HELP! Re: How to fix I/O errors?

[Marc Shapiro]

How it went is not well.  I tested the new drive with SeagateTools and it
was fine.  Then I made a clonezilla live CD and booted from it.  It stopped
on the first read error with a message saying to restart using the rescue
option.  I did that.  After 5 hours it finished without mentioning any
errors.

I tried to boot to the old disk (since it was still wired that way).  I got
dropped int a maintenance shell with fs errors in /dev/sda4 which is the
physical volume for all my LVM logical volumes -- /usr, /var, /home and
/temp.  It says to run fsck manually.

I decided to try the new drive, so I changed the cables and re-booted.

Maintenance shell, again.

/ mounted clean

lvm started

/home fs has errors run fsck (at this point, I'm afraid to try it)

/var, /usr, and /tmp all say that the superblock can not be read, or is
invalid.  Try running

e2fsck -b 8193 
or
e2fsck -b 32768 

Which do I use?

How did trying to clone the disk nake such a mess of BOTH disks?

Any help getting a working system again will be greatly appreciated.

Marc

On Feb 6, 2017 2:37 PM, "David Christensen" 
wrote:

On 02/06/17 13:15, Marc Shapiro wrote:

> I am pasting the result of smartctl -x /dev/sda below as I have no real
> clue what to do with the information, but I have a few questions first.
>
> 1) I have purchased a new, very similar, Seagate 1TB drive and I plan to
> install it and copy the whole system to the new drive.
>

It sounds like you don't have a backup of the failing 1 TB drive (?).


Do you have a file server with ~1 TB of free space?  RAID?


Run memtest86+ for 24+ hours to verify that you don't have a memory problem.


Use SeaTools to wipe the new 1 TB drive and run the short and long tests.
Stop if anything fails.



What is the best
> way to do this copy since I don't wangt to copy bad sectors?
>

I've done it with 'dd' in the past, but will use 'ddrescue' in the future.



2) Once I have verified that the new drive boots
>

I'd do a fresh install on a 16+ GB SSD (USB flash drives also work).  A
recovered system disk image is too uncertain.



and everything is running properly
>

As I understand it, the drive microcontroller calculates and stores a
checksum with every sector (block).  That's one way it knows that a block
is bad upon reading.  So, when you copy out whatever blocks you can get,
you probably won't have errors in those blocks.


But, files and directories are stored on one or more sectors.  Depending
upon your file system, fsck may or may not find the missing blocks.


When you're done, the destination disk is likely to be missing files and/or
directories.



I am hoping to reformat the old drive.  This should
> reallocate the bad sectors IIRC.  I then would like to set up a raid
> with both drives (keeping a close eye on the old drive).The
> feasibility of this, I would guess, depends on what the posted smartctl
> information tells someone who knows what to look for.
>
> 3) As I understand it, the above mentioned raid should be safe since,
> even if the old drive deteriorates further, the system can run on just
> the new drive.  Is that correct?
>

Once you've copied out whatever blocks you can get, use SeaTools to wipe
the old 1 TB drive and run short and long tests.  If all three pass, I
might be tempted to re-use the drive.


If it fails to wipe and has plaintext, destroy it with a sledge hammer.
(Wear safety glasses!)


If it wipes but fails the short or long tests, recycle it.



Here is the smafrtctl output:
>
...

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
>

Interesting, given that the drive failed SeaTools (short test?).



General SMART Values:
> Offline data collection status:  (0x82)Offline data collection activity
> was completed without error.
> Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
> Self-test execution status:  ( 121)The previous self-test
> completed having
> the read element of the test failed.
>

Matches SeaTools result.



Total time to complete Offline
> data collection: (  600) seconds.
>
...

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAGSVALUE WORST THRESH FAIL RAW_VALUE
>   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate POSR--   117   095   006- 165391146
>   3 Spin_Up_TimePO   095   093   000-0
>   4 Start_Stop_Count-O--CK   100   100   020-406
>   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   PO--CK   072   072   036-1181
>   7 Seek_Error_Rate POSR--   087   060   030- 656506200
>   9 Power_On_Hours  -O--CK   048   048   000-46195
>  10 Spin_Retry_CountPO--C-   100   100   097-0
>  12 Power_Cycle_Count   -O--CK   100   100   020-203
> 183 Runtime_Bad_Block   -O--CK   092   092   000-8
> 184 End-to-End_Error-O--CK   100   100  

Re: Skype

[tomas]

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On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 07:36:58AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> 
> > On 08/02/17 13:32, deloptes wrote:
> >> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> >>> Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.
> >> haha indeed - and what about video, have you tested it? does it work in
> >> chrome too?
> > 
> > I have not tried a video call.
> > 
> >> I can choose between M$ and M$ ... oh well there is Apple as well
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes?item=qt0320035
> > Elwood: What kind of music do you usually have here?
> > Claire: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western.
> > 
> >> Very nice world!
> > 
> > Trevor Noah; all the news you need:
> > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwWhs_6x42TyRM4Wstoq8HA
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> 
> Thanks ... except that it is not really funny. But well, every culture has
> its middle ages  unfortunately no one gets it ATM.
> 
> If we are pragmatic it was a joke that skype was ported to linux, we'll need
> to find another way. I'm thinking of mere SIP phone or just dropping the
> desktop and using windows anyway. There was too much disappointment
> recently from the linux side.

Well, there are a couple of projects to cheer for, then. Just examples:

  http://planet.freertc.org/
  https://webrtc.org/

Next Tuesday (Feb 14) is "I Love Free Software day", a good chance to
tell your favorite developer that yes, you appreciate her/his job and
to send her/him virtual hugs ♥♥♥

Go ahead :)

regards
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Re: Skype

[deloptes]

Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

> On 08/02/17 13:32, deloptes wrote:
>> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
>>> Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.
>> haha indeed - and what about video, have you tested it? does it work in
>> chrome too?
> 
> I have not tried a video call.
> 
>> I can choose between M$ and M$ ... oh well there is Apple as well
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes?item=qt0320035
> Elwood: What kind of music do you usually have here?
> Claire: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western.
> 
>> Very nice world!
> 
> Trevor Noah; all the news you need:
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwWhs_6x42TyRM4Wstoq8HA
> 
> Kind regards,

Thanks ... except that it is not really funny. But well, every culture has
its middle ages  unfortunately no one gets it ATM.

If we are pragmatic it was a joke that skype was ported to linux, we'll need
to find another way. I'm thinking of mere SIP phone or just dropping the
desktop and using windows anyway. There was too much disappointment
recently from the linux side.

regards

Re: Montar HD externo

[Rodolfo]

Espete o HD externo na porta USB, depois como root digite:

# lsusb

e também

# fdisk -l

e também

# cat /etc/mtab

e poste a saída desses comandos,

Abraços.

Em 8 de fevereiro de 2017 00:24, Anderson Gusmão 
escreveu:

> Galera, estou com uma pequena dificuldade, tento montar o meu hd externo,
> porém não estou conseguindo pela linha de comando com mount e ntfs-3g e
> também tentei pelo gparted e nada até agora... Será que alguém tem alguma
> ideia de como posso proceder.
> Fico no aguardo e muito obrigado. Abraços
>
> --
> *Anderson Gusmão*
> Telefone: (81) 9630.8494
> E-mail: andergus...@gmail.com
>
>
> "A maneira de ajudar os outros é provar-lhes que eles são capazes de
> pensar."
> (Dom Hélder Câmara)
>

Re: Montar HD externo

[Ricardo Ramos]

Boa Anderson,

Tem como mandar algum print dos erros ou dar mais detalhes do que pode
estar acontecendo pra facilitar a ajuda?

A Qua, 8 de fev de 2017, 05:24, Anderson Gusmão 
escreveu:

> Galera, estou com uma pequena dificuldade, tento montar o meu hd externo,
> porém não estou conseguindo pela linha de comando com mount e ntfs-3g e
> também tentei pelo gparted e nada até agora... Será que alguém tem alguma
> ideia de como posso proceder.
> Fico no aguardo e muito obrigado. Abraços
>
>
> --
> *Anderson Gusmão*
> Telefone: (81) 9630.8494
> E-mail: andergus...@gmail.com
>
>
> "A maneira de ajudar os outros é provar-lhes que eles são capazes de
> pensar."
> (Dom Hélder Câmara)
>
-- 

Ricardo Ramos
+927 927 953 770
Técnico de Informática

Montar HD externo

[Anderson Gusmão]

Galera, estou com uma pequena dificuldade, tento montar o meu hd externo,
porém não estou conseguindo pela linha de comando com mount e ntfs-3g e
também tentei pelo gparted e nada até agora... Será que alguém tem alguma
ideia de como posso proceder.
Fico no aguardo e muito obrigado. Abraços

-- 
*Anderson Gusmão*
Telefone: (81) 9630.8494
E-mail: andergus...@gmail.com


"A maneira de ajudar os outros é provar-lhes que eles são capazes de
pensar."
(Dom Hélder Câmara)

Re: Android phone access in Dolphin does not work

[RLewis]

Gary Dale wrote:

> On 03/02/17 04:52 PM, RLewis wrote:
>> Gary Dale wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/02/17 08:03 AM, RLewis wrote:
 Hi Gary --

 Gary Dale wrote:

> On 28/01/17 09:08 AM, RLewis wrote:
>> Hello Ken and Gary --
>>
>> ken wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/24/2017 02:38 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
 I'm running stretch/AMD64 and I'm having extreme problems
 accessing
>> my
 Samsung S5 phone from my Plasma5 desktop.

 When I plug the phone in, I get the notification with 2 suggested
 actions. They both read "Open with File Manager" but the first one
 opens Dolphin with "camera:..." while the second opens Dolphin with
 "mtp:..." in the location bar. When I actually try to navigate to
 the folder with my photos, I get a notification on the phone
 telling me a device is attempting mtp access... When I click
 "Allow", I get another notification pop-up on my desktop with the
 same two options...

 When I actually try to access the photos, I frequently get "process
 died" or "I/O error" messages, although sometimes I can actually
 see
 a
 photo (not just the file names) - persistence pays off. Moreover
 the phone will lock when connected, even if a file transfer is
 underway. This kills the transfer.

 To make matters worse, I have photos and videos that I have taken
 which show up in the Gallery on the phone and which I can view on
 the
 phone and see when I remove the SD card and read it directly but
 which
 don't show up in Dolphin.

 Clearly this is not the way the process is supposed to work. I can
 understand the phone requesting a verification for the connection,
 but
 everything on the desktop side seems wrong:
 - the two actions should be distinguishable by their description,
 - the process shouldn't die and if it does, it should relaunch,
 - the connection should block the phone from locking if locking
 will stop file transfers,
 - there should be a record of the error in a log somewhere. As it
 is, all I can find is a lot of systemd journal entries like "Jan 24
 14:01:33 transponder kernel: usb 4-5: usbfs: process 20598 (mtp.so)
 did not claim interface 0 before use" which seem to occur before
 the device is actually recognized.
 - all the photos should show up
>>> It sounds like you want to offload files from your android.  For a
>>> few years now I've been using Software Data Cable to do this, free
>>> app, no
>>> cable needed.  Launch the app and it sets up an ftp server on the
>>> phone.  Then from my laptop I log in, navigate, up- and download
>>> files.
>>> When done, I shut down the ftp server on the phone.  Easy-squeezy.
>> Ken:  Thanks for the tip -- I'm going to give it a try,
>>
>> Gary:  I'm using KDE Connect right now.  Install the app[1] on your
 phone
>> (I have an S4) and the software[2] on your computer (I'm using
>> jessie, but I
>> see that there is a newer version available for stretch).  It works
>> well and is easy to use.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> [1]
>> [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kde.kdeconnect_tp
>> [2] https://packages.debian.org/stretch/kdeconnect
>>
> I went to install kdeconnect on my desktop but it was already
> installed. I installed the app on my phone but it can't see anything
> to connect to.
>
> I reinstalled kdeconnect on my desktop but still nothing, whether the
> phone is connected to USB or just attached wirelessly. Any ideas on
> what's going wrong?
 Have you tried "Refresh" on the phone?  If not, then tap on either the
 three-dot menu on the upper right or the menu on the lower right.  If
 your desktop still isn't listed under Available Devices, and it has its
 own IP address, you can add it to KDE Connect on the phone -- press
 either menu, then "Add devices by IP".

 Hope this helps.

 Regards,
 Robert
>>> Verified my desktop's IP address and added it but when I go back to the
>>> KDE Connect Devices panel, it still isn't there even after a refresh.
>>>
>>> I don't see a menu on the lower right.
>> Sorry, my mistake -- I meant lower left.  It doesn't really matter since
>> it's the same menu as the upper right.
> I don't see any menu on the lower part of the screen. Everything is at
> the top. There's a 3-bar symbol top-left that bring out the "pair new
> device" dialog and there is the 3-dotmenu top-right that allows me to
> refresh, rename device or add devices by IP.

The lower left menu I mentioned is the phones Menu key, left of the Home 
key.  It has the same dialogue as the top right. 

> 
>>
>>> What I've got is something on the
>>> top left that 

Re: Skype

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 08/02/17 13:32, deloptes wrote:

Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.

haha indeed - and what about video, have you tested it? does it work in
chrome too?


I have not tried a video call.


I can choose between M$ and M$ ... oh well there is Apple as well


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes?item=qt0320035
Elwood: What kind of music do you usually have here?
Claire: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western.


Very nice world!


Trevor Noah; all the news you need:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwWhs_6x42TyRM4Wstoq8HA

Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] - Origado a todos... mas agora adeus.

[Rodolfo]

Até logo pequeno Jedi

:D

Em 7 de fevereiro de 2017 19:27, セナ山本ロベルバル 
escreveu:

> Foi um prazer aprender com os senhores, por todos estes anos...
>
> Mas estuo afogado em trolls e off-topics,.
> Aos que ficam boa luta!
>
>
> []s
>
>
>

Re: [(fwd): Debian/Stretch - network-manager_1.4.4-1 and libbluetooth3_5.43-1]

[Ennio-Sr]

* Cindy-Sue Causey  [060217, 00:16]:
> On 2/4/17, Ennio-Sr  wrote:
> > [...]
> 
> Was your email signature attached to wherever this didn't arrive? I
> just... I found this in my sp am bucket so maybe that's why it never
> arrived where you sent. Maybe the signature is triggering something? I
> [...] 
> 
Yes, it was, and it's 'pure text', no evil in it ;)
Perhaps the addresses I used (shown in the 'apt-cache show' of the two
pkgs, are reserved to developers. Theu were rejected with '550
Unroutable address'.
> 
> > [...]

> You said that you found what you needed in /var/cache/apt/archives?
> The impression I got was that this is where deletions were going to be
> made. Is it that you happened to have an older archive dotDeb that is
> being left alone because it's pre this deletion thing?
> 
Yes, the older version 1.4.4-1 had been preserved, whereas the new one,
1.6.0-1 had vanished.

> Where are you seeing packages deleted from?

No, I modified the default behaviour creating the file '01Keep-debs' in
'/etc/apt/apt.conf.d' as suggested by the warning during the upgrade.

> [...] 

> 
> Upon reading that something IMPORTANT was going to start being quietly
> deleted as a default, my reaction was something along the lines of...
> 
> An itty-bitty tiny little freakout for a second.
> 
> And pretty much for the kind of reason it sounds like you're saying here.
> 

Well, we don't know the underlying reason of this choice...


> The more I think back on it, I specifically monitored dotDeb archive
> file deletions for a few days after that message appeared, but I never
> saw anything change.

I heve no clue to this.

> [...]

> specifically k/t the fear of being cut off if I don't have the right

What does 'k/t' mean? (Sorry, I'm not English mother tongue!)

> 
> Just thinking out loud. I really don't have any other feedback...
> except maybe...
> 
> *ACK!* :D
>

I hope that is not for me!

> Cindy :)

Regards, Ennio

-- 
[Perche' usare Win$ozz (dico io) se ..."anche uno sciocco sa farlo.   \\?//
 Fa' qualche cosa di cui non sei capace!"  (diceva Henry Miller) ](°|°)
[Why use Win$ozz (I say) if ... "even a fool can do that.  )=(
 Do something you aren't good at!" (as Henry Miller used to say) ]

Re: Skype

[deloptes]

Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

> Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.

haha indeed - and what about video, have you tested it? does it work in
chrome too?


And another product buried by M$ ... in fact the biggest one was Nokia
though - IMO ... well done Europe ... well done US ... well done China.
IMO linux as desktop will be just a toy for kids soon ...  and perhaps
developers.

Regarding OS I now have a big choice on the phone market (android various
versions), I have a big choice on the desktop market as well and I have soo
much choice @work - I can choose between M$ and M$ ... oh well there is
Apple as well - I never understood how it works and why it exists :D - oh
yes - I forgot, M$ is keeping it alive ... because otherwise they'll break
apart M$.

Very nice world! Thank you all! In the past 17y we've done excellent work!
KDE became unusable, Gnome became ugly ... but most important we are happy,
multi cultural, refugee-welcome, anti-trump, vegetarian, hipster, raspberry
society ... Sooo many useful things we've done in those past years. I
forgot mentioning saving so many too-big-to-fails ... so that investment in
education went down everywhere ... And don't forget more people have access
to food and water today than 20y ago ... because, well, those that didn't
are already dead.

*irony off*

regards

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] - Origado a todos... mas agora adeus.

[Rodrigo Cunha]

Obrigado pela contribuição!


Em 7 de fevereiro de 2017 21:27, セナ山本ロベルバル 
escreveu:

> Foi um prazer aprender com os senhores, por todos estes anos...
>
> Mas estuo afogado em trolls e off-topics,.
> Aos que ficam boa luta!
>
>
> []s
>
>
>


-- 
Atenciosamente,
Rodrigo da Silva Cunha
São Gonçalo, RJ - Brasil

[OFF-TOPIC] - Origado a todos... mas agora adeus.

[セナ山本ロベルバル]

Foi um prazer aprender com os senhores, por todos estes anos...

Mas estuo afogado em trolls e off-topics,.
Aos que ficam boa luta!


[]s

Re: Chromium y Chrome Web Store - Error en instalación de extensiones

[Javier ArgentinaBBAR]

El día 5 de febrero de 2017, 14:45, JavierDebian
 escribió:
> Estimados:
>
> Me he actualizado a "stretch" en estos días, y me ha surgido un problema con
> Chromium.
> El navegador en cuestión, me acepta la integración con la cuenta de Google,
> pero no me permite instalar ninguna extensión de  Chrome Web Store.
> Aparece un cartel que dice "Se ha producido un error. Instalación no
> habilitada".
>
> En el mismo sistema, con Chrome no tengo ese inconveniente.
>
> He intentado reinstalación de Chromium, eliminación de toda la
> configuración, utilizado otra cuenta con otro usuario, tando de Linux como
> de Google, buscado sobre la cuestión y no tengo suerte.
>
> Me niego a usar Chrome (excepto para Netflix :)
>
> ¿Alguna sugerencia?
>
> Muchas gracias.
>
> JAP

¿Nadie tiene una idea? ;(

Re: Skype

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 08/02/17 11:49, deloptes wrote:

Very interesting. I log in to skype for web. It says at the top:
"Interested in richer and more integrated experience? Download the official
desktop app. Download"
When I "download" I get debian package "skypeforlinux-64-alpha.deb"
installing this creates
cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/skype-stable.list
deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.skype.com/deb stable main
and skypeforlinux runs with a somewhat newer theme, however sound is not
working for me - I just tried "Skype Test Call". Well it says it's Alpha,
so might be they'll release a working beta until 1. March.
Or it might be finally time to change to something else ... I evaluated
recently Tox...
Very interesting story - thanks
regards


I have not used it but, according to this Slashdot comment, "Skype for 
Linux" is Skype for Web in Chromium:

https://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10202241=53802307

Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.

If the comment above is correct, I do not see the point of "Skype for 
Linux". A software product that contains a web browser so that it can 
connect to a single web site is in my view a deployment anti-pattern 
because it (1) duplicates the installation of software, and (2) defeats 
the purpose of the web (interoperability).


Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: Skype

[deloptes]

Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

> On 08/02/17 10:20, deloptes wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:
>>> Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
>>> Pulseaudio issue.
>> I use debian jessie and skype 4.3.0.37 on daily basis - no idea what you
>> are talking about.
> 
> I use Skype 4.3.0.37 i386 on unstable. While it still works for Skype
> Out, group calls and chat now require cloud connections and do not work.
> For group calls and chat, I use Skype for Web in Chrome.
> 
> The worst news is that Microsoft are shutting down Skype p2p in three
> weeks (on 1 March). I expect that I will no longer be able to sign in
> with Skype 4.3.0.37. I did not receive any email notifying me of this. I
> only heard about it online:
>
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/17/02/04/059204/microsoft-is-disabling-older-versions-of-skype-for-mac-and-windows-on-march-1
>
http://venturebeat.com/2017/02/03/microsoft-is-disabling-older-versions-of-skype-for-mac-and-windows-on-march-1/
>
https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/02/03/the-skype-you-love-is-getting-better-download-it-for-free-today/
>
https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-End-of-life/td-p/4586741
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/skype-for-linux-end-of-life-march
> 
> I am hoping that Skype for Web will meet my needs. The interface seems
> clunkier, is missing some functionality, and chat history is discarded
> after a short time (30 days?). Core functionality seems to work.
> 
> On the up-side, once Skype 4.3.0.37 is gone, I am one Brother printer
> driver away from ditching the entire i386 architecture.
> 
> Kind regards,

Very interesting. I log in to skype for web. It says at the top:
"Interested in richer and more integrated experience? Download the official
desktop app. Download"

When I "download" I get debian package "skypeforlinux-64-alpha.deb"

installing this creates

cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/skype-stable.list
deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.skype.com/deb stable main

and skypeforlinux runs with a somewhat newer theme, however sound is not
working for me - I just tried "Skype Test Call". Well it says it's Alpha,
so might be they'll release a working beta until 1. March.
Or it might be finally time to change to something else ... I evaluated
recently Tox...

Very interesting story - thanks

regards

Re: Skype

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 08/02/17 10:20, deloptes wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
Pulseaudio issue.

I use debian jessie and skype 4.3.0.37 on daily basis - no idea what you are
talking about.


I use Skype 4.3.0.37 i386 on unstable. While it still works for Skype 
Out, group calls and chat now require cloud connections and do not work. 
For group calls and chat, I use Skype for Web in Chrome.


The worst news is that Microsoft are shutting down Skype p2p in three 
weeks (on 1 March). I expect that I will no longer be able to sign in 
with Skype 4.3.0.37. I did not receive any email notifying me of this. I 
only heard about it online:

https://apple.slashdot.org/story/17/02/04/059204/microsoft-is-disabling-older-versions-of-skype-for-mac-and-windows-on-march-1
http://venturebeat.com/2017/02/03/microsoft-is-disabling-older-versions-of-skype-for-mac-and-windows-on-march-1/
https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/02/03/the-skype-you-love-is-getting-better-download-it-for-free-today/
https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-End-of-life/td-p/4586741
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/skype-for-linux-end-of-life-march

I am hoping that Skype for Web will meet my needs. The interface seems 
clunkier, is missing some functionality, and chat history is discarded 
after a short time (30 days?). Core functionality seems to work.


On the up-side, once Skype 4.3.0.37 is gone, I am one Brother printer 
driver away from ditching the entire i386 architecture.


Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: Skype

[Joshua M. Boniface]

On 2017-02-07 3:25 PM, Anonymous wrote:

Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
Pulseaudio issue. No other software I've ever used on Linux causes as
many problems as Skype. Obviously this problem ultimately comes from
Microsoft, but nevertheless many of us need Skype for communications
with colleagues running a non-Linux OS since it is the overwhelming
market leader in VOIP; this is especially common in a business environment.

Skype needs to run on Linux with the same stability that it does on
Windows and MacOS, WITHOUT resorting to installing WINE, and preferably
without relying on WebRTC.

If you could develop a non-Skype Linux client with the ability to easily
communicate on the Skype platform --- something open source but which
has compatibility with Skype, coordinated with Microsoft --- that would
be ideal. But relying on Microsoft to develop good software for Linux
has proven to be a losing proposition and I'm sure is stifling the
adoption of Linux by a wider audience.

So you're basically asking for a native Skype... that isn't Skype? That 
would be great, except that the application and protocol are completely 
closed-source, so until Microsoft releases the protocol, we're out of 
luck with that. Perhaps contact Microsoft with your concerns about their 
closed-source application, or encourage your colleagues to move to a 
more open system?


- Joshua

Re: Skype

[deloptes]

Anonymous wrote:

> Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
> Pulseaudio issue.

I use debian jessie and skype 4.3.0.37 on daily basis - no idea what you are
talking about.

Skype

[Anonymous]

Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
Pulseaudio issue. No other software I've ever used on Linux causes as
many problems as Skype. Obviously this problem ultimately comes from
Microsoft, but nevertheless many of us need Skype for communications
with colleagues running a non-Linux OS since it is the overwhelming
market leader in VOIP; this is especially common in a business environment.

Skype needs to run on Linux with the same stability that it does on
Windows and MacOS, WITHOUT resorting to installing WINE, and preferably
without relying on WebRTC.

If you could develop a non-Skype Linux client with the ability to easily
communicate on the Skype platform --- something open source but which
has compatibility with Skype, coordinated with Microsoft --- that would
be ideal. But relying on Microsoft to develop good software for Linux
has proven to be a losing proposition and I'm sure is stifling the
adoption of Linux by a wider audience.

Re: Duda en iptables

[Dixan Rivas]

On 07/02/17 19:15, l...@ida.cu wrote:

El 07/02/17 a las 19:24, l...@ida.cu escribió:

Buenas tardes a todos.

Es 1ra vez que uso iptables.

Tengo varias PC con estas IP y necesito darles acceso full hacia
internet

# A estas ip le permitimos todo
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.12 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.13  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.14 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.15  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.16 -j ACCEPT

Qué regla puedo escribir para que en vez de todas estas líneas
establecerlo con un rango de ip y lograr lo mismo efecto??


Me pueden dar una ayudar




Saludos, podrías hacerlo con:
iptables -A INPUT -m iprange --src-range 192.168.101.12-192.168.101.16
-j ACCEPT

--
Aaron D.


Gracia Aron y a las personas de la lista, perfecto



Esas reglas le darán permiso a esas ip a conectarse a servicios en ese 
servidor, para que se puedan conectar a Internet debes habilitar 
enrutamiento, forward y NAT:


IFLAN=eth0
IFWAN=eth1
permitidos=192.168.101.12-192.168.101.16
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward #Habilitar enrutamiento
iptables -A FORWARD -i $IFLAN -m iprange --src-range $permitidos -o 
$IFWAN -j ACCEPT #Reenviar Permitidos de LAN a WAN
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -m iprange --src-range $permitidos -o 
$IFWAN -j MASQUERADE #NAT



PD: Esto a la OSRI no le va a gustar.


Saludos

Re: Duda en iptables

[luis]

> El 07/02/17 a las 19:24, l...@ida.cu escribió:
>> Buenas tardes a todos.
>>
>> Es 1ra vez que uso iptables.
>>
>> Tengo varias PC con estas IP y necesito darles acceso full hacia
>> internet
>>
>> # A estas ip le permitimos todo
>> iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.12 -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.13  -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.14 -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.15  -j ACCEPT
>> iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.16 -j ACCEPT
>>
>> Qué regla puedo escribir para que en vez de todas estas líneas
>> establecerlo con un rango de ip y lograr lo mismo efecto??
>>
>>
>> Me pueden dar una ayudar
>>
>>
>>
>
> Saludos, podrías hacerlo con:
> iptables -A INPUT -m iprange --src-range 192.168.101.12-192.168.101.16
> -j ACCEPT
>
> --
> Aaron D.
>

Gracia Aron y a las personas de la lista, perfecto

Debian LTS (was: Depot Squeeze)

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 07/02/2017 à 11:17, rand...@free.fr a écrit :

Bonjour,

Cela ne répond en rien à la question, puisqu'il s'agit de Squeeze, mais pour la 
culture générale,
Debian gère en "Long Term Support" (LTS) les distributions Wheezy et Jessie. 
J'avais cru
que Squeeze était concernée, d'où ma recherche.


Squeeze a été LTS, avant de passer le relais à Wheezy.
Jessie n'est pas encore LTS et ne le sera pas avant un an après être 
passée en oldstable.

Re: Duda en iptables

[Aaron D.]

El 07/02/17 a las 19:24, l...@ida.cu escribió:

Buenas tardes a todos.

Es 1ra vez que uso iptables.

Tengo varias PC con estas IP y necesito darles acceso full hacia internet

# A estas ip le permitimos todo
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.12 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.13  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.14 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.15  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.16 -j ACCEPT

Qué regla puedo escribir para que en vez de todas estas líneas
establecerlo con un rango de ip y lograr lo mismo efecto??


Me pueden dar una ayudar





Saludos, podrías hacerlo con:
iptables -A INPUT -m iprange --src-range 192.168.101.12-192.168.101.16 
-j ACCEPT


--
Aaron D.

Re: aplicaciones predeterminadas en debian

[Felix Perez]

El día 7 de febrero de 2017, 10:09, Marcelo Giordano
 escribió:
> Me funcionó perfecto.
>
> Muy simple y práctico.
>
> Muchas gracias
>
>
Que bueno que te sirvió la ayuda.

Recuerda por favor  no hacer top posting, siempre responder a la lista
y no responder al email  privado.
Gracias.



> El 01/02/17 a las 12:04, Felix Perez escribió:
>
>> El día 1 de febrero de 2017, 10:24, Marcelo Giordano
>>  escribió:
>>>
>>> Hola amigos.
>>>
>>> Quiero cambiar algunas aplicaciones predeterminadas en debian, en
>>> especial
>>> quiero cambiar el lector de pdf predeterminado.
>>>
>> Si es solo esa aplicación botón derecho en el archivo pdf, y ahí
>> cambiar aplicación por defecto.
>>
>> Saludos.
>>
>>
>



-- 
usuario linux  #274354
normas de la lista:  http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista
como hacer preguntas inteligentes:
http://www.sindominio.net/ayuda/preguntas-inteligentes.html

Duda en iptables

[luis]

Buenas tardes a todos.

Es 1ra vez que uso iptables.

Tengo varias PC con estas IP y necesito darles acceso full hacia internet

# A estas ip le permitimos todo
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.12 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.13  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.14 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.15  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.101.16 -j ACCEPT

Qué regla puedo escribir para que en vez de todas estas líneas
establecerlo con un rango de ip y lograr lo mismo efecto??


Me pueden dar una ayudar

Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI

[Rodrigo Cunha]

Vídeo interessante do Richard Stallman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9zT4uC6pAQ

Em 7 de fevereiro de 2017 12:49, Rodrigo Cunha 
escreveu:

> Alexandre, penso como você.E fico feliz de encontrar mais um profissional
> da área que pense além do "apertar parafusos".
>
> Lembrei-me agora das palestras do Richard Stallman criador da FSF e do L.
> Torvalds que cadastrou o kernel sob a licença livre quando falam mais de
> questões relacionadas a ética(assunto complexo) e moral(filosófico) que
> puramente técnicas_que também são importantes.
>
> Este e-mail foi para saber como meus companheiros de profissão observam a
> filosofia.
>
>
> E aos demais, caso tenham uma opinião a dar, peço que compartilhem suas
> ideias!Elas são muito bem-vindas.
>
> Obrigado a todos.
>
>
> Em 7 de fevereiro de 2017 12:13, Alexandre 
> escreveu:
>
>> Boa tarde;
>>
>> Devo discordar de você colega. Veja a filosofia está presente no
>> software livre (Discordando sinta-se livre para manifestar-se), o termo off
>> foi bem aplicado, por não tratar-se de Debian mas de assunto arcabouço de
>> T.I.C.
>>
>> Eu acho curioso, o cara tem formação técnica e reclama que ganha
>> pouco, aqui mesmo já teve casos de ofenderem o colega por postar vaga a
>> pedido da empresa dele e determinadas pessoas(Que não vem ao caso quem são)
>> se chatearem ou até me ofenderem-se com requisitos e valores monetários.
>> Ora, eu entro no google tem lá como criar um servidor, subir o samba,
>> compartilhar arquivos, me dizem que Linux é seguro e estável, logo pago o
>> salário mínimo para o cidadão ler os tutoriais na internet e ou pesquisar
>> (no google) como fazer outra coisa que precise, DNS, DHCP etc.
>>
>> Quando abordamos temas que saem do "apertar parafuso" que fazem parte
>> do espectro do profissional (Como tantos outros, postura, vestimenta, boas
>> maneiras, modo de falar, de redigir um texto, apresentação, expressar-se
>> como um todo) é mal visto?
>>
>> Imagina se sou um empregador e leio isso, vou confirmar pago o
>> salário mínimo mesmo pois esses cara não manjam nada de nada, só apertar
>> parafusos, leia-se gado.
>>
>> Nos dias de hoje acreditar que o conhecimento técnico é o
>> importante(única e exclusivamente) e total desconhecimento do modo de vida
>> da sociedade contemporânea.
>>
>> Faça um teste, seu melhor professor da escola, faculdade era quem
>> detinha o maior grau do saber? Um colega na sua profissão, mas bem
>> remunerado é necessariamente o que sabe mais?
>>
>> Toda vivência e experiência é bem vinda.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sobre o tema:
>>
>> O profissional de T.I.C. não vive de lógica e sim da lógica aplicada
>> , o filósofo é quem demonstra saber filosófico e não o diplomado.
>>
>> A filosofia é um meio de responder nossos questionamentos. Acima por
>> exemplo citei o salário mínimo, seria justa tal remuneração? (Aqui entra a
>> filosofia, o que é o justo?).
>>
>> Infelizmente as universidades Brasileiras principalmente os cursos de
>> humanas são celeiros de um modo de pensar que resultou em catástrofe em
>> toda a história da humanidade. Como a maioria nunca vai fazer algo de
>> produtivo para a sociedade(Salvar uma vida, construir algo, criar, inovar,
>> empreender, etc), então podem continuar repetindo a asneira que ouviram,
>> logo vai viver sustentando pelo governo, seja encontrando um canto para
>> encostar, uma bolsa, ou virar professor e continuar o ciclo. Onde o diálogo
>> é proibido e velado.
>>
>> Mas o que isso tem a ver com filosofia na T.I.C.? A formação da
>> maioria dos filósofos(Aborda apenas uma linha de pensamento ), não discutem
>> os problemas reais da sociedades, ficam com ideias utópicos ou visões
>> distorcidas, o modo de pensar filosófico é útil mas não pondo em prática
>> tal saber torna-se inútil. Ninguém paga pelo que você sabe e sim pelo que
>> faz ou quem ou quantos influencia com seu este saber.
>>
>> Abraços
>>
>>
>> Em 07-02-2017 09:10, Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete DUTRA escreveu:
>>
>>> Le lun. 6 févr. 2017 à 14:08, Rodrigo Cunha 
>>> a écrit :
>>>
 Guimarães, se tiver uma lista de TI que trate de filosofia me passe,
 não conheço nenhuma e ficarei grato se me indicar alguma.

>>>
>>> Não tem que eu saiba, mas há listas menos focadas que esta.
>>>
>>>
>>> Enquanto não tenho outra lista, vai esse lista mesmo como [OFF] _termo
 apropriado;

>>>
>>> Como já disse, fora de tópico, fora da lista; nada apropriado.
>>>
>>>
>>> Desta perspectiva a pergunta certa seria:
 Por que a filosofia, que trata da lógica não deve ser importante para
 quem depende de lógica para seu sustento?

>>>
>>> Filistinismo por um lado, mas por outro a lógica é apenas uma ferramenta
>>> da filosofia.  É 

Re: Why gets unattended-upgrades installed after Debian jessie -> Debian stretch upgrade?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 07 February 2017 14:31:54 Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Lisi Reisz  writes:
> > On Monday 06 February 2017 18:24:38 Mart van de Wege wrote:
> >> Lisi Reisz  writes:
> >> > On Monday 06 February 2017 13:54:11 Brian wrote:
> >> >> On Mon 06 Feb 2017 at 13:19:00 +, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> >> >> > The unattended-upgrades was not installed on my Debian jessie
> >> >> > system. After upgrading to Debian stretch, the package
> >> >> > unattended-upgrades got installed. 'reverse-depends
> >> >> > unattended-upgrades' [1] did not make me any wiser. There must be a
> >> >> > gap of my apt knowledge. Can anyone shed light on this please?
> >> >>
> >> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/11/msg00117.html
> >> >
> >> > Can it cope with a back-log?  Has anyone tried?
> >>
> >> We use it in production at work. Yes, it can, *provided* you don't have
> >> any config file changes. That, it can't handle.
> >
> > That is very reassuring.  Do you feel like sharing your config file?
>
> It's not different from the default, so that's good.

:-))

Lisi

Re: reportbug and remapped "edit"

[Boyan Penkov]

On 01/12/2017 08:58 PM, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:53 PM, David Wright  
> wrote:
>> On Wed 11 Jan 2017 at 22:38:48 (-0500), kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
>>
>>> Just unalias the alias corresponding to edit (the one you set up in
>>> ~/.zshrc) before launching reportbug. After that set it back. IIUC
>>> there is no need to launch a bash subshell to do this. You can do
>>> everything while you are in zsh.
>>>
>>> So the sequence of commands would be
>>>
>>> % unalias edit
>>> % reportbug &
>>> % alias edit='emacsclient -c -s /tmp/emacs1000/server'
>> If you're going to do it that way, you've really got to
>> interrogate the old value and restore it afterwards, rather
>> than having edit defined in two places. Otherwise, how do
>> you keep them in sync.
>>
>> Most people wouldn't run reportbug often enough to worry
>> about a subshell, would they?
> I have another idea to try. You can specify the editor explicitly by
> using the -e option.
>
> % reportbug -e emacs

Sorry for the preposterously long delay; what, we went through two
freezes while this came up again?

This does work; similarly

% reportbug -e "emacsclient -c -s /tmp/emacs1000/server"

works with the behavior I expect (spawn an emacs window connected to the
current session...)

Now, following the discussion about aliases, is it safe to have

alias reportbug='reportbug -e "emacsclient -c -s /tmp/emacs1000/server"
' somewhere?
>
> or set the EDITOR environment variable for just the reportbug command.
> For example
>
> % EDITOR=emacs reportbug
>
> raju

-- 
Boyan Penkov
www.boyanpenkov.com




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Re: Why gets unattended-upgrades installed after Debian jessie -> Debian stretch upgrade?

[Mart van de Wege]

Lisi Reisz  writes:

> On Monday 06 February 2017 18:24:38 Mart van de Wege wrote:
>> Lisi Reisz  writes:
>> > On Monday 06 February 2017 13:54:11 Brian wrote:
>> >> On Mon 06 Feb 2017 at 13:19:00 +, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
>> >> > The unattended-upgrades was not installed on my Debian jessie system.
>> >> > After upgrading to Debian stretch, the package unattended-upgrades got
>> >> > installed. 'reverse-depends unattended-upgrades' [1] did not make me
>> >> > any wiser. There must be a gap of my apt knowledge. Can anyone shed
>> >> > light on this please?
>> >>
>> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/11/msg00117.html
>> >
>> > Can it cope with a back-log?  Has anyone tried?
>>
>> We use it in production at work. Yes, it can, *provided* you don't have
>> any config file changes. That, it can't handle.
>
> That is very reassuring.  Do you feel like sharing your config file?
>
It's not different from the default, so that's good.

Mart

-- 
"We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.

Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI

[Rodrigo Cunha]

Alexandre, penso como você.E fico feliz de encontrar mais um profissional
da área que pense além do "apertar parafusos".

Lembrei-me agora das palestras do Richard Stallman criador da FSF e do L.
Torvalds que cadastrou o kernel sob a licença livre quando falam mais de
questões relacionadas a ética(assunto complexo) e moral(filosófico) que
puramente técnicas_que também são importantes.

Este e-mail foi para saber como meus companheiros de profissão observam a
filosofia.


E aos demais, caso tenham uma opinião a dar, peço que compartilhem suas
ideias!Elas são muito bem-vindas.

Obrigado a todos.


Em 7 de fevereiro de 2017 12:13, Alexandre 
escreveu:

> Boa tarde;
>
> Devo discordar de você colega. Veja a filosofia está presente no
> software livre (Discordando sinta-se livre para manifestar-se), o termo off
> foi bem aplicado, por não tratar-se de Debian mas de assunto arcabouço de
> T.I.C.
>
> Eu acho curioso, o cara tem formação técnica e reclama que ganha
> pouco, aqui mesmo já teve casos de ofenderem o colega por postar vaga a
> pedido da empresa dele e determinadas pessoas(Que não vem ao caso quem são)
> se chatearem ou até me ofenderem-se com requisitos e valores monetários.
> Ora, eu entro no google tem lá como criar um servidor, subir o samba,
> compartilhar arquivos, me dizem que Linux é seguro e estável, logo pago o
> salário mínimo para o cidadão ler os tutoriais na internet e ou pesquisar
> (no google) como fazer outra coisa que precise, DNS, DHCP etc.
>
> Quando abordamos temas que saem do "apertar parafuso" que fazem parte
> do espectro do profissional (Como tantos outros, postura, vestimenta, boas
> maneiras, modo de falar, de redigir um texto, apresentação, expressar-se
> como um todo) é mal visto?
>
> Imagina se sou um empregador e leio isso, vou confirmar pago o salário
> mínimo mesmo pois esses cara não manjam nada de nada, só apertar parafusos,
> leia-se gado.
>
> Nos dias de hoje acreditar que o conhecimento técnico é o
> importante(única e exclusivamente) e total desconhecimento do modo de vida
> da sociedade contemporânea.
>
> Faça um teste, seu melhor professor da escola, faculdade era quem
> detinha o maior grau do saber? Um colega na sua profissão, mas bem
> remunerado é necessariamente o que sabe mais?
>
> Toda vivência e experiência é bem vinda.
> 
> 
> --
> Sobre o tema:
>
> O profissional de T.I.C. não vive de lógica e sim da lógica aplicada ,
> o filósofo é quem demonstra saber filosófico e não o diplomado.
>
> A filosofia é um meio de responder nossos questionamentos. Acima por
> exemplo citei o salário mínimo, seria justa tal remuneração? (Aqui entra a
> filosofia, o que é o justo?).
>
> Infelizmente as universidades Brasileiras principalmente os cursos de
> humanas são celeiros de um modo de pensar que resultou em catástrofe em
> toda a história da humanidade. Como a maioria nunca vai fazer algo de
> produtivo para a sociedade(Salvar uma vida, construir algo, criar, inovar,
> empreender, etc), então podem continuar repetindo a asneira que ouviram,
> logo vai viver sustentando pelo governo, seja encontrando um canto para
> encostar, uma bolsa, ou virar professor e continuar o ciclo. Onde o diálogo
> é proibido e velado.
>
> Mas o que isso tem a ver com filosofia na T.I.C.? A formação da
> maioria dos filósofos(Aborda apenas uma linha de pensamento ), não discutem
> os problemas reais da sociedades, ficam com ideias utópicos ou visões
> distorcidas, o modo de pensar filosófico é útil mas não pondo em prática
> tal saber torna-se inútil. Ninguém paga pelo que você sabe e sim pelo que
> faz ou quem ou quantos influencia com seu este saber.
>
> Abraços
>
>
> Em 07-02-2017 09:10, Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete DUTRA escreveu:
>
>> Le lun. 6 févr. 2017 à 14:08, Rodrigo Cunha 
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> Guimarães, se tiver uma lista de TI que trate de filosofia me passe, não
>>> conheço nenhuma e ficarei grato se me indicar alguma.
>>>
>>
>> Não tem que eu saiba, mas há listas menos focadas que esta.
>>
>>
>> Enquanto não tenho outra lista, vai esse lista mesmo como [OFF] _termo
>>> apropriado;
>>>
>>
>> Como já disse, fora de tópico, fora da lista; nada apropriado.
>>
>>
>> Desta perspectiva a pergunta certa seria:
>>> Por que a filosofia, que trata da lógica não deve ser importante para
>>> quem depende de lógica para seu sustento?
>>>
>>
>> Filistinismo por um lado, mas por outro a lógica é apenas uma ferramenta
>> da filosofia.  É perfeitamente possível aplicá-la sem aplicar outros ramos
>> igualmente importantes, e em muitas situações pode ser bastante adequado.
>> Claro que há ramos imprescindíveis sempre, como ética.
>>
>> E, por ser fora de tópico, paro por aqui e peço que todos parem
>> também.
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 

Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI

[Alexandre]

Boa tarde;

Devo discordar de você colega. Veja a filosofia está presente no 
software livre (Discordando sinta-se livre para manifestar-se), o termo 
off foi bem aplicado, por não tratar-se de Debian mas de assunto 
arcabouço de T.I.C.


Eu acho curioso, o cara tem formação técnica e reclama que ganha 
pouco, aqui mesmo já teve casos de ofenderem o colega por postar vaga a 
pedido da empresa dele e determinadas pessoas(Que não vem ao caso quem 
são) se chatearem ou até me ofenderem-se com requisitos e valores 
monetários. Ora, eu entro no google tem lá como criar um servidor, subir 
o samba, compartilhar arquivos, me dizem que Linux é seguro e estável, 
logo pago o salário mínimo para o cidadão ler os tutoriais na internet e 
ou pesquisar (no google) como fazer outra coisa que precise, DNS, DHCP etc.


Quando abordamos temas que saem do "apertar parafuso" que fazem 
parte do espectro do profissional (Como tantos outros, postura, 
vestimenta, boas maneiras, modo de falar, de redigir um texto, 
apresentação, expressar-se como um todo) é mal visto?


Imagina se sou um empregador e leio isso, vou confirmar pago o 
salário mínimo mesmo pois esses cara não manjam nada de nada, só apertar 
parafusos, leia-se gado.


Nos dias de hoje acreditar que o conhecimento técnico é o 
importante(única e exclusivamente) e total desconhecimento do modo de 
vida da sociedade contemporânea.


Faça um teste, seu melhor professor da escola, faculdade era quem 
detinha o maior grau do saber? Um colega na sua profissão, mas bem 
remunerado é necessariamente o que sabe mais?


Toda vivência e experiência é bem vinda.
--
Sobre o tema:

O profissional de T.I.C. não vive de lógica e sim da lógica 
aplicada , o filósofo é quem demonstra saber filosófico e não o diplomado.


A filosofia é um meio de responder nossos questionamentos. Acima 
por exemplo citei o salário mínimo, seria justa tal remuneração? (Aqui 
entra a filosofia, o que é o justo?).


Infelizmente as universidades Brasileiras principalmente os cursos 
de humanas são celeiros de um modo de pensar que resultou em catástrofe 
em toda a história da humanidade. Como a maioria nunca vai fazer algo de 
produtivo para a sociedade(Salvar uma vida, construir algo, criar, 
inovar, empreender, etc), então podem continuar repetindo a asneira que 
ouviram, logo vai viver sustentando pelo governo, seja encontrando um 
canto para encostar, uma bolsa, ou virar professor e continuar o ciclo. 
Onde o diálogo é proibido e velado.


Mas o que isso tem a ver com filosofia na T.I.C.? A formação da 
maioria dos filósofos(Aborda apenas uma linha de pensamento ), não 
discutem os problemas reais da sociedades, ficam com ideias utópicos ou 
visões distorcidas, o modo de pensar filosófico é útil mas não pondo em 
prática tal saber torna-se inútil. Ninguém paga pelo que você sabe e sim 
pelo que faz ou quem ou quantos influencia com seu este saber.


Abraços

Em 07-02-2017 09:10, Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete DUTRA escreveu:
Le lun. 6 févr. 2017 à 14:08, Rodrigo Cunha 
 a écrit :
Guimarães, se tiver uma lista de TI que trate de filosofia me passe, 
não conheço nenhuma e ficarei grato se me indicar alguma.


Não tem que eu saiba, mas há listas menos focadas que esta.


Enquanto não tenho outra lista, vai esse lista mesmo como [OFF] 
_termo apropriado;


Como já disse, fora de tópico, fora da lista; nada apropriado.



Desta perspectiva a pergunta certa seria:
Por que a filosofia, que trata da lógica não deve ser importante para 
quem depende de lógica para seu sustento?


Filistinismo por um lado, mas por outro a lógica é apenas uma 
ferramenta da filosofia.  É perfeitamente possível aplicá-la sem 
aplicar outros ramos igualmente importantes, e em muitas situações 
pode ser bastante adequado.  Claro que há ramos imprescindíveis 
sempre, como ética.


E, por ser fora de tópico, paro por aqui e peço que todos parem 
também.

Re: [qubes-devel] Why gets unattended-upgrades installed after Debian jessie -> Debian stretch upgrade?

[Unman]

On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 02:25:12AM +, Unman wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 01:19:00PM +, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> > The unattended-upgrades was not installed on my Debian jessie system.
> > After upgrading to Debian stretch, the package unattended-upgrades got
> > installed. 'reverse-depends unattended-upgrades' [1] did not make me any
> > wiser. There must be a gap of my apt knowledge. Can anyone shed light on
> > this please?
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Patrick
> > 
> > [1]
> > Reverse-Recommends
> > ==
> > * education-common
> > * python3-software-properties
> > 
> > Reverse-Depends
> > ===
> > * parl-desktop
> > * plinth
> > 
> > Packages without architectures listed are reverse-dependencies in:
> > amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, hurd-i386, i386, kfreebsd-amd64,
> > kfreebsd-i386, mips, mips64el, mipsel, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x
> > 
> 
> I remember a thread last year saying that unattended-upgrades should be
> installed by default, and enabled. I guess that is what you're seeing
> here Patrick.
> This was on debian-devel - I thought it related to d-i but it may be
> brought in as default package on dist-upgrade.
> 
> have a look here:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/11/msg00262.html

I was, as so often, wrong. It's pulled in as a recommend from
python3-software-properties which is being installed as part of upgrade.
Turn off Recommends and it isnt installed.

I think that follows from gnome-packagekit being installed, and pulling
in software-properties-gtk, which pulls software-properties-common and
so...

So turn off Recommends/Suggests or review installs before upgrading.

Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

[rhkramer]

Thanks!  Maybe I will have to do some wiresharking ;-)  I guess though, that 
without something like a smart router, I'd only be able to look at data going 
in and out of my Linux / Debian computers (by loading wireshark on each), and 
not the other devices on the system.

I will probably spend at least a day (or more) cogitating--I might load 
wireshark on one computer in the meantime.

Oh, a few quick points:

   * the packets are coming in from the network with the bigger MTU (1540 vs. 
1500

   * but, they don's seem to be split in two, instead, the one with the bigger 
MTU is being doubled--maybe there is something wrong / unusual with the way 
the Westell modem reports statistics.  (For example, how can a packet contain 
more bytes / octets than the MTU for that network??)

So, I guess some cogitation, wiresharking, and looking up the exact model of 
my Westell modem and reading up on it (how it reports statistics).

On Tuesday, February 07, 2017 08:42:34 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> I've been just half-following the thread, so sorry if I miss
> by a big amount, but... if the packets are crossing from the
> network with the bigger MTU to the one with the smaller one,
> perhaps they are being split[1], resulting in pairs of one big
> and one small packet (i.e. 1500 -> 1460 + 40, plus any header
> overhead, that is).
> 
> There are ways for the sender to say "no" to fragmentation,
> there are ways to "discover" how to set the MTU to have no
> fragmentation end-to-end and there are ways to thwart this
> discovery (dumb firewalls). Welcome to that rabbit hole :-)
> 
> A session with wireshark might bring a lot of light into what
> is going on. Some learning curve expected, but extremely rewarding.
> 
> [1] the technical term is "fragment"
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_fragmentation
> 
> regards
> -- t

Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

[tomas]

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On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 08:26:46AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dan (and Lisi): Thanks for the responses!
> 
> On this one I will need to cogitate a little before either understanding 
> fully 
> (and reaching "enlightenment") or responding with further questions.
> 
> But I do have two quick comments:
> 
> 1.  I am definitely comparing the IN on one side of the modem to the OUT on 
> the 
> other, and

I've been just half-following the thread, so sorry if I miss
by a big amount, but... if the packets are crossing from the
network with the bigger MTU to the one with the smaller one,
perhaps they are being split[1], resulting in pairs of one big
and one small packet (i.e. 1500 -> 1460 + 40, plus any header
overhead, that is).

There are ways for the sender to say "no" to fragmentation,
there are ways to "discover" how to set the MTU to have no
fragmentation end-to-end and there are ways to thwart this
discovery (dumb firewalls). Welcome to that rabbit hole :-)

A session with wireshark might bring a lot of light into what
is going on. Some learning curve expected, but extremely rewarding.

[1] the technical term is "fragment"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_fragmentation

regards
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Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

[rhkramer]

Dan (and Lisi): Thanks for the responses!

On this one I will need to cogitate a little before either understanding fully 
(and reaching "enlightenment") or responding with further questions.

But I do have two quick comments:

1.  I am definitely comparing the IN on one side of the modem to the OUT on the 
other, and

2.  I'm sure that I'm looking at the download flows from my ISP as the ratio of 
the octets / bytes between the two flows is generally something like 10 to 1.  
I'm sure that I am not uploading 10 times (or even the same number) of bytes 
as I am downloading.  (For example, I rarely upload anything, and rarely have 
attachments to emails...)

Oh, and I have the statistics for both the IN and OUT on both the WAN VC side 
and the Ethernet side, and, as I think I mentioned, if someone wants to look 
at my spreadsheet, I can send it--I'm not sure how big it is (I have to edit 
out some irrelevant other pages) so I probably don't want to attach it to an 
email to the entire list.

regards,
Randy Kramer

On Tuesday, February 07, 2017 06:30:53 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
> rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > IIUC, data that I download from Earthlink is labeled "Data Out" on the
> > WAN VC side, and is labeled "Data In" on my LAN / Ethernet side.
> 
> "Possibly".  I don't have either that service or that modem.  However,
> in general terms (on a linux-based device),
> 
>   - "IN" refers to packets entering the device on one interface,
> destined to be sent out another interface (e.g. IN eth0 and then out
> eth1).
> 
>   - "OUT" refers to packets exiting a given interface.
> 
> So, in your example with "WAN_VC" and "LAN" ...
> 
>   - "LAN_IN" and "WAN_VC_OUT" are the flows for packets that you're
> uploading to the internet. Funny cat pictures, that email you send
> yourself, whatever.
> 
>   - If you have them, "WAN_VC_IN" and "LAN_OUT" would be the packets
> that you are downloading from the internet.
> 
> > The "anomaly" that I see is that there are twice as many bytes
> > (octets) coming in (Data Out) on the WAN VC side as are going out to
> > my LAN (Data In) on the Ethernet / LAN side.
> > 
> > Now, the number of packets are about the same, and the difference
> > mainly is that the packet size on the VC WAN "Data Out" are about
> > twice the size of the packets on the Ethernet / LAN side.
> 
> Don't forget that the routing device itself will be generating traffic,
> such as DNS lookups for you LAN clients, DHCP requests, etc. In
> addition, if it's an ISP-supplied device, it may be providing other
> metrics to them (signal quality, etc.)
> 
> > Aside: On data in the other direction (that is, to Earthlink), the
> > number of bytes (octets), packets, and size of the packets are all
> > about the same for the VC WAN and the Ethernet LAN.
> > 
> > My questions are:
> >* Why are there twice as many bytes measured coming in (from
> >Earthlink)  measured on the WAN VC side of the router as measured
> >on the Ethernet / LAN side of the router (or, I guess the analagous
> >question is why are the packets twice as big?  (I mean, is the
> >information encoded differently there or something?)
> 
> If you're looking at the "IN" lines for each interface, this could be as
> simple as you're comparing the wrong entries (see above for "IN" vs.
> "OUT").
> 
> >* And, can I do something to change that?
> 
> Typically, no.  Though it really depends on the nature of the traffic
> (i.e. where it's coming from / going to).
> 
> The following has been pulled from the message with ID
> t81pr-3n...@gated-at.bofh.it, so as to consolidate the disparate threads
> that cropped up due to the formatting issues the question initially had.
> 
> >
> >
> > So, I guess the possibility that this suggests to me seems
> > backwards--that is, the opposite of what I am seeing.  I mean, if
> > somewhere a 1500 byte packet has to be packed into a 1452 byte packet,
> > I suppose something might double the size of the 1452 byte packet and
> > just waste the leftover bytes in the two packets (i.e., 1452 * 2 -1500
> > = 1404), but the packets are coming in on the WAN side presumably at
> > 1452 bytes and I would think they would fit fine in the 1500 byte
> > packet on the LAN side.
> 
> No, it wouldn't be a "packet" (L3) that's getting messed with, but
> rather it's being caused by additional required header information in
> the pppoe connection.
> 
> Your LAN side has a 1500 (1518, or 1522 for VLANs) byte max frame size,
> with 64 bytes of the frame being reserved for the header.
> 
> Your WAN side has a 1492 byte max frame size, with those extra 8 bytes
> being required pppoe header information.  That is, the pppoe header is
> 72 bytes, rather than 64 of standard ethernet.
> 
> Now, just because there is a 1500 (1492) byte MTU doesn't mean that
> every frame will be 1500 bytes.  In many cases, they're a lot smaller,
> so as long as you're under the 1492-byte limit of your pppoe connection,
> you 

Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

[rhkramer]

I noticed today that those statistics pages do tell me the size of the MTUs

On the:   MTU is: 
WAN VC1540
Ethernet  1500

So, the numbers are a little different, but still relate the same way Dan 
mentioned, that is, the WAN VC MTU is larger than the Ethernet MTU.  (So this 
doesn't add anything to the discussion except to make one point more 
accurate.)


On Tuesday, February 07, 2017 05:27:18 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
> > So, I guess the possibility that this suggests to me seems
> > backwards--that is, the opposite of what I am seeing.  I mean, if
> > somewhere a 1500 byte packet has to be packed into a 1452 byte packet,
> > I suppose something might double the size of the 1452 byte packet and
> > just waste the leftover bytes in the two packets (i.e., 1452 * 2 -1500
> > = 1404), but the packets are coming in on the WAN side presumably at
> > 1452 bytes and I would think they would fit fine in the 1500 byte
> > packet on the LAN side.
> > 
> > (And I'm oversimplifying or misleading a little, because I'm not
> > seeing twice as many packets but instead packets that are twice as big
> > (on the WAN side).)

Re: upgrade failed debian 8.7

[Mike Nunn]

On 5 February 2017 at 17:08, Sven Hartge  wrote:
> Knowing Hetzner, I doubt they will be helpful.

They suggested changing the nvme disks though I thought this should
only be a last resort.

I tried your earlier suggestion and upgraded to 4.9 kernel from
backports all seems well with sync!

Thanks again for your help.

Regards

Mike

Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

[Dan Purgert]

rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> IIUC, data that I download from Earthlink is labeled "Data Out" on the
> WAN VC side, and is labeled "Data In" on my LAN / Ethernet side.

"Possibly".  I don't have either that service or that modem.  However,
in general terms (on a linux-based device),

  - "IN" refers to packets entering the device on one interface,
destined to be sent out another interface (e.g. IN eth0 and then out
eth1).
  
  - "OUT" refers to packets exiting a given interface.

So, in your example with "WAN_VC" and "LAN" ... 

  - "LAN_IN" and "WAN_VC_OUT" are the flows for packets that you're
uploading to the internet. Funny cat pictures, that email you send
yourself, whatever.

  - If you have them, "WAN_VC_IN" and "LAN_OUT" would be the packets
that you are downloading from the internet.
>
> The "anomaly" that I see is that there are twice as many bytes
> (octets) coming in (Data Out) on the WAN VC side as are going out to
> my LAN (Data In) on the Ethernet / LAN side.
>
> Now, the number of packets are about the same, and the difference
> mainly is that the packet size on the VC WAN "Data Out" are about
> twice the size of the packets on the Ethernet / LAN side.

Don't forget that the routing device itself will be generating traffic,
such as DNS lookups for you LAN clients, DHCP requests, etc. In
addition, if it's an ISP-supplied device, it may be providing other
metrics to them (signal quality, etc.)

>
> Aside: On data in the other direction (that is, to Earthlink), the
> number of bytes (octets), packets, and size of the packets are all
> about the same for the VC WAN and the Ethernet LAN.
>
> My questions are:
>
>* Why are there twice as many bytes measured coming in (from
>Earthlink)  measured on the WAN VC side of the router as measured
>on the Ethernet / LAN side of the router (or, I guess the analagous
>question is why are the packets twice as big?  (I mean, is the
>information encoded differently there or something?)

If you're looking at the "IN" lines for each interface, this could be as
simple as you're comparing the wrong entries (see above for "IN" vs.
"OUT").  

>
>* And, can I do something to change that?

Typically, no.  Though it really depends on the nature of the traffic
(i.e. where it's coming from / going to).

The following has been pulled from the message with ID
t81pr-3n...@gated-at.bofh.it, so as to consolidate the disparate threads
that cropped up due to the formatting issues the question initially had.

>
> So, I guess the possibility that this suggests to me seems
> backwards--that is, the opposite of what I am seeing.  I mean, if
> somewhere a 1500 byte packet has to be packed into a 1452 byte packet,
> I suppose something might double the size of the 1452 byte packet and
> just waste the leftover bytes in the two packets (i.e., 1452 * 2 -1500
> = 1404), but the packets are coming in on the WAN side presumably at
> 1452 bytes and I would think they would fit fine in the 1500 byte
> packet on the LAN side.

No, it wouldn't be a "packet" (L3) that's getting messed with, but
rather it's being caused by additional required header information in
the pppoe connection.  

Your LAN side has a 1500 (1518, or 1522 for VLANs) byte max frame size,
with 64 bytes of the frame being reserved for the header.

Your WAN side has a 1492 byte max frame size, with those extra 8 bytes
being required pppoe header information.  That is, the pppoe header is
72 bytes, rather than 64 of standard ethernet.

Now, just because there is a 1500 (1492) byte MTU doesn't mean that
every frame will be 1500 bytes.  In many cases, they're a lot smaller,
so as long as you're under the 1492-byte limit of your pppoe connection,
you will always be sending (LAN Side) + 8 bytes.


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Re: [OFF] Filosofia e TI

[Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete DUTRA]

Le lun. 6 févr. 2017 à 14:08, Rodrigo Cunha 
 a écrit :
Guimarães, se tiver uma lista de TI que trate de filosofia me passe, 
não conheço nenhuma e ficarei grato se me indicar alguma.


Não tem que eu saiba, mas há listas menos focadas que esta.


Enquanto não tenho outra lista, vai esse lista mesmo como [OFF] 
_termo apropriado;


Como já disse, fora de tópico, fora da lista; nada apropriado.



Desta perspectiva a pergunta certa seria:
Por que a filosofia, que trata da lógica não deve ser importante 
para quem depende de lógica para seu sustento?


Filistinismo por um lado, mas por outro a lógica é apenas uma 
ferramenta da filosofia.  É perfeitamente possível aplicá-la sem 
aplicar outros ramos igualmente importantes, e em muitas situações 
pode ser bastante adequado.  Claro que há ramos imprescindíveis 
sempre, como ética.


	E, por ser fora de tópico, paro por aqui e peço que todos parem 
também.

Re: Reportbug - relevant package

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 08:38:54AM +, Peter wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've recently installed Debian Stretch RC2 Testing and was wondering if you
> could help me identify where to report bugs involving the Gnome UI?
> 
> I've had a few issues, with things like being unable to resize the mouse
> settings window, using touch screen to move a window pops up the on screen
> keyboard etc.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

You could use the "gnome" generic package if you aren't sure which sub-component
is correct.

From what I recall, the fixed-size mouse settings window (and all the
preferences windows) is a design decision, I'm afraid.

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Re: How to fix I/O errors?

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 01:38:58PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I had been trying as root (see above).  I do not have smartmontools
> currently installed.  If I remember correctly, that is only going to be
> useful if it was already installed so the daemon could be capturing data
> when the problem occurred.  Is that correct, or am I thinking of a different
> package?

Different package maybe. The HDDs themselves maintain the logs, smartctl merely
prints them. If you had it installed already, you might have local logs from it
that would tell you when a problem was first noticed, but that's about it.

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Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

[Dan Purgert]

rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 06, 2017 06:24:40 PM Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Could be MTU differences, and the router needing to do something (e.g.
>> 1500 on the LAN side, and 1452 on the WAN, which is usually typical for
>> DSL / PPPoE connections).
>
> BTW, thanks Dan for your response--I hope the resent email is at least a 
> little easier to understand.

Yeah, will "essentially" start over there, hopefully it won't be too
much a mess :)

>
>
>
> So, I guess the possibility that this suggests to me seems
> backwards--that is, the opposite of what I am seeing.  I mean, if
> somewhere a 1500 byte packet has to be packed into a 1452 byte packet,
> I suppose something might double the size of the 1452 byte packet and
> just waste the leftover bytes in the two packets (i.e., 1452 * 2 -1500
> = 1404), but the packets are coming in on the WAN side presumably at
> 1452 bytes and I would think they would fit fine in the 1500 byte
> packet on the LAN side.
>
> (And I'm oversimplifying or misleading a little, because I'm not
> seeing twice as many packets but instead packets that are twice as big
> (on the WAN side).)


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Re: Depot Squeeze

[randy11]

Bonjour, 

Cela ne répond en rien à la question, puisqu'il s'agit de Squeeze, mais pour la 
culture générale, 
Debian gère en "Long Term Support" (LTS) les distributions Wheezy et Jessie. 
J'avais cru 
que Squeeze était concernée, d'où ma recherche. 

Quelques liens : 
- https://wiki.debian.org/fr/LTS/ 
- https://wiki.debian.org/fr/LTS/Using 
- https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160425 

Randy11. 

- Mail original -

> De: "David Martin" 
> À: "debian-user-french@lists.debian.org French"
> 
> Envoyé: Mercredi 1 Février 2017 09:51:51
> Objet: Depot Squeeze

> Bonjour,

> J'ai un problème au boulot, je ne peux pas passer en version Wheezy
> et j'ai make à installer sur une squeeze.

> Savez vous si il existe un dépot archive squeeze que je peux mettre
> dans mon source.list ?

> --

> david martin

how to override a conffile (not using dpkg-divert)?

[Harald Dunkel]

Hi folks,

https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html says

"Do not attempt to divert a conffile, as dpkg does not handle it well."

So I wonder what would you suggest to override a conffile (e.g.
/etc/ssh/sshd_conf and /etc/ssh/ssh_conf) from another package
depending upon the "conffile owner"?

Is it safe to ignore this warning?


Regards
Harri

Reportbug - relevant package

[Peter]

Hi,

I've recently installed Debian Stretch RC2 Testing and was wondering if you
could help me identify where to report bugs involving the Gnome UI?

I've had a few issues, with things like being unable to resize the mouse
settings window, using touch screen to move a window pops up the on screen
keyboard etc.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards
Peter