TYPE=swap
/dev/sdb1: LABEL=INGMIGUEL UUID=A6B4-E6BD TYPE=vfat

No me gusta la idea de reiniciar a cada rato, pero, no sé qué hacer ni
cómo preguntarle a Google. Creo que el analizador de uso de disco es
el del problema, porque quise ver cómo tengo los archivos y
directorios, y de repente, ya no puedo verlos. ¿Y ahora?
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Re: GNOME y Debian muestra parte del texto en inglés...

2014-07-24 Thread Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus

 Pues a ver:
 $ dpkg-reconfigure locales [sudo] password for miguel:
 perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
 perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:

 (...)

 Ejecuta dpkg-reconfigure locales y pon la salida.

 Primero, la pantalla para seleccionar los locales (no puedo
 seleccionarla apropiadamente); luego, seleccionar el predeterminado de
 entre las opciones antes escogidas (escojo es_VE.UTF-8); luego:
 Generating locales (this might take a while)...
   es_VE.UTF-8... done
 Generation complete.

 Se trata de comparar la salida que te daba antes con la actual, por lo
 que tienes que ejecutar el mismo comando que ejecutaste antes:

 dpkg-reconfigure locales

 Y manda la salida.

 Y sigo con el problema de Chrome de no escribir signos de
 interrogación ni exclamación de apertura; mas sin embargo el resto de
 caracteres sí puede leerlos bien.

 Hombre, si tienes mal configurado el locale (y por ende el mapa de
 teclado) pues es normal que puedas teclear esos caracteres ;-)

 Los caracteres numéricos:
 `1234567890'=
 (con la tecla Shift) ~!#$%/()=?+
 (con la tecla AltGr) \|@#~56{[]}\~
 a la derecha de las letras:
 `+\';-.,
 (con la tecla Shift) ^*|_:;:
 (con la tecla AltGr) []}{̣.,

 ahí debe verse las que me faltan: signos de interrogación/exclamación de
 apertura, tecla eñe. (y si lo preguntas, uso el charactermap para
 escribirla).


Concuerdo con Camaleón en que la codificacicòn de caracteres que
muestras parece ser más bien la de unt eclado en inglés que uno en
español.

 Ahora mismo el sistema está usando el locale C por lo que a efectos
 prácticos es como si tuvieras un mapa de teclado en inglés, es decir:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#mediaviewer/File:Qwerty.svg

 Tienes que solucionar la configuración del locale.

Como dato cultural hay basicamente 2 opciones par español en cuanto al
mapa de caracteres del teclado:

1. Español (alfabetización internacional/tradicional segun microsuave) y
2. Español latinoamericano

La mayor diferencia entre ambos estriba en que el 1 contiene la ç y el
latinomaericano la omite. Las otras diferencias suelen ser en la
ubicacion de ciertos signos que difieren entre uno y otro.

Verifica que la configuracion obedezca a tu teclado fisico. Es bien
comun que la gente tenga un teclado latinoaemricano configurado como
español y viceversa.

Suerte y saludos


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qos - modelado de trafico o como-se-llame

2014-07-24 Thread Mariano Cediel

para hacer la busqueda de google mas afinada, os hago la siguiente pregunta.

[1] Quiero que todas las IPs de un rango de LAN se repartan EQUITATIVAMENTE
la subida/bajada de internet (100/10)

o bien ...

[2] Quiero que todas las IPs de una LAN estén limitadas como mucho por 1
mega de bajada / 128 de subida

No tengo muy claro aún cómo lo voy a montar.
Sea cual sea el tipo de tráfico, eso no me importa.

las palabras clave para realizar la búsqueda en google son  ¿?

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Re: qos - modelado de trafico o como-se-llame

2014-07-24 Thread Ricardo Eureka!

Mariano

los delay pool de squid te permiten hacer eso


El 24 de julio de 2014, 16:43, Mariano Cediel mariano.ced...@gmail.com
escribió:

 para hacer la busqueda de google mas afinada, os hago la siguiente
 pregunta.

 [1] Quiero que todas las IPs de un rango de LAN se repartan
 EQUITATIVAMENTE la subida/bajada de internet (100/10)

 o bien ...

 [2] Quiero que todas las IPs de una LAN estén limitadas como mucho por 1
 mega de bajada / 128 de subida

 No tengo muy claro aún cómo lo voy a montar.
 Sea cual sea el tipo de tráfico, eso no me importa.

 las palabras clave para realizar la búsqueda en google son  ¿?

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Re: qos - modelado de trafico o como-se-llame

2014-07-24 Thread Mariano Cediel


 los delay pool de squid te permiten hacer eso


esto del delay pool sirve para CUALQUIER TIPO de trafico, o solo para
trafico http, https ...?


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Creacion de paquete deb para kpcli

2014-07-24 Thread estebanmonge

Hola gente:

Estoy haciendo un paquete de este software que me parece maravilloso:
http://kpcli.sourceforge.net/

Esta escrito en Perl... no viene ningún archivo tar.gz solo el ejecutable
en Perl.

Todas las guías de crear paquetes en Debian comienzan con el hecho de que
usted tiene un archivo tar.gz que trae el configure, el make y toda la
jugada.

Entonces lo que hice fue bajar un archivo deb de Debian, de esos que traen
un modulo de Perl... lo desarme le acomode el script, volví a comprimir...
y deje los archivitos control.tar.gz data.tar.gz y debian-binary ahí
queditos.

Luego le agregue un archivo copyright y toda la cosa y en eso estoy.

PERO yo quiero hacerlo automático, para que la próxima vez que me toque
hacer algo similar, solo copie la próxima versión y debhelper o algún
utilitario me haga el resto, como cambiar versiones, hacer un changelog,
etc.

Luego de eso quiero subirlo a los repositorios de Debian... ando buscando
algún mentor!!! o alguien que me diga cuanta burrada hice mal!!!


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Re: Sin sonido por hdmi Debian Wheezy kde nvidia 550 TI

2014-07-24 Thread Maykel Franco

El 24/07/2014 22:58, Henry Linux henry.linux.1...@gmail.com escribió:

 El día 24 de julio de 2014, 8:10, Maykel Franco
 maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió:
  El 20 de julio de 2014, 17:00, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 
  El Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:50:55 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:
 
   Hola buenas, acudo a ustedes porque la verdad ya estoy desesperado.
   Tengo una tarjeta gráfica nvidia 550 TI y no tengo sonido por HDMI:
  
   01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce
GTX
   550 Ti] (rev a1)
 
  Antes de nada, asegúrate de que el sistema detecta correctamente todas
  las salidas/entradas de sonido (aplay -l).
 
   Lo curioso, es que cuando me meto en la configuración del sonido de
   kmix, me aparece tanto la tarjeta de sonido realtek como la tarjeta
   gráfica para poder sacar la salida de audio por hdmi. La salida de
   sonido por la tarjeta realtek que va en placa, funciona sin
problemas,
   el problema es al sacar el sonido por la tarjeta grafica, hdmi, que
las
   pruebas en kmix sí que funcionan (el tipico probar altavoz derecho e
   izquierdo) pero cuando intento probar youtube, o smtube por ejemplo o
   reproducir una película, no se escucha el sonido.
 
  (...)
 
  El hecho de que Kmix detecte sin problemas la salida HDMI indica que el
  sistema la detecta y que está configurada. Lo que te puede estar
pasando
  es que las aplicaciones estén usando como predeterminada la Realtek en
  lugar de la HDMI y si no tienes forma alguna de seleccionar desde las
  aplicaciones por donde quieres enviar la salida de audio tendrás que
  configurar en el sistema (globalmente) la salida que quieres usar como
  predeterminada.
 
  https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting
 
 
  Gracias por la ayuda.
 
  No me ha funcionado. Comento lo que e echo:
 
  root@user-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M:~#  cat /proc/asound/cards
   0 [PCH]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
HDA Intel PCH at 0xf621 irq 45
   1 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
HDA NVidia at 0xf608 irq 17
 
  He intentando forzar la carga de las tarjetas en diferente orden:
 
options snd-trident index=1
options snd-usb-audio index=0
 
 
  Esto en teoría carga antes la hdmi de nvidia no??
 
  Por si las moscas, he creado el fichero /etc/default/kexe con contenido:
 
 
  LOAD_KEXEC=false
 
  El dispositivo que funciona y saca salida de sonido hdmi es la tarjeta
  1: Nvidia, lo digo porque he probado todas, al menos en la prueba de
  sonido de kmix...
 
  root@unai-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M:~# aplay -l
   Lista de PLAYBACK dispositivos hardware 
  tarjeta 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], dispositivo 0: ALC887-VD Analog
  [ALC887-VD Analog]
Subdispositivos: 1/1
Subdispositivo #0: subdevice #0
  tarjeta 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], dispositivo 1: ALC887-VD Digital
  [ALC887-VD Digital]
Subdispositivos: 1/1
Subdispositivo #0: subdevice #0
  tarjeta 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], dispositivo 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
Subdispositivos: 1/1
Subdispositivo #0: subdevice #0
  tarjeta 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], dispositivo 7: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
Subdispositivos: 1/1
Subdispositivo #0: subdevice #0
  tarjeta 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], dispositivo 8: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
Subdispositivos: 1/1
Subdispositivo #0: subdevice #0
  tarjeta 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], dispositivo 9: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
Subdispositivos: 1/1
Subdispositivo #0: subdevice #0
 
  Qué pasos puedo seguir para continuar? Ya que me sigue sin funcionar...
 
  Saludos.
 
 


 y probaste instalar PULSE AUDIO Y PAV CONTROL?

 sudo apt-get pulseaudio
 sudo apt-get pavcontrol

 en pav control podes elejir por que salida de audio podes enviar el
 audio de cada aplicacion que use audio
 yo lo uso mucho y tengo dos placas de sonido y un mic usb y manejo
 todo desde ahi.

 slds.

 Henry.


 
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Gracias Henry voy a probarlo porque con lo otro no me aclaro.

Saludos.

Re: qos - modelado de trafico o como-se-llame

2014-07-24 Thread Carlos Zuniga

2014-07-24 14:43 GMT-05:00 Mariano Cediel mariano.ced...@gmail.com:
 para hacer la busqueda de google mas afinada, os hago la siguiente pregunta.

 [1] Quiero que todas las IPs de un rango de LAN se repartan EQUITATIVAMENTE
 la subida/bajada de internet (100/10)

 o bien ...

 [2] Quiero que todas las IPs de una LAN estén limitadas como mucho por 1
 mega de bajada / 128 de subida

 No tengo muy claro aún cómo lo voy a montar.
 Sea cual sea el tipo de tráfico, eso no me importa.

 las palabras clave para realizar la búsqueda en google son  ¿?


Creo que lo tienes al revés. Primero debías buscar en Google y una vez
afinas la pregunta (y no consigas respuesta) pues preguntas acá.

Google no requiere preguntas finas, con escribir qos linux es más
que suficiente para comenzar.


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un script pytoneano OFF-TOPIC

2014-07-24 Thread ricky gutierrez

senores se que este es un off topic fuera de debian , pero necesito un
script que me permita ver que ip específicamente me consume mas ancho
de banda en mi red interna , he estado buscando algo y lo mas parecido
es este

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21095134/calculate-bandwidth-usage-per-ip-with-scapy-iftop-style

pero cuando lo trato de correr me da este error:

WARNING: No route found for IPv6 destination :: (no default route?)

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File ./band.py, line 7, in module

from collections import Counter

ImportError: cannot import name Counter


la linea 7 es esta:

from collections import Counter

no soy pitoneano , pero se que aquí hay muchos.

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Re: un script pytoneano OFF-TOPIC

2014-07-24 Thread Felix Perez

2014-07-24 23:04 GMT-04:00 ricky gutierrez xserverli...@gmail.com:
 senores se que este es un off topic fuera de debian , pero necesito un
 script que me permita ver que ip específicamente me consume mas ancho
 de banda en mi red interna , he estado buscando algo y lo mas parecido
 es este

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21095134/calculate-bandwidth-usage-per-ip-with-scapy-iftop-style

 pero cuando lo trato de correr me da este error:

 WARNING: No route found for IPv6 destination :: (no default route?)

 Traceback (most recent call last):

   File ./band.py, line 7, in module

 from collections import Counter

 ImportError: cannot import name Counter


 la linea 7 es esta:

 from collections import Counter

 no soy pitoneano , pero se que aquí hay muchos.


Y seguimos de mal en peor...


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Re: Debian EFI não inicia

2014-07-24 Thread Listeiro 037


Sim, tive que desativar o secureboot pelo windows, depois o Debian
disco de instalação aceita e entra em modo EFI para instalar. Se for
deixar o W8 prá uso, por necessidade, tem de ser assim: tira secureboot
pelo Windows e mantém modo EFI para instalar. Senão modo legacy e o
Windows fica ignorado no boot. Daí vira um dual boot na bios,
selecionando legacy para linux e efi prá windows.

A parte chata é que só encontrei explicações em inglês e deduzi alguma
coisa. Ah, o CD do Debian i386 foi ignorado durante uma tentativa de
instalação, como se o drive estivesse vazio. Só instalou em legacy, com
um dual boot promovido por outra instalação. 

Ainda estou verificando se é bug ou algum descuido meu pro DVD
instalador i386 não rodar. 

Peço desculpas se há incoerência no que relatei. Como disse, só
encontrei uma referência em inglês.


Em Wed, 23 Jul 2014 23:31:31 -0300
Danilo Arantes daniloaran...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Alguém aqui já instalou o Debian utilizando UEFI?
 Estou quebrando a cabeça...
 Instalação segue normal, crio a partição para o EFI. Aparece o grub na
 inicialização porém o sistema não inicia e fica uma tela preta.
 Alguém teve alguma experiência com isso?
 


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Arquitetura i386 na amd64 em Jessie não instala

2014-07-24 Thread Listeiro 037


Não estou conseguindo instalar pacotes da arquitetura i386 em
arquitetura amd64. Mesmo após o --add-architecture a coisa não se
resolve. Parece que o ia32-libs mudou de nome ou há muitos pacotes
quebrados. No Wheezy não há problema.

Alguém consegue instalá-los ou aguarda-se a resolução de dependências?


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Re: Iptables

2014-07-24 Thread Ricardo Tweeg

Meus amigos,

Em primeiro lugar peço desculpas pelo retorno do e-mail.
Estava externo e só voltei hoje.
Acabamos tomando como solução a movimentação deste host para uma outra 
interface. O que resolveu.
Agradeço a ajuda de todos vocês.

Muito obrigado

Atenciosamente,

Ricardo Tweeg



Em Quarta-feira, 23 de Julho de 2014 12:16, Linux - Junior Polegato 
li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu:




Olá!

        O IP de destino é o IP externo e não o interno no
  PREROUTING.

        iptables -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -s 192.168.10.0/24  -d
  ip_externo --dport 80 -m state --state
  NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -J DNAT --to 192.168.10.29:80

        Outra alternativa é trabalhar com views no DNS, assim para
  quem acessar o DNS de fora vai dar o IP externo e para quem for de
  dentro vai dar o IP interno.


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Em 22-07-2014 16:07, Joao Arthur escreveu:

 

Ricardo, veja se da certo:

iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -d 192.168.10.29
--dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.10.29
iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -d 192.168.10.29 -j ACCEPT


   
João Arthur
 



Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:22:54 -0700
From: rtw...@yahoo.com.br
Subject: Iptables
To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org


Meus amigos, boa tarde.


Preciso fazer uma determinada manobra com o iptables e gostaria da ajuda de 
vocês.


Na minha rede local, existe uma máquina que precisa ser acessada por outras 
máquinas da mesma rede local passando pelo firewall.


O que fiz até agora foi:
Cadastrei no DNS da rede local o nome e IP (ip externo) deste servidor.
Assim, todas as máquinas da rede local que quiserem acessar este servidor, 
terão que resolver o nome e terão como resposta da resolução o IP externo.
Assim, como se trata de um IP externo, terão que passar pelo firewall.
No firewall eu coloquei uma regra na PREROUTING dizendo que tudo que chegar 
da rede local, com destino ao IP externo e na porta 80 deverá ser 
redirecionado ao IP interno do servidor na porta 80.


Vejam a regra como ficou:


Rede Local: 192.168.0.0/24
IP interno do servidor que deverá ser acessoado: 192.168.10.29 porta 80


iptables -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -s 192.168.10.0/24  -d 192.168.10.29 --dport 
80 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -J DNAT --to 192.168.10.29:80

 
Sei que é um pouco estranho uma máquina da rede local ter que ir no firewall 
para acessar uma máquina que faz parte do mesmo range/segmento.
Mas gostaria de fazer assim por conta de alguns motivos.


Essa seria a melhor solução?
Está faltando alguma regra de retorno?
Esta faltando alguma regra na FOWARD?


Obrigado pela ajuda
Atenciosamente,


Ricardo  

 


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Re: Debian EFI não inicia

2014-07-24 Thread PROF. SILVERIO

Danilo,

Tive com um INSPIRON 15R DELL,
Só que depois de sofrer descobri que a Dell está disponibilizando
atualização da BIOS para aceitar os 2 sistemas.
se não tiver atualização da bios no site do fabricante me avise que vou
juntar o que fiz e te envio.

abraços..




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escreveu:

 Alguém aqui já instalou o Debian utilizando UEFI?
 Estou quebrando a cabeça...
 Instalação segue normal, crio a partição para o EFI. Aparece o grub na
 inicialização porém o sistema não inicia e fica uma tela preta.
 Alguém teve alguma experiência com isso?

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Roteamento dentro da rede local

2014-07-24 Thread Nei Moreira

Pessoal,

Boa  noite!
Estou com a seguinte dúvida, existe  a possibilidade de rotear na própria
rede local?

Estou com o seguinte cenário.
Na minha rede, há um gateway que não posso mexer. E, gostaria de
implementar nessa rede um monitoramento de tráfego e controle de banda.
Como não posso mexer nesse gateway, pensei em estabelecer um roteador entre
esse gateway e a switch da rede local, onde estabeleceria as aplicações
desejadas.
Que solução seria mais aplicável?

Agradeço desde já.

Nei Vicente

Re: Roteamento dentro da rede local

2014-07-24 Thread Geowany Galdino

Boa noite, Nei!

Você pode colocar o monitor utilizando as duas placas entre o gateway e o 
switch em modo bridge sem precisar rotear.

Att,

On 24 de julho de 2014 23h26min40s GMT-05:00, Nei Moreira 
neivfmore...@yahoo.com.br wrote:
Pessoal,

Boa  noite!
Estou com a seguinte dúvida, existe  a possibilidade de rotear na
própria
rede local?

Estou com o seguinte cenário.
Na minha rede, há um gateway que não posso mexer. E, gostaria de
implementar nessa rede um monitoramento de tráfego e controle de banda.
Como não posso mexer nesse gateway, pensei em estabelecer um roteador
entre
esse gateway e a switch da rede local, onde estabeleceria as aplicações
desejadas.
Que solução seria mais aplicável?

Agradeço desde já.

Nei Vicente

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Re: Arquitetura i386 na amd64 em Jessie não instala

2014-07-24 Thread Listeiro 037


Aqui ele instala nada do tipo pacote:i386. P. ex: wine:i386.


Em Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:16:00 -0300
Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, Leandro l...@dutras.org escreveu:

 2014-07-24 10:59 GMT-03:00 Listeiro 037 listeiro_...@yahoo.com.br:
 
  Não estou conseguindo instalar pacotes da arquitetura i386 em
  arquitetura amd64. Mesmo após o --add-architecture a coisa não se
  resolve. Parece que o ia32-libs mudou de nome ou há muitos pacotes
  quebrados. No Wheezy não há problema.
 
 Não precisa mais ia32-libs
 
 
  Alguém consegue instalá-los ou aguarda-se a resolução de
  dependências?
 
 Aqui funciona normal, não lembro de ter feito nada especificamente.
 
 


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Re: FWIW: script vs. configurtion file

2014-07-24 Thread saint

Zenaan Harkness writes:
  Scripting has its place, but from my extensive reading
  of systemd docs and some of the old sysv startup scripts
  (for postfix and various others over the years), give me
  systemd unit files any day! Preference. Mine.

De gustibus non disputandum est (you can't argue about personal taste)

In the list of things I don't like of crapsystemd, the format
of the configuration files comes last and least :).

  For games customization,

Games only? Whenever a user has to do repetitive tasks, giving a scripting
capability improves the user experience. And since you have this scripting
capability, handling configuration through that is a wise move.

Scripting makes a program extensible when you can't achieve extensibility
by composition with other programs.

And depending on which service a daemon does, extensibility may be
crucial or useless :).

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Re: systemd log messages during boot (Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-24 Thread Tom H

On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org
said:
Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:

As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages
without also getting kernel log messages
Of course there is.

Might help if you actually tried it before commenting on it?

The systemd.* specific flags override the global quiet flag. The

So you can very well keep the quiet kernel command line argument and use

systemd.show_status=true|false
systemd.sysv_console=true|false
systemd.log_level=...
systemd.log_target=...

etc. to control in a very fine grained manner, how the data is logged.

It would be interesting if the default was not changed, ie. same
behaviour when using the default configuration.

The default wasn't changed, really.
It's simply that SysV init scripts are so horribly inconsistent and
interpret the quiet parameter differently. So we don't have a
consistent behaviour wrt to logging and output.

The defauklt was changed in that nomessage at all, no sign of any
progression is NOT the former behaviour.

The example skeleton SysV init script /etc/init.d/skeleton, which is
supposed to be a base for newly written init scripts uses
/lib/init/init-d-script. If you take a look at that script, you'll see
that prefixes its log message with [ $VERBOSE != no ] log_*_msg

And surprise, VERBOSE is set to no by /lib/init/vars.sh if the kernel
command line contains quiet.

Thankfully, this is all fixed now with systemd, where you have a
consistent and central place to configure that.

NO it ids NOT fixed,k because what imports is NOT the theory but the
actual behaviour. The actual behaviour is changed, and the new one is
more than disturbing.

The behavior of the boot messages hasn't changed for me and according
to the systemd man pages it shouldn't. So your setup must be
different.

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Re: /var partition seems locked or read only

2014-07-24 Thread berenger . morel




Le 24.07.2014 00:04, Pascal Hambourg a écrit :

Vincent Zweije a écrit :

On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 09:59:26AM -0700, der.hans wrote:

Do you have large open files that have been removed? The filesystem 
will
show those as free space, but until the proceses holding the files 
open

have been stopped the disk space has not been freed.


du (which uses the directory tree) would not show the space allocated 
to

deleted-but-not-yet-closed files as used, but df would.


Thanks to all who replied, but it was not a process problem, since I 
tried rebooting it (you like to play, or not, right?).



This looks most probable to me. Try this:


Inode exhaustion (df -i) looks more probable to me.


Nice, you point the problem, it seem:

# df -i
Sys. de fichiers Inœuds IUtil. ILibre IUti% Monté sur
/dev/sda3610800  46946 5638548% /
udev 506659376 5062831% /dev
tmpfs507294339 5069551% /run
tmpfs507294  2 5072921% /run/lock
tmpfs507294  2 5072921% /run/shm
/dev/sda2  1152286866   25% /boot
/dev/sda5  9568   1246   8322   14% /home
/dev/sda7243840 15 2438251% /tmp
/dev/sda6 13952  13952  0  100% /var

I guess that I need to delete files to have a temporary resolution of 
the problem, but how can I avoid it to come back?



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Re: /var partition seems locked or read only

2014-07-24 Thread berenger . morel




Le 23.07.2014 19:06, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI a écrit :

On Qua, 23 Jul 2014, berenger.morel wrote:
On a distant Debian testing/unstable, it seems that the /var  
partition can no longer be written: even # touch /var/test returns  
a message saying that there is no space on the drive, which is  
something that # df -h deny:


Check df -i also.


Thanks, that's the problem, my inode spool has exhausted.

Now, I have no idea about how can I fix this issue. May it be 
aptcacheng which is too greedy about inodes?



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New 64bit Installation. Root partition too small--what to do?

2014-07-24 Thread David Baron

Yes, indeed. I previously complained about its partitioning with little 
capability to revise it! (I did not use LVM because it put everything in one 
big physical partition which I also did not like.)

So, want to install a more recent kernel? No room.

While I was able to bind /opt and /usr/local to folders on my /home partition 
(which is most all of the disk!), root obviously cannot be so bound. Must be 
available to boot. (No huge loss with no /opt or local available to start.)

So now, what can I do, short of moving everything to another disk (this is the 
one which had unwritable block which necessitated the new install!)??
Could I move /var like I did /opt, etc (probably a good idea) and move rootfs 
to there? Would know how to set it up in lilo but in grub?

Must have at least one fully working kernel around before trying any other and 
cannot fulfill this at present! :-(


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Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )

2014-07-24 Thread Bret Busby

On 24/07/2014, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 7/24/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/07/2014, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 7/24/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/07/2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit :
Ahoj,

it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing
users.

I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically
at least), so we could imagine that different MLs for (beta-)testing
and
productive usage (questions about how to do... and stable related
bugs
would go there, I guess).
Now, I have no idea about the complexity of maintaining a new ML.
Maybe
there are also problems because some issues can not clearly affect
only
one of both testing and stable?

I would like to see a list for each of:
experimental
unstable
testing
stable (by version number, eg, at present, 7)
oldstable (by version number, eg, at present, 6)
obsolete (versions previous to oldstable)
hybrid - combinations of the above, eg, where people mix stable and
testing,
etc

I believe that it would be helpful, and, would provide for most
scenario's, and, when a new release occurs (eg, for Debian 8), the
archives get each moved into the lower level archive, so the oldstable
archive goes into the obsolete, the stable archive goes into the
oldstable, and the testing archive goes into the stabl;e achive.

Or, the top three;
experimental
unstable
testing
then by version number;
7
6
5
4
3.1
3

No no, that's really impractical - the applications man,
the applications!

We need a list for each package! You can't ruly home in
on your questions of interest until you have dedicated
lists for each package.

Sometimes, those lists should have a repeater which
copies each message to a corresponding upstream list
(I'm thinking mutt for example, but I'm sure there's
others).

so mutt-debian-users@.., postgresql-debian-users@... etc.

Well, there are application lists.

PostgreSQL has its own lists, MySQL has its own lists, Fetchmail has
its own list, Posfix has its own list, Procmail has its own list,
alpine has its own list, GRAMPS has its own list, GnuCash has its own
list, as mentioned in another thread (the one about iceape), Seamonkey
has its own list, and, as the King (as played by Yul Brynner) said,
etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

There's a slashdot saying appropriate just here ...
not quite sure what that is, it's ...
going over my head right now.

;)

I do not understand the last posting above.

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Re: New 64bit Installation. Root partition too small--what to do?

2014-07-24 Thread Darac Marjal

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:16:32PM +0300, David Baron wrote:
 Yes, indeed. I previously complained about its partitioning with little 
 capability to revise it! (I did not use LVM because it put everything in one 
 big physical partition which I also did not like.)
 
 So, want to install a more recent kernel? No room.
 
 While I was able to bind /opt and /usr/local to folders on my /home partition 
 (which is most all of the disk!), root obviously cannot be so bound. Must be 
 available to boot. (No huge loss with no /opt or local available to start.)
 
 So now, what can I do, short of moving everything to another disk (this is 
 the 
 one which had unwritable block which necessitated the new install!)??
 Could I move /var like I did /opt, etc (probably a good idea) and move rootfs 
 to there? Would know how to set it up in lilo but in grub?
 
 Must have at least one fully working kernel around before trying any other 
 and 
 cannot fulfill this at present! :-(

Download, burn and boot a copy of GParted-Live[1], which is a live-cd for 
GParted,
the partition manager. Use that to shrink your, say, home partition and
grow your root partition.

Another alternative, if you need minimal downtime and you can unmount
hour home partition is to shrink that, create a second root partition
and copy everything onto that, adjust grub to boot the new root
partition and then delete the old one and grow your home back into the
recovered space. In other words:

 [--- root ---] [- home ---]
 [--- root ---] [- home ]
 [--- root ---] [- home ] [--- new root ---]
 *** Reboot ***
[- home ] [--- new root ---]
 [- home ---] [--- new root ---]


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Re: Special hotkeys for Openbox and LXDE users

2014-07-24 Thread Curt

On 2014-07-24, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:

 Sometimes I use right hand, but mostly left hand. It did take a week
 or two to get really comfortable both sides.


Yes the OP assumes right-handedness, doesn't he? My wife is both
gauchiste and gauchère; sharing a mouse was l'enfer (because of the
cable and my right-handedness), until we got a wireless one for her
laptop.

I suppose someone will pipe up to say that more people are right-handed
than left-handed, and we must seek to satisfy the majority in all
things. Of course, in the past (that murky sea), it was often the case
here and there for the authorities to enforce right-handedness in
left-handed people.  As a school girl my wife sat at a desk with the ink
well on the right; she'd dip her plume and strew cryptic hieroglyphs
over her copy as she brought the writing instrument over to her good
side. As she spent a few years interned with the nuns, I think those
sour biddies would whack her with a ruler from time to time.  Praise the Lord
and full speed ahead.

By the way, that's ambidextrous with an x, like the one in dexterity.


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Re: systemd log messages during boot (Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-24 Thread Erwan David

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:42:52AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said:
 On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org 
  said:
  Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
  Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
  Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
 
  As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages
  without also getting kernel log messages
  Of course there is.
 
  Might help if you actually tried it before commenting on it?
 
  The systemd.* specific flags override the global quiet flag. The
 
  So you can very well keep the quiet kernel command line argument and use
 
  systemd.show_status=true|false
  systemd.sysv_console=true|false
  systemd.log_level=...
  systemd.log_target=...
 
  etc. to control in a very fine grained manner, how the data is logged.
 
  It would be interesting if the default was not changed, ie. same
  behaviour when using the default configuration.
 
  The default wasn't changed, really.
  It's simply that SysV init scripts are so horribly inconsistent and
  interpret the quiet parameter differently. So we don't have a
  consistent behaviour wrt to logging and output.
 
  The defauklt was changed in that nomessage at all, no sign of any
  progression is NOT the former behaviour.
 
  The example skeleton SysV init script /etc/init.d/skeleton, which is
  supposed to be a base for newly written init scripts uses
  /lib/init/init-d-script. If you take a look at that script, you'll see
  that prefixes its log message with [ $VERBOSE != no ]  log_*_msg
 
  And surprise, VERBOSE is set to no by /lib/init/vars.sh if the kernel
  command line contains quiet.
 
  Thankfully, this is all fixed now with systemd, where you have a
  consistent and central place to configure that.
 
  NO it ids NOT fixed,k because what imports is NOT the theory but the
  actual behaviour. The actual behaviour is changed, and the new one is
  more than disturbing.
 
 The behavior of the boot messages hasn't changed for me and according
 to the systemd man pages it shouldn't. So your setup must be
 different.

I did not change anything, I had messages from all starting daemons, I
have no more if I do not add systelmd.show_status=true in an unrelated
configuration file (/etc/default/grub)

That's all that I see.


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this is a test mail, please ignore.

2014-07-24 Thread Dc G

hey, just for testing.

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Re: /var partition seems locked or read only

2014-07-24 Thread berenger . morel




Le 23.07.2014 18:38, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit :

Hello.

On a distant Debian testing/unstable, it seems that the /var
partition can no longer be written: even # touch /var/test returns 
a
message saying that there is no space on the drive, which is 
something

that # df -h deny:

# df -h
Sys. de fichiers Taille Utilisé Dispo Uti% Monté sur
/dev/sda3  9,1G954M  7,7G  11% /
udev10M   0   10M   0% /dev
tmpfs  397M384K  396M   1% /run
tmpfs  5,0M   0  5,0M   0% /run/lock
tmpfs  2,7G   0  2,7G   0% /run/shm
/dev/sda2  4,4G 27M  4,4G   1% /boot
/dev/sda5   38G 22G   16G  58% /home
/dev/sda7  447M 17K  423M   1% /tmp
/dev/sda6   14G2,7G  8,7G  24% /var

So, I am guessing that something is locking the partition, but I have
no idea about *what* could do that. I tried disabling as many daemons
that I can, so that # service --status-all |grep '+' returns this:

# service --status-all |grep '+'
 [ ? ]  bootmisc.sh
 [ ? ]  checkfs.sh
 [ ? ]  checkroot-bootclean.sh
 [ ? ]  hwclock.sh
 [ ? ]  ircd-irc2
 [ ? ]  killprocs
 [ ? ]  kmod
 [ ? ]  mountall-bootclean.sh
 [ ? ]  mountall.sh
 [ ? ]  mountdevsubfs.sh
 [ ? ]  mountkernfs.sh
 [ ? ]  mountnfs-bootclean.sh
 [ ? ]  mountnfs.sh
 [ ? ]  networking
 [ ? ]  rc.local
 [ + ]  rsyslog
 [ ? ]  sendsigs
 [ + ]  ssh
 [ + ]  udev
 [ ? ]  udev-finish
 [ ? ]  umountfs
 [ ? ]  umountnfs.sh
 [ ? ]  umountroot

but it changes nothing. Any idea/supposition/whatever?

Some other informations which might help:
The problem started with a network failure, which avoided aptitude to
download, and so update, some packages, and now some packages are
broken (but dpkg was not concerned by the update). If I can still
trust /var/lib/dpkg/status, it seems that the most important breakage
may come from libasan0 (Status: install reinstreq half-configured)
which is needed by libgcc-4.8-dev, itself needed by linux-headers, so
I do not think it is the source of the problem, but... maybe?

According to /etc/mtab, the var partition is mounted as rw:
/dev/sda6 /var ext4 rw,nodev,noatime,data=ordered 0 0.


Thanks to people which have replied, it appears that the problem is the 
inode's exhaustion.
I have identified with lot of find /var/DIRECTORY -name '*' that 
the problem comes from the cache, and especially from apt-cacher-ng, but 
I think I also made an error when I made the partitions: it was probably 
a wrong choice to choose big files inode repartition, that I used 
because I fought that it would preserve some disk space (the 
installation of this machine was on a 80GB only hard disk, so I tried to 
optimize --early optimization caught me anew, it seems-- the space, 
because lot of things to run on it).


So, I wonder if there is a way to fix this inode's size repartition? In 
a more general way, if people have some advices about that kind of 
issues (choosing the right cluster and partitions size, the right 
partition format, etc depending on the planned usage)?
I know, those questions (and the error I supposed I made) may seem 
trivial for real administrators, but... I'm a simple programmer, not an 
admin.



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Re: missing LSB tags and overrides

2014-07-24 Thread Tony van der Hoff

On 23/07/14 15:24, Darac Marjal wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 09:41:08AM +0200, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
 Any suggestions on how to fix this please?


 insserv: warning: script 'K01kerneld' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'K01apache' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'S15modutils' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'S15libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and
 overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'S15xfree86-common' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'xfree86-common' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'modutils' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'iptables' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'kerneld' missing LSB tags and overrides
 insserv: warning: script 'apache' missing LSB tags and overrides
 
 Step 1. Purge unconfigured packages providing init scripts. That is,
 init scripts are considers conffiles so removing the package doesn't
 remove the file. Because the package is removed, it doesn't get updates
 to fix problems such as above.
 
 Step 2. If you have any init scripts that you developed yourself, add
 proper headers[1] to the script.
 
 Step 3. If you have any init scripts that are provided by a third party,
 add the proper headers to a file in /etc/insserv/overrides. The filename
 must match that of the init script (not the symlinks thereto).
 

Thanks for all the replies, of which this one seems the most comprehensive.

I have no 3rd party scripts, nor do I have any home-brew scripts.

From the warning messages, I'll assume that the packages to purge would
be xfree86-common, libdevmapper1.02, iptables, kerneld, and apache. Of
those only iptables appears in the current wheezy list.

So:
root@shell2:/etc# apt-get -s purge xfree86-common, libdevmapper1.02,
iptables, kerneld, apache
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package 'apache' is not installed, so not removed
E: Unable to locate package xfree86-common,
E: Unable to locate package libdevmapper1.02,
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libdevmapper1.02,'
E: Unable to locate package iptables,
E: Unable to locate package kerneld,


I presume I could just delete those scripts.

Is that correct?


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inserting kernel modules on startup

After the latest round of upgrades in Jessie, I rebooted. That's when 
the problems started. I'm having problems getting the 3.14 kernel to 
boot, so I'm booting from 3.13. However, that's not the big issue.


The really annoying problem is that I have to boot to the command 
prompt, insmod radeon, then exit back to a regular boot in order to get 
the radeon module loaded.


Radeon is listed in /etc/modules.conf - has been for years. However the 
module isn't being loaded anymore. The Debian wiki, admin docs and other 
documentation on kernel modules in Debian all refer to the 
update-modules program which no longer seems to be around.


How do I get kernel modules to automatically load on startup in Jessie?


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no display manager for 3 days

2014-07-24 Thread Alan Simpson-Vlach

Ever since a dist-upgrade that installed systemd and removed sysvinit-core, I 
have been unable to get a display manager.
I have tried slim, lightdm, and even installed gdm3.  Nothing works.

# /etc/init.d/slim/start

gives no error messages, but

# systemctl status slim.service

tells me that slim exited with status=1

The pertinent line appears to be

/usr/bin/X11/X: symbol lookup error: 
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: undefined symbol: LoadExtension

which is similar to what happens if I try xinit directly.

Trying lightdm I get 

lightdm.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start.

I think this is a systemd problem, but maybe it's a video driver problem?
I'm using the proprietary nvidia driver, which has been recompiled multiple 
times now.
Help, please.  I'd kinda like to have a working X11 again.

Thanks.


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Re: missing LSB tags and overrides

2014-07-24 Thread Darac Marjal

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:33:42PM +0200, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
 On 23/07/14 15:24, Darac Marjal wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 09:41:08AM +0200, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
  Any suggestions on how to fix this please?
 
 
  insserv: warning: script 'K01kerneld' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'K01apache' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'S15modutils' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'S15libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and
  overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'S15xfree86-common' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'xfree86-common' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'modutils' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'iptables' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'kerneld' missing LSB tags and overrides
  insserv: warning: script 'apache' missing LSB tags and overrides
  
  Step 1. Purge unconfigured packages providing init scripts. That is,
  init scripts are considers conffiles so removing the package doesn't
  remove the file. Because the package is removed, it doesn't get updates
  to fix problems such as above.
  
  Step 2. If you have any init scripts that you developed yourself, add
  proper headers[1] to the script.
  
  Step 3. If you have any init scripts that are provided by a third party,
  add the proper headers to a file in /etc/insserv/overrides. The filename
  must match that of the init script (not the symlinks thereto).
  
 
 Thanks for all the replies, of which this one seems the most comprehensive.
 
 I have no 3rd party scripts, nor do I have any home-brew scripts.
 
 From the warning messages, I'll assume that the packages to purge would
 be xfree86-common, libdevmapper1.02, iptables, kerneld, and apache. Of
 those only iptables appears in the current wheezy list.
 
 So:
 root@shell2:/etc# apt-get -s purge xfree86-common, libdevmapper1.02,
 iptables, kerneld, apache
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 Package 'apache' is not installed, so not removed
 E: Unable to locate package xfree86-common,
 E: Unable to locate package libdevmapper1.02,
 E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libdevmapper1.02,'
 E: Unable to locate package iptables,
 E: Unable to locate package kerneld,

Try dpkg -l | grep '^rc' to list the packages that you have which are
removed, but not purged. If that doesn't help, then yes, you should be
fine to just delete them.

 
 
 I presume I could just delete those scripts.
 
 Is that correct?
 
 
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systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Johann Spies

This morning my work laptop would not boot.  I could not even get to single
user mode initially and when I got  as far as that I could not type
anything on the terminal.  I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused it.

In the end I had to search for a windows user who could write me a
debian-live cd.

Using this, I could, after using some hints shown in
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746358 get my system to
boot (taking about 10 minutes do do so) and just as I started to work it
rebooted spontaneously.

In the end after several experiments, I removed systemd and as a result a
lot of other packages, reinstalled sysvinit and it booted normally again
and now I can work.

I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is
going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation of my
system  and then use something that is less buggy than Debian Testing/Sid.

I have heard from a colleague of mine that on Mandriva and other systems he
has used systemd without such problems.

Regards
Johann

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Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Furie

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:

 I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is
 going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation of my
 system  and then use something that is less buggy than Debian Testing/Sid.

You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms
where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used for anything
mission critical, that's what stable is for.

Cheers,
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Re: New 64bit Installation. Root partition too small--what to do?

2014-07-24 Thread David Baron

On Thursday 24 July 2014 11:16:47 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org 
wrote:
  Yes, indeed. I previously complained about its partitioning with little
  capability to revise it! (I did not use LVM because it put everything in 
one
  big physical partition which I also did not like.)
 
  So, want to install a more recent kernel? No room.
 
  While I was able to bind /opt and /usr/local to folders on my /home  
partition
  (which is most all of the disk!), root obviously cannot be so bound. Must
be available to boot. (No huge loss with no /opt or local available to start
 
  So now, what can I do, short of moving everything to another disk (this is 
the
  one which had unwritable block which necessitated the new install!)??
  Could I move /var like I did /opt, etc (probably a good idea) and move  
rootfs
  to there? Would know how to set it up in lilo but in grub?
 
  Must have at least one fully working kernel around before trying any other 
and cannot fulfill this at present!

 Download, burn and boot a copy of GParted-Live[1], which is a live-cd for G=
 Parted,
 the partition manager. Use that to shrink your, say, home partition and
 grow your root partition.
 
 Another alternative, if you need minimal downtime and you can unmount
 hour home partition is to shrink that, create a second root partition
 and copy everything onto that, adjust grub to boot the new root
 partition and then delete the old one and grow your home back into the
 recovered space. In other words:
 
  [--- root ---] [- home ---]
  [--- root ---] [- home ]
  [--- root ---] [- home ] [--- new root ---]
  *** Reboot ***
 [- home ] [--- new root ---]
  [- home ---] [--- new root ---]

Had forgotten about that. Used partition-magic in windows for years.

Have the kde partition manager and gparted. Using to repartition and format 
the old disks for use as backups. One should backup first--how safe are these 
utilities (which would be run from the DVD or G-parted-live -- never had any 
problems with the old paid partition-magic, no backups back then either).

Anyway, could not format any primary partitions but have logicals available 
for backups.

I would shrink, move start of  home, then move and expand everything else in 
current order, keeping old root, just bigger. This would be OK, safe?


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Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Johann Spies

On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:

  I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is
  going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation of my
  system  and then use something that is less buggy than Debian
 Testing/Sid.

 You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms
 where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used for anything
 mission critical, that's what stable is for.


I am aware of that and has been using testing/sid for about 13 years now.
I have never experienced anything like this.

Regards
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Re: missing LSB tags and overrides

2014-07-24 Thread Tony van der Hoff

On 24/07/14 13:16, Darac Marjal wrote:

 Try dpkg -l | grep '^rc' to list the packages that you have which are
 removed, but not purged. If that doesn't help, then yes, you should be
 fine to just delete them.
 
OK, Thanks very much. Lots of hits:

root@vanderhoff:~# dpkg -l | grep '^rc'
rc  apache1.3.34-4.1+etch1
i386 versatile, high-performance HTTP server
rc  apache-common 1.3.34-4.1+etch1
i386 support files for all Apache webservers
rc  cyrus-admin-2.2   2.2.13-14+lenny3
all  Cyrus mail system (administration tools)
rc  cyrus-common-2.2  2.2.13-14+lenny3
i386 Cyrus mail system (common files)
rc  cyrus-imapd-2.2   2.2.13-14+lenny3
i386 Cyrus mail system (IMAP support)
rc  cyrus-pop3d-2.2   2.2.13-14+lenny3
i386 Cyrus mail system (POP3 support)
rc  defoma0.11.11
all  Debian Font Manager -- automatic font configuration framework
rc  dovecot-common1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1
i386 secure mail server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes
rc  dovecot-imapd 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1
i386 secure IMAP server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes


and many more.

How do I join this output into the purge command to save typing in each
package name?

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Re: no display manager for 3 days

2014-07-24 Thread Steve Litt

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:37:34 +
Alan Simpson-Vlach asimpson-vl...@laurelschool.org wrote:

 Ever since a dist-upgrade that installed systemd and removed
 sysvinit-core, I have been unable to get a display manager. I have
 tried slim, lightdm, and even installed gdm3.  Nothing works.
 
 # /etc/init.d/slim/start
 
 gives no error messages, but
 
 # systemctl status slim.service
 
 tells me that slim exited with status=1
 
 The pertinent line appears to be
 
 /usr/bin/X11/X: symbol lookup
 error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: undefined symbol:
 LoadExtension
 
 which is similar to what happens if I try xinit directly.
 
 Trying lightdm I get 
 
 lightdm.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start.
 
 I think this is a systemd problem, but maybe it's a video driver
 problem? I'm using the proprietary nvidia driver, which has been
 recompiled multiple times now. Help, please.  I'd kinda like to have
 a working X11 again.

Hi Alan,

I can't help you with the root cause, because I know less about
systemd than I know of the plant life at the North Pole, but if it
were me, for the time being, I'd just do the workaround and use
startx. You put your window manager in .xinitrc, and then from the
command prompt, as a normal user, type startx.

Here's my .xinitrc for Openbox:

 
exec /usr/bin/openbox-session


Here's a little humor to make you feel a little better: One of the
reasons I transitioned my daily driver desktop from Ubuntu to Debian is
so I would never have to use lightdm (or any of the other *dm's)
again. :-)

I'd imagine pretty soon your problem will fix itself on an update, and
you can go back to lightdm. But in the meantime, you can still do X.

HTH,

SteveT

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Re: inserting kernel modules on startup

2014-07-24 Thread Michael Biebl

Am 24.07.2014 12:42, schrieb Gary Dale:
 After the latest round of upgrades in Jessie, I rebooted. That's when
 the problems started. I'm having problems getting the 3.14 kernel to
 boot, so I'm booting from 3.13. However, that's not the big issue.
 
 The really annoying problem is that I have to boot to the command
 prompt, insmod radeon, then exit back to a regular boot in order to get
 the radeon module loaded.
 
 Radeon is listed in /etc/modules.conf - has been for years. However the

Can you post your modules.conf, please


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Re: no display manager for 3 days

On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 10:37:34 +, Alan Simpson-Vlach wrote:

 Ever since a dist-upgrade that installed systemd and removed
 sysvinit-core, I have been unable to get a display manager.

The dist-upgrade would have more than this. You are using testing?

 I have tried slim, lightdm, and even installed gdm3.  Nothing works.
 
 # /etc/init.d/slim/start
 
 gives no error messages, but
 
 # systemctl status slim.service
 
 tells me that slim exited with status=1
 
 The pertinent line appears to be
 
 /usr/bin/X11/X: symbol lookup error: 
 /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: undefined symbol: LoadExtension
 
 which is similar to what happens if I try xinit directly.
 
 Trying lightdm I get 
 
 lightdm.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start.
 
 I think this is a systemd problem, but maybe it's a video driver problem?
 I'm using the proprietary nvidia driver, which has been recompiled multiple 
 times now.
 Help, please.  I'd kinda like to have a working X11 again.

If xinit or startx will not bring up X it seems more like a video
problem to me. How do feel about using the nouveau driver if you cannot
fix the proprietry one?


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Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Tony van der Hoff

On 24/07/14 14:24, Johann Spies wrote:
 On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk
 mailto:t...@furie.org.uk wrote:
 
 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
 
  I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is
  going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation of my
  system  and then use something that is less buggy than Debian
 Testing/Sid.
 
 You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms
 where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used for anything
 mission critical, that's what stable is for.
 
 
 I am aware of that and has been using testing/sid for about 13 years
 now.  I have never experienced anything like this.
 

Well, neither have I :)
But then I use stable in order to avoid such occurrences.
Your luck had to run out sometime...

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Re: no display manager for 3 days

2014-07-24 Thread Michael Biebl

Am 24.07.2014 12:37, schrieb Alan Simpson-Vlach:
 Ever since a dist-upgrade that installed systemd and removed sysvinit-core, I 
 have been unable to get a display manager.
 I have tried slim, lightdm, and even installed gdm3.  Nothing works.
 
 # /etc/init.d/slim/start
 
 gives no error messages, but
 
 # systemctl status slim.service
 
 tells me that slim exited with status=1
 
 The pertinent line appears to be
 
 /usr/bin/X11/X: symbol lookup error: 
 /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: undefined symbol: LoadExtension
 
 which is similar to what happens if I try xinit directly.
 
 Trying lightdm I get 
 
 lightdm.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start.
 
 I think this is a systemd problem, but maybe it's a video driver problem?

No, that doesn't look like a systemd problem.

It looks like your GLX installation is broken, so X fails to start.

Are you using a binary driver like NVIDIA?


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Re: no display manager for 3 days

On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 08:50:49 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

 I can't help you with the root cause, because I know less about
 systemd than I know of the plant life at the North Pole, but if it
 were me, for the time being, I'd just do the workaround and use
 startx. You put your window manager in .xinitrc, and then from the
 command prompt, as a normal user, type startx.

It is much wiser to use ~/.xsession on Debian.


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Re: New 64bit Installation. Root partition too small--what to do?

On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 10:26:30 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:

 Download, burn and boot a copy of GParted-Live[1], which is a live-cd for 
 GParted,
 the partition manager. Use that to shrink your, say, home partition and
 grow your root partition.

A small point, which may be useful for those without blank CDs or who
wish tp save them for something else: the GParted-Live image is an
isohybrid so can be put on a USB stick with dd or cat.


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Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Slavko

Ahoj,

Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk
napísal:

 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
 
  I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it
  is going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation
  of my system  and then use something that is less buggy than Debian
  Testing/Sid.
 
 You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms
 where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used for anything
 mission critical, that's what stable is for.

No, i will not comply with this.

The testing must be in state, where it must to boot (except some boot
options tweaks) by default. I think, that nobody here will complain if
some of software/services on testing doesn't work, but computer must to
boot!

If it will not boot, then it is not appropriate to mission critical
only, but then it is not appropriate to nothing. And because the NFS is
installed by default, then it can be considered as is used by
default too, then system doesn't boot for default and IMO this is a
problem.

BTW, i am curious - if systemd maintainers will allow to set the higher
severity for some bug and if then it will be removed from testing
after time threshold) :P

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Re: /var partition seems locked or read only

2014-07-24 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI


On Qui, 24 Jul 2014, berenger.morel wrote:
So, I wonder if there is a way to fix this inode's size repartition?  
In a more general way, if people have some advices about that kind  
of issues (choosing the right cluster and partitions size, the right  
partition format, etc depending on the planned usage)?
I know, those questions (and the error I supposed I made) may seem  
trivial for real administrators, but... I'm a simple programmer, not  
an admin.


It's not possible to change the number of inodes after the filesystem  
has been created. You'll have to backup and create a new filesystem.


As far as I remember, I've always accepted the defaults for number of  
inodes, and I've never got even close to exhausting inodes.


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Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 14:24:36 +0200, Johann Spies wrote:

 On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote:
 
 I am aware of that and has been using testing/sid for about 13 years now.
 I have never experienced anything like this.

You are now. :)

Look on the bright side; the BTS came to the rescue.


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Re: Lost high res desktop settings on vbox upgrade to 4.3.14

2014-07-24 Thread Klaus

On 23/07/14 22:04, Harry Putnam wrote:
 Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se writes:
 
 I upgraded vbox from 4.3.10 to 4.3 14.  Now the best screen res I can
 get in 1024 x 768.   When it was something like 1500 x .  Not sure
 of exact setting but desktop was much larger when I logged in before
 this upgrade.


 An ISO with guest additions is linked in the final post here:

 https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3t=62629

 That solved the problem(s) for me.
 
 Thanks for the clear input.
 
 Downloaded and mounted and installed from that iso.
 
 However, after a restart I still have no res choices other than
 1024x768.
 
 Maybe this is the reason:
 
 When I do the install, I get a warning that the header files for my
 running kernel were not found.
 
 ASIDE showing installed kernel and installed header pkgs:
   NOTE: uname -r 
 3.14-1-486
 
 aptitude search headers |grep ^i
 
   i   linux-headers-3.14-1-486- Header files for Linux 3.14-1-486 
 
   i A linux-headers-3.14-1-686-pae- Header files for Linux 3.14-1-686-pae 
 
   i   linux-headers-3.14-1-all-i386   - All header files for Linux 3.14 
 (meta-pack
   i A linux-headers-3.14-1-amd64  - Header files for Linux 3.14-1-amd64   
 
   i A linux-headers-3.14-1-common - Common header files for Linux 3.14-1  
 
   i A linux-headers-3.14-1-common-rt  - Common header files for Linux 
 3.14-1-rt   
   i A linux-headers-3.14-1-rt-686-pae - Header files for Linux 
 3.14-1-rt-686-pae  
 
 (surely one of those installed pkgs has to be the right headers..You'd
 think the very first one is itso why are they not found...)
 
 The next steps are building the modules and near as I can tell it
 succeeds:
 
 here is the action: 
 
 --- --- ---=--- --- --- 
  NOTE:
   Since I have already installed the iso you'll notice it remove that
   pkg and then re-installs it.
 
   There is some commentary about xorg driver not being installed that
   might also be why I'm not getting the result you did.
 
   There seems to be nothing mentioned to indicate any modules failed
   to build so perhaps the bit about the X.org drivers not being
   installed is the main culprit?
 ---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 
 
   (I've marked out the pertinent parts with asterisks).
 
 root # sh  VBoxLinuxAdditions.run 
 
 Verifying archive integrity... All good.
 Uncompressing VirtualBox 4.3.15 Guest Additions for Linux
 VirtualBox Guest Additions installer
 Removing installed version 4.3.15 of VirtualBox Guest Additions...
 Copying additional installer modules ...
 Installing additional modules ...
 Removing existing VirtualBox non-DKMS kernel modules ...done.
 Building the VirtualBox Guest Additions kernel modules
 
 *
 The headers for the current running kernel were not found. If the
 following module compilation fails then this could be the reason.
 *
 
 Building the main Guest Additions module ...done.
 Building the shared folder support module ...done.
 Building the OpenGL support module ...done.
 Doing non-kernel setup of the Guest Additions ...done.
 
 You should restart your guest to make sure the new modules are
 actually used
 
 Installing the Window System drivers
 
 ***
 Warning: unsupported pre-release version of X.Org Server installed.  Not
 installing the X.Org drivers.
  ...done.
 ***
 
 Installing graphics libraries and desktop services components ...done.
 
 
Could it be that you don't have dkms installed on the virtual machine?
What response do you get for:

$ apt-cache policy dkms


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Re: exact name of headers for 3.14-1-486

2014-07-24 Thread Curt

On 2014-07-23, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:

 Any ideas why vbox continues to report not finding header files for my
 running kernel?

I don't know. Have you installed virtualbox-guest-dkms?

Yes, I'm answering a question with a question.


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Re: Special hotkeys for Openbox and LXDE users

2014-07-24 Thread Steve Litt

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:40:33 + (UTC)
Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:

 On 2014-07-24, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
 
  Sometimes I use right hand, but mostly left hand. It did take a week
  or two to get really comfortable both sides.
 
 
 Yes the OP assumes right-handedness, doesn't he? 

Yes, I did, and I forgot to mention that as one of my assumptions. If
one mouses with his/her left hand, most of those one-hand hotkeys would
need to be moved to the right side.

It's odd I forgot to mention this as an assumption, because both my
mother and my daughter are left handed.

 My wife is both
 gauchiste and gauchère; sharing a mouse was l'enfer (because of the
 cable and my right-handedness), until we got a wireless one for her
 laptop.
 
 I suppose someone will pipe up to say that more people are
 right-handed than left-handed, and we must seek to satisfy the
 majority in all things. 

We needn't go that far. The functionalities I identified are a great
set for a person using a computer; the exact hotkeys to trigger them
can be adjusted by each individual to his/her exact maximum efficiency.

 Of course, in the past (that murky sea), it
 was often the case here and there for the authorities to enforce
 right-handedness in left-handed people.  

They tried to do that with my mother as a child, and she was very bitter
about it. From a very early age (6) I remember her frustration at living
in a right handed world. Every time she used a scissors, she got royally
pissed.

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Re: missing LSB tags and overrides

On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 14:43:06 +0200, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

 How do I join this output into the purge command to save typing in each
 package name?

A=$(dpkg -l | sed  '1,5d' | grep ^rc | awk -F  '{print $2}')

dpkg -P $A


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Re: exact name of headers for 3.14-1-486

2014-07-24 Thread Klaus

On 23/07/14 21:36, Harry Putnam wrote:
 uname -r:

   3.14-1-486

$ apt-cache show linux-headers-3.14-1-486

snip
Depends: linux-headers-3.14-1-common (= 3.14.12-1), linux-kbuild-3.14,
linux-compiler-gcc-4.8-x86
Description-en: Header files for Linux 3.14-1-486
 This package provides the architecture-specific kernel header files for
 Linux kernel 3.14-1-486, generally used for building out-of-tree kernel
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tune2fs: last write time is weeks or even months ago, moreover before last reboot

2014-07-24 Thread David Guyot

Hello, there.

I recently noticed that one of our servers was horribly slow when
aptitude upgrading, at the point that installing a simple mysql update
took a minute or so, when this server is in no way overloaded : twenty
or so mail accounts, not heavily used, an intranet with its MySQL daemon
and a front web page and under 1 Mbps on network interface. I forcefully
checked mdadm clusters: they're all clean. I checked RAID attributes: I
got a full scale reading on the read error rate on one of the two disks
— in fact a 2^16 value, so I assumed this was a positive integer
counter which reached its full scale reading — but this value disappeared
when I tried to investigate and dropped back to zero. Already a problem
because, as far as I know, this value just can't decrease, only increase;
am I right to suspect a faulty hard disk ?

Besides that, I listed the filesystems — all of them being ext3 —
parameters with tune2fs, and the I saw strange values at last
mount/write dates : every filesystems say that these dates are a few
weeks ago, at a moment I restarted the server — cleanly, I mean. Worse
than that, the / filesystem says that it hasn't been written since the
7th of December, 2013. That's more than seven months ago ! I would make
clear that this server's clock is NTP-synchronised; I just checked it
and it has corrects date and time; in addition, inodes counts are OK,
there are plenty of them free, and filesystems are not even used at 10%.
In fact, I see nothing else wrong with these filesystems. Apart from the
strange change in RAID attributes values, virtually nothing is wrong with
these disks besides the inconsistent last write dates in the filesystems.
I noticed that our other servers also show a last write date some weeks
ago, so I assume these values are consistent, but seven months ago, with
at least one reboot and a server always running since December ? I can't
imagine a logical reason for such a period. Do you know if this long
period is consistent ? If so, why is it consistent ? If not, does that
mean that a hard disk is to be changed ? The one whose RAID attributes
values are so erratic ? By the way, how can such a value decrease from
full scale reading to zero in a matter of minutes — during an extended
self-test, I should add ?

I was considering running the sync command to forcibly flush disks
caches, but, as the filesystems are all that slow that a single file
remove with rm took around a minute and slowed I/O at the point that
half the CPU cores where used for I/O wait, I'm not sure this is a good
idea to launch a sync. In fact, would a sync be effective ? fask,
maybe ? What else could be effective ?

Thank you in advance for your answers.

Regards.

PS: I will of course provide any needed additional information, as long
as it isn't a critical information for our server's security.
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Re: missing LSB tags and overrides

2014-07-24 Thread Steve Kemp

On Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 14:40:14 +0100, Brian wrote:

  How do I join this output into the purge command to save typing in each
  package name?
 
 A=$(dpkg -l | sed  '1,5d' | grep ^rc | awk -F  '{print $2}')

  That seems needlessly complex, using both sed and awk.

  Removing sed you could use this:

 dpkg --list | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}'

  And given that awk can be used to match you could drop the grep too:

dpkg --list | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' 

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Logwatch output in the Kernel section

2014-07-24 Thread Sharon Kimble

I have two problems that have been bothering me for some time, the first
for about several days, and the second for a week or two.

 - This has begun appearing in my daily Logwatch output, and now using
   these file managers is virtually impossible as they are so
   untrustworthy. But what can I do about them, they only just crash out
   stating that there is a seg fault? Sometimes it crashes after several
   minutes, and sometimes after several hours, nothing seems to be a
   trigger, it just crashes. Even thunar crashes too!
 --8---cut here---start-8---
 WARNING:  Segmentation Faults in these executables
caja :  4 Time(s)
gmain :  1 Time(s)
nautilus :  1 Time(s)
nemo :  2 Time(s) 
--8---cut here---end---8---

 - The second one shows every day. sde1 is an external usb drive
   formatted ext4 which is rather important as it is my backup
   drive. How should I resolve it please?
 --8---cut here---start-8---
 WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
EXT4-fs (sde1): error count: 1 ...:  1 Time(s)
EXT4-fs (sde1): initial error at 1397381477: _ ...:  1 Time(s)
EXT4-fs (sde1): last error at 1397381477: _ ...:  1 Time(s) 
--8---cut here---end---8---

Both of these errors show up in Logwatch output in the Kernel section.

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Re: missing LSB tags and overrides

2014-07-24 Thread Darac Marjal

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 03:07:37PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote:
 On Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 14:40:14 +0100, Brian wrote:
 
   How do I join this output into the purge command to save typing in each
   package name?
  
  A=$(dpkg -l | sed  '1,5d' | grep ^rc | awk -F  '{print $2}')
 
   That seems needlessly complex, using both sed and awk.
 
   Removing sed you could use this:
 
  dpkg --list | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}'
 
   And given that awk can be used to match you could drop the grep too:
 
 dpkg --list | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' 

All this, of course, assumes the OP doesn't want to use the previously
mentioned suggestion of aptitude purge '~c'. And that's fair enough;
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Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Sharon Kimble

Johann Spies johann.sp...@gmail.com writes:

 This morning my work laptop would not boot.  I could not even get to single 
 user mode initially and when I got  as far as that I could not
 type anything on the terminal.  I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused it.

 In the end I had to search for a windows user who could write me a 
 debian-live cd.

 Using this, I could, after using some hints shown in 
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746358 get my system to 
 boot (taking
 about 10 minutes do do so) and just as I started to work it rebooted 
 spontaneously.

 In the end after several experiments, I removed systemd and as a result a lot 
 of other packages, reinstalled sysvinit and it booted normally
 again and now I can work.

 I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is going 
 to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation of my
 system  and then use something that is less buggy than Debian Testing/Sid. 

 I have heard from a colleague of mine that on Mandriva and other systems he 
 has used systemd without such problems.

Yesterday I had the same problem when I rebooted, it left me at a tty
screen, where I was prompted to input my login and password, it then
lead on to my lightdm screen, as expected.

Whilst booting it showed an error message, which I've since been unable
to find, that systemd had broken error/start messages.

It was a bit of a shock to find that I was now using systemd, as I was
intending to not use it until forced to, but since then I haven't found
any problems, but then I haven't rebooted since then either.

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Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2014-07-24 16:18 +0200, Sharon Kimble wrote:

 Johann Spies johann.sp...@gmail.com writes:

 This morning my work laptop would not boot.  I could not even get to
 single user mode initially and when I got  as far as that I could
 not
 type anything on the terminal.  I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused it.

There should be at least some message on the terminal, although other
people have not been able to log in in that situation either[1].

 Yesterday I had the same problem when I rebooted, it left me at a tty
 screen, where I was prompted to input my login and password, it then
 lead on to my lightdm screen, as expected.

That's not the same problem.  In fact, it is not even a problem but
merely the fact that getty starts up much faster than X.

 Whilst booting it showed an error message, which I've since been unable
 to find, that systemd had broken error/start messages.

You should be able to find them in the journal, see journalctl(1).
Note that that systemd clears the boot messages by default when it
starts getty, see [2] on how to change that.

Cheers,
   Sven


1. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755581
2. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disable_Clearing_of_Boot_Messages


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Desktop sharing question

2014-07-24 Thread Nelson Green

Good morning all,

I have a new, novice Debian user running the XFCE desktop on his PC. I
would like to be able to share his desktop to me so that I can see
what he is seeing and offer instruction and advice. I have used VNC to
connect to a different X screens, but I'm not sure how to arrange
things so that we can both see the same screen a the same time. I'm
not necessarily interested in being able to control his session, just
to see what he sees. Would someone mind pointing me towards some
learning material regarding how to do this?

Thanks,
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Re: Desktop sharing question

2014-07-24 Thread Bzzzz

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:36:47 -0500
Nelson Green nelsongree...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good morning all,

Good afternoon alone,

 PC. I would like to be able to share his desktop to me so that I
 can see what he is seeing and offer instruction and advice. I have

Use X2GO (x2go.org), it includes a 'desktop sharing' function
and just need an access to the SSH port. Furthermore, is uses
NX libraries, greatly accelerating graphic transfers (compared
yo VNC).
You can also access it without a password (you'll need the 
other side 'id_rsa' private key, though).

If you don't wanna open a forwarding in the box|modem at the
young padaWAN's home, use teamviewer (but it is non-free and
non-open-source, so… take your chances against nsa, fbi, homeland
security, cia, cfr, nwo, tsa, etc:).

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Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Sharon Kimble

Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes:

 On 2014-07-24 16:18 +0200, Sharon Kimble wrote:

 Johann Spies johann.sp...@gmail.com writes:

 This morning my work laptop would not boot.  I could not even get to
 single user mode initially and when I got  as far as that I could
 not
 type anything on the terminal.  I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused it.

 There should be at least some message on the terminal, although other
 people have not been able to log in in that situation either[1].

 Yesterday I had the same problem when I rebooted, it left me at a tty
 screen, where I was prompted to input my login and password, it then
 lead on to my lightdm screen, as expected.

 That's not the same problem.  In fact, it is not even a problem but
 merely the fact that getty starts up much faster than X.

 Whilst booting it showed an error message, which I've since been unable
 to find, that systemd had broken error/start messages.

 You should be able to find them in the journal, see journalctl(1).
 Note that that systemd clears the boot messages by default when it
 starts getty, see [2] on how to change that.

 Cheers,
Sven


 1. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755581
 2. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disable_Clearing_of_Boot_Messages

Thanks for this, this is the error message that I saw
--8---cut here---start-8---
Jul 23 06:34:47 london systemd[1]: Breaking ordering cycle by deleting job 
downtimed.service/start
Jul 23 06:34:47 london systemd[1]: Job downtimed.service/start deleted to break 
ordering cycle starting with basic.target/start
--8---cut here---end---8---

Hope it helps
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gnome 3: ways to set to play an audio file when battery power is very low?

2014-07-24 Thread Kejia柯嘉

Hi,

In gnome 3, is there a way to set to play sound for warning low battery power?

Thanks a lot.

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Daniel

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Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Paul E Condon

On 20140724_1411+0100, Brian wrote:
 On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 14:24:36 +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
 
  On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote:
  
  I am aware of that and has been using testing/sid for about 13 years now.
  I have never experienced anything like this.
 
 You are now. :)
 
 Look on the bright side; the BTS came to the rescue.

I've been using Debian since the time of Y2K. From the beginning I
believed that running testing was a path to advancement as a
programmer or sysadmin. I thought I might study Debian by using the
testing distribution, but I never made much progress on this path.

Over the years I have developed little tricks to smooth over the
inevitable rough times in the transition to a new release. This time
is different. Before, when I sensed that a pre-release freeze was
immanent I would dist-upgrade to testing so that I would already be
using the new packages at the moment of official release. Now I have
little confidence in this strategy, and instead I am hoping to survive
the chaos by sticking with Wheezy until that happy future time when
everyone using Jessie is happily singing its praise. But when the time
comes for me to leave Wheezy behind, Jessie may very well be old and
nearing replacement. In which case, dist-upgrade to the testing
release of that future time may not be possible without intermediate
steps, and the transition will be by way of a full backup to external
HD followed by a clean install of whatever makes the most sense at
that future time. To that end, I am doing practice installs using a
second computer as an Approx proxy repository. I'm getting pretty good
at it. Well, maybe not by other people's standards, but much better
than the first time. 

I suggest that people who complain about testing/Jessie being unusable
for days on end, figure out how to modify their behavior to better
conform to the current reality. Everybody running testing should have
an interest in some day becoming a Debian developer, whatever their
current skill level is today. And maybe even some who do have such a
goal should step aside for a while to lessen the burden on the
developers to hand-hold them. These are tough times.

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Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Joe

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:00:05 +0200
Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:

 Ahoj,
 
 Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk
 napísal:
 
  On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
  
   I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way
   it is going to waste my time, I will have to look at a
   reinstallation of my system  and then use something that is less
   buggy than Debian Testing/Sid.
  
  You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test
  platforms where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used
  for anything mission critical, that's what stable is for.
 
 No, i will not comply with this.
 
 The testing must be in state, where it must to boot (except some boot
 options tweaks) by default. I think, that nobody here will complain if
 some of software/services on testing doesn't work, but computer must
 to boot!
 
 If it will not boot, then it is not appropriate to mission critical
 only, but then it is not appropriate to nothing. And because the NFS
 is installed by default, then it can be considered as is used by
 default too, then system doesn't boot for default and IMO this is a
 problem.
 

I don't think this is intentional. It's not the first non-booting issue
I've had with sid, and each time it seems that not many other people
have the problem.

I'm sure a lot of testing has been done, but unfortunately the switch
to systemd from a mature sysvinit installation ('drop-in replacement')
seems to be quite stressful, and a few systems have broken badly,
including one of mine. (I still have two unmigrated sids...)

A new systemd installation is likely to be much more stable, and while
my main workstation is mostly working, there are far too many error
messages for my liking, as well as crashes during most shutdowns. It
may be worth rebuilding to get a more reliable system, when I get the
time, as I have the feeling it will be a less frustrating experience
than trying to fix the existing system.

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Re: inserting kernel modules on startup


On 24/07/14 08:56 AM, Michael Biebl wrote:

Am 24.07.2014 12:42, schrieb Gary Dale:

After the latest round of upgrades in Jessie, I rebooted. That's when
the problems started. I'm having problems getting the 3.14 kernel to
boot, so I'm booting from 3.13. However, that's not the big issue.

The really annoying problem is that I have to boot to the command
prompt, insmod radeon, then exit back to a regular boot in order to get
the radeon module loaded.

Radeon is listed in /etc/modules.conf - has been for years. However the

Can you post your modules.conf, please


This is basically how it's looked for a long time. Up until my recent 
reboot, the kernel module seems to have been loading properly. Now I 
have to insert it manually when rebooting.



# /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
#
# This file contains the names of kernel modules that should be loaded
# at boot time, one per line. Lines beginning with # are ignored.
# Parameters can be specified after the module name.

firewire-sbp2
loop
radeon
# usblp


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Re: HTML5 = png or HTML5 = jpg.

2014-07-24 Thread peter

From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 12:20:37 -0400
 How is the document revised? 

Text editor.

 is the HTML5 document always served by a web server, or 
 can it be loaded from a file?

It is self-contained and can come from a file or from a server.

 ... put a couple of comment lines in the file - one
 before the images and one after the images.  Then have your script
 search for those comment lines and replace everything between them with
 the contents of the new file.

For the text manipulations, can you recommend AWK, Perl, sed or another?

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Re: inserting kernel modules on startup

2014-07-24 Thread Michael Biebl

Am 24.07.2014 18:39, schrieb Gary Dale:
 On 24/07/14 08:56 AM, Michael Biebl wrote:
 Am 24.07.2014 12:42, schrieb Gary Dale:
 After the latest round of upgrades in Jessie, I rebooted. That's when
 the problems started. I'm having problems getting the 3.14 kernel to
 boot, so I'm booting from 3.13. However, that's not the big issue.

 The really annoying problem is that I have to boot to the command
 prompt, insmod radeon, then exit back to a regular boot in order to get
 the radeon module loaded.

 Radeon is listed in /etc/modules.conf - has been for years. However the
 Can you post your modules.conf, please


 This is basically how it's looked for a long time. Up until my recent
 reboot, the kernel module seems to have been loading properly. Now I
 have to insert it manually when rebooting.
 
 
 # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
 #
 # This file contains the names of kernel modules that should be loaded
 # at boot time, one per line. Lines beginning with # are ignored.
 # Parameters can be specified after the module name.
 
 firewire-sbp2
 loop
 radeon
 # usblp

That looks fine.

What's the status of
systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service

After a reboot, is the radeon kernel module not loaded at all? Or is it
loaded but not functional?
What about the firewire-sbp2 and loop module?

Fwiw, I'm suprised you need to manually load the radeon kernel module.
It should be auto-loaded afair.





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Re: inserting kernel modules on startup


On 24/07/14 12:57 PM, Michael Biebl wrote:

Am 24.07.2014 18:39, schrieb Gary Dale:

On 24/07/14 08:56 AM, Michael Biebl wrote:

Am 24.07.2014 12:42, schrieb Gary Dale:

After the latest round of upgrades in Jessie, I rebooted. That's when
the problems started. I'm having problems getting the 3.14 kernel to
boot, so I'm booting from 3.13. However, that's not the big issue.

The really annoying problem is that I have to boot to the command
prompt, insmod radeon, then exit back to a regular boot in order to get
the radeon module loaded.

Radeon is listed in /etc/modules.conf - has been for years. However the

Can you post your modules.conf, please



This is basically how it's looked for a long time. Up until my recent
reboot, the kernel module seems to have been loading properly. Now I
have to insert it manually when rebooting.


# /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
#
# This file contains the names of kernel modules that should be loaded
# at boot time, one per line. Lines beginning with # are ignored.
# Parameters can be specified after the module name.

firewire-sbp2
loop
radeon
# usblp

That looks fine.

What's the status of
systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service

After a reboot, is the radeon kernel module not loaded at all? Or is it
loaded but not functional?
What about the firewire-sbp2 and loop module?

Fwiw, I'm suprised you need to manually load the radeon kernel module.
It should be auto-loaded afair.

root@transponder:/home/garydale# systemctl status 
systemd-modules-load.service

systemd-modules-load.service - Load Kernel Modules
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-modules-load.service; 
static)

   Active: active (exited) since Thu 2014-07-24 06:17:41 EDT; 6h ago
 Docs: man:systemd-modules-load.service(8)
   man:modules-load.d(5)
 Main PID: 342 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)

Jul 24 06:17:41 transponder systemd-modules-load[342]: Inserted module 'lp'
Jul 24 06:17:41 transponder systemd-modules-load[342]: Inserted module 
'ppdev'
Jul 24 06:17:41 transponder systemd-modules-load[342]: Inserted module 
'parport_pc'
Jul 24 06:17:41 transponder systemd-modules-load[342]: Inserted module 
'fuse'
Jul 24 06:17:41 transponder systemd-modules-load[342]: Inserted module 
'firewire_sbp2'
Jul 24 06:17:41 transponder systemd-modules-load[342]: Inserted module 
'loop'

Jul 24 06:17:41 transponder systemd[1]: Started Load Kernel Modules.
Warning: Journal has been rotated since unit was started. Log output is 
incomplete or unavailable



The radeon kernel module is not being loaded. insmod readeon works.

I added the radeon line back in 2012 when the drm was new. Having it in 
/etc/modules was never a problem. I was wondering if it might have been 
blacklisted so I checked /etc/modprobe.d and it doesn't seem to be. 
However I note the fglrx driver is listed. It blacklists radeon. I 
haven't used the fglrx driver in some time because it's a real pain in 
the butt when running Jessie.


root@transponder:/home/garydale# ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/
total 40
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1222 Aug 15  2013 alsa-base.conf.dpkg-bak
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  157 Feb  3  2012 blacklist-cups-usblp.conf.dpkg-bak
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  127 Oct  5  2012 dkms.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  410 Jun 28 07:28 fbdev-blacklist.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   65 Sep 25  2010 fglrx-driver.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   23 May 14  2010 i915-kms.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   16 Nov 15  2011 libpisock9.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   51 May 10 19:22 modesetting.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  119 Sep  1  2013 oss-compat.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   26 Jul 15  2010 radeon-kms.conf


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Re: Latest Jessie doesn't respond to /etc/default/tmpfs RAMTMP=yes

2014-07-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Mi, 23 iul 14, 00:12:25, Rick Thomas wrote:
 
 I’m trying to get /tmp on tmpfs, so I put “RAMTMP=yes” in /dev/default/tmpfs .
 
 But I don’t get /tmp/mounted on tmpfs.

What's wrong with fstab?

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