Re: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not

[Johann Spies]

On 15 March 2017 at 06:57, Dean Valentine  wrote:

> I have installed three operating systems on this computer: Linux Mint,
> Ubuntu, and Arch Linux. None of them had any problems detecting and using
> my "Network Manager: Qualcomm Atheros 003e", and it shows up on lspci, but
> when the Debian graphic installer attempts to do this, it fails and tells
> me "No Ethernet Card" detected. I've attempted to use the ISO you've
> provided for me with propryetary firmware bundled into it here:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.7.1/amd64/iso-cd/, but that
> couldn't find it either. It's unusual because I see (or at least I think I
> see) my drivers listed, and when i select them manually
>
> What's going on? How do I get this to work? Obviously there are linux
> drivers out there for Debian to use with my machine, they're just not in
> Debian's isos for some reason.
>
> Thank you for your time. I love your work.
>

There is a package "firmware-atheros" .

If I were you i would install it.  Maybe that will solve your problem.

Regards
Johann



-- 
Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself,
my lips will praise you.  (Psalm 63:3)

Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Arch Linux recognize my Acer Aspire S wifi, debian does not

[Dean Valentine]

I have installed three operating systems on this computer: Linux Mint,
Ubuntu, and Arch Linux. None of them had any problems detecting and using
my "Network Manager: Qualcomm Atheros 003e", and it shows up on lspci, but
when the Debian graphic installer attempts to do this, it fails and tells
me "No Ethernet Card" detected. I've attempted to use the ISO you've
provided for me with propryetary firmware bundled into it here:
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.7.1/amd64/iso-cd/, but that couldn't
find it either. It's unusual because I see (or at least I think I see) my
drivers listed, and when i select them manually

What's going on? How do I get this to work? Obviously there are linux
drivers out there for Debian to use with my machine, they're just not in
Debian's isos for some reason.

Thank you for your time. I love your work.

Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before first partition

[Andy Smith]

Hello,

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 08:36:59PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> Is anyone aware of a utility that can walk a file system and replace
> identical files with hard links?

As an alternative to doing this, you could consider using a
filesystem with block-level de-duplication support.

ZFS and btrfs can do this online, though that uses a very large
amount of memory. btrfs and recently XFS can do it offline, which
means that you trigger it at a time of your choosing.

Support in XFS only arrived in kernel version 4.9.1, and is still
marked as experimental. The kernel in jessie-backports right now is
new enough. I did a write up a while ago about experimenting with
this in XFS:

http://strugglers.net/~andy/blog/2017/01/10/xfs-reflinks-and-deduplication/

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before first partition

[David Christensen]

On 03/14/2017 04:52 AM, The Wanderer wrote:

On 2017-03-13 at 23:36, David Christensen wrote:


Is anyone aware of a utility that can walk a file system and replace
 identical files with hard links?


Try rdfind. It's in Debian; I don't use it myself, largely because the
(accepted upstream years ago) feature request for a "-minsize" option
(to replace or extend the "-ignoreempty" option) which I need for my use
case has not apparently been implemented yet - but finding duplicate
files is exactly what it's meant for, and one of its available "actions"
is to replace the duplicate files with hardlinks.


rdfind looks like just what I wanted.  Thanks for the tip.  :-)


David

Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before first partition

[David Christensen]

On 03/14/2017 03:34 AM, David wrote:

On 14 March 2017 at 14:36, David Christensen  wrote:


Doing a quick test, it appears that rsync copies hard linked files as if
each were a different file:

rsync -a hard-link-1/ hard-link-2


Here, 'man rsync' says:
"Note that -a does not preserve hardlinks, because finding
multiply-linked files is expensive.  You must separately specify -H."


Thanks for the tip.  :-)


So, rsync can copy hard links:

2017-03-14 19:33:10 dpchrist@jesse ~/sandbox/rsync
$ cat hard-link
#!/bin/sh
# Test 'rsync -a' and hard links
# $Id: hard-link,v 1.3 2017/03/15 02:32:08 dpchrist Exp $
# by David Paul Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com
# Public Domain
mkdir hard-link-1
mkdir hard-link-2
echo "hello, world!" > hard-link-1/hello.txt
ln hard-link-1/hello.txt hard-link-1/link-1.txt
ln hard-link-1/hello.txt hard-link-1/link-2.txt
ln hard-link-1/hello.txt hard-link-1/link-3.txt
ln hard-link-1/hello.txt hard-link-1/link-4.txt
ls -li hard-link-1/*
du -b hard-link-1/*
rsync -a -H hard-link-1/ hard-link-2
ls -li hard-link-2/*
du -b hard-link-2/*
rm -rf hard-link-1
rm -rf hard-link-2


2017-03-14 19:33:13 dpchrist@jesse ~/sandbox/rsync
$ sh hard-link
272911 -rw-r--r-- 5 dpchrist dpchrist 14 Mar 14 19:33 hard-link-1/hello.txt
272911 -rw-r--r-- 5 dpchrist dpchrist 14 Mar 14 19:33 hard-link-1/link-1.txt
272911 -rw-r--r-- 5 dpchrist dpchrist 14 Mar 14 19:33 hard-link-1/link-2.txt
272911 -rw-r--r-- 5 dpchrist dpchrist 14 Mar 14 19:33 hard-link-1/link-3.txt
272911 -rw-r--r-- 5 dpchrist dpchrist 14 Mar 14 19:33 hard-link-1/link-4.txt
14  hard-link-1/hello.txt
272912 -rw-r--r-- 5 dpchrist dpchrist 14 Mar 14 19:33 hard-link-2/hello.txt
272912 -rw-r--r-- 5 dpchrist dpchrist 14 Mar 14 19:33 hard-link-2/link-1.txt
272912 -rw-r--r-- 5 dpchrist dpchrist 14 Mar 14 19:33 hard-link-2/link-2.txt
272912 -rw-r--r-- 5 dpchrist dpchrist 14 Mar 14 19:33 hard-link-2/link-3.txt
272912 -rw-r--r-- 5 dpchrist dpchrist 14 Mar 14 19:33 hard-link-2/link-4.txt
14  hard-link-2/hello.txt


On 03/14/2017 04:52 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> (You may want to check whether the resulting files are hardlinked back
> to the ones in the original tree; I haven't tested, and from reading the
> man page it doesn't seem entirely clear.)


The test above indicates that hard links created by rsync with the -H 
option point to files within the destination tree.



David

Problema KDE plasma

[JESUS0414 .]

Cordial saludo comunidad.

He tenido cierto problema con el escritorio de KDE Plasma 5.5.5 el cual, al
bloquear sesión o al tener ciertas ventanas abiertas, se crashea y toca si
o si reiniciar ya que ni siquiera permite el acceso a la consola.

El procesador del PC es un core2 duo E7400 2.80GHz y la tarjeta de vídeo es
una MSI 710 discreta.

El suceso pasa cuando uso steam y juego dota2 por ejemplo, al pasar un rato
se detiene el entorno gráfico y toca reiniciar como ya comenté, pero, pasa
con otros programas o aplicaciones, sin embargo tarda más en pasar esto.

He tratado de instalar el controlador de nvidia pero no permite la
instalación y adicional sale pantalla negra y toca remover dicho
controlador.

Esto me pasa tanto en Debian 8 y con Kubuntu 16.04, ¿alguna solución
posible a esto?

Saludos.

Re: Programa IRPF não reconhece o Java

[Sinval Júnior]

Absurdo, com tantas tecnologias disponivies esse sistema ainda depender do
runtime do Java. Governo gosta de facilitar a vida da CIA.

Ao encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor:
1 - Apague meu endereço eletrônico;
2 - Encaminhe como Cópia Oculta (Cco ou BCc) aos seus destinatários.
Dificulte assim a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners.

#=+
#!/usr/bin/env python
nome = 'Sinval Júnior'
email = 'sinvalju arroba gmail ponto com'
print nome
print email
#==+

Em 12 de março de 2017 09:42, Leonardo Rocha 
escreveu:

> Eu tive que reinstalar o java pra depois instalar o IRPF. Só assim deu
> certo no meu caso. Instalei via repositório. Usei o repositório do ubuntu
> (é, infelizmente).
>
> On 11-03-2017 21:13, Gerson wrote:
>
> Prezados
>
> Tentei fazer a instalação do programa IRPF 2017
> (IRPF2017Linux-x86_64v1.1.bin) mas ele não encontrou o Java (Oracle) que
> está instalado. Apresentou a seguinte mensagem:
> [image: Alinhar imagem]
>
> Informações adicionais:
> Utilizo XFCE4
>
> $ uname -a
> Linux debian 4.9.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.6-3 (2017-01-28) x86_64
> GNU/Linux
> -
>
> $ ./IRPF2017Linux-x86_64v1.1.bin --version
> 1.1 (1.0.0.0)
>
> InstallJammer Installer version 1.2.15
>
> Este programa irá instalar IRPF2017 - Declaração de Ajuste Anual, Final de
> Espólio e Saída Definitiva do País versão 1.1.
>
> --
>
> $ java -version
> openjdk version "1.8.0_121"
> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_121-8u121-b13-3-b13)
> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.121-b13, mixed mode)
>
> --
> No Firefox Versão do Java Verificada
> [image: Completion checkmark]
> Parabéns!
> *Você tem o Java recomendado instalado (Version 8 Update 121).*
>
>
>
>

Re: Ayuda con Istalacion de Terminales Tontas

[Ernesto Escobedo]

Muy buenas tardes

mi experiencia con terminales tontas se ha basado en http://ltsp.org/ en
especial con la implentacion de Ubuntu la cual ha demostrada son muy
flexible y facil de mantener.

consta de un pxe un ntfs una imagen para mostrar.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall

y hemos a travez de redireccion de puertos llevar las interfaces he
impresoras..

una buena lectura

saludos

Ernesto


El 14 de marzo de 2017, 19:15, Edwin De La Cruz 
escribió:

>
>
> El 14/3/2017 7:58 PM, "Alejandro García" 
> escribió:
>
> Amigo de lo que hablas el mejor sistema operativo que puedes usar es
> debian GNU/Linux. y entorno de escritorio LXDE es sencillo y muy
> orientado a trabajo ahora de SO en red tengo algo de experiencia y te
> viene bien hacer una migración a debian para ello pero el problema más
> grande no es migrar los equipos, es el personal que tienes que adiestrar
> primeramente, con esto reducirán el pago de licencias a cero pero por ética
> y compromiso con el software libre sería bueno que hicieran donaciones a
> esos proyectos en software libre que dan en tus manos software que te
> permite hacer esto.
>
> Saludos siempre a la orden
>
>
> El 14 de marzo de 2017, 16:26, Mario Diaz 
> escribió:
>
>> Muy buenas tardes
>> mi nombre es Mario Amaya Diaz yo trabajo en el departamento de IT de una
>> empresa de estado en Honduras, y por muchos meses tenemos una idea que
>> pensamos seria revolucionario en nuestro centro de trabajo y es la
>> implementacion de teminales tontas, ya que por motivos de licenciamiento
>> microsoft nos ahoga con sus precios, ahora contamos con servidores en los
>> cuales podemos instalas vmware exsi o un open OS como linux todos los
>> usuarios tienen computadoras con viejitas y nuevas a las cuales podriamos
>> desconectar los dicos duro y iniciar desde la red (PXE),  pero estamos en
>> pañales todavia con esta idea. por lo cual pido a ustedes por un guia en
>> este tema, les agradecere su pronta respuesta.
>>
>> Atentamente Mario Amaya Diaz
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ++
>   Alejandro García
>   TSU en Informática
>   Programador
>   Linux User id: 561553
>
>   Dirección Venezuela:
>  País Venezuela
>  Estado Aragua
>  Ciudad San Sebastián de los Reyes
>  Sector las Marías calle San Antonio
>  Código postal 2340
>
>   Dirección España:
>  País España
>  Provincia Alicante
>  Ciudad Alicante
>  Calle Finestrat 9, Urb. Savannah
>  Bloque II, 3º J
>  Código postal 03012
>
>   Telf. Contacto Venezuela
>  Teléfono (+58) 0246-521-1665 <+58%20246-5211665>
>  Celular (+58) 0414-562-0069 <+58%20414-5620069>
>  Celular (+58) 0424-362-9068 <+58%20424-3629068>
>
>   Telf. Contacto España
>  Teléfono (+34) 966 443 420 <+34%20966%2044%2034%2020>
>  Celular (+34) 617 557 970 <+34%20617%2055%2079%2070>
>
>   http://laespadadelhacker.blogspot.com
>   http://linuxcounter.net/user/561553.html
>   http://gnu-linux-xx.blogspot.com
> ++
>
>
> Saludos cordiales.
> Si cada persona ya disponde de una maquina con X Sistema operativo,
> posiblemente algunas maquinas ya sean antiguas, yo en tu lugar instalaria
> una distribucion ligera de linux como Debian con lxde, funciona muy bien y
> fluido, incluso en portatil core i5 tengo instalado lxde.
>
> Hace unos años tenia una pentium III con 1G  de ram y funcionaba de forma
> aceptable.   Incluso en una maquina 486 con 128 megas de ram le logre
> instalar y funcionaba, claro que no se le podia pedir mucho pero era
> suficientes para algunos juegos sencillos y navegar en internet.
>
> A lo q voy es q en lugar se complicarse configurando un servidor para
> terminales tontas y li que eso conlleva seria mejor instalar en cada
> maquina una distribucion de linux completa.
> De pronto si un servidor de archivos si las maquinas estan cortas de
> espacio en disco.
> En fin las opciones son varias.
>
> Saludos desde Ecuador.
>
>
>

Re: Ayuda con Istalacion de Terminales Tontas

[Edwin De La Cruz]

El 14/3/2017 7:58 PM, "Alejandro García" 
escribió:

Amigo de lo que hablas el mejor sistema operativo que puedes usar es
debian GNU/Linux. y entorno de escritorio LXDE es sencillo y muy
orientado a trabajo ahora de SO en red tengo algo de experiencia y te
viene bien hacer una migración a debian para ello pero el problema más
grande no es migrar los equipos, es el personal que tienes que adiestrar
primeramente, con esto reducirán el pago de licencias a cero pero por ética
y compromiso con el software libre sería bueno que hicieran donaciones a
esos proyectos en software libre que dan en tus manos software que te
permite hacer esto.

Saludos siempre a la orden


El 14 de marzo de 2017, 16:26, Mario Diaz 
escribió:

> Muy buenas tardes
> mi nombre es Mario Amaya Diaz yo trabajo en el departamento de IT de una
> empresa de estado en Honduras, y por muchos meses tenemos una idea que
> pensamos seria revolucionario en nuestro centro de trabajo y es la
> implementacion de teminales tontas, ya que por motivos de licenciamiento
> microsoft nos ahoga con sus precios, ahora contamos con servidores en los
> cuales podemos instalas vmware exsi o un open OS como linux todos los
> usuarios tienen computadoras con viejitas y nuevas a las cuales podriamos
> desconectar los dicos duro y iniciar desde la red (PXE),  pero estamos en
> pañales todavia con esta idea. por lo cual pido a ustedes por un guia en
> este tema, les agradecere su pronta respuesta.
>
> Atentamente Mario Amaya Diaz
>



-- 

++
  Alejandro García
  TSU en Informática
  Programador
  Linux User id: 561553

  Dirección Venezuela:
 País Venezuela
 Estado Aragua
 Ciudad San Sebastián de los Reyes
 Sector las Marías calle San Antonio
 Código postal 2340

  Dirección España:
 País España
 Provincia Alicante
 Ciudad Alicante
 Calle Finestrat 9, Urb. Savannah
 Bloque II, 3º J
 Código postal 03012

  Telf. Contacto Venezuela
 Teléfono (+58) 0246-521-1665 <+58%20246-5211665>
 Celular (+58) 0414-562-0069 <+58%20414-5620069>
 Celular (+58) 0424-362-9068 <+58%20424-3629068>

  Telf. Contacto España
 Teléfono (+34) 966 443 420 <+34%20966%2044%2034%2020>
 Celular (+34) 617 557 970 <+34%20617%2055%2079%2070>

  http://laespadadelhacker.blogspot.com
  http://linuxcounter.net/user/561553.html
  http://gnu-linux-xx.blogspot.com
++


Saludos cordiales.
Si cada persona ya disponde de una maquina con X Sistema operativo,
posiblemente algunas maquinas ya sean antiguas, yo en tu lugar instalaria
una distribucion ligera de linux como Debian con lxde, funciona muy bien y
fluido, incluso en portatil core i5 tengo instalado lxde.

Hace unos años tenia una pentium III con 1G  de ram y funcionaba de forma
aceptable.   Incluso en una maquina 486 con 128 megas de ram le logre
instalar y funcionaba, claro que no se le podia pedir mucho pero era
suficientes para algunos juegos sencillos y navegar en internet.

A lo q voy es q en lugar se complicarse configurando un servidor para
terminales tontas y li que eso conlleva seria mejor instalar en cada
maquina una distribucion de linux completa.
De pronto si un servidor de archivos si las maquinas estan cortas de
espacio en disco.
En fin las opciones son varias.

Saludos desde Ecuador.

Re: Ayuda con Istalacion de Terminales Tontas

[Alejandro García]

Amigo de lo que hablas el mejor sistema operativo que puedes usar es
debian GNU/Linux. y entorno de escritorio LXDE es sencillo y muy
orientado a trabajo ahora de SO en red tengo algo de experiencia y te
viene bien hacer una migración a debian para ello pero el problema más
grande no es migrar los equipos, es el personal que tienes que adiestrar
primeramente, con esto reducirán el pago de licencias a cero pero por ética
y compromiso con el software libre sería bueno que hicieran donaciones a
esos proyectos en software libre que dan en tus manos software que te
permite hacer esto.

Saludos siempre a la orden


El 14 de marzo de 2017, 16:26, Mario Diaz 
escribió:

> Muy buenas tardes
> mi nombre es Mario Amaya Diaz yo trabajo en el departamento de IT de una
> empresa de estado en Honduras, y por muchos meses tenemos una idea que
> pensamos seria revolucionario en nuestro centro de trabajo y es la
> implementacion de teminales tontas, ya que por motivos de licenciamiento
> microsoft nos ahoga con sus precios, ahora contamos con servidores en los
> cuales podemos instalas vmware exsi o un open OS como linux todos los
> usuarios tienen computadoras con viejitas y nuevas a las cuales podriamos
> desconectar los dicos duro y iniciar desde la red (PXE),  pero estamos en
> pañales todavia con esta idea. por lo cual pido a ustedes por un guia en
> este tema, les agradecere su pronta respuesta.
>
> Atentamente Mario Amaya Diaz
>



-- 

++
  Alejandro García
  TSU en Informática
  Programador
  Linux User id: 561553

  Dirección Venezuela:
 País Venezuela
 Estado Aragua
 Ciudad San Sebastián de los Reyes
 Sector las Marías calle San Antonio
 Código postal 2340

  Dirección España:
 País España
 Provincia Alicante
 Ciudad Alicante
 Calle Finestrat 9, Urb. Savannah
 Bloque II, 3º J
 Código postal 03012

  Telf. Contacto Venezuela
 Teléfono (+58) 0246-521-1665
 Celular (+58) 0414-562-0069
 Celular (+58) 0424-362-9068

  Telf. Contacto España
 Teléfono (+34) 966 443 420
 Celular (+34) 617 557 970

  http://laespadadelhacker.blogspot.com
  http://linuxcounter.net/user/561553.html
  http://gnu-linux-xx.blogspot.com
++

Re: Problemas con debían 8

[Juan Lavieri]

Hola.


El 14-03-2017 a las 05:12 p.m., Tosi A escribió:
despues de introducir la contraseña lapantalla se pone negra. Fue 
despues de hacer uninstall netbeans 8.2


Primero que nada
¿Cómo lo desinstalaste?
¿Qué sucede si le das  +  + F1?
Si te permite ingresar, intenta reinstalar netbeans a ver si el problema 
se elimina.

#aptitude install netbeans

También sería bueno mirar el archivo de log de apt a ver que se 
desinstaló (está en /var/log/apt)

Tambien puedes mirar si hay algún error de xorg

cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep EE

Saludos.

--
Juan M Lavieri

Errar es de humanos, pero es mas humano culpar a los demás.

Broken Dell UEFI Firmware?

[Kent West]

I have a new Dell Precision 3620.

I have just installed Jessie on the drive, in UEFI mode, creating a
separate EFI partition, FAT-formatted, in a GPT partition table.

After install, the "grubx64.efi" file is in in the "\[GUID]\EFI\debian"
directory.

But when I boot the machine, it fails to boot, not being able to find a
bootable device.

When I go into the UEFI, I can manually specify a boot option to point to
this directory, but when I reboot, it still fails. When I go back into the
UEFI, and look at the boot option I specified, I see that the UEFI silently
changed my specific "\[GUID\EFI\debian\grubx64.efi" entry to
"\]GUID\BOOT\BOOTX64.efi".

There seems to be no way to over-ride this silent bait-and-switch.

I can boot from a rescue drive and create the "\BOOT" directory and copy
the "grubx64.efi" file into it with the "BOOTX64.efi" name, and Debian
boots fine, but I shouldn't have to do that, methinks.

I downloaded/installed the most recent "BIOS" from the Dell site, to none
effect.

So, my question:

Is Dell's UEFI implementation broken, or am I simply overlooking something?
I'm going to go see if I can make the setting stick if I use
Debian's efibootmgr utility.

Thanks!

-- 
Kent West<")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

Problemas con debían 8

[Tosi A]

despues de introducir la contraseña lapantalla se pone negra. Fue despues
de hacer uninstall netbeans 8.2

Re: [OFF] Wifi sin Internet

[alparkom]

El 14/03/17 a las 16:39, Uzziel Contreras Portilla escribió:


Buenas tardes Amigo;

 1. El Internet es un servicio que puedes cancelarlo cuando tu
quieras, como la señal de TV, Teléfono, Netflix, etc.
 2. La conexión Local es otra cosa que te administra un dispositivo de
red como un Router, Switch, Access Point entre otros.

La respuesta es "SI", tu puedes cancelar tu Internet y tener red de 
área Local, si necesitas expandir tu red para que llegue hasta el 
desierto del Sahara(jojojo), necesitas tal vez un dispositivo como 
este: https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanostationm/, yo tengo en mi 
empresa uno y llega la red WIFI a más de 5 km.



Genial.
Quizá ordene unos 12 mil de esos, a ver si alcanza.. jajaja.

Saludos,


Cualquier duda estamos para apoyarte, saludos LISTA...


El 14/03/17 a las 13:18, alparkom escribió:



El 14/03/17 a las 16:02, JAP escribió:

El 14/03/17 a las 15:55, alparkom escribió:

Buenas,

Alguno sabe si es posible tener Wifi sin Internet? Lo que necesito es
basicamente la red interna.

Explico: tengo aplicaciones Web de Intranet y necesito conectar 
tablets
y otros dispositivos para que puedan ver dichas aplicaciones, pero 
no en
todas las oficinas donde se instalará se dispone de conexión a 
Internet

y contratar éstos servicios por la cantidad de oficinas que serán, es
mucho dinero que sinceramente no se utilizará fuera de la red interna.

Alguno tiene idea de como poder hacerlo?

Saludos,


No sos muy claro que digamos.

No me expliqué bien, ahora va a detalle, creando una situación 
hipotética:
Tengo una empresa que está en el centro del desierto (literalmente, 
ni un metro mas ni uno menos) y ninguna empresa (ISP) quiere enviarme 
conexión a Internet ya que dicen que será contraproducente (que mal 
servicio). En esta empresa, tengo varios servicios internos, éstos 
están instalados en un servidor que está dentro de la misma empresa. 
Lo que necesito es que mis trabajadores puedan ingresar al servidor 
para poder utilizar los servicios que están alojados en él. Osea, 
necesito que mi servidor tenga una IP interna sin necesidad de 
contratar servicios de Internet... osea, mi servidor deberá tener la 
IP (ficticia, no me hackeen por favor) 192.168.100.1, entonces los 
demás dispositivos podrán ingresar a los servicios alojados en el 
servidor ingresando esa IP en el navegador... hasta ahora, lo he 
hecho teniendo servicios de Internet contratados, ya saben, router 
que emite señal de Wifi y usa cables... pero mi duda es que si 
seguiría funcionando aunque yo no pague el Internet.
Yo creo que si ya que el router funciona tenga o no conexión con la 
ISP, así que imagino que no habría problemas, con la excepción de que 
no habrá conexión a la red de Internet.
Si tienes un enrutador físico, lee su respectivo manual para 
bloquear la salida a Internet de los equipos de la red, o del 
segmento en cuestión.

No quiero bloquear la salida a Internet.


Si tienen un Debian corriendo como enrutador, iptables es tu amigo.

No quiero bloquear la salida a Internet, nuevamente.


No sé tu nivel de experiencia, proo... me parece que no es mucho.

No entendiste mi cometido, tu comentario esta fuera de ser debatible.

Internet no te da servicio de red, lo hace el enrutador.

Clarísimo.
Y el enrutador es quien trabaja como puerta de acceso traduciendo 
todo lo de la red interna hacia afuera, por lo que deberías aprender 
a configurarlo.
Entonces, aunque no haya Internet habría red interna. Osea que 
mientras haya un router funcionando, podría emitir Wifi (si es que 
éste lo permite) y los usuarios que se conecten tendrían una IP 
interna del estilo 192.168.x.x?


Esa es mi duda. Y hasta ahora creo que si, pero confirmen por favor.

PD: alguno conoce una IP que ocupe globos aerostáticos para entregar 
señal de Wifi? O insectos voladores, también serviría, aunque podrían 
llevar poco Internet, solo unos pocos megas. Jajaja.


JAP

Re: New motherboard, no network

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 14 March 2017 10:24:29 Tony van der Hoff wrote:

> After many years, my faithful ASUS motherboard died, so I've replaced
> it with a Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2. t booted up fine from my existing
> disk set into Jessie, but networking is inoperative. The board has an
> on-board network interface, plus an extra PCI network board. Neither
> seem to be working, although they are recognised by lspci -v:
>
> ###
> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)
> Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Motherboard
> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 74
> I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
> Memory at fea0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
> Memory at d080 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=16K]
> Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
> Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
> Capabilities: [70] Express Endpoint, MSI 01
> Capabilities: [b0] MSI-X: Enable- Count=4 Masked-
> Capabilities: [d0] Vital Product Data
> Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
> Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel
> Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number
> 01-00-00-00-68-4c-e0-00 Capabilities: [170] Latency Tolerance
> Reporting
> Kernel driver in use: r8169
>
> 02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169
> PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
> Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169/8110 Family
> PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC
> Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 20
> I/O ports at d000 [size=256]
> Memory at fe92 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
> Expansion ROM at fe90 [disabled] [size=128K]
> Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
> Kernel driver in use: r8169
> ###
>
> ifconfig only lists one board, which appears inactive:
>
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76
>   inet addr:192.168.1.7  Bcast:192.168.1.255 
> Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
>
> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
>   RX packets:2124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:2124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>   RX bytes:208935 (204.0 KiB)  TX bytes:208935 (204.0 KiB)
>
> 
>
> /etc/udev/70-persistent-net.rules presumably contains the addresses
> for the old motherboard:
>
> # This file was automatically generated by the
> /lib/udev/write_net_rules # program, run by the
> persistent-net-generator.rules rules file. #
> # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single
> # line, and change only the value of the NAME= key.
>
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
>
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"
>
> 
>
> So, how do I get the network active?
>
> Thanks,

Udev, seeing the existing configs, helpfully renamed the new interfaces 
for you.  There is a fix, google can probably find it.  Its bit me 
several times, at long enough intervals I've forgotten the fix.  When 
theres 8 decades on ones wet ram it tends to forget the small stuff.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Sven Hartge]

Miles Fidelman  wrote:

> There USED TO BE a lot of demand for a choice of installer at init
> time - from pretty much all of us who object to systemd.  Nobody
> listened, eventually people gave up, and a lot moved to other distros.

Can we please not have this discussion for the umpteenth time? Thank
you.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Ayuda con Istalacion de Terminales Tontas

[Mario Diaz]

Muy buenas tardes
mi nombre es Mario Amaya Diaz yo trabajo en el departamento de IT de una 
empresa de estado en Honduras, y por muchos meses tenemos una idea que pensamos 
seria revolucionario en nuestro centro de trabajo y es la implementacion de 
teminales tontas, ya que por motivos de licenciamiento microsoft nos ahoga con 
sus precios, ahora contamos con servidores en los cuales podemos instalas 
vmware exsi o un open OS como linux todos los usuarios tienen computadoras con 
viejitas y nuevas a las cuales podriamos desconectar los dicos duro y iniciar 
desde la red (PXE),  pero estamos en pañales todavia con esta idea. por lo cual 
pido a ustedes por un guia en este tema, les agradecere su pronta respuesta.

Atentamente Mario Amaya Diaz

Re: .wav afspelen lukt niet

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 14-03-17 om 18:00 schreef Frans van Berckel:

> Er is een cli toolset om de werking van Gstreamer te testen. Let wel,
> misschien moet je een extra packages installeren. Debuggen kan ook.
> 
> # gst-launch-1.0 playbin uri=file:///path/to/file.wav

Bedankt, kende ik nog niet!

Groeten,
Paul



-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

[Dan Ritter]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:15:15PM -0700, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> On 3/14/17 11:18 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 05:54:06PM +, Glenn English wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Dan Purgert  wrote:
> > > > David Christensen wrote:
> > > > > On 03/11/2017 07:10 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > > > I've vague ideas of what backup pattern(s) I might follow.
> > > > > > I'm looking for reading materials that might trigger "I hadn't 
> > > > > > thought
> > > > > > of that" moments.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Suggestions?
> > > I didn't see anybody talk about incremental backup (the backup
> > > consists of current versions as well as earlier ones -- often earlier
> > > work can replace erroneous or lost current work. Or work you don't
> > > notice is gone for a few days.). There are 2 I know of, and one (and
> > > probably many more) that may do that:
> > Having been there and done that, I can assure you that having a
> > live snapshot system -- rsnapshot or btrfs/zfs native tools --
> > is more fun and less work for everyone.
> > 
> Only if they do versioning.  Otherwise, live snapshots mirror deletes - not
> very useful if you want to restore an accidental delete!

All of the systems I mention are versioned (dated) snapshot
systems.

-dsr-

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Glenn Holmer]

On 03/14/2017 01:53 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:

> There USED TO BE a lot of demand for a choice of installer at init time
> - from pretty much all of us who object to systemd.  Nobody listened,
> eventually people gave up, and a lot moved to other distros.

Really? How many people switched away from Debian over systemd?

-- 
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2017-03-14, Miles Fidelman  wrote:
>
>
> On 3/14/17 4:37 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> On 2017-03-13, Erwan David  wrote:
>>> Le 03/13/17 à 20:40, Greg Wooledge a écrit :
 On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:30:11PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> The Linux mantra has always been "choice," plethoras of choices. So why
> at install time, is there no choice for the init system?  You get what
> the developers decide. Yes, you can install a new one -- I've done it
> and it works -- but only after the install.  It'd be a lot easier, if
> there were a choice to begin with just like whether you want a GUI and
> which one.
 Because the number of people who want to run a new version of Debian with
 an ancient and deprecated init system is probably in the triple digits,
 worldwide.

 You are a member of a small minority.  It's not reasonable to expect
 that a whole bunch of time will be spent making install images with
 alternative init systems for such a small demand.  You have a solution
 which works just fine.

>>> So why don't you use windows, if you despise minorities ?
>> Using Windows on a server or a phone would put you in a minority.
>>
>>> Your email is both insulting and contemptful. If this is your only
>>> argument, that's bad for the point you pretend to denfend.
>> You are overreacting. Greg's point is that there is little demand for an
>> installer which allows a choice of init system, and that spending time
>> on providing such an installer would not be justified. You are welcome
>> to disagree with that assessment, but please leave out the emotional
>> codswallop.
>>
> There USED TO BE a lot of demand for a choice of installer at init time 
> - from pretty much all of us who object to systemd.  Nobody listened, 
> eventually people gave up, and a lot moved to other distros.
>
> Miles Fidelman
>
>

As I said, you are welcome to disagree with Greg's assessment.

By the way, do you have any evidence (other than anecdotal) of an
upsurge in support for non-systemd distros? You have mentioned it twice
in this thread already.

-- 

Liam

Re: (deb-cat) Skype a Debian 8.7 (amd64)

[Narcis Garcia]

Ara veig, per poder-ho automatitzar:
https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb
S'instal·la i l'aplicació s'obre.

(La versió 4.3 segueix funcionant amb sistemes i686)

Gràcies!


__
I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
administrator should fix this.
El 14/03/17 a les 20:13, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
> vaig anar al web oficial d'Skype [1], llavors a descarregar Skype [2] i
> llavors a Descargar Skype para Linux DEB [3]
> 
> i t'enviarà el fitxer: skypeforlinux-64.deb (veig que ara ja no es alfa,
> l'antic era: skypeforlinux-64-alpha.deb) el que tinc jo instal·lat ara
> posa "beta" versio 5.0.0.5
> 
> [1] https://www.skype.com/es/
> [2] https://www.skype.com/es/download-skype/skype-for-computer/
> [3] https://go.skype.com/linux.deb
> 
> Salut!
> 
> El dia 14 de març de 2017 a les 19:55, Narcis Garcia
> > ha escrit:
> 
> I d'on surt l'alfa aquest?
> 
> 
> 
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
> administrator should fix this.
> El 14/03/17 a les 17:49, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
> > Jo faig servir Skype for Linux (alfa), crec que el vaig descarregar de
> > la pàgina oficial. Ja que l'altre Skype va deixar de funcionar. Altre
> > opció Skype web.
> >
> >
> > El dt., 14 març 2017 , 16:30, Narcis Garcia  
> > >> va
> escriure:
> >
> > Porto ja unes quantes instal·lacions de sistema on no aconsegueixo
> > completar la instal·lació de Skype. Segueixo totes les indicacions
> > del Wiki:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/skype
> > Però sense èxit, tant a causa de les dependències (ara)
> irresolubles
> > (com libqtwebkit4:i386) com de la manca de libGL.so.1 també
> aparentment
> > irresoluble.
> >
> > Algú altre s'hi ha trobat i ho ha aconseguit en aquesta versió
> (stable
> > actualitzada) de Debian?
> >
> > Gràcies.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > __
> > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses
> aren't
> > masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
> > administrator should fix this.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Correu enviat des del mòbil,  perdoneu la brevetat.
> >
> > http://jordi.boixader.com
> >
> 
> 

Re: [OFF] Wifi sin Internet

[Uzziel Contreras Portilla]

Buenas tardes Amigo;

1. El Internet es un servicio que puedes cancelarlo cuando tu quieras,
   como la señal de TV, Teléfono, Netflix, etc.
2. La conexión Local es otra cosa que te administra un dispositivo de
   red como un Router, Switch, Access Point entre otros.

La respuesta es "SI", tu puedes cancelar tu Internet y tener red de área 
Local, si necesitas expandir tu red para que llegue hasta el desierto 
del Sahara(jojojo), necesitas tal vez un dispositivo como este: 
https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanostationm/, yo tengo en mi empresa uno y 
llega la red WIFI a más de 5 km.


Cualquier duda estamos para apoyarte, saludos LISTA...


El 14/03/17 a las 13:18, alparkom escribió:



El 14/03/17 a las 16:02, JAP escribió:

El 14/03/17 a las 15:55, alparkom escribió:

Buenas,

Alguno sabe si es posible tener Wifi sin Internet? Lo que necesito es
basicamente la red interna.

Explico: tengo aplicaciones Web de Intranet y necesito conectar tablets
y otros dispositivos para que puedan ver dichas aplicaciones, pero 
no en

todas las oficinas donde se instalará se dispone de conexión a Internet
y contratar éstos servicios por la cantidad de oficinas que serán, es
mucho dinero que sinceramente no se utilizará fuera de la red interna.

Alguno tiene idea de como poder hacerlo?

Saludos,


No sos muy claro que digamos.

No me expliqué bien, ahora va a detalle, creando una situación 
hipotética:
Tengo una empresa que está en el centro del desierto (literalmente, ni 
un metro mas ni uno menos) y ninguna empresa (ISP) quiere enviarme 
conexión a Internet ya que dicen que será contraproducente (que mal 
servicio). En esta empresa, tengo varios servicios internos, éstos 
están instalados en un servidor que está dentro de la misma empresa. 
Lo que necesito es que mis trabajadores puedan ingresar al servidor 
para poder utilizar los servicios que están alojados en él. Osea, 
necesito que mi servidor tenga una IP interna sin necesidad de 
contratar servicios de Internet... osea, mi servidor deberá tener la 
IP (ficticia, no me hackeen por favor) 192.168.100.1, entonces los 
demás dispositivos podrán ingresar a los servicios alojados en el 
servidor ingresando esa IP en el navegador... hasta ahora, lo he hecho 
teniendo servicios de Internet contratados, ya saben, router que emite 
señal de Wifi y usa cables... pero mi duda es que si seguiría 
funcionando aunque yo no pague el Internet.
Yo creo que si ya que el router funciona tenga o no conexión con la 
ISP, así que imagino que no habría problemas, con la excepción de que 
no habrá conexión a la red de Internet.
Si tienes un enrutador físico, lee su respectivo manual para bloquear 
la salida a Internet de los equipos de la red, o del segmento en 
cuestión.

No quiero bloquear la salida a Internet.


Si tienen un Debian corriendo como enrutador, iptables es tu amigo.

No quiero bloquear la salida a Internet, nuevamente.


No sé tu nivel de experiencia, proo... me parece que no es mucho.

No entendiste mi cometido, tu comentario esta fuera de ser debatible.

Internet no te da servicio de red, lo hace el enrutador.

Clarísimo.
Y el enrutador es quien trabaja como puerta de acceso traduciendo 
todo lo de la red interna hacia afuera, por lo que deberías aprender 
a configurarlo.
Entonces, aunque no haya Internet habría red interna. Osea que 
mientras haya un router funcionando, podría emitir Wifi (si es que 
éste lo permite) y los usuarios que se conecten tendrían una IP 
interna del estilo 192.168.x.x?


Esa es mi duda. Y hasta ahora creo que si, pero confirmen por favor.

PD: alguno conoce una IP que ocupe globos aerostáticos para entregar 
señal de Wifi? O insectos voladores, también serviría, aunque podrían 
llevar poco Internet, solo unos pocos megas. Jajaja.


JAP

Re: [OFF] Wifi sin Internet

[alparkom]

El 14/03/17 a las 16:02, JAP escribió:

El 14/03/17 a las 15:55, alparkom escribió:

Buenas,

Alguno sabe si es posible tener Wifi sin Internet? Lo que necesito es
basicamente la red interna.

Explico: tengo aplicaciones Web de Intranet y necesito conectar tablets
y otros dispositivos para que puedan ver dichas aplicaciones, pero no en
todas las oficinas donde se instalará se dispone de conexión a Internet
y contratar éstos servicios por la cantidad de oficinas que serán, es
mucho dinero que sinceramente no se utilizará fuera de la red interna.

Alguno tiene idea de como poder hacerlo?

Saludos,


No sos muy claro que digamos.


No me expliqué bien, ahora va a detalle, creando una situación hipotética:
Tengo una empresa que está en el centro del desierto (literalmente, ni 
un metro mas ni uno menos) y ninguna empresa (ISP) quiere enviarme 
conexión a Internet ya que dicen que será contraproducente (que mal 
servicio). En esta empresa, tengo varios servicios internos, éstos están 
instalados en un servidor que está dentro de la misma empresa. Lo que 
necesito es que mis trabajadores puedan ingresar al servidor para poder 
utilizar los servicios que están alojados en él. Osea, necesito que mi 
servidor tenga una IP interna sin necesidad de contratar servicios de 
Internet... osea, mi servidor deberá tener la IP (ficticia, no me 
hackeen por favor) 192.168.100.1, entonces los demás dispositivos podrán 
ingresar a los servicios alojados en el servidor ingresando esa IP en el 
navegador... hasta ahora, lo he hecho teniendo servicios de Internet 
contratados, ya saben, router que emite señal de Wifi y usa cables... 
pero mi duda es que si seguiría funcionando aunque yo no pague el Internet.
Yo creo que si ya que el router funciona tenga o no conexión con la ISP, 
así que imagino que no habría problemas, con la excepción de que no 
habrá conexión a la red de Internet.
Si tienes un enrutador físico, lee su respectivo manual para bloquear 
la salida a Internet de los equipos de la red, o del segmento en 
cuestión.

No quiero bloquear la salida a Internet.


Si tienen un Debian corriendo como enrutador, iptables es tu amigo.

No quiero bloquear la salida a Internet, nuevamente.


No sé tu nivel de experiencia, proo... me parece que no es mucho.

No entendiste mi cometido, tu comentario esta fuera de ser debatible.

Internet no te da servicio de red, lo hace el enrutador.

Clarísimo.
Y el enrutador es quien trabaja como puerta de acceso traduciendo todo 
lo de la red interna hacia afuera, por lo que deberías aprender a 
configurarlo.
Entonces, aunque no haya Internet habría red interna. Osea que mientras 
haya un router funcionando, podría emitir Wifi (si es que éste lo 
permite) y los usuarios que se conecten tendrían una IP interna del 
estilo 192.168.x.x?


Esa es mi duda. Y hasta ahora creo que si, pero confirmen por favor.

PD: alguno conoce una IP que ocupe globos aerostáticos para entregar 
señal de Wifi? O insectos voladores, también serviría, aunque podrían 
llevar poco Internet, solo unos pocos megas. Jajaja.


JAP

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

[Miles Fidelman]

On 3/14/17 11:18 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:


On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 05:54:06PM +, Glenn English wrote:

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Dan Purgert  wrote:

David Christensen wrote:

On 03/11/2017 07:10 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I've vague ideas of what backup pattern(s) I might follow.
I'm looking for reading materials that might trigger "I hadn't thought
of that" moments.

Suggestions?

I didn't see anybody talk about incremental backup (the backup
consists of current versions as well as earlier ones -- often earlier
work can replace erroneous or lost current work. Or work you don't
notice is gone for a few days.). There are 2 I know of, and one (and
probably many more) that may do that:

Having been there and done that, I can assure you that having a
live snapshot system -- rsnapshot or btrfs/zfs native tools --
is more fun and less work for everyone.

Only if they do versioning.  Otherwise, live snapshots mirror deletes - 
not very useful if you want to restore an accidental delete!


Miles Fidelman



--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Re: (deb-cat) Skype a Debian 8.7 (amd64)

[Jordi Boixader]

vaig anar al web oficial d'Skype [1], llavors a descarregar Skype [2] i
llavors a Descargar Skype para Linux DEB [3]

i t'enviarà el fitxer: skypeforlinux-64.deb (veig que ara ja no es alfa,
l'antic era: skypeforlinux-64-alpha.deb) el que tinc jo instal·lat ara posa
"beta" versio 5.0.0.5

[1] https://www.skype.com/es/
[2] https://www.skype.com/es/download-skype/skype-for-computer/
[3] https://go.skype.com/linux.deb

Salut!

El dia 14 de març de 2017 a les 19:55, Narcis Garcia 
ha escrit:

> I d'on surt l'alfa aquest?
>
>
>
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
> administrator should fix this.
> El 14/03/17 a les 17:49, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
> > Jo faig servir Skype for Linux (alfa), crec que el vaig descarregar de
> > la pàgina oficial. Ja que l'altre Skype va deixar de funcionar. Altre
> > opció Skype web.
> >
> >
> > El dt., 14 març 2017 , 16:30, Narcis Garcia  > > va escriure:
> >
> > Porto ja unes quantes instal·lacions de sistema on no aconsegueixo
> > completar la instal·lació de Skype. Segueixo totes les indicacions
> > del Wiki:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/skype
> > Però sense èxit, tant a causa de les dependències (ara) irresolubles
> > (com libqtwebkit4:i386) com de la manca de libGL.so.1 també
> aparentment
> > irresoluble.
> >
> > Algú altre s'hi ha trobat i ho ha aconseguit en aquesta versió
> (stable
> > actualitzada) de Debian?
> >
> > Gràcies.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > __
> > I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> > masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
> > administrator should fix this.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Correu enviat des del mòbil,  perdoneu la brevetat.
> >
> > http://jordi.boixader.com
> >
>
>

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

[Miles Fidelman]

On 3/14/17 10:54 AM, Glenn English wrote:


On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Dan Purgert  wrote:

David Christensen wrote:

On 03/11/2017 07:10 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I've vague ideas of what backup pattern(s) I might follow.
I'm looking for reading materials that might trigger "I hadn't thought
of that" moments.

Suggestions?

I didn't see anybody talk about incremental backup (the backup
consists of current versions as well as earlier ones -- often earlier
work can replace erroneous or lost current work. Or work you don't
notice is gone for a few days.). There are 2 I know of, and one (and
probably many more) that may do that:



Adding two:

I've been using rdiff-backup for years - essentially it's time machine 
for linux.  There's a little helper routine called "backup ninja" and a 
gui (works in a text window) called ninjahelper.  It will do incremental 
backups across two machines, and knows how to set up jobs for mysql, 
postgress, and the entire file system.  It takes a little work to set up 
(server and client), and it's a bit tricky to do recoveries (command 
line rdiff-backup commands) - but it does the job very well.  It's great 
of recovering accidentally deleted files, and older versions of files.  
For full snapshots (e.g., crash recovery), I just use RAIDED disks, 
mirrored via DRBD to a failover machine.


If you're on a desktop machine, you might consider a cloud backup 
service.  I recommend CrashPlan - there's a linux client, it will back 
up to other machines (local and remote) for free, and there's a very 
reliable, and cheap cloud backup (particularly nice pricing for backing 
up all machines in a household, with unlimited storage).


I use the first approach on our production servers, the second for all 
the machines at home (mix of Mac, Windows, Linux).  My wife and I also 
run Time Machine on our Macbooks - there's a lot to be said for having 
backup that doesn't require having an external disk plugged in.


Miles Fidelman


--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Re: [OFF]Wifi sin Internet

[JAP]

El 14/03/17 a las 15:55, alparkom escribió:

Buenas,

Alguno sabe si es posible tener Wifi sin Internet? Lo que necesito es
basicamente la red interna.

Explico: tengo aplicaciones Web de Intranet y necesito conectar tablets
y otros dispositivos para que puedan ver dichas aplicaciones, pero no en
todas las oficinas donde se instalará se dispone de conexión a Internet
y contratar éstos servicios por la cantidad de oficinas que serán, es
mucho dinero que sinceramente no se utilizará fuera de la red interna.

Alguno tiene idea de como poder hacerlo?

Saludos,


No sos muy claro que digamos.

Si tienes un enrutador físico, lee su respectivo manual para bloquear la 
salida a Internet de los equipos de la red, o del segmento en cuestión.


Si tienen un Debian corriendo como enrutador, iptables es tu amigo.

No sé tu nivel de experiencia, proo... me parece que no es mucho.
Internet no te da servicio de red, lo hace el enrutador.
Y el enrutador es quien trabaja como puerta de acceso traduciendo todo 
lo de la red interna hacia afuera, por lo que deberías aprender a 
configurarlo.


JAP

[OFF]Wifi sin Internet

[alparkom]

Buenas,

Alguno sabe si es posible tener Wifi sin Internet? Lo que necesito es 
basicamente la red interna.


Explico: tengo aplicaciones Web de Intranet y necesito conectar tablets 
y otros dispositivos para que puedan ver dichas aplicaciones, pero no en 
todas las oficinas donde se instalará se dispone de conexión a Internet 
y contratar éstos servicios por la cantidad de oficinas que serán, es 
mucho dinero que sinceramente no se utilizará fuera de la red interna.


Alguno tiene idea de como poder hacerlo?

Saludos,

Re: (deb-cat) Skype a Debian 8.7 (amd64)

[Narcis Garcia]

I d'on surt l'alfa aquest?



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I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
administrator should fix this.
El 14/03/17 a les 17:49, Jordi Boixader ha escrit:
> Jo faig servir Skype for Linux (alfa), crec que el vaig descarregar de
> la pàgina oficial. Ja que l'altre Skype va deixar de funcionar. Altre
> opció Skype web.
> 
> 
> El dt., 14 març 2017 , 16:30, Narcis Garcia  > va escriure:
> 
> Porto ja unes quantes instal·lacions de sistema on no aconsegueixo
> completar la instal·lació de Skype. Segueixo totes les indicacions
> del Wiki:
> https://wiki.debian.org/skype
> Però sense èxit, tant a causa de les dependències (ara) irresolubles
> (com libqtwebkit4:i386) com de la manca de libGL.so.1 també aparentment
> irresoluble.
> 
> Algú altre s'hi ha trobat i ho ha aconseguit en aquesta versió (stable
> actualitzada) de Debian?
> 
> Gràcies.
> 
> --
> 
> 
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
> administrator should fix this.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Correu enviat des del mòbil,  perdoneu la brevetat.
> 
> http://jordi.boixader.com
> 

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Miles Fidelman]

On 3/14/17 4:37 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2017-03-13, Erwan David  wrote:

Le 03/13/17 à 20:40, Greg Wooledge a écrit :

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:30:11PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:

The Linux mantra has always been "choice," plethoras of choices. So why
at install time, is there no choice for the init system?  You get what
the developers decide. Yes, you can install a new one -- I've done it
and it works -- but only after the install.  It'd be a lot easier, if
there were a choice to begin with just like whether you want a GUI and
which one.

Because the number of people who want to run a new version of Debian with
an ancient and deprecated init system is probably in the triple digits,
worldwide.

You are a member of a small minority.  It's not reasonable to expect
that a whole bunch of time will be spent making install images with
alternative init systems for such a small demand.  You have a solution
which works just fine.


So why don't you use windows, if you despise minorities ?

Using Windows on a server or a phone would put you in a minority.


Your email is both insulting and contemptful. If this is your only
argument, that's bad for the point you pretend to denfend.

You are overreacting. Greg's point is that there is little demand for an
installer which allows a choice of init system, and that spending time
on providing such an installer would not be justified. You are welcome
to disagree with that assessment, but please leave out the emotional
codswallop.

There USED TO BE a lot of demand for a choice of installer at init time 
- from pretty much all of us who object to systemd.  Nobody listened, 
eventually people gave up, and a lot moved to other distros.


Miles Fidelman


--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

[Merlin Büge]

On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:10:54 -0600
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> I've been good about telling others that backups are a good idea.
> Guess who hadn't and then crashed his system and spent hours putting 
> things back together ;<
> 
> In the past individual projects ended up on individual flash drives
> as I was frequently using different machines. I now have some
> reliable hardware and a large internal hard drive.
> 
> I have one partition that might be called a "production" environment, 
> i.e. fairly stable and has the most valuable content.
> A second partition hosts my experiments - I've a project to create an 
> optimal install. The third is the target of those experimental
> installs whose content doesn't rate explicit backups. The scripts for
> creating those installs being on the second partition.
> 
> I've vague ideas of what backup pattern(s) I might follow.
> I'm looking for reading materials that might trigger "I hadn't
> thought of that" moments.
> 
> Suggestions?

There is a nice overview about different backup software in the Arch
Wiki:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Synchronization_and_backup_programs

Also an interesting read (about various pitfalls when backing up):

http://www.halfgaar.net/backing-up-unix


Regards,

Merlin



> TIA
> 
> 


-- 
Merlin Büge 

Re: radeon black screen

[Felix Miata]

Catherine Gramze composed on 2017-03-14 16:47 (UTC):


Note that I am not necessarily looking for a solution. I have a working 4K
system using the integrated graphics card. I most want to understand WHY
Jessie doesn't work with the radeon driver.


For that I have to suggest asking the specialists in the area rather than a 
group of mainly mere mortal users. e.g.:


http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-devel
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

[Dan Ritter]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 05:54:06PM +, Glenn English wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Dan Purgert  wrote:
> > David Christensen wrote:
> >> On 03/11/2017 07:10 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>> I've vague ideas of what backup pattern(s) I might follow.
> >>> I'm looking for reading materials that might trigger "I hadn't thought
> >>> of that" moments.
> >>>
> >>> Suggestions?
> 
> I didn't see anybody talk about incremental backup (the backup
> consists of current versions as well as earlier ones -- often earlier
> work can replace erroneous or lost current work. Or work you don't
> notice is gone for a few days.). There are 2 I know of, and one (and
> probably many more) that may do that:

Having been there and done that, I can assure you that having a
live snapshot system -- rsnapshot or btrfs/zfs native tools --
is more fun and less work for everyone.

As a bonus, they can all send snapshots to remote systems or
detachable media.


> It backs up to a single disk.
> It's GUI is kind of cutesy and a bit hard to use.
> It's Mac only.
> Macs change every few minutes. But I've been using it since it came
> out (one of the Leopards), and it's not changed, AFAIK.

On Macs, this is the way to go. But! You don't need to back up
to a single disk. You can back up to a Linux system running
AppleTalk, and those volumes can sit on RAID or ZFS or whatever
you want. Recommended.

[Amanda]

> It can be configured to use many different pieces of medium.
> It writes to tape or disk. I don't know if it does cloud.

You can pretend a remote server is a set of disks. I wouldn't.

> I've been using Amanda with tape for over a decade. No probs. Backing
> up and recovering. I've never had to do a bare metal restore, though.
> Nor have I ever tried to recover from one of its tarballs.

Not much fun. Especially compared to self-service or nearly
self-service from snapshots.

> I've been on Amanda and tape from the beginning, back in the dark
> ages, but I suspect it'd be happy to write to a handful of large(ish)
> thumb drives. Another way of getting an incremental backup is to
> mirror an entire system every day to a different device from a
> collection of removable media (like thumb drives). That'd be a problem
> for the likes of Google or Amazon, but might work well for a small
> system.

Thumb drives are terribly unreliable, but cheapish. Treat them
like tapes and never write over them, and assume that some
percentage will just die.

-dsr-

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

[Glenn English]

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Dan Purgert  wrote:
> David Christensen wrote:
>> On 03/11/2017 07:10 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> I've vague ideas of what backup pattern(s) I might follow.
>>> I'm looking for reading materials that might trigger "I hadn't thought
>>> of that" moments.
>>>
>>> Suggestions?

I didn't see anybody talk about incremental backup (the backup
consists of current versions as well as earlier ones -- often earlier
work can replace erroneous or lost current work. Or work you don't
notice is gone for a few days.). There are 2 I know of, and one (and
probably many more) that may do that:

Apple's TimeMachine

pros:
TM backs up forever -- you can recover (many) things from the day it started.
It backs up every few minutes without being told to.
It's smart about keeping recent files and tossing pretty old ones.
It's trivial to get going.

cons:
It backs up to a single disk.
It's GUI is kind of cutesy and a bit hard to use.
It's Mac only.
Macs change every few minutes. But I've been using it since it came
out (one of the Leopards), and it's not changed, AFAIK.

Amanda

pros:
It backs up using tar files so it's possible (but significant trouble)
to recover data when the Amanda server fails.
It can be configured to use many different pieces of medium.
It writes to tape or disk. I don't know if it does cloud.
It backs up an entire network.
It checks its output, if asked, after backup.
Cron can run it at 3:00 in the morning.

cons:
Configuration is pretty complex and time consuming.
There has to be an Amanda client on every host it's to back up.
There has to be an 'Amanda buffer disk' (from the tape days).
It's old -- no GUI. But it's solid as a rock.
Since there's no GUI, it takes a little thought and an instruction
book/man page to recover (it does me, anyway).
When a file has changed, it writes the entire file, not just the
changes (could be considered a pro).

Backula

I really don't know much about this one except that it writes using a
proprietary system. Or it did last time I looked (and rejected it for
that reason).


I've been using Amanda with tape for over a decade. No probs. Backing
up and recovering. I've never had to do a bare metal restore, though.
Nor have I ever tried to recover from one of its tarballs.

It's written in C, and beware, I've seen at least one goto in the
source (I've seen the source because it's Debian free -- I think
Backula is too).

I've been on Amanda and tape from the beginning, back in the dark
ages, but I suspect it'd be happy to write to a handful of large(ish)
thumb drives. Another way of getting an incremental backup is to
mirror an entire system every day to a different device from a
collection of removable media (like thumb drives). That'd be a problem
for the likes of Google or Amazon, but might work well for a small
system.

--
Glenn English

Re: configuration du courriel

[bernard . schoenacker]

- Mail original -
De: "bernard schoenacker" 
À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Mars 2017 17:56:31
Objet: configuration du courriel

bonjour,

j'ai un serveur nommé brotsch sur lequel je souhaiterai faire fonctionner le 
courriel ...

pour l'instant j'arrive à obtenir les courriels (pop) mais aucun moyen pour 
les envoyer 

brotsch à configurer en smtp (essai via mailx)


liste des erreurs : 

/var/log/mail.err

Mar 14 17:37:46 brotsch postfix/sendmail[14258]: fatal: bernard(1000): 
Recipient addresses must be specified on the command line or via the -t option


mailq
Mail queue is empty


essai avec mailx :

 mail "tot...@gmail.com" 
Subject: test avec mailx
 
bonjour,
 
ceci est un test fait avec mailx
 
slt
bernard
.
Cc: 
sendmail: fatal: bernard(1000): Recipient addresses must be specified on the 
command line or via the -t option
Échec de l'envoi de données à « /usr/sbin/sendmail » : Processus terminé avec 
un état de sortie non nul
impossible d'expédier le message : Processus terminé avec un état de sortie non 
nul


slt
bernard

bonjour,

j'ai ommis l'essentiel : (postfix) main.cf

slt
bernard


main.cf
Description: Binary data

Re: radeon black screen

[Catherine Gramze]

On Mar 14, 2017, at 12:35 AM, Felix Miata  wrote:

Something is defective, MSI's motherboard BIOS/firmware, Radeon's VBIOS,
hardware, display or some combination. If all acquired together, it ought to 
have been taken up with the vendors when new so that you would have had

some recourse. Maybe you still can. Do you have the latest motherboard
BIOS/firmware?

I agree that something is defective. I think it is the motherboard failing to 
switch to the PCI graphics card until booting is complete. The BIOS graphics 
options are extremely limited.  I can choose IGD or PGD. I do have version 1.b 
of the BIOS. It is a great suggestion, as many people never upgrade their BIOS, 
but I am not one of them.


In Wheezy I had 4K using either the Radeon or the integrated graphics. In
Jessie I can only use the integrated graphics.
Now that you have shared this tidbit we know that either your hardware has gone
bad between Wheezy and Jessie, or a software regression has occurred. If the
latter, it should have been reported as a bug so that it could be fixed. The
devs don't spend much time fixing what they don't know is broken. Stretch is
just about ready to go out the door, so it's probably already too late to expect
a report to result in a fix in Debian's "next" release.

Yes, something has regressed. The radeon and fglrx drivers both worked in 
Wheezy for my PCI card (but obviously not simultaneously).

I believe that is a different issue than the blank screen when booting. That 
has always been an issue, even in Wheezy.

But now it never boots through in Jessie, whether using the radeon driver or 
fglrx. The fglrx is a known issue with Gnome3. I don't understand why the 
radeon driver doesn't work. It worked in Wheezy, and went from 720 to 4K when I 
installed the firmware-Linux-nonfree package.

Note that I am not necessarily looking for a solution. I have a working 4K 
system using the integrated graphics card. I most want to understand WHY Jessie 
doesn't work with the radeon driver.

Re: .wav afspelen lukt niet

[Frans van Berckel]

On Tue, 2017-03-14 at 17:37 +0100, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> Bij een klant lukt het afspelen van wav-bestanden opeens niet meer.
> Ogg-bestanden spelen wel af, en youtube-video's geven ook geluid.
> 
> Het probleem speelt bij allerlei verschillende programma's (totem,
> alsaplayer, mplayer, vlc), ook converteren met audioconverter gaat
> niet. Er komen foutmeldingen als "stream not detected" (niet helemaal
> zeker meer). Volgens mij ligt het aan gstreamer.
> 
> Wat zou ik kunnen doen om dit probleem op te lossen?

Hoi Paul,

Gstreamer is een ingewikkelde library. Er zijn namelijk best veel
afhankelijkheden met encoders, decoders, etc etc. Dus dat er een keer
iets fout zou gaan zoals in deze neem ik gelijk van je aan.

Er is een cli toolset om de werking van Gstreamer te testen. Let wel,
misschien moet je een extra packages installeren. Debuggen kan ook.

# gst-launch-1.0 playbin uri=file:///path/to/file.wav

Met vriendelijke groet,


Frans van Berckel

configuration du courriel

[bernard . schoenacker]

bonjour,

j'ai un serveur nommé brotsch sur lequel je souhaiterai faire fonctionner le 
courriel ...

pour l'instant j'arrive à obtenir les courriels (pop) mais aucun moyen pour 
les envoyer 

brotsch à configurer en smtp (essai via mailx)


liste des erreurs : 

/var/log/mail.err

Mar 14 17:37:46 brotsch postfix/sendmail[14258]: fatal: bernard(1000): 
Recipient addresses must be specified on the command line or via the -t option


mailq
Mail queue is empty


essai avec mailx :

 mail "tot...@gmail.com" 
Subject: test avec mailx
 
bonjour,
 
ceci est un test fait avec mailx
 
slt
bernard
.
Cc: 
sendmail: fatal: bernard(1000): Recipient addresses must be specified on the 
command line or via the -t option
Échec de l'envoi de données à « /usr/sbin/sendmail » : Processus terminé avec 
un état de sortie non nul
impossible d'expédier le message : Processus terminé avec un état de sortie non 
nul


slt
bernard

Re: (deb-cat) Skype a Debian 8.7 (amd64)

[Jordi Boixader]

Jo faig servir Skype for Linux (alfa), crec que el vaig descarregar de la
pàgina oficial. Ja que l'altre Skype va deixar de funcionar. Altre opció
Skype web.

El dt., 14 març 2017 , 16:30, Narcis Garcia  va
escriure:

> Porto ja unes quantes instal·lacions de sistema on no aconsegueixo
> completar la instal·lació de Skype. Segueixo totes les indicacions del
> Wiki:
> https://wiki.debian.org/skype
> Però sense èxit, tant a causa de les dependències (ara) irresolubles
> (com libqtwebkit4:i386) com de la manca de libGL.so.1 també aparentment
> irresoluble.
>
> Algú altre s'hi ha trobat i ho ha aconseguit en aquesta versió (stable
> actualitzada) de Debian?
>
> Gràcies.
>
> --
>
>
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
> administrator should fix this.
>
> --

Correu enviat des del mòbil,  perdoneu la brevetat.

http://jordi.boixader.com

Re: [OFF TOPIC] Certificado SSL

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:30:52AM -0300, Henrique Fagundes wrote:
> Bom dia Daniel,
> 
> O certificado da Let's Encrypt não é Wildcard, tão pouco multidomínio.
> Infelizmente não serve.

Let's Encrypt de fato não suporta wildcard, mas suporta mais de um
domínio sim.


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Description: PGP signature

.wav afspelen lukt niet

[Paul van der Vlis]

Hallo,

Bij een klant lukt het afspelen van wav-bestanden opeens niet meer.
Ogg-bestanden spelen wel af, en youtube-video's geven ook geluid.

Het probleem speelt bij allerlei verschillende programma's (totem,
alsaplayer, mplayer, vlc), ook converteren met audioconverter gaat niet.
Er komen foutmeldingen als "stream not detected" (niet helemaal zeker
meer). Volgens mij ligt het aan gstreamer.

Wat zou ik kunnen doen om dit probleem op te lossen?

Groeten,
Paul


-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

after todays upgrade mouse closes current doc (tab)

[ivm41]

today's upgrade severely damaged my system. After it, the mouse became behaving 
randomly. Sometimes the left click opens a right click menu, sometimes it 
issues double-click, very often it closes the current document (tab, not a 
whole app). Noticed for all browsers, konsole, skype

uname -a
Linux iv-desktop 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 (2017-03-07) 
x86_64 GNU/Linux

lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.7 (jessie)
Release:8.7
Codename:   jessie

Re: New motherboard, no network

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 14/03/17 15:33, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 04:12:15PM +0100, Hans wrote:

Hi Tony,

# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"

# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"



You have twice the same entry, but one is pointing to eth0 and the second one
is naming the same as eth1. I suppose, one of it is the card from the old pc.


No, they're different.  The PCI ID comments are different (one ends
with 8169 and the other with 8168), the MAC addresses are different,
and the eth0/eth1 names are different.


What happens, if you delete the orphaned entry manually?

You can delte it, and rename the last entry to "eth0" (if this is our primary
card). I am sure, you will know, hich MAC is the active one.


I have doubts about that being a good idea.

I'm more concerned with the fact that apparently some command or other
(I don't remember if he told us what commands he ran) only showed eth0
and not eth1.

Original poster, please include the actual shell commands that you
run along with their output.  You should be running commands such as:

ifconfig -a
ip addr list
dmesg | grep eth

(Although for dmesg, we may need to see some context around the matching
lines, even just showing the grep output would be a good start.)




OK, thanks all for your help. It set me on the path to fixing the 
problem. I ended up deleting all the rules in 
udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, and rebooting. Both interfaces 
came up as desired, so I'm back on-line.
(I actually tried systemctlrestart networking.service before I rebooted, 
but that had no effect - wierd)


So, thanks again for the input.

--
Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org
Buckinghamshire, England |

Re: New motherboard, no network

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 04:12:15PM +0100, Hans wrote:
> Hi Tony, 
> > # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
> > SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> > ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> > ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
> > 
> > # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
> > SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> > ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> > ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"

> You have twice the same entry, but one is pointing to eth0 and the second one 
> is naming the same as eth1. I suppose, one of it is the card from the old pc.

No, they're different.  The PCI ID comments are different (one ends
with 8169 and the other with 8168), the MAC addresses are different,
and the eth0/eth1 names are different.

> What happens, if you delete the orphaned entry manually?
> 
> You can delte it, and rename the last entry to "eth0" (if this is our primary 
> card). I am sure, you will know, hich MAC is the active one.

I have doubts about that being a good idea.

I'm more concerned with the fact that apparently some command or other
(I don't remember if he told us what commands he ran) only showed eth0
and not eth1.

Original poster, please include the actual shell commands that you
run along with their output.  You should be running commands such as:

ifconfig -a
ip addr list
dmesg | grep eth

(Although for dmesg, we may need to see some context around the matching
lines, even just showing the grep output would be a good start.)

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(deb-cat) Skype a Debian 8.7 (amd64)

[Narcis Garcia]

Porto ja unes quantes instal·lacions de sistema on no aconsegueixo
completar la instal·lació de Skype. Segueixo totes les indicacions del Wiki:
https://wiki.debian.org/skype
Però sense èxit, tant a causa de les dependències (ara) irresolubles
(com libqtwebkit4:i386) com de la manca de libGL.so.1 també aparentment
irresoluble.

Algú altre s'hi ha trobat i ho ha aconseguit en aquesta versió (stable
actualitzada) de Debian?

Gràcies.

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Re: New motherboard, no network

[Hans]

Hi Tony, 
> /etc/udev/70-persistent-net.rules presumably contains the addresses for
> the old motherboard:
> 
> # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules
> # program, run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file.
> #
> # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single
> # line, and change only the value of the NAME= key.
> 
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
> 
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"
> 
> 
> 
> So, how do I get the network active?
> 
> Thanks,

You have twice the same entry, but one is pointing to eth0 and the second one 
is naming the same as eth1. I suppose, one of it is the card from the old pc.

What happens, if you delete the orphaned entry manually?

You can delte it, and rename the last entry to "eth0" (if this is our primary 
card). I am sure, you will know, hich MAC is the active one.

Good luck!

Hans 

Re: New motherboard, no network

[Dan Ritter]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 02:24:29PM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> After many years, my faithful ASUS motherboard died, so I've replaced it
> with a Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2. t booted up fine from my existing disk
> set into Jessie, but networking is inoperative. The board has an
> on-board network interface, plus an extra PCI network board. Neither
> seem to be working, although they are recognised by lspci -v:
> 
> ###
> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)
> Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Motherboard
> Kernel driver in use: r8169
> 
> 02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169 PCI
> Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
> Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169/8110 Family
> PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC
> Kernel driver in use: r8169
> ###
> 
> ifconfig only lists one board, which appears inactive:
> 
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76
>   inet addr:192.168.1.7  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>   UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
> 
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
> 
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"
> 
> 
> 
> So, how do I get the network active?

Step 1. Check the cabling.

Step 2. Check the link: mii-tool eth0 or ethtool eth0

You want to see something like this:
eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok

Step 3. Check your switch/hub/link partner to see if it also
recognizes the link

Step 4. Try eth1, as well. 

Step 5. Check for firewalling (iptables -L) or routing (ip r) 
anomalies.

-dsr-

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

[Richard Owlett]

On 03/13/2017 09:12 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 09:10:54AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

I have one partition that might be called a "production" environment, i.e.
fairly stable and has the most valuable content.
A second partition hosts my experiments - I've a project to create an
optimal install. The third is the target of those experimental installs
whose content doesn't rate explicit backups. The scripts for creating those
installs being on the second partition.

I've vague ideas of what backup pattern(s) I might follow.
I'm looking for reading materials that might trigger "I hadn't thought of
that" moments.


A quick overview:

Nobody wants backups. Everybody wants restores.

The questions are:

- what sort of disaster are you trying to recover from


Primarily operator error. This machine started out as a vehicle to 
experiment with Linux.  And latter as a test-bed for how *I* think a 
personal system should be configured. My old Windows box served for 
internet connectivity and playing Solitaire.


I've got a setup configured *my way* so the Windows box has been demoted 
to Solitaire - not having experimented with wine.




- how often do you expect each to happen


More frequently than I'll admit.



- how much time are you willing to take recovering


Time is not much of an issue as I'm retired and this is a hobby 
environment. But recently Pastor has asked be to administer the church's 
new website (hosted elsewhere) so there will be some files which it 
would be annoying to have to recreate.




- how much are you willing to spend


Minimal. I'm intending to use a physically local hard drive as the 
primary backup medium. For church related files, likely will be flash 
drives stored at the church.


From what I've been reading the local backup of my machine will likely 
be a weekly incremental backup. The backup for church will be file 
copies as it will also serve as a record for Pastor's use.

New motherboard, no network

[Tony van der Hoff]

After many years, my faithful ASUS motherboard died, so I've replaced it
with a Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2. t booted up fine from my existing disk
set into Jessie, but networking is inoperative. The board has an
on-board network interface, plus an extra PCI network board. Neither
seem to be working, although they are recognised by lspci -v:

###
01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Motherboard
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 74
I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
Memory at fea0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Memory at d080 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [70] Express Endpoint, MSI 01
Capabilities: [b0] MSI-X: Enable- Count=4 Masked-
Capabilities: [d0] Vital Product Data
Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel
Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number 01-00-00-00-68-4c-e0-00
Capabilities: [170] Latency Tolerance Reporting
Kernel driver in use: r8169

02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169 PCI
Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169/8110 Family
PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 20
I/O ports at d000 [size=256]
Memory at fe92 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Expansion ROM at fe90 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
Kernel driver in use: r8169
###

ifconfig only lists one board, which appears inactive:

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76
  inet addr:192.168.1.7  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
  RX packets:2124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:2124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:208935 (204.0 KiB)  TX bytes:208935 (204.0 KiB)



/etc/udev/70-persistent-net.rules presumably contains the addresses for
the old motherboard:

# This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules
# program, run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file.
#
# You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single
# line, and change only the value of the NAME= key.

# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"

# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"



So, how do I get the network active?

Thanks,
-- 
Tony van der Hoff  | mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org

Re: Pourquoi linux-headers-`uname r` échoue sur Stretch et pas sur Jessie ?

[Jean-Marc]

Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:29:57 +0100
Olivier  écrivait :

> # uname -r
> 4.8.0-2-686-pae
> 
> # apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
> Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet linux-headers-4.8.0-2-686-pae
> E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-headers-4.8.0-2-686-pae'
> E: Impossible de trouver de paquet correspondant à l'expression rationnelle
> « linux-headers-4.8.0-2-686-pae »

Je viens de faire une recherche sur le site de Debian et il n'existe plus que 2 
ou 3 paquets pour la version 4.8 et uniquement dans les backports de Jessie.

Donc, je pense que c'est normal que apt-get ne puisse pas installer un paquet 
qui n'existe plus.


Bien à toi,


Jean-Marc 


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Re: [OFF TOPIC] Certificado SSL

[Henrique Fagundes]

Bom dia Daniel,

O certificado da Let's Encrypt não é Wildcard, tão pouco multidomínio.
Infelizmente não serve.

Atenciosamente,

Henrique Fagundes
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Skype: magnata-br-rj
Linux User: 475399

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Em 14/03/2017 11:15, Daniel Lenharo de Souza escreveu:

Bom dia,

o certificado Let's Encrypt[1] não serve?

[1] https://letsencrypt.org/


Em 14-03-2017 10:58, Henrique Fagundes escreveu:

Colegas,

Bom dia!

Preciso de um certificado SLL Wildcard (curinga) que seja multi domínios. Ex:

*.dominio1.com.br
*.dominio2.com.br
*.dominio3.com.br
*.dominio4.com.br
*.dominio5.com.br

Alguém pode me recomendar algum com um bom custo-benefício?
Eu estava usando o da StartSSL.com, mas eles estão com problemas de confiança 
com a Google e a Mozilla, sendo assim, o Chrome e o Firefox não estão 
reconhecendo como confiável.

Desde já muito obrigado e desculpem pelo OFF TOPIC.

Atenciosamente,

Henrique Fagundes
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Skype: magnata-br-rj
Linux User: 475399

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Re: [OFF TOPIC] Certificado SSL

[Daniel Lenharo de Souza]

Bom dia,

o certificado Let's Encrypt[1] não serve?

[1] https://letsencrypt.org/


Em 14-03-2017 10:58, Henrique Fagundes escreveu:
> Colegas,
> 
> Bom dia!
> 
> Preciso de um certificado SLL Wildcard (curinga) que seja multi domínios. Ex:
> 
> *.dominio1.com.br
> *.dominio2.com.br
> *.dominio3.com.br
> *.dominio4.com.br
> *.dominio5.com.br
> 
> Alguém pode me recomendar algum com um bom custo-benefício?
> Eu estava usando o da StartSSL.com, mas eles estão com problemas de confiança 
> com a Google e a Mozilla, sendo assim, o Chrome e o Firefox não estão 
> reconhecendo como confiável.
> 
> Desde já muito obrigado e desculpem pelo OFF TOPIC.
> 
> Atenciosamente,
> 
> Henrique Fagundes
> henri...@linuxadmin.com.br
> Skype: magnata-br-rj
> Linux User: 475399
> 
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[OFF TOPIC] Certificado SSL

[Henrique Fagundes]

Colegas,

Bom dia!

Preciso de um certificado SLL Wildcard (curinga) que seja multi domínios. Ex:

*.dominio1.com.br
*.dominio2.com.br
*.dominio3.com.br
*.dominio4.com.br
*.dominio5.com.br

Alguém pode me recomendar algum com um bom custo-benefício?
Eu estava usando o da StartSSL.com, mas eles estão com problemas de confiança 
com a Google e a Mozilla, sendo assim, o Chrome e o Firefox não estão 
reconhecendo como confiável.

Desde já muito obrigado e desculpem pelo OFF TOPIC.

Atenciosamente,

Henrique Fagundes
henri...@linuxadmin.com.br
Skype: magnata-br-rj
Linux User: 475399

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http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux
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[SOLVED] Re: Kmail2 stores drafts in wrong folder

[Hans]

Hi Frederic,
> The draft folder is configured in the account settings.
> 
> In kmail menu, select Settings / Configure KMail…
> 
> Select the "Identities" section on the left side of the configuration
> window.
> 
> Select your account and click "Modify…".
> 
> Switch to the "Advanced" tab and change the path to the "Drafts folder".
>

thanks so much! That was an easy fix. I searched below ~/.kde/, but could not 
find it. So easy! Should have found it myself. Shame on me...
 
> Frederic

Thanks and best regards

Hans

Re: Kmail2 stores drafts in wrong folder

[Frédéric Marchal]

On Tuesday 14 March 2017 11:39:12 Hans wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I discovered a weired issue in kmail2.When I want to store a draft mail, it
> should be stored in the folder draft. But in real it stores in a folder, I
> creted new (a personal folder).
> 
> Is there a configuration file, where I can correct these?

The draft folder is configured in the account settings.

In kmail menu, select Settings / Configure KMail…

Select the "Identities" section on the left side of the configuration window.

Select your account and click "Modify…".

Switch to the "Advanced" tab and change the path to the "Drafts folder".

Frederic

Re: Pourquoi linux-headers-`uname r` échoue sur Stretch et pas sur Jessie ?

[Olivier]

Le 14 mars 2017 à 13:50, Jean-Marc  a écrit :

> Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:01:12 +0100
> Olivier  écrivait :
>
> > Bonjour,
>
> salut Olivier,
>
> >
> > Je prépare une machine sous stretch et la commande ci-après échoue.
> > apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
>
> C'est à dire ?  Quel est le message d'erreur ?
>

# uname -r
4.8.0-2-686-pae

# apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
E: Impossible de trouver le paquet linux-headers-4.8.0-2-686-pae
E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-headers-4.8.0-2-686-pae'
E: Impossible de trouver de paquet correspondant à l'expression rationnelle
« linux-headers-4.8.0-2-686-pae »

# apt-cache show linux-headers-4.8
N: Impossible de trouver le paquet linux-headers-4.8
N: Couldn't find any package by glob 'linux-headers-4.8'
N: Impossible de trouver de paquet correspondant à l'expression rationnelle
« linux-headers-4.8 »
E: Aucun paquet n'a été trouvé

# apt-cache show linux-headers-4.9
Package: linux-headers-4.9.0-2-686
Source: linux
Version: 4.9.13-1
Installed-Size: 4029
...






>
> >
> > J'ai extrait cette commande d'une recette trouvée sur Internet.
>
> Cette recette t'amène à faire un apt-get install des entêtes du kernel
> dont la version est la sortie de la commande  qui donne la
> release du noyau utilisé pour démarrer.
>
>
> > Son échec, sur une machine installée il y a 15 jours et mise à jour par
> > "apt-get upgrade" me conduit aux questions ci-après:
> >
> > 1.  La même commande réussit sur une autre machine sous Jessie.
> > Pour quelle raison cette différente ?
>
> On pourra donner une réponse quand on saura quel problème tu rencontres.
>
> >
> > 2. J'ai lu que la cible de Stretch est le kernel 4.9.
>
> Effectivement, 4.9 est la version Support Long Terme du noyau qui sera
> fournie avec Stretch.
>
> > Pourtant sur différentes machines testées ce mois, j'observe que le
> kernel
> > est 4.8.
> > Est-il exact que le passage de Stretch au noyau 4.9 est indépendant du
> > debian-installer ou bien y-a-t-il un couplage entre les 2 ?
>
> Il faut vérifier mais si Stretch partira avec un noyau 4.9, il serait
> étonnant que l'installeur soit basé sur un 4.8.
>
> >
> >
> > Slts
>
>
> Jean-Marc 
>

Re: Pourquoi linux-headers-`uname r` échoue sur Stretch et pas sur Jessie ?

[Jean-Marc]

Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:01:12 +0100
Olivier  écrivait :

> Bonjour,

salut Olivier,

> 
> Je prépare une machine sous stretch et la commande ci-après échoue.
> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`

C'est à dire ?  Quel est le message d'erreur ?

> 
> J'ai extrait cette commande d'une recette trouvée sur Internet.

Cette recette t'amène à faire un apt-get install des entêtes du kernel dont la 
version est la sortie de la commande  qui donne la release du noyau 
utilisé pour démarrer.


> Son échec, sur une machine installée il y a 15 jours et mise à jour par
> "apt-get upgrade" me conduit aux questions ci-après:
> 
> 1.  La même commande réussit sur une autre machine sous Jessie.
> Pour quelle raison cette différente ?

On pourra donner une réponse quand on saura quel problème tu rencontres.

> 
> 2. J'ai lu que la cible de Stretch est le kernel 4.9.

Effectivement, 4.9 est la version Support Long Terme du noyau qui sera fournie 
avec Stretch.

> Pourtant sur différentes machines testées ce mois, j'observe que le kernel
> est 4.8.
> Est-il exact que le passage de Stretch au noyau 4.9 est indépendant du
> debian-installer ou bien y-a-t-il un couplage entre les 2 ?

Il faut vérifier mais si Stretch partira avec un noyau 4.9, il serait étonnant 
que l'installeur soit basé sur un 4.8.

> 
> 
> Slts


Jean-Marc 


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Croatian keyboard

[Max Sievers]

I have an Acer Aspire One HAPPY-2DQuu with a croatian keyboard. After 
installation of stable the keyboard doesn't work properly. Some keys like 5 and 
9 don't work at all. This is the case wheter I select the generic 105 keys 
keyboard or the acer laptop keyboard and with all available croation option. 
How can I solve this? How can I read out how the actual device identifies 
itself?

Thanks in advance! 

Re: Black screen after "UEFI Installer menu"

[didier gaumet]

Le 14/03/2017 à 12:31, Kostiantyn Ponomarenko a écrit :
> I managed to install Debian on z240.

good news :-)

[...]
> Thought, I still wonder why Ubuntu works with "Legacy boot disabled
> and secure boot disabled" out of the box.

may be that has something to do with HP having a commercial agreement
with Canonical and a biased implementation of UEFI: on my HP laptop,
whatever I do, however I use efibootmgr, if I install Debian and want
Grub to be the bootloader, I have to rename /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft...

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Sven Hartge]

Martin Read  wrote:
> On 13/03/17 19:30, Patrick Bartek wrote:

>> The Linux mantra has always been "choice," plethoras of choices. So
>> why at install time, is there no choice for the init system?

> Looking at the BTS page for package 'debian-installer', nobody seems
> to have filed a wishlist bug requesting this feature.

> This seems like at least a contributory reason.

Besides there are already solutions with pre-seeding to install
sysv-init instead of systemd.

Those really wanting an installation medium with systemd can easily
modify the existing ones to do just that instead of requiring that the
Debian Developers do this for them.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before first partition

[The Wanderer]

On 2017-03-13 at 23:36, David Christensen wrote:

> On 03/13/2017 02:01 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 10:00:45PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:

>> and the destination ended up bigger, possibly because one or more
>> of the backups on the source had been using some kind of hardlink
>> de-dupe (I've ranted about hardlink trees being a problem in 
>> various backup topics on -user, too...) and I didn't think to
>> supply -S to rsync.
> 
> -S is for sparse files.
> 
> 
> Doing a quick test, it appears that rsync copies hard linked files as
> if each were a different file:



As already mentioned, you need the '-H' option to rsync for that. My
standard rsync invocation is with '-avPH', just in case the tree being
copied has any hardlinks.

(You may want to check whether the resulting files are hardlinked back
to the ones in the original tree; I haven't tested, and from reading the
man page it doesn't seem entirely clear.)

> Is anyone aware of a utility that can walk a file system and replace
>  identical files with hard links?

Try rdfind. It's in Debian; I don't use it myself, largely because the
(accepted upstream years ago) feature request for a "-minsize" option
(to replace or extend the "-ignoreempty" option) which I need for my use
case has not apparently been implemented yet - but finding duplicate
files is exactly what it's meant for, and one of its available "actions"
is to replace the duplicate files with hardlinks.

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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2017-03-13, Erwan David  wrote:
> Le 03/13/17 à 20:40, Greg Wooledge a écrit :
>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:30:11PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>> The Linux mantra has always been "choice," plethoras of choices. So why
>>> at install time, is there no choice for the init system?  You get what
>>> the developers decide. Yes, you can install a new one -- I've done it
>>> and it works -- but only after the install.  It'd be a lot easier, if
>>> there were a choice to begin with just like whether you want a GUI and
>>> which one.
>> 
>> Because the number of people who want to run a new version of Debian with
>> an ancient and deprecated init system is probably in the triple digits,
>> worldwide.
>> 
>> You are a member of a small minority.  It's not reasonable to expect
>> that a whole bunch of time will be spent making install images with
>> alternative init systems for such a small demand.  You have a solution
>> which works just fine.
>> 
>
> So why don't you use windows, if you despise minorities ?

Using Windows on a server or a phone would put you in a minority.

> Your email is both insulting and contemptful. If this is your only
> argument, that's bad for the point you pretend to denfend.

You are overreacting. Greg's point is that there is little demand for an
installer which allows a choice of init system, and that spending time
on providing such an installer would not be justified. You are welcome
to disagree with that assessment, but please leave out the emotional
codswallop.


-- 

Liam

Re: Black screen after "UEFI Installer menu"

[Kostiantyn Ponomarenko]

I managed to install Debian on z240.

There are next available option to choose from in my UEFI:
1. "Legacy boot enabled and secure boot disabled"
2. "Legacy boot disabled and secure boot disabled"
3. "Legacy boot disabled and secure boot enabled"

With v1.35 z240 firmware each option leads to these behavior:
1. Debian installation works, but firmware cannot find bootable file(?).
That means every boot you need to choose "boot from file" and point to
"grubx64.efi".

2. Black screen after "Debian UEFI Installation menu".

With v1.50 z240 firmware each option leads to these behavior:
1. Debian installation works, and it actually installs Debian in UEFI
mode (no problems with boot).
With installed Debian I switched to "Legacy boot disabled and secure
boot disabled" and in worked just fine.

2. Black screen after "Debian UEFI Installation menu".


Thought, I still wonder why Ubuntu works with "Legacy boot disabled
and secure boot disabled" out of the box.

Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

[Jan-Peter Rühmann]

I can´t understand this Discussion, as Normal user I even had not known that 
there are
more than one Init System (SystemV) and I don´t think that this should be 
chooseable. The
Installation is complicated enough dont make it more complex by adding choices 
which no
one understands.

By the way I am using Linux since 20Years. For me personally there is no 
Problem in
Installing another Init after Installation Therefore I don´t think it is needed 
as long
everything is running fine. I am using systemd and beeing perfectly happy with 
it had only
to do with it one time as I configured on access scan with clamd what is  not 
the most
important thing too I think.

Please end this Diskussion and get on with important things.

Am 13.03.2017 um 20:40 schrieb Patrick Bartek:
> The Linux mantra has always been "choice," plethoras of choices. So why
> at install time, is there no choice for the init system?  You get what
> the developers decide. Yes, you can install a new one -- I've done it
> and it works -- but only after the install.  It'd be a lot easier, if
> there were a choice to begin with just like whether you want a GUI and
> which one.
>
> Now, I know with LFS, you get to choose everything, etc.  But is a
> choice of init at install time so outrageous that no one ever
> considered it or is it technically unfeasible or something else.
>
> Just curious.
>
> B
Till then,

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Pourquoi linux-headers-`uname r` échoue sur Stretch et pas sur Jessie ?

[Olivier]

Bonjour,

Je prépare une machine sous stretch et la commande ci-après échoue.
apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`

J'ai extrait cette commande d'une recette trouvée sur Internet.
Son échec, sur une machine installée il y a 15 jours et mise à jour par
"apt-get upgrade" me conduit aux questions ci-après:

1.  La même commande réussit sur une autre machine sous Jessie.
Pour quelle raison cette différente ?

2. J'ai lu que la cible de Stretch est le kernel 4.9.
Pourtant sur différentes machines testées ce mois, j'observe que le kernel
est 4.8.
Est-il exact que le passage de Stretch au noyau 4.9 est indépendant du
debian-installer ou bien y-a-t-il un couplage entre les 2 ?


Slts

Kmail2 stores drafts in wrong folder

[Hans]

Hi folks,

I discovered a weired issue in kmail2.When I want to store a draft mail, it 
should be stored in the folder draft. But in real it stores in a folder, I 
creted new (a personal folder).

Is there a configuration file, where I can correct these?

Background: Alle mails are stored in ~/Mail. This folder was completely 
deleted and copied from another computer to this one (as I wanted to have all 
mails on every computer). I used rsync for that. This is working with several 
other computers, too. Only on this one I do have this issue.

Any ideas? Is this maybe related to akonadiserver?

Thanks for any help.

Best

Hans

Re: MBR partitioning, and content after partition table but before first partition

[David]

On 14 March 2017 at 14:36, David Christensen  wrote:
>
> Doing a quick test, it appears that rsync copies hard linked files as if
> each were a different file:
>
> rsync -a hard-link-1/ hard-link-2

Here, 'man rsync' says:
"Note that -a does not preserve hardlinks, because finding
multiply-linked files is expensive.  You must separately specify -H."

Re: outil de monitoring

[Francois Lafont]

On 03/13/2017 03:10 PM, Jean-Michel OLTRA wrote:

> Problèmes en série pour l'installation sur Jessie : python-requests, erreur
> unicode au lancement de alignak-webui. J'abandonne cette piste. Il faudrait
> y revenir sur Stretch.

Ah mince alors. Comme je disais, je n'ai pas encore testé. Donc désolé.
C'est un produit encore jeune mais personnellement, j'insisterai un peu
à ta place. Si tu as des soucis, n'hésite pas à les faire remonter aux
devs etc. Je suis sûr qu'ils seront très réactifs. Bon, maintenant je
peux comprendre que tu n'aies pas l'envie (ni le temps) de passer par
cette phase là.

-- 
François Lafont

Re: outil de monitoring

[Raphaël RIGNIER]

Bonjour,

La dernière mouture de Centreon, m'a permit à l'aide des bonnes vielles 
commandes à base de snmp, de déclarer en quelques clics une 10aines de 
switchs procurve avec graph des bandes passantes interfaces.


On peut dire que l'interface a fait de gros progrès, toujours avec 
nagios et la foule de plugins dispos en dessous.


Raphaël


Le 13/03/2017 à 01:20, Francois Lafont a écrit :

(Désolé Jean-Michel je t'ai répondu en privé par erreur,
voici mon message mais sur la liste de diffusion cette fois.)

Bonsoir,

On 03/12/2017 11:59 PM, Jean-Michel OLTRA wrote:
  

Je cherche un nouvel outil de monitoring réseau.

Dans une autre vie, j'ai utilisé Nagios/Centreon. Puis Shinken.

Je viens de remettre en place la version actuelle de Shinken sur une Jessie
(le tarball, pas le paquet de Jessie).
Ça ne fonctionne pas, et Shinken semble au minimum en stand by.

Il me faudrait mettre en place autre chose. J'ai vu Zabbix et Icinga
empaquetés. OpenNMS Horizon (non empaqueté).

Des avis à me proposer sur ces outils ? Sur d'autres qui feraient un boulot
identique ?

Perso, j'utilisais et j'utilise encore Shinken mais sur de la
« vieille » Wheezy. Mais la prochaine fois qu'il faudra que je
remette tout ça à jour (quand j'aurai le temps), c'est sans
aucun doute vers Alignak que je m'orienterai :

 
https://github.com/Alignak-monitoring/alignak#presentation-of-the-alignak-project

C'est ni plus ni moins un fork de Shinken où l'accent a été mis
sur la qualité du code (tests unitaires etc). Bon, je n'ai jamais
testé pour l'instant (faute de temps) mais le projet me semble
vraiment actif et très prometteur.

Re: Oom-killer zonder geheugengebrek

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 13-03-17 om 22:22 schreef Geert Stappers:

> En ook op andere tijdstippen dan 07:37?
> Eigenlijk: Komt het vaker voor, was dit de enige?

Het is in elk geval al eens eerder gebeurd, dat was op 1 maart om 22:51.
Dus andere dag van de week, en ander tijdstip. De eerste melding was
toen: "rsync invoked oom-killer". Ook toen geen swap gebruik.
Verder zie ik in de logs geen oom-killer.

Het gaat om een oud 32-bits systeem wat af en toe spontaan reboote, ik
heb er eind vorig jaar een nogal nieuw Skylake moederbord in gezet.
https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C236_C232/X11SSM-F.cfm
 Ik gebruik Jessie met het kernel uit backports.

Groeten,
Paul.



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