Re: Problème avec un Lenovo Thinkpad 15v gen1

2021-09-26 Thread Basile Starynkevitch



On 26/09/2021 21:11, Nicolas FRANCOIS wrote:

Bonsoir.

Mon lycée m'a confié la bête sus-mentionnée. J'ai un gros problème avec
cette bestiole, initialement fournie avec Window$ 10 : son écran. C'est
un écran UHD, de résolution 3840*2160 (ils sont cinglés de mettre un
tel écran, ça sert à RIEN sur un écran de 15.6" !!!).



Je suis en désaccord. Avec de bon yeux et pour certaines applications 
graphiques (par exemple la CAO ou le dessin), une haute résolution est 
utile.




Résultat : avec XFCE, tout est MICROSCOPIQUE :-( Et je n'ai pas trouvé
de solutions tout à fait satisfaisantes sur le net. J'ai réussi à
forcer Grub à se lancer avec une police et une résolution correctes,
mais le bureau XFCE reste quasiment illisible. Si je modifie certains
réglages dans les paramètres (DPI, taille des polices système), cela
change certaines choses, mais pas tout, donc c'est pas utilisable tel
quel.

Certains d'entre vous ont-ils réussi à rendre ce portable utilisable ?
Si oui, vos lumières sont les bienvenues, et ma gratitude éternelle
promise ;-)




Est-ce que ce portable boote sans système graphique (ni X11, ni Wayland)?

On peut essayer par exemple d'enfoncer Alt+Ctrl+F3 (ou bien F4 ou F5 ou 
F6 au lieu de F3).


Avec de la chance, on a alors une interface en ligne de commande et 
probablement une police petite mais lisible



--
Basile Starynkevitch  
(only mine opinions / les opinions sont miennes uniquement)
92340 Bourg-la-Reine, France
web page: starynkevitch.net/Basile/



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 10:32:52PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> 
> On 9/26/21 1:18 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:08:21PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> > > I did a fresh install, and apparently "ncal" wasn't installed by default.
> > "apt-cache showpkg ncal" tells me that only bsdmainutils depends on it.
> > "apt-cache showpkg bsdmainutils" gives me a fairly significant list of
> > packages that depend on bsdmainutils, including man-db.
> > 
> > So, I guess you did a VERY minimal install.  man-db is a "standard"
> > package, so it should have been included in any reasonable installation.
> > 
> > If you do an utterly bare installation, not even including Standard,
> > you should expect to have a bunch of stuff missing.
> > 
> Nope. Did a full install with a variety of "tasks". The man-db package is
> installed, and I didn't manually install it.

Oh, looking closer:

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show man-db | grep Depends
Depends: bsdextrautils | bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.1~), [...]

So, man-db only depends on bsdmainutils as an alternative.  That means
the output of "apt-cache showpkg bsdmainutils" is a bit confusing, as
is the output of "apt-cache depends man-db".

Such silly tools.



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Paul M. Foster



On 9/26/21 1:18 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:08:21PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:

I did a fresh install, and apparently "ncal" wasn't installed by default.

"apt-cache showpkg ncal" tells me that only bsdmainutils depends on it.
"apt-cache showpkg bsdmainutils" gives me a fairly significant list of
packages that depend on bsdmainutils, including man-db.

So, I guess you did a VERY minimal install.  man-db is a "standard"
package, so it should have been included in any reasonable installation.

If you do an utterly bare installation, not even including Standard,
you should expect to have a bunch of stuff missing.

Nope. Did a full install with a variety of "tasks". The man-db package 
is installed, and I didn't manually install it.


Paul




silence audio on locked screen?

2021-09-26 Thread Richard Hector

Hi all,

I'm using buster with xfce4, pulseaudio, and (I think) light-locker.

When I lock my screen, audio continues to play (and system sounds are 
still heard).


This seems to me like a way to leak information, and is also annoying to 
anyone nearby. It's then annoying for me when I discover somebody has 
unplugged my headphones to make them shut up :-)


Any suggestions for making it be quiet? Perhaps a wishlist bug for 
light-locker? I don't know if it's even feasible, given the various 
combinations of audio system and screen lockers.


Cheers,
Richard



Re: Comienzos en el proyecto debian como programador Jr

2021-09-26 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 10:13:01PM +, Maicon wrote:
>Buenos dias a todos un saludo desde Colombia,
> 
>Soy miembro de la comunidad y fiel usuario de Debian desde hace un poco
>mas de 15 años. En cierta forma le debo todo a este sistema porque las
>herramientas que logre aprender a configurar y manipular me han ayudado
>enormemente para obtener muy buenos empleos en un pais donde los salarios
>y las condiciones laborales en su mayoria son algo precarias y por ende
>esto me ha permitido tener una mejor calidad de vida trabajando como
>sysadmin y como ing de seguridad de redes.
> 
>Desde hace unos 2 años estoy incursionando en el mundo de la programación
>y he logrado aprender algunos lenguajes pero aun me considero un Novato,
>sin embargo considero que tengo buenas habilidades para comenzar de alguna
>forma a retribuir a la comunidad escribiendo código, he estado leyendo la
>documentación oficial del proceso pero no es muy clara a mi modo de ver,
>por lo que me dirijo a ustedes si me pueden dar indicaciones de como
>comenzar.
> 
>Los lenguajes de los que tengo dominio en el momento son: Python, JS, SQL,
>ademas tengo conocimiento en HTML y CSS.
> 
>Un abrazo y gracias de antemano por sus respuestas.
> 
Mucho depende en si prefieres trabajar, por ejemplo, en la
infrastructura de Debian (los sitios de web, programas, y otros
servicios que apoyan los usuarios y dearrolladores de Debian), o si
prefieres trabajar en otra parte.  Quizás hay programas que te han
ayudado en particular y a los cuales te interesa contribuir
directamente.

Si te interesa mejor la infrastructura, entonces lo conveniente será
encontrarte el equipo que se hace responsable por los componentes
infrastructurales en los cuales quieres trabajar.  Si te interesa mejor
algunos programas específicos, que no necesariamente son parte de la
infrastructura de Debian, entonces lo conveniente es contactarte con el
proyecto que desarrolla ese programa y averiguar como puedes
involucrarte en ese proyecto.

Saludos,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez



Comienzos en el proyecto debian como programador Jr

2021-09-26 Thread Maicon
Buenos dias a todos un saludo desde Colombia,

Soy miembro de la comunidad y fiel usuario de Debian desde hace un poco mas de 
15 años. En cierta forma le debo todo a este sistema porque las herramientas 
que logre aprender a configurar y manipular me han ayudado enormemente para 
obtener muy buenos empleos en un pais donde los salarios y las condiciones 
laborales en su mayoria son algo precarias y por ende esto me ha permitido 
tener una mejor calidad de vida trabajando como sysadmin y como ing de 
seguridad de redes.

Desde hace unos 2 años estoy incursionando en el mundo de la programación y he 
logrado aprender algunos lenguajes pero aun me considero un Novato, sin embargo 
considero que tengo buenas habilidades para comenzar de alguna forma a 
retribuir a la comunidad escribiendo código, he estado leyendo la documentación 
oficial del proceso pero no es muy clara a mi modo de ver, por lo que me dirijo 
a ustedes si me pueden dar indicaciones de como comenzar.

Los lenguajes de los que tengo dominio en el momento son: Python, JS, SQL, 
ademas tengo conocimiento en HTML y CSS.

Un abrazo y gracias de antemano por sus respuestas.

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Re : Re: Comment cumuler le débit de téléchargement sur une connexion ADSL + 4G ?

2021-09-26 Thread benoit
Merci pour vos réponses.

Je n’ai pas les compétences, mais je vais potasser ça à mon aise.
J’aurai sûrement d’autres questions à poser.
Un tout grand merci,
–
Benoit

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Le vendredi 24 septembre 2021 à 17:54, hamster  a écrit :

> Le 24/09/2021 à 17:03, BERTRAND Joël a écrit :
>
> > benoit a écrit :
> >
> > > Bonjour à toutes et tous,
> > >
> > > J’ai une connexion ADSL illimitée, mais lente.
> > >
> > > Quand j’introduis ma clé 4G dans l’USB, network-manager la détecte et
> > >
> > > configure une deuxième connexion internet.
> > >
> > > Le téléchargement se fait sur l’une OU l’autre connexion.
> > >
> > > Serait-il possible de cumuler la bande passante des deux, pour n’en
> > >
> > > faire qu’une plus rapide ?
> > >
> > > Merci d'avance,
> >
> > Bonsoir,
> >
> > C'est possible en faisant du round-robin de manière intelligente sur
> >
> > deux ou plusieurs interfaces. Mais il faut soit que tu aies ta propre
> >
> > machine en face pour accéder à internet, soit que tu aies un FAI gentil
> >
> > qui propose le service (je n'en connais plus).
>
> FDN ou un autre FAI de la fédération FDN :
>
> https://www.fdn.fr/
>
> https://www.ffdn.org/fr/membres



[solved] `wget' web site

2021-09-26 Thread Rodolfo Medina
>> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 5:18 AM Rodolfo Medina 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all.
>> >
>> > I manage to download an entire website, say www.mysite.com, with simply
>> >
>> >  $ wget -r -l 0 www.mysite.com
>> >
>> > After that, I can surf that web site offline with all its internal links.
>> > Perfect.
>> >
>> > Now the problem comes when I want to copy that stuff into my Android tablet
>> > and
>> > read it offline too.  Then the links do not work any more.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions?


The solution I found is all within Android operating system and is called
OffLine Browser.  I'm still testing it, but it seems to work fine in both
downloading a whole web site and then, offline, properly surf it with all its
links.

Thanks for your help,

Rodolfo



Re: `wget' web site

2021-09-26 Thread Rodolfo Medina
>> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 5:18 AM Rodolfo Medina 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all.
>> >
>> > I manage to download an entire website, say www.mysite.com, with simply
>> >
>> >  $ wget -r -l 0 www.mysite.com
>> >
>> > After that, I can surf that web site offline with all its internal links.
>> > Perfect.
>> >
>> > Now the problem comes when I want to copy that stuff into my Android
>> > tablet and read it offline too.  Then the links do not work any more.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions?


The solution I found is all within Android operating system and is called
OffLine Browser.  I'm still testing it, but it seems to work fine in both
downloading a whole web site and then, offline, properly surf it with all its
links.

Thanks for your help,

Rodolfo



Re: Problème avec un Lenovo Thinkpad 15v gen1

2021-09-26 Thread NoSpam

Bonsoir

Le 26/09/2021 à 21:11, Nicolas FRANCOIS a écrit :

Bonsoir.

Mon lycée m'a confié la bête sus-mentionnée. J'ai un gros problème avec
cette bestiole, initialement fournie avec Window$ 10 : son écran. C'est
un écran UHD, de résolution 3840*2160 (ils sont cinglés de mettre un
tel écran, ça sert à RIEN sur un écran de 15.6" !!!).

Résultat : avec XFCE, tout est MICROSCOPIQUE :-( Et je n'ai pas trouvé
de solutions tout à fait satisfaisantes sur le net. J'ai réussi à
forcer Grub à se lancer avec une police et une résolution correctes,
mais le bureau XFCE reste quasiment illisible. Si je modifie certains
réglages dans les paramètres (DPI, taille des polices système), cela
change certaines choses, mais pas tout, donc c'est pas utilisable tel
quel.

Certains d'entre vous ont-ils réussi à rendre ce portable utilisable ?
Si oui, vos lumières sont les bienvenues, et ma gratitude éternelle
promise ;-)


J'ai cette résolution sur mon portable at ai réglé dans les paramètres 
écran (Ubuntu 20) l'échelle à 300%. Une autre solution testée qui me 
convenanit moins était de jouer avec l'accès universel => grand texte & zoom


--
Daniel



Problème avec un Lenovo Thinkpad 15v gen1

2021-09-26 Thread Nicolas FRANCOIS
Bonsoir.

Mon lycée m'a confié la bête sus-mentionnée. J'ai un gros problème avec
cette bestiole, initialement fournie avec Window$ 10 : son écran. C'est
un écran UHD, de résolution 3840*2160 (ils sont cinglés de mettre un
tel écran, ça sert à RIEN sur un écran de 15.6" !!!).

Résultat : avec XFCE, tout est MICROSCOPIQUE :-( Et je n'ai pas trouvé
de solutions tout à fait satisfaisantes sur le net. J'ai réussi à
forcer Grub à se lancer avec une police et une résolution correctes,
mais le bureau XFCE reste quasiment illisible. Si je modifie certains
réglages dans les paramètres (DPI, taille des polices système), cela
change certaines choses, mais pas tout, donc c'est pas utilisable tel
quel.

Certains d'entre vous ont-ils réussi à rendre ce portable utilisable ?
Si oui, vos lumières sont les bienvenues, et ma gratitude éternelle
promise ;-)

\bye

-- 

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http://nicolas.francois.free.fr   | |__|
  X--/\\
We are the Micro$oft.   _\_V
Resistance is futile.   
You will be assimilated. darthvader penguin



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:08:21PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> 
> On 9/26/21 8:37 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:24:59AM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> > > I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to be a
> > > command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to the
> > > screen. It would do other calendars, depending on command line parameters.
> > > Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor a package
> > > containing it.
> > unicorn:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
> > 11.0
> > unicorn:~$ type cal
> > cal is hashed (/usr/bin/cal)
> > unicorn:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/cal
> > ncal: /usr/bin/cal
> > unicorn:~$ apt-cache show ncal | head -n14
> > Package: ncal
> > Source: bsdmainutils
> > Version: 12.1.7+nmu3
> > Installed-Size: 68
> > Maintainer: Debian Bsdmainutils Team 
> > Architecture: amd64
> > Replaces: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
> > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libtinfo6 (>= 6)
> > Breaks: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
> > Description-en: display a calendar and the date of Easter
> >   This package contains the "ncal" program and the traditional "cal"
> >   program, both are commonly found on BSD-style systems. This utility 
> > displays a
> >   simple calendar in a traditional or an alternative and more advanced 
> > layout,
> >   and the date of Easter.
> > 
> > 
> > If you "moved to bullseye" by performing an upgrade, you should still
> > have this command.  If you "moved" by wiping the system and installing
> > bullseye from scratch, then I guess you just have to install the ncal
> > package manually.
> > 
> I did a fresh install, and apparently "ncal" wasn't installed by default.
> 
> Paul
> 

See also, perhaps, package gcal which I'm guessing is GNU cal

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater



Re: upgrading and stuff

2021-09-26 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:03:26PM -0400, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
> On Saturday 25 September 2021 06:36:34 pm Dan Ritter wrote:
> > If the system will not let you login as root from the graphical
> > display manager, it's the GDM's fault. It may be a configurable
> > option in its /etc/whateverdm. If not, you can always replace a
> > recalcitrant GDM with original xdm, which doesn't care so much.
>  
> That appears to be the problem.  GDM?  What do I need to be looking at here?
> 
It's not a problem as such: it's the safe default.It's in the /etc/gdm3
settings.

Follow the clues form the blog below:

https://economictheoryblog.com/2015/11/08/how-to-enable-gui-root-login-in-debian-8/

Edit /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf and add 

AllowRoot=true under [security]

Then edit /etc/pam.d/gdm-password and comment out (with a #) the line

auth required pam_succeed_if.so.user != root quiet_success

This may help but is desperately insecure. You're an experienced user so
this is an informed choice that you choose to make for your system.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
> 
> -- 
> Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
> ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
> be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
> -
> Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
> M Dakin
> 



Re: upgrading and stuff

2021-09-26 Thread Brian
On Sun 26 Sep 2021 at 13:03:26 -0400, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:

> On Saturday 25 September 2021 06:36:34 pm Dan Ritter wrote:
> > If the system will not let you login as root from the graphical
> > display manager, it's the GDM's fault. It may be a configurable
> > option in its /etc/whateverdm. If not, you can always replace a
> > recalcitrant GDM with original xdm, which doesn't care so much.
>  
> That appears to be the problem.  GDM? 

Was this conclusion the result of extensive testing? Or did you base
the opinion on what you got fron installing the gutfeeling package? :)

>What do I need to be looking at here?

xserver-xorg-legacy?

-- 
Brian.



Re: upgrading and stuff

2021-09-26 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 12:48:37PM -0400, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:

Hi Roy,

> On Saturday 25 September 2021 06:08:23 pm Andy Smith wrote:
> > The release of the three newer stable versions of Debian seems to have 
> > happened without you noticing. 
> 
> Life has handed me a whole mess of things to deal with over the past year or 
> two...
> 
Sorry to hear that: I hope it gets better

> > If you remain subscribed to this mailing list then you will surely read 
> > here about the release of
> > Debian 12 (bookworm), but if you want a very low traffic announcements feed 
> > then you could subscribe to the debian-announce
> > list instead:
> > 
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/
> > 
> > It's only received 6 emails so far this year:
> > 
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2021/threads.html
> 
> I *do* have that list flowing in here,  along with Debian News and Debian 
> Security.  I guess I need to give it some more attention?
>  
> > > consulted the release notes about how one might go about upgrading,  and 
> > > from the latest on back each one says something to
> > > the effect of only being able to upgrade from the last major version,  so 
> > > if there's a good way to do this whole thing at once
> > > I'd sure like to hear about it.
> > 
> > Yes, upgrades are only supported from one release to another, so if you 
> > wish to upgrade this machine you're going to have to consult the
> > release notes for Debian 9 about upgrading from 8.x to 9.x, and then the 
> > release notes for Debian 10, and so on until you are at Debian
> > 11.x.
> 
> I have multiple tabs open in my browser to just those things.
>  
> > It's not supported to go directly from 8 to 11 (or even from 8 to 10) and 
> > trying to do so will probably end in failure.
> > 
> > Or you could just reinstall and then put your data files back in
> > place from your backups. That may be quicker.
> 
> Maybe,  but I'm not sure that I want to go there at the moment.

>From 8 to 9 should be do-able. So Jessie -> Stretch.
Stretch is still (just about) in support at the moment so follow through
the release notes carefully. I'd strongly suggest making notes of 
all the major services you run and any configs you know you've changed.

Work through that one, then do the same for 9 -> 10 - Stretch -> Buster.
At that point, there are several changes that have happened. There will be
another point release for Buster shortly, if all goes well.

LILO is no longer supported in Bullseye, if I remember rightly, so that might
be a problem for moving further until Buster is sorted (at which point you
should be able to move forward if you wish).

If we can help on this list, don't hesitate, just ask. Similar questions
have been asked over the last couple of months so you might also want to 
just take a quick look tthrough the archives from July onwards - Debian
11 was released on 14th July 2021.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

>  
> > > The only thing that works there is to log in as a regular user, and then 
> > > use the su command to get there.  A bit of a pain.  Where
> > > in the software is this controlled?  I really would like to change this 
> > > behavior,  if at all possible.
> > 
> > I am not aware of any modern desktop environment that allows to log in and 
> > run the entire GUI as root, for reasons you said you didn't
> > want to hear about. Someone else may be able to suggest some alternate 
> > desktop environment that allows this.
>  
> Well,  I guess we'll see what turns up in the messages then.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
> ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
> be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
> -
> Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
> M Dakin
> 



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:08:21PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> I did a fresh install, and apparently "ncal" wasn't installed by default.

"apt-cache showpkg ncal" tells me that only bsdmainutils depends on it.
"apt-cache showpkg bsdmainutils" gives me a fairly significant list of
packages that depend on bsdmainutils, including man-db.

So, I guess you did a VERY minimal install.  man-db is a "standard"
package, so it should have been included in any reasonable installation.

If you do an utterly bare installation, not even including Standard,
you should expect to have a bunch of stuff missing.



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Paul M. Foster



On 9/26/21 2:57 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

Jeremy Ardley wrote:

As I recall, there used to be a
command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to the
screen. [...]
Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor
a package containing it.

It is in the package ncal which obviously was newly introduced as binary
package of source package bsdmainutils
   https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/amd64/ncal/filelist
   https://packages.debian.org/source/bullseye/bsdmainutils

In buster there was only one binary package derived from that source:
   https://packages.debian.org/source/buster/bsdmainutils
   https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/bsdmainutils/filelist


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


Excellent. Thanks for the info. That answers the question.

Paul



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Paul M. Foster



On 9/26/21 8:37 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:24:59AM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:

I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to be a
command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to the
screen. It would do other calendars, depending on command line parameters.
Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor a package
containing it.

unicorn:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
11.0
unicorn:~$ type cal
cal is hashed (/usr/bin/cal)
unicorn:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/cal
ncal: /usr/bin/cal
unicorn:~$ apt-cache show ncal | head -n14
Package: ncal
Source: bsdmainutils
Version: 12.1.7+nmu3
Installed-Size: 68
Maintainer: Debian Bsdmainutils Team 
Architecture: amd64
Replaces: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libtinfo6 (>= 6)
Breaks: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
Description-en: display a calendar and the date of Easter
  This package contains the "ncal" program and the traditional "cal"
  program, both are commonly found on BSD-style systems. This utility displays a
  simple calendar in a traditional or an alternative and more advanced layout,
  and the date of Easter.


If you "moved to bullseye" by performing an upgrade, you should still
have this command.  If you "moved" by wiping the system and installing
bullseye from scratch, then I guess you just have to install the ncal
package manually.


I did a fresh install, and apparently "ncal" wasn't installed by default.

Paul



Re: Bug a la instal·lació de postgresql?

2021-09-26 Thread Julio Amorós
Hola,
molt interessant la conversa, com sempre.
Tens raó Àlex, això forma part d'una configuració extra que afegim (la
línia comentada del pam) per tant efectivament si algú té curiositat ... :)
I Toni, el problema amb Kerberos, és que si no fas un kdestroy o l'elimines
manualment de /tmp dura no se quantes hores i per tant amb l'ordre que hem
esmentat pots fer ...
Potser això també és configurable per a que quan un usuari tanqui la seva
darrera sessió s'elimini aquest ticket ¿?
De fet pensàvem provar-ho manualment a alguns ordinadors posant-ho al
logout (si nomes hi ha una sessió d'aquest usuari  => kdestroy) però vaja
...
Merci,
Julio

Missatge de Toni Mas Soler  del dia ds., 25 de
set. 2021 a les 21:26:

> Al man su/man runuser hi fa alguna referència. Però no entenc el motiu
> perquè és un forat de seguretat si s'usa kerberos (NOTA: jo no faig servir
> kerberos).
>
> Toni Mas
> GPG 3F42A21D84D7E950
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> El dissabte, 25 de setembre 2021 a les 21:00, Eloi 
> va escriure:
>
> > El 25/9/21 a les 11:06, Alex Muntada ha escrit:
> >
> > > Hola, Eloi
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > Una de les recomanacions que vaig llegir aleshores era usar la
> > > >
> > > > comanda "runuser" quan qui l'executa ja és root, doncs desescala
> > > >
> > > > a qualsevol usuari sense demanar autenticació mentre que la
> > > >
> > > > resta d'usuaris no la poden executar.
> > > >
> > > > Això no recordo haver-ho llegit però ho acabo de provar i
> > > >
> > > > funciona bé: no demana contrasenya encara que comenti l'entrada
> > > >
> > > > del pam_rootok al /etc/pam.d/runuser.
> >
> > Això és que em faig vell i/o no menjo prou cues de pansa :-)
> >
> > Jo tampoc he trobat el que recordo haver llegit, segurament deuria ser
> >
> > una font de tercers, que em deuria enganxar documentant-me i al final he
> >
> > acabat confonent els orígens. L'única referència explícita que he estat
> >
> > capaç de trobar amb DDG (DuckDuckGo, no Diari De Girona :-D) dins
> >
> > debian.org és la següent, que no és el que recordo haver llegit però que
> >
> > igualment apunta en la mateixa direcció:
> >
> > https://bugs.debian.org/890862
> >
> > Si trobo on redimonis vaig llegir-ho us ho faré saber.



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Re: upgrading and stuff

2021-09-26 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Saturday 25 September 2021 06:36:34 pm Dan Ritter wrote:
> If the system will not let you login as root from the graphical
> display manager, it's the GDM's fault. It may be a configurable
> option in its /etc/whateverdm. If not, you can always replace a
> recalcitrant GDM with original xdm, which doesn't care so much.
 
That appears to be the problem.  GDM?  What do I need to be looking at here?


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Re: upgrading and stuff

2021-09-26 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Saturday 25 September 2021 06:08:23 pm Andy Smith wrote:
> The release of the three newer stable versions of Debian seems to have 
> happened without you noticing. 

Life has handed me a whole mess of things to deal with over the past year or 
two...

> If you remain subscribed to this mailing list then you will surely read here 
> about the release of
> Debian 12 (bookworm), but if you want a very low traffic announcements feed 
> then you could subscribe to the debian-announce
> list instead:
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/
> 
> It's only received 6 emails so far this year:
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2021/threads.html

I *do* have that list flowing in here,  along with Debian News and Debian 
Security.  I guess I need to give it some more attention?
 
> > consulted the release notes about how one might go about upgrading,  and 
> > from the latest on back each one says something to
> > the effect of only being able to upgrade from the last major version,  so 
> > if there's a good way to do this whole thing at once
> > I'd sure like to hear about it.
> 
> Yes, upgrades are only supported from one release to another, so if you wish 
> to upgrade this machine you're going to have to consult the
> release notes for Debian 9 about upgrading from 8.x to 9.x, and then the 
> release notes for Debian 10, and so on until you are at Debian
> 11.x.

I have multiple tabs open in my browser to just those things.
 
> It's not supported to go directly from 8 to 11 (or even from 8 to 10) and 
> trying to do so will probably end in failure.
> 
> Or you could just reinstall and then put your data files back in
> place from your backups. That may be quicker.

Maybe,  but I'm not sure that I want to go there at the moment.
 
> > The only thing that works there is to log in as a regular user, and then 
> > use the su command to get there.  A bit of a pain.  Where
> > in the software is this controlled?  I really would like to change this 
> > behavior,  if at all possible.
> 
> I am not aware of any modern desktop environment that allows to log in and 
> run the entire GUI as root, for reasons you said you didn't
> want to hear about. Someone else may be able to suggest some alternate 
> desktop environment that allows this.
 
Well,  I guess we'll see what turns up in the messages then.


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Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Roger Price

On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Dedeco Balaco wrote:


Em 26/09/2021 09:35, Roger Price escreveu:

Perhaps the *cal one gets depends on the desktop.


I use Mate Desktop. And i used it with Debian 9 (stretch) before upgrading 
(sequentially) to 11, a few weeks ago. But Greg Wooledge just, in a message in 
another branch of this
thread, the upgrades from previous distributions which contained cal command 
should still contain it. So, we have 2 possibilities here.


I did a fresh install of Debian 11, which explains why I do not have cal.  Roger



Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-09-26 Thread Kushal Kumaran
[slightly re-arranged segments below]

On Sat, Sep 25 2021 at 09:03:37 PM, Default User  
wrote:
>
> In Vorta, under the "Sources" tab, there is an area (window) for input
> into which you can type or paste text, such as:
>
> **/.cache
>
> to denote exclusions, that is, things you do not want to back up.
> This is from /home/debian_user/.config/backintime/config:
>
> . . .
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.1.value=.gvfs
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.2.value=.cache/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.3.value=.thumbnails*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.4.value=.local/share/[Tt]rash*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.5.value=*.backup*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.6.value=*~
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.7.value=.dropbox*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.8.value=/proc/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.9.value=/sys/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.10.value=/dev/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.11.value=/run/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.12.value=/etc/mtab
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.13.value=/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.14.value=lost+found/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.15.value=/tmp/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.16.value=/var/tmp/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.17.value=/var/backups/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.18.value=.Private
> . . .
>
> Of course that is expressed in backintime's own configuration
> "language", and would probably need to be translated into borgbackup's
> equivalent "language".
> ...
> And that isn't even (afaik) Fnmatch!
> (BTW, I have read what you referenced as ' Run "borg help patterns" '.
> I'm afraid it wasn't very helpful to me.)

I mean you should run the command "borg help patterns" (without quotes)
from a terminal.  That produces detailed explanation of what kinds of
patterns borg supports, including examples.  The same content is also
available in the borg-patterns manpage.

It also mentions the --dry-run option that you can use to try your
patterns out.  fnmatch is similar to shell pattern matching, like the
backintime configuration fragment you've shown above.  You can take
those as-is if you want all of those to apply.  The patterns above that
start with / will not apply to your scenario, where you're backing up
/home/debian-user.

>> [https://defuse.ca/audits/encfs.htm] talks about issues with encfs
>> design.  There is nothing backintime can do to fix those.
>>
>> borg can encrypt its backup images, and it recommendeds enabling that.
>> So an adversary would not get access to the encfs ciphertext directly.
>> They could get access to borg ciphertext instead, which may or may not
>> be vulnerable to the same problems.  AFAIK there hasn't been a security
>> audit of borgbackup itself.  The page at
>> https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/internals/security.html#borgcrypto
>> describes the design of borg security.
>>
>
> I shall take for granted that backintime developers do not code encfs.
> Fine.  But after 7 years (at least), why haven't they replaced encfs
> with a "safer" encryption scheme, or at least just removed it and
> simply not replaced it at all?  IMHO, either option would seem far
> better than the status quo.

I had misunderstood the scenario.  I'd read it as you using backintime
to backup encfs-encrypted content, not realizing that backintime uses
encfs to provide encrypted backups.

-- 
regards,
kushal



Android SDK: "The SDK directory is not writable"

2021-09-26 Thread Alexis Geoffrey
Hello list,

I'm having an issue with building my first project with the
android-sdk package on Bullseye. I'm getting the error listed in the
subject line (The SDK directory is not writable
(/usr/lib/android-sdk)) which obviously makes sense, since we
shouldn't be able to normally write to /usr/lib right? But that's the
default place that the android-sdk package installs the sdk files. Is
there an alternate installation method I should be using, or am I
actually supposed to make /usr/lib/android-sdk writable by a user
account?

Thanks,
Alexis



Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

2021-09-26 Thread Linux-Fan

rhkra...@gmail.com writes:


On Sunday, September 26, 2021 08:45:13 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 07:00:06AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Well, to be fair to Google, the first two or three hits did show FAOD,
> > but without explaining what it meant -- those sites that you have to
> > actually go to to find the meaning.  I skipped over those to find a hit
> > that actually included the meaning, and the first (and next) one(s) I
> > found were for FOAD, and I didn't notice the difference.
>
> Fascinating.  My first page results from Google were all of this form:
>
>   What are long-chain fatty acid oxidation disorders (LC-FAOD)?
>   https://www.faodinfocus.com › learn-about-lc-faod
>   LC-FAOD are rare, genetic metabolic disorders that prevent the body from
> breaking down long-chain fatty acids into energy during metabolism.
>
> This is obviously wrong in this context.
>
> The entire first page consisted solely of results like this, so I didn't
> even bother going to page 2.

Hmm, I don't remember the eact google query I tried, I might have done
something like [define: FAOD slang] or something similar (maybe "acronym",  
but

maybe more likely "slang").


Trying to find out what the fuss was about, my first query was

FAOD urban dictionary

which yielded

1. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Faod (not helpful)
2. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=foad

Like rhkramer, I did not notice that the letters were intermingled.

When entering

FAOD

I get results similar to Greg's. When entering

FAOD meaning

(as suggested by Google for related searches), I get this among the top  
results:


https://www.acronymfinder.com/Slang/FAOD.html

That, finally, explains it.

Most of the time, I try to stick to acronyms that are found in "The Jargon  
File" (package `jargon`) because these seem to have a pretty agreed-upon  
meaning :)


HTH and YMMV
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Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-09-26 Thread Marco Möller

On 26.09.21 00:24, Default User wrote:

Hello!

I want to try using borgbackup to do backups of my (only) user directory:
/home/debian-user

I just want to do so using Vorta, a GUI for borgbackup.

But I just need a good, general list of directory and file type
exclusions that I can just cut and paste into the Exclude Patterns
window in Vorta.  Something like the default list of exclusions that
appears by default in the Backintime backup program.

Note 1: borgbackup uses a matching pattern called "Fnmatch" with which
I am not familiar, and don't want to learn by trial and error, losing
data in the process.  Which is why I am looking for a "drop-in" basic
exclude list.

Note 2: I am not intending to use borgbackup to back up the whole
system; just /home/debian-user and its subdirectories.  I am using
timeshift to back up the rest of the system.  Timeshift uses a huge
amount of disk space, but it . . .  works.

Note 3: I am aware that some use backintime to back up user data, and
I have tried it myself.  But it just seems to have some "problems".
For example, the built-in "diff" utility does not seem to do anything.
It seems old and gives the impression of not being heavily developed.
The documentation is "adequate" but mediocre. And what really grinds
my gears about backintime, a problem apparently known as far back as
2014:

"Warning: A recent security audit revealed several possible attack
vectors for EncFs.


From https://defuse.ca/audits/encfs.htm:


EncFS is probably safe as long as the adversary only gets one copy of
the ciphertext and nothing more. EncFS is not safe if the adversary
has the opportunity to see two or more snapshots of the ciphertext at
different times. EncFS attempts to protect files from malicious
modification, but there are serious problems with this feature.

This might be a problem with Back In Time snapshots."

Gee . . .  think so?



The following is an example for what could be in an exclude file for the 
borg command being used at the CLI with the option:

--exclude-from myExcludeFile

,

# The following items will be excluded from the borg backup
# use absolute paths like in: "borg create repo::archive /home/someUserName"
# do NOT use relative paths like in "borg create repo::archive ."
#
# a slash as the last character excludes all contents but not the dir 
name itself

# like this the softlinks are preserved


/home/someUserName/.cache/
/home/someUserName/Downloads/
/home/someUserName/TEMP/

/home/someUserName/.julia/artifacts/
/home/someUserName/.julia/compiled/
/home/someUserName/.julia/conda/
/home/someUserName/.julia/packages/
/home/someUserName/.julia/registries/


/home/someUserName/.opt/



You will see that I personally decided to not include in my Backup some 
quit common folders:

.cache
Downloads
TEMP

You will also see, that I did not exclude a particular single file, only 
complete directories. You could do so, you could include in teh list 
particular files, if of interest to you.


I then have some folders to which I install software relevant only to 
this user, and as this user could anytime reinstall this software, the 
content of these folders do not contain user data or configuration data 
of importance, I decided to not fill my backups with the huge and often 
changing content of these folders:


.opt
.julia/selectionOfReinstallableJuliaFolders

Note that I did not include the complete tree ".julia", because in other 
sub-directories of Julia there is important user data and configuration 
data which I do want to become backuped!


I wouldn't know about a general recommendation about folders which by 
default are recommended for exclusion. You will have to go for the 
effort and personally decide for your very own situation.
If you have an exclusion list which you are happy with from other 
software, you mentioned backintime, maybe you can learn from my above 
example about the borg syntax and reuse the exclusions which backintime 
has configured for you?
Note the in my above example there are comment lines included, 
everything behind the sign "#" is a comment and the comment ends at the 
end of line. These line can be part of the exclude file and do not harm, 
they will simply be ignored when borg searches for the entries of to be 
excluded files or directories. These comments point out some frecuentley 
parts of particular interest when populating a borg exclusion file. 
However, nothing beets reading the original documentation.


Good Luck!
Marco



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Dedeco Balaco


Em 26/09/2021 09:35, Roger Price escreveu:
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Dedeco Balaco wrote:
>
>> $  ls -l /usr/bin/cal 
>> 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 mar 23  2021 /usr/bin/cal -> ncal
> Not for all of us.
>
> rprice@titan ~ inxi -S
> System:Host: titan Kernel: 5.10.0-8-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 
> 4.16.0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
> rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/cal
> ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/cal': No such file or directory
> rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/ncal
> ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/ncal': No such file or directory
> rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/gcal
> /usr/bin/gcal*
>
> Perhaps the *cal one gets depends on the desktop.
>
I use Mate Desktop. And i used it with Debian 9 (stretch) before
upgrading (sequentially) to 11, a few weeks ago. But Greg Wooledge just,
in a message in another branch of this thread, the upgrades from
previous distributions which contained cal command should still contain
it. So, we have 2 possibilities here.




Re: static photo album generator

2021-09-26 Thread Emanuel Berg
> fgallery - static HTML+JavaScript photo album generator

Hm, HTML and JavaScript, doesn't sound so static ...

Maybe it is just the HTML part that is static?

Ha.

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Re: static photo album generator

2021-09-26 Thread Emanuel Berg
tomas wrote:

> apt search "photo.*album"
>
> yields 17 hits for me. There are a few among them which
> might fit your description.

Hm, one of these perhaps

  album- HTML photo album generator with theme support
  fgallery - static HTML+JavaScript photo album generator

This

  pelican  - blog aware, static website generator 

was recommended to my on #debian at Libera.

Anyone has experience from them or any other software to
this end?

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Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

2021-09-26 Thread Michael Stone

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 07:51:18PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

Ahh, looking harder, apparently means:  For Avoidance Of Doubt (chiefly
British)


It certainly clarified things. :-D



Re: evince cache of recent files?

2021-09-26 Thread Curt
On 2021-09-26, Sharon Kimble  wrote:
>
>
> Where does Evince store its memory/cache of recent files that its loaded
> in bullseye please? Currently it is only showing the last file, but
> under Debian 10 it showed the last 10.

I'm not running Bullseye but in Stretch recent documents for Evince are
stored here:

  ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel

Things may have changed, though, in recent years.

> Thanks
> Sharon Kimble.




Re: _INTRODUCTION_ to installing/using Wine?

2021-09-26 Thread piorunz

On 26/09/2021 14:42, Richard Owlett wrote:

I have not used any version of Windows since WinXP and have the AMD64
flavor of Debian 10.7 installed on the relevant machine.

I wish to do two things:
   1. Explore some text manipulation applications I used then
  (obviously 32 bit apps).
   2. Explore Bible study tools used by others at church
  (32 or 64 bit ???).

I have found references [1][2] suitable for addressing specific detailed
questions. I'm looking for introductory material -- especially such that
would cause me to think of questions I should consider before proceeding.
Suggestions?
TIA

References:
1. https://wiki.debian.org/Wine
2. https://www.winehq.org/
    Goes into much detail but does not have an "overview only" page.


After you install Wine (your reference materials covers that), simply
execute in terminal "wine name_of_your_exe" from the folder where .exe is.

That's all.

If something doesn't work, install required components using winetricks.
Simply install package winetricks, open it, and navigate graphically to
install .Net Frameworks, C++ redistributables and whatever else your
Windows app needs to operate.

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_INTRODUCTION_ to installing/using Wine?

2021-09-26 Thread Richard Owlett
I have not used any version of Windows since WinXP and have the AMD64 
flavor of Debian 10.7 installed on the relevant machine.


I wish to do two things:
  1. Explore some text manipulation applications I used then
 (obviously 32 bit apps).
  2. Explore Bible study tools used by others at church
 (32 or 64 bit ???).

I have found references [1][2] suitable for addressing specific detailed 
questions. I'm looking for introductory material -- especially such that 
would cause me to think of questions I should consider before proceeding.

Suggestions?
TIA

References:
1. https://wiki.debian.org/Wine
2. https://www.winehq.org/
   Goes into much detail but does not have an "overview only" page.






Re: update krijg Wireguard niet naar verwachting aan de gang met IPv6

2021-09-26 Thread Gijs Hillenius
On 26 September 2021 10:59 Geert Stappers, wrote:

(knip!)

> telnet -4 salsa.debian.org 2309


ik doe op de client telnet 6 salsa.debian.org 2309

dan toon de server

tcpdump -ni any port 2309
tcpdump: data link type LINUX_SLL2
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full protocol decode
listening on any, link-type LINUX_SLL2 (Linux cooked v2), snapshot length 
262144 bytes
15:18:28.147092 wg0   In  IP6 fd42:42:42::2.33414 > 
2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44.2309: Flags [S], seq 4140354248, win 65280, options 
[mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 1089390879 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
15:18:28.147116 eth0  Out IP6 fd42:42:42::2.33414 > 
2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44.2309: Flags [S], seq 4140354248, win 65280, options 
[mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 1089390879 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
15:18:29.166704 wg0   In  IP6 fd42:42:42::2.33414 > 
2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44.2309: Flags [S], seq 4140354248, win 65280, options 
[mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 1089391898 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
15:18:29.166719 eth0  Out IP6 fd42:42:42::2.33414 > 
2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44.2309: Flags [S], seq 4140354248, win 65280, options 
[mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 1089391898 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
15:18:31.182594 wg0   In  IP6 fd42:42:42::2.33414 > 
2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44.2309: Flags [S], seq 4140354248, win 65280, options 
[mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 1089393914 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
15:18:31.182612 eth0  Out IP6 fd42:42:42::2.33414 > 
2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44.2309: Flags [S], seq 4140354248, win 65280, options 
[mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 1089393914 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
15:18:35.278501 wg0   In  IP6 fd42:42:42::2.33414 > 
2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44.2309: Flags [S], seq 4140354248, win 65280, options 
[mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 1089398010 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
15:18:35.278521 eth0  Out IP6 fd42:42:42::2.33414 > 
2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44.2309: Flags [S], seq 4140354248, win 65280, options 
[mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 1089398010 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0




Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

2021-09-26 Thread Peter Ehlert



On 9/25/21 5:10 PM, The Wanderer wrote:

On 2021-09-25 at 20:00, Greg Wooledge wrote:


On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 07:51:18PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


On Saturday, September 25, 2021 07:43:04 PM rhkra...@gmail.com
wrote:

I had to look up the meaning of FAOD.  Are you kidding me?  What
did I do or say to get a response like that?

I may have misunderstood which message you were pointing to -- I
was interested in the message that Chuck wrote that prompted all
the criticism.

So a misunderstanding about which message we each were talking
about, but FAOD???

And if FAOD means what I found on the internet, that must violate
the Debian CoC.

Oops, I may need to apologize -- I googled for FAOD, but in googles
own "it knows better" manner, it showed me definitios of FOAD :-(

I've been assuming it was a typo for FOAD, but I don't know what you
said to provoke that reaction.

If it really was FAOD then I have no idea what it stands for.


I too had no clue... and was shocked at the FOAD hits I got

today Google is actually different:
10 pages searching for "FAOD"  resulted in nothing but fatty acid links.
then the suggested search: "FAOD meaning" got me to this:

Acronym    Definition
FAOD    Forever and One Day
FAOD    Free App of the Day
FAOD    Fatty Acid Oxidation Disorder
FAOD    Fructosyl-Amino Acid Oxidase (biochemistry)
FAOD    Furry Army of Doom (online group)
FAOD    For Avoidance Of Doubt (chiefly British)


rhkramer correctly identified it in the most recent reply: "For
Avoidance of Doubt".

that is comforting
LOL (laughing out loud)

It hadn't occurred to me that it wouldn't be
readily recognizable in these circles, or that Google wouldn't find it
easily. (I may actually be more surprised by the latter than by the former.)





Re: evince cache of recent files?

2021-09-26 Thread Charlie


On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 09:02:05 +0100 Sharon Informed me about
evince cache of recent files?

> Where does Evince store its memory/cache of recent files that its
> loaded in bullseye please? Currently it is only showing the last
> file, but under Debian 10 it showed the last 10.
> 
> Thanks
> Sharon Kimble.  

Probably doesn't help, but who knows?

In my Bullseye, if I type "evince" into xterm, it shows over 50 files.
But I have no idea from whence the come.

Charlie
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Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

2021-09-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-09-26 at 08:45, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 07:00:06AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well, to be fair to Google, the first two or three hits did show FAOD, but 
>> without explaining what it meant -- those sites that you have to actually go 
>> to to find the meaning.  I skipped over those to find a hit that actually 
>> included the meaning, and the first (and next) one(s) I found were for FOAD, 
>> and I didn't notice the difference.  
> 
> Fascinating.  My first page results from Google were all of this form:
> 
>   What are long-chain fatty acid oxidation disorders (LC-FAOD)?
>   https://www.faodinfocus.com › learn-about-lc-faod
>   LC-FAOD are rare, genetic metabolic disorders that prevent the body from 
> breaking down long-chain fatty acids into energy during metabolism.
> 
> This is obviously wrong in this context.
> 
> The entire first page consisted solely of results like this, so I didn't
> even bother going to page 2.

When I tested (yesterday evening), I got the same result as you report.

I had never heard of this interpretation of the initialism before, and
am moderately surprised to see that Google considers it to be the
top-priority one.

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Re: static photo album generator

2021-09-26 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 12:51:59 +0200
Emanuel Berg  wrote:

> Hm, one of these perhaps
> 
>   album- HTML photo album generator with theme support
>   fgallery - static HTML+JavaScript photo album generator
> 
> This
> 
>   pelican  - blog aware, static website generator 
> 
> was recommended to my on #debian at Libera.
> 
> Anyone has experience from them or any other software to
> this end?

I use both album and pelican. Both take some setup. Album is closer to
your original requirement, and should fulfill it nicely one you have it
set up.

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Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

2021-09-26 Thread rhkramer
On Sunday, September 26, 2021 08:45:13 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 07:00:06AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Well, to be fair to Google, the first two or three hits did show FAOD,
> > but without explaining what it meant -- those sites that you have to
> > actually go to to find the meaning.  I skipped over those to find a hit
> > that actually included the meaning, and the first (and next) one(s) I
> > found were for FOAD, and I didn't notice the difference.
> 
> Fascinating.  My first page results from Google were all of this form:
> 
>   What are long-chain fatty acid oxidation disorders (LC-FAOD)?
>   https://www.faodinfocus.com › learn-about-lc-faod
>   LC-FAOD are rare, genetic metabolic disorders that prevent the body from
> breaking down long-chain fatty acids into energy during metabolism.
> 
> This is obviously wrong in this context.
> 
> The entire first page consisted solely of results like this, so I didn't
> even bother going to page 2.

Hmm, I don't remember the eact google query I tried, I might have done 
something like [define: FAOD slang] or something similar (maybe "acronym", but 
maybe more likely "slang").



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Erwan David
Le 26/09/2021 à 14:35, Roger Price a écrit :
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Dedeco Balaco wrote:
>
>> $  ls -l /usr/bin/cal 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 mar 23  2021
>> /usr/bin/cal -> ncal
>
> Not for all of us.
>
> rprice@titan ~ inxi -S
> System:    Host: titan Kernel: 5.10.0-8-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop:
> Xfce 4.16.0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
> rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/cal
> ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/cal': No such file or directory
> rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/ncal
> ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/ncal': No such file or directory
> rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/gcal
> /usr/bin/gcal*
>
> Perhaps the *cal one gets depends on the desktop.
>
> Roger


On bookworm :


apt-file search /usr/bin/cal
…
ncal: /usr/bin/cal





Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

2021-09-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 07:00:06AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well, to be fair to Google, the first two or three hits did show FAOD, but 
> without explaining what it meant -- those sites that you have to actually go 
> to to find the meaning.  I skipped over those to find a hit that actually 
> included the meaning, and the first (and next) one(s) I found were for FOAD, 
> and I didn't notice the difference.  

Fascinating.  My first page results from Google were all of this form:

  What are long-chain fatty acid oxidation disorders (LC-FAOD)?
  https://www.faodinfocus.com › learn-about-lc-faod
  LC-FAOD are rare, genetic metabolic disorders that prevent the body from 
breaking down long-chain fatty acids into energy during metabolism.

This is obviously wrong in this context.

The entire first page consisted solely of results like this, so I didn't
even bother going to page 2.



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Roger Price

On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Dedeco Balaco wrote:

$  ls -l /usr/bin/cal 
0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 mar 23  2021 /usr/bin/cal -> ncal


Not for all of us.

rprice@titan ~ inxi -S
System:Host: titan Kernel: 5.10.0-8-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 
4.16.0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)

rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/cal
ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/cal': No such file or directory
rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/ncal
ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/ncal': No such file or directory
rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/gcal
/usr/bin/gcal*

Perhaps the *cal one gets depends on the desktop.

Roger

Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:24:59AM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to be a
> command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to the
> screen. It would do other calendars, depending on command line parameters.
> Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor a package
> containing it.

unicorn:~$ cat /etc/debian_version 
11.0
unicorn:~$ type cal
cal is hashed (/usr/bin/cal)
unicorn:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/cal
ncal: /usr/bin/cal
unicorn:~$ apt-cache show ncal | head -n14
Package: ncal
Source: bsdmainutils
Version: 12.1.7+nmu3
Installed-Size: 68
Maintainer: Debian Bsdmainutils Team 
Architecture: amd64
Replaces: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libtinfo6 (>= 6)
Breaks: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
Description-en: display a calendar and the date of Easter
 This package contains the "ncal" program and the traditional "cal"
 program, both are commonly found on BSD-style systems. This utility displays a
 simple calendar in a traditional or an alternative and more advanced layout,
 and the date of Easter.


If you "moved to bullseye" by performing an upgrade, you should still
have this command.  If you "moved" by wiping the system and installing
bullseye from scratch, then I guess you just have to install the ncal
package manually.



Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

2021-09-26 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski

On 9/26/2021 7:28 AM, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:

On 9/26/2021 7:18 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, September 25, 2021 12:58:44 PM Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:

I am truly sorry, are there second chances in the Debian Community?

I hope and trust so -- I've had to make use of them more than once ;-)


... That is why defamation is not the only
issue to discuss here. The other is privacy and whether or
not Debian volunteers can discuss matters privately or does
every criticism we have about another person need to
be expressed in the public forums?
Things certainly can be discussed privately, but (1) not everyone 
immediately
thinks of that under all circumstances.  (And may either (2) consider 
the
criticism (if it is that) to be so mild it doesn't require private 
discussion,
or (3) is useful for the entire list, and thus useful to be public 
rather than

private.  (In that situation (3) (or (2)), it would be nice if it were
discussed in private first as an extra element of courtesy, but see (1).

Have a good day!





May I add (4) not everyone immediately thinks (or agrees) that it is 
not good
to just include a link without also posting the relevant text from 
that link.

I think posting the link with a summary of other relevant information
is sufficient. I respect that opinion of the poster of message #10 of 
my bug,
but I don't think I must agree with it. Now I know that's what he 
expects,

and I will try to remember that in future interactions with him.

All the best,

Chuck



Also, other people might be offended if I posted the link and did what
the author of #10 wanted me to do, also include the relevant text
of the link. What effect does that have? Suppose someone reads the link
and then comes back to my message and finds repeated what I
already said in the link. He/she becomes annoyed that I
wasted her/his time. When I was formulating my initial bug report,
how was I supposed to know how the author of message #10
wanted me to create my bug report?

Cheers,

Chuck



Re: Postgresql ODBC driver not found

2021-09-26 Thread Henning Follmann
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 12:10:39AM +0200, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> 
> On 9/25/21 3:46 PM, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > 
> > have you tried to use the odbc lib from unixodbc instead of
> > libiodbc?
> > 
> 
> I think you are right on many other points...
> 
> But particularly on this one !
> 
> I did remove libodbc2-dev and install unixodbc-dev and now it is OK...!!
> 
> Wow !
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> Let us have a Sunday without any odbc...
> 
> PC
>


I am glad this worked out.
Now I wonder if we should file a bug report against the lib?


-H

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static photo album generator

2021-09-26 Thread Emanuel Berg
Is there a static photo album generator in the Debian repos?

I.e., you have a bunch of photos in a dir, neat with good
filenames etc, you execute the generator program and get
a HTML file with thumbnails etc, all done and compliant with
good standards and conventions?

TIA

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Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

2021-09-26 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski

On 9/26/2021 7:18 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, September 25, 2021 12:58:44 PM Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:

I am truly sorry, are there second chances in the Debian Community?

I hope and trust so -- I've had to make use of them more than once ;-)


... That is why defamation is not the only
issue to discuss here. The other is privacy and whether or
not Debian volunteers can discuss matters privately or does
every criticism we have about another person need to
be expressed in the public forums?

Things certainly can be discussed privately, but (1) not everyone immediately
thinks of that under all circumstances.  (And may either (2) consider the
criticism (if it is that) to be so mild it doesn't require private discussion,
or (3) is useful for the entire list, and thus useful to be public rather than
private.  (In that situation (3) (or (2)), it would be nice if it were
discussed in private first as an extra element of courtesy, but see (1).

Have a good day!





May I add (4) not everyone immediately thinks (or agrees) that it is not 
good
to just include a link without also posting the relevant text from that 
link.

I think posting the link with a summary of other relevant information
is sufficient. I respect that opinion of the poster of message #10 of my 
bug,

but I don't think I must agree with it. Now I know that's what he expects,
and I will try to remember that in future interactions with him.

All the best,

Chuck



Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

2021-09-26 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, September 25, 2021 12:58:44 PM Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> I am truly sorry, are there second chances in the Debian Community?

I hope and trust so -- I've had to make use of them more than once ;-)

> ... That is why defamation is not the only
> issue to discuss here. The other is privacy and whether or
> not Debian volunteers can discuss matters privately or does
> every criticism we have about another person need to
> be expressed in the public forums?

Things certainly can be discussed privately, but (1) not everyone immediately 
thinks of that under all circumstances.  (And may either (2) consider the 
criticism (if it is that) to be so mild it doesn't require private discussion, 
or (3) is useful for the entire list, and thus useful to be public rather than 
private.  (In that situation (3) (or (2)), it would be nice if it were 
discussed in private first as an extra element of courtesy, but see (1).

Have a good day!





Re: static photo album generator

2021-09-26 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI

On 26/09/2021 07:57, Emanuel Berg wrote:

fgallery - static HTML+JavaScript photo album generator


Hm, HTML and JavaScript, doesn't sound so static ...


Static means no server side processing is required (no CGI, PHP or 
similar), any web server that can just serve files is enough.



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Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

2021-09-26 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, September 25, 2021 08:10:31 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> rhkramer correctly identified it in the most recent reply: "For
> Avoidance of Doubt". It hadn't occurred to me that it wouldn't be
> readily recognizable in these circles, or that Google wouldn't find it
> easily. (I may actually be more surprised by the latter than by the
> former.)

Well, to be fair to Google, the first two or three hits did show FAOD, but 
without explaining what it meant -- those sites that you have to actually go 
to to find the meaning.  I skipped over those to find a hit that actually 
included the meaning, and the first (and next) one(s) I found were for FOAD, 
and I didn't notice the difference.  



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Jude DaShiell
Wasn't that in bsd-utils?  If not there, maybe plan9.


On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Charlie wrote:

>
>   On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 01:24:59 -0400 Paul Informed me about What
>   happened to cal?
>
> > Folks:
> >
> > I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to
> > be a command called "cal" which would simply print this month's
> > calendar to the screen. It would do other calendars, depending on
> > command line parameters. Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see
> > the command nor a package containing it. There is a command "gcal"
> > which appears to do the same thing.
> >
> > Am I missing something? Was there a separate package called "cal"
> > which was automatically installed in earlier versions of Debian? Or
> > was there an automatic alias to the gcal program?
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
> On Bullseye, still works here.
>
>
>



Re: `wget' web site

2021-09-26 Thread Jude DaShiell
I wonder, could the file pursuit pro app help here if installed on that
tablet?

On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Karthik wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 5:18 AM Rodolfo Medina  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I manage to download an entire website, say www.mysite.com, with simply
> >
> >  $ wget -r -l 0 www.mysite.com
> >
> > After that, I can surf that web site offline with all its internal links.
> > Perfect.
> >
> > Now the problem comes when I want to copy that stuff into my Android tablet 
> > and
> > read it offline too.  Then the links do not work any more.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
>
> That's because in Android 7+, when you open a file in any app through
> the file manager
> that opened app doesn't have access to the "file path" of that file.
> it just gets the file descriptor of that file and accesses it as a stream.
>
> when you open a downloaded website (bunch of html,js,css files in hierarchy).
> you open a single html file(index.html) and click on hyperlinks(file
> paths resolved relatively against index.html) to browse the website
> from there on.
> Since the browser in your desktop gnu/linux system has direct access
> to file paths, it can resolve them and you can browse them easily.
> But when open that same index.html file in android the file manager
> sends an intent(request containing URI,file mime-type,perms)
> requesting android system to resolve that file(.html file)
> against installed apps, android system checks whether the any
> installed app can open this type(mime-type) of file or not,
> if there are multiple apps(mostly browsers) installed that can open
> html files it asks user to choose one app(that just once and always
> dialog),
> since the browser can open html files it sends that intent to the
> browser(or to the app you selected if there are multiple ones).
> the browser checks the intent and resolves the URI in the intent(by
> asking android system), the request gets passed back to the file
> manager's Content provider,
> that is why you see "content:://" type url in browser and not
> "file://" as in desktop browser,then
> the file manager content provider sends back a file descriptor of that
> requested file(index.html) back to browser,
> which then gets open as plain  html file because the css files,assets
> cant be resolved from that URI
>
> Solution is to use some app that can open offline websites  directly
> from local storage
> using storage permission and not through file manager apps unless you
> have an android 6 or below device.
>
> https://developer.android.com/about/versions/nougat/android-7.0-changes#sharing-files
>
>



Re: backup directory/file exclusion pattern list for borgbackup

2021-09-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 25 sep 21, 21:03:37, Default User wrote:
> 
> to denote exclusions, that is, things you do not want to back up.
> This is from /home/debian_user/.config/backintime/config:
> 
> . . .
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.1.value=.gvfs
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.2.value=.cache/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.3.value=.thumbnails*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.4.value=.local/share/[Tt]rash*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.5.value=*.backup*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.6.value=*~
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.7.value=.dropbox*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.8.value=/proc/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.9.value=/sys/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.10.value=/dev/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.11.value=/run/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.12.value=/etc/mtab
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.13.value=/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.14.value=lost+found/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.15.value=/tmp/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.16.value=/var/tmp/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.17.value=/var/backups/*
> profile1.snapshots.exclude.18.value=.Private
> . . .
 
Half of those are system directories, so they are irrelevant for your 
use case (backing up a /home directory).
 
> Borg takes up about 4.2 Gb of user data only.
> 
> Backintime uses about 4.4Gb to back up the same user data.  

If I understand correctly Borg takes less space *without* exclusions to 
backup the same data as timeshift *with* exclusions.

What problem are you trying to solve?

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: upgrading and stuff

2021-09-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 25 sep 21, 22:08:23, Andy Smith wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 05:07:46PM -0400, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
> 
> > The only thing that works there is to log in as a regular user,
> > and then use the su command to get there.  A bit of a pain.  Where
> > in the software is this controlled?  I really would like to change
> > this behavior,  if at all possible.
> 
> I am not aware of any modern desktop environment that allows to log
> in and run the entire GUI as root, for reasons you said you didn't
> want to hear about. Someone else may be able to suggest some
> alternate desktop environment that allows this.

Could it be this is an XY problem.

Care to elaborate on what exactly you need root for in a graphical 
environment? The usual admin tools (you did mention using Synaptic, 
GParted would be another useful graphical tool that needs root to do its 
job) should have ways to elevate privileges.

I do assume you don't seriously consider running Firefox or something 
like that as root ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: evince cache of recent files?

2021-09-26 Thread tomas
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 09:02:05AM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
> 
> 
> Where does Evince store its memory/cache of recent files that its loaded
> in bullseye please? Currently it is only showing the last file, but
> under Debian 10 it showed the last 10.

I'd expect this to be behind some DBus complications. There is a Freedesktop
spec for "recent files" (AFAIR it has been also merged with "bookmarks").

Perhaps your Evince isn't capable of talking (this is the part which usually
happens over DBus) to the storage.

May be starting the thing from the command line and plowing through its
warning stream sheds some light.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.

2021-09-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 25 sep 21, 22:30:30, Martin McCormick wrote:
> So, what is the easiest route to end up with a kernel that has
> this patch in it?

This should at least get you started:

https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html

Kind regards,
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Re: static photo album generator

2021-09-26 Thread tomas
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 09:47:25AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Is there a static photo album generator in the Debian repos?
> 
> I.e., you have a bunch of photos in a dir, neat with good
> filenames etc, you execute the generator program and get
> a HTML file with thumbnails etc, all done and compliant with
> good standards and conventions?

  apt search "photo.*album"

yields 17 hits for me. There are a few among them which might
fit your description.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: update krijg Wireguard niet naar verwachting aan de gang met IPv6

2021-09-26 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 10:13:16AM +0200, Gijs Hillenius wrote:
> 
> uitput op de server van (op client) telnet xs4all.nl 2309
> 
> ,
> | tcpdump -ni any  port 2309
> | tcpdump: data link type LINUX_SLL2
> | tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full protocol decode
> | listening on any, link-type LINUX_SLL2 (Linux cooked v2), snapshot length 
> 262144 bytes
> | 10:01:07.351560 wg0   In  IP 10.66.66.2.50640 > 194.109.6.93.2309: Flags 
> [S], seq 1011808921, win 64860, options [mss 1380,sackOK,TS val 2717353847 
> ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
> | 10:01:07.351590 eth0  Out IP 144.76.204.189.50640 > 194.109.6.93.2309: 
> Flags [S], seq 1011808921, win 64860, options [mss 1380,sackOK,TS val 
> 2717353847 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
> | 10:01:08.370230 wg0   In  IP 10.66.66.2.50640 > 194.109.6.93.2309: Flags 
> [S], seq 1011808921, win 64860, options [mss 1380,sackOK,TS val 2717354866 
> ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
> | 10:01:08.370248 eth0  Out IP 144.76.204.189.50640 > 194.109.6.93.2309: 
> Flags [S], seq 1011808921, win 64860, options [mss 1380,sackOK,TS val 
> 2717354866 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
> | 10:01:10.386263 wg0   In  IP 10.66.66.2.50640 > 194.109.6.93.2309: Flags 
> [S], seq 1011808921, win 64860, options [mss 1380,sackOK,TS val 2717356882 
> ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
> | 10:01:10.386282 eth0  Out IP 144.76.204.189.50640 > 194.109.6.93.2309: 
> Flags [S], seq 1011808921, win 64860, options [mss 1380,sackOK,TS val 
> 2717356882 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
> `
 
Wel de pakketen met S-flag, geen pakketen terug met R-flag.
Reden zou kunnen zijn dat end point 194.109.6.93 niet terugstuurt
 "Geen service op poort 2309"

Kleine test:
| $ telnet -4 194.109.6.93 2309
| Trying 194.109.6.93...
| telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
| $
Inderdaad, de andere kant stuurt niets terug.


Om wel pakketten met  R-flag te zien
| $ telnet -4 salsa.debian.org 2309
| Trying 209.87.16.44...
| telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
| $ telnet -6 salsa.debian.org 2309
| Trying 2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:44...
| telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
| $ 



> ,
> | tcpdump -ni eth0 port 2309
> | tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full protocol decode
> | listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot length 262144 bytes
> | 10:08:06.110814 IP6 fd42:42:42::2.43674 > 2001:888:0:18::93.2309: Flags 
> [S], seq 2765591401, win 65280, options [mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 2882732426 
> ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
> | 10:08:07.126090 IP6 fd42:42:42::2.43674 > 2001:888:0:18::93.2309: Flags 
> [S], seq 2765591401, win 65280, options [mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 2882733442 
> ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
> | 10:08:09.143819 IP6 fd42:42:42::2.43674 > 2001:888:0:18::93.2309: Flags 
> [S], seq 2765591401, win 65280, options [mss 1360,sackOK,TS val 2882735458 
> ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
> `
 
Daar staat:
  Op WireGuard server is te zien dat 
  pakketten van WGclient fd42:42:42::2 naar 2001:888:0:18::93 worden gestuurd.


Er staat ook:
  We zien niet dat er pakketten terugkomen.
 

Dat er vanaf 2001:888:0:18::93 geen route terug naar fd42:42:42::2 is,
is "correct".


Voor mij is het oorspronkelijke "probleem" afgehandeld.



Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Silence is hard to parse



Re: update krijg Wireguard niet naar verwachting aan de gang met IPv6

2021-09-26 Thread Gijs Hillenius


Dank voor het geduld en meedenken

On 25 September 2021 23:24 Geert Stappers, wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 09:04:26AM +0200, Gijs Hillenius wrote:
>> Goedenmorgen!
>> 
>> Tijd voor een update. Er zit een (klein) beetje schot in, maar ik ben er
>> nog niet.
>> 
>> /me veegt lei schoon, huidige configuratie onderaan.
>> 
>> 
>> A) IPv4 lijkt het te doen.
>> 
>> Met ping4 kom ik voorbij de server. En, ik kan (als voorbeeld) met ssh
>> -4 een-vri...@shell.xs4all.nl bereiken, en dan toont het me dat ik kom
>> vanaf 144.76.204.189, zoals de bedoeling is.
>> 
>> Mijn conclusie: masquerading werkt,
>> en de firewalld doet zijn werk. Voor IPv4.
>
> Ja, er zal sprake zijn van masquerading.
> Waar het gebeurd heeft het verhaal nog niet vertelt.
> Is het misschien iets wat "ADSL modem router" doet?

Goede vraag. Belgacom/Proximus doet inderdaad NAT voor IPv4 en IPv6, en
roteert (ongeveer 1 keer per jaar) de IP addressen.

Als ik op de client Wireguard *niet* aanzet, dan is het antwoord van ssh
-4 shell.xs4all.nl dat het verkeert komt vanaf 109.146.128.183

zet ik Wireguard aan, dan komt het dus van mijn servertje.


>> b) IPv6 gaat gedeeltelijk goed.
>> 
>> Zowel client en server kan ik nu heen en weer met ping6 bereiken. Maar
>> ik kom niet vanaf de client voorbij de server, niet met ping6, maar ook
>> niet met ssh. Bijvoorbeeld
>> 
>> ssh -6 weer-die-vri...@shell.xs4all.nl
>> (knip)
>> debug1: Connecting to shell.xs4all.nl [2001:888:0:1::9] port 22.
>> 
>> en dan stilte, tot ik ^C doe.
>
> Er zal ook masquerading nodig zijn.  Dan wel iets anders zodat "local
> addresses" ( fc80:: ) niet meer lokale adressen zijn.
>
>
>
>  
>> De configuratie van de client - let op, er staan twee mogelijke IPv[4,6]
>> reeksen, ze doen het beiden (niet tegelijk, uiteraard).
>> 
>> ,
>> | [Interface]
>> | Address= 10.93.15.2/24, fc80::b85f:d925:971e:110f/64
>> | # een alternatief, werkt ook: Address = 10.66.66.2/24,fd42:42:42::2/64
>> | PrivateKey = 
>> | 
>> | [Peer]
>> | PublicKey = P3GrgaFCxj6gc6CnOUPo8vxBtKaOcKa7wa8LoL1oUl0=
>> | Endpoint = [2a01:4f8:200:546b::9e15:1]:51820
>> | AllowedIPs = 0.0.0.0/0, ::/0
>> | PersistentKeepalive = 25
>> `
>> 
>> en die van de server:
>> 
>> ,
>> | Interface]
>> | Address = 10.93.15.1/24, fc80::b85f:d925:971e:109f/64
>> | # alternatief, ook goed: Address = 10.66.66.1/24,fd42:42:42::1/64
>> | PrivateKey = 
>> | ListenPort = 51820
>> | 
>> | [Peer]
>> | PublicKey = nRwfI98C+AFDaLZuaF1i7YWrj7yQDHrQO07XvivGn2U=
>> | # alternatief: AllowedIPs = 10.66.66.2/32,fd42:42:42::2/128
>> | AllowedIPs = 10.93.15.2/32, fc80::b85f:d925:971e:110f/128
>> `
>> 
>> In de spaarzame vrije tijd heb ik van alles nagelopen.
>> 
>  ...  IPv4 ...
>> 
>> Dan spelde ik https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration: mist mijn
>> static configured ethernet device (die van de oops) soms "accept_ra 2"
>> (ik begrijp het helaas nog niet helemaal)
>> 
>> sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_ra=2 getest
>> 
>> Maar het maakt voor WireGuard niets uit.
>> 
>> Ik zie ook /niets/ relevants in de logs (mezelf kennende zal het er toch
>> wel staan).
>> 
>> Hier een paar van de huidige IPv6 instellingen op de server:
>> 
>> sysctl -a | grep -E 'ipv6.*\.(forwarding|accept_ra) ='
>> net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_ra = 1
>> net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding = 1
>> net.ipv6.conf.default.accept_ra = 1
>> net.ipv6.conf.default.forwarding = 1
>> net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra = 0
>> net.ipv6.conf.eth0.forwarding = 1
>> net.ipv6.conf.lo.accept_ra = 1
>> net.ipv6.conf.lo.forwarding = 1
>> net.ipv6.conf.wg0.accept_ra = 1
>> net.ipv6.conf.wg0.forwarding = 1
>
>
> Met de diverse 'forwarding = 1' ben ik het mee eens.
>
> Wat ik hier van de "accept router advertizing" moet vinden,
> weet ik nog niet.
>
>
>  
>> Waarom doe ik al die moeite om Wireguard ook via IPv6 te doen? Tja: ik
>> wil het gewoon in orde hebben, het is net als het strijken van je
>> overhemden. In België wordt IPv6 gewoon goed ondersteund, het werkt goed
>> op mijn LAN, het doet het uitstekend in Debian. WireGuard kan het, dus
>> waarom zou ik het niet doen?
>
> Met alle respect: "Your logic is flawed"

...  zeer wel mogelijk

> Weet dat ik het ook een uitdagend probleem vind.
> Mijn insteek is wel "Waar gaat het kapot?" (vermoeden: Geen NAT)
>
> Gijs zijn insteek is meer "Hoe krijg ik het werkend?"
>
>
> Als we roepen "Het gaat niet"  komt de mensheid nooit vooruit.

Tja uhm. Beschouw de twee als synonym?

>
>  
>> op de server:
>> 
>> ip -6 route
>> ,
>> | ::1 dev lo proto kernel metric 256 pref medium
>> | 2a01:4f8:200:546b::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 pref medium
>> | fd42:42:42::/64 dev wg0 proto kernel metric 256 pref medium
> Dat komt niet overeen met
>   | Address = 10.93.15.1/24, fc80::b85f:d925:971e:109f/64
> Eventueel wel met  
>   | # alternatief, ook goed: Address = 10.66.66.1/24,fd42:42:42::1/64

Goed gezien. Ik had inmiddels die twee reeksen omgewisseld.

>> | fe80::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 pref medium
>> | default via 

evince cache of recent files?

2021-09-26 Thread Sharon Kimble
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Where does Evince store its memory/cache of recent files that its loaded
in bullseye please? Currently it is only showing the last file, but
under Debian 10 it showed the last 10.

Thanks
Sharon Kimble.
- -- 
Debian 11, fluxbox 1.3.7, emacs 28.0.50, org 9.4.6
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Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Charlie


On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 01:24:59 -0400 Paul Informed me about What
happened to cal?

> Folks:
> 
> I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to
> be a command called "cal" which would simply print this month's
> calendar to the screen. It would do other calendars, depending on
> command line parameters. Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see
> the command nor a package containing it. There is a command "gcal"
> which appears to do the same thing.
> 
> Am I missing something? Was there a separate package called "cal"
> which was automatically installed in earlier versions of Debian? Or
> was there an automatic alias to the gcal program?
> 
> Paul
> 

On Bullseye, still works here.


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unknowable. But there it sits nevertheless, calmly licking its
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Re: Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.

2021-09-26 Thread Keith Bainbridge

Good afternoon

Have you considered backports?


All the best

Keith Bainbridge

keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com
0447 667 468

On 26/9/21 13:30, Martin McCormick wrote:

So, what is the easiest route to end up with a kernel that has
this patch in it?

The image for the current kernel is
4.19.0-5-686-pae




Re: upgrading and stuff

2021-09-26 Thread Tim Woodall

On Sat, 25 Sep 2021, Andy Smith wrote:


Hi,

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 06:22:17PM -0400, songbird wrote:

Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:


[Upgrading from Debian 8.11]


  don't waste any more time trying to upgrade from a version that
ancient.


I've done 8 to 10 (by way of 9) on ten different machines in the
year preceding the 11 release and I didn't find it very difficult or
time-consuming, though admittedly these were servers and those tend
to be less complex than desktops.


Ditto, although not quite that many. The only real issue I've had is the
VM for connecting to IPMI. I had to jump throught hoops to get it
working with buster and every firefox update makes me wince! I'm
probably going to roll back eventually and keep it at a known working,
no patching, version.



Re: What happened to cal?

2021-09-26 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Jeremy Ardley wrote:
> As I recall, there used to be a
> command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to the
> screen. [...]
> Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor
> a package containing it.

It is in the package ncal which obviously was newly introduced as binary
package of source package bsdmainutils
  https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/amd64/ncal/filelist
  https://packages.debian.org/source/bullseye/bsdmainutils

In buster there was only one binary package derived from that source:
  https://packages.debian.org/source/buster/bsdmainutils
  https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/bsdmainutils/filelist


Have a nice day :)

Thomas