Kernel SCSI for Adaptec 1505
First, while subscribed to a number of debian lists, I am not currently subscribed to debian-user so please reply to me or cc me. Thank you. I have tried to build (yet another new kernel) for a machine that has the now usual pri/sec ide and a new Adaptec 1505 scsi card. The card is recognized by the machine's bios. The kernel builds ok and the module is created but will not load. The errors that I get are: modprobe: Can't locate module aha152x.o frodo:/lib/modules/2.2.13/scsi# modprobe aha152x /lib/modules/2.2.13/scsi/aha152x.o: init_module: Device or resource busy /lib/modules/2.2.13/scsi/aha152x.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.2.13/scsi/aha152x.o failed /lib/modules/2.2.13/scsi/aha152x.o: insmod aha152x failed It seems that this is the sort of response that is received when a card is not found but the modules. Anyone have any hints, ideas, etc.? --best, bill
Re: [Debian: Install] In relation to Debian FAQ 9.4
I have NOT used dpkg-split but looking at the man page (man dpkg-split)... You probably want to create a directory (as root): mkdir /var/lib/dpkg/parts Copy the part files from the floppies to this location. If there are MSDOS floppies and you already have mtools then cd /var/lib/dpkg/parts followed by mcopy a:filename . should work. Else you will probably need to mount the floppy disk on the filesystem one at a time and use cp. The command to recreate the package is _probably_: dpkg-split --join file1 file2 file3 (order should not matter) You might be able to use the -o pathfilename option/argument to specify where you want the resulting package file to be written out. In my own reading of the man page it seemed that the --auto command is probably something that you do not want to do. The dpkg-split --join command should reassemble the part to recreate the original package file. dpkg -i pathfilename should install the package. NOW THEN ALL of the above is based upon the idea that you already have a WORKING debian installation on the target machine. I am assuming that that is the case since you were able to use dkpg-split in the first place but I am completely confused (still) as to just what you are trying to do since to have used dpkg-split you would have to have had the original package file! -- To make an installation disk set you need to end up with a small stack of floppies containing resc1440.bin, drv1440.bin, base14.n.bin (currently 9 floppies for the slink distribution). Note that if you have a Linux (or UNIX) system available then the easiest way to do this is to download (or otherwise) get these files on the machine and then use dd to make each floppy: dd of=/dev/fd0 if=[path]filename Otherwise on a DOS box you need the rawrite2.exe program (read rawrite2.txt which should be with the program). The canonical location for all of these files (including rawrite) is debian/dists/slink/main/disks-i386/current/ On Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 07:31:37PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello, I have a question in relation to the Debian FAQ: 9.4 How can I get/install the Debian from a set of floppy disks? I had read the complete FAQ but I do not find a answer. OK, I have splitted a package in smaler parts (dpkg-split) and copied them to three Floppys. Now I want to know, how to install this 3 Floppys on my machine. What must I do with dpkg ??? Must I copy the files first onto my machine and un-split them or...??? Thanks for your help in advance Michelle
Re: How does one activate sound on Slink
This is a case where you most definitely want to read the HOW-TOs! The normal distribution kernels are compiled without sound support. The reasons are probably multiple, such as smaller size but in addition sound hardware is so non-standard that it is probably counter productive to even try to distribute a kernel with sound support compiled in. You need to determine the type of sound card that you have. If yours is a listed card then things will probably go quite smoothly. The generally big problem that most encounter is that the vast majority of compatible cards are only compatible AFTER some sort of DOS based initialization program has been run. With the old legacy cards this _can_ usually be handled by cold booting to DOS followed with a warm boot to Linux. With the PCI and Plug-n-Pray cards I don't think that even that works (OTOH I think that PCI and PnP are also better supported). BE SURE THAT YOU READ THE kernel-source/Documentation text files for sound drivers! Install the kernel source (you probably need around 10 Meg free space). Install the kernel-package: (debian/dists/slink/main/binary-all/misc/kernel-package_6.05.deb) READ the documentation in /usr/doc/kernel-package/ Manjo's README.gz is an outstanding document and will make kernel building a pleasure with the added benefit that the package management system will know about your new kernel and if you follow Manjo's advice then upgrades will not automagically replace your custom kernel. Personally, I strongly recommend that you compile the kernel for modular sound support. For many sound cards you HAVE to have the sound system in modular form (the kernel will fail trying to initialize a PnP sound card, which it trys to do before PnP is initialized). AFAIK there are no sound cards (that can be used under Linux) that can NOT be used as modules so... Note that for some sound cards you may HAVE to use a 2.2.x kernel and that is not a completely trivial upgrade to a slink system. If you do need to run a 2.2.x kernel be sure that you read the notes on the matter on debian.org (updates?). On Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 01:50:31PM -0500, Jor-el wrote: Hi, I wasnt too concerned about audio when I installed Slink. Now, however, I feel the sudden desire to make my machine talk. The only question is how. None of the audio modules required have been installed to disk, and 'modconf' doesnt have any audio drivers listed. The install guide doesnt make any mention of sound. How the heck do I get started? TIA, Jor-el
Re: Can't boot from hard disk
Well since you are grasping at straws... 1. You did _run_ lilo after changing /etc/lilo.conf, yes? 2. What does rdev /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.36 give you? (although your root=/dev/hda1 should over-ride) 3. Should you have the argument compact in your lilo.conf? 4. You don't have one of those BIOSes with a hole in the memory do you? While I have had this sort of thing happen before, rather than try to find out what was wrong I... Tried other resc disks for the installation (this has worked). I have also compiled (on another machine) and installed a new kernel and that worked. The thing that bothers me about this whole problem (yours and the ones that I have experienced) is that I thought that the kernel that gets installed in /boot is the exact same kernel that IS on the resc disk which suggests to me that the problem can not be the kernel itself but must be related to lilo and associated files (experience NOT withstanding). On Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 01:52:33PM -0500, Mark Lawrence wrote: Just installed 2.1 (slink) from cdrom. Boots from floppy OK, but hangs after Loading Linux. The machine is a Pentium 200 with 96 MB of RAM. The master EIDE hd has 6.4 GB and is partitioned like this: device startstopmount point /dev/hda1 1 65 / /dev/hda266 81 swap /dev/hda382 337 /usr /dev/hda5 338 465 /usr/local /dev/hda6 466 784 /home The /etc/lilo.conf looks like this: boot=/dev/hda1 root=/dev/hda1 install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map vga=normal delay=20 image=/vmlinuz label=Linux read-only /vmlinuz is a link to /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.36, which is as it should be. The frustrating thing is I've done this installation on another machine and it's worked just fine. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Mark Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Debian: XFree86] Minimal requirements
Hi Michelle; I don't believe that Linux (any distribution) and XFree will both fit on your ZIP disk. You can not install X without graphic card dependencies. That is, to display X sessions on your computer there must be an xserver that knows how to speak to your graphics hardware. OTOH, you can install as many different xservers on any one machine as you want (though only one is the default). The configuration files for X are in /etc/X11/ (and _might_ have to be different for each of your different machines). NIC's are usually modules and generally other than taking up a little room on the hard drive there is usually no problem with having NIC modules for cards not actually present in the machine. It sounds to me as though you want to do an installation on a machine (to a zip disk?) and then use that same installation on other machines? Doing so is not trivial! During installation a number of things happen that are specific to the machine that the installation is actually occurring on... Hostname and IP address is set as well as some hardware identification. While I have now several times moved either a SCSI or a IDE hard drive from one machine to another (that contained a full, bootable, Linux system) and actually had the target machine work, I believe that there was a _lot_ of luck involved! On Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 02:56:15PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello, It is possible to install Debian 2.1 and XFree86 on a LS-120/ZIP-Disk without any grapic card depencies ??? I like to use the installation on different computers with different graphic cards. Possible with different NIC's too. Thanks in advance Webmistress Michelle -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: a quick scsi question
While thinking in terms of absorbing is probably not too bad an idea, it is also misleading. The terminating resistors do indeed absorb energy (as does any shunting resistance). The SCSI bus terminating resistance is the same as the Thin-net coaxial cable ethernet termination. The problem is that when an electrical pulse is imposed upon a transmission line (the wire that the bus is of), the pulse will reflect (or bounce back) from the ends of the cable unless the cable appears to be of infinite length (which is what the termination does). The reflected pulses themselves might bounce from the opposite end if the cable is not terminated properly there either. The problem is that these reflected pulses arrive at various points along the cable at times later than the original pulses (determined by the travel time along the cable). They can (and do) interfere with valid pulses present at any point on the cable and of course there is no way for hardware to determine which pulses are valid and which are reflected. The matter is a bit more complex than this as the signal level at any point along the cable is the algebraic sum of the instantaneous pulse intensities of all of the pulses present at that instant (and the pulses reflect either in phase (with respect to polarity) or out of phase depending upon whether the termination impedance (resistance) is higher or lower than the cable's impedance. On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 04:39:26PM -0500, Paul Miller wrote: Aaron Solochek wrote: This is not debian specific, but I figure someone on this list will know the answer. Now I know you are supposed to terminate the end of each scsi chain, but whats the difference between any of the plugs on the chain? its just a ribbon cable, so wouldn't it be ok if you terminate _any_ device on the chain, so long as you only terminate one? I don't see how there is any electrical difference between the plugs. As long as you terminate the last device on the chain as not to starve other devices further down. It is generally practiced to have the termination found at the end of the cable (either the cable or device attached), but I don't see why you could not termintate in the middle. Remember that the terminator is absorbing the signal so that it will not bounce back on the cable to cause interferance. If you were to terminate as such SCSI card Terminated Tape Drive UnTerminated SCSI HD The hard drive could not communicate with the SCSI card in your computer as the Tape Drive would absorb the signal going both ways. Hope this helps, -- Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Potato
I have been using potato for many months on a couple of machines but unfortunately they have NOT been upgraded since the perl changes. The machines have NOT crashed even once in many months of operation. One has a 2.2.5, another a 2.2.6, and yet another a 2.2.10 kernel. On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 04:39:06PM -0700, Account for Debian group mail wrote: Anyone using the Potato release on a machine that needs to be up. How stable is it at this point? Thanks, Ken Rea -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: kernel panic while mounting root fs
Andrew; I suppose that my first thought would be to BIOS differences... Have you already checked for memory holes and shadow memory? What is the size difference between the two kernels? While I am ignorant of the majority of the differences between 2.0- and 2.2- kernels is there any chance that a change in the handling of the disk geometry by the BIOS affects the 2.2 kernel where the 2.0 might ignore the change? On Fri, Jul 23, 1999 at 12:51:33AM -0500, Andrei Ivanov wrote: I just had to replace a motherboard in my Linux box (floppy controller went bad) and now, for some reason, when I'm trying to boot my 2.2.10 kernel, I get kernel panic while mounting root fs. I can't reproduce the exact message right now, but it seems that while booting it's doing a normal partition check and fails then. However, I can boot my 2.0.36 kernel off the boot disk without a single problem (yet, I might get some headaches because I can not recompile the 2.0.36 kernel since I switched to 2.2.10) Any idea why 2.2.10 panics and 2.0.36 boots? TIA, Andrew -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: apt-get: upgrade one package to particular version?
I too am woefully ignorant of apt... You should not need however to put on hold any package installed using dpkg if the package that was obtained is a later release than listed in the available. I have done this nearly countless times without ever using hold and no problem has ever come up. On Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 10:04:00PM -, Pollywog wrote: On 22-Jul-99 Carl Fink wrote: apt-get --install icewm should be all you need to do. No, actually it isn't, since that would install the version in *stable*. That's what I have installed now. What I'd like to do is install the version in *unstable*, without changing all my other packages to the unstable version. I don't know if there is a way to do that with apt-get, so I have just downloaded the packages and installed them manually and then put the packages on hold just to be safe. -- Andrew -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Setting up Debian with sound
Someone has posted a sequence of steps to use the build a kernel and in looking them over they do appear correct however... Install the kernel build package called kernel-package (in slink it is debian/dists/slink/main/binary-i386/misc/kernel-package_6.05.deb for the PC). This package is THE way to build kernels for a debian system and provides many advantages! On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 08:15:25PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the docs, it appears that my sound card has a good chance of working. I'm going to give compiling the kernel a shot (since I don't have spare $ lying around). I'm going to try to find the kernel package on my Debian CD. I haven't found any reference to RTFineM in the documentation. You mentioned it in your initial response. Please let me know what I need to do in that regard. Thanks, Steve
Re: Diald auth problem documentation
The reason that you should not remove the auth option in the ppp/options file is that any and every upgrade will overwrite your changes. The proper location for the noauth entry is in the /etc/ppp/peers/ provider (or whatever name you are using for the particular provider with whom you are trying to establish a ppp connection). On Wed, Jul 21, 1999 at 02:24:10PM +0200, Florian 'Papa Flo' Streck wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Michael Merten wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 12:13:57PM +0200, Robert-Jan Kuijvenhoven wrote: ... It does work when I remove auth from the /etc/ppp/options file, but the man pages say that I should not do this. Can anyone tell me how to solve this problem? ... in /etc/diald there's a config file (don't remember the name). You can add a line like: ppp-options noauth ... While this is the Solution to the actual Problem, why does the manpage say not to do it? As I remember the manpage says that the noauth would lead to incompatibilities in future versions of diald. Is this Information still correct? This brings me to another Problem, the Information that Newbies get. There are many manpages and other pieces of documentation that contain information that is no longer correct. Is there anyone updating the documentation? Or this only a Problem with Packages that have no maintainer? Florian Streck eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Lynx Problems
I'm in danger of displaying and attitude here... I use netscape but consider it to be the worst piece of software that I have on any Linux box of mine. GUI web browsers that I have used on Linux are all junk in my opinion! Lynx OTOH is a typical UNIX program. I have never seen Lynx crash, hang, or fail in any way and have never heard anyone else claim that it has for them. Lynx help is VERY good. The help and keystroke pages are treated just like any other web page except that there is no waiting for a response! For all the years that I have used Lynx, I have to admit that so far I have not even scratched the capability of that program. You can search the help pages with /key string which can be quite handy. Probably the biggest problem for people used to netscape type browsers is that Lynx with do everything that they do (sans waste bandwidth downloading huge, and usually useless, graphic images) and a whole lot more but things are done in a different way. On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 08:07:11AM +0200, Gerhard Kroder wrote: Doug Young wrote: Does anyone know of a real basic web browser thats simple to setup configure. I am fast running out of patience with lynx due to its virtually useless documentation and excessively complicated config file. you are thinking in terms of netscape or similar? why don't you just install it? gerhard -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Mail prgs (exim)
Well, that is because exim (nor sendmail, smail, etc.) does not do POP2/3 (or IMAP). The MTAs (exim, etc.) use SMTP or the UNIX pipe to process mail. To pick up mail from an ISP when you are an intermittent connection calls for a protocol such as POP and that function is supplied by another program such as fetchmail. Be sure to look at the ISP-HOWTO as this document does an excellent job of explaining the basics of how all of these protocols work and what has to happen... and why. Saying that your are on DHCP And ... PCMCIA and not on a ppp-based connection is something like saying that I walk to work but do not eat carrots! _Some_ ISPs _might_ grant you SMTP service for _delivery_ of messages to you but I suspect that in your situation they probably will not. The problem for the ISP is that 1) you do not always have the same IP address and 2) if you are not running 24/7 then your mail can be delayed or rejected just because your machine was not available at the instant that the ISP tried to deliver (rejection would require a number of occurrence). Intermittently available computers are a royal pain for ISPs when trying to use SMTP to deliver. I suspect that with dynamic addressing the ISP would also have to do some rather exotic configuring and probably give up some safety features built into most MTAs. On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 10:27:41AM -0400, Sera Hill wrote: Well, I'm not sure how the config works for exim. When it asks me for information, I'm not sure just *what* it's asking me for? Like the local hosts thing, and the relay-mail thing. And exim never once asks for the POP3 Server Domain or the username/pass combo that'd be needed if it were to connect to my POP3 acct. -Sera The Newbie Hill -Original Message- Well, I'm not on a ppp-based connection. I'm on DHCP. And I'm on a PCMCIA Ethernet card. I can ftp and run apt fine. I can also ping people. But I can't get e-mail (just realized to go to freshmeat.org get install-sendmail (thanks Marshal)) to work that one. Netscape is being annoying. I'm going to try re-installing the deb pkg. -- You might consider exim instead of sendmail. It is MUCH easier to configure. You could always change later. There are several other mail progs besides. One that I have heard good things about is postillion (though I have not tried it). These are both installable with apt. You should probably have fetchmail and procmail from debian also.
Re: PPPuzzles
This is true but also please try to appreciate the nature and the magnitude of the problem. Almost every distribution of Linux (and for that matter UNIX) have critical differences in the fine details of how certain tasks are accomplished. There is almost NO task that has only one right way to be accomplished. The HOWTOs are written to attempt to cover a topic but the author's know that for every exact detail that they provide that there is (at least possibly) a distribution that should not use their method and even configurations that are using the same distribution that they use that should be done differently. Add to that the fact that each distribution release has some changes to how things are handled and well... While far from a UNIX guru, my sysadm experience with ATT SVR4 actually got me into quite a bit of trouble with debian at first. I was changing things that I was used to changing under SVR4 and having almost every upgrade change them back (I was editing things that I should not touch under debian--there is a different, and IMHO better way in debian). One of the toughest things about Linux, I think, for people coming from a non-UNIX background is that in Linux you are dealing with the raw stuff. When you install the basic Linux distro you have a machine that, at least software wise, is capable of being an ISP, an enterprise server, a workstation, whatever. The ability to do just about anything (short of realtime applications-- and even that is being worked on) that can be done by a computer or group of computers, a potential that exists in all Linux distributions that I know of, means that setup and configuration will be complex. The popular distributions such as Debian, SuSE, Caldera, RedHat, etc. do try to ease the difficulty by providing some default choices that automagically rule out some of the more esoteric configurations. OTOH this is no easy task as their market is highly varied. When they make choices that make it very difficult for a power user to make needed configuration decisions (by simplifying the available choices) they then risk loosing the people that may contribute the most technically to their development efforts as well as drive away the very users that might be quantity buyers. I know that this does not help with the problem that you are decrying but I can only suggest that 1) you hang in there, 2) remember that there are many people willing to try to help, and 3) A lot of newbies have made substantial contributions to such documents as the HOWTOs by patiently determining what confused them in a document and then respectfully submitting their own suggestions for improvement to the author (most almost beg for such input). On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 04:47:33PM +1000, Doug Young wrote: If anyone who is actually involved in writing documentation PLEASE take this stuff on board because if even one elementary (to an expert) item is overlooked it causes untold frustration to the less experienced ! If anything, I am swamped with manuals. Sometimes they help, sometimes they don't, but much of the time the writers of all these docs, HOWTOs, guides, and READMEs are so steeped in the subject that they overlook the elementary statements that beginners like me need. The exim specs doc, for instance, tells me that exim is best suited for computers that are permanently connected to the internet. Only after reading your message was I certain that this basically means always online. I don't intend to be connected continuously; my ISP provides SMTP for my outgoing mail and POP3 for incoming (also NNTP for news)-- so maybe, as Jason suggested, for my pedestrian purposes something like Netscape would be better than exim, the complete guide for which is HUMUNGOUS. I have only limited free time to school myself in Linux, so for now I'm hoping to get internet operational (on a spare computer) in the simplest way possible, then explore the full use of Debian as time allows. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: poff quesition.....
Yes; but /usr/local/bin should precede /usr/bin and /bin. On Sat, Jul 17, 1999 at 02:49:29PM -0600, David Karlin wrote: Better write your own poff version, which does the stuff you want and then calls poff and place it into /usr/local/bin. If you change poff directly, the changes will be gone with the next upgrade of ppp. Ciao, Martin If my path (root) is: /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/loca/bin and my path (user) is: /sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin, wouldn't the original, /usr/bin/poff, be called instead of my new version, /usr/local/bin/poff? --D -- === David Karlin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://funk48.home.travelin.com Powered by Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 === -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: 3rd Call for help - Lost network card after Potato Upgrade
Hi Doug; I would suggest that you do through the debian-user and debian-devel message archive lists (ie: on debian.org). You have probably been hit by the perl problem. An apt-get upgrade may or may not (at this point) bring things to a sane point. Those of us that are using potato in production machines are very careful about doing upgrades... same was true for hamm and slink. During various stages of the development an otherwise stable beta can suddenly break very badly (this is of course WHY they are called beta releases). Part of your problem is that because perl is so critical to the package management system, a change in perl can easily break your system in strange ways. Even error messages can be quite misleading at such times. By reading through the great many postings about this subject you should be able to get a feel for the nature of your problems and hopefully either see the solution(s) yourself or at least be able to better focus your questions. Personally I probably can't help you beyond these suggestions because at this moment I do not have any current beta machines.
Re: Procmail and Pine
If you are using exim you can edit /etc/exim.conf and insert:
In the TRANSPORTS CONFIGURATION section:
procmail_pipe
driver = pipe
command = /usr/bin/procmail -d ${local_part}
In the DIRECTORS CONFIGURATION section:
procmail:
driver = localuser
transport = procmail_pipe
I _believe_ that in this instance (where procmail is run from within
exim that procmail will use a procmailrc file in /root and then a
.procmailrc file in the home directory of the user for whom the mail
is destined.
This scheme allow procmail to handle both sorting of mail from a single
source (ie: an ISP POP account) to different users based upon whatever
criteria the sysadm chooses as well as sorting of a single users
mail to separate folders (based upon whatever rules that user might
want to use (and includes copying, forwarding, etc.).
On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 at 02:38:57PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Mark Wagnon wrote:
Does anyone have any other procmail sources that I can look at?
Here is my .forward (I use exim with procmail. I believe the same can be
done with exim alone, but I have not tried it):
#|IFS=' ' exec /usr/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #jhspies
|/usr/bin/procmail
and one of the files (shortened) in my .procmail directory:
# The next recipe will split up Digests into their individual messages.
# Don't do this if you use a global lockfile before this recipe (deadlock)
:0
* ^Subject:.*debian-user-digest
|formail +1 -d -s debian
:0:
* ^TOdebian
debian
:0:
* ^CCpgsql
pygres
:0:
* ^FROMglug
glug
Johann
Re: Re-installation
Hi Max; Happy to hear that you got things working. I can tell you that I have certainly turned the air blue a few times while trying to do something with Linux/Unix (mostly with Unix come to think of it). One of the biggest and most frustrating things that you will likely experience in the Linux world is that the documentation and the software will constantly be out of sync. There are several reasons for this. One is that documents such as the HOWTOs are a snapshot view of one (or more) Linux distributions and Linux changes rapidly. Another is that all of the distributions differ from each other in various ways. A difficult but often useful idea to keep in mind is that when reading just about anything that purports to tell you how to accomplish some task, it is the concepts that are most important. The actual step that should be taken may be handled in different ways by different distributions and even by different releases of a particularly distribution. Unlike another popular OS for the PC hardware, the biggest problem with Linux is that there is a huge amount of documentation starting with the ultimate authority -- the source code itself. On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 10:41:18PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To All: Btw, I finally did get my Debian 2.1.8 to re-install. It was, as some of you suggested, a problem involving the proper initialization and mounting of dev/hda5. It seems that when you have another OS on hda1 (DOS drive C; bootable), as I do, and three Linux partitions with only hda2 (root) and hda3 (swap) designated as primary (with hda5 as an extended), you must depart from the default installation sequence in order to properly mount /usr on hda5. At any rate, when I did that, the little sucker finally installed the base system. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. So, now I'm back to the problem of my modem. Oh, well.-- Max
Re: unable to install - new user
Read the installation HOWTOs! One suggestion that I can think of is that there are machines with BIOS related problems. The installation HOWTO tells you about some BIOS setting that might cause problems. Note that some of these problem may only affect some kernel versions and configurations. Also trying the alternate rescue disks would be a good idea (ie: tecra, etc.) Finally, you also might try removing any unnecessary circuit boards (at least for the initial installation). And no you are probably NOT doing something stupid. As much as PCs are touted as being standard that claim redefines the term! On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 08:32:35AM +0200, Jesus Vinyas wrote: Hallo experts on Linux, Not with a lot of experience (i had rh6 running on a 486) , but with a lot of interest i decided to install Debian on a P166 with motherboard VX Pro+, 32 M Ram ( 16 EDO + 16 Fast Page ), with 1 Hd of 1,2 Gb (also i tried with one of 170 Mb HD, other of 400 Mb,etc.) I tried with blanks/dos formated Hd, with Ms-dos 6.2, under W95, well, at less 20 different combinations, i read all Howto i find.. But -- always -- when instalation starts after booting kernel writes no more than 3/5 lines (i have not time to read it), and the machine reboots, and again goes to the instalation, in other cases stop after booting kernel and dont move more. I'm sure i'm doing something stupid, but i dont know what ¡¡. Any idea. any idea, thks
Re: automagic ftp sessions?
As usual, there is more than one way to do things in Unix/Linux... Have you looked at cron? (man cron) crontab -l lists any current cron job schedules and crontab -e allows you to edit the crontab (cron table). Basically, you would write a script to do the ftp operation, mark the script as executable using chmod, and then make a crontab entry to schedule execution of the script when and as often as you desire. On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 11:34:45PM -0600, David Karlin wrote: Hello, I'm running slink and would like to automate an ftp session to upload a file to a remote server. I've been reading a Unix book which says that the redirector is usful for this, but no details or example are given. I've also experimented with the macro function within ftp, but have been unable to set up macros which are available the next time I run ftp. Seems they last only for one session. Anyone care to shed some light? TIA,
Re: Why is Windows faster ?
No flames to you:-) My personal experience differs from yours. However, recognize that X is a network GUI as opposed to Windowz which is an integral GUI. Even on a single workstation X is running as a client/server model. Essentially every keystroke, mouse event, screen draw action, etc. must traverse all but about two layers of the OSI model. So the amazing thing is that X performance is so comparible to Windoz. On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 02:10:59PM +0200, Sami Dalouche wrote: I've searched a lot but can't find why is windows faster concerning the graphics. First, I'm sure, it's for the drivers : windows has optimised drivers and my ATI [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4MB under Linux isn't as good as a poor old S3v 1 or 2 Mb. BTW, if anyone has found how to configure X so that the ATI driver is really accelerated, I'm really interessed. But, I tried with an S3 GX AGP, which seems to be supported well (Aren't the S3 the better supported ?) and I think always that X isn't as fluid as Windoze. Opening windows, dialogs under gnome, KDE or something else doesn't give the same impress that under Windows. And before answering 'Ah ! I don't think that. My X is as fluid as Windows or even better on my P233 + 48MB', please try rebooting under Windows. Spend an half hour under X and the same time under Windows opening Windows, dialogs, apps... and report me what you think. Try seeing films under Xanim and under Windows Media Player and you will maybe see the difference. Please don't flame me, I just want to know if it's normal, if it will be arranged or if it's just a configuration I didn't made. -- |. ICQ : 25529539 || |\ | | | \ / AIM : linhax |___ | | \| |__| / \ IRC nick : linhax Sami Dalouche : [EMAIL PROTECTED]DHIS : pingoo.dhis.org -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Thanks
Hi Max; Yes, if you want to use /dev/hda5 as the /usr directory then you must choose to initialize another partition during the installation otherwise all of the files normally destined for /usr (quite a few) will be copied to /usr on the root filesystem. If you were to later initialize /dev/hda5 and then mount it on /usr all of the existing files in /usr become hidden and are unavailable to the system. While it is possible to copy the contents of root's /usr to the new partition first it is not even close to as trivial a proceedure as it might seem.
Re: host info missing
Peter; Don't know what is going on with your machines but (at least) two of my potato based machine DO have the host information present for logins from remote machines. On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 04:29:15PM +1200, Peter Dobcsanyi wrote: Hi, After I moved from 'slink' to 'potato' I have noticed that the host information from the output of 'w', 'who' and 'last' is gone. For example 'who' gives $ who peter:0 Jun 23 16:44 peterpts/0Jun 23 16:44 (:0.0) peterpts/1Jun 23 16:45 but the last line represents a remote login and on a 'slink' machine it looks something like this: peterpts/1Jun 23 16:45 (dx1.scitec.auckland.ac.nz) I could not figure out what's the problem. Could somebody help me with this? Thanks Peter
Re: debian-user split
Hi George! Been awhile! Nice to see that you are still around and still providing the wonderful, thoughtful and kind assistance that I remember from the past! As a contrary comment... IF newbie question could be directed to a newbie group then I believe that the suggestion would be useful. Many people that are new to debian yet have already gone through the initial stuff (like learning the basics of dpkg and dselect) would be more than happy to help those just starting (and thus reduce the load on others). The problem with the idea that I see is that I perceive that it is unlikely that people that are new to Linux/Unix in general and debian specifically will post to a newbie group and not to user. I believe that one of the major problems in this area is that even experienced Unix people might have problems deciding what is appropriate to newbie and what is appropriate to user. I believe that it is easy for one to not realize that a problem has a debian specific solution even after a lot of debian experience. Personally I would be delighted if such an arrangement would work out as after subscribing to user again for only a couple of days I am already considering unsubscribing due to the astonishing volume of traffic! On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 01:08:14PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: This subject comes up every couple of months. The problem is that for a split to be useful, people would need to subscribe to both lists so splitting them accomplishes nothing. If only newbies subscribe to debian-newbies, there are no experianced uses to help and it becomes a case of newbies leading newbies. It also slows their advancement from newbie status to advanced user because it would limit their exposure to advanced concepts and procedures. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: win98 and samba
Chris; I upgraded a machine and installed a new win98 on my network. No special action on the Linux side was required. I suppose that I should say NO action of any kind was required on the Linux side of things (the new machine had been defined before it was added). I do use encrypted passwords. On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 07:35:19PM -0400, Chris Hoover wrote: Is there anything special I have to setup to allow win98 to access my samba shares? It keeps failing to authenticate my password. I tried turning on encrypted passwords, but that did not seem to work. The encrypted passwords gave me the no permission to access resource error. This was all working fine under win95. Thanks, chris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Basic networking
I have purchased several hub kits at 100Mb that sold for the same price as 10Mb kits (same number of ports/same brand). I suspect that from a manufacturing standpoint that the 10Meg stuff is obsolete. OTOH I still agree with you in that there is no point in paying a premium for a 100Meg hub for typical 3 computer networks (though even that consideration should consider how the machines will be used with fileserver use pressing for the higher speed link). Nothing scientific of course but my own impressing doing NFS installs over both 10 and 100Mb links is that while the 100Mb is noticably faster it sure isn't anywhere even close to ten times faster. Slower machines may have to have a special option compiled into the kernel to make the link work reliabily (even for 10Mb much less 100). On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 07:17:11AM -0400, Ipswitch wrote: On 5 Jul 1999, Gary L. Hennigan wrote: I'm going to be setting up a small 100Mb home network soon and I'd Why 100Mb? 10 is fast enough for most uses and is actually faster than most machines can push bits out the interface.
Re: E-mail for dummies - part 2
Exim does permit header manipulations including rewrite.
Re: [off topic] Mail with no destination?
But Art, what I am talking about is a message with _NO_ headers even so much as hinting at the _destination_ for the message. Fetchmail, errored out (rightfully so as far as I am concerned) because is was presented with a message that had no destination! I say 'rightfully so' since it is pretty obvious that fetchmail knows that exim has no way to determine what to do with the message. Actually, I think that fetchmail errored out because there was no valid from:, sender, reply to:, etc. headers. I am assuming here that fetchmail actually was 'not concerned' that there was no addressee of any sort but instead was concerned that there was no way to 'bounce' this particular message so it just plain refused to accept it (effectively blocking my ability to retrieve mail from the ISP). I have not yet received any (meaningful) response from my ISP but I really do want to know how a message that has no destination headers of any sort could possibly have ended up in my mail account! On Sun, May 17, 1998 at 01:54:59PM -0500, Art Lemasters wrote: Bill said: I am assuming that there must still be enough 'broken' mail servers out there that it is still possible to move mail that is not RFC compliant but I am totally mystified as to how a message that has no destination can be forwarded by any mail server!? Has anyone else seen anything like this (ie: No destination header at all)? I received a spam ad that bragged about the same thing you saw, but there _was_ a source IP address. It would be fun to have a script to automate the process of tracing, WAIS-ing and bouncing such mail. ...remember the time someone on the list sent us a mail that was *to our domain root and from our domain root* (back around Feb or Mar when we were tangling with smail From headers)? Now that was a class act! ;-) Art -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dselect oddities
Manjo; I am interpreting what you are saying as meaning that _every time_ I run dselect, I have to choose hold (=) to prevent dselect from upgrading automagically. Now since I KNOW that this is not correct, ie: I frequently run dselect and I do not 'rechoose' hold to prevent updating what I asked dselect not to upgrade in a previous session. Due to a few 'surprises' that resulted in something akin to panic here in early April (the 'frantic' time of the U.S. 'tax season'), I have chosen NOT to allow dselect to do any upgrades from frozen without my explicit choice. This 'decision' seems to be 'sticky' and dselect has 'honored' my request through numerous seperate invokations. I will admit that 1: I am NOT certain that I have NOT had priority 'required' packages added since I selected 'hold' and 2: I am not certain that dselect's operation was the same under 'bo' but I think that it was. I most definately have 'updated' the package list several times since making that choice and dselect has yet to 'surprise' me by installing something that I did not explicitly select. BTW, if this is a 'voting' issue (and even if it is not), I do feel that dselect's defaults are appropriate. Both with a 'bo' system and up until about a month before the freeze of hamm, I was quite happy to have dselect automagically perform upgrades. I also fully expect that I will again be happy with that behaviour when hamm moves from 'frozen' to 'stable'. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Re: dselect oddities
Steve, it is not unreasonable to want dselect (or apt) to be configurable such that you can choose to have it not do anything that you do not explicitely request it to do. I have maintained a partial mirror of debian for quite some time now and still would find it handy if dselect were to have a mode such as I believe that you are suggesting. Having said that however... It really does work pretty well 'as is' to satisfy that request. It was designed to 'maintain' the system in as simple a fashion as such a complex issue can be managed. Although I admit to now being in the If it ain't broke, don't fix it! mode myself (while hamm is in frozen), I do not personally subscribe to that philosophy. The 'pain' of delaying upgrading to repair bugs can be considerable and particularly in the case for Debian, a package upgrade rarely breaks itself or anything else. Even during 'hamm' development, my own experience was that it was very rare that an upgrade run would break anything (until hamm went into 'frozen'). To me, it does not make much sense for dselect to require (possibly) hundreds of operations to preform an upgrade of the system to current levels. Even if an option were designed in to allow a selection of the default behaviour (automagic upgrade or NO-automagic upgrade) AND a single key operation to reverse the default, I still would expect that the 'shipping' default would be to upgrade. Steve Lamb wrote: On 16 May 1998 00:22:29 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Steve Exactly. I have been giving constructive critism and in return Steve I have been getting a flippant attitude of It isn't that many Steve ketstrokes. In fact, one person has said that if the Steve situation were reverse he(?)'d find it unacceptable yet is Steve asking that I find it acceptable that I must do what he would Steve not if things were reversed. That happens not to be the case. If the reverse were true: that all packages were held be default, and I had to do two ops to turn them t be upgraded. I would do it. If I had to release them one by one, that would be unacceptable. For gods sake, read before you flame. I did. I asked you if the reverse were true, if you had to select what you wanted to upgrade, would you find it unaccetable. You said you would. What part of my statement above does not conform to that? I can go back and quote from the exact messages, if you like. It wasn't a flame, it was fact. -- Steve C. Lamb | Opinions expressed by me are not my http://www.calweb.com/~morpheus| employer's. They hired me for my ICQ: 5107343 | skills and labor, not my opinions! ---+- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[off topic] Mail with no destination?
I had my first 'fetchmail failure'. Fetchmail error-ed out when retrieving mail from my ISP night before last. The fetchmail error was something along the lines of no valid domain name for sender. Upon starting netscape and configuring it to POP mail from my ISP, I let netscape pull down the errant message and the remaining messages on the ISP. When I looked at the full headers in the errant message there not only was no domain name for the sender but there was no header of any kind for the originator of the message. I thought that was strange until I also realized that there was not ANY sort of destination header. In other words, in examining the headers provided no clue as to not only who originated the message but who was supposed to receive the message (not even a 'TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' sort of thing). I am assuming that there must still be enough 'broken' mail servers out there that it is still possible to move mail that is not RFC compliant but I am totally mystified as to how a message that has no destination can be forwarded by any mail server!? Has anyone else seen anything like this (ie: No destination header at all)? -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install problem - kernel problems with Adaptec 2740 EISA card
I had essentially the same symptoms with an Adaptec 2840 (I believe that is the correct model number). I did try a kernel compiled with only the AIC7XXX SCSI support and had no change in symptom. I tried the 1.3.1 disks and the hamm disks (the aic7xxx only kernel disk was tried only with the hamm installation attempt). I did this only over a weekend as the machine was needed for a Wind-blows task and was unable to pursue the problem any further. I did try several different hd's ranging from a very old Micropolis, only slightly newer CDC, a reasonably new quantum, to a brand new Maxtor. Again, with no change in symptoms. Since Bob's experience is almost identical to mine, I see some 'comfort' in the idea that there probably IS a solution besides replacing the scsi host adapter! On Thu, May 07, 1998 at 02:12:13PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Thu, 7 May 1998, Bob McGowan wrote: [snip] : Initially, the kernel would find the 2740 cards, download sequencer : code, reset the bus (3 times, once for each card), do a few other : things (qlogicisp probe and eata-dma probe) and panic with the message : Encounterd spurious interrupt. I checked the EISA config for the : cards and found they were set to level trigger on the interrupts, : changed this to edge trigger. The kernel then reports 3 spurious : interrupts (1 per card, I presume), then aborts some scsi command due to : timeout, resets the scsi bus, then enter an endless loop timeing out and : resetting. The abort message is aborting command due to timeout: pid0, : scsi0, channel0, id0, lun0 Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00. Have you tried a rescue disk with a kernel that has ONLY AIC7XXX SCSI support? Most 2740s are pretty touchy about being probed by other drivers. I haven't used my 486 VLB w/2740 for a long time (new toys) but I can break it out of retirement to do some testing .. If you need a kernel compiled, let me know. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supressing duplicate email
There are several. Be aware that there is a condition where you can loose mail using the 'supress duplicate email' scripts (mentioned in the man pages for procmail IIRC). On Thu, May 07, 1998 at 11:21:23AM -0700, Mike Schmitz wrote: Does anyone have a procmail recipe to supress duplicate email? (Useful when subscribed to more than one Debian list). -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with ppp-2.3.3-5 and authentication
Sorry about the delay in responding James, we had a 'significant' storm roll through yesterday... I don't know the mechanism for how the authentication actually takes place for PAP but it looks to me as though you are either asking for or giving the 'null string' as a password for any user at hostname. The format for the entries is (AFAIK): user hostname secret [ip address(es)] From the ppp manpage, it looks as though there are several ways that figuring out the correct hostname for the remote system could get fouled up. Also, user could either be from the 'user' option or just be the hostname of your system. I don't think that there is any interaction between PAP or CHAP and your account password (as in /etc/passwd). On Thu, May 07, 1998 at 04:17:11PM +1100, James Whitwell wrote: On 6/5/98 1:18 AM Bill Leach wrote: My question would be, if Mr. Whitwell's machine is using PAP, are the entries in the ppp/pap-secrets file correct? AFAIK for the PAP authentication to work (I don't use PAP but have used CHAP), the Username, password, and IP address (or address range) have to match. [Mr. Whitwell speaks] I think they're OK. In /etc/ppp/pap-secrets I have: *hostname which the installation script put in, and which I haven't changed (hostname is, of course, the name of the machine being dialed-up). Do you mean 'dialing in' to this machine or being 'dialed-up' BY this machine? (I originally thought the former, also supported by the following lines) I basically haven't changed anything from the default mgetty and ppp install. In /etc/ppp/options, I uncommented an ms-dns line and added our DNS. I copied /etc/options.ttyXX to /etc/ppp/options.ttyS1 and changed it to read hostname:serial-port-ip. Both of these are in our DNS. In /etc/mgetty/login.config I have: /AutoPPP/ - a_ppp /usr/sbin/pppd auth -chap +pap login which is unchanged from the installation (I don't seem to be having any problems with mgetty in any case). The client machines (that dial the Linux box) are a mix of Mac (running OT/PPP 1.0.1) and Windows 95 machines. Both have worked before with the previous ppp (I think it was 2.2.0-f-mumblemumble). Can anyone see anything that I've missed. I'd be thankful for any further comments anyone can make. The only thing that I can see that appears wrong to me is that there actually is no secret in your pap-secrets file. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to set up headless machine?
Of course the machine's own ROMs determine if it can even boot without a keyboard (that is not AFAIK not a Linux issue). Given that you can boot without a keyboard, then all you have to do is set up to run a 'getty' type daemon on the serial port. Amiga computers (m68k) for example will boot without keyboard or monitor (or mouse) connected without problem. There are several that I run that way all of the time (configured with Debian Linux or even SVR4). Though in my case, I am login in via ethernet but the principal is the same and indeed there are some advantages to getty over ethernet (though speed is NOT one of them). On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 03:17:07PM -0700, Stuart Marshall wrote: Hi, I need to set up a debian/linux PC for use without a keyboard or monitor. The frozen distribution is already installed and it has an ethernet connection. Ages ago I saw info on running a serial console and I was hoping to do that. I have a second machine which has a spare serial port. I have searched the FAQs and HOWTO's in /usr/doc but I can't find any references for doing this. Can someone point the way to the docs for headless machines. thanks very much, Stuart -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: crt1.o problem
I show crt1.o in '/usr/lib' and in '/usr/i486-linuxlibc/'. and: bash-2.01$ dpkg -S crt1.o libc5-altdev: /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/crt1.o libc6-dev: /usr/lib/crt1.o (deleted lines where 'crt1.o' was a substring) On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 06:27:20AM +0700, Michael Acklin wrote: Hello, I am having a problem compiling some of my programs and they all complain about not finding crt1.o. I have done a find . -name crt1.o -print on my system and can not find that file. I had a crash last week and did a full restore of my system from a backup the day prior to the crash. Now when i try to compile the same programs that I had compiled prior to the crash, they all complain about the same file. It will say ln - crt1.o, file or directory not found. Does any one know what package this file is in so I can reinstall the package? I was thinking it was the libc5 libraries, as I am running Debian 1.3, Linux 2.029 kernel. Thought it might be one of the C Run Time files, but why the restore program didn't restore it is beyond me. Didn't want to reinstall everything until I checked with y'all as I have a lot of respect for this group and have always been able to get answers to many questions, even if I don't ask them. I get a lot of information from others that ask. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Mike Mike Acklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Home) Debian Newbie (Please bear with me!) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet from Windows/NT thru Linux
The file '/etc/init.d/netbase' has the commands for setting up you IP-Masquerading. The defaults that I have seen are always to deny. I have looked and not found any reference to a configuration tool so I just added the necessary commands directly to the file. In any event, check what you currently permit with 'ipfwadm -l -F' (also -I and -O) On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:46:29PM +, iquest wrote: Hi, I'm connecting to internet through PPP dialup. I've recompiled the kernel with all IP-Masquerade and configured one of my NT4.0 box as described in the IP-Masquerade Mini-HOWTO and it did not work. My Linux box has the IP address: 192.168.188.2 My NT4.0 has IP address: 192.168.188.4 I can ping/ftp between machines without any problem. Here is an ls /proc/net on my linux box -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 arp -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:43 dev -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 igmp -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 ip_autofw -rw-r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 ip_forward -rw-r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 ip_input -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 ip_masq_app -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 ip_masquerade -rw-r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 ip_output -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 raw -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 route -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 rt_cache -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 snmp -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 sockstat -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 tcp -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 udp -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 unix -r--r--r-- 1 root root0 May 4 23:21 wireless My /etc/modules ntfs tulip ip_masq_ftp ip_masq_raudio ip_masq_irc ip_masq_cuseeme ip_masq_vdolive ip_masq_quake Ben Pfaff wrote: I'm currently connecting to the internet from the Debian/Linux box. I'd like to know how would I go about access the internet from other PCs (windows/nt) which are on the same network as my Linux box. You should probably mention whether you are accessing the internet through PPP dialup or through Ethernet. Once you tell us, we can help you a lot more readily. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Timothy C. Phan Intelligence Quest Research, INC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with ppp-2.3.3-5 and authentication
Well Art don't feel too silly, what you said is essentially correct (except for the chatscript stuff of course). The ppp protocol does not itself have a 'host/user' concept, it is a peer to peer protocol. In practice there typically are differences when PAP or CHAP are involved but again the difference is in the practice and not in the protocol. 'Hosts', in practice, do not normally authenticate themselves _to_ the dial-in machine. My question would be, if Mr. Whitwell's machine is using PAP, are the entries in the ppp/pap-secrets file correct? AFAIK for the PAP authentication to work (I don't use PAP but have used CHAP), the Username, password, and IP address (or address range) have to match. If the user's machine is also setup to expect PAP authorization then he must also have a second line for that 'secrets pair' or tell the user to disable requiring authorization. On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:59:57PM -0500, Art Lemasters wrote: Mr. Whitwell just informed me that he is looking for an answer from the *host* point of view, so one of you old-timers will need to help him with it...sorry, I should have noticed the mgetty reference. Sheesh, do I feel embarrassed! :-) /silly/Art Dear All, I've only just joined this list, so I don't know if this has been discussed before. I'm using ppp-2.3.3-5 and mgetty-1.1.14-1 to run a one-modem dialup. Everything works just fine until pppd goes to verify the username/password, which always fails with PAP authentication failure for username. I've verified the username/password and they're valid. Can someone give me some pointers on where to look next or what the problem might be? Thanks, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netmeeting via Linux
You have to have a kernel compiled with IP Forwarding and Masquerading enabled (the default for most kernels is _disabled_). Then configure ipfwadm (in /etc/init.d/netbase), see man 8 ipfwadm. On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 12:14:25PM +0800, Paul Guidera wrote: Can anyone please point me in the right direction to getting my Debian/Linux box, set up with ipfwadm for Masquerading to allowing traffic for Netmeeting thru from Windows boxes on my internal network? Like a /sbin/modprobe/netmeeting or somthing? :) Regards, Paul -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x-fer /home to new drive?!
This should be relatively easy... Partition the drive with fdisk (cfdisk or whatever) under linux. 'fdisk /dev/sda' probably You might want to think about putting a swap partition on this new drive also. It _should_ be a noticable improvement if you swap much. You probably do not do a great deal of 'seeking' on the /home partition but your machine does a great deal of seeking to places like '/etc', '/lib', '/usr/lib', the various 'bin', and 'X' directories. With the swap partition on a different drive then swapping should be much faster. In addition I believe that SCSI is much less 'processor' bound than IDE/EIDE (though I am not positive). Make a filesystem (mkfs /dev/whatever the drive is + partition #) Mount the drive temporarily on something like /mnt mount -t ext2 /dev/drive-partition /mnt -rw Now this next one is the one where you will be touching a 'religious' issue. There are (as is usual for Unix/Linux) many different ways to copy your old '/home/*' to the new drive... cp -a /home /mnt you can user 'cpio', 'tar', and even some of the local mirroring programs. The 'cp' command is probably fine _unless_ you have some unusual file storage structure in your home directory (ie: soft or hard links) but this is very unusual for most personal systems. Then 'umount /mnt' (or whatever the temporary mount point was). Would not hurt to temporarily do a mount /dev/drive-partition /home -rw and login as a normal user and just check to see that everything is ok. When you are satisfied then: 'umount /home' (A little parinoia here) 'cd /home' (some more parinoia...) Confirm with 'pwd' that you are in /home. 'rm -f *' Remount the drive on home and finally edit /etc/fstab and add the mount for the new drive onto home with a line something like '/dev/drive-partition /home ext2 defaults 0 2' I seem to remember that only the first drive root should be 'pass 1', all other partition on that drive should be sequential (ie: 2, 3, etc.), and the partitions on other drives should start the sequence over but start at two (so if you made two partitions on your new drive then their pass numbers would be 2 and 3). Besure to look at the manual pages for the commands and aks if in doubt. Hopefully no one will lead you astray but we all make mistakes (at least _this_ we does). On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 12:48:23AM -0500, Ian Keith Setford wrote: Yo- I have had my sytem running on a WD 2.1G for over a year but I just bought a Mylex SCSI card and a WD Enterprise drive. I have everything working fine but now I want to mount /home on its own partition on the new faster drive. What is the best way to accomplish this? Is it even advisable? TIA, -Ian _ Ian K. Setford [EMAIL PROTECTED] H: 940.566.0461 Pgr: 817.901.0255 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recompiling kernel
Hi Gerald; Though I noticed your original posting I did not then comment for it being too much of a 'blind leading the blind' situation. What I did notice is that the lines you quoted: On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 12:25:40AM -0700, G. Crimp wrote: [snip] if hash encaps 2 /dev/null; then \ objdump -k -q -o 0x10 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.30/vmlinux $tmppiggy; \ else \ objcopy -O binary -R .note -R .comment -R .stab -R .stabstr /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.30/vmlinux $tmppiggy; \ fi; \ should work. I am most assuredly not a shell guru but the command 'hash' is a bash internal command. _I_ would expect that shells other than bash should work correctly because the 'hash' command itself would not exist and that would be an error. Under bash, at the command line I tried: bash-2.01$ if hash encaps 2 /dev/null; then echo 'passed' else echo 'failed' fi and got: failed (just 'hash encaps' reports hash: encaps not found) OTOH, IF you have a command called 'hash' in your path then this test could pass. Does a 'which hash' provide a null response? You might want to do a 'locate /hash' also to be more sure. [snip] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet from Windows/NT thru Linux
Correction... I have not found any reference to a configuration tool that would work on my system! I did try 'dotfile ipfwadm' a couple of time but it did not work for me and I have not yet attempted to find out why not. On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 08:01:00AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: Bill Leach wrote: The file '/etc/init.d/netbase' has the commands for setting up you IP-Masquerading. The defaults that I have seen are always to deny. I have looked and not found any reference to a configuration tool so I just added the necessary commands directly to the file. admin/dotfile-ipfwadm_0.23b3-4.deb It's in hamm but it runs OK on bo. -- ...RickM... -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet from Windows/NT thru Linux
Hummm, not sure what to say. Yes, I knew that these were to prevent spoofing and since I could not find any other place where ipfwadm commands were issued, the defaults for ipfwadm appeared to be 'deny' (which of course makes sense). It further seemd to me that /etc/netbase is the logical location for the additional rules. If not, I'd rather like to know why not as well as where they should be placed. On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 12:11:14AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 09:44:56AM -0400, Bill Leach wrote: The file '/etc/init.d/netbase' has the commands for setting up you IP-Masquerading. The defaults that I have seen are always to deny. ^^^ No, they don't. There are some firewall setup commands only: # deny incoming packets pretending to be from 127.0.0.1 ipfwadm -I -d deny -o -P all -S 127.0.0.0/8 -W eth0 -D 0/0 2/dev/null || true ipfwadm -I -d deny -o -P all -S 127.0.0.0/8 -W eth1 -D 0/0 2/dev/null || true ipfwadm -I -i deny -o -P all -S 127.0.0.0/8 -W eth0 -D 0/0 /dev/null ipfwadm -I -i deny -o -P all -S 127.0.0.0/8 -W eth1 -D 0/0 /dev/null There are only these commands, and a few others, to prevent IP spoofing. This seems to be a common misconception. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compiled new Kernel now I can't boot
Hi Keith; I don't remember the 'mapping' for the device numbers now but I think that 03:01 is the first partition on the first IDE drive. Is that really where your root partition is located? If not, then you can patch the correct boot device/partition into the kernel with the 'rdev' command. If you are doing something that allows you to get a 'boot:' prompt then you can just pass the correct root device at boot time and of course if using lilo that can be done automagically. On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 07:55:08AM -0400, Keith wrote: I compiled a new kernel and now I can't boot. It stops with a message like this: Kernel Panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 03:01. I can boot my old kernel from a floppy, so can I fix it or am I screwed? Any help would greatly be appreciated. Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compiling kernel
It is in the package 'bin86' On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 08:36:53PM +0200, Christian Herold wrote: Hi! I've got a problem concerning Debian 1.3.1: I wanted to compile the kernel (2.0.9) and while making zImage, the following error occured: as86 not found Could you please explain me where to get this binary? The only thing I have is 'as' but that doesnt work! Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
I am more than just a little amazed at parts of this thread... The 'Official Debian' position is not only clear it is also the ONLY rational possition given the terms of Debian's own license. Encouraging CD producers to review the licenses in non-free and make their own decisions is sane. As far as 'preclassifying' the 'non-free' software goes, that is an unbelieveably complex task. The nature of the restrictions range from no commercial use (?!) to you may not use this software for anything related to nuclear energy, or munitions, or (fill in the blank). Debian as an organization does not try to interpret beyond the determination of whether the license is DSFG or not (a sensible approach). IT IS TRUE that most of the non-free software is free of licensing requirements for _personal_ use and therefore probably the vast majority of Debian users are actually not restricted. However, inclusion of such software IN the Debian Official Distribution would then impose restrictions on commercial users of Debian not present in the DSFG. As stated in a different way by others, Debian's position on 'non-free' software is appropriate to the Debian DSFG, supportive of the users, and I believe, still very respectful of those developers such as John Bradley that have chosen to make their software effort 'free' for non-commercial use only. As to 'making non-free' CD distributions... Well the CD producers are free to do whatever they believe is proper for their distributions (and be responsible for their decisions). As Scott mentioned and I indicated above, trying to figure out what you can and can not include can be a less than enjoyable experience. As far as King Lee's suggestions about how to move between #1 and #2, again, how and what you are doing with the software affects how it can be distributed (in many cases). I also do not see Alex's point about Debian being so difficult to base a commercial application upon. Debian is more difficult in the sense that a Debian configuration is not as well documented as other distributions so you typical Slackware based book is not much help (true also of much of the LDP work). However, I think that if you were able to compare individual machines and create 'deviation' measurements you would find that most 'bo' boxes were the same in the 'way' that they are configured and that most 'hamm' boxes were even more consistent. Because there _is_ a strong drive within Debian to achieve a consistent configuration mechanism that can deal with all of the various needs that have been encountered, I believe that it _IS_ Debian that will be the best distribution upon which to base a commercial product. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel-package instructions questions
No, follow the kernel-package instructions (though I think that your doing a make dep won't actually hurt anything, you'll just be doing something manually that make-kpkg clean will do anyway). -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sdram and linux
It sounds a lot like memory that is not fast enough (or not enough wait states). It might also be some sort of addressing error that does not show up in Win. Also, did you tell lilo that you have more than 64M of memory? -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EXIM Help
Did you turn off fetchmail's rewrite option? Also you can tell exim: sender_unqualified_hosts = localhost in it's configuration file (see the fetchmail FAQ) -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Mouse Driver
You are probably using debian version 1.3 or earlier and have a ps2 style mouse. Your message is not clear to me but... If you move the mouse when in a console, does a mouse curson appear on the screen? Where did the error message you listed come from? If you received that message when X-Windows was running then the problem can be cleared up several ways. The best being to upgrade to the latest stable release (version 1.3.1r6). You also can type gpm -k in a console and attempt to start X again (it should now work). The kernels have mouse support however during installation there should have been an option to include module support for a ps2 style mouse. If you did not choose that option (and that is the problem) then there are ways to solve the problem (I don't think that you would get the error message you mentioned from that problem however). John Wingfield wrote: I am a new user of Debian Linux. After much guesswork I have managed to install Debian and XFree86 (not provided with the CD). Unfortunately when installing Debian I could not include a mouse driver in the kernal because some a device in use error. As a consequence I cannot use XFree86. Can anyone offer me some advice on how to retrospectively install a mouse driver? John Wingfield -- John Wingfield Committee Member Website Manager British Double Reed Society [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bdrs.demon.co.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help ?
I think that you need the file 'lmemroot.bin' to do the installation (see the intallation text files). Also, please turn off your 'html' mail feature. Regis Hautière wrote: My system(386 with 6Mo of RAM) stop during the installation from the rescue disk after the floppy drive detection. What is going wrong ? Any hardware incompatibility ? How can I make it continue ? Thanks for your help Sincerly. RH. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Mouse Driver
John is probably right (insmod psaux). Where exactly did the 'device in use' message show up? -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netstd_3.03 problem, KDE problem
The 'normal' default for dpkg is --force-overwrite. This is disabled in hamm (frozen) currently to make detection of just the sort of error that you encounted easier to find. Check the bug list and report if it is not already there. You can use dpkg --install --force-overwrite package name or you can go through the 'access' selection again and choose to enable the force overwrite for dselect. Randy Edwards wrote: I'm in the process of updating my hamm system and while installing netstd_3.03-1 I get the following error message: trying to overwrite '/usr/man/man8/ftpd.8.gz', which is also in package wu-ftpd dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Could someone give me a clue as to what's happening and now to fix it? Also, is there a problem with the KDE desktop package? It seems to give some dependency errors but yet I'm working off from the latest listing at ftp.debian.org. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Mouse Driver
After you do the 'insmod' then do o a 'cat /proc/modules' and you should see an entry like: psaux 11 which indicate that the mouse module is indeed loaded and known to the kernel. For gpm to work you need either: /dev/psaux (or /dev/mouse and a link from /dev/mouse to /dev/psaux). [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# gpmconfig Configuring gpm (mouse event server): Current configuration: -m /dev/mouse -t ps2 -r 70 Do you want to change anything (Y/n)? n Listing of /dev/psaux and /dev/mouse: bash-2.01$ ls -l /dev/ps* crw--- 1 root sys 10, 1 Mar 28 16:38 /dev/psaux bash-2.01$ ls -l /dev/mou* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Nov 1 16:53 /dev/mouse - /dev/psaux -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: missing /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout libs
Maybe you just need to remove the symlinks. I notice that my /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout directory is empty (hamm). Randy Edwards wrote: When it rains, it pours! :-) Does anyone know what package contains the various libraries found in /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout? I'm missing these files for some reason and many packages want them! Right now, all I have are some bad symlinks in that subdir. A grep of /var/lib/dpkg/info doesn't show anything and I was wondering what package I'd have to reinstall to get those back. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .xsession
I'm sure I dont' understand your question... 2) Where can I look for documantation about customizing the X windows (not neccesarily the window manager) ? It seems to me that most of the documantation is about the instalation of Xfree86 and the window manager customization. fvwm2 is, of course the window manager but its' documentation include customization of the windows appearing on the x-display so managed. There is PLENTY of documentation about the underlying X system (see xbooks for example) but that is of little use to most people. You might want to install and look at the dotfile generator program. It has documentation about configuring the behaviour and appearance of windows on the x-display (just be prepared to experiment quite a bit). I don't know about question 1 as I have not tried to use that capability but suspect that there is a parameter in fvwm2's configuration that determine if 'out of bounds' geometry gets mapped to the 'current' page or not. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hi im Sandra
Let me start by saying that I have no particular love for AOL. AOL has proven to be a real PITA for me several times (including necessitating my putting together a Windoz box to access one of their accounts for business purposes). However, having said that, I believe that AOL is a 'responsible' ISP and even though they have 'more than their share' of problem accounts it is clear that they do (and have for many years) taken action against abusers on their systems. In addition, I have seen (what I think) is a proportionally large number of email spam messages with an AOL account or source forged into the headers. In addition, I have personally received many messages from AOL concerning abuse reports and while I can not prove the assertions, it certainly looks to me as though AOL does try to prevent abuse of their system. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libc6-dev dependencies
Someone else will correct me if I have not really understood this correctly. As I understand it, the issue is that the kernel header files are pretty volatile but that the overwhelming majority of applications written deal with pretty 'standard' kernel functions. The header files were 'breaking' the compile for application compiled against the newer header when 'extensions' had been added to existing functions. So the header files were severing two groups of people with significantly different needs: The kernel hacker group, needing the header files that exactly correspond to the kernel in use and the applications people that want (and need) a 'stable target'. The 'solution' then, as I understand it, is to periodically choose a specific set of kernel header files as representative of the series. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hi im Sandra
That is probably true but what I am talking about is that their attitude toward abuse reported to them _from outside of AOL_ is also strongly indicative of a responible ISP. I don't have any idea of how many 'new users' AOL gets on a typically day but I am willing to bet that the number is large. I also suspect that a great many of these people 'signing up' for AOL either don't actually read the TOS or believe that it is just 'legalise' to be safetly ignored. If you have just a few people a week that take such an attitude and then use one of the 'miracle email programs', as a sysadm you have your work 'cut out for you'. I am quite sure that AOL and many of the other 'main line' ISPs are using email software that looks for possible abuse (hundreds of or thousands of mailings per session, etc). This stuff is all a lot of trouble (and expense) for the ISP but they are doing it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Bill Leach wrote: : In addition, I have personally received many messages from AOL : concerning abuse reports and while I can not prove the assertions, it : certainly looks to me as though AOL does try to prevent abuse of their : system. Of the national providers, AOL is the most proactive against spam. They offer more anti-spam utilities to their users than any other. -- Nathan Norman -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Missing X file only required for version 332
bash: /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA: unable to exec cannot find file or directory That sounds like it is a bash error report and not an error reported by XF86_SVGA. I am not sure why you are not getting a better message though it might have some to do with the amount of indirection involved in starting the x-server. However, have you checked the ownership and permissions of the replacement server? Is this server linked against libc5 (I think that you are using bo). Which brings up a question about Ossama's suggestions... Same problem in that these would need to be linked against libc5 for a bo system, yes? -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm, X, fvwm2 : newbie questions
With a ps2 style mouse, it is either use gpm for both consoles and X or kill gpm to run X (for whatever reasons they will not co-exist on a ps2 style mouse). I've never seen the advantages of using /dev/gpmdata as I have never had any problems getting my mouse to work correctly in X11. YMMV though. I think not using the gpmdata method makes it simpler anyhow. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimum reqd. files to run X-win on hamm
There are probably better ways to do this (so I'll be watching for other answers too) but you can just do a 'more /var/lib/dpkg/available' and take a look at the 'depends' and 'recommends' sections for 'xbase' and the appropriate 'xserver'. You can also just run dselect. Make sure that it is a 'clean run' (ie: there are no pending actions and you have not done an 'update avail' since the last 'install'). Choose a package such as xbase and write down the required and suggested packages. Accept the ones that are required and repeat this process until no further 'conflict' screens appear. Then you _should_ be able to exit the selection phase with an 'X' and have all of your changes dropped. NOTE: I have NOT done this (or at least not recently enough to be sure that it works as advertised). Basically, to install X you have to have the xbase package, font base and fonts, xlib's, and a server. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Win95 as a terminal
The short answer is 'yes'. One way would be to set up a ppp link on both the windoz box and the linux box (easy on Linux, don't know about windoz). Basically though, I would guess that if you can tell the Windoz dialer to make a connection without it issuing modem command then it should also be easy to do. I suggest that you do some reading. Take a look at the HOWTOs for serial, ppp, and especially NET3. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm, X, fvwm2 : newbie questions
I don't even know 'how far back' this was (bo, rexx?) but I do know that at one time, I had to 'kill' gpm to run X and there was a note somewhere in the gpm stuff about the problem. Really, this has never been a problem for me. The only problem I had with X11 and a ps2 mouse is related to StarOffice4. It freezes when you click on the menus with a ps2 mouse. Stardivision has released a patch now, but I haven't tested it, because I found a Logitech 3-button serial mouse. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install troubles continue
Unless I am misunderstanding something here (easily possible) the only difference between zImage and bzImage kernels is the inclusion of the boot sector code at the beginning of the file. If you use lilo or loadlin then you don't want the bzImage but if you cat or dd the kernel image to a floppy then you do need the bzImage (unless with dd you skip the boot blocks on the floppy of course). : What is true is that Tecras do have no difficulties to boot unpatched : zImage kernels. Bummer. They used to be zImage kernels. Does this mean we have no boot disks with zImage kernels? -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Missing packages in hamm
Humm, I don't see xlib6_ at all. Many of the packages that are 'missing' can be found in: debian/project/orphaned -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install troubles continue
Thanks to Nathan and Scott for the correct information. Though I have used both zImage and bzImage kernels I had forgotten the comments (re bzImage). I also hope that my comments did not cause anyone a problem. The offset mentioned is just a (once handy anyway) means of putting a kernel on a disk that has a boot loader already on it. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Autoup script is dangerous?
As usual YMMV but yes Autoup.sh is safe to run on a running machine. Personnally, I would suggest that you do 'shut everything down' since replacing something as critical as libc might be a bit 'chancy' while you have the possibility of tasks being launched. Janos Bujtar wrote: Hello ! I am going to upgrade from libc5 to libc6 with autoup script on a live machine with bo system (sendmail, apache, etc) ..Is the upgrade this way safe? Thanx in advance! james -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RESC1440.BIN
Well I just copied resc1440.bin to a floppy last night. Did you use?: dd if=resc1440.bin of=/dev/fd0 Mike Santner wrote: I was attempting to install Debian from floppy but the RESC1440.BIN is too large to fit on a 1.44 disk. This seems to make installation impossible. Am I doing something wrong or what? I ended up installing from the hard drive. Other than that, the installation is very easy and straight forward. Thanks, Mike -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RESC1440.BIN
You are right in that it call for an option in the docs (though the option is 'bs=512'). However, I have pretty much always just specified the 'if', 'of' and they work. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Attn: Newbies Re: Random Broken Pipe
I think that it is mostly historical (just about every Unix system since about 1970 has had 'more'). There are some other reasons that are now at least mostly not applicable. For example, 'more' will work on a printing terminal but I believe that 'less' will not. There might be other VDTs that can not use 'less'. Another 'problem' that surely would be rare anymore is that 'less' will use a great deal more memory than 'more' for large files. Take a look at 'zless' too. This nifty pager displays gzipped files too. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more or less Newbies?
The 'bug' mentioned in 'more' when used with man pages is IMHO not a bug. More does 'back-scroll' when viewing man pages because it is not possible to 'back-scroll' a pipe. 'Less' does not 'show' this characteristic behaviour of pipes because less creates its' own buffer containing the entire contents of the pipe. The man pages are run through a filter/formatter and then piped to a pager. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Samba, Passwords PAM -- Help (hamm)
Need help. I set up Samba to let me network a Windoz 3.11 box (yuck) with my main debian Linux machine: Pentium 48MB Kernel version 2.0.30 smbd Version 1.9.16p11 Passwords do not seem to work. If I set /etc/samb.conf so that the various services are 'public' then those services are available and work from either smbclient or the Windoz box. Anything set up to require a password though failes--both ways. Attempting to use smbclient to login to the windoz box also fails. One error message that does baffle me a bit is that I get something like: Server gave us a UID of 100. We gave 1000 with the second UID matching the particular Linux login name. This is probably just a real good example of 'ignorance at work' but I also note that adding a -U login name does not alter the UIDs printed out. Also, the UID '100' makes no sense to me at all. The machine has shadow passwords and PAM installed. PPP seems to work OK with the PAM as does NFS. The notes for Samba (in /usr/doc) mention that this particular Samba IS compiled for PAM support but I can't find anything on how to set it up (plus I am still suspicious about the UID '100' thing). -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt 0.89.1-4 [hamm]
Did you look on a NON-US mirror site? The pgp stuff can not be posted on U.S. based sites because the U.S. Govt. is paranoid that somehow the U.S. defense department will be destroyed if a cryptographic system (available worldwide) is imported into the U.S. and then exported. Norbert Veber wrote: I am just currious as to what happened to the pgp support in this version of mutt? I read the docs, and it says that it is still supported, but it no longer gives me to option to encrypt messages before sending them.. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie setup of ppp
Please everyone! The advice to use minicom or seyon is of course good.
Recognize however that with at least some ISPs that use CHAP, you can be
mislead by the results that you see with a term program.
The problem is that some ISPs are monitoring the port such that a
carriage return (or newline) character wakes up a getty (and thus blocks
ppp until either logoff or timeout).
Thus for some ISPs, there is NO login/username password type
sequence prior to ppp starting up. To connect to this sort of ISP then
one just exits the chat-script after the connect message from the modem
(of course the CHAP secrets file must be set up -- or maybe PAP).
Some common problems...
Enabling the auth /etc/ppp/options in the bo distribution (note that
the default for this is now 'set' and should not be changed in the
options file (for hamm).
NOT disabling auth with noauth in the ppp/providers file
('Auth' makes your machine _require_ your provider to authenticate
itself with you--most will not).
The ppp connection can sometimes not startup if the chat-script exits
too quickly (ie: ppp tries to start before the modem's connect message
has been completely received). I don't remember the fix that I saw for
this but setting the modem's connect report to just be the word
'connect' would probably work (I also don't understand why ppp doesn't
recover from this problem on its' own unless maybe the outgoing ppp data
is forcing the modem to stay in command mode).
--
best,
-bill
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Re: Upgrade...
Yes they are related. Look at the autoup.sh script or the Libc5 - Libc6 upgrade HOWTO. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: New web page: Debian Resources
Chris, nice job! re: http://schwarz.developer.debian.org/ -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mirror problem!
I don't think that what you are getting is exactly a bug in mirror. While not certain about this, I believe that it is a problem experienced by running into the maximum number of ftp users on the mirror's source site. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: newbie setup of ppp Thanks connected (network unreachable)
Ok, I'm sure we can work through this... Your /etc/nsswitch.conf file probably needs to have something like this (this is from the hamm distribution but I believe that bo is similar): # /etc/nsswitch.conf # # Example configuration of GNU Name Service Switch functionality. # Information about this file is available in the `libc6-doc' package. passwd: db files group: db files shadow: db files hosts: files dns networks: files protocols: db files services: db files ethers: db files rpc:db files netgroup: db files /etc/host.conf: order hosts,bind multi on Your ifconfig should look something like this: bash-2.01$ /sbin/ifconfig lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Bcast:127.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3584 Metric:1 RX packets:196 error:0 dropped:0 over:0 frame:0 TX packets:196 error:0 dropped:0 over:0 carrier:0 coll:0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:24:06:CA:E5 inet addr:199.79.129.22 Bcast:199.79.129.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 error:0 dropped:0 over:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 error:0 dropped:0 over:0 carrier:0 coll:0 Interrupt:10 Base address:0x300 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:12.69.65.163 P-t-P:12.69.65.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:15819 error:1 dropped:1 over:0 frame:0 TX packets:12228 error:0 dropped:0 over:0 carrier:0 coll:0 Of course, if you don't have an ethernet card the middle section will not exist. Also, for most situations, the inet addr: numbers will be different for each online session. Your routing table should look something like this (and the default is the important one here--the last entry): bash-2.01$ /sbin/route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 12.69.65.10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 0 0 ppp0 199.79.129.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 6 lo 0.0.0.0 12.69.65.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 57 ppp0 Naturally, you are not likely to be connected to the site 12.69.65.1 -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: crt1.c
This is just a bit of guessing here. It sounds like your messages have to do with trying to compile crt1.o. However, there are lots of other possibilties. It could be that the makefile uses command/syntax not recognized by GNUmake Do you know what the function of crt1.o is? It is possible that this file will not compile under Linux if it is specific to Irix (at least not without some 'porting' effort). Bruce Dobrin wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to compile a tool from Irix, What I'm currently getting is a syntax type error in something called crt1.o checked the source and the original stable release and it is distributed as crt1.o. Does anyone know what this is and where I can get the uncompiled code? Thanks Bruce Dobrin Multi Media Dept. Sony Pictures Imageworks 310-840-8412 -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Moved harddisk
Yes, the first part of what you have done should be correct for a floppy boot system. The entries in /etc/fstab do HAVE to reference the correct device/partitions. If you are using lilo on the boot floppy then that has to be corrected for the new location also. Hunter H Marshall wrote: I have a 1.2.8 system that I boot from floppy. I moved the harddrive from (effectively) /dev/hda to /dev/hdb. I then used rdev to change the boot device and the swap device to their hdb counterparts. Should that have been sufficient? Is there a primary/secondary IDE issue (if I'm saying that right)? What about the /etc/fstab which reference /dev/hda? Thanks hunter -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Unidentified subject!
Well on my hamm system they ARE the same file (hard link): bash-2.01$ ls -li /sbin/mke2fs 19716 -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 17116 Jan 29 12:56 /sbin/mke2fs bash-2.01$ ls -li /sbin/mkfs.ext2 19716 -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 17116 Jan 29 12:56 /sbin/mkfs.ext2 Bob Hilliard wrote: I have assumed that mkfs.ext2 and mke2fs were links to the same file. Apparently they are not: bob:vc-3:bobls -il /sbin/mkfs.ext2 86256 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root17116 Jan 7 21:10 /sbin/mkfs.ext2* bob:vc-3:bobls -il /sbin/mke2fs 86255 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root17116 Jan 7 21:10 /sbin/mke2fs* I believe they are the same file, and should have been installed as links, either hard or symbolic. Is this a bug against e2fsprogs? The mkfs.ext2 man page _is_ a symlink to the mke2fs man page. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: disk partitions (part 3) ... :D
Hi Helmut; I am not really much of an expert in this sort of problem but would like to see if I can help you to have a little better understanding of what is going on with your system (as best as I understand anyway)... The ROM portion of DOS loads and executes the mbr, including accessing the disk drive for the mbr code. Thus for your system to boot, it is necessary for the ROM code to be able to find the files needed by lilo (the files in /boot). The was 'created' as a 'normal' disk and not a 'lba' disk. The ROM code then has to use the 'normal' mode to find the files needed by lilo. If you change the mode to 'lba' then when the ROM code interprets the disk structure information to produce the block numbers that should be used by the drive to seek to the requested files, the resulting numbers are NOT the blocks where the files are actually located. As far as I know the DOS portition of this problem IS not solvable by any practical method other than reformating the disk under DOS with the mode set to LBA. It is actually possible to hand edit the disk structure information used by the DOS based ROM code and I am told that there are people that have done this but it is anything but a trivial task! IF you do not need to have DOS access to this drive (that would include Win95 and OS2) you MIGHT be able to do a 'work around'. First I don't KNOW that this will work and can't quite tell from your posting if you already have indication that it will not... IF the ROM code can load and execute the mbr with the CMOS mode set to LBA then I think that this will work otherwise it is just a waste of your time and effort. My suggestion is: Set the CMOS to LBA for the drive (this BTW is something that I CAN NOT do on my own system -- if a drive on my system was formatted in normal mode then a change to LBA in the CMOS is automatically changed back). Boot your system using a Linux boot floppy (rescue/installation) if you don't have something else. Run lilo (note that if you boot Linux such that your hard disk is NOT the root filesystem (such as is the case with using the rescue/installation disk) then it is necessary to tell lilo where the normal root partition is currently mounted (see the lilo HOWTO or man page) with something like lilo -r /target (assuming of course that you mounted your normal hard disk Linux root filesystem on the rescue disk's ram filesystem on the directory named 'target'). Now AGAIN, I have no idea whether this will work or not. For this to work it is necessary that 1) the ROM code actually will access the disk when there is a mode mismatch and 2) that lilo _uses_ that code to determine what the location of the files that are needed during boot WILL be. I was just going to send this to you privately but I believe that it is better to subject this to critical review of those that know the lilo code as well as the details of exactly how the disk information is used and interpreted by the ROM code. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: LI instead of LILO:
I don't remember the specific meaning of lilo stopping at LI either but as mentioned it is explained in the LILO HOWTO. Answering (at least partially) the question that I think that you are asking... You probably DO NOT need to reinstall. The problem is likely just a lilo configuration problem and should be correctable without starting all over again. One potential proplem however is that your hard disk is 'created' in a CMOS 'normal' mode when it should have been a LBA or 'linear' mode. Do read the LILO documentation, it will be well worth the time invested. A not very detailed explanation of what you need to do is: Boot your Linux system from floppy. If you use the rescue/installation disk then answer the first couple of questions (color console, keyboard) and then hit alt-F2 to go to the extra console. type 'mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /target' (substituting whatever is the correct location for your linux root partition where I have '/dev/hda2') edit (or at least check) the text file /target/etc/lilo.conf. run lilo by typing 'lilo -r /target' Unless told otherwise, lilo assume that its' configuration file is /etc/lilo.conf and that the location for lilo's working files is /boot (which is not the case if you boot from a kernel that uses a ram filesystem or some other partition as the root filesystem). I do not know if lilo's options can get you 'around' the problem where the drive's structure does not match 'normal mode' or 'LBA mode'. Lilo does have an option switch '-l' which says 'generate linear mode addresses' and '-P fix|ignore' which tells lilo to fix or ignore a fouled up structure (ie: translation of head/sector does not yield the correct LBA). -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I need help
I presume that you installed the 'bo' or stable release (ver 1.3.1) and that you installed close to the latest packages... ppp-on and ppp-off were replaced with /usr/bin/pon and /usr/bin/poff. Have you determined if your ISP uses PAP or CHAP? Do you have to login with a 'username' or 'account' and 'password'? Have you tried loggin in with a term program such as miniterm yet? Unfortunately, the HOWTOs were originally write almost exclusively from the standpoint of a Slackware distribution. People using debian, redhat, caldera, unifix, (as far as I know even slackware now), and other distributions are sometime mislead in various ways by the HOWTOs. Debian, in particular differs from the the specifics of the HOWTO. This deviation is not done 'just to be different' and indeed the entire Linux community often eventually adopts the 'debian way'. The debian effort is intended to produce a system that is upgradeable with minimum impact on your configuration (and thus on you!). However, to do that usually requires that the debian distribution does things a little bit differently than some of the other distributions have done things in the past. Unlike DOS and a number of other operating systems, Unix/Linux is pretty famous for allowing users (and system administrators where applicable) to choose many different ways to accomplish a given task. As a practical matter, some restraint must be imposed upon system administration if it is to be possible to produce a package mainenance system that can upgrade packages while retaining the specific configuration that you choose to run. Thus, debian differs a bit from other distributions because alteration that you make to your system should comply with the 'debian way' or future upgrades could fail to properly install (in most of those cases you would have to do your configuration over again). Ivan Ines Rojas wrote: Hi there, I just finish installing and setting my linux box, which wasn't a easy job for a windows user :-) and then I decided to use PPP. I install the module accordingly with the PPP-HOWTO but I'm missing the ppp-on and ppp-off files. I have no idea if I did something wrong, eventhough I didn't do much either. But any ways, my question is: how can I put these files in my system? can I just create them from the scratch using emacs or any editor? if that's so, where can I get the file templates? Please help me, I really want to try linux connected to internet, I've been trying 4 months to setup this machine and right now I just can logon, mess around and type shutdown -r now. I'm starting to feel a little frustrated :-( Thanks a lot. Ivan -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problem
Unless I am hopelessly dense (a distinct possibility) the 1024 cylinder 'limit' is a BIOS/ROM specific issue and that there are now motherboards with BIOS/ROMs that no longer impose that limit (and that this situation has existed for a long enough period of time that virtually all newer machines will not have the problem). I am almost as much an anti-PC hardware bigot as I am an anti-M$ bigot and have been 'flamed' several times (even on this list) for my 'style' of discussing this issue. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 80M Thanks, and new question :)
If you have successfully run autoup.sh then you need to run dselect (though do read the upgrade howto's, etc.). Autoup.sh is designed to get you to the point where deselect CAN do the upgrade. One of the problems is that with the libc5 -- libc6 upgrade many of the things that dselect/dpkg rely upon as a system are interdependent. Thus, the Autoup.sh checks the current status of some very critical packages and then upgrades the packages that are essential for dselect/dpkg to be able to complete the job. When you run dselect you should notice that there will been a large set of groups of packages that will be the catagory of Updated Available (IIRC the heading title). These are the packages that dselect 'thinks' that should be upgraded on your system (based upon the packages fundamental relationship to linux--ie: essential packages as well as based upon what packages you currently have installed, including packages that you might not have had installed but are now dependencies for such packages) I suggest that you run dselect without making any changes to what dselect has 'decided' that you need (except on the off chance that in dependency resolution dselect has choosen an alternative that you don't care for). Once that has completed then add the development packages (or whatever else) that you want on your system that are not installed. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dpkg thinks my pentium is an i486 ?
I'm not so sure that it doesn't. That is certainly well within the capabilities of make itself... Joost Kooij wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, joost witteveen wrote: [A very interesting and informative expose, thanks Joost!] As it works now (as I understand) the rules makefile effectively tries to make the build independent of the actual machine it is built on. Of course this is great for maintainers who create a binary for distribution. It would also be nice to have an easy way to rebuild a package as user and have the building optimized for the particular machine that the user has. If the rules file could take standard parameters like the cc to use, optimization flags to use, another architecture altogether than the machine on which is built etc., that would be a nifty thing to have. Oh well, Cheers, Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kernel-source-2.0.33
I don't know the answer to that one but one possibility is that the package was present but that the 'Packages' had not yet been replaced. I did not look at the time stamps so I have no idea if that could possibly have been the problem but only that during 'archive maintenance' the various 'Packages' files could be 'out of sync' with what is actually present in the areas that the file cover. In the future, even if that was not the problem this time, you might want to take a look in the root of the debian tree to see if the zero length file Archive-Maintenance' is present. When that file is present there is a possibility that either a package that is present will not be listed in the package file or that there will be files listed that are not in the archive. I was using ftp.debian.org for the ftp setting on dselect but all it found was 2.0.29 and 2.0.30 kernel-source packages.why didn't it find the 2.0.33 you list above? -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Activate Lilo
FIRST--READ the Linux-Win95 HOWTOs!! I do have, nor have I ever had Win95 on any machine that I own or control however... When you re-installed Win95, it appears that Win95 rewrote the mbr (Master Boot Record) on your hard disk. This means that the code that lilo installed there was 'blown away' by Win95. You can replace this code by booting from the rescue or installation disk, or a maintenance disk (if you produced one). I am a bit reluctant to give you the following because by my NOT having read the above mentioned HOWTOs I could be telling you something that will work for lilo but still be the wrong thing for you to do. So again, I caution you that you if you do what I am describing without confirming that the HOWTO that address the Win95/Linux coexistance say that this is an OK thing to do then you are making a mistake... After answering the first couple of questions (if using the rescue/ installation disk--ie: color monitor, keyboard), then hit alt-F2 to go to the second console. Type 'mount -t ext2 /dev/hdaX /target' (note that /dev/hdaX is the drive and partition where your Linux root partition is located. If Win95 was re-installed to the same partition that it was on when you installed Linux then your /etc/lilo.conf file should still be correct. Type 'lilo -t -r /target' This will cause lilo to use your Linux hard disk installation's file (the -r /target) and the -t will cause lilo to process the files WITHOUT making any changes. If there are errors however, lilo with tell you about them. If there are no errors, then type: 'lilo -S -r /target' and lilo will rewrite the mbr. The '-S' is to tell lilo to save the current mbr even though there is a saved mbr already. You normally would never use this option to lilo except for the situation that you currently have. Abou Anber wrote: Dear Sir : First I have windows 95 system and I installed Debian system. After I installed debian system I can choose through lilo which system I want start. After some time Some problem was occured in windows 95, which make me reinstall windows 95 again. At that time lilo don't work. How can I activate it. or How can I choose between windows 95 and Linux. Many thanks Abou ANber -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Thanks :)
Pine is clearly one of the better documented programs in the world of computing. If you press the '?' key from almost anywhere other than when in 'compose' then pine gives you help. As Remco mentioned the 'h' command is the one that you want to toggle between 'all headers' and 'normal headers'. However, in all of the recent distributions of pine that I have seen recently, this command is disabled by default. So to enable 'toggling header display', from the main menu type: 's', then 'c', scroll down a couple of screenfulls until you see: '[ ] enable-full-header-cmd', with that entry highlighted, press 'x'. Then press 'e' answer the 'save/cancle' question. When any of the entries is highlighted, pressing '?' will give you a help explanation. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Help with ftp
In ftp: mget * However, if you are running Linux on anything then I strongly suggest that you get one of the mirror programs so that dates and symlink are preserved. mget * will copy symlinks by copying the files. So, for example the 6 meg+ kernel source packages will appear multiple times in your destination directory tree! -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 80 MB ram in debian system
From the xconf menu: CONFIG_MAX_16M This is for some buggy motherboards which cannot properly deal with the memory above 16M. If you have more than 16MB of RAM and experience weird problems, you might want to try Y, everyone else says N. Note for machines with more that (sic) 64MB of RAM: in order for the kernel to be able to use the memory above 64 MB, pass the command line option mem-xxxM (where xxx is the memory size in megabytes) to your kernel during boot time. See the documentation of your boot loader (lilo or loadlin) about how to pass options to the kernel. The lilo procedure is also explained in the SCSI-HOWTO, available via ftp (user: anonymous) in sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO. You also need at least 512KB of RAM cache if you have more than 64MB of RAM. Some other things to try when experiencing seemingly random, 'weird' proplems: 1)passing the 'no-hlt' option to the kernel 2)passing the 'no-387' option to the kernel 3)passing the 'mem=4m' option to the kernel (thereby disabling all but the first 4M of RAM) 4) disabling the cache from you BIOS settings 5) exchanging RAM chips 6) exchanging the motherboard. Russ Cook wrote: Hi All, This weekend, I added some ram to my system. I now have two 32 MB simms, and two 8 MB simms, giving me a total of 80 MB of ram. My bios recognizes all ram at bootup, but Linux only recognizes 64 MB. I think this has been addressed here before, something about a line added to lilo.conf. But, I don't remember the solution. Could someone repeat it for me? Thanks very much. Russ Russell Cook, Engineering Branch WSR-88D Operational Support Facility (405)366-6520 x4237 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: trouble with the boot-block..
All this makes sense, of course. What I don't understand is how something got written to the MBR and why my floppy drive is ignored now. To clear my SCSI drives 1 and 3, I'll have to do a low-level format. From an earlier message, I gathered that you DID tell the installation program to install lilo at least during one installation attempt. If you did that then lilo installed the lilo boot loader code in the MBR. When lilo does this, it creates some files in /boot/ directory including a copy of the original boot block. Lilo csn then later be told to 'remove itself' and replace the original boot code. However, in your case, you re-attempted initial installation which 'wipes out' the files saved by lilo. Thus, there is no longer any way for lilo to restore the original boot code since it really does not exist. So even if the installation code authors examined the drive to look for a previous installation of lilo, there is no way that they could 'uninstall' it anyway. In addition, many people have multiple installation of Linux on the same machine (I usually have two or three myself). It would be a _real_ disaster for me if lilo removed the lilo boot code when I did a second or third linux installation. I am at a complete loss as to what linux could possibly have done to make your floppy be ignored. As far as I know, recognizing and booting from your floppy is an activity that takes place long before ANY linux code is loaded and executed (you do have the CMOS set for A: then C: and not the otherway around, yes?) Actual low-level formatting of scsi drives is a pretty unusual activity. Drives vary between just plain ignoring the command, immediately returning an operation complete response, running a bad block scan, to actually DOING a low level format. Many scsi drives actually can not be low level formated without special (manufacture specific) software. As I think I mentioned to Jean Pierre, my knowledge of DOS could be stuffed into a thimble. At any rate, DOS is gone, and /dev/fd0 is useless. (I just knew there was something I liked about you!) Last night I catenated /target/etc/lilo.conf to stdout and saw something like what you've got below. But it didn't do much good because I'm not familiar with the file. Also, didn't find anything in the boot that came with v1.3. Can you tell me what to edit to what to get rid of lilo from the master boot rec? Short of the DOS FDISK/mbr I don't know of anything (simple) that you can do to get rid of lilo at this point. You can edit /etc/lilo.conf so that it looks something like this: boot = /dev/sda prompt timeout = 50 compact delay = 20 install = /boot/boot.b map = /boot/map vga = normal image = /vmlinuz root = /dev/sda3 label = Linux read-only other=/dev/sda1 table = /dev/sda label = DOS Substitute your drive designation for 'boot = /dev/sda' (but I think that is correct for your system. Substitute your drive/partition designation for 'root = /dev/sda3' of your (attempted) linux installation. Substitute your drive/partition disignation for 'other=dev/sda1' for the location of your DOS partition (if you have one). I think but am not positive that the 'table = /dev/sda' has to point to the drive that contains the linux root filesystem (regardless of where the dos partition is located). After editing that file (/etc/lilo.conf) then run lilo itself: lilo -t -r /target The '-t' tells lilo to just tell you what it wants to do but not to change anything. A '-v' tells lilo to be somewhat verbose. The '-r /target' tells lilo to the directory '/target' as the 'root' for its' operations (otherwise lilo would want to modify the ram filesystem which would be a bit useless). This should give you an output like: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/wrl# lilo -q -t Linux * DOS If you use the '-v' option then it might look something like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/wrl# lilo -v -q LILO version 20, Copyright 1992-1997 Werner Almesberger Reading boot sector from /dev/hda Global settings: Delay before booting: 2.0 seconds Command-line timeout: 5.0 seconds Always enter boot prompt Serial line access is disabled No message for boot prompt No default boot command line Images: Linux * No password Boot command-line won't be locked No single-key activation VGA mode: 9 (0x0009) Kernel is loaded high, at 0x0010 No initial RAM disk No fallback Options: ro root=304 DOS No password Boot command-line won't be locked No single-key activation No fallback (Your lilo version is probably different than mine so the message may well not be an exact match. If what you get does look pretty much like the above (and in particular lilo does not report any errors) then type: lilo -r /target Lilo should then correctly install itself but remember the
Re: .deb installation
This really should be: dpkg -i pathname/filename1.deb ... pathname/filenameX.deb (or cd to pathname first). Ben Pfaff wrote: How can i install the both packages in Linux with the other hard disk partition mounted or how can install the packages from floppies? dpkg -i FILENAME1.deb FILENAME2.deb -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bounced mail from debian-user list (?)
Thanks for your posting!! I also just now received a bunch of 'returned mail messages' for messages that I have posted to the debian-users list and have already been sent to my mail account from debian-users. In my case the specific postings for which the 'returned' messages were sent were posted directly to an ISP using netscape mail. I have not made any changes to netscape for months so I suspect that there has been some change made at concentric.net and your posting furthers that suspicion. -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kernel-source-2.0.33
For the 'bo' distribution (1.3.1r6) look in: ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/bo-updates/ For hamm look in: ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-all/devel/ or: ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-i386/devel/ or for that matter: ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-m68k/devel/ (the latter two are symbolic links to the copy in 'binary-all'. Henry Hollenberg wrote: I found the kernel source package for 2.0.33 on the debian web page search engine but can't seem to find it with dselect. Anybody know how? Henry Hollenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: trouble with the boot-block..
The install and rescue floppies are indeed supposed to use the ramfs. Obviously the install floppy has to since at least most of the time there will be no other linux filesystem available. However, the rescue floppy does also because it has to be able to boot fully even if the root partition is corrupt (and allow you to attempt to repair same). So a boot floppy is yet a different critter and contains a kernel that has been patched (with rdev) to have your normal root partition set. When you boot the installation disks and answer the first few questions (color monitor, keyboard, etc), the hit an alt-F2 to access the second console. type 'mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /target [replacing /dev/hda1 with whatever is appropriate for your configuration of course] Lilo can remove lilo but the installation disks do not 'know' that lilo was previously installed and thus take no action when you choose not to use lilo--so yes, if you installed lilo and did not do something like fdisk/mbr is DOS or explicitly replace the boot record using the lilo command then lilo is still present. A lilo config file looks something like this: bash-2.01$ cat /etc/lilo.conf boot = /dev/hda - disk to boot from prompt - prompt for boot choices during boot timeout = 50 - continue boot with default if no response compact - kernel is compressed install = /boot/boot.b - location of the boot code map = /boot/map - location of the system map file vga = normal - vga display mode to use delay = 20 - i don't remember image = /vmlinuz - name location of the linux kernel to load root = /dev/hda4 - system root device to use label = Linux - name for this instance of system read-only - always initially mount root read only vga = 9 - vga mode to use for this instance image = /vmlinuz.old - last kernel root = /dev/hda4 label = bklinux read-only vga = 9 image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.27 - a linux bo distribution system. root = /dev/hdb3 label = olinux read-only vga = 9 image = /vmlinuz.test - a linux testing partition root = /dev/hdb5 label = test read-only vga = 9 other=/dev/hda1 - an non-linux system table = /dev/hda - location of drive structure label = DOS - instance lable (and it is MSDOS) The lilo documentation is extensive and probably the about the best documentation in the entire Linux project but you do need to study it rather carefully if you want to be able to handle everything without problems. Most things can be given 'defaults' in the general section (the section before the first image = line and then overridden in the individual sections. Gary Kline wrote: According to Jean Pierre LeJacq: On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Gary Kline wrote: According to Jean Pierre LeJacq: On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Gary Kline wrote: However, after installing Debian on my first and third SCSI drives and *not* using LILO as the boot manager, I found that I __always__ boot into Debian, into a RAM file system. After re-installing both OS's from scratch several times I've come to the conclusion that something is causing the master boot track to always throw me into the re-install RAM-fs of Linux. Are you booting from the rescue floppy disk. If yes, then indeed you will be using the RAM-fs. You can either use the boot floppy disk or LILO installed on the hard disk. Both the hard drive and the rescue floppy throw me into the RAM-fs. (In fact, trying to re-install FreeBSD from its floppy disk is impossible.) Does the same thing happen when booting from your boot floppy? Did you install LILO on the harddisk? If so, send me the /etc/lilo.conf. Yes, once I did install LILO to my harddisk; then I brought up the menu again and chose ``NO'' when asked. Evidently, once the loader installs, it's forever! I'll have to check /etc/lilo.conf (if I can get to it) tonight my time. Last night I poked around using the ash shell but couldn't make much sense of the fs layout. Would lilo.conf perhaps be in /target/etc/lilo.conf? BTW, this (Debian + FBSD) is on a separate box. Not yet linked to the rest of the world... . gary -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL
Re: Bad blocks
Normally you would boot from a rescue floppy for such maintenance
activities and mount your filesystem read only. I haven't had to do
this in a long time but it also seems to me that you can boot to single
user and remount root as read only.
FizzyPop wrote:
I keep getting {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }'s and I
figure
it's all bad blocks. I ran fsck /dev/hda2 but it only seems to do a
cursory examination (not taking nearly as long as the scan when I installed
Linux) and I keep getting the same errors after presumably correcting them.
So I was wondering what the utility was to thouroughly check all of the HD
for errors.
Also, I've been told not to run disk checks while the HD is mounted,
how
can I load linux sans mounting the HD? does it work if I boot from a
floppy?
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Re: Memory Usage Reports
This certainly isn't any sort of answer to your question but does anyone know of hand if Linux frees shared code (libraries, maybe fonts) as soon as there is no code using it or does it wait until the memory is actually needed). i did look through some of the loader code and discussions about Linux memory management but it was not for this reason and it was quite some time ago... tony mollica wrote: Thanks for the reply. One other question I have isat what point does linux remove a program or its parts from memory after you have unloaded (closed) the programs in order to make use of that memory for other programs? Do you know where I can find more information on this? I haven't been able to find any info with any detail. thanks, -- tony mollica [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best, -bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] from a 1996 Micro$loth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want Micro$oft! See! They do get some things right! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
